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08:27:22 <petern> it's not a size, it's a count :/ 08:34:19 *** Zorni [~zorn@d137187.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #openttd 08:41:58 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177231114.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:45:37 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEb16e.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 08:56:15 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 08:58:26 <SmatZ> using size_t gives results in shorter code on amd64 machines, and doesn't matter for ia32 ones 09:01:38 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B916.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:03:38 *** jpm [~pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 09:12:48 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83CDD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:12:51 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 09:30:24 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm190.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 09:37:35 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 09:38:13 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:38:29 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 10:01:43 *** racetrack [~racetrack@c114-76-16-69.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:08:15 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 10:11:25 *** oskari89 [oskari89@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff7cc100-243.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:13:06 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-187-113.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 10:38:38 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@173-19-228-175.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Quit: The Rise and Fall of the Heavens themselves is dependant upon Humanity's belief and disbelief.] 10:39:16 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@173-19-228-175.client.mchsi.com] has joined #openttd 10:56:44 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@nude.lesbianbath.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:58:21 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.23.10.24] has joined #openttd 11:01:39 *** arx [~arx@88-196-66-107-dsl.prn.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 11:01:54 <arx> hey 11:02:24 <arx> Iv need some help im fan of transport tycoon and i cant play because i dont have sample.cat file 11:02:59 <dih> touch sample.cat 11:03:08 <dih> create an empty file 11:03:20 <dih> or copy the files from your transport tycoon cd-rom 11:03:32 <dih> as the readme states 11:03:38 <dih> or google if you search for that 11:04:09 <arx> so what program i need to do that empty file and after i rename that sample.cat 11:04:42 <dih> hmmmm..... notepad, echo, touch? 11:04:56 <dih> en empty file, you cannot create an emtpy file with word! 11:05:02 <dih> *an 11:05:15 <arx> ok iv got notepad, but is that file must be emty ? 11:05:44 <dih> if you dont have that file, then you either need one from your transport tycoon cd or you can use an empty file 11:05:45 <arx> and where i must locate that 11:05:55 <dih> read the readme.txt please 11:05:59 <dih> there is one 11:06:04 <dih> there really is 11:06:07 *** elmex [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has quit [Server closed connection] 11:06:09 *** elmex [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has joined #openttd 11:06:10 <dih> and it's named readme for a very valid reason 11:06:17 <dih> it wants to be read 11:06:18 <arx> ok i try 11:06:24 <dih> it feels so lonely if nobody reads it 11:06:36 <dih> and if you dont read it, it will stop you from playing openttd :-P 11:06:45 <arx> :D 11:08:25 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:12:21 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-24-144-96.winn.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 11:13:31 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:13:31 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 11:13:39 <Condac> is it posible to change company to my company when loading a multiplayer game in singelplayer? my company is #3 but the singelplayer use #1 :( 11:13:51 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:14:14 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 11:14:21 <Condac> the move command only work in mp :( 11:15:53 <dih> did you search the forums, did you try google or the wiki? 11:16:15 <dih> i know the answer is there 11:16:23 <dih> it's out there, somewhere 11:16:37 <dih> in the wild wild web 11:17:01 <Condac> i looked through the list_cmds ingame 11:17:21 <planetmaker> use the cheat window ctrl+alt+c 11:17:31 <planetmaker> heya dih :) 11:18:24 <arx> hey still nothing 11:18:49 <dih> Condac, list_cmds is not the same as searching the forums, using google, or searching the wiki 11:19:32 <arx> but why they arent upload the game with sample.cat file? 11:19:43 <arx> its easyer for peoples 11:19:49 <planetmaker> arx, the readme would tell you ;) 11:19:54 <Condac> dih: no i know that im not that retarded, but asking questions before googleing is slightly retarded 11:20:00 <planetmaker> the simple answer is: we don't do copyright violations 11:20:08 <arx> Ok 11:20:42 <arx> my english is so bad i cant understand that readme.file too long text and nothing helpful 11:20:45 <dih> Condac, i'd not say you were retarded :-P 11:20:49 <dih> never 11:21:05 <Condac> planetmaker: i have asked a similar question before, why dont openttd comes with an empty sample.cat and opengrfx pre installed? 11:21:19 <dih> opengfx is not part of openttd 11:21:25 <planetmaker> Condac, the next simple answer: OpenGFX is not finished. 11:21:31 <dih> that too 11:21:34 <dih> :-P 11:21:41 <planetmaker> Shipping OpenTTD with OpenGFX would result in bug reports like "I have so many black boxes.." 11:21:43 <Condac> yea its lots of black stuff still 11:22:07 <planetmaker> I actually advocated for shipping OpenTTD with OpenGFX, though 11:22:14 <arx> Ok i dont have no original CD of tycoon :D 11:22:25 <arx> readme.html dont help me 11:22:28 <oskari89> Hmm. With OpenGFX finished, it would be totally free to play and share.. 11:22:39 *** arx [~arx@88-196-66-107-dsl.prn.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 11:22:40 <planetmaker> otho the current behaviour sorts out quickly the people who bother to look at the readme and those who don't. 11:23:15 <Condac> but some people are just lazy because there is trainsets with 10 times more trains avaible and still there is not an alternative to the original trains 11:24:01 <planetmaker> how do you mean? 11:24:20 <planetmaker> oskari89, with OpenGFX it is already now totally free... 11:24:26 <planetmaker> it's just that you have to install it yourself 11:24:48 <dih> uh - what a bummer :-P 11:25:17 * dih is not user friendly :-D 11:25:21 <planetmaker> well. I still think it'd been great to ship OpenGFX with 0.7.x. 11:25:25 <planetmaker> Indeed, it isn't. 11:25:30 <dih> :-D 11:25:38 <Condac> if i have a blank install with opengfx there is trains with black boxes, and there is less trains in the original game than with for example "north american". why dont ask some guy who have made 1000 trains to just copy wome to the opengfx 11:25:59 <dih> ... 11:26:04 <planetmaker> Condac, go right ahead... 11:26:15 <planetmaker> the OpenGFX team is sure happy to see help 11:26:20 <dih> Condac, opengfx is a base graphics set 11:26:28 <dih> not an extension 11:26:44 <Condac> planetmaker: im sory to say i havnt made 1000 trains or even 1, i wish i had 11:26:52 <dih> :-P 11:27:05 <planetmaker> Condac, well. Go and ask people whether you can use their work for the missing pieces of OpenGFX 11:27:21 <dih> not everybody will want to play with the north american train set or with 2cc 11:27:24 <dih> or ukrs 11:27:29 <dih> or whatever comes to mind 11:27:32 <planetmaker> Mind that dih is absolutely right that OpenGFX is only _base_ graphics. E.g. no extensions 11:28:01 <dih> ttd has a certain default set, which is still the same in openttd 11:28:05 <Condac> its hard to explain what i mean, my english is not that good but you didnt understand me right 11:28:22 <dih> that is what is meant with 'base' 11:28:28 <planetmaker> I *think* you mean: "there's plenty of graphics around. Why not use those?" 11:28:31 <planetmaker> correct? 11:28:36 <Condac> yes 11:28:44 <dih> e.g. rivers are possible, however the look like shit if you dont have the rivers.grf 11:29:01 <planetmaker> I say: go ahead and ask people who made those graphics. And include it yourself into OpenGFX 11:29:05 <Chruker> You want a graphic set that comes with the openttd download but which isnt copied from the original 11:29:06 <Condac> some one of those plenty 1000 trains must look similar to the ones in the base set 11:29:22 <dih> ah 11:29:31 <planetmaker> Condac, certainly true :) 11:29:35 <dih> a bunch of those sets are not licensed under the gpl 11:29:51 <planetmaker> dih, but people could be asked to re-license them :) 11:29:56 <Condac> dih: i know that but some are, and some people might just be kind if you ask 11:30:04 <dih> so you'd have a licensing issue, esp. as some authors are very keen on being acknowledged 11:30:05 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 11:30:09 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:30:12 <planetmaker> Condac, the usual problem: *someone* has to do that. 11:30:13 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:30:34 <dih> planetmaker, you know how some authors respond better than anybody else :-P 11:30:46 <Condac> planetmaker: i have no skillz in grf yet but if there is a grf for dummys that cant read i be willing to help 11:30:55 <planetmaker> hehe. True enough, dih :) 11:31:09 <planetmaker> Condac, I didn't have any until last week either 11:31:21 <Ammler> Condac: opengfx is for dummies, only sprite replacement 11:31:52 <planetmaker> And Ammler's right. Replacement of existing graphics is an easy nfo task 11:31:56 <dih> + often enough, if you do the drawing of the image, someone else can code it for you and turn it into a grf 11:32:10 <dih> esp on the opengfx team there are enough people who are willing to do that for that project 11:32:21 <Ammler> but a hard taks for the artist ;-) 11:32:26 <planetmaker> dih, I think currently there's something to code, but no coder with time. 11:32:42 <planetmaker> but I might we wrong with that 11:32:48 <Ammler> bmp->pcx 11:33:07 <Condac> how much coding is involved? 11:33:07 <Ammler> I once asked at tt-ms.de for help ;-) 11:33:54 <planetmaker> Condac, a grf is usally 50:50 coding and drawing I think 11:34:22 <planetmaker> with experience in coding probably less coding. 11:34:23 <Chruker> Isnt somebody already heading a openttd base graphic project? 11:34:44 <planetmaker> Chruker, OpenGFX is a base graphics replacement 11:35:33 <Ammler> maybe the 32bpp replacement is finished before ;-) 11:35:46 * planetmaker yesterday changed successfully for the first time the stats of a vehicles in an existing newgrf :) 11:35:49 <Condac> but what coding is needed to replace an already moving black box? isnt it just adding a picture to that black box? 11:36:02 <Ammler> cheater! 11:36:05 <Chruker> meh, I'm confusing it with the NewGFX thingy 11:36:18 <planetmaker> Condac, yes. But that replacing needs to be coded in a way like 11:37:09 <planetmaker> replace image ID<xy> by ~/images/pcx/filename.pcx <xpos> <ypos> <xsize> <ysize> <xoffset> <yoffset> 11:37:18 <planetmaker> and that's the coding needed for base graphics mostly. 11:37:29 <planetmaker> adjusting a sprite such that it is shown in the correct place. 11:38:12 <planetmaker> so basically yes, it's "just" adding an image. But you have to tell which image with what dimensions at what position 11:39:05 <Condac> how many rotations does a train have? 11:39:45 <Condac> is it mirroring automaticly and stuff like that? 11:39:54 <planetmaker> 4 or 8 11:40:00 <planetmaker> 8, if they're not symmetrical 11:40:55 <planetmaker> if mirroring is possible, you'll certainly need to tell openttd to do that by means of programming the newgrf accordingly 11:41:10 <planetmaker> (I don't know whether it's possible) 11:41:35 <Ammler> you just use the same sprite twiche, maybe :-) 11:41:46 <planetmaker> Ammler, yeah, that's always possible, I guess :) 11:42:30 <planetmaker> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=NewGraphicsSpecs <-- certainly looks very complicated, if you just read all that 11:42:48 <planetmaker> if you start with a well documented example, things start to get way clearer though. 11:44:09 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects <-- you find some projects there where all the code and images are freely accessible and licensed under GPL or a CC license. 11:44:41 <planetmaker> the opengfx certainly has a freely accessible repository, too. I just dunno where 11:44:52 * planetmaker exercises monologues :P 11:46:01 * Forked destroys the monologue 11:46:03 <Forked> at least temporary 11:46:11 <planetmaker> oh no! ;) 11:47:18 <planetmaker> I actually can only advise not to be put off by the newgrf wiki I quoted above. 11:47:24 <planetmaker> it's easier than it looks :) 11:48:03 <Condac> but how does 32bpp work? can u use it in openttd directly or do you need some modded nightly? 11:48:16 <planetmaker> works out of box 11:50:37 <Condac> the main toolbar by Joed, Athanasios should be the one in the openGRF 8bpp also, it was much nicer i think 11:50:40 <dih> jack in a :-P 11:51:54 *** davis` [~iloveme@p5B28C6A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:55:28 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 11:55:39 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:55c1:bf34:329e:4059] has joined #openttd 11:55:42 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 11:57:01 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:58:09 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 12:00:17 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:02:18 <Ammler> Condac: the toolbar is the main reason, I wouldn't use opengfx as base grf. 12:03:16 <Condac> it was hard ass hell to describe by speach what button to push when i talked to a friend that just started playing, i thought it looked the same almost but it didnt 12:03:18 <Ammler> terrain and newwater is the best part of it. 12:04:57 <Condac> there is only 2 buttons in the menu that is good, the pause, fast forward 12:05:59 <dih> :-D 12:06:06 <dih> nicely said Condac 12:09:09 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 12:10:24 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 12:18:03 *** bobo_b [~bobo_b@tiberius.ze.tum.de] has joined #openttd 12:36:37 *** worm [~worm@89.188.20.118] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:36:40 *** eekee [~ethan@cpc3-lanc4-0-0-cust273.brig.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 12:38:56 <eekee> holas. I haven't updated my copy of trunk for a while (r15151 is my last) and when I try now I get an error about src/3rdparty/squirrel. Anyone know how to get past that error? I tried --force & --accept theirs-full but got the same error. 12:39:44 <planetmaker> well. That error didn't hurt here. 12:39:55 <eekee> ah ok 12:39:57 <planetmaker> But you get rid of it, if you do a clean checkout in a new directory 12:40:03 <planetmaker> It's the better solution. 12:40:09 <eekee> gotcha 12:48:00 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r16357 /trunk/src/saveload/oldloader_sl.cpp: -Codechange: delete invalid depots in TTD savegames caused by improper SVXConverter conversions 12:52:22 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:52:22 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:52:26 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 12:54:16 <Ammler> eekee: or just rm src/3rdparty before svn up 12:55:32 <eekee> Ammler: I had visions of the update dying a horribly messy death if I did that :} 12:56:21 <Ammler> hmm, well 12:56:50 <eekee> eh, I shoud have tried it 12:58:08 *** eekee [~ethan@cpc3-lanc4-0-0-cust273.brig.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:59:15 *** bobo_b [~bobo_b@tiberius.ze.tum.de] has quit [Quit: bobo_b] 12:59:36 *** eekee [~ethan@cpc3-lanc4-0-0-cust273.brig.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 13:04:44 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 13:05:26 *** bobo_b [~bobo_b@tiberius.ze.tum.de] has joined #openttd 13:10:04 <Belugas> hello 13:15:25 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 13:17:13 <petern> hi hi 13:17:33 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: We all shall gaga.] 13:19:55 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 13:21:14 <eekee> holas guys 13:24:13 *** oskari89 [oskari89@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff7cc100-243.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 13:24:59 <Belugas> petern, there was some good stuff on yesterday's session :) 13:25:22 <Belugas> did not had the time to make some extracts, but it wasa a fun one (lucky i had it recorded) 13:28:19 *** Daann [~i.am@ip4da20690.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 13:28:50 <Daann> hi can anyone help me with a problem? 13:29:30 <glx> only if we know what the problem is 13:30:40 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.212.177] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:31:29 <Daann> its a very specific unloading of trains problem 13:31:56 <KingJ> Well... describe it 13:32:30 <planetmaker> the only way to get specific help is to describe a problem detailed and specifically 13:32:38 <Daann> alright here it goes 13:32:52 <Daann> my trains wont unload in their designated station 13:32:59 <Daann> wich accepts their kind of load 13:33:11 <Daann> they dont go to depots either 13:33:13 <planetmaker> use unload orders 13:33:30 <Daann> ive tried that but it just remains on the station 13:33:36 <planetmaker> and possibly no load orders. 13:33:57 <Daann> the station is only used for unloading 13:34:03 <planetmaker> then the station produces it either itself or doesn't accept the cargo 13:34:38 <glx> check the origin of fhe cargo in your train 13:34:45 <Daann> it does produce it itself aswell but it has always 13:34:48 <eekee> I always set no loading. I've had too many trains fill up unexpectedly when a station suddenly started to produce or was just not quite far enough from somehting producing 13:34:53 <Daann> and the problems only started recently 13:35:31 <Daann> ill try destroying the producing industry then 13:35:43 <glx> [15:34:43] <+glx> check the origin of fhe cargo in your train 13:36:30 <Daann> its iron ore to an oven 13:36:35 <eekee> you can destroy industries now? 13:36:39 <Daann> and its alot of trains 13:36:44 * eekee is curious, hasn't played for a while 13:36:57 <glx> Daann: I mean the name of the source station 13:37:00 <Daann> ive discovered u cant :P 13:37:19 <Daann> ok 13:37:31 <glx> are you using newgrf industries? 13:37:41 <Daann> no 13:37:47 <Daann> no plugins whatsoever 13:38:01 <Daann> and the origins seem fine 13:39:34 <Daann> brb 13:40:27 <eekee> aw crap, segfaults every time I try to start it. r16354 13:40:49 <glx> clean or patched? 13:41:19 <eekee> clean 13:42:39 * eekee rebuilds to check one tiny thing 13:42:50 *** bobo_b [~bobo_b@tiberius.ze.tum.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:43:48 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Quit: On snow, everyone can follow your traces] 13:43:56 <eekee> no joy 13:44:20 * eekee tries 32bit 13:44:23 <Daann> ok back 13:44:39 <eekee> wb 13:44:57 <Daann> should i just clear the orders from the load unload parts 13:47:16 <eekee> same segfault in 32-bit 13:47:31 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:47:33 <Daann> theres steel on that station aswell but ive never had a steel carrying train in that station 13:48:38 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 13:49:22 <glx> eekee: what are you doing exactly? 13:50:09 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 13:50:12 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 13:50:30 <eekee> glx: git-cloned fresh copy of trunk ; cp -a trunk r16354 ; ./configure && make -j 6 ; cd bin ; ./openttd 13:51:09 <eekee> the little thing I tested.. initially I omitted the .git tree to save a little space 13:52:25 <eekee> I have pure 64-bit & pure 32-bit systems & tried compiling in both. One thing I did notice is that it checks for sample cat before whatever's causing the segfault 13:53:09 *** bobo_b [~bobo_b@tiberius.ze.tum.de] has joined #openttd 13:53:11 <petern> self compiled? can you not provide a backtrace? 13:53:55 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:54:10 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:54:37 <eekee> quite possibly. can you walk me through getting it? I've hit my debugging limit lol 13:55:06 <eekee> actually I think I can do it 13:55:09 <glx> ./configure --enable-debug 13:55:14 <eekee> ah 13:55:15 <glx> cd bin 13:55:19 <glx> gdb ./openttd 13:55:29 <eekee> no make in betweeen those 2? 13:55:31 <glx> when it segfault: bt 13:55:46 <glx> of course make in between :) 13:55:55 <eekee> ok :D 13:56:03 <Daann> ive just moved the station out of the area with the producing industry, didnt help 13:56:19 <Daann> trains still dont unload there 13:57:05 <eekee> Daann: maybe something glitched with the savegame so the recieving industry somehow isn't working anymore 13:58:22 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet538.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 13:58:56 <Daann> that could be :/ 13:59:03 <Daann> thats not fixable is it 13:59:40 <planetmaker> that's something which is honestly several orders less likely than wrong orders and/or still accepted cargo or at least still remaining cargo 14:00:34 <eekee> glx: http://rafb.net/p/S0UXGZ83.html 14:01:41 <Daann> planetmaker i dont understand :P 14:01:48 <eekee> ah sorry 14:02:13 <petern> r16343 then 14:02:43 <petern> strdup on null is generally... bad 14:02:52 *** gule [~User@84-255-245-231.static.t-2.net] has joined #openttd 14:03:41 * glx can reproduce :) 14:03:56 <planetmaker> Daann, if you set your trains to unload and not load at that station, they'll leave it empty. No matter what 14:04:37 <planetmaker> but if the station doesn't accept the cargo, you won't get paid. Therefor it's safer to just set no load orders. 14:04:48 <planetmaker> Cargo will be unloaded automatically, if the station accepts a cargo 14:04:55 <planetmaker> go and read the wiki on how to set orders 14:05:13 <planetmaker> and what the different orders imply / mean 14:05:23 <_ln> http://cs.helsinki.fi/u/ilmarihe/algebra1/day4_set_cardinality.jpg 14:05:57 <Daann> i have no unload orders 14:06:09 <Daann> anywhere in the game 14:06:33 <planetmaker> then the station doesn't accept the cargo... 14:06:40 <planetmaker> why do you then wonder that you don't unload? 14:07:02 <Daann> the walls of the steelmaking oven hit the walls of my station 14:07:15 <Daann> and ive got dozens of trains transporting ore there 14:07:31 <Daann> that wont unload 14:07:48 <Daann> some only get a small amount of money and leave halffull 14:07:57 <Daann> some just stop and keep driving on 14:08:07 <Daann> looks really random 14:08:56 <Daann> can i post a link with a screenshot here? 14:08:56 <Hirundo> are you using an industry newgrf (PBI?) ? 14:09:02 <Daann> no none 14:11:56 <eekee> the sometimes half-full, sometimes full thing sounds exactly like newindustries behaviour. bizzarre 14:12:01 <planetmaker> Daann, you should rather post the savegame. 14:14:05 <Daann> ill upload it 14:16:27 <Daann> http://rapidshare.de/files/47222868/New_Rarnley_Transport__3_Jun_2050.sav.html 14:17:18 <eekee> petern: same thing with r16353 14:17:32 <Eddi|zuHause> _ln: nothing in there that i did not know before... 14:18:30 <Belugas> 32 pages 14:18:33 <Belugas> 125 test cases 14:18:40 <Belugas> and that's only the beginning 14:18:44 * Belugas cries 14:18:57 <eekee> ouch :{ 14:19:47 *** worm [~worm@89.188.20.118] has joined #openttd 14:22:57 <_ln> Eddi|zuHause: good, it's apparantly a first year course. 14:23:25 <Eddi|zuHause> we had that in 10th grade, i think 14:24:29 <eekee> glx, petern: 32-bit backtrace: http://rafb.net/p/SCOlna11.html 14:25:18 <petern> ? 14:25:24 <petern> i already said what the problem is 14:25:53 <eekee> I dunno how you got that from the 64 bit bt is all :) 14:26:04 <glx> we know the code ;) 14:26:38 <eekee> ah :D 14:26:40 <petern> the code is the same... 14:27:54 <Daann> could u find anything planetmaker 14:34:00 <Hirundo> Trains load ore from a nearby mine at the steel mill station 14:34:26 <Hirundo> That causes them to gradually fill up with ore from that mine, as it is never unloaded anywhere 14:35:07 <Daann> yh i made the station smaller but that didnt make a difference 14:35:21 *** thingwath [~thingwath@wireless-127.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 14:35:38 <Hirundo> Setting your orders to 'No loading' + 'Unload' should fix things 14:36:18 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:36:18 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:36:21 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 14:37:16 <Daann> thta didnt do it either 14:37:25 <Daann> wait 14:38:24 <Daann> it just leaves the ore at the station 14:38:25 <glx> petern: something like http://devs.openttd.org/~glx/strdup_NULL.diff 14:38:37 <Daann> waiting to be picked up by another train 14:38:54 <Daann> its like the industry dosnt accept but cant figure out why 14:39:48 <petern> glx, all this complexity just because somebody demanded some free()s... 14:41:00 <eekee> doesn't unload merely dump the load in the station without passing it to nearby industries? 14:41:30 <glx> eekee: only if not accepted 14:41:36 <eekee> ahh 14:42:23 <Daann> what are the rules for accepting cargo then 14:42:32 <Daann> can u overload an industry? 14:43:08 *** gule [~User@84-255-245-231.static.t-2.net] has left #openttd [] 14:43:22 <eekee> Daann: have your trians had time to make a round-trip to the station they're supposed to load at? 14:44:33 <Daann> i havnt set any times 14:44:35 <eekee> on the code thing I'm wondering what the free()s are for, considering r15151 ran passably well on my 64MB Sharp Zaurus 14:44:45 <Daann> they are free to go wherever they need to 14:45:28 <eekee> yeah but have they, after unloading, gone back to whee they're supposed to load, loaded, and come back to unload again? 14:46:28 <eekee> that second unload is when they should start making money 14:46:30 <Daann> yeah 14:46:35 <eekee> and they're not? 14:46:57 <Daann> theyre allfilled p with ore now so they dont load either anymore 14:47:22 <Daann> but they do make the whole trip 14:47:54 <eekee> I need a working ottd so I can look at it & compare with you :) 14:48:34 <glx> eekee: you can use my patch for now :) 14:48:55 <eekee> glx: Ah I didn't realise. ty 14:49:27 <Daann> ok :p 14:49:48 <Daann> still have the link here if u want it 14:50:05 <eekee> got it ty :) 14:50:32 *** GoneWacko [~GoneWacko@i44172.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 14:51:57 <Daann> alrite 14:51:59 <eekee> yay it runs! 14:52:05 <Daann> party on! 14:52:14 <Hirundo> Daann: Using unload + no loading, the ore that was previously loaded at that station will pile up there and gradually disappear 14:52:33 <Hirundo> assuming that no further ore is delivered there by some mine 14:52:54 <Daann> shouldnt it all disappear at once? 14:53:33 <Hirundo> Do *you* have magic powers to make tons of iron ore disappear? 14:53:45 <Daann> if u give me enough dynamite :P 14:54:10 <Hirundo> Indeed, but that process takes some time :) 14:54:17 <eekee> make a station to dump it to then when your trains are clear demo the station 14:54:29 <eekee> Daann: whoa mine city! 14:54:38 <Daann> :D 14:54:50 <Daann> wanted to make a huge iron ore transit system 14:55:00 <Daann> but apparantly cant because i need more ovens 14:55:43 <eekee> default ovens (steel mills) should take all the ore you can throw at them 14:56:11 *** th1ngwath [~thingwath@wired-66.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 14:56:42 <Daann> then somethings wrong 14:56:53 <eekee> train 9 is one of the problem trains, right? 14:57:00 <Daann> they all are 14:57:12 <Daann> all of the ore transporting ones 14:57:28 <Daann> the wood ones work perfectly 14:57:59 <Hirundo> your trains are / were loading ore from a nearby iron mine at the steel mill station 14:58:10 <Daann> yh were now 14:58:16 <Daann> for a while 14:58:55 <Eddi|zuHause> Daann: you misunderstand the problem 14:59:11 <Eddi|zuHause> ore cannot be delivered to the same station it came from 14:59:31 <Daann> and that causes all the trains to stop delivering 14:59:33 <Eddi|zuHause> so the ore generated by the nearby mine has nowhere to be unloaded 14:59:47 <Eddi|zuHause> and it will continually clog your system 15:00:01 <Eddi|zuHause> until it suffers a seizure 15:00:03 <Daann> so i have to delete that station and that trains 15:00:09 <Eddi|zuHause> which is what happens to you 15:00:15 <eekee> ok there's a little arrow between "Full load any cargo" and "Unload all". You need to click that & select "No loading" (the bottom one), and click the "Unload all" button too 15:00:24 <Eddi|zuHause> no, you have to make "unload and no loading" orders 15:00:35 <Daann> ok ill do that 15:00:40 <Daann> and see how it goes for a while 15:00:42 <Eddi|zuHause> this will remove the undeliverable ore from your trains 15:02:46 *** thingwath [~thingwath@wireless-127.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:04:32 <Daann> ok ill try it for a while 15:05:48 <Daann> i think its working cos my steel mill produces more 15:05:58 <Daann> but the ore stacks up aswell 15:06:06 <Daann> this shou;d gradually decrease right 15:06:52 <eekee> yeah the ore will pile up partly from the unload orders & partly because the station nnow has a reputation for taking ore, so neaby mines deliver to it 15:07:20 <eekee> it'll decrease slowly, yeah. Might not ever quite vanish 15:08:28 <glx> delete station and wait for the name sign to disappear 15:08:49 <glx> then rebuilt 15:08:53 <Daann> the nearb station or the accepting station 15:09:00 <Daann> ok accepint 15:09:53 *** Hirundo_ [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:12:07 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:12:18 *** Hirundo_ is now known as Hirundo 15:13:37 <Daann> ha it works 15:13:46 <Daann> ty all for helpin a stubborn person 15:14:04 <eekee> welcome :) 15:17:27 <eekee> sometimes helping someone becomes as big a puzzle as the game :o) 15:17:54 <Daann> yh i slightly understand why it happened 15:18:06 <Daann> but the important thing is that i know how to fi x t 15:21:17 <eekee> yeah 15:24:31 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 15:25:12 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@147.251.215.97] has joined #openttd 15:25:37 *** goodger [~ben@host86-156-60-33.range86-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:25:54 *** goodger [~ben@host86-156-60-33.range86-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:27:27 <Belugas> fuck... 15:27:41 <Belugas> i just learned that the simulator loads up the card number on the chip 15:27:57 <Belugas> and whatever is on the mag stripe is irrelevant 15:28:02 <Belugas> duh... 15:28:28 <Belugas> marvelous world it is.. indeed indeed 15:30:14 <Daann> and now its all gone 15:30:24 <Daann> producing 2ktons of steel a month 15:31:28 <ccfreak2k> Which simulator would that be? 15:38:24 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:38:25 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:38:28 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 15:39:57 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 15:42:00 <Belugas> Chip N Pin simulator test case management 15:42:03 <Belugas> lovely beast 15:42:05 <Belugas> kinda 15:42:11 <ccfreak2k> More like Chip N Dale. 15:42:53 <ccfreak2k> Is this definitive proof that magnetic card strips are fake?> 15:43:12 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5FDE4.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:44:21 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:47:27 <yorick> content server communication is not versioned? 15:47:28 <Belugas> no, only proof that you do not know what i am doing ;) 15:47:43 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-187-113.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 15:48:33 *** strid_ [~Strid@c-5f83e555.013-46-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:56:15 <eekee> heh, 256 trains on a 256x256 map 15:58:02 <eekee> old game that one 16:06:05 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm190.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:09:43 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:14:52 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B53D8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:16:04 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEb16e.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:29:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.184.65] has joined #openttd 16:31:04 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c0b7b.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:35:52 <dih> oing 16:35:55 <dih> *hachoo* 16:35:56 <dih> oink 16:35:58 <dih> oink 16:36:14 <Eddi|zuHause> strange... my "old games" never had more than 80 trains... 16:36:35 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.183.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:40:33 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:40:33 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:40:36 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 16:45:53 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051177090.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:53:50 *** [wito] [~wito@212.251.244.230] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:56:48 <ccfreak2k> Belugas, that works. 17:05:05 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: glx * r16358 /trunk/src/openttd.cpp: -Fix (r16343): strdup doesn't like NULL 17:05:42 <frosch123> Belugas? Isn't he on holidays? 17:05:44 <TinoDidriksen> ...you use strdup() ? That's asking for trouble. 17:05:59 <glx> why? 17:06:07 <glx> it's ok when done correctly 17:06:26 <TinoDidriksen> The memory allocated is not owned by the caller, which can cause segfaults when trying to free. 17:07:34 <TinoDidriksen> Across library boundaries it's especially bad. Terribly unsafe thing. 17:07:46 <glx> same happens with malloc 17:08:09 <glx> if you try to free mem allocated by a dll 17:08:10 <petern> "owned" ? 17:08:46 <glx> and as I said <+glx> it's ok when done correctly 17:08:49 <TinoDidriksen> Point is that strdup() you have no option of providing a safe preallocated buffer that you know you own. 17:08:59 <TinoDidriksen> Sure, it can be used safely...just ew. 17:09:17 <petern> ... 17:09:23 <petern> with strdup... you "own" it 17:10:03 *** [wito] [~wito@212.251.244.230] has joined #openttd 17:10:42 *** [wito] [~wito@212.251.244.230] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:11:51 <TinoDidriksen> The allocation happens in the library, so you don't own it. The one in Linux may be different, or may be inline or whatever, but cross-platform strdup()'s result is now owned. 17:12:00 <TinoDidriksen> *not 17:12:41 <Belugas> ccfreak2k : what does work?? 17:12:51 <Belugas> frosch123, no yesterday i was :( sadly 17:16:39 <petern> Belugas, go home 17:17:01 <dih> ^^ 17:19:38 <Belugas> and of course, petern, i'll be authorized to do absolutely nothing at all, on the couch ;) 17:19:58 <Belugas> note that i'm so tempted to indeed go home... 17:20:54 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B916.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:21:12 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:23:03 <petern> :s 17:23:21 <petern> btw 17:23:24 <petern> that key works now 17:24:55 <Belugas> whouhou!! 17:25:25 <Belugas> here's someting for you to do: grab the parts you like the most about yesterday's jam :D 17:33:42 <petern> dmesg 17:33:48 <petern> um :) 17:39:18 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:39:38 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:41:26 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B53D8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:43:12 <yorick> what's the char 0x92 and why is it in my content descriptions 17:45:48 *** Muxy [~Muxy@smtp.bdelalande.net] has joined #openttd 17:47:12 <Muxy> Hello from Goulp 17:47:46 <frosch123> Goulp make me think of the small dragon of Robert Asprin 17:47:54 *** th1ngwath [~thingwath@wired-66.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Domu.] 17:47:59 <frosch123> +2*" + s 17:48:03 <Muxy> dont know 17:54:36 <yorick> rather, what's it doing in the #303 North of England scenario 18:00:29 <Hirundo> yorick: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows-1252 18:01:57 <yorick> Hirundo: where is it? 18:02:37 <yorick> nvm 18:03:20 * Hirundo hopes yorick picks a deep corner to hide in 18:04:54 * yorick hides beneath Hirundo 18:04:54 *** davis` [~iloveme@p5B28C6A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:05:06 *** davis` [~iloveme@p5B28C6A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:06:49 *** Muxy [~Muxy@smtp.bdelalande.net] has quit [Quit: Kopete 0.12.5 : http://kopete.kde.org] 18:14:45 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:14:45 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:14:45 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:14:45 *** jpm [~pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:14:47 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:14:53 *** jpm [~pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 18:17:43 *** Daann [~i.am@ip4da20690.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:17:54 *** Daann [~i.am@ip4da20690.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 18:18:08 <Chruker> o.O 18:18:39 *** bobo_b [~bobo_b@tiberius.ze.tum.de] has quit [Quit: quit] 18:19:17 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83CDD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Icebears are cute. Please, take care of them!] 18:21:33 *** kkb1101 [~kkb110@c-68-82-181-52.hsd1.de.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:25:46 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@c-68-82-181-52.hsd1.de.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:26:13 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@nude.lesbianbath.com] has joined #openttd 18:26:14 <z-MaTRiX> hi 18:27:17 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83CDD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:27:20 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 18:50:22 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:55c1:bf34:329e:4059] has joined #openttd 18:50:22 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 18:50:25 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx_] by ChanServ 18:52:32 * Belugas thinks time is not running fast enough 18:53:02 <SpComb> 'tis not going to run any faster 18:53:20 <_ln> hit tab 18:55:06 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 18:56:25 <z-MaTRiX> Belugas, buy a faster computer;> 18:56:48 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:55c1:bf34:329e:4059] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:56:49 <Belugas> duh... 18:57:10 <Belugas> compuer has nothing to do with it 18:57:14 <Belugas> fucking long script 18:57:17 <Belugas> too many cases 18:57:21 <Belugas> too many problems 18:57:39 <z-MaTRiX> well problems are to be solved 18:57:40 <Belugas> too many minutes o an hour, wish it was laready over and time to go home 18:57:56 <Belugas> not problems! CERTIFICATION!!! TEST SCRIPTS!!! 18:58:11 <_ln> especially bad for you as you have those 65 american minutes per hour. 19:06:25 <ccfreak2k> Imperial and metric time. 19:06:37 <ccfreak2k> Did you know that the UK only has 6.4 days per week? 19:10:23 *** yorick_ [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:10:31 *** worm [~worm@89.188.20.118] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:12:45 *** yorick is now known as Guest3190 19:12:45 *** yorick_ is now known as yorick 19:15:17 *** worm [~worm@89.188.20.118] has joined #openttd 19:16:56 *** Guest3190 [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:17:50 *** Smile4u [~Smile4u@ip-85-197-130-222.home-c.dsl.bikab.com] has joined #openttd 19:18:34 *** Smile4u [~Smile4u@ip-85-197-130-222.home-c.dsl.bikab.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:18:55 *** Smile4u [~Smile4u@ip-85-197-130-222.home-c.dsl.bikab.com] has joined #openttd 19:21:41 *** glx_ is now known as glx 19:24:31 <_ln> i didn't 19:24:49 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 19:26:22 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r16359 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Codechange: don't abuse company 0 when determining 'cost to clear land' in the LandInfoWindow 19:27:55 <yorick> :):):) 19:30:36 <Belugas> abuse her 19:30:39 <Belugas> seduce her 19:30:50 <Belugas> reduce her 19:30:53 <Belugas> refuse her 19:31:02 <petern> ninjam her 19:31:19 <Belugas> :D 19:31:40 <Belugas> on ninjam servers? 19:32:33 * yorick can now request the content list from python :) 19:35:39 <petern> great 19:35:45 <petern> that is just what i needed 19:41:18 *** oskari89 [oskari89@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff7cc100-243.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 19:42:16 <dih> yorick, and why would that be so hard? 19:42:30 <yorick> did I say it would be? 19:42:45 <dih> then you do you still think people want to know :-P 19:46:00 <yorick> is it me or does ClientNetworkContentSocketHandler::RequestContentList(uint count, const ContentID *content_ids) send identical packets when it needs more than one 19:50:47 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:51:04 <Hirundo> it is you 19:51:29 <yorick> for (uint i = 0; i < p_count; i++) { <-- it starts at 0 again every time 19:51:38 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:52:54 <Hirundo> content_ids += count;<< increments the pointer 19:53:58 <SpComb> actually, it increments it by count, which is somewhat confusing 19:54:03 <SpComb> as opposed to p_count 19:54:26 <Hirundo> I was looking at the same, I think it should indeed increment by p_count 19:54:47 <SpComb> if p_count is the number of sent ContentIDs, and it decrements count by p_count 19:56:08 <SpComb> it seems like it'll just go out of bounds for the content_ids accesses once there's more than one packet needed 19:57:25 <SpComb> http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/browser/trunk/src/network/network_content.cpp#L169 20:00:40 <Hirundo> !ticket 20:00:42 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:01:44 <SpComb> but the code only ever calls that version of RequestContentList once, and that's with a count of one... 20:05:55 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-19-47.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:12:33 *** Smile4u_ [~Smile4u@ip-85-197-130-222.home-c.dsl.bikab.com] has joined #openttd 20:13:10 *** Smile4u_ [~Smile4u@ip-85-197-130-222.home-c.dsl.bikab.com] has left #openttd [] 20:13:38 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5FDE4.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:16:08 *** Smile330 [~Smile4u@ip-85-197-130-222.home-c.dsl.bikab.com] has joined #openttd 20:21:03 <luckz> uhhhhm 20:21:04 <luckz> question! 20:21:08 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-53-197.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #openttd 20:21:11 <luckz> if I combine multiple engines 20:21:12 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-53-197.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:21:13 <petern> answer? 20:21:15 <luckz> do I only get running costs for one? 20:21:19 <petern> no 20:21:25 <luckz> but it displays them only for one. 20:21:25 <planetmaker> you get running costs for all. 20:21:29 <luckz> so.. how is that calculated? 20:21:37 <petern> no 20:21:39 <petern> you get the total 20:21:41 <planetmaker> depends upon the newgrf 20:22:39 *** Smile4u__ [~Smile4u@ip-85-197-130-222.home-c.dsl.bikab.com] has joined #openttd 20:22:48 <planetmaker> @seen Truebrain 20:22:48 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: Truebrain was last seen in #openttd 1 week, 0 days, 8 hours, 45 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <TrueBrain> you catched on on that? :) 20:22:52 *** Smile535 [~Smile4u@ip-85-197-130-222.home-c.dsl.bikab.com] has joined #openttd 20:23:00 *** Smile535 [~Smile4u@ip-85-197-130-222.home-c.dsl.bikab.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:23:18 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 20:23:53 <luckz> planetmaker: well I'm using dbsetxl 20:23:58 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C793.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:24:27 *** Smile969 [~Smile4u@ip-85-197-130-222.home-c.dsl.bikab.com] has joined #openttd 20:24:29 *** Smile4u [~Smile4u@ip-85-197-130-222.home-c.dsl.bikab.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:24:37 *** Smile969 [~Smile4u@ip-85-197-130-222.home-c.dsl.bikab.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:24:41 *** Smile4u__ [~Smile4u@ip-85-197-130-222.home-c.dsl.bikab.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:24:42 *** Smile330 [~Smile4u@ip-85-197-130-222.home-c.dsl.bikab.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:26:06 <luckz> so does that mean they are just not displayed or not calculated? 20:26:08 <Xaroth> planetmaker: he's hiding 20:26:32 <planetmaker> hm... you should normally pay for them. Did you check whether you do or don't? 20:27:50 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:27:58 <luckz> well, how do I test that? should I build a train with six engines and let it drive in a circle for a year to see how much cash it wastes? and what if it still wastes that cash but does not display it? 20:28:08 <luckz> I can't really isolate anything in a system with 200+ vehicles 20:28:44 <petern> no 20:28:53 <petern> you look in the Running Cost: field of the train details window... 20:29:37 <luckz> ohh my bad, actually I just fail at basic maths. it display that stuff properly, sorry. 20:30:04 <luckz> now if my MP game just wouldn't disconnect all the time! 20:30:09 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:30:10 <luckz> but that's not the game's fault. 20:30:35 <planetmaker> :) 20:30:38 <luckz> so uh, are there particular newgrf combinations that are actually reasonably balanced? because combining egrvts and dbsetxl wasn't a very smart idea. 20:30:57 <planetmaker> german road vehicle set might well fit dbxl 20:31:08 <luckz> aviators aircraft have rather high running costs, egrvts have near-zero running costs, dbsetxl trains are ridiculously expensive 20:33:10 <frosch123> dbsetxl engines are also ridiculously powerful :p 20:33:40 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c0b7b.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:33:40 <planetmaker> nah, it's all realistic. You have to play it like that, or you do it wrong :P 20:34:17 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/03/07 00:45:02 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 20:35:40 <Ammler> br182 is the best engine of the whole TTD world ;-) 20:38:28 <luckz> but the prices... 20:38:43 <luckz> BR515 costs me 1/10 of what a BR150 or what costs. 20:38:54 <luckz> BR103 even costs over 15x more 20:41:20 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:45:04 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 20:46:41 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:47:30 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@93-80-19-47.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:48:46 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-19-47.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:48:55 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 20:49:03 <planetmaker> luckz: do you honestly care about prices? 20:49:32 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:49:42 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #openttd [] 20:52:54 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.] 20:54:18 <luckz> planetmaker: uhm, sure? 20:54:28 <dih> in ttd? 20:54:40 <dih> be honest, you did not even buy the ttd cdrom 20:54:42 <Belugas> buwhahahahah!!!! 20:54:51 <dih> :-P 20:55:15 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]] 20:56:30 <z-MaTRiX> hey 20:56:38 <Eddi|zuHause> <planetmaker> nah, it's all realistic. You have to play it like that, or you do it wrong :P <- the set is realistic, the game physics are not 20:56:54 <z-MaTRiX> going to try out playing at real loan interest rate 20:57:09 <petern> real? 20:57:36 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 20:57:51 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:58:11 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: they aren't? Damn... 20:58:29 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 21:01:34 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [] 21:02:24 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEb16e.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 21:02:34 <z-MaTRiX> meaning that percentage they want here in bank 21:03:04 *** ziond [~sergei@77.51.88.91] has joined #openttd 21:04:40 <Eddi|zuHause> z-MaTRiX: the loan interes is useless, because it just cancels out the inflation 21:04:58 *** E5|padshance [pad@bl8-184-13.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 21:04:59 <Eddi|zuHause> you need a way to increase the loan interest separate from the inflation rate 21:05:09 <z-MaTRiX> hmm 21:05:27 <z-MaTRiX> btw why is there inflation? 21:05:43 <Eddi|zuHause> because there was a hen and an egg 21:05:54 <Eddi|zuHause> and scientists discussed which one came first 21:06:03 <Eddi|zuHause> and then they demanded more money 21:06:25 <z-MaTRiX> but that's insane 21:07:06 <z-MaTRiX> you can earn millions if you buy a cheezeburger for 5 million 21:07:55 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:08:44 <Eddi|zuHause> 5 million is nothing... 21:09:13 <Eddi|zuHause> http://i4.ebayimg.com/08/i/001/24/f9/1db4_1.JPG 21:09:39 <Eddi|zuHause> that's a 10 billion (long) bill 21:10:13 <Eddi|zuHause> meaning 10 million million 21:10:50 <z-MaTRiX> meaningless 21:11:30 <Eddi|zuHause> the official course was capped at 1$ = 4.6 billion (long) mark, i think 21:11:50 <Eddi|zuHause> the black market course rose up to 12, it was said 21:12:05 <z-MaTRiX> i know this was the situation with HUF long time ago 21:12:20 <dih> probably before you were born :-P 21:12:29 <z-MaTRiX> sure 21:12:34 <Eddi|zuHause> http://i9.ebayimg.com/08/i/001/1a/3f/e93a_1.JPG <- 20 billion (long) 21:13:26 <dih> inflation (in that case) merely did s/Mark/Billionen Mark/g 21:13:27 <dih> :-D 21:13:30 <z-MaTRiX> http://thelongestlistofthelongeststuffatthelongestdomainnameatlonglast.com/largest39.html 21:13:33 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, there was said to be a hungarian hyperinflation right after WWII, which was said to be initiated by the communists 21:13:37 <dih> Eddi|zuHause, perhaps there is a 50 too 21:14:13 <Eddi|zuHause> dih: the difference was that tommorow you only got half a bread for that bill 21:14:54 *** ziond [~sergei@77.51.88.91] has left #openttd [] 21:15:27 <Eddi|zuHause> http://i.ebayimg.com/08/!BQ73hH!Bmk~$(KGrHgoOKkMEjlLmYg(TBJ7fNUwmsw~~_1.JPG 21:17:46 <z-MaTRiX> so if you want inflation, then why doesn't it interfere with loan interest? 21:18:05 <planetmaker> why should it? 21:18:31 <planetmaker> it's a free market. People or banks surely will adopt, though 21:18:40 <Belugas> [16:59] <z-MaTRiX> going to try out playing at real loan interest rate <--- /me is rolling on the floor!!! man, you're so freaking funny!!! 21:18:43 <Eddi|zuHause> z-MaTRiX: a bank makes money by collecting more interest than the inflation costs them 21:19:10 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C793.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:19:38 <z-MaTRiX> Belugas, why? 21:20:08 <z-MaTRiX> thought about increasing loan interest rate from default 21:20:18 <z-MaTRiX> nothing more 21:20:26 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16360 /trunk/src/ (11 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: don't use _network_playas as a 'second' _local_company, but only as a storage location for the company you want to join in MP. 21:20:32 <Belugas> because you are. Because "real" interest does not exists in the game. Because your attempts to get reality in the game is laughable, because i'm tired etc etc 21:20:43 <z-MaTRiX> heheh 21:20:51 <Eddi|zuHause> vamos a la playa? 21:21:03 <Eddi|zuHause> network playa? 21:21:12 <Eddi|zuHause> is that where you start surfing? 21:23:29 <Belugas> and by the way, in OTTD, the inflation and interest rates are capped at 4 or 5 % (can't remember) due to the way the arithmetics are made for those. Good luck tryinh to balance it out nicely in another way 21:24:04 <E5|padshance> anyone here knows private websites with newgrfs? 21:25:11 <z-MaTRiX> ;< 21:25:31 <Belugas> private websites? 21:25:31 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16361 /trunk/src/network/network_content.cpp: -Fix: pointer incremented with wrong count 21:27:08 <E5|padshance> Belugas yes 21:27:37 <E5|padshance> like pikkawiki or george.zernebok 21:28:28 <planetmaker> dih: still around? 21:28:37 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:28:46 <Belugas> that is not private 21:28:53 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 21:28:54 <Belugas> what are you looking for exaclty? 21:29:10 <E5|padshance> new grfs 21:29:11 <E5|padshance> xD 21:29:14 <planetmaker> E5|padshance: bananas is private :P 21:29:19 <E5|padshance> like trains 21:29:23 <E5|padshance> and airplanes 21:29:25 <dih> planetmaker, yep 21:29:29 <planetmaker> and you know grf crawler? 21:29:30 <dih> what i can do for you? 21:29:36 <dih> yep 21:29:41 <planetmaker> can you compile nforenum on (your) mac? 21:29:42 <E5|padshance> grf crawler? 21:29:50 <dih> no 21:29:55 <E5|padshance> (i have bad english sorry im portuguese) 21:29:55 <planetmaker> I somewhat fail... :( 21:29:57 <dih> my mac broke :-( 21:29:57 <Nite_Owl> http://grfcrawler.tt-forums.net/ 21:30:00 * Belugas retreats away and goes home 21:30:03 <planetmaker> oh... :( 21:30:06 * dih cries 21:30:08 <E5|padshance> ohhhhhhh 21:30:11 <E5|padshance> :D 21:30:12 <E5|padshance> thanks 21:30:13 * planetmaker hugs dih 21:30:19 <dih> *sniff* 21:30:31 <E5|padshance> what does grf crwler? 21:30:33 <dih> cannot charge the battery anymore :-P 21:30:37 <E5|padshance> search many grf? 21:30:45 <Nite_Owl> I just happened to have the URL sitting on my clipboard 21:30:48 <planetmaker> well... does it work with a power cable, dih? 21:31:01 <Nite_Owl> go there and see 21:31:06 <planetmaker> E5|padshance: go and look 21:31:24 <E5|padshance> :D 21:31:26 <E5|padshance> okkk 21:31:28 <E5|padshance> ill see 21:31:28 <E5|padshance> xD 21:31:30 <E5|padshance> thanks 21:31:32 <dih> planetmaker, no - else i could charge :-P 21:31:38 <planetmaker> :P 21:31:58 <dih> my brother will try to repair it :-P 21:32:09 <planetmaker> he... 21:32:10 <dih> gravis wants something between 300 and 400 to repair it 21:32:16 <dih> and i aint gonna fork out that money for that 21:32:18 <planetmaker> whoot? That A LOT 21:32:39 <Nite_Owl> just needs a new battery no ? 21:32:52 <Ammler> my akku is broken either, seems virus going around eating akku s? 21:33:02 <planetmaker> yummy. Lithium 21:33:23 <Nite_Owl> only if you are bipolar 21:33:36 <Ammler> well, aber 2 years :-) 21:33:50 <dih> "or when you make breakfast, do you open the fridge, and throw all eggs, cheese, marmelade, salami, margarine, vegetables, milk, juice, barbeque sauce and mustard in a bowl, and then complain that the bowl is not big enough to hold the entire content of your fridge? do you think that'll even taste any good?" <- LOL @ Eddi|zuHause 21:34:09 <Eddi|zuHause> Nite_Owl: you like men and women? 21:34:37 <Nite_Owl> no polar bears 21:34:54 <Eddi|zuHause> dih: i had a similar one in the german forum just a few days ago 21:34:55 <Nite_Owl> usually in pairs 21:35:22 <dih> ploar bears in pairs? 21:35:31 <Eddi|zuHause> polar pairs? 21:35:37 <dih> in bares 21:35:41 <dih> *bears 21:35:49 <Eddi|zuHause> bare bears? 21:35:58 <dih> now that'd look funny 21:36:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i believe polar bears have black skin 21:36:27 <dih> now that's an amazing topic "Why do busses turn around?" 21:36:33 <planetmaker> yeah. And I trap polar bears by doing a coordinate transform to euclidean and then just pick up the square bears... 21:36:59 <dih> square polar bears pairs? 21:37:08 <dih> hihi 21:37:17 <dih> doing a line dance :-P 21:37:38 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i thought that only worked on lions 21:37:48 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Server closed connection] 21:37:55 <Nite_Owl> lithium is used to treat bipolar disorders - which is what started this digression 21:38:12 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 21:38:36 <fjb> I need a diagonal waypoint. :-( 21:39:06 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: try it... but it opens a big can of worms, because people will need two waypoints on the same tile 21:40:16 <Eddi|zuHause> would require a change to the way waypoint ids are calculated 21:40:41 <Eddi|zuHause> which means you might as well just remove waypoints and do diagonal stations instead 21:41:03 <fjb> I only need two of them, not on the same tile. Or something instead to put into the orders. 21:41:54 <Eddi|zuHause> or do the other idea: move waypoints to tile borders, and allow them to be placed on arbitrary rail tiles 21:42:28 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:42:33 <fjb> That sounds interesting. But is no solution in my actual game. 21:43:01 <Nite_Owl> move the tracks or alter the terrain 21:43:12 <Nite_Owl> or both 21:43:37 <fjb> I don't want do move that Mountain... 21:43:59 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it's the only idea that gives a unique advantage of waypoints over go-via-stations 21:44:23 *** racetrack [~racetrack@c114-76-16-69.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: no. just, no.] 21:44:33 <fjb> How far is the look ahead for nearest depot? 21:44:49 <Eddi|zuHause> 16 tiles. i believe 21:46:43 <planetmaker> ^^ 21:46:59 <fjb> Hm, I would have to add another waypoint then, but that is not the problem. Putting just a tile into the orders would also be fine... 21:49:59 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:49:59 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:50:01 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 21:57:56 <fjb> Or I need a landscape copy & paste patch. 22:00:37 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 22:00:47 *** [1]Mark [~Mark@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 22:00:51 *** Mark is now known as Guest3213 22:00:51 *** [1]Mark is now known as Mark 22:01:26 *** Guest3213 [~Mark@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:01:44 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:01:58 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:01:58 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEb16e.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:03:28 <luckz> is there any known issue with too many vehicles and/or cargo distribution causing clients to freeze during connection attempts? 22:03:49 <Eddi|zuHause> we do not support custom builds 22:10:14 <fjb> Hm, gosub and return would be a nice extension to the orders. 22:10:38 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-187-113.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 22:11:35 *** db48x [~db48x@64.218.49.85] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo] 22:14:59 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051177090.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 22:15:43 *** db48x [~db48x@64.218.49.85] has joined #openttd 22:18:37 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:21:26 <fjb> Problem is when an order "jumps" out of the subroutine and never uses return. 22:22:03 <fjb> Or recursive orders... 22:22:12 *** davis` [~iloveme@p5B28C6A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 22:23:25 <Eddi|zuHause> endless-looping orders are invalid even now, but with recursion it will be impossible to check 22:24:01 <Eddi|zuHause> early fortran versions limited the size of the call-stack, so you could only recurse up to depth 7 or so 22:24:30 <fjb> Some Basic interpreters did that too. 22:26:54 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 22:27:56 <fjb> Hm, no gosub, but a function. Oders outside that function are not jumpable. 22:28:56 <Eddi|zuHause> you need a distinction between goto and gosub to decide if you need to push the return address on the stack 22:29:39 <fjb> That is the easy part. Just make two kinds of jump oders. 22:30:29 <fjb> The hard part is to enforce pulling the return address from the stack. 22:30:47 <Eddi|zuHause> that's why they call that "return" 22:31:07 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 22:31:17 <Eddi|zuHause> goto-targets outside the current function are forbidden in any sane language 22:31:29 <fjb> But if the user doesn't use a return oder but jumps somewhere else? 22:31:52 <Eddi|zuHause> the jump target can be checked on compile time 22:32:09 <fjb> Do the orders get compiles? 22:32:30 <Eddi|zuHause> there are checking mechanisms in place, but i don't know what they do 22:37:00 <fjb> order_cmd.cpp: I love C++, you can freely mix multiple classes in one file. 22:37:49 <Eddi|zuHause> why would that be special? 22:38:11 *** theholyduck [~duckzorz@38.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 22:38:51 <theholyduck> how large of a map could i host for 2-3 players on a box with 64mb ram free? 22:38:57 <theholyduck> with openttd :P 22:39:08 <theholyduck> dedicated server obviously 22:39:17 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:40:17 <Eddi|zuHause> 64mb ram? you hardly fit one map in there... 22:40:19 <Xaroth> depends a big deal on CPU as well 22:40:26 <Xaroth> but probably.. not that big of a map either 22:40:50 <theholyduck> well im running a 256x256 map currently 22:40:55 <theholyduck> alone on it 22:41:05 <Xaroth> how full is it 22:41:05 * theholyduck starts building rails and sees what happens with mem consumption 22:41:24 <theholyduck> 29mb left! 22:41:24 <theholyduck> :D 22:41:39 <theholyduck> ofcourse i dont have much in the names of trains or anything yet 22:41:41 <Eddi|zuHause> a 256^2 map uses about 1MB by itself (each tile uses 9 byte) 22:42:07 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:42:19 <Eddi|zuHause> then you need additional space for the vehicles 22:42:25 <Xaroth> 576kb that be 22:42:28 <theholyduck> anyone wanna join up and just build stuff to see how far it will go 22:42:32 <Xaroth> +overhead 22:42:50 <PeterT> join what server 22:43:07 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 22:43:17 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 2**8*2**8*9 22:43:17 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 589824 22:43:23 <theholyduck> PeterT, im seeing how much my box with 64mb of unused ram can handle :P 22:43:27 <theholyduck> in terms of openttd 22:43:43 <Eddi|zuHause> well, you have a town pool, etc. 22:43:45 <PeterT> lol 22:43:53 <Xaroth> @calc (2**8*2**8*9)/1024 22:43:53 <DorpsGek> Xaroth: 576 22:44:29 <Eddi|zuHause> 64MB is really not a lot... 22:44:37 <theholyduck> indeed 22:44:44 <theholyduck> its just some old box i dont use for anything 22:45:03 <theholyduck> i wanna see how far it can go before i have to switch to one of my server laptops 22:45:05 <Eddi|zuHause> TT original used about 4MB, but had limit of 360 vehicles, i think 22:45:19 <Eddi|zuHause> (that is, each wagon is a vehicle) 22:45:35 <theholyduck> how can you live with that :D 22:45:44 <Eddi|zuHause> you started to notice when getting towards that limits, that the steam engines stopped to "puff" 22:45:53 <theholyduck> in other news, pbs' has made me lazy 22:46:08 <PeterT> theholyduck: hasnt it to all of us 22:46:14 <theholyduck> now i can build all sorts of station layouts and junctions that actually sorta work 22:46:19 <theholyduck> instead of spending effort on it 22:46:40 <theholyduck> but then again, before that, better pathfinding made me lazy 22:46:45 <Eddi|zuHause> on my 386 DX 25 i hit that limit about 1940 (i.e. after 10 years of playing) 22:47:16 <theholyduck> no more building waypoints to make your trains use the correct tracks 22:47:18 <Eddi|zuHause> the game was sooo slow, that i never even saw electric engines, until i played it on a 486 pc 22:47:34 <theholyduck> Eddi|zuHause, old man is old? 22:47:39 <Nite_Owl> try making them efficient for a large amount of traffic 22:47:49 <Eddi|zuHause> there are older people than me around here ;) 22:48:09 <theholyduck> Nite_Owl, well i've never bothered over 200-300 trains usually 22:48:21 <Eddi|zuHause> that's the type of computers people were using when TT came out 22:48:25 <theholyduck> after a while you hit that point where you just wanna sit back and draw cocks 22:49:26 <Nite_Owl> I have never reached that point thank you very much 22:50:15 <theholyduck> Nite_Owl, actually last time i was playing. after i felt nice and happy about my netowrk. i spent the next 30 years of the game teaching newbies in how to use signals and build propper junctions 22:52:03 <Nite_Owl> Need to feed - later all 22:52:18 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 22:54:01 *** oskari89 [oskari89@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff7cc100-243.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 22:56:49 <fjb> I'm getting other running costs after buying the vehicle in NARS 2. 22:59:05 <luckz> does vehicle amount increase the time it takes for a client to connect/sync? 22:59:24 *** Zorni [~zorn@d137187.adsl.hansenet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:59:31 <PeterT> how do i PM again? 22:59:53 <PeterT> @seen Yexo 22:59:53 <DorpsGek> PeterT: Yexo was last seen in #openttd 4 days, 5 hours, 5 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <Yexo> problem with that is that nearly all code uses the map. Effect: You're back without dual-core support 23:02:12 *** PeterT is now known as Peterewe 23:02:20 *** Peterewe is now known as PeterT 23:02:30 *** Zantor [46ed808a@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 23:03:04 <Zantor> anyone here? 23:03:35 <theholyduck> Zantor, no 23:03:44 <theholyduck> Zantor, if you want to say something why not just say it? 23:03:53 <theholyduck> who cares if you're talking to empty air :) 23:04:17 <Zantor> lol 23:04:20 <Zantor> hello 23:04:31 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-19-47.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:06:50 <z-MaTRiX> hi 23:06:51 <z-MaTRiX> <; 23:06:57 <z-MaTRiX> Zantor, what's up? 23:10:19 *** theholyduck [~duckzorz@38.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:11:16 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83CDD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:12:55 <PeterT> Zantor: hey 23:13:27 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81BE5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:13:30 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 23:16:39 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet538.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:16:43 <PeterT> what does "voice" mean? 23:16:51 <PeterT> ChanServ gives voice to tokai 23:16:53 <Zantor> hello 23:16:56 <PeterT> what does that mean 23:17:02 <PeterT> hi 23:17:11 <Zantor> umm 23:17:16 <z-MaTRiX> means you have rights to talk 23:17:21 <z-MaTRiX> :) 23:17:32 <Zantor> if someone has voice they can talk even if the channel gets locked down 23:17:38 <Zantor> in such a way that nobody can chat 23:17:54 <PeterT> oh 23:18:00 <PeterT> i understand 23:18:00 <Zantor> I wish I could find or build an external drive for <50 USD 23:20:16 <z-MaTRiX> hahah is it cool to start an OpenTTD game in 1650? 23:22:12 <PeterT> you cant even build anything 23:22:30 <z-MaTRiX> yep 23:22:41 <z-MaTRiX> just wondering how can i make money ;>> 23:23:18 <Zantor> heh 23:23:20 <Zantor> it's a toss-up 23:23:32 <z-MaTRiX> built 2 docks 23:23:35 <z-MaTRiX> without ships 23:23:36 <Zantor> I can get an enclosure and drive for about 60 USD or I can get an external drive for 50 or 60 USD 23:23:37 <z-MaTRiX> ;/ 23:23:40 <fjb> Starting in 1830 is possible. 23:23:52 <z-MaTRiX> though i would higher some indians with some boats... 23:23:54 <z-MaTRiX> if ? can 23:23:58 <z-MaTRiX> <; 23:24:02 <Zantor> think about when the steam locomotive was invented, and start then 23:25:10 <fjb> eGRVTS has vehicles from 1700 on. But that is not that much fun. NARS 2 has first steam locomotive in 1830. 23:25:50 <fjb> But you should disable inflation when starting that early. 23:27:12 <z-MaTRiX> wow terragenesis can do real continents 23:28:59 <z-MaTRiX> hehe 23:29:06 <z-MaTRiX> its interesting anyway 23:29:50 <Zantor> can terragenesis do parts of the US? 23:29:53 <fjb> My three coal mines got exhausted one after the other, almost at once. :-( 23:29:53 <z-MaTRiX> bank balance goes to negative by "other" 23:30:08 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 23:30:23 <Zantor> or maybe I misunderstand 23:30:24 <z-MaTRiX> loan:0 bank-balance:0 and nothing 23:30:45 <z-MaTRiX> Zantor, it is random i guess 23:31:05 <z-MaTRiX> just generating some interesting things 23:32:46 <Eddi|zuHause> there is a general substraction of 100 pounds every month, or something 23:33:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75594.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:33:18 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77CC5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:33:20 <z-MaTRiX> sure i guess have to eat something :) 23:33:25 <Eddi|zuHause> just for the company being there 23:33:44 <Zantor> Eddi 23:33:56 <Eddi|zuHause> Zantor: 23:33:56 <Zantor> that is corporate license renewal in the real world 23:34:11 <Zantor> businesses pay oh so much per year to register them 23:34:14 <z-MaTRiX> and food 23:34:15 <Zantor> yes, Eddi? 23:34:16 <z-MaTRiX> :) 23:34:17 <Zantor> lol 23:34:25 <Eddi|zuHause> nothing 23:34:36 <Eddi|zuHause> i just wanted to return the favour of saying my name 23:34:49 <Eddi|zuHause> by saying your name 23:35:49 <Zantor> ok... 23:36:03 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, it's the monthly upkeep of the company coffee maker 23:37:33 <z-MaTRiX> btw 23:37:45 <z-MaTRiX> why can't i bring water from the nearby ocean to town? 23:39:31 <PeterT> because its salt water 23:40:22 <z-MaTRiX> they don't have to know that ;> 23:40:37 <Eddi|zuHause> that's a genious idea... the whole ocean is full of water, why not drink it?... why has nobody got this idea before? 23:40:38 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-24-144-96.winn.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:40:40 <glx> @mode +m 23:40:43 *** mode/#openttd [+m] by DorpsGek 23:40:53 <glx> PeterT: voice is useful in this case :) 23:41:00 <glx> @mode -m 23:41:03 *** mode/#openttd [-m] by DorpsGek 23:41:12 *** mode/#openttd [+o SmatZ] by DorpsGek 23:41:13 <PeterT> @mode -m 23:41:16 *** mode/#openttd [+v SmatZ] by DorpsGek 23:41:24 <PeterT> can i have a voice? 23:41:36 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-24-144-96.winn.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 23:41:43 <SmatZ> why? 23:42:31 <z-MaTRiX> :) 23:42:36 <Eddi|zuHause> you can have your voice back, if you give up your legs 23:42:50 <SmatZ> :-D 23:42:58 <PeterT> ok 23:43:10 <SmatZ> I can voice you now, but you will lose it when you disconnect 23:43:22 * PeterT gives his legs to Eddi|zuHause 23:43:23 <Eddi|zuHause> (i'm sure nobody actually got the "arielle" reference :p) 23:43:24 <PeterT> ok 23:43:25 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-171-52-211.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:43:28 <PeterT> thanks smatz 23:43:38 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.23.10.24] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Would you like to know more?] 23:43:46 <glx> I can voice him too :) 23:43:50 *** mode/#openttd [+v PeterT] by SmatZ 23:43:56 <SmatZ> you can unvoice him as well ;) 23:44:03 <PeterT> what do i do now? 23:44:18 <SmatZ> the same you could before 23:44:28 <SmatZ> unless this channel is +m 23:44:33 <SmatZ> and it isn't 23:44:38 <PeterT> @channel = +m 23:44:38 <DorpsGek> PeterT: Error: 'supybot.=' is not a valid configuration variable. 23:44:45 <PeterT> @channel 23:44:45 <DorpsGek> PeterT: channel [<channel>] <name> [<value>] 23:44:52 <Eddi|zuHause> "the same thing we do evry night, pinky" 23:44:55 <SmatZ> PeterT: you can't change channel modes 23:44:59 <PeterT> ok 23:45:01 <PeterT> can you? 23:45:05 <KenjiE20|LT> "Try to take over the world" 23:45:07 <PeterT> i want to try out voice 23:45:07 <glx> Eddi|zuHause: fail? 23:45:35 <Eddi|zuHause> glx: which part? 23:45:41 <SmatZ> PeterT: this isn't #test nor #flood nor whatever :-/ 23:45:46 <PeterT> #test 23:45:49 <SmatZ> ... 23:45:53 <glx> it's the result of what they do every night 23:46:07 <SmatZ> join your own channel and test voice there :) 23:46:16 <SmatZ> /join #PeterTchan 23:46:18 <Eddi|zuHause> ? 23:46:20 <PeterT> my own channel? 23:47:21 <Eddi|zuHause> glx: you are speaking in riddles 23:47:30 <SmatZ> hehe 23:47:32 <PeterT> anyone care to join my server "! ! !SimulationNation World Map" 23:47:33 <Eddi|zuHause> and i am kind of ill, so... 23:47:43 <KenjiE20|LT> there once was a man from kentu... wait that's not right 23:47:57 <glx> I just did a quick jump to the end of the episode :) 23:48:09 <SmatZ> PeterT: there are more servers than players :( 23:48:15 <PeterT> cool 23:48:19 <PeterT> will you join mine? 23:48:25 <glx> devs don't play 23:48:27 <SmatZ> hehe 23:48:30 <KenjiE20|LT> ever 23:48:33 <Eddi|zuHause> hey, it's like 15 years ago that i watched that show... 23:48:33 <KenjiE20|LT> :P 23:48:38 <PeterT> SmatZ: players ONLINE, or players in total? 23:48:45 <Eddi|zuHause> and not even in english 23:48:46 <SmatZ> online 23:48:50 <PeterT> ok 23:48:54 <PeterT> thats probably true 23:49:00 <PeterT> how can devs not play 23:49:11 <PeterT> isnt that how you figure out bugs 23:49:17 <SmatZ> PeterT: Servers registered as on 2009-05-19 23:49:04 UTC. There are 81 clients, 150 IPv4 servers and 4 IPv6 servers. 23:49:19 <Eddi|zuHause> the more devs play, the less they dev 23:49:25 <KenjiE20|LT> ^ 23:49:28 <SmatZ> at http://servers.openttd.org 23:49:33 <PeterT> k 23:49:34 <glx> and everytime a dev play he finds something to change 23:49:37 <SmatZ> hehe 23:49:45 <KenjiE20|LT> and then 10 people go WRY!! 23:50:09 <PeterT> SmatZ: how long would it take to code a search in multiplayer? 23:50:21 <glx> TMWFTLB 23:50:36 <Eddi|zuHause> what kind of search? 23:50:38 <SmatZ> as glx said 23:50:46 <glx> I guess it's player search 23:51:16 <PeterT> search like, search thourgh names of servers 23:51:31 <Eddi|zuHause> there is a server filter patch in the forum 23:51:45 <SmatZ> hmm as well as "filter signs" patch 23:51:52 <SmatZ> someone should really commit them :-p 23:52:03 <PeterT> i know the server filter patch 23:52:08 <PeterT> it doesnt have a search 23:52:11 <glx> someone's todo list is too big 23:52:22 <SmatZ> @seen someone 23:52:22 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: someone was last seen in #openttd 1 year, 16 weeks, 3 days, 4 hours, 59 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: * Someone here is gay 23:52:43 <SmatZ> he's not really active :-/ 23:53:25 <Eddi|zuHause> but it's an awesome "last words" line :p 23:53:36 <Belugas> [19:52] <Eddi|zuHause> the more devs play, the less they dev <-- damned... petern, we should store away guit and synth and start deving... 23:53:37 <SmatZ> ;) 23:54:01 <SmatZ> hehe 23:54:11 <Eddi|zuHause> Belugas: yes, and give up wives and kids while at it :p 23:54:20 <Belugas> and kitty!!! 23:54:45 <Belugas> but i'll keep the beer, if you don't mind 23:54:49 <SmatZ> :-p 23:55:27 <Belugas> speaking of which (all of the above), it's time :D 23:57:05 <SmatZ> time for kid, wife, guitar and beer? at once? :-p 23:58:34 <Eddi|zuHause> you forgot kitty 23:59:07 <SmatZ> aww kitty :3