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00:01:50 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:04:30 *** ttdopen is now known as PierreW 00:06:52 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 00:08:29 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest328 00:08:31 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 00:13:49 *** Guest328 [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:14:17 *** worldemar [~world@213.178.46.109] has joined #openttd 00:14:51 *** joepie91 [~s@cadart.demon.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:30:36 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:32:57 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7659F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:27 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75017.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:35:46 *** robotboy\ [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 00:37:26 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 00:58:50 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485CB88.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:02:42 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C024.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:11:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r15404 /trunk/src/yapf/yapf_node.hpp: -Cleanup [YAPF]: A tiny bit of const correctness. 01:14:29 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... am i feeling adventurous enough to install a new graphics driver? 01:17:43 <Rubidium> on OSX? 01:18:01 <Eddi|zuHause> on openSUSE, with an ATI card 01:18:51 <Rubidium> can't say anything sensible about either 01:19:14 <Rubidium> the last ATI I had was like two renumberings ago (5 years) 01:19:35 <Eddi|zuHause> well, the card is as old as that 01:19:45 <Eddi|zuHause> but the driver gets hopefully improved over time 01:22:12 <Eddi|zuHause> the driver i have installed is 8.something, the current driver is 9.1 01:22:30 *** KAYSENESCAL [~KAYSENESC@202.pool80-103-65.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #openttd 01:22:56 <KAYSENESCAL> it is work? 01:23:15 <Eddi|zuHause> no, it is pleasure 01:23:23 <Rubidium> yes it is work 01:23:35 <KAYSENESCAL> thx 01:24:09 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:26:26 *** KAYSENESCAL [~KAYSENESC@202.pool80-103-65.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [] 01:27:18 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-183-149.popl.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 01:27:29 <Sacro> tf? 01:27:47 <Eddi|zuHause> someone should forbid kids to play with IRC at 2:30AM 01:28:35 <goodger> Eddi|zuHause: or people our age who are drunk 01:28:43 <goodger> they have similar mentalities 01:28:49 <Eddi|zuHause> what do you mean "our" age? 01:29:02 <goodger> er 01:29:09 <goodger> the age group encompassing my age and your age 01:29:28 <Eddi|zuHause> you have not a single clue what my actual age is 01:29:45 <goodger> yes I do 01:30:23 <goodger> judging by your behaviour and clarity of speech it is equal to or greater than mine, and since you're alive, it is likely under 95 01:30:29 <goodger> so you're 18-95 01:30:56 <Rubidium> oh yes I do 01:32:03 <Eddi|zuHause> "judging from my behaviour and speech" <- people have been hopelessly fooled by that one already 01:32:15 <Eddi|zuHause> thinking that i was 40-50 when i was 21 01:32:21 <goodger> quite 01:32:33 <goodger> people have been thinking I was in my 30s since I was 12 01:32:46 <goodger> it's been quite annoying, they stop taking me seriously as soon as I reveal my true age 01:33:10 <Eddi|zuHause> there is a simple solution to that problem 01:34:19 <goodger> yes 01:34:25 <goodger> I worked that out at age 12 01:34:31 <goodger> *thumbup* 01:34:34 <el_en> i think i know how old Eddi|zuHause is, so it's quite likely that piece of information has been revealed on this channel in the past. 01:34:45 <goodger> true 01:34:54 <goodger> the minimum bound is now 21, of course 01:35:11 <goodger> so, to reiterate with anti-BloodyMindedGerman phrasing, "people of age 18-95" 01:35:12 <Eddi|zuHause> el_en: yes, i have been giving out clues, but that does not mean that goodger has any ;) 01:35:21 <goodger> ta very much 01:36:03 <Eddi|zuHause> whatever a "ta" is 01:37:31 <goodger> it means "thank you" 01:37:40 <goodger> used sarcastically in this case 01:37:45 <goodger> to mean "up yours!" 01:37:46 <goodger> :P 01:40:30 <Rubidium> HansAffe is broken 01:41:47 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g230236036.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbierbar] 01:50:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15405 /3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel/ (sqapi.cpp sqvm.cpp sqvm.h): [Squirrel] -Add: framework for 'taxing' opcodes from outside the VM. 01:52:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15406 /trunk/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): -Fix: make Valuate actually cost a few opcodes to not make it a single opcode method of doing lots of the same thing. This should resolve most of the hiccups caused by AIs. 01:56:45 *** Zorni [~zorn@e177227231.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 02:01:55 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-227-237.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:02:08 *** davis- [~iloveme@p5B28D573.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:04:13 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177113058.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:15:49 <Eddi|zuHause> someone pray for me... 02:15:52 <Eddi|zuHause> or something 02:16:31 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75017.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:16:38 <goodger> wtf 02:20:08 <Sacro> Ed... 02:20:15 <Sacro> I don't think he's ever left 02:20:59 <Sacro> HELP 02:21:02 * Sacro shudders 02:24:35 <goodger> he leaves all the time ¬.¬ 02:24:41 <Sacro> no he doesn't 02:24:46 <Sacro> there's always one or two spares 02:25:00 <goodger> ... 02:25:08 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-27.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 02:26:53 *** tkjacobsen_ 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joined #openttd 09:51:16 *** OsteHovel^EEE [~OsteHovel@89.8.39.146] has joined #openttd 09:57:10 <OsteHovel^EEE> Hi Everybody 10:02:08 <Alberth> most people are still asleep, it seems 10:03:37 <OsteHovel^EEE> It seems so... 10:03:50 * OsteHovel^EEE is compilling the newest SVN 10:14:04 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g230236036.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:14:59 <Alberth> I have switched to HG some time ago, much better for local dev and patching 10:17:10 * Alberth looking at the Wiki to find how to make one-way roads 10:17:53 <OsteHovel^EEE> Alberth, first you build a road and then you place the one-way thing... 10:18:08 *** OsteHovel^EEE [~OsteHovel@89.8.39.146] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:30:02 *** OsteHovel^EEE [~OsteHovel@82.147.35.66] has joined #openttd 10:33:55 *** joepie91 [~s@cadart.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 10:37:16 <OsteHovel^EEE> i used 3 minutes and 15 secound's on a linux compile 10:37:20 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80171.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:37:27 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:37:36 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r15407 /trunk/src/saveload/saveload.cpp: -Codechange: When loading a save game with an invalid pool index, report the problem (invalid index) rather than an impossible symptom (too many items), and report it in game instead of causing a crash. 10:37:55 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 10:38:04 *** Spoons [faux@molotov.compsoc.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 10:38:30 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80171.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:38:33 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:44:58 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad87cdb.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:45:02 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad103c1.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 10:45:37 *** OsteHovel_EEE [~OsteHovel@82.147.35.66] has joined #openttd 10:46:47 *** OsteHovel^EEE [~OsteHovel@82.147.35.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:47:03 <OsteHovel_EEE> my record for compile is 2 minutes(i compile allegro, sdl, zlib, png, freetype, network and all the other stuff) 10:47:12 <OsteHovel_EEE> using DistCC 10:48:22 <OsteHovel_EEE> !bananas 10:48:29 <OsteHovel_EEE> bananas 10:48:51 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 10:49:26 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:51:01 *** dodo [~dodo@193.43.249.169] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:51:22 *** kafyfodu [~kafyfodu@193.43.249.169] has joined #openttd 10:51:51 <Alberth> did you try parallel build with 'make -j2' (or a higher number) yet? 10:52:30 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 10:52:52 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [] 10:53:20 <Alberth> my town roads cannot handle all the goods trucks :) 10:58:02 <OsteHovel_EEE> i use make -j8 :P 10:58:11 <OsteHovel_EEE> becouse i used 3 pc during the last build 10:58:27 <OsteHovel_EEE> when i build with all the 4 pc's i have at home i use make -j12 :D 10:58:49 *** energetic [~opera@ip82-139-119-221.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 10:59:44 *** OsteHovel_EEE [~OsteHovel@82.147.35.66] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:07:06 *** kafyfodu [~kafyfodu@193.43.249.169] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:08:10 *** cucuko [~cucuko@193.43.249.169] has joined #openttd 11:12:09 *** smeding [~smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 11:12:47 *** smeding [~smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has quit [] 11:12:53 *** smeding [~smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 11:14:28 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 11:30:47 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:35:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Yexo * r15408 /trunk/src/ai/api/ai_controller.cpp: -Fix (r15027): AIs could call AIController::Sleep() at times they're not allowed to sleep. 11:41:09 <petern> 2 minutes? my record was 18 seconds. on one cpu... 11:49:22 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 11:53:34 *** Tim-itry [~Tim@p5B37E024.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:54:25 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:55:51 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest392 11:55:54 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 11:59:26 *** Guest392 [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:02:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r15409 /trunk/src/ (44 files in 3 dirs): 12:02:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: Currencies 12:02:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Remove intermediate currency "New Turkish lira". 12:02:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Add Euro introduction date for Slovakia. 12:02:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Remove Euro introduction date for Hungary. 12:03:00 <thingwath> nice patch. :o) 12:04:09 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 12:05:00 <SmatZ> - { 378, ',', 2010, "", " Ft", 1, STR_CURR_HUF }, ///< hungarian forint 12:05:02 <SmatZ> + { 378, ',', CF_NOEURO, "", " Ft", 1, STR_CURR_HUF }, ///< hungarian forint 12:05:07 <SmatZ> 8-) 12:05:43 <SmatZ> how politics' plans are failing... 12:05:54 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-234-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 12:06:05 <Wolf01> hello 12:06:09 <thingwath> wonderful :-D 12:06:25 <SmatZ> hello Wolf01 12:06:45 <SmatZ> (not talking about CZK, we don't have any plans yet ;) 12:06:51 <SmatZ> *real plans 12:08:01 <SmatZ> just the government is funny... the want to keep the criteria for accepting euro even in this crisis 12:08:01 <frosch123> SmatZ: between 2012 and 2019 says my wikipedia :) depending on who you ask 12:08:03 <Wolf01> gah... and now what font I was using on irc? 12:08:07 <thingwath> the real plan is not to introduce euro anytime soon, so we don't have to admit our economy would not meet the criteria ;) 12:08:18 <SmatZ> what means the government doesn't spend much money for helping the economy... 12:08:33 <SmatZ> :-) 12:09:02 <thingwath> I would rather trust our prime minister than wikipedie (well, not really, just for this particular case :o)) 12:09:11 <SmatZ> hehe :) 12:10:08 <Wolf01> I think is better I install office first, maybe the font was there 12:10:12 <SmatZ> and I think the criteria could be loosed when it's now much harder to keep them 12:10:14 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:10:45 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 12:10:48 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 12:10:50 <SmatZ> (not that I wanted Euro, I don't mind) 12:10:53 <SmatZ> hello Belugas 12:10:56 <Wolf01> welcome back Belugas 12:21:58 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@silver.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 12:21:59 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 12:22:01 <Darkvater> ola :) 12:22:36 <Wolf01> hi DV :) 12:22:46 <Rexxie> its the one they call Darkvater! 12:23:23 <Darkvater> guys I really have a noob problem :P. I downloaded openGFX through bananas, but now openttd defaults to it... How do I turn this off? 12:23:36 * Darkvater is ashamed he cannot figure out how to do this 12:23:54 <Yexo> petern made a nice option for that in the game options window 12:23:58 <frosch123> Darkvater: look into game options 12:24:22 <Darkvater> yes, changing the resolution helps :P 12:25:23 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.117] has joined #openttd 12:25:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15410 /trunk/ (83 files in 8 dirs): -Cleanup: get rid of most of the references to the 'patches' except where it's used for backward compatability. 12:26:02 <Eddi|zuHause> so... what's the "patch" command called now? 12:26:13 <Darkvater> cause in the past I added opengfx as a static configuration but it's nowhere to be seen in the config file...puzzling 12:26:30 <Rubidium> Darkvater: graphicsset 12:26:50 <Darkvater> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=758475#p758475 12:26:55 <Darkvater> Rubidium: thanks, jsut found it 12:27:03 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: for backward compatability 'patch' or 'setting' 12:27:37 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd have preferred "set" 12:27:39 <Darkvater> is it reasonable to say that opengfx will override the original graphics? I guess so from a legal point of view but confusing 12:27:47 <Darkvater> and I get confused.... :P 12:27:47 <Eddi|zuHause> "set <variable> <value>" 12:28:23 <Yexo> Darkvater: if you have r15389 or later you can change graphic sets via the game options window 12:28:25 <Eddi|zuHause> Darkvater: from the recent amount of "bug"-reports, i guess it should not. 12:28:34 <Rubidium> Darkvater: it only overrides because it gets found earlier (IIRC) 12:28:44 <Darkvater> Yexo: evil, i only have 15361 :) 12:29:22 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: but why is the original graphics set not stored in the config file before opengfx was downloaded from bananas? 12:29:58 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: because it's not needed? 12:30:27 <Eddi|zuHause> would solve the whole "found first" issue 12:31:14 <Eddi|zuHause> it would be "found first" on the very first startup (without config) 12:31:25 <Eddi|zuHause> and any subsequently downloaded graphics set must be activated manually 12:31:44 <Darkvater> he, did you guys look at the output of -h lately? 12:31:46 <Darkvater> http://www.liacs.nl/~tfarago/openttd_h.jpg 12:32:14 <Rubidium> yup, we're forbidden to see the output of -h too ;) 12:32:26 <Darkvater> I think it's always bad practice to override existing settings without notification or just by downloading 12:32:34 <Darkvater> Rubidium: refresh 12:32:51 <Darkvater> it's a bit... big :) 12:33:30 <Darkvater> Eddi|zuHause: I like that idea 12:35:10 <Darkvater> either way, opengfx should not default for on while even the intro game has black boxes 12:35:31 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn12-192.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:37:13 <Darkvater> oh and one more question: I get the corrupted bla bla grf error message. Now I know why that is and I'm well aware; is there some way to silence that msg box 12:37:47 <Rubidium> changing a few lines of code will do that 12:38:10 <Darkvater> hihi, I know :) 12:38:15 <Darkvater> but then I can't download nightlies anymore 12:38:20 <petern> yeah, by ought to make the description shorter :p 12:39:05 <Darkvater> you are probably asking why on earth would this guy even need a nightly? He is supposed to have a permanent checkout of openttd :D 12:40:21 <Darkvater> frosch123: the ingame changing possibility is good :) 12:40:58 <petern> Eddi|zuHause, that should happen now 12:41:02 <petern> i think 12:41:02 <frosch123> ehh, it's petern's 12:41:03 <SmatZ> Darkvater: thank peter ;) 12:41:19 <petern> oh, maybe it just saves the 'no value', heh 12:41:49 <petern> i mainly added the ingame changing to stop the millions of bug reports 12:41:49 <Darkvater> I know I can count on you petern ;) 12:41:57 <petern> clearly Darkvater surpasses them ;) 12:42:19 <petern> i need to get around to removing that custom vehicle name thing 12:42:25 <Darkvater> I know 12:42:34 * Darkvater hides in a corner and starts sobbing quietly 12:42:39 * petern hugs Darkvater 12:42:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15411 /trunk/src/console_cmds.cpp: -Feature(ttette): make 'set' a alias for the setting/patch console command 12:43:11 <petern> :D 12:43:21 <petern> Featurettette 12:43:23 <Darkvater> thanks petern 12:47:18 <Darkvater> I am impressed 12:47:25 <Darkvater> only 30 open bugs on flyspray 12:48:09 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:48:55 <Darkvater> hmm, I think I'll revert to the original trgr1.grf and use the grf version of tahoma fonts to get rid of the error window 12:49:34 <Eddi|zuHause> the low number of bugs is because there was no beta release, so nobody actually finds them ;) 12:50:49 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:50:54 <petern> Darkvater, just enable tahoma via freetype ;) 12:50:57 <Darkvater> you think? 12:51:13 <petern> low number of bugs is partly because nobody bothers reporting them 12:51:31 <petern> and then when they do we don't bother fixing them :D 12:51:37 <Darkvater> petern: yes but for small fonts the replacement is better so if I use it for that purpose anyways, I don't need tahoma :) 12:51:58 <Darkvater> and again, why did this guy bother you with AA not enabled in freetype when he won't use it now? 12:52:01 <Darkvater> hehe 12:52:10 <Darkvater> petern: I like your logic 12:52:41 <petern> 97+104 12:52:42 <petern> er 12:54:04 <petern> you need to use freetype fonts with opengfx, as its own font is, er, not very nice. 12:54:17 <petern> (that was an incidentally, by the way) 12:58:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r15412 /trunk/src/ (engine.cpp engine_func.h settings_gui.cpp variables.h): -Fix: Clearing custom engine names could cause desyncs due to be client-side only; GUI parts of save/load of custom engine names also removed as it was never implemented. 12:58:37 <Wolf01> bbl 12:58:47 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-234-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 12:59:40 <petern> *being 12:59:43 <Rubidium> oh... --VARDEF ;) 13:03:17 <frosch123> nice, no custom names :) next step would be 'original names' language and service intervals per vehicle 13:03:18 <energetic> is there any primer on the graphics system used in ottd? 13:03:39 <energetic> I get lost understanding cpp code when it hits most UI code. 13:04:36 <Alberth> energetic: graphics or windows? 13:04:52 <energetic> sorry, windows system 13:05:01 <Alberth> (there is not really a primer afaik, but I may be able to help you with the windows 13:05:25 <energetic> well, I thought: lets make my first helloworld ottd patch 13:05:50 <energetic> which includes displaying town status in townslist 13:05:59 <energetic> whether or not it is a city. 13:06:31 <energetic> (make tet bold, show "(city)" <-- anything to visualize whether town is city or not 13:06:59 <Alberth> window UI starts with a WindowDesc, that defines the basic GUI settings 13:07:10 <el_en> why does OpenGFX look like a japanese porn movie? 13:07:11 <Darkvater> petern: that's no problem; I don't really like opengfx...it's too depressing 13:07:18 <energetic> so then I stumlbed upon town_gui.cpp -> towndirectorywindow -> onpaint 13:07:34 <energetic> thats where my magic happens, i think. 13:07:37 <Alberth> a show_XXXX() function constructs a Window object 13:07:43 <energetic> k 13:08:03 <Alberth> energetic: window data structures definitions are in window_gui.h 13:08:20 <energetic> but I cant seem to understand where it gets the town name and dumps it into a ui list 13:08:50 <Darkvater> energetic: GetString(t->xy) or something, no? 13:09:06 <Yexo> energetic: in BuildTownList 13:09:08 <Darkvater> or SetDparam(t->id, 0); 13:09:21 <energetic> looks like it is DrawString(2, y, STR_2057, TC_FROMSTRING); 13:09:31 <Yexo> that's where it draws it yes 13:09:40 <energetic> that one is in a foreachtowns loop 13:09:55 <Alberth> energetic: town_gui.cpp, line 268 13:10:25 <Yexo> Alberth: that's the wrong window :p 13:10:51 <energetic> STR_2057->> no clue. Also, i dont work with the same version as u guys do, linenumbers therefore are useles 13:11:04 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-181-203.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 13:11:10 <Yexo> energetic: you can look up those strings in lang/english.txt 13:11:23 <Darkvater> energetic: STR_something is defined in english.txt. You can see that it has some parameters like {TOWN} etc. 13:11:42 <Darkvater> energetic: these are passed to the string runtime through SetParam calls prior to a Drawstring call 13:11:53 <Darkvater> at least... it used to be like that :P 13:11:57 <energetic> ok 13:11:59 <petern> frosch123: you can still rename and reset them individually. that's done by command... 13:12:07 <Alberth> Darkvater: some things never change :) 13:12:16 <energetic> thats usefull, since when I hit definition it shows me 0x205A 13:13:21 <Alberth> energetic: how strings work is described at http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Strings 13:13:34 <energetic> tnx 13:13:35 <Darkvater> fkc 13:13:36 <Darkvater> brb 13:13:39 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@silver.liacs.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:13:46 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Quit: bye] 13:14:04 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 13:15:01 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@silver.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 13:15:01 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 13:15:04 <Darkvater> forgot to screen my session :s 13:15:26 <energetic> hm 13:15:33 <energetic> cant seem to find the magic thing here 13:15:51 <energetic> BuildTownsList() -> no getstring here 13:15:52 <Darkvater> energetic: tell me where you are looking? eg file:line 13:16:16 <energetic> no getstring at all in town_gui.cpp 13:16:33 <Alberth> you never deal with text itself 13:16:37 <energetic> Buildtownlist() Towndirectorywindow town_gui.cpp 13:16:41 <energetic> i know 13:16:46 <energetic> only with placeholders etc 13:16:53 <petern> why are you expecting a getstring? 13:17:03 <energetic> but he has to get a town name somewhere 13:17:11 <Yexo> energetic: DrawString(2, y, STR_2057, TC_FROMSTRING); <- that line draws the town name + population 13:17:41 <petern> you pass the id of the town via SetDParam(), and use an STR_xxxxxxx that expects it 13:17:48 <Darkvater> energetic: towns are in a pointer list in smallvector so you need to go to the drawing code 13:17:55 <Yexo> STR_2057 :{ORANGE}{TOWN}{BLACK} ({COMMA}) <- if you didn't found it yet, first argument is {TOWN} and the second one is {COMMA} 13:17:58 <Darkvater> SetDParam(0, t->index); 13:17:58 <Darkvater> SetDParam(1, t->population); 13:17:58 <Darkvater> DrawString(2, y, STR_2057, TC_FROMSTRING); 13:18:02 <energetic> yesyes 13:19:25 <energetic> ah 13:19:29 <energetic> it indexes on the name 13:19:39 <energetic> not a new, numerical index 13:19:42 <Darkvater> energetic: don't be confused by it, it's magic. {TOWN} in the string function will retrieve the town name from the town id 13:20:26 <energetic> so I am correct: setDParam(0, t->index); just adds the name to the string to be drawn....? 13:20:33 <Darkvater> yes 13:20:38 <energetic> ah 13:20:46 <Alberth> energetic: if you print a StringID with a {TOWN} in it 13:21:08 <Yexo> no, SetDParam sets a value for one of the arguments of the string. STR_2057 happens to contain {TOWN} as first argument 13:21:41 <energetic> ok, and why is {TOWN} not {NAME_TOWN} ? 13:21:48 <Alberth> energetic: the StringID are like the string-constants in printf(), and the SetDParam() are for adding arguments 13:22:12 <energetic> ok 13:22:16 <petern> cos {TOWN} is enough 13:22:19 <Alberth> energetic: history? 13:22:21 <Darkvater> /me loves openttd's string handling :) 13:22:22 <Yexo> energetic: why is it not {NAME_TOWN_FROM_TOWN_ID} ? 13:22:45 <Darkvater> {LANGUAGE_DEPENEDENT_TOWN_NAME_FROM_TOWN_IDENTIFIER_ON_MAP} 13:22:46 <Eddi|zuHause> because it is not {NUMBER_WITH_1000_SEPARATOR_AND_CUSTOM_PREFIX_AND_POSTFIX_CURRENCY} either 13:22:50 <energetic> ah, ok. I got confused here twice by the t->index (which is not an index but a name) 13:22:56 <petern> no 13:22:59 <petern> t->index is an index 13:23:02 <Yexo> t->index is really an index :) 13:23:09 <energetic> yes, but also a town name 13:23:11 <Eddi|zuHause> oh, forgot "_TURNS_RED_WHEN_NEGATIVE" 13:23:12 <Darkvater> energetic: no 13:23:13 <petern> no, it's an index :) 13:23:15 <energetic> err 13:23:32 <Alberth> energetic: {TOWN} means 'print the town name belonging to town <index> 13:23:39 <Darkvater> energetic: it's a number. but when the string system sees {TOWN} it knows that it needs to get the name of the town of that index 13:24:26 <energetic> sigh. 13:24:31 <Alberth> energetic: read the string system wiki 13:24:48 <energetic> i will, thanks :) 13:25:04 <petern> it is confusing when you first see it 13:25:36 <petern> a few times people have no understood it and proposed a replacement (without proposing what the replacement be) 13:25:39 <petern> *not 13:25:44 <energetic> anyways: it just passes the townid to the string subsystem, which is aware of towns and seemingly able to retrieve a town name for an townid (or index) number. 13:25:53 <Darkvater> eureka :) 13:26:04 <petern> yes, it is precisely able to do that because the string in the language file contains {TOWN} 13:26:18 <petern> if it contained {NUM} instead, you'd get the number printed 13:26:39 <energetic> since it gets a {TOWN} thingie, it is happy to do that for me ;) 13:26:45 <petern> @seen belugas 13:26:45 <DorpsGek> petern: belugas was last seen in #openttd 1 day, 10 hours, 33 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <Belugas> bonsoir 13:26:45 <Darkvater> GetStringWithArgs I think it is 13:27:10 <energetic> that is kinda funny 13:27:37 <Darkvater> eh sorry, FormatString 13:28:54 <energetic> so the string susystem actually is aware of what kind of strings to expect and know what to do with it --> it contains all logic for handling lists, too. In this case, it sees {TOWN} and some param number, and thinks: hey, iv got a town and a number, now I will lookup this info myself and pass it back since I have that info 13:29:02 <Alberth> energetic: it is this way so it is easy to handle a lot of different languages 13:29:26 <Alberth> energetic: yes, it is custom designed for the game 13:29:31 <energetic> I fail to see that, But I admit I have not read the wiki article yet. 13:29:56 <energetic> If I still fail to see it when i read it , i will bother u guys again ;P 13:30:05 <Darkvater> you've had your chance :) 13:30:07 <energetic> thanks alot htough 13:30:15 <Alberth> you know where you can find us :) 13:30:21 <energetic> :) 13:30:27 <energetic> anyways 13:30:42 <energetic> it comes from a little frustration that noone seems to know cities actually eist 13:30:50 <energetic> did you guys know it, for instance? 13:30:50 <Darkvater> let me add some more on the fire... is there any ETA to branch off 0.7? 13:31:05 <energetic> *do* 13:31:16 <frosch123> Darkvater: after 0.7 beta 5 :p 13:31:40 <Darkvater> is there any ETA for 0.7b1? :) 13:31:53 <Darkvater> energetic: we look at the source, Luke 13:33:01 <frosch123> bbl 13:33:06 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff451.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:33:13 <Darkvater> I see, evading the question :) 13:34:10 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:34:12 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:34:21 <Darkvater> hi glx 13:34:34 <glx> hello 13:35:30 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-52-118.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #openttd 13:36:09 *** worldemar [~world@213.178.46.109] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:36:14 <Darkvater> brb, my sister just arrived to show off her new motorbik 13:36:15 <Darkvater> e 13:55:50 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 13:58:38 <SmatZ> is anyone here using svnup.sh to update? 14:01:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i never used that one... 14:01:27 <Eddi|zuHause> "svn up" is much easier to type than "./s[tab]" 14:01:30 <SmatZ> hehe :) 14:04:09 <Darkvater> I think that was some Bjarni stuff 14:04:26 *** worldemar [~world@213.178.40.8] has joined #openttd 14:05:32 <SmatZ> # Written by Bjarni 14:05:35 <SmatZ> seems so :-) 14:05:42 <SmatZ> but Bjarni ... 14:05:44 <SmatZ> @seen Bjarni 14:05:44 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 4 weeks, 1 day, 18 hours, 36 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <Bjarni> hi Wolf01 14:05:45 <Darkvater> yes 14:05:55 <Darkvater> say no more; "..." is enough 14:06:32 <SmatZ> I didn't want to say anything bad, just he's gone 14:07:21 <Darkvater> insert matrix quote: "he's been with us since the beginning" 14:07:43 <SmatZ> :o) 14:11:28 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn12-192.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:17:34 <Rubidium> Darkvater: when the known (as per bugs.openttd.org) crashes are fixed? 14:17:39 *** smallfly [~smallfly@p578F1B36.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:18:02 <Sacro> afternoon Darkvater 14:19:44 <Rubidium> excluding anything cargodest related 14:20:28 <Darkvater> Rubidium: ah 14:20:29 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:20:59 <Eddi|zuHause> wasn't there a crash fix earlier today? 14:21:03 <el_en> smallfly: have you started porting? 14:21:07 <Eddi|zuHause> how many crashes can there be ;) 14:21:07 <Rubidium> intended to do it yesterday, but then there came a few bugreports about crashes :( 14:21:47 <Eddi|zuHause> no battle plan ever survived the first contact with the enemy :p 14:24:10 <Rubidium> and it would be nice when someone were capable of implementing the automagic font selection for when your language isn't covered in the sprite font 14:24:33 <Rubidium> ... for OSX 14:25:32 <Darkvater> bjarni! 14:25:38 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:25:39 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 14:25:52 <Rubidium> please... not Bjarni's "solution" 14:26:11 <Tim-itry> "is there any ETA for 0.7b1? :)" 14:26:11 <Tim-itry> "Darkvater: when the known (as per bugs.openttd.org) crashes are fixed?" 14:26:11 <Tim-itry> "excluding anything cargodest related" 14:26:11 <Tim-itry> I hope that doesn't mean that CargoDest will not be in 0.7? :-/ 14:26:41 <Eddi|zuHause> Tim-itry: honestly, chances look very slim currently 14:26:44 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:26:57 *** Tim-itry is now known as Timitry 14:27:09 <Timitry> Hm, too bad :( 14:27:11 <el_en> @seen egladil 14:27:11 <DorpsGek> el_en: egladil was last seen in #openttd 35 weeks, 2 days, 19 hours, 20 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <egladil> lol 14:27:19 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 14:27:58 <Timitry> CargoDest and an auto-seperation patch for vehicles are the only things missing in OpenTTD for me currently, with them it would be already almost perfect ;) 14:28:19 <Darkvater> I can think of a few more :) 14:28:23 <Rubidium> Timitry: once they get included you'll have two other things in that list 14:28:31 <Darkvater> newobjects / newports would rule 14:28:36 <Eddi|zuHause> custom bridge heads 14:28:47 <Darkvater> indeedie 14:28:47 *** fjb [~frank@p5485CB88.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:28:48 <Eddi|zuHause> arbitrary rails on bridges/in tunnels 14:28:58 <fjb> Hello 14:28:58 <Timitry> Sure, but CargoDest was so advanced already... 14:29:11 <Eddi|zuHause> it certainly is advanced, but not finished 14:29:19 <Timitry> And that timetable things is just an addition to that, imo 14:29:20 <Eddi|zuHause> and currently, nobody is finishing it 14:29:21 <Darkvater> celestar had a tunnel system working about 3 years ago already :) 14:29:47 <Rubidium> Darkvater: same way working as cbh I'd reckon 14:30:18 <Darkvater> no it was working perfectly... but back then we were using the new-new-map array 14:30:31 <Darkvater> which..eh.. was kinda disaster 14:30:39 <Sacro> zomg 14:30:43 <Sacro> the new map array LD 14:30:44 <Sacro> XD 14:31:13 <Eddi|zuHause> btw. why is it "disaster" and not "desaster"? 14:31:35 <Sacro> that's how we pronounce it 14:31:54 *** patchie [~sdf@cm-84.211.65.194.getinternet.no] has joined #openttd 14:31:54 *** patch [~sdf@cm-84.211.65.194.getinternet.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:33:01 <Eddi|zuHause> http://dict.leo.org/ende?search=disaster <- it's written with "e" in german 14:34:04 <Rubidium> I reckon is was written as disaster about 1000 years back. Then the Germans changed the spelling to how they pronounced it and the English didn't 14:34:53 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-234-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 14:35:06 <Wolf01> hello again 14:35:18 <el_en> hello Wolf01again 14:35:22 <Eddi|zuHause> "Desaster: Kommt aus dem italienischen "disastro", was "Unstern" bedeutet, also eine Sternenkonstellation, die UnglÃŒck bringt." 14:36:13 <Darkvater> first ever pictures of a working new-map array: 14:36:17 <Darkvater> http://www.liacs.nl/~tfarago/first_compile.png 14:36:22 <Darkvater> http://www.liacs.nl/~tfarago/lighthouses_plus_towers.png 14:36:23 <Wolf01> OMG 14:36:36 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: from 4 years ago :p 14:36:53 <Wolf01> lol 14:37:19 <Darkvater> still called open transport tycoon 14:37:21 <Darkvater> heh 14:38:49 <el_en> even w-ber's lines in the background, that must be old then. 14:40:40 <Darkvater> I lost the original date of the picture but it was somewhere 2004 october 14:42:36 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:43:32 <SmatZ> 8-) 14:44:35 <Darkvater> and I don't even know who this w-ber fellow is 14:45:21 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:45:26 *** worldemar [~world@213.178.40.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:45:49 <Sacro> hey, heir kommt alex 14:47:19 <Eddi|zuHause> almost. 14:53:01 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80171.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:54:51 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8076B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:54:52 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 14:55:24 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:57:36 <Wolf01> nice, zlib not found... I just installed it 14:58:23 <Rubidium> but you didn't install the headers 14:58:29 <Darkvater> Wolf01 vs System: 0-1 14:59:13 <Rubidium> Wolf01: be happy it doesn't "ignore" that and build a binary without zlib 14:59:37 <Wolf01> just skipped 2 lines of the wiki while installing :P 15:00:13 <Darkvater> doesn't everything work correctly if you install openttd-useful? 15:00:58 <Rubidium> for mingw/cygwin it doesn't 15:01:12 <Darkvater> who'd want that ;) 15:01:32 <Rubidium> Wolf01? 15:01:33 <Darkvater> I miss bash sometimes though 15:01:36 <Darkvater> hehe 15:02:01 <Rubidium> people who want to play of win9x? 15:02:26 <Darkvater> didn't that work with msvc2k5? 15:02:28 <Wolf01> I only followed the wiki 15:02:37 <Darkvater> or was the last version to support this 2k3 15:02:40 <Darkvater> can't remember 15:02:55 <Rubidium> I fear 2k3 15:03:02 <Wolf01> ok, trying to compile 15:04:26 <Darkvater> I think I'm ready to do some ottd coding next weekend :) 15:04:29 <Wolf01> make[1]: *** No rule to make target `C:/msys/home/OpenTTD/trunk_b/src/yapf/yapf_ship.cpp', needed by `yapf/yapf_ship.d'. Stop. 15:04:33 * Darkvater feels he's getting addicted again 15:04:40 <Wolf01> ok I moved the folder to D: 15:04:46 <Wolf01> how do I change that? 15:04:53 <Rubidium> ./configure --reconfigure 15:05:01 <Wolf01> ok, thanks 15:05:41 <Wolf01> still C: 15:06:27 <Rubidium> and ./configure without --reconfigure? 15:06:32 <Wolf01> same thing 15:06:44 <Rubidium> if that doesn't help then mingw's screwing with paths I fear 15:07:03 <Rubidium> tried quiting and starting mingw after you moved it? 15:07:14 <Wolf01> strange, I reinstalled all from scratch, the only thing I copied was the ottd checkout folder 15:07:53 <Wolf01> (my system gone tfu this night) 15:08:04 <Rubidium> tfu? 15:08:10 <Wolf01> totally fucked up 15:08:11 <Darkvater> fubar 15:08:11 <Wolf01> :P 15:08:19 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.98.85] has joined #openttd 15:08:37 <Rubidium> oh... so it's not star wars related ;) 15:09:10 <Darkvater> star wars? 15:09:10 <Darkvater> t-fighter unit? 15:09:15 *** worldemar [~world@62.106.119.112] has joined #openttd 15:09:15 <Rubidium> Star Wars: The Force Unleashed 15:09:21 <Darkvater> :) 15:09:22 <Rubidium> second hit (for me) on google 15:09:48 <Wolf01> (and I was playing the force unleashed when it happened, as I'm doing it now) 15:10:57 <Wolf01> (I should not play games while compiling/installing, also if the game is running on the xbox) 15:11:39 <Wolf01> maybe I should delete the checkouts and download them all again 15:15:09 <glx> Wolf01: reconfigure should be enough, but you need to make clean too (to remove dependencies) 15:17:00 <Wolf01> libfreetype is that one for the fonts? do I need it? 15:17:13 <Darkvater> not necessarily 15:17:14 <glx> only if you use a font :) 15:17:32 <Wolf01> ok, I don't need it 15:17:53 <glx> the only "required" lib is zlib 15:23:47 <Wolf01> compiled fine 15:23:56 <Wolf01> 8 minutes :D 15:24:21 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad103c1.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:24:26 <Wolf01> better than before (15 minutes for a full compile) 15:25:30 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff451.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 15:29:12 <Wolf01> hello frosch123 15:30:40 <frosch123> hi Wolf01 :) 15:30:56 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad1d195.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 15:31:21 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:32:42 *** JapaMala [~Japa@117.201.98.85] has joined #openttd 15:35:16 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8076B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:36:56 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80524.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:37:00 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 15:38:14 *** cucuko [~cucuko@193.43.249.169] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:38:19 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.98.85] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:38:35 *** sufe [~sufe@193.43.249.169] has joined #openttd 15:39:16 *** JapaMala is now known as |Japa| 15:45:05 <smallfly> el_en, sorry, i was afk 15:45:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15413 /trunk/src/ (7 files): -Fix [FS#2529/2533]: inconsistencies between station and bridge building w.r.t. tile selection and when the window should be closed. 15:46:31 <smallfly> el_en, now you're afk? 15:46:48 * smallfly slaps el_en a few times 15:46:56 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:47:03 * Rubidium spluts smallfly 15:47:09 <Rubidium> under his thumb 15:47:43 *** JapaMala [~Japa@117.201.98.85] has joined #openttd 15:48:48 <smallfly> Rubidium, any problems? 15:50:52 <Rubidium> yup, there's a smallfly in my room making noise at night 15:51:12 <smallfly> how may i interpret that? (the slaps?) 15:52:02 <Rubidium> *small fly 15:52:44 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.98.85] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:53:51 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.98.85] has joined #openttd 15:56:00 <smallfly> i know what a fly is and i also know about the noise being created by such a one but im interested in the ambiguousness of your sentence. i annoyed you with my c# last night, did i? 15:56:22 <Rubidium> no 15:56:41 <Rubidium> I was hoping you were the physical fly in my room 15:56:57 <smallfly> (because you killed it at night?) 15:57:13 <Rubidium> no, I didn't 15:57:44 *** JapaMala [~Japa@117.201.98.85] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:58:07 <smallfly> sorry, cant follow you. 15:58:19 <Rubidium> but I hoped by splutting this meta fly I killed the real thing... we're IN the matrix after all 15:59:18 <smallfly> ah ok. now it gets a bit clearer :D 15:59:56 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 16:01:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15414 /trunk/src/ (airport_gui.cpp dock_gui.cpp rail_gui.cpp road_gui.cpp): -Codechange: s/delete FindWindowById/DeleteWindowById/ 16:01:18 <smallfly> Rubidium, independent of the programming lng, what to you think of roads 2 tiles broad? wouldt that be easier to program? 16:01:47 <smallfly> (to = do; wouldt = wouldn't) 16:02:18 <Rubidium> not if you want to be able to change road side 16:02:46 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 16:02:51 <smallfly> is this an improvement for a transport game? 16:03:08 <smallfly> (to change the road side) 16:03:19 <Alberth> smallfly: what is wrong with putting two roads next to each other? 16:03:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15415 /trunk/src/ (rail_gui.cpp road_gui.cpp): -Change: close the (station) joiner window when pressing the bulldozer. 16:03:33 <Eddi|zuHause> vehicles change road side when they want to overtake 16:04:12 *** StarLionIsaac [~isaac@user-544388ef.lns4-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:04:25 <smallfly> yeah, but im thinking of the possibility to create more complex road networks, with more lanes, motorways etc. 16:04:59 <Eddi|zuHause> i really suggest you pick easier starting points to dive into the code ;) 16:05:25 <smallfly> this sentence shows exactly what i wanted to point out 16:06:10 <smallfly> this should ne a quite easy starting point. but because of the way ttd is programmed, it isnt. 16:06:54 <Alberth> smallfly: it is not possible to write a program that is easy to extend in all possible directions 16:07:02 <frosch123> then pick simutrans, it is programmed different 16:07:14 <smallfly> dont like simutrans 16:07:34 <frosch123> but maybe it is easily changeable :p 16:07:39 <Alberth> or transport empire, they haven't got roads yet :P 16:07:40 <Rubidium> transport empire! 16:07:57 <smallfly> ;-) 16:08:35 <Eddi|zuHause> or 3DTT, they search for ways to continue the project now, since the court case was won 16:08:51 <frosch123> it was won oO 16:09:00 <smallfly> 3D => not performant enough to handle thousands of mobile objects 16:09:30 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, kinda 16:10:13 <Rubidium> smallfly: start developing your own engine; then you can do everything the way you want 16:10:32 <smallfly> openttd is the best transport simulation out at the moment. 16:10:41 <valhallasw> Eddi|zuHause: they are planning to actually continue 3DTT? :| 16:10:42 <smallfly> i will not be able to program a better one 16:10:57 * Darkvater thinks a random thought ... 16:10:58 <Darkvater> donations 16:11:03 <Eddi|zuHause> valhallasw: last thing i heard was a discussion whether to go open source 16:11:36 <valhallasw> Sieben Jahre zermÃŒrbendes Warten auf ein Endergebnis, und hier ist es: 16:11:37 <valhallasw> Den Beklagten wird untersagt, das Spiel Schiene und Strasse zu veröffentlichen, zu vertreiben, zu vervielfÀltigen. 16:11:46 <frosch123> what a silly discussion. who discussed the author against the rest? 16:12:08 <valhallasw> ? 16:12:28 *** JapaMala [~Japa@117.201.98.85] has joined #openttd 16:13:33 <Eddi|zuHause> valhallasw: the person who sold a development version to UBI Soft that was released under the name of "Schiene und StraÃe" (TTT) is not allowed to do that anymore, so the original developer, who was very pissed about that move, has won his case 16:13:54 <valhallasw> yes, I know 16:15:12 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: it read like the developer was stating he was considering it, but he would first have to clean out all code that was not from him (about 10%), or something 16:15:16 *** xahodo [~xahodo@xahodo.demon.nl] has quit [Quit: Goodbye.] 16:16:54 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.98.85] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:16:54 *** JapaMala is now known as |Japa| 16:17:21 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@p54972C64.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:17:26 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g226156165.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:17:29 <Roujin> hello 16:18:35 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 16:18:39 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:18:42 <Alberth> hello Roujin 16:19:51 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:21:31 <Roujin> I have a peculiar problem when rewriting a little part of Zuu's filter sign list patch 16:21:40 <Roujin> oh, btw 16:21:45 <Roujin> @seen Zuu 16:21:45 <DorpsGek> Roujin: Zuu was last seen in #openttd 6 days, 21 hours, 19 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: <Zuu> If I remember the numbers correct now, many days has gone since then now... :D 16:23:11 <Roujin> anyway, here I go: currently I have something like if (filter_info.case_sensitive) { return strstr(a, b) != NULL } else { return strcasestr(a, b) != NULL} 16:24:28 <petern> uh huh 16:24:36 <Roujin> but since that's not very nice, I wanted to do something like ... CDECL func (..args..) = filter_info.case_sensitive ? strstr : strcasestr; 16:24:47 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g230236036.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:24:47 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 16:24:51 <petern> why? 16:24:54 <Sacro> Roujin: if () ? a : b; 16:24:56 *** joepie91 [~s@cadart.demon.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:25:03 *** Xaroth [~shaman@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:25:18 <Roujin> and then just return func(a, b) != NULL; 16:25:28 <petern> return (filter_info.case_sensitive ? strstr(a, b) : strcasestr(a, b)) != NULL; i suppose 16:25:47 <Darkvater> peter scoes again 16:25:48 <Darkvater> +r 16:26:29 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.98.85] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:26:38 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@p5497262D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:27:08 <Roujin_> hmm...well that's okay for this case I guess :) 16:27:45 <Roujin_> would be ugly if the function were needed multiple times inside the func though :P 16:28:17 <petern> not really, you just functionise that bit, heh 16:28:34 <petern> return func(a, b) != NULL; 16:29:04 <Roujin_> meeeh :P 16:29:19 <Roujin_> stop coming with easy solutions here :P :P 16:29:20 <petern> someptr* func(blah a, blah b) { return foo ? strstr(a, b) : strcasestr(a, b); } 16:29:22 <petern> mayeb 16:29:25 <petern> maybe 16:29:30 <petern> hehe 16:29:44 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 16:29:51 * petern ponders some zombie blasting 16:31:56 <Roujin_> well, I'll do it like you said now, but just fyi, it reported some ugly ambiguity between different definitions of the strstr function x_x 16:32:50 <Roujin_> one const char* strstr(const char*, const char*), and a char * strstr(char*, const char*) that is merely a wrapper with some casts around the first strstr function >_< 16:33:21 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@p54972C64.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:37:15 <Roujin_> hm, I'm starting to like the "Widget focus" stuff Zuu included in his "filter sign list" patch. I find it so annoying that the OSK always pops up if I click on a textbox 16:38:26 <Roujin_> why didn't the OSK come with an advanced setting in the first place (or have I missed it all the time?) - I'm on a normal laptop with a keyboard, I don't need an OSK at all... 16:41:52 <Darkvater> I usually just click on the window where the input is 16:44:01 <Roujin_> But I'm used to clicking on the text box I want to enter something in to get its focus because it's like that in practically all other applications I know ;) 16:44:34 <Darkvater> you've not been brainwashed enough it seems 16:44:43 <Darkvater> Rubidium: please work some more on this guy 16:44:59 <Roujin_> there's not enough saneness left in me to be washed :) 16:45:27 <Darkvater> you need more openttdology 16:49:11 *** smallfly [~smallfly@p578F1B36.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!] 16:53:00 <Eddi|zuHause> <Roujin> but since that's not very nice, I wanted to do something like ... CDECL func (..args..) = filter_info.case_sensitive ? strstr : strcasestr; <- that would totally work in Algol :) 16:54:18 <Eddi|zuHause> you could probably do something like that in python, too 16:54:51 <Eddi|zuHause> but in a less hacky way, you might look into polymorphy for that one 16:55:06 <frosch123> you could also just use function pointers 16:55:29 <Eddi|zuHause> but... function pointers are slow! :p 17:00:14 <Roujin_> well, it works like this in another project I made in c++ 17:00:46 <Roujin_> void (__stdcall *drawSphere)(GLdouble radius, GLint slices, GLint stacks) = (setting == GS_WIRE) ? glutWireSphere : glutSolidSphere; 17:00:58 <Darkvater> I don't think sorting lists is performance-crucial 17:01:15 <Roujin_> filtering :P 17:01:38 <Darkvater> filtering 17:01:52 <Roujin_> good. my work here is done. 17:02:04 <petern> hah 17:02:15 <Roujin_> but seriously, going home now, so see you guys later :) 17:02:21 <petern> you don't remember that time when kudr removed caching from one ;p 17:03:01 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@p5497262D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]] 17:03:09 *** Runr [~Runar@229.14.erx-lhm.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 17:03:49 <Darkvater> obviously I don't :) 17:03:54 <Darkvater> but I was thinking gui-sorting 17:03:55 <Darkvater> not PF 17:05:40 *** karuta [~dunno@p54BB56BC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:05:48 <Eddi|zuHause> void (__stdcall *drawSphere)(GLdouble radius, GLint slices, GLint stacks) = (setting == GS_WIRE) ? glutWireSphere : glutSolidSphere; <- i have big problems parsing that in my mind... 17:06:03 <Eddi|zuHause> looks like a variable declaration with initialisation 17:06:10 <Darkvater> hmm I've downloaded a powerpoint design template but whenever I add a new page the header bg is gone : 17:06:24 <Eddi|zuHause> but then shouldn't one use a typedef? 17:06:34 <Darkvater> no 17:06:44 <Darkvater> your variable is called drawSphere and it's a pointer to a function 17:06:52 <petern> Darkvater, yeah, "- removed unnecessary "optimization" (rebuild and sort engine list on each WE_PAINT)" 17:06:52 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 17:07:19 <Darkvater> petern: oh, heh not good idea on each poaint 17:07:19 <Darkvater> :) 17:07:33 *** StarLionIsaac [~isaac@user-544388ef.lns4-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Gone for an insanity break] 17:07:36 <Eddi|zuHause> but it would look cleaner if you defined the function type separately 17:07:58 <Darkvater> you can typedef within a function if you want 17:08:43 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not saying it is incorrect 17:08:51 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm saying it is difficult to read 17:29:21 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeji126.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 17:42:03 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-17-55.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 17:43:27 <Rubidium> petern: any particular reason why r15412 removes the road side dropdown handling? 17:46:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15416 /trunk/src/settings_gui.cpp: -Fix (r15412): revert the removal of the road side drop down box handling. 17:47:56 <goodger> let the edit war commence 17:49:23 <Alberth> Rubidium: you are really good in breaking things, you even managed to break some of my test code not intended to become part of a patch :P 17:56:52 *** goodger [~ben@host81-152-233-2.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: +++ Out Of Channel Error +++] 17:59:57 <petern> Rubidium: thanks 18:00:10 *** SmatZ is now known as Guest434 18:00:12 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 18:00:30 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:05:20 <petern> i'll blame MSVC 18:10:37 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 18:11:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r15417 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: Add default rail type labels and support for per-GRF translation table. 18:11:33 <Eddi|zuHause> :o 18:12:32 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g226156165.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:12:32 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226156165.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:12:32 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 18:15:14 <petern> what? 18:15:22 <Eddi|zuHause> nothing. 18:15:33 <petern> i had problems merging in hg 18:15:41 <petern> so i found an easier way ;) 18:16:20 <Eddi|zuHause> that's as good an excuse than any other, i guess :p 18:17:02 <Eddi|zuHause> "as any other"? 18:17:12 <petern> INCOMMUNICADO INCOMMUNICADO 18:17:12 <petern> yes 18:17:38 <Eddi|zuHause> alswie... ;) 18:22:12 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 18:29:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r15418 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Codechange: Add action7/9 support to detect available rail type labels 18:34:29 *** fjb [~frank@p5485CB88.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 18:40:05 <Darkvater> that starts souding pretty funkcy 18:40:52 <Rubidium> he's slowly releasing it ;) 18:42:45 <Darkvater> it'd better not be buggy 18:42:47 <Darkvater> :) 18:44:07 <Prof_Frink> petern! 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Something! 18:45:00 <Rubidium> he's been playing with it already for eons 18:45:50 <Eddi|zuHause> when railtypes are done, could we have water types? 18:50:23 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 482 seconds] 18:54:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15419 /3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel/sqvm.cpp: [Squirrel] -Fix: jump based on (bogus) uninitialised values warning. 18:58:34 <petern> Eddi|zuHause, we have water types 18:59:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean, as in "allow only ships with [new property:] maximum depth of X meters" 18:59:41 <petern> ah 18:59:43 <Eddi|zuHause> like, small channels, small rivers 19:00:15 <Eddi|zuHause> or further: do not allow ship travel (e.g. frozen rivers) 19:00:58 *** OsteHovel^EEE [~OsteHovel@062016205204.customer.alfanett.no] has joined #openttd 19:01:19 <Aali> so, you want to make ships even more useless? 19:05:02 <Eddi|zuHause> no, more diverse 19:06:33 <petern> mmm, roast dinner... 19:06:40 <petern> 3 hours of cooking, 5 minutes of eating :p 19:07:46 <smeding> eat slower 19:07:51 <smeding> or cook faster, your choice :p 19:07:55 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:07:59 <smeding> remember: salmonella is half the fun 19:08:14 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:08:16 <petern> heh 19:12:13 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... bad... i want to record fantastic four, but i have no space left... 19:13:02 <Rubidium> then remove something 19:13:35 <Eddi|zuHause> but i can't remove anything 19:13:39 <Eddi|zuHause> i removed remove 19:13:53 <petern> heh 19:14:21 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:15:41 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: then ask PRO 7 to delay the movie till you've bought some more space 19:16:13 <Rubidium> though you might be a little late to do that 19:18:07 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 19:20:05 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff451.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:20:27 <Swallow> Aali, are you around? 19:20:31 <Aali> I am 19:21:06 <Swallow> My apologies for not telling you about my work 19:21:28 <Swallow> Can you tell me about your fixes and such regarding pbs 19:21:34 <Aali> heh, no need to apologise 19:22:26 <Swallow> We'd better help each other than each work on our own version, I suppose 19:23:12 <Aali> ideally, we should work on the hg repo 19:23:28 <Aali> but that means someone has to go over yorick's code and fix that 19:23:54 <Swallow> I think it's better to start a new repo 19:24:11 <Swallow> I've spent more than enough time fixing his code :) 19:24:37 <Aali> heh, probably 19:24:49 <petern> oh dear, it's snowing 19:25:02 <Swallow> Only prob I have with hg repo is that it breaks mq queues 19:25:12 <Aali> anyways, I'm off to grab some food, bbl 19:25:18 <Rubidium> petern: as if that hasn't happened recently ;) 19:25:26 <petern> indeed 19:25:33 <petern> although my path is wet, so it's not settling there 19:25:43 <petern> until it freezes later, and turns into an icerink 19:26:19 * Swallow doesn't play in the sub-arctic climate 19:31:34 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:31:43 <Darkvater> gn all :) 19:31:57 <Wolf01> night DV :) 19:31:57 <Rubidium> night Darkvater 19:33:55 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 19:34:37 <el_en> knight Darkvater 19:35:00 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 19:38:30 <Timitry> Eddi|zuHause: hm... bad... i want to record fantastic four, but i have no space left... --> The movie is broadcasted again at 00:05, maybe you find a solution until then ;) 19:39:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i CAN read a tv guide ;) 19:39:19 <Timitry> :D 19:40:27 <Timitry> I finally have TV in my own room now... After drilling through meters of chalk/sandstone and wood, and laying a cable through those 19:40:37 <Timitry> ;) 19:41:46 <petern> do you live in a cave? 19:41:46 <Timitry> That stone is really hard, my muscles are hurting -.- 19:41:49 <Timitry> hehe 19:42:18 <Timitry> Nah, but i had to lay the cable from my room out of the house and into the house again 19:43:57 <smeding> your muscles hurt? did you drill by hand? 19:44:04 <smeding> you're supposed to let the drill do the work :) 19:44:36 <OsteHovel^EEE> how to get make to output all info and not silence it all out and just print out "compiling file.cpp" 19:44:38 <OsteHovel^EEE> ? 19:44:39 <Timitry> it was a bit complicated, since... well, i'll show you a picture, hold on 19:45:21 <smeding> OsteHovel^EEE, -v probably works 19:45:27 <smeding> that's a common unix flag 19:45:30 <Yexo> OsteHovel^EEE: you can use "VERBOSE=1 make" 19:45:43 <smeding> oh, it uses shell vars 19:45:44 <smeding> silly 19:47:17 <Timitry> http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/1302/cimg4402xd6.jpg 19:47:17 <Timitry> There, since the drill was quite long, i couldn't push straight, but had to stand perpendicular to the drill... 19:47:17 <Timitry> (That's not my room on the picture, it's a room adjacent to my room where two birds of my sister used to live) 19:47:32 <Rubidium> smeding: make -v gives the version of make 19:47:43 <smeding> ah, never mind then 19:47:58 <OsteHovel^EEE> thanks smeding & Yexo 19:48:03 <smeding> i did nothing 19:48:04 <smeding> :p 19:48:13 <smeding> Timitry, ah yes 19:49:12 <Timitry> It's not that i am THAT unathletic, it's just that you never need those muscles ;) 19:51:33 <Aali> Swallow: indeed, we were originally going to use hg queues, but we couldn't figure out a good way to make it work with multiple users 19:53:03 <Timitry> And now that i have TV in my room, nothing good's coming, already have seen fantastic four and did not like it that much, and Resident Evil 2 is nice, but already saw that twice... 19:53:05 <Timitry> :-/ 19:53:15 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeji126.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 19:53:48 <Swallow> Aali: we can always split the patch back into separate patches if needed 19:54:37 <Aali> yes, thats what we settled for, separate commits for things we may want to split later 19:55:05 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.104.183] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:03:49 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 20:03:51 *** SmatZ is now known as Guest441 20:03:51 *** Guest434 is now known as SmatZ 20:04:36 *** Guest441 [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:06:01 *** Runr [~Runar@229.14.erx-lhm.eidsiva.net] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 20:11:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r15420 /extra/ottd_grf/split/ (signals.nfo signals.pcx): [OTTD_GRF] -Change: Replace the path signal grahpics. 20:12:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r15421 /trunk/bin/data/ (5 files): -Change: Replace the path signal sprites borrowed from TTDPatch with our own custom sprites. 20:14:13 *** goodger [~ben@host81-152-233-2.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:17:04 <petern> heh 20:17:15 <petern> sqvm.cpp:1130 :o 20:18:49 <petern> oh dear 20:18:53 <petern> those signals look silly 20:19:14 <Timitry> *checking out svn* 20:19:17 <petern> i hope we don't have colour blind players 20:19:28 <SmatZ> we do 20:19:44 <Timitry> *compiling* 20:22:53 <Timitry> [SRC] Compiling 3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel/sqvm.cpp 20:22:53 <Timitry> C:/Programme/mSYS/home/Besitzer/trunk/src/3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel/sqvm.cpp: In member function `bool SQVM::CallNative(SQNativeClosure*, SQInteger, SQInteger, SQObjectPtr&, bool&)': 20:22:53 <Timitry> C:/Programme/mSYS/home/Besitzer/trunk/src/3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel/sqvm.cpp:1104: warning: 'oldtop' might be used uninitialized in this function 20:22:53 <Timitry> C:/Programme/mSYS/home/Besitzer/trunk/src/3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel/sqvm.cpp:1105: warning: 'oldstackbase' might be used uninitialized in this function 20:23:02 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d861888.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 20:23:07 <Roujin> hi there 20:23:24 <Roujin> michi_cc: why change the signals? 20:23:26 <Timitry> hi roujin 20:23:30 <Rubidium> Timitry: broken compiler 20:23:55 <Rubidium> broken in the sense that the warnings are bogus 20:24:03 <Timitry> Okay... 20:24:26 <Rubidium> the mingw/msys default compiler isn't that good w.r.t. uninitialized warnings 20:24:38 <Rubidium> SQInteger oldtop = _top; 20:24:38 <Rubidium> SQInteger oldstackbase = _stackbase; 20:24:52 <Rubidium> ^ that's what it thinks is uninitialized 20:25:25 <Rubidium> seems quite initialized to me 20:25:32 <Eddi|zuHause> so it actually doesn't know whether _top or _stackbase is uninitialised? 20:25:47 <Rubidium> those are initialised 20:26:54 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-183-149.popl.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 20:26:55 <Rubidium> in the same way gcc 4.4 is likely to throw bogus warnings unless they fix the bug that causes them 20:27:19 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:27:21 <Roujin> what was wrong with using the ones from ttdpatch? 20:27:30 *** smallfly [~smallfly@p578F1B36.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:27:32 <Rubidium> different meaning 20:27:41 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:27:51 <petern> well 20:27:55 <petern> these new ones suck 20:27:57 <Rubidium> as in looks a lot like block signal + pbs 20:27:58 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:28:12 <Rubidium> when it's that not at all 20:28:18 <Roujin> you mean.. misusing that entry pre + pbs signal as one way pbs 20:28:41 <Roujin> ah yeah, you typed faster :) 20:29:30 <Roujin> well but the other ones were changed too.. 20:29:38 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:29:48 <Roujin> i.e. lost their yellow thingy 20:30:27 <Timitry> Finally... Compiling takes quite some time on my old machine here :D 20:30:57 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:31:18 <petern> Expression: type(STK(arg0)) == OT_GENERATOR 20:31:19 <petern> pom te pom 20:31:48 <Timitry> ups... 20:31:54 <Timitry> Assertion failed... 20:32:16 <Timitry> sqstate.cpp Line 392 20:32:20 <Timitry> Expression 0 20:32:28 <Timitry> Tried to change the Base Graphics 20:32:31 <Rubidium> you're all using pathzilla, right? 20:32:39 <Rubidium> or having it 20:36:07 <Timitry> Was that @ me? 20:36:07 <Timitry> The game crashes if i press "quit" 20:38:11 <petern> mine as at sqvm.cpp:950 20:38:32 <Timitry> and i don't have any content downloaded except the base graphics 20:38:34 <Timitry> OpenGFX 20:38:45 <Timitry> and the OpenTTDCoop grf pack 20:39:16 <petern> yeah 20:39:21 <petern> pathzilla 20:41:28 <petern> anyway 20:41:30 <petern> new signals... 20:41:41 <petern> at least the lights should change position when the state changes 20:42:14 <Timitry> Do you need a stacktrace or something like that for my crash? 20:43:25 <Rubidium> Timitry: do you have any AIs? 20:43:47 <Timitry> nope 20:44:00 <Timitry> removed all newgrfs 20:44:11 <Timitry> excpet for the opengfx alpha 4.2.tar 20:44:14 <petern> what about mine? :p 20:44:21 <Timitry> under content_download 20:44:27 <petern> except i've closed it now, so it doesn't matter 20:44:56 <Rubidium> petern: SmatZ is/was working on that one 20:45:11 <Timitry> If you need a stacktrace, could you write me those steps again? Starting with ./configure debuglevel 3 etc... 20:45:17 <Timitry> Forgot them 20:45:44 <SmatZ> actually I am not, no time for that now... 20:45:47 <Rubidium> Timitry: you really have an AI somewhere 20:46:15 *** smeding [~smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:47:11 <Timitry> :P 20:47:40 <Timitry> Way to many different places where OpenTTD stores such things :-/ 20:48:29 *** rortom [~rortom@5ac3dbb6.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 20:48:31 <Timitry> After deleting it it won't start at all anymore... 20:48:58 <rortom> hi all :D 20:50:50 <Rubidium> petern: any clue about FS#2623? 20:51:10 <Rubidium> someone claims that lots of vehicle sets do not work anymore 20:51:35 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:56:45 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d861888.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 21:01:51 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d861888.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:01:57 *** Roujin_ is now known as Roujin 21:03:01 <michi_cc> petern: draw some better ones that preferably don't look like pre-signals or patch pbs signals 21:05:10 <petern> Rubidium: _settings_game.vehicle.dynamic_engines is false 21:05:17 *** OsteHovel^EEE [~OsteHovel@062016205204.customer.alfanett.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:05:58 <Rubidium> his .cfg says otherwise 21:06:00 <rortom> petern: Rigs of Rods just gone open source :D 21:06:00 <petern> no 21:06:07 <petern> rortom! 21:06:27 <petern> Rubidium, no, i mean it's false, even if it's set to on 21:06:28 *** goodger [~ben@host81-152-233-2.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: +++ Out Of Channel Error +++] 21:06:40 <petern> _settings_newgame.vehicle.dynamic_engines is true, however 21:06:57 <rortom> https://sourceforge.net/projects/rigsofrods/ 21:06:58 <SmatZ> maybe he grabbed wrong openttd.cfg 21:06:58 <rortom> :) 21:07:21 <Rubidium> petern: you mean that the settings aren't copied correctly from _newgame? 21:07:24 <SmatZ> version_string = r15418 21:07:26 <SmatZ> hmm no 21:07:35 <petern> rortom! how did that happen? ... and nothing there yet ;( 21:07:43 <rortom> yes 21:07:43 *** goodger [~ben@host81-152-233-2.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:07:47 <petern> oh, there is svn 21:07:47 <rortom> im still uploading :) 21:07:48 * Rubidium slaps Yexo 21:08:05 <rortom> pricorde is currently adding a blog post :) 21:08:26 <Yexo> what did I do wrong? 21:08:27 <rortom> the game is now completely licensed under GPLv3 21:08:48 <Rubidium> hmm, never mind ;) 21:09:09 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.104.183] has joined #openttd 21:09:15 <petern> r15383? 21:09:41 <petern> rortom: congrats 21:10:16 <petern> now we get to watch microsoft make a flight sim from it now that they don't have their own dev team on that... 21:10:19 <petern> ;) 21:10:33 <Rubidium> petern: if I enable it in GM_MENU and start a new game it's still enabled 21:10:46 <petern> yes 21:10:56 <petern> but it's not set while loading the grfs 21:10:58 <rortom> petern: haha :p 21:11:10 <Rubidium> ah... interesting 21:11:22 * Rubidium revokes his never mind of 3 minutes ago 21:11:38 <rortom> you are all invited to code on RoR :) #RigsOfRodsDev on quakenet 21:12:03 <Rubidium> Yexo: you didn't test r15383 properly with newgrfs ;) 21:13:24 <Aali> Yexo 21:14:18 <Aali> nevermind 21:14:27 <Aali> that one wasn't your fault 21:17:58 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d861888.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 21:22:08 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]] 21:24:52 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d861888.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:26:51 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5E648.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:26:56 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:28:04 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 21:29:03 * petern grumbles at SDL_WarpMouse() not always working 21:29:12 <goodger> heh 21:32:15 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/fs2623.diff <- solves the issue and makes 'sure' the sprite initialisation is always done after InitialiseGame() 21:33:38 <petern> hmm, i thought there was a reason why that didn't work... 21:34:25 <Rubidium> why does loading savegames do it after InitialiseGame then? 21:34:51 *** smallfly [~smallfly@p578F1B36.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Want to be different? Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 21:35:17 <petern> well 21:35:26 <petern> if only i knew what i thought the reason was :o 21:36:20 <petern> that was it 21:36:33 <petern> initializegame() requires sprites to work 21:36:52 <petern> as it sets the cursor to ZZZ which calls GetSprite() down the line... 21:37:18 <Rubidium> that's why I load the sprite stuff before the first generate world 21:37:25 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-17-55.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Quit: RS-SM] 21:37:28 <petern> mmm 21:37:48 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by caffein depletion...] 21:37:51 <petern> ok 21:38:10 * petern tries out LV5 21:39:19 <petern> heheh 21:39:23 <petern> a bit dodgy 21:39:26 <petern> way better than LV4 though 21:48:42 <glx> rortom: GPL v3 is not the best thing :) 21:48:55 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:50:11 *** Chrill [~chrischri@80.216.48.180] has joined #openttd 21:53:25 <Wolf01> ah! one convoy AI failed to build a route 21:54:08 <Wolf01> 10 road vehicles with the only order of "go to depot" 21:55:22 <rortom> glx: yes, but better than closed 21:58:17 <glx> yes, at least you are sure it will be hard to reuse it in a commercial game ;) 22:00:53 <rortom> yes, that was the reason why we chose it :) 22:01:15 <rortom> we dont want that anyone sells it 22:03:33 <rortom> http://rigsofrods.blogspot.com/ 22:07:19 <petern> watch out for esoft interactive 22:08:18 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d861888.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 22:08:47 <Eddi|zuHause> the thing is... you can not forbid that anyone sells it 22:10:18 <rortom> yeah 22:11:21 <rortom> i hope it turns out to be a good decision at last 22:11:32 <petern> yeah 22:11:43 <petern> would be awkward if someone proved him right :o 22:12:15 * goodger rubs hands 22:12:51 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.181.16] has joined #openttd 22:15:51 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d861888.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:19:57 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.179.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:21:51 <SmatZ> am I the only one who finds red text in AIDebug window unreadable? 22:22:21 <SmatZ> blue would be better... 22:26:04 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FBB5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:28:21 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:35:07 *** Timitry [~Tim@p5B37E024.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:52:21 <Wolf01> 'night 22:52:36 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-234-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:53:07 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:58:47 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d861888.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 23:01:58 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 23:05:52 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d861888.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:06:26 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:06:43 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 23:07:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15422 /trunk/src/ (genworld.cpp openttd.cpp): -Fix [FS#2623] (r15383): loading NewGRFs before copying the settings. 23:08:23 <dihedral> night 23:09:06 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:16:58 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-52-118.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Quit: SHRIKEE] 23:24:40 *** Mark_ [~M4rk@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:24:41 *** elmex [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:24:42 *** elmex [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has joined #openttd 23:26:27 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d861888.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]] 23:27:01 <Chrill> Brianetta?? 23:29:18 <Chrill> Dunno if you around, Brianetta, but when you see this: Do you know what is causing network desynchs on the standard openttd server? Starluck experienced it and I get them like 5 seconds into connecting to the server 23:29:55 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:30:46 <SmatZ> Chrill: does restarting the server work? (I mean, quit the server and restart it) 23:30:53 <SmatZ> *help 23:32:55 <Chrill> SmatZ, seeing how it's Brianetta's and not mine, I cannot try this :P 23:33:07 <Chrill> it's running at the moment though 23:33:54 <Chrill> uhm.. no, it's not 23:34:07 <Chrill> lasted 4 minutes, wow 23:36:44 <Sacro> heh 23:37:00 <Sacro> !logs 23:37:47 <SmatZ> Chrill: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2411 this bugreport mentions Brianetta's server too :) 23:37:55 <Sacro> Chrill: sorry, I've lost my public key so I don't think I can log in 23:37:56 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:38:36 <Chrill> Sacro, there you are 23:38:43 <Sacro> lies 23:38:45 <Chrill> could not highlight you :P 23:38:47 <Chrill> oh 23:38:48 <Chrill> you just joined 23:38:49 <Chrill> lol 23:38:55 <Sacro> Ja, network issues 23:39:02 <Chrill> SmatZ, that issue was caused by Eoin 23:39:11 <Chrill> and was, apparently, fixed 23:40:11 <Chrill> oooh, tis a new one 23:40:12 <Chrill> hm 23:40:13 <Chrill> well 23:40:33 <Chrill> it happened before, eoin doing 100 RVs from one place to the other and it queued up. was app fixed by 0.6.3 or even earlier 23:41:41 <SmatZ> :-) 23:43:12 <el_en> http://www.pcauthority.com.au/News/136603,nvidia-is-trying-to-make-an-x86-chip.aspx 23:43:55 <SmatZ> they denied it a few weeks ago :-p 23:45:10 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: from __future__ import antigravity] 23:51:03 *** Zephyris [~Zephyris@lincdhcp23618.linc.ox.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 23:52:56 <goodger> SmatZ: no, sony denied that nvidia were going to make a CPU for the PS4 23:58:42 *** Zephyris [~Zephyris@lincdhcp23618.linc.ox.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]]