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00:00:56 *** `Fuco`` [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:01:44 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/03/07 00:45:02 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 00:02:25 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177226113.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 00:10:06 *** Zorni [~zorn@e177228177.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:22:09 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:37:27 *** Tekky [~chatzilla@DSL01.83.171.148.25.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.1/20090715094852]] 00:39:04 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 00:51:22 *** Chruker [~no@0x5da34ce4.vjnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [] 01:12:31 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-171-245-188.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:13:56 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.207.227] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0-rc2] 01:26:02 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@host86-144-20-57.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:38:26 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 01:44:37 *** Zuu [~Zuu@S0106000f3d50466b.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 01:51:56 *** Zuu [~Zuu@S0106000f3d50466b.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:03:41 *** Neko-Master [~Nekomaste@bas6-toronto12-1128538595.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 02:04:05 <Neko-Master> Hello 02:05:05 <Neko-Master> Any one around? 02:05:45 *** Neko-Master [~Nekomaste@bas6-toronto12-1128538595.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [] 02:08:05 <Sacro> Yes 02:08:10 <Tefad> no. 02:09:13 *** Zuu [~Zuu@S0106000f3d50466b.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 02:12:22 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a041:e245:a7d0:dd5] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:23:30 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:23:47 *** Zuu [~Zuu@S0106000f3d50466b.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:08:25 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:11:00 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:12:51 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:22:59 *** dh2k3 [~Dave@adsl-99-141-243-57.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 03:23:58 <dh2k3> question: where do we add the line wait_oneway_signal 255 at? 03:25:08 <dh2k3> it says to add it under [patches] but when I open the .cfg file it's not listed 03:27:13 <Eddi|zuHause> dh2k3: the documentation is probably old 03:27:46 <dh2k3> k so where do we add that line then if the documentation is old? 03:27:54 <dh2k3> I'm using 0.7.1 03:28:19 <Eddi|zuHause> looks like in [pf] here 03:29:13 <Eddi|zuHause> and while at it, update the piece of documentation that your are reading 03:29:36 <Eddi|zuHause> the [patches] section is obsolete 03:30:03 <Eddi|zuHause> the settings have been split into more meaningful categories 03:30:21 <Eddi|zuHause> the sun is coming up, i should go to bed 03:31:32 <dh2k3> so in [pf] add that line then? 03:31:57 <Eddi|zuHause> if you have run openttd previously, every line should already be there 03:32:52 <dh2k3> now if I play multiplayer will that line work for me or will it apply to the whole server? 03:33:17 *** Yrol [~Yrol@BAE488a.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 03:33:44 <Eddi|zuHause> it should be a company setting, but maybe it defaults to the server setting 03:34:11 <Eddi|zuHause> you should try changing it from the ingame console when you are in a multiplayer game 03:34:27 <dh2k3> that's assuming that I have the rcon pw 03:34:58 <Eddi|zuHause> you don't need rcon to try to change your own settings 03:35:10 <Eddi|zuHause> rcon is for changing server settings 03:35:49 <dh2k3> yes but if I play multiplayer will my setting work or will the servers be the one that's being used? 03:36:00 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@index.linuxsecured.net] has joined #openttd 03:36:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i told you to try that exact thing 03:36:43 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't usually play multiplayer 03:37:55 <Eddi|zuHause> if the server forces the setting, you should get an error message 03:38:04 <Yrol> (dh2k3) you have problems with your server? 03:38:32 <dh2k3> only with oneway as I think servers default to 15 according to the config 03:38:57 <dh2k3> I'm wondering if I play on multiplayer will my 255 setting work or will it default to the servers 15 setting? 03:39:05 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:40:05 <Yrol> (dh2k3) ah, so you dont have any problems, fine. 03:40:29 <dh2k3> not with ottd :) 03:40:50 <dh2k3> just wondering about if a local setting takes presidence over the servers 03:41:35 <Eddi|zuHause> you could have tried that 10 times by now 03:41:38 <Yrol> i wonder.. shall u get my pliers? to get it out of your nose i mean 03:41:56 <Yrol> u=i 03:42:22 <Yrol> right, Eddi|zuHause, if he would be intersted in solving it, he would be more open to help 03:43:07 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:43:13 *** dh2k3 [~Dave@adsl-99-141-243-57.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:44:52 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-171-245-188.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:45:25 <Yrol> and yet, i think, i know, what he wanted to know. 'twas about that waiting x time at a red signal before turning the train around", right? 03:50:22 <z-MaTRiX> hey-ho 03:59:43 *** [1]GregVernon [~Greg@user-0c9aat3.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 04:02:54 *** Zuu [~Zuu@S0106000f3d50466b.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 04:05:46 *** GregVernon [~Greg@user-0c9aat3.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:05:46 *** [1]GregVernon is now known as GregVernon 04:40:06 *** J_Darnley [~jamesdarn@d54C280AB.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:46:36 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:46:51 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 05:03:49 *** Pygma [~quassel@88.151.27.234] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:39:00 *** Wolle [DrJekyll@p57B0B7B1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.lagerwiki.de - das Wiki rund um's Thema Lager und Logistik] 05:49:20 *** GregVernon [~Greg@user-0c9aat3.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:49:56 *** GregVernon [~Greg@user-0c9aat3.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 06:03:06 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.76] has joined #openttd 06:19:04 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.164.178] has joined #openttd 06:34:03 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.203.220] has joined #openttd 06:38:57 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@188.126.204.193] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:41:13 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@188.126.204.193] has joined #openttd 07:11:08 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 07:22:43 *** LuciusMare [~tomas@187.110.broadband4.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 07:22:47 <LuciusMare> hello 07:23:10 <Rubidium> ave! 07:23:17 <Yrol> Hello, LuciusMare. 07:23:25 <LuciusMare> i built a railway between an iron ore and steel mill 07:23:38 <LuciusMare> then i found that there is a factory and a farm near 07:23:55 <LuciusMare> so i built another one 07:24:13 <LuciusMare> and how do i make it LOAD on the farm,LOAD on the steel mill and then UNLOAD in the factory? 07:24:16 <LuciusMare> just standard goto? 07:24:45 <Noldo> should work there 07:25:35 <Yrol> (LuciusMare) as long as it aint the same goods, i guess so. 07:39:28 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 07:40:55 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 07:43:02 <Zuu> LuciusMare, If I understand your situation correctly you want to use "full load (any)" 07:45:16 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:56:47 *** Zuu [~Zuu@S0106000f3d50466b.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:03:56 *** PeterT [~Peter@217.20.134.23] has joined #openttd 08:18:04 *** [1]GregVernon [~Greg@user-0c9aat3.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 08:23:07 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 08:23:35 *** GregVernon [~Greg@user-0c9aat3.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:23:35 *** [1]GregVernon is now known as GregVernon 08:27:36 *** PeterT [~Peter@217.20.134.23] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:51:59 *** Yrol [~Yrol@BAE488a.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Quit: MOOOOOOOOOO?????] 08:53:24 *** Nickman87 [~nick.defr@11.23-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #openttd 08:54:35 *** kingj is now known as KingJ 08:59:23 *** KingJ is now known as kingj 09:05:44 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:06:01 *** tdev [~udev@p508EB811.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:07:52 *** kingj is now known as KingJ 09:12:08 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-54405fb1.wfd77b.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:39:38 <TrueBrain> pompiedom 09:42:37 *** tdev [~udev@p508EB811.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:44:17 <Prof_Frink> /me boulders at TrueBrain 09:44:32 * Prof_Frink kicks leading spaces 09:44:40 <TrueBrain> you like that? 09:44:55 <TrueBrain> I am not going this week .. really sucks :( 09:45:06 <Prof_Frink> I'm going... to Font. 09:45:13 <TrueBrain> lucky you :) 09:54:59 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 09:55:31 <Rubidium> ah, TrueBrain blessed us with his presence... can only mean one thing! 09:55:52 <TrueBrain> yes? 09:56:00 <Rubidium> lunch time! 09:56:09 <TrueBrain> ah .. enjoy :) 10:01:08 <LuciusMare> aw 10:01:32 <LuciusMare> i built a bus service between two <2000 cities but i get only 25$for each travel 10:01:47 <Forked> lousy service : 10:01:48 <Forked> p 10:04:03 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@98.223.98.3] has joined #openttd 10:04:04 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest28 10:04:04 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 10:11:11 *** Guest28 [~Dale@98.223.98.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:14:32 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DD8E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:23:20 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@p54B824DB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:25:32 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@p54B80982.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:26:43 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 10:42:15 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:55:00 <dihedral> oh my fucking word! 10:55:16 <dihedral> such a stupid dev at work 10:55:37 <dihedral> complains that he cannot svn copy to an unversioned folder 10:55:52 <dihedral> or that his commit fails (adding an already existing file) 10:56:04 <dihedral> ... and that he does not understand the error message 10:57:03 <dihedral> or why an svn diff on an unversioned file compares with an empty file.... "but the file does exist on the server"..... 10:57:05 <dihedral> idiots 10:57:25 <dihedral> my flipping word 10:57:39 <dihedral> i'd say - time for lunch :-P 10:58:04 * TrueBrain writes an email to dihedral's boss 10:58:05 <TrueBrain> ghehe 10:58:17 <planetmaker> :-P 10:58:20 <planetmaker> salut 10:58:54 <Forked> "dear dihedral's boss. He needs new co-workers. Signed the OpenTTD team. (PS: We're looking for a job)" 10:59:08 <planetmaker> hahaha :-) 10:59:28 <TrueBrain> yeah, lets all work for dihedral's boss 10:59:31 <TrueBrain> that should make him happy :) 10:59:37 <TrueBrain> or at least .. makes sure he can't wine aboutit here ;) 10:59:54 *** Svish|eee [~Svish@84.20.108.32] has joined #openttd 11:00:11 <planetmaker> honestly... I think I prefer to work here :-) 11:00:27 <TrueBrain> me too :) 11:04:01 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 11:04:47 <SirSquidness> I reckon I'd be willing to work for dihedral 's boss if I got paid airfares, given a house to live in away from home, relocation emotional stress allowance, etc, etc 11:05:14 <SirSquidness> can't forget the RDO's to get to know my new area 11:05:15 <Forked> or just have a home office 11:05:16 <Forked> :p 11:05:24 <SirSquidness> sssssh 11:05:29 <SirSquidness> I'm trying to get as much money as possible out of this deal 11:05:30 <SirSquidness> :p 11:07:21 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.3.7.35] has joined #openttd 11:19:14 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@host86-144-20-57.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:20:42 <TrueBrain> I hate to be the first rang helpdesk ... stupid user with stupid questions 11:20:48 <TrueBrain> I am glad when my colleges are back ... 11:20:54 <TrueBrain> then they can take over that job again :p 11:21:05 <TrueBrain> if dihedral thinks his devs are stupid .. he should try my phone for a day 11:32:52 <SirSquidness> you get first level tech support? Ooooh... I do not pity you. At all. 11:34:53 *** Tekky [~chatzilla@DSL01.83.171.148.25.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #openttd 11:38:01 <TrueBrain> normally I run third ... which is fine by me 11:38:04 <TrueBrain> but first .. omg ... 11:38:32 <TrueBrain> "what does that icon in front of my list mean?!" - "that means that the email is in your address book" 11:38:41 <TrueBrain> had that question 4 times this week alone :s 11:39:00 <SirSquidness> ... wow. 11:39:02 <TrueBrain> okay, in all fairness Horde did give it a crappy name .. "personal" 11:39:09 <TrueBrain> stupid name to give it .. but okay .. still .. 11:39:16 <SirSquidness> that's no excuse 11:39:17 <TrueBrain> I never noticed the icon at all till I got the question the first time :p 11:39:53 <SirSquidness> I've never noticed the icon 11:40:02 <SirSquidness> but then again.. I have no idea which program you're talking about :P 11:40:11 <TrueBrain> Horde 11:40:46 <SirSquidness> Never heard of it :P 11:41:05 <TrueBrain> then you are not known with the software in the mail sector :) 11:41:16 <SirSquidness> this is a correct assumption to make. 11:41:30 <TrueBrain> it is the most used webmail :) 11:41:36 <TrueBrain> most ISPs implement it 11:41:49 <SirSquidness> ah, ok, maybe I have used it, but just never noticed it's name 11:41:51 <TrueBrain> some do SquirrelWeb, but that is dying out :) 11:45:56 <Prof_Frink> RoundCube :) 11:46:08 <TrueBrain> still very beta 11:46:19 <TrueBrain> not something any sane ISP should roll out :) 11:46:48 <planetmaker> he. Horde doesn't have too bad an interface 11:47:06 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: nope 11:47:08 <TrueBrain> just a few weird stuff 11:47:14 <TrueBrain> and: it doesn't tell you when you forwarded a message 11:47:17 <TrueBrain> which always pisses me off 11:47:21 <Prof_Frink> orudge: You're insane. 11:48:06 <planetmaker> Never noticed that, TrueBrain 11:49:17 <planetmaker> but usually I don't care as I use a real mail client 11:49:39 <TrueBrain> ;) 11:53:38 <Rubidium> the lovely ambiguities of English... (real mail) client or real (mail client) 11:53:59 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: and Dutch doesn't have that? :) 11:54:38 <Eddi|zuHause> at least in german the declination of the attribute often gives away to which word it belongs to 11:55:50 <TrueBrain> svn.client.log3([str(url).rstrip("/")], rt, rt, rt, 1, True, False, logUrlCallback, client_ctx, pool) 11:55:56 <TrueBrain> lovely, that 'Python SVN library' 11:56:05 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: not really, in that case at least: post client vs echte e-mailclient 11:56:05 <TrueBrain> this is even better: 11:56:07 <TrueBrain> diff = svn.client.diff([], str(url).rstrip("/"), rt, str(url2).rstrip("/"), rt2, False, False, True, temp, temp, client_ctx, pool) 11:56:22 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: echt mail client 11:56:27 <TrueBrain> dunno .. gives me the same problem 11:56:37 <TrueBrain> echt mail programma 11:56:43 <TrueBrain> might be a better translation :p 11:57:10 <TrueBrain> I guess it will be 'echte' if you mean the other 11:57:11 <TrueBrain> fair enough :p 11:57:19 <Eddi|zuHause> well, in that case, "mail" is not used in a german translation of "real mail" :p 11:58:52 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, it would be "echte Post", "echtes Programm" or "echter Klient" 11:59:16 <TrueBrain> # or thought about me secretly 11:59:36 <Eddi|zuHause> where "Post" is female, "Programm" is neutral and "Klient" is male 12:00:00 <TrueBrain> # do I make you wonder at all 12:00:05 <TrueBrain> # about the speed of light 12:00:10 <TrueBrain> lalalaa 12:00:13 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: so there's no distinction between Firebird/Outlook/KMail and telnet in German? They're all 'echtes Programm' (+plural) 12:00:19 <TrueBrain> (guess the song, ghehehe :p) 12:00:20 *** Svish|eee [~Svish@84.20.108.32] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:00:37 <TrueBrain> Firebird? :p 12:00:42 <TrueBrain> that name is BANNED! 12:01:10 <TrueBrain> (as I doubt you were refering to the database :p) 12:01:13 <OwenS> TrueBrain: He may have refered to the database :p 12:01:14 <OwenS> lol 12:01:16 <TrueBrain> ;) 12:01:27 <Rubidium> oh, thunderbird then... why must they keep changing names? 12:01:28 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: each of them is an "echtes Programm", but all of them together are "echte Programme" 12:01:39 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: it is like that for years now :p 12:01:39 <OwenS> Rubidium: The mail client ha sALWAYS been thunderbird 12:01:47 <Eddi|zuHause> i didn't say _ALL_ cases where distinguishable 12:02:09 <Rubidium> OwenS: I'm just happy with iceweasel and icedove ;) 12:02:18 <TrueBrain> stupid Debian 12:02:20 <OwenS> I'm just happy with Opera :p 12:02:39 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: hasn't much to do with Debian 12:02:45 <Eddi|zuHause> but this does not apply to this case, as it was clearly referring to "a client" 12:02:50 <Eddi|zuHause> (singular) 12:03:02 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: the names kind of do :p 12:03:34 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm using KMail, not sure if that is making me any kind of happy... 12:03:52 <Eddi|zuHause> i think our university uses squirrelmail 12:04:02 <TrueBrain> is old 12:04:05 <TrueBrain> and kind of sucky :p 12:04:24 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: no, the reason why the names are different in Debian is that Debian doesn't like to distribute 'non-free' stuff in their 'free' repository. As a result the non-free images are scrubbed from Firefox/Thunderbird, which by license requires them to rename the application. If it isn't the EXACT same source as Firefox, it may not be called Firefox 12:04:42 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: so again I say: stupid Debian, they picked those names 12:04:57 <TrueBrain> it was all Debian, who made up those names 12:05:03 <TrueBrain> so don't tell me it isn't, as it is :) 12:05:07 <Eddi|zuHause> so they are thunderfox and firebird? :p 12:05:19 <Rubidium> but only because they were forced by mozilla 12:05:24 <TrueBrain> I don't care 12:05:29 <TrueBrain> if I force you to rob a bank 12:05:31 <TrueBrain> you still did 12:06:10 <Rubidium> depending on the proof it's quite likely that I would not be jailed and you would 12:06:18 <TrueBrain> so? You still did rob the bank 12:06:34 <Eddi|zuHause> but the registered name thing is going to be a problem for free software in the future 12:06:37 <TrueBrain> reasoning doesn't take away the act 12:06:49 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: is going to be? It is for a long time now :) 12:07:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean the problem is only growing to be bigger ;) 12:07:21 <TrueBrain> welcome in the world of exploiting :) 12:07:28 <TrueBrain> Free is rarely as free as one might think :p 12:07:41 <TrueBrain> or hope, I guess 12:15:27 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:18:33 <dihedral> :-P 12:18:38 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Never underestimate the power of stupidity.] 12:20:39 *** Svish|eee [~Svish@84.20.108.32] has joined #openttd 12:20:56 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:32:56 *** Svish|eee [~Svish@84.20.108.32] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:33:16 *** Svish|eee [~Svish@84.20.108.32] has joined #openttd 12:56:54 *** Fox [~Flop@217.72.209.42] has joined #openttd 12:57:18 *** Fox [~Flop@217.72.209.42] has quit [] 12:57:27 *** Fox [~Flop@217.72.209.42] has joined #openttd 12:58:15 <Fox> got a question about distance and profit calculation. which exact distance is taken? 13:03:58 <Eddi|zuHause> manhattan, i believe 13:04:21 <Eddi|zuHause> of the two station signs 13:06:56 <Fox> ah ok, danke dir ^^ 13:07:17 <Eddi|zuHause> the topic still says something about the language... 13:07:32 <LuciusMare> <offtopic>What does overgeneralization mean? </offtopic> 13:08:19 <Eddi|zuHause> that you exaggerate with the generalization 13:08:56 <dihedral> everybody generalizes all the time! 13:08:59 <Rubidium> "a few people in this channel are German, thus all people in this channel are German" 13:09:06 <LuciusMare> oh 13:09:13 <LuciusMare> i think i understand 13:09:15 <dihedral> jawohl 13:09:45 <LuciusMare> then what does this have to do with this: http://catb.org/jargon/html/overgeneralization.html 13:09:46 <LuciusMare> ? 13:10:02 <Eddi|zuHause> a sociologist, a physichist and a mathmatician go into a foreign country and see two black sheep 13:10:06 <Fox> kk, thx eddi 13:10:14 <Eddi|zuHause> sociologist: all sheep are black in this country 13:10:34 <Eddi|zuHause> physichist: no, you can only say there are two black sheep in this country 13:10:40 *** Spoons [faux@molotov.compsoc.warwick.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: REBOOT AGAIN] 13:10:58 <Eddi|zuHause> mathmatician: no, you can only say there are two sheep that are black on at least one side in this country 13:11:44 <Rubidium> LuciusMare: they generalised a rule and applied it to other words 13:11:54 <LuciusMare> *blink* 13:11:56 <LuciusMare> thank you 13:11:57 <LuciusMare> :) 13:13:20 <blathijs> TrueBrain: You would rather have had Debian nog ship Firefox at all? 13:13:35 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 13:13:46 <TrueBrain> blathijs: you clearly misunderstood my comment as much as Rubidium did :) 13:13:50 <TrueBrain> I just blamed Debian for those names 13:13:52 <TrueBrain> that is all 13:15:08 <blathijs> TrueBrain: You have better suggestions? :-) 13:15:14 *** Spoons [faux@molotov.compsoc.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 13:16:42 <TrueBrain> blathijs: plenty! But they didn't like any of them ... :p 13:17:55 <blathijs> :-p 13:19:58 <Fox> is there an easy way to measure distances in game? like a small tool? 13:20:17 <Rubidium> Fox: yes 13:20:51 <Fox> ^^ how? 13:21:12 <Fox> aah i see ^^ got it 13:21:13 <Rubidium> http://wiki.openttd.org/Advanced_Settings/Interface#Show_a_measurement_tooltip_when_using_various_build-tools 13:26:14 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 13:26:17 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 13:26:43 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:f88b:b5f9:f853:6f3d] has joined #openttd 13:26:46 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:27:46 <Belugas> hello 13:30:33 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.203.220] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:35:47 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 13:36:25 <Tekky> hi Belugas :) 13:40:04 <Belugas> hello Tekky 13:49:29 *** `Fuco`` [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 13:53:27 <TrueBrain> I hate talking in a phone 13:53:28 <TrueBrain> blegh 13:55:46 * Rubidium tries to imagine that... 13:55:54 <Rubidium> ... looks a bit like http://www.thephonecar.com/tel3.jpg 13:56:21 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:58:00 <TrueBrain> weird mind you have Rubidium 14:01:05 <z-MaTRiX> hi ;> 14:01:31 <DorpsGek> hello z-MaTRiX 14:02:01 <z-MaTRiX> hows life? 14:02:15 <DorpsGek> I am a bit rusty 14:02:25 <DorpsGek> But I hope that will be fixed after a nice checkup soon 14:02:26 <DorpsGek> you? 14:02:41 <z-MaTRiX> just having hdd issues with a 400GB samsung 14:02:53 <DorpsGek> Samsung is rubbish anyway 14:02:53 <z-MaTRiX> smart errors came 14:03:08 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 14:03:09 <z-MaTRiX> what would you use? 14:03:16 <DorpsGek> a toaster! 14:03:30 <blathijs> Seagate ftw :-) 14:03:40 <TrueBrain> blathijs: seagate? You are insane :) 14:03:52 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah really... 14:04:01 <Eddi|zuHause> i only ever had problems with seagate 14:04:08 <z-MaTRiX> well actually had seagate gone badsector land 14:04:20 <DorpsGek> did you send a rescue party? 14:04:41 <z-MaTRiX> no, just started to get bad sectors 14:04:45 <z-MaTRiX> then replaced 14:04:52 <DorpsGek> you should send them back to their own country 14:05:47 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.215.251] has joined #openttd 14:05:51 *** TheStarLion [~isaac@user-54462c1f.lns2-c12.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:06:10 *** TheStarLion [~isaac@user-54462c1f.lns2-c12.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [] 14:06:43 <z-MaTRiX> btw samsung hdd worked fine for 1.5 years 24/7 (3year warranty) 14:07:09 <z-MaTRiX> it could do 14000 working hours 14:07:15 <DorpsGek> my HDs always only work 12/5 14:07:18 <DorpsGek> I hate them for that 14:11:24 <LadyHawk> last time i checked on my HD it had a warning saying it's running overhours 14:11:38 <LadyHawk> (24/7) 14:11:39 <LadyHawk> lol 14:11:56 <z-MaTRiX> hehe 14:12:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.164.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:28:58 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:29:06 *** LuciusMare [~tomas@187.110.broadband4.iol.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:35:28 *** Chruker [~no@0x5da34ce4.vjnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:57:59 *** Zuu [~Zuu@S0106000f3d50466b.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 15:08:07 *** Zuu [~Zuu@S0106000f3d50466b.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:16:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16991 /trunk/src/rail_gui.cpp: -Change: make 'remove waypoint' draggable 15:17:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16992 /trunk/src/ai/api/ (ai_rail.cpp ai_rail.hpp ai_rail.hpp.sq): -Add [NoAI]: function to clear waypoint(s) in a certain rectangle on the map 15:33:12 *** Chruker [~no@0x5da34ce4.vjnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:38:56 *** Wolle [DrJekyll@p57B0F842.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:56:45 <Belugas> damned :( i do not have that image of baby birds waiting for mom to feed them... 15:56:59 <Belugas> left it on the other server, i guess 15:57:10 * TrueBrain hugs Belugas 15:57:19 <Rubidium> noes! 15:57:19 <Belugas> that Rocker boy wold deserve it! 15:57:25 <Rubidium> now we're all going to die :( 15:57:42 <Belugas> naaaa... it came from the web, it shall be found on the web! 15:58:24 <Rubidium> hmm, based on that: TrueBrain, Supernova was wrong in the beginning because a formula was incorrect so all further calculations were wrong too ;) 15:59:14 <TrueBrain> based on WHAT?! 15:59:58 <Rubidium> more wrong formulae I guess 16:00:19 <TrueBrain> sometimes it looks like you had a complete conversation in your head 16:00:21 <TrueBrain> and forgot to tell us 16:00:44 <Rubidium> oh, no... the "now we're all going to die" 16:00:58 <Rubidium> was a quote from that same piece of fiction 16:01:33 <TrueBrain> I think Rubidium is losing it ... 16:01:44 <Rubidium> I've lost it long ago 16:01:58 <Belugas> that's why he's among the devs... 16:02:02 <TrueBrain> but it rapidly is growing worse :) 16:02:27 <Belugas> look who is talking ;) 16:02:30 <Belugas> buwhahaha! 16:02:40 <TrueBrain> Belugas: I am pretty stable for the past few years :p 16:02:50 <TrueBrain> it was never any good in the first place ;) 16:06:46 *** Chruker [~no@0x5da34ce4.vjnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:07:04 <Belugas> hehe 16:19:56 * Rubidium thinks Belugas found the link 16:20:49 <Belugas> not exactly the same, but pretty close :D 16:29:17 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 16:32:47 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 16:33:11 <Yexo> good evening 16:54:36 *** MizardX [MizardX@h-28-236.A159.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:54:42 *** MizardX [MizardX@h-28-236.A159.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 16:57:29 *** thisismynick [~chatzilla@95.72.4.182] has joined #openttd 17:02:31 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe2eb.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 17:23:46 *** DPyro [ad4a9c0c@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 17:24:24 <DPyro> anyone know how i can get the loading percents back? 17:25:15 <Eddi|zuHause> ctrl+x 17:27:07 *** Pygma [~quassel@88.151.27.234] has joined #openttd 17:28:48 <DPyro> ty :) 17:35:35 *** thisismynick [~chatzilla@95.72.4.182] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.1/20090715094852]] 17:40:10 *** Tekky_ [~chatzilla@DSL01.83.171.175.116.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #openttd 17:42:24 <Belugas> arghh... Terkhen, Tekky... i'm all confused now... :S 17:44:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16993 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 2 dirs): -Change: make the rail waypoint builder draggable 17:44:28 *** Tekky__ [~chatzilla@DSL01.83.171.145.238.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #openttd 17:44:39 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:44:58 <Rubidium> Belugas: Tekky__, Tekky_, Tekky ... now that's confusing 17:45:05 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: and all another IP ;) 17:45:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r16994 /trunk/src/lang/ (5 files): 17:45:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: simplified_chinese - 3 changes by Gavin 17:45:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: finnish - 5 changes by jpx_ 17:45:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 6 changes by Roujin 17:45:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: hungarian - 2 changes by IPG 17:45:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: italian - 7 changes by lorenzodv 17:45:42 *** Tekky [~chatzilla@DSL01.83.171.148.25.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:46:55 <Belugas> indeed Rubidium, indeed... 17:47:20 <Belugas> taht reminds me of something i loved doing when been bored by my work... 17:47:44 *** Tekky_ was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [you're one too much!] 17:50:10 * frosch123 is always happen when wondering about Wednesday/Thursday results in Thursday 17:51:32 *** Nickman87 [~nick.defr@11.23-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:52:00 <Eddi|zuHause> that sentence does not parse... 17:52:22 <frosch123> s/en/y/ 17:52:33 *** Tekky [~chatzilla@DSL01.83.171.159.73.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #openttd 17:52:34 <Eddi|zuHause> that part i did figure out ;) 17:52:48 *** Tekky__ was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [not needed anymore] 17:53:00 <Rubidium> so it's dinner time I reckon ;) 17:53:53 <frosch123> well, Thursday evening is always better than Wednesday evening 17:54:11 <Belugas> what is even more pleasant is... saturday morning 17:54:41 <frosch123> don't know, then I am always asleep 17:54:56 <Belugas> you don't have a kid yet :) 17:55:07 <Belugas> VERY hard to sleep on a saturday morning ;) 17:58:40 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 18:19:31 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 18:21:46 *** TMS [~Will@75-136-132-146.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com] has joined #openttd 18:22:30 <TMS> I want to run a server, text only, if I don't have X installed on a Linux box can I still run a dedicated server? 18:22:39 <TrueBrain> yes 18:22:40 <Spoons> Yes. 18:23:14 <TrueBrain> (you could also just have tried ... :p) 18:23:47 <TMS> well, I'm about to install Debian on an old machine for a server box I plan on using 18:24:02 <TMS> so I just wanted to know if I really need to install X just to run a dedicated server 18:25:10 <TrueBrain> you really don't need to :) 18:25:20 <TMS> right. 18:25:28 <TMS> ...will it run in the background or hog the command line 18:25:36 <TMS> I've seen it do both >.> 18:25:39 <TrueBrain> depends how you start it :) 18:25:53 <Belugas> usually, at the count of 3 18:25:54 <Eddi|zuHause> http://erdgeist.org/Fax200907301505242.pdf <- my dutch is a little rusty, this appears to say that thepiratebay has to pay 30.000EUR for each day they are running a tracker service in 3.3, but i can't figure out what the other points say 18:25:55 <Belugas> 1.. 18:25:56 <Belugas> 2... 18:25:58 <Belugas> 3... 18:25:59 <Belugas> GO! 18:26:12 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: lol :) Let me read ... 18:26:23 <OwenS> In a push I may install the X clients, but not the server on a server 18:27:21 <TrueBrain> WTF?! 18:27:41 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: 1.3 says that because they didn't give their 'counter arguments' in a valid format, it is denied 18:27:50 <TrueBrain> like they should be instant knowers of Dutch law or what ever .. 18:28:38 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: well, it's simple... you don't come to the hearing, you haven't given counter arguments 18:29:02 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: well, you can do it on writing 18:29:02 <Rubidium> ofcourse going to a hearing when detained abroad is somewhat difficult... 18:29:08 <TrueBrain> but they failed to do that in the correct format, so to say 18:29:16 <TrueBrain> this is just stupid 18:29:28 <TrueBrain> really .. stupid .. is that how we treat people from other nations :s 18:29:31 <TrueBrain> but okay .. reading on ... 18:29:34 <TrueBrain> 2.3 is funny 18:29:48 <Eddi|zuHause> why would they come to the hearing if they haven't been notified properly? 18:30:01 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: well, the writing which says that, is not accepted in court 18:30:11 <TrueBrain> as it was not written in a way (or date, for that matter), that is accepted by dutch law 18:30:37 <TrueBrain> LOL! Counter-argument of BREIN: we did sent them an email 18:30:39 <TrueBrain> so they did know about it 18:31:01 <TrueBrain> TPB mistake: they once did reply on an email to the same address 18:31:45 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: that's like me sending you a letter now, getting a reply and when you've moved sending it again means that you've received it 18:31:55 <OwenS> This court case sounds like the time a US court ordered Spamahus to pay a company something like mil. Spamhaus haven't paid it and never turned up in court - the ydon't operate in the US... 18:32:03 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: well, 2.4 goes on telling BREIN really did attempt to send them the message 18:32:05 <TrueBrain> and they did receive it 18:32:38 <TrueBrain> so I have to say: TPB fucked up 18:33:16 <TrueBrain> 2.5 says that the court is right and they find the verdict valid (really? What a suprise :p) 18:34:03 <OwenS> Question is; Are TPB bound by said verdict at all? 18:34:11 <TrueBrain> OwenS: by EU laws .. possible 18:34:44 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: they have 30 days to make sure TPB is not reachable from The Netherlands 18:34:53 <TrueBrain> after that, 30.000 euro per day, with a max of 3M 18:35:19 <Eddi|zuHause> they would need cooperation of swedish authorities to enforce the verdict, probably 18:35:24 <TrueBrain> 3.4 talks about 2 months 18:35:29 <OwenS> And, question: How much is EUR30k relative to their income? :p 18:35:34 <TrueBrain> they can block the IPs on AS leel 18:35:40 <Eddi|zuHause> or either of them stepping a foot into the netherlands ;) 18:35:48 <TrueBrain> oh, wait, 30 days is 10 days 18:35:54 <TrueBrain> so 3.2 says within 10 days, 3.4 says within 2 months 18:35:56 <TrueBrain> go figure 18:36:20 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: EU countries .. they do not need to enter our country .. 18:36:28 <TrueBrain> that only goes for US and stuff :p 18:36:41 <Rubidium> so now... lets sue Google, Microsoft, Yahoo et al. 18:36:46 <TrueBrain> btw, they have to pay 42762 euro, processing costs 18:37:00 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: yeah, when they forget to sent a lawyer, they will have the same problem :p 18:37:20 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i got that, but what about the 61k they talk about earlier in that paragraph? 18:37:21 <TrueBrain> all with all, it is complete bullshit 18:37:26 <TrueBrain> because some lameass county sues you 18:37:32 <TrueBrain> you have to go there and/or be represented 18:37:37 <TrueBrain> and if not, you have to pay N money 18:37:37 <Rubidium> and if TPB is illegal with linking to torrents, then any search engine must too 18:37:44 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: two mixing signals again 18:37:52 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: one page says they have to pay 61k, the other 42k ... 18:38:03 <OwenS> In other words, it's been a kangaroo court :p 18:38:11 <TMS> heh. 18:38:17 <TMS> The Pirate Bay is two different things. 18:38:21 <TMS> A tracker and a search engine. 18:38:23 <TrueBrain> OwenS: by the lack of counter-arguments, it was just said: BREIN, you are right 18:38:30 <TMS> The tracker may not necessarily be "legal" 18:38:35 <TMS> But the search engine surely must be. 18:38:39 <TrueBrain> TMS: they have to stop their Tracker 18:38:42 <TrueBrain> explicit named 18:38:51 <TMS> Really? To all Dutch citizens? 18:38:54 <TMS> Or just universally? 18:39:01 <TrueBrain> so either read the verdict, or shut up :) 18:39:04 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Which makes me think their legal council is of the opinion the agreement can't reach them 18:39:18 <TrueBrain> OwenS: do they really have legal council? 18:39:23 <TrueBrain> I dunno .. I once got sued by the UK 18:39:27 <TrueBrain> I just told them to fuck off 18:39:32 <TrueBrain> I mean .. what would your reaction be? 18:39:46 <OwenS> If sued by the UK? I'd be ratherp issed off at my own country :p 18:39:49 <OwenS> Didn't they just sell TPB anyway? 18:39:51 <TrueBrain> it was not till I received an official imprinted envolope with the demands again, I agree'd ;) 18:39:59 <TrueBrain> I live in the NL ;) 18:40:04 <TrueBrain> nope, sell is on a stall 18:40:10 <TrueBrain> would you buy a company that is sued by all countries in the world? 18:40:14 <TrueBrain> US is also preparing .. 18:40:18 <TrueBrain> they see money .. they all run 18:40:32 <OwenS> This is going to be FUN :p 18:40:43 <TrueBrain> this verdict is just insane 18:40:57 * TrueBrain launches his proxy to give people TPB access via other countries :p 18:40:58 <TrueBrain> bounce bounce 18:41:10 <OwenS> Then again... I imagine that even if the owners get sued into oblivion, TPB will go on 18:41:18 <OwenS> PRQ (their hosts) have been sued for worse 18:41:21 <TrueBrain> TPB is not a legal person 18:41:25 <TrueBrain> they are those 3 people 18:41:41 <TrueBrain> they should have made it a legal person long ago 18:41:45 <TrueBrain> would be much easier :p 18:41:58 <OwenS> PRQ are under attack from governments for hosting Wikileaks all the time :p 18:42:05 <TrueBrain> hehe 18:42:18 <TrueBrain> I hosted nintendo8.com for a long time ... you don't want to know the facny letters I received 18:42:23 <TrueBrain> you all give them the same reply: FUCK OFF 18:42:26 <OwenS> lol 18:42:31 <Eddi|zuHause> http://torrentfreak.com/dutch-court-refuses-to-inform-pirate-bay-defendant-09030/ <-- this is the most weird part about it 18:43:03 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: that is the dutch law ... you don't come? You don't get 18:44:11 <TrueBrain> the verdict btw very clearly says they did know about the sue 18:44:18 <TrueBrain> in fact .. most talk is about that :p 18:44:40 <TrueBrain> but okay .. very weird situation .. I didn't know you could be sued outside your own country within the EU .. just insane .. 18:44:51 <Rubidium> now... to find a piece of Open Source that is heavily used by the Dutch government... and only release fixes via TPB :) 18:44:53 <Xaroth> they weren't rightfully sued 18:44:59 <Rubidium> that'd be fun 18:45:12 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: they are by dutch law, that is the insane part I guess :) 18:45:16 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I agree :) I know a few ... 18:45:20 <TrueBrain> well, not open source, but still :p 18:45:26 <OwenS> TrueBrain: You can be sued from anywhere in the world in which you operate. Whether that can reach you or not is the important part 18:45:35 <TrueBrain> OwenS: true 18:45:41 <TrueBrain> but what I meant, is that I thought the EU made rules for that 18:45:44 <TrueBrain> which unified such shit 18:45:47 <Xaroth> one of their arguments was that because a 'known TPB' ip watched the page they made stating they were sueing, they were informed 18:45:56 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: sounds like OwenS suggest closing openttd.org for anything not Dutch? 18:45:57 <TrueBrain> clearly ... it is not .. and some crazy ass dutch court agrees with it :s 18:45:59 <Xaroth> which is against another dutch law that states that you can't tie an IP address to a person 18:46:09 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: no, read the verdict 18:46:12 <TrueBrain> BREIN really did a lot 18:46:17 <Xaroth> they tried a lot 18:46:30 <Xaroth> nothing with signed proof 18:46:30 <TrueBrain> what you name is one of the many things 18:46:38 <TrueBrain> the carriers they sent arrived and handed over the papers 18:46:45 <TrueBrain> (which by dutch law is sufficient) 18:46:58 <Xaroth> they failed to mention to whom they handed it over 18:47:04 <TrueBrain> to all 3 persons 18:47:07 <TrueBrain> it was a signed thingy 18:47:14 <TrueBrain> so either the post office fucked up 3 times 18:47:16 <TrueBrain> or TPB lies 18:47:45 <TrueBrain> I mean: their lawyers received the papers, they did (all 3), they received email, they received http address .. 18:47:56 <TrueBrain> what more could BREIN do? So that part is not so strange, in my opinion 18:48:18 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:48:18 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: visit them personally in jail (like the US system) 18:48:41 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: I think the "struisvogelpolitiek" of: WE DIDN"T RECEIVE IT, only holds for so long 18:48:42 <Xaroth> " Uit de door eiseres overlegde producties kan echter niet worden geconcludeerd dat bij de betekening van de dagvaarding van gedaagden in Zweden is voldaan aan het bepaalde in artikel 7 lid 1 <something>" 18:49:33 <Xaroth> ... Eiseres heeft verder geprobeerd de dagvaardingen van gedaagden restreeks door een Zweedse deurwaarder te laten betekenen. Dit is niet gelukt 18:49:47 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: that was prior to the sue 18:49:49 <TrueBrain> read on 18:50:03 <TrueBrain> final paragraph of 2.4 18:50:09 <Xaroth> yes, but as mentioned, they didn't follow the letter of the law 18:50:17 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: no, BREIN first tried something else 18:50:18 <TrueBrain> which failed 18:50:50 *** tdev [~udev@p508EB811.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:50:59 <Xaroth> 2.4 states they are ignoring the regulations because BREIN convinced the court they did sufficiently to inform them 18:51:55 <Xaroth> both parties aren't lying, and both are 18:51:59 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 18:52:00 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: what i am missing is something about the evidence presented that TPB actually did something illegal 18:52:06 <TrueBrain> "Dat gedaagden aan de media te kennen hebben gegeven niet op de hogote te zijn van een rechtzaak jegens hen in NEderland is in het licht van vorenstaande niet aannemelijk" 18:52:08 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: says it all :) 18:52:22 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: the verdict isn't really about that 18:52:30 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: I think that is because swedish court did that :p 18:52:40 <Noldo> (n 18:52:55 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: in a non-finalized intermediate judgement? 18:53:04 <Xaroth> TB: that section is as quoted by BREIN, accepted by the court 18:53:18 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: we read things very differently 18:53:24 <TrueBrain> nevertheless, court said BREIN did enough to reach them 18:53:28 <Xaroth> yeh 18:53:30 <TrueBrain> and if I read this, I have to agree with them 18:53:34 <TrueBrain> that is all that matters, I think 18:53:46 * Xaroth shrugs 18:53:52 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: there is never a reference that it is a quote from BREIN in any way 18:53:53 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but reaching the defendant is not the only thing that matters when suing someone 18:54:09 <Eddi|zuHause> (i hope) 18:54:10 <Rubidium> ah well, it's only giving TPB more media attention (and thus followers) and like DRM there is always a way around it... 18:54:15 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: 2.5 says that the court things the request is not illegal or ungrounded, and granted it 18:54:21 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: it kind of is :) 18:54:32 <TrueBrain> things = thinks, oops :) 18:54:41 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: You don't have to proove your right if your oponent doesn't come to defend themself 18:54:56 <Xaroth> TB: I doubt brein did everything they could to contact them 18:54:59 <TrueBrain> "Vertek verleent", but I fail to translate :) 18:55:08 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: don't you agree they tried enough? 18:55:13 <TrueBrain> 4 different communication methods? 18:55:26 <TrueBrain> really .. TPB just acted stupid, hoping they could duck the sue 18:55:29 <Xaroth> of which 3 not adopted by law? :P 18:55:31 <TrueBrain> but that is jsut stupid ... 18:55:39 <Xaroth> not really 18:55:42 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: 1 is enough, not? The other 3 are not mroe than polite ... 18:56:09 <TrueBrain> okay, lets ask the question differently: what should BREIN have done to make it clear to TPB that they were being sued? 18:56:14 <Xaroth> The reason they aren't adopted by law is because there is no personal verification that the receiving end is, in fact, the accused 18:56:33 <Xaroth> use the other option, by newspaper 18:56:42 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: send someone IN PERSON to them with proof that they were notified of the fact 18:56:55 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: that did happen .. then they complained 18:56:58 <TrueBrain> still leaving plenty of time 18:57:08 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: hehe :) we call those couriers ;) 18:57:10 <Rubidium> e.g. a civil law notary 18:57:24 <TrueBrain> but yeah, that would have been an option :) 18:57:35 <Xaroth> thing is though 18:57:38 <Xaroth> brein was smart in this 18:57:45 <Xaroth> by doing -just- enough to get the court's approval 18:57:45 <planetmaker> "Das Problem (sind) (...)die "etablierten" Missst?nde vor allem in der Denkweise der NewGRF-Autoren (bzgl. Basecosts und Ressource-Management)die jetzt inetwa so reagieren wie die Kirche auf den Buchdruck" <--- very nice one, Eddi|zuHause 18:57:50 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: I've more than on one occasion signed for those couriers when the letter wasn't for me 18:57:55 <Xaroth> they basically got a fight with no contestants 18:57:57 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: well, TPB fucked up because they replied to one of the emails send to them .. that was just stupid 18:57:58 <planetmaker> I like the wording :-P 18:58:08 <Xaroth> yep 18:58:17 <Eddi|zuHause> ;) 18:58:30 <Rubidium> besides that, the NEVER asked for proof that I was the addressee 18:58:51 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: well, those couriers are slightly different .. in our country anyway :) 18:59:00 <TrueBrain> when they come to give you such paper .. nobody else can sign for it :) 18:59:07 <Xaroth> court couriers ask for personal identification 18:59:07 <TrueBrain> we tried .. you will fail :) 18:59:26 <Xaroth> no id, no signing 18:59:32 <Rubidium> guess they're different in 'the west' ;) 18:59:35 <TrueBrain> (as said, I once got sued, I had to come there to sign for the paper, as they refused to hand over to my mother :p) 18:59:59 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: did you have to prove you were the addressee? 19:00:02 <TrueBrain> (well in fact both persons knew eachother and she knew darn well I as her son :)) 19:00:10 <TrueBrain> pasport, yes 19:00:11 <OwenS> lol 19:00:38 <TrueBrain> darn, it is annoying the PDF of Eddi|zuHause is not horizontal 19:00:41 <TrueBrain> I start to look weird :p 19:00:59 <Xaroth> TB: It still sucks what the court ruled 19:01:07 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: well, they didn't rule anything really 19:01:12 <TrueBrain> it was more like: we have a complaint 19:01:15 <TrueBrain> we don't have a counter 19:01:19 <TrueBrain> so .. we have to grant to complaint 19:01:25 <TrueBrain> :p 19:01:47 <TrueBrain> but yes, it is stupid and insane that they got sued here in the first place 19:01:53 <TrueBrain> does every coutnry start doing that now?! 19:01:55 <OwenS> TrueBrain: How would they prove who you were if you lacked a passport? :p 19:01:59 <Xaroth> yeh, but still, first step of censorship :P 19:02:11 <TrueBrain> OwenS: in The Netherlands you need to have a valid identification at all times 19:02:11 <Xaroth> OwenS: all dutch citizens have to have personal identification :) 19:02:13 <TrueBrain> even on the streets :) 19:02:22 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: that for sure is true 19:02:31 <TrueBrain> and that alone would most likely have been enough to win the sue 19:02:37 <OwenS> Cause currently I posess neither passport or driving license 19:02:47 <Eddi|zuHause> <Xaroth> OwenS: all dutch citizens have to have personal identification :) <- that usually means you have to own one, but not that you have to carry it with you at all times 19:02:51 <TrueBrain> OwenS: in this country, you in such case are not allowed to go on the streets 19:02:53 <Xaroth> OwenS: don't go to holland :P 19:03:01 <Xaroth> Eddi|zuHause: when on the street, you do. 19:03:02 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: here it does :) 19:03:10 <TrueBrain> well, every person above the age of 16 19:03:15 <Xaroth> You can get fined if you do not 19:03:16 <TrueBrain> since 2 years orso? 19:03:17 <TrueBrain> 3? 19:03:27 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: even arrested till they are sure you are you :) 19:03:40 <OwenS> Xaroth: I can't go to Holland with no passport anyway :p 19:03:42 <Xaroth> though police officers don't have any direct means of checking if you have it with you unless they suspect anything 19:03:47 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: what when you are 15 but look like 18 to the police? 19:03:57 <Eddi|zuHause> what if you are 18 and tell them you are 15? 19:04:01 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: go ask them 19:04:09 <Xaroth> Eddi|zuHause: 1) you have to get your parents to prove you're 15. 19:04:30 <Eddi|zuHause> Xaroth: they are in australia for another two weeks? 19:04:31 <Xaroth> 2) dunno 19:04:40 <Xaroth> Eddi|zuHause: guardian/custodian 19:04:40 <_ln> btw.... ain't it nice that Camping Zeeburg at Amsterdam wants your passport for themselves until you check out. 19:04:45 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: who cares; by law we have to carry identification, all that matters 19:04:55 <Xaroth> _ln: then you can direct the police to the camping :) 19:05:24 <TrueBrain> (I don't carry identification most of the time, but .. that is a completely different story 19:05:44 <_ln> Xaroth: not sure if that's an acceptable solution. 19:05:51 <TrueBrain> I mean .. I am not going to a dance with my passport :s 19:05:56 <Xaroth> _ln: it is 19:06:03 <TrueBrain> _ln: the police are not bullies 19:06:05 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: the real question is: was the person asking you for identification a civil servant (ambtenaar)? 19:06:18 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: it came from the UK, so no 19:06:29 <Xaroth> downside is though, you'll probably get escorted to the camping... :P 19:06:39 <Rubidium> then you weren't, by law at least, obligated to identify yourself 19:06:56 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: and they aren't, by law at least, obligated to give me the thingy in that case 19:07:11 <TrueBrain> but as the next step is a police arrest 19:07:15 <Rubidium> and then you haven't received it 19:07:17 <TrueBrain> I think it is better to go with the identification 19:08:01 <TrueBrain> (when you don't accept the sue, it goes back to UK, they then start the international law thingy, and a month later orso the police comes to hand you over the same sue ... just identify yourself) 19:08:07 <_ln> TrueBrain: is a driving license enough for identification for a) you, b) a foreign citizen? 19:08:17 <TrueBrain> (as in the latter case you most likely don't get away with: okay, I will remove it) 19:08:19 <_ln> (in NL) 19:08:23 <TrueBrain> _ln: for me, yes, for you, no 19:08:30 <TrueBrain> (but police is known to accept it) 19:09:02 <TrueBrain> driving license is not a valid EU document 19:09:13 <TrueBrain> passport and the other thingy we have here are 19:09:15 <planetmaker> hm... no? 19:09:23 <TrueBrain> okay: MY driving license is not a valid EU document 19:09:30 <planetmaker> I thought they standardized driving licenses... 19:09:34 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 19:09:38 <OwenS> They did 19:09:42 <TrueBrain> I don't know about those new thingies 19:09:55 <TrueBrain> if they are EU documents, it is printed on them 19:09:57 <planetmaker> well... even 14 years ago, they were standardized within EU. Just differently. 19:09:58 <OwenS> Incidentally, Euros contain Europium 19:10:18 <planetmaker> I still have this funky pink license... 19:10:21 <Xaroth> My driving license sais "Model van de Europese Gemeenschappen" .. Model of the European Communities? 19:10:24 <_ln> planetmaker: driving license doesn't say a thing about citizenship, that's why it's not a valid document abroad. 19:10:31 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: one thing I learnt really fast: don't fuck with people who try to sue you: you will lose! 19:10:34 <Xaroth> and i think it does count as a EU-standard identification 19:10:45 <Xaroth> the old paper one doesn't 19:10:45 <planetmaker> _ln, that it doesn't, true. 19:11:27 <planetmaker> Xaroth, the old paper one tells the sam,e though :-) 19:12:05 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: your driving license doesn't even hold in some situations 19:12:14 <TrueBrain> every Dutch citizen sitll needs to have either ID or passport 19:12:22 <OwenS> Incidentally, Sweden is legally obligated to adopt the Euro 19:12:26 <Xaroth> o_O 19:12:30 <planetmaker> uh? 19:12:39 <planetmaker> @ OwenS ^ 19:12:57 <Xaroth> TrueBrain: officially, yes.. but i've yet to see somebody to not allow my drivers license :P 19:13:07 <TrueBrain> try at a police station 19:13:12 <TrueBrain> :) 19:13:16 <Xaroth> I did 19:13:19 <Eddi|zuHause> i always have my ID with me 19:13:20 <OwenS> All countries which joined the EU after a certain date are legally required to adopt the Euro. Sweden has a defacto opt-out though because they joined after said opt-outs were given 19:13:25 <TrueBrain> taxes, also requires Passport or ID 19:13:37 <Xaroth> I.. have somebody else do my taxes :P 19:14:12 <TrueBrain> but that given, I doubt it is a valid EU document :p 19:14:19 <planetmaker> OwenS, but... the monetary union not a compulsory part as far as I understood. 19:14:57 <Eddi|zuHause> britain has more opt-outs than sweden could ever take 19:15:00 <OwenS> PM: It's compulsory for all countries joining after a certain date and as such applies to Sweden. They still have a defacto opt-out though (And it's not like the EU can force them) 19:15:14 <Eddi|zuHause> the UK is not even Schengen-member 19:15:31 <planetmaker> Well, the UK is special :-) 19:15:37 <TrueBrain> the UK sucks 19:15:49 <TrueBrain> well, today I learnt that NL sucks too 19:15:54 <_ln> the Danes aren't taking EU very seriously either 19:16:15 <Eddi|zuHause> the danes do have euro, though 19:16:15 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: W.R.T Schengen... we are an island :p 19:16:24 <_ln> Eddi|zuHause: they don't, though 19:16:39 <Eddi|zuHause> really? i was pretty sure.... 19:17:00 <Eddi|zuHause> not like i was anywhere near denmark in the last 15 years... 19:17:20 <Tekky> <Rubidium> Belugas: Tekky__, Tekky_, Tekky ... now that's confusing <---- Sorry, it seems I lost connection several times within a short period. 19:17:39 <_ln> i was there 15 days ago, so let's assume the situation hasn't changed since then. 19:17:49 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 19:18:14 <_ln> and they don't have EU-style licence plates either 19:18:32 <OwenS> _ln: We often do these days 19:18:32 <planetmaker> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Supranational_European_Bodies.png <-- nice overview 19:19:13 <Rubidium> the Vatican isn't part of the Schengen area... separation of church and state? 19:19:17 <OwenS> lol 19:19:29 <OwenS> I tend to care more about CoE than EU though 19:19:45 <planetmaker> CoE? 19:19:51 <OwenS> Council of Europe 19:20:01 <planetmaker> ah 19:20:05 <OwenS> Y'Know, the ones who wrote the ECHR? :p 19:20:58 <planetmaker> meh... foreign abbreviations suck 19:21:22 <Rubidium> so CoE doesn't mean "Children of Earth"? That sucks :( 19:21:23 <planetmaker> but yes. 19:21:43 <planetmaker> But EU has more influence. Far more nowadays. 19:21:47 <_ln> is it alright in Germany to give a customer a receipt with all prices in DKK, not euro? 19:22:07 <OwenS> planetmaker: Not really. COE has stronger courts and more members 19:22:09 <planetmaker> I guess not 19:22:11 <Eddi|zuHause> err... what? 19:22:26 <_ln> DKK = Danish krone 19:22:32 <planetmaker> OwenS, but no power to enforce it. 19:22:46 <Eddi|zuHause> _ln: for a while before and after the euro introduction, all prices had to be given in both DM and EUR here 19:23:01 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: lol, I just read this (to come back on ambigious topics): mobiel chatten kost Vlaamse bijna 10.000 euro 19:23:20 <TrueBrain> 'bijna' can be in amount or time .. I first thought in time .. but it turned out to be in amount :p 19:23:37 <planetmaker> they basically have "moral power" 19:23:55 <OwenS> planetmaker: Not really. An ECHR ruling is stronger than anything the EU can do 19:24:14 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:24:31 <Tekky> The court of the Council of Europe is limited to human rights issues, as far as I know. 19:24:33 <TrueBrain> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/07/30/130249/CentOS-Project-Administrator-Goes-AWOL <- that is why at all times 2 people can access all openttd.org services :) (well, except this IRC channel I guess :p) 19:24:35 <_ln> Eddi|zuHause: Scandlines has a (floating) drink shop at Puttgarden, and their prices are in DKK. and Puttgarden is very much in Germany. 19:24:46 <Rubidium> guess I've learned enough unneeded factoids today 19:25:10 <Eddi|zuHause> _ln: southern schleswig is special anyway... 19:25:25 <Eddi|zuHause> hysterical raisins... 19:25:31 <Eddi|zuHause> and protection of minorities... 19:26:06 <Eddi|zuHause> there's a village in austria, which used DM entirely 19:26:19 <Eddi|zuHause> because its only road to the "outside world" lead to germany 19:27:29 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-212-21.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:28:09 <Eddi|zuHause> _ln: and if it's floating, it is even more special 19:29:33 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 19:30:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r16995 /trunk/src/tunnelbridge_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: apply some code style to CmdBuildBridge 19:30:56 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... wikipedia says they are trying to build a bridge between Puttgarden and R?dby 19:31:11 <Rubidium> bye bye boat :( 19:31:26 <_ln> i've heard of such too, but i wonder how much sense would that make. 19:32:03 <Eddi|zuHause> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Fehmarn-bridge.png 19:32:14 <Belugas> like the Euro Tunnel? 19:32:42 <Belugas> Yexo! Patch killer!! 19:32:54 <Yexo> Belugas: you had a patch? :p 19:33:21 <Eddi|zuHause> once upon a time Belugas engaged in signals-on-bridges 19:33:26 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: add Helsingor-Helsingborg and you'll have a massive shortcut going from Hamburg to Stockholm by road 19:33:28 <Belugas> kidding... my late-and already-outdated signals on bridges ;) 19:36:05 <_ln> the ferry is 64EUR one-way, and gives an opportunity to e.g. have a dinner during a 45-minute break. 19:37:31 <Eddi|zuHause> i was in Gedser once (ferry from Warnem?nde and back) 19:38:05 <Ammler> I vote for complete ban of Alain from the development forum. 19:38:45 <Ammler> or at least no write access 19:39:34 <Belugas> as if he was developping... 19:39:38 <Eddi|zuHause> i tend to not read the forum anymore 19:39:54 <Belugas> ho... me neither... 19:40:14 <Tekky> Ah, is it true that multi-tile waypoints are now implemented since r16993? Or did I misunderstand the commit message? 19:40:23 <Ammler> the bad part is, if you add those people to the foe list, the thread will still be marked as unread. 19:42:05 <Yexo> I vote for complete ban of Alain from the development forum. <- You have my vote :) 19:42:21 * Tekky downloads the latest nightly to see whether multi-tile waypoints are now fully implemented. 19:42:42 <Rubidium> unlikely ;) 19:42:42 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:43:04 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 19:43:09 <Ammler> rubi makes it dramtically :-) 19:43:36 <Tekky> Hi Nite_Owl. 19:43:50 <Nite_Owl> Hello Tekky 19:45:24 <Tekky> Rubidium: Were you replying to me in your last message? Did I misunderstand the commit message that multi-tile waypoints were already implemented? Or were you replying to someone else? 19:45:42 <Rubidium> I'm replying to the 'fully' 19:46:12 <Tekky> Ah, but they can already be built? 19:46:25 <Rubidium> yup 19:46:49 <Tekky> But they don't work yet? :) 19:46:50 <Rubidium> just not extended, distant joined, ... basically any other station feature 19:50:16 <Tekky> Ah. Well, that's good enough for me. I just want to be able to place a waypoint on two track pieces that are next to each other, for now. Thanks Rubidium for your great work. :) 19:50:43 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:51:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r16996 /trunk/src/tunnelbridge_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r16995): the tiles under the bridge were not marked dirty when a bridge was replaced with another type 19:59:53 *** Zuu [~Zuu@S0106000f3d50466b.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 20:08:07 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 20:08:35 *** Svish|eee [~Svish@84.20.108.32] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:12:10 <frosch123> http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/info/symbols/comprehensive/symbols-a4.pdf <- on page 85 it starts to become quite weird 20:24:14 *** Nickman87 [~nick.defr@11.23-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #openttd 20:28:40 * Belugas 's clock is not moving fast enough 20:30:33 <TrueBrain> and my code refuses to work in the way I want it to work 20:30:37 <TrueBrain> which is not really by-any-book 20:31:53 <Aali> frosch123: well, if you ever wanted to fight ghosts and evil spirits with LaTeX, now you can 20:33:06 <frosch123> do they protect against viruses, if i link them into the kernel? 20:33:22 <Aali> I doubt it 20:33:35 <Aali> you'll need the anti-body symbols for that 20:37:47 <frosch123> night 20:37:51 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe2eb.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:38:02 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:39:05 <Belugas> latex only protects against viruses if you slide your kernel in, not if you link it 20:40:12 <Nite_Owl> but only if your latex does not have a hole in it 20:40:45 <Belugas> quite 20:40:55 <Belugas> or if it's a very small kernel 20:41:53 <Nite_Owl> then you would need an extension 20:43:21 <Belugas> but but but... an extension would only means interferences 20:43:28 <Belugas> ho... crap... 20:44:19 <Nite_Owl> true - so you could by a supply of Extense 20:45:35 <Belugas> or rewrite the kernel in C++, with full of members 20:45:43 <Belugas> you hou... insanity around the corner! 20:50:59 *** Azrael [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 20:55:43 <TrueBrain> stupid Django .. somehow it refuses me to give control over who is my parent of a child object :s 20:57:00 <OwenS> I've been working with Django recently also 20:57:28 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:57:44 <OwenS> Only real complaint I have with it is that it's auth engine isn't flexible enough 20:57:56 <TrueBrain> very easy to use your own 20:58:11 <OwenS> Yes, but then you loose admin :p 20:58:13 <TrueBrain> but the default permission thingy is a bit tricky to get to know 20:58:29 <TrueBrain> not the best part of Django :) 20:58:37 <OwenS> Auth or Admin? :p 20:58:42 <TrueBrain> auth 20:58:45 <TrueBrain> admin is great :) 20:58:47 <OwenS> Yeah 20:58:52 <TrueBrain> I am now too stretching it to the limit, by having a database design which is not normal :p 20:58:56 <OwenS> lol 20:58:58 <TrueBrain> I have 1 parent object with 2 child objects 20:59:03 <TrueBrain> but I fail to link those together 20:59:19 <OwenS> I should probably see if I can work with them to improove auth somehow :p 20:59:47 <OwenS> As in, make it pluggable so sites can customize it more 20:59:55 <TrueBrain> it kind of is 20:59:57 <TrueBrain> just .. weird 20:59:59 <TrueBrain> and unusual :p 21:00:14 <OwenS> I haven't found how to redirect users off to my single sign on site :p 21:00:23 <TrueBrain> openttd.org does ;) 21:00:43 <OwenS> Does it do it without sharing database between the SSO site and the site you're logging into? :p 21:00:59 <TrueBrain> SSO? 21:01:04 <OwenS> Single Sign On 21:01:21 <TrueBrain> euhm ... you blame this on Django? 21:01:22 <Belugas> Super Sexy Object 21:01:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r16997 /trunk/bin/ai/regression/regression.txt: -Fix (r16985): forgot to update regression 21:01:32 <TrueBrain> you have one database which handles authentication, and an other which is the site itself? 21:01:39 <OwenS> Yes 21:01:40 <TrueBrain> and you expect it to magic share authentication of some kind? :p 21:01:53 <OwenS> I want to replace Django Admin's backend with my own :p 21:02:04 <OwenS> Auth's ** 21:02:15 <TrueBrain> you can use what ever auth you want :p 21:02:18 <OwenS> My auth database is in a custom format also, as it predates me using Django :p 21:02:19 * Belugas goes home. enjoy your evening 21:02:22 <TrueBrain> the Auth thingy is a plugin :) 21:02:24 <TrueBrain> night Belugas :) 21:02:36 <Rubidium> night Belugas 21:02:36 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Yes. I just wish replacing it didn't drag Django Admin with it :p 21:02:40 <Nite_Owl> later Belugas 21:02:43 <Zuu> Good evening Belugas 21:02:44 <TrueBrain> you could make the auth thing do a completely ldap lookup over 16 servers and report back :p 21:03:01 <TrueBrain> OwenS: does it? As far as I know one does not depend on the other 21:03:02 <Zuu> I was sent home from school because of the heat and there is no AC. 21:03:06 <TrueBrain> just on _a_ User system :p 21:03:22 <OwenS> TrueBrain: AFAIK, it importd django.contrib.auth :p 21:03:33 <TrueBrain> that would be stupid, but even that is easy to solve ... ;) 21:04:01 <OwenS> Also, Django Admin throws up it's own login page... This doesn't work with a seperated auth database :p 21:04:13 <TrueBrain> login != authentication 21:04:20 <TrueBrain> login just sends user + password to the auth backend 21:04:46 <OwenS> Aha. And then people are entering their passwords over unencrypted channels :P 21:04:50 <OwenS> SSO is done via HTTPS 21:04:54 <TrueBrain> HUH? 21:04:59 <TrueBrain> what on earth are you babling about? 21:05:10 <TrueBrain> since when is sending username + password to a subfunction an unencrypted chanenl? 21:05:20 <TrueBrain> in that case HTTPS is unencrypted too, at several levels 21:05:38 <OwenS> What I mean is that teh login page Admin throws up is unencrypted. As is where it posts to. 21:05:49 <TrueBrain> euh .. then YOU did something wrong :) 21:06:01 <TrueBrain> https://secure.openttd.org:444/test-www/en/admin/ 21:06:06 <TrueBrain> 100% HTTPS 21:06:17 <TrueBrain> never a single unencrypted channel from the client to the server 21:06:27 <OwenS> Admin site on a different subdomain from the auth system? :P 21:06:33 <TrueBrain> put it in https 21:06:34 <TrueBrain> dah 21:06:36 <TrueBrain> I mean .. 21:06:40 <TrueBrain> you can't expect magic to flow .. 21:06:45 <TrueBrain> you can tell the admin where the login site is btw 21:06:49 <TrueBrain> you can override it how ever you want 21:06:55 <TrueBrain> you can even extend it and build what ever you want from it 21:06:59 <TrueBrain> check django snippets 21:07:01 <TrueBrain> have tons of that :p 21:07:11 *** Azrael [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:10:40 <TrueBrain> hmm 21:10:42 <TrueBrain> that site sucks 21:10:48 <TrueBrain> no search button on frontpage :p 21:11:40 <TrueBrain> no search button 21:11:41 <TrueBrain> ... 21:21:43 <Sacro> You have asked Firefox to connect 21:21:43 <Sacro> securely to secure.openttd.org:444, but we can't confirm that your connection is secure. 21:22:16 <TrueBrain> so close it already 21:22:18 <TrueBrain> :p 21:24:32 <TrueBrain> IDIOTIC django cleans out my fields :( 21:25:25 <Ammler> Sacro: stupid firefox devs thinks, cacert.org isn't trustful. 21:25:57 <TrueBrain> Ammler: why firefox devs? 21:26:00 <TrueBrain> how about your OS? 21:26:18 <Ammler> why my os? 21:26:34 <TrueBrain> your OS keeps track of root certificates 21:26:36 <TrueBrain> not your browser :) 21:26:54 <Ammler> hmm, semi true :P 21:27:19 <TrueBrain> so hard to say: true? :p 21:27:25 <Ammler> :-) 21:27:39 <Rubidium> Sacro: then use an OS/Distro that has the proper root certificates 21:28:00 <Ammler> TrueBrain: firefox could ship with it, too. 21:28:11 <TrueBrain> Ammler: even if it did, it wouldn;t help :p 21:31:57 <Ammler> hmm, it should, it doesn't complain here. 21:32:07 <TrueBrain> .... 21:32:17 <TrueBrain> and nowhere in your world it is possible your OS has the cacert root certificate? 21:32:28 <Ammler> no 21:32:32 <Ammler> I had to install it. 21:32:49 <TrueBrain> no wonder it worked after it 21:32:57 <TrueBrain> so ... still no firefox interaction 21:33:48 <Ammler> but konqueror doesn't allow wihtout warning 21:34:02 <TrueBrain> so that is the proof you installed it inside Firefox 21:34:04 <TrueBrain> nice! 21:34:11 <Ammler> I guess so :-) 21:34:13 <TrueBrain> my car can't drive harder than 100 km/h, so all others can 21:34:34 <Ammler> let me try wget 21:34:57 * Sacro has OS X 21:35:10 <TrueBrain> Sacro: cacert is 'relative' new 21:36:32 <TrueBrain> finally I managed to extend my table how I would want it ... 21:36:34 <TrueBrain> pff :p 21:37:10 <Zuu> Is it ottd stuff or just work? 21:37:15 <TrueBrain> WT3.1 21:37:23 <Zuu> Oh 21:37:34 <TrueBrain> which reminds me: tdev: had any time? :) 21:38:09 <tdev> hi TrueBrain :) 21:38:18 <tdev> busy working on traffic lights atm :( 21:38:25 <TrueBrain> :( 21:38:33 <tdev> have time later :) 21:38:43 <TrueBrain> if you want to contribute, you really have to kind of hurry :) I started the main plugin system already ... :) 21:38:47 <TrueBrain> making big changes later is really hard :( 21:39:31 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DD8E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Raubgut ist vom Umtausch ausgeschlossen!] 21:39:42 <Zuu> Nice name.. 21:40:09 <TrueBrain> making big changes later is really hard :( 21:40:11 <TrueBrain> lol 21:40:13 <TrueBrain> wrong screen 21:41:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16998 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: rework/unify 'find station to join with' code and use it for all stations 21:43:13 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 21:44:20 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DD8E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:47:36 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Quit: bye] 21:57:45 <TrueBrain> translator/script.py core.project.create test openttd subversion -- subversion.root="file:///var/www/localhost/openttd" subversion.extension=".txt" 21:57:48 <TrueBrain> whiieee, works :) 21:58:03 <Xaroth> o_O 22:01:29 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.] 22:03:30 *** Nickman87 [~nick.defr@11.23-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [] 22:04:05 <Xaroth> TrueBrain: http://www.bfgtech.com/bfgrtrfcop.aspx 22:05:25 <TrueBrain> LOL! 22:05:49 *** xZise [~xzise@91-64-75-115-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 22:05:54 <Xaroth> I almost fell off my chair 22:06:10 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16999 /trunk/src/ai/api/ai_rail.cpp: -Fix (r16993): AIs couldn't build waypoints anymore 22:06:15 <TrueBrain> oeh, magic number 22:06:59 <Rubidium> nah, this one is more magic ;) 22:07:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17000 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs): -Change: allow overbuilding/extending waypoints 22:07:10 <Xaroth> woot 22:07:18 * TrueBrain goes to fix a few things on the openttd.org server now 22:07:31 <Rubidium> as it probably breaks committing for the others 22:08:38 <TrueBrain> lucky now we know that it happens ;) 22:08:38 *** xZise [~xzise@91-64-75-115-dynip.superkabel.de] has left #openttd [] 22:08:58 <TrueBrain> finally managed to finish the plugin/script/API interface for WT3.1 :) 22:09:04 * TrueBrain is happy with the result :) 22:09:07 <TrueBrain> clean, pluggable ... yeah 22:09:09 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-9-22-43.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 22:09:11 <Xaroth> nice 22:09:21 <Ammler> http://www.cacert-germany.de/ <-- hmm 22:09:26 *** xZise [~xzise@91-64-75-115-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 22:10:07 <Xaroth> Ammler: redirects to https with an invalid cert? 22:10:29 <Xaroth> .. and expired 22:10:29 <Ammler> something with confix 22:10:44 <TrueBrain> good job,don't you agree? :P 22:10:48 <Ammler> not really nice for a cert authority 22:13:57 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-137-108-224.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:16:47 <TrueBrain> k, time for my bed 22:16:49 <TrueBrain> nightynight all 22:17:22 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@94.76.226.86] has joined #openttd 22:20:21 <Ammler> nightly 22:20:44 <Ammler> is crt and pem just different file extension for same format? 22:23:02 <Ammler> http://www.cacert.org/index.php?id=3 <-- root certificate (PEM format) but file.crt 22:26:59 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-212-21.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:27:10 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.105.25] has joined #openttd 22:27:16 <nicfer> hi 22:27:26 <xZise> Hi all, I found a "bug" in the german translation :P What can I do to fix it? 22:27:47 <glx> only one ? 22:27:48 <nicfer> I've just discovered a bug while playing on Akoz's server 22:28:10 <nicfer> building a railtrack over a cactus is cheaper than over plain desert (!) 22:29:28 <nicfer> well, some types of cactus 22:29:42 <nicfer> those ones that are grouped in two 22:30:27 <nicfer> and worse in single 'plantations' 22:31:00 <nicfer> 157 pounds for plain desert, 156 for dual cactus, 134 for single 22:31:23 <nicfer> triple and quad are worth 200 both 22:31:31 <xZise> glx: Me? Yep ... I didn't searched for bugs. But I read it, it "sounds" strange and doesn't fit to the other settings structure 22:34:39 <Tekky> What is the exact bug in the translation, xZise? Several people here can understand German. 22:35:47 <Tekky> nicfer: Sounds like a bug that I would report to http://bugs.openttd.org/ . 22:36:18 *** `Fuco`` is now known as Fuco 22:36:20 <xZise> "Erlaubt nicht direkt benachbarte Stationen zu verbinden:" (STR_CONFIG_SETTING_DISTANT_JOIN_STATIONS) ... for it alone it is correct, but the other settings (e.g. STR_CONFIG_SETTING_FORBID_90_DEG -> "Z?gen und Schiffen 90?-Kurven verbieten:") use only infintive (i think :P ) 22:36:52 <Rubidium> xZise: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=39481 22:39:00 <xZise> ah k 22:42:32 *** DPyro [ad4a9c0c@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 22:43:07 <Tekky> xZise: What formulation do you propose to use instead? "Nicht direkt benachbarte Stationen verbinden erlauben" sounds worse to me, so I think the current formulation is appropriate. 22:43:16 *** Pygma [~quassel@88.151.27.234] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:43:53 <xZise> My first suggestion would be Erlaube instead of Erlaubt ;) 22:46:21 <Tekky> Hmmm, for me, both possibilities sound ok. 22:49:42 <xZise> I think the term "nicht direkt benachbarte Stationen verbinden" is the problem :P 22:53:06 <Tekky> What is the problem with that formulation? Do you want to replace "direkt benachbarte" with "angrenzende"? That sounds a bit better, but the current formulation seems ok to me, too. 22:55:15 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-9-22-43.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 22:56:24 <xZise> Its freezing the structure ;) you could only use this 5 words in this order (in most cases) ^^ 22:57:22 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DD8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:04:20 <Xaroth> [Ammler]: is crt and pem just different file extension for same format? << PEM is a mixed format 23:05:10 *** DPyro [ad4a9c0c@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 23:10:41 *** Chruker [~no@0x5da34ce4.vjnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [] 23:16:21 <OwenS> Aha! Found what was killing transmission! 23:16:58 <OwenS> The new version added support for UPNP. I have two routers, one with and one without UPNP. It was trying to break a hole through the UPNP router... which has no WAN connection! 23:18:26 <Rubidium> I generally dislike upnp 23:18:45 <Rubidium> I don't want random applications opening random ports on my routers 23:19:13 <glx> why filter with NAT when everybody can go through it :) 23:19:55 <Rubidium> if a port ought to be opened, I want control over that, not some sneaky behind my back "technically you've got a firewall, but in reality you don't" misfeature 23:20:25 <OwenS> Rubidium: It's so the majority of the population can use a torrent client without calling up their neighbourhood techie to open ports :P 23:20:38 <glx> use IPv6 then 23:20:48 <OwenS> If only I could... 23:20:58 <glx> no need to open anything on the router :) 23:21:15 <OwenS> Of course, then the world will have NetBIOS and crap in the clear again 23:21:16 <Rubidium> OwenS: and why can't you? 23:21:29 <OwenS> Rubidium: Because I don't have an IPv6 capable router 23:22:05 <Rubidium> neither did I, but I had IPv6 with the internet 23:22:15 <OwenS> Ayiya tunnel? 23:22:28 <Rubidium> now I've pushed maintaining the IPv6 tunnel to my router though 23:22:47 <OwenS> Why tunnel? Why not 6to4 anycast? 23:22:48 <Rubidium> OwenS: some sort of tunnel; I'm not really interested which one exactly 23:23:34 <OwenS> 6to4 anycast is pretty much the best option you have over an IPv4 pipe 23:24:34 <OwenS> (The only overhead is stuffing on an IPv4 header0 23:25:37 * Rubidium doesn't see much difference in 'tunnel X over Y' and 'encapsulate X packets in Y packets' 23:27:02 <Rubidium> anyhow, I'm happy with my static IPv6 address 23:27:25 <OwenS> A tunnel has a definite endpoint somewhere. 6to4 anycast does the transition at whatever 6to4 router is closest to you (or the person sending you a packet), and is also stateless 23:27:36 <glx> I have a full range :) 23:27:53 <Rubidium> glx: so do I, but I use only one of the addresses 23:29:25 <OwenS> The IPv6 everyone-gets-a-48 model is just ridiculous :p 23:30:00 <Rubidium> yes and no ;) 23:30:23 <OwenS> Even more fun is that it's entirely possible that, except for routers, you may never see the same last 64 address bits twice :p 23:30:49 <Rubidium> incidentally mac addresses are 48 bits and (supposed to be) unique 23:30:59 <glx> you can if you use MAC address 23:31:00 <Rubidium> so it's a very easy way to assign IP addresses 23:31:13 <OwenS> Psst: It's the other way arround :p 23:31:14 *** TMS [~Will@75-136-132-146.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Time pingout] 23:31:19 <OwenS> The 48 bits are your network number :p 23:31:30 <OwenS> Everyone gets 80bits to play with 23:32:04 <Rubidium> see, Mac Address + old IPv4 address ;) 23:32:26 * Rubidium 'only' has a /64 23:32:27 <OwenS> You get 16-bits to use to create subnets, and 64-bits to use for EUI-64s - since EUI-48s, aka Mac addresses, are depreceated 23:32:46 * Sacro wants an IP address :( 23:32:57 <OwenS> My webserver - thats right, web server, has a /48.. :p 23:33:20 <Sacro> hehe 23:33:30 <Sacro> where can i get some? 23:33:43 <OwenS> Get yourself an IPv6 tunnel :p 23:33:45 <OwenS> www.sixxs.net 23:33:54 <Rubidium> Sacro: I think petern has some free IPv6s 23:33:59 <glx> I prefer my native IPv6 :) 23:34:18 <Sacro> i want ipv2 :( 23:34:19 <Rubidium> sixxs sucks... it's enormously bureaucratic 23:34:33 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-147-189-211.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:35:39 <OwenS> Rubidium: Huh? I got a tunnel quite easily 23:36:13 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.3.7.35] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0-rc2] 23:36:23 <Rubidium> OwenS: we have tried for about 2 weeks to get a range for openttd.org from sixxs.net 23:36:49 <OwenS> The alternative is ipv6.he.net 23:37:00 <OwenS> But 23:37:08 <OwenS> I'd just enable automatic tunneling on your servers 23:37:24 <Rubidium> due to all kinds of bureaucratic shit we never used it as after 2 days we had enough of it and went for freenet6, which was done withing 5 minutes (and can even been done anonymously) 23:38:13 <OwenS> https://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/IPv6#6to4 is how I do it 23:38:34 <Rubidium> and then we were the 'referee' between a 'fight' of a few LeaseWeb employees; the 'helpdesky' guy said you can't get IPv6, the 'IPv6 implementing guy' said we could 23:38:47 <OwenS> lol 23:38:49 <Rubidium> so after about 2 weeks of freenode we went to native IPv6 23:39:15 <Rubidium> which is way better than any encapsulation 23:39:48 <OwenS> I'm waiting for Linode to offer IPv6... 23:40:07 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-54405fb1.wfd77b.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:40:29 <Rubidium> 2.5% of the www hits on the server are IPv6 23:40:48 <OwenS> Thats quite an impressively high number 23:41:10 <Rubidium> although the number of unique IPs is 0.8%-ish 23:43:27 <glx> Rubidium: I increase the stats everyday ;) 23:43:59 <OwenS> It would be fun to have your IPv6 address just be an incrementing counter based on microtime :p 23:45:06 <glx> I have a static (based on MAC) and dynamic (windows 'feature') and the dynamic one is used by default 23:47:43 *** Fox [~Flop@217.72.209.42] has quit [] 23:51:21 *** xZise [~xzise@91-64-75-115-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:51:40 <OwenS> Somewhat more on channel topic: 741 trains through a station? Not bad 23:52:46 <Rubidium> depends on the timeframe 23:53:26 <OwenS> Thats 741 trains that visit it in total :p 23:53:28 <Rubidium> you could easily have 128 trains in a station at a time 23:53:42 <OwenS> 258 are pickup, rest are drop 23:54:00 <OwenS> And being fed/emptied via 5 tracks 23:54:20 <Rubidium> say they do their thing in 5 game days, is more than 741/month 23:55:14 <OwenS> Using the timetable to get the time for a goods train... 23:55:46 <OwenS> It's probably somewhat less than that considering they take several days to navigate the exit :p 23:56:26 <Rubidium> what, you're not playing with the instant at 30000 km/h maglevs? 23:56:36 <OwenS> no :p 23:56:56 <OwenS> Tropic Renewal Set doesn't have maglevs :p 23:57:42 <Rubidium> @calc 3700/190 23:57:42 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 19.4736842105 23:58:33 <Rubidium> ^ RX+TX of server in GB / uptime 23:58:49 <OwenS> heh 23:59:01 <OwenS> Aww, I didn't grab my old server's uptime before I decomissioned it :( 23:59:18 <Rubidium> the 'current' average is even higher than that; bananas has really caused a lot of traffic 23:59:27 <OwenS> lol