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has joined #openttd 07:22:53 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has quit [Excess Flood] 07:23:06 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has joined #openttd 07:39:23 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 07:41:58 <TrueBrain> lovely, emails in German, where I really cant make out what the question is .. then my German writing and speaking is poor, but my reading is pretty okay. Still .. no fucking clue :p 07:47:06 <TrueBrain> lol, babelfish makes less sense out of it then I did myself :p 07:48:36 <TrueBrain> oh well .. guess he won't receive an answer to his OpenTTD question :p Ghehe :) 08:02:53 <Alberth> write 'I don't understand your question, could you please send an english version? thank you' 08:03:46 <Alberth> good morning, by the way 08:04:19 <Noldo> morning 08:04:36 <Prof_Frink> I demand more ning! 08:05:30 <Noldo> ningningning 08:33:34 <andythenorth> morning 08:33:40 *** heffer [~felix@ip-88-152-182-156.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #openttd 08:36:59 <Alberth> hai andy 08:41:53 *** DJNekkid [~thomas@static128-249.adsl.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:47:11 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F971.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:50:36 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 08:57:35 *** DJNekkid [~thomas@static128-249.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 09:08:53 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 09:12:28 *** goblin_ [~goblin@dslb-088-064-043-051.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 09:36:36 *** DanMacK [~here@65.94.201.53] has joined #openttd 09:42:20 *** goblin_ [~goblin@dslb-088-064-043-051.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:46:58 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DBA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:49:03 <planetmaker> good morning 09:50:18 <Alberth> gooding morningning (asing requesteding bying profing_Frinking) 09:50:22 <fjb> Moin 09:50:45 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-230-157.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 09:53:51 <Prof_Frink> Goodning Morningning Alningberthning 09:56:58 *** DanMacK [~here@65.94.201.53] has quit [] 10:08:10 <andythenorth> why would an RV refit from 20t coal to 40 crates of goods, but a ship refits from 95t coal to 95 crates goods :o 10:08:18 <andythenorth> I should know, I wrote the code for both :| 10:14:36 <fjb> The good on the ship are getting soaked and get heavier. 10:24:44 *** OwenS`Phone [~mirggi@82.132.139.57] has joined #openttd 10:31:00 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-a3f3e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 10:41:30 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@76.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 10:41:38 <Terkhen> hello 10:41:59 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:42:49 <andythenorth> hi Terkhen 10:43:52 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:48:28 <andythenorth> meh 10:48:34 <andythenorth> can't decode canset :( 10:50:32 *** goblin_ [~goblin@dslb-088-064-043-051.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 10:58:42 <andythenorth> meh 10:59:32 <andythenorth> my rather nice save game blows up ottd with a floating point exception 10:59:53 <Rubidium> andythenorth: don't divide by zero then! 11:00:43 <planetmaker> :-D 11:00:49 <andythenorth> so how do I make sense of a crash log 11:01:00 <planetmaker> They even don't allow us to do so on university level :-( 11:01:00 <andythenorth> I don't know if this is me or some other grf 11:01:37 <Rubidium> planetmaker: though giving a floating point exception is kinda funny for division by 0 :) 11:01:38 <planetmaker> even though division by zero is infinitely more funny than multiplication with 11:02:08 <planetmaker> Rubidium: hm.... funny? 11:02:19 <planetmaker> what should it be? :-) 11:02:24 <Rubidium> like... we know we can place a decimal point in the number, but we don't know the rest of the number... so the (decimal) point is kinda floating on its own 11:02:35 <planetmaker> lool :-) 11:03:29 <andythenorth> This is the crash log: http://paste.openttd.org/225418 11:03:42 <andythenorth> looks like something to do with RVs, could be me in that case 11:03:59 <andythenorth> hmm 11:05:27 <Rubidium> if we only knew what's exactly at the 1553th byte of RoadVehicle::Tick 11:06:47 <andythenorth> think I've found the issue: old version of HEQS downloaded via bananas. 11:07:36 * andythenorth tripped up by not versioning the grf id 11:08:01 <andythenorth> but then again, that's not always the right thing to do :o 11:13:40 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fcd46.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:21:10 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 11:22:09 <andythenorth> what are the implications of this? http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=47778 11:24:02 <planetmaker> I wonder, too :-) 11:24:29 <planetmaker> Seems like "OTTD did a, so let's rather do b and call OpenTTD wrong" 11:24:46 <andythenorth> If he's talking about what I think he's talking about, it might make sense 11:25:16 <andythenorth> when I was using layered ground sprites in FIRS, the implementation seemed sane, but inefficient 11:25:17 <Rubidium> I think it depends on what a "ground sprite" is 11:25:20 <planetmaker> yes and no. I'm not sure in how far it is used 11:25:51 <planetmaker> yeah. Define "Ground sprite"... 11:26:27 <Rubidium> because arguably when foundations start to appear... they're not ground sprites anymore 11:26:49 <Rubidium> but then, I've got no real clue about the matter 11:27:21 <andythenorth> I have quite a bit of slightly complex code for foundations.... :| 11:27:39 <planetmaker> I doubt it would get much less complex, would it? 11:27:42 <andythenorth> I'm not sure I want to engage with this as an issue. I could make something cool instead. 11:27:54 <planetmaker> :-) 11:28:00 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.17.249.21] has joined #openttd 11:28:02 <andythenorth> like some fricking narrow gauge trains, as canset 1.0 is refusing me refits 11:28:23 <andythenorth> are there any other narrow gauge sets? Serbian set seems to be broken 11:28:44 <planetmaker> Hm... 11:28:45 <Rubidium> though I guess frosch123 will have more insights into the matter 11:29:06 <KenjiE20> andythenorth: Japan? 11:29:15 <Rubidium> andythenorth: don't bother about canset; a) it's not supported, b) it won't be fixed 11:29:27 <Rubidium> c) you'll be flamed when you ask for fixing it 11:30:21 <andythenorth> I was just going to decomp locally, fix cargos, reencode for personal use :) 11:30:29 <andythenorth> but it seems to be impossible to decode with grfcoded 11:30:34 <andythenorth> c /s 11:30:41 <andythenorth> hmm 11:31:00 <andythenorth> This is the error: Cannot write to sprites/CaTrS00.wav: No such file or directory 11:31:15 <andythenorth> that makes me think....I can't encode sounds either, I tried for HEQS and get a similar error 11:31:15 <Rubidium> lol 11:31:31 <andythenorth> planetmaker: can your mac grfcodec decode / encode sounds? 11:31:56 <planetmaker> I don't know. But I know that my grfcodec on mac doesn't decode pcx properly 11:32:03 <planetmaker> it writes wrong headers 11:32:07 <planetmaker> but nfo works 11:32:16 <planetmaker> never tried with sound. 11:36:48 *** aber [~Adium@p5B3262C8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:37:47 * andythenorth gives in and adds NARS 2.0 to a game. Again :P 11:38:36 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has joined #openttd 11:39:22 <andythenorth> rail types can do mixed-gauge track? 11:40:32 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc1dee.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:42:35 * DanMacK senses dual gauge...? 11:44:16 <andythenorth> that would be ideal 11:44:28 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@228.104.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 11:44:30 <andythenorth> or even just allowing a tile to contain diagonal ng and sg tracks 11:45:10 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 11:46:07 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 11:46:27 *** OwenS`Phone [~mirggi@82.132.139.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:49:13 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:52:05 <DanMacK> Coolness 11:52:08 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has joined #openttd 11:52:09 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c115.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:54:14 <planetmaker> or even just allowing a tile to contain diagonal ng and sg tracks <-- that won't work 11:55:03 *** Mks is now known as Alve 11:55:03 *** Alve [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has quit [] 11:55:17 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has joined #openttd 11:56:00 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has quit [] 11:59:28 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@228.104.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 12:00:41 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 12:01:20 *** HackaLittleBit [~Hans@87-196-215-68.net.novis.pt] has joined #openttd 12:01:36 <HackaLittleBit> morning everyone 12:03:15 * andythenorth experiments with timetables 12:05:28 * andythenorth gets baking 12:09:35 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 12:09:39 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [] 12:10:23 <elmz> it's a while since I looked at roadmaps 12:10:43 <elmz> they have become....smaller 12:12:31 <Zuu> Yep, since everyone uses GPS nowdays anyways :-) 12:13:51 *** Grelouk__ [~Grelouk@228.104.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 12:15:07 <elmz> *clap....clap....clap....* 12:19:18 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@228.104.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:19:31 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@228.104.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:22:54 <fonsinchen> Rubidium: Is it true that you consider the threading of cargodist the most important problem for its inclusion into trunk? 12:23:44 <planetmaker> fonsinchen: threading is serious issue as it leads to desyncs potentially 12:25:49 <fonsinchen> I'm 100% sure that there are no remaining desync problems with the implementation. 12:26:15 <fonsinchen> The design was robust from the beginning on, I only had a few stupid errors in the implementation. 12:26:39 <fonsinchen> Those are fixed now and I haven't seen a desync reported in months 12:27:01 <fonsinchen> However, I can provide an option to inline all the calculations in the main thread if that helps. 12:27:16 <fonsinchen> In fact this is already done if the platform doesn't provide threads. 12:27:54 <planetmaker> have you seen it tested on a multiplayer server with more than two two people with different platforms joining the same game? 12:28:08 <fonsinchen> (There is one potential desync problem that I'm going to fix today, but it doesn't have anything to do with the threading). 12:28:33 <fonsinchen> I haven't seen it tested, but there were several people in the thread claiming to have tested it 12:28:51 <planetmaker> one person has a very hard stand to trigger desyncs. 12:28:56 <planetmaker> *alone 12:29:13 * andythenorth ponders text string IDs :| 12:29:17 <planetmaker> They mostly show in diverse environments on MP servers 12:29:23 <fonsinchen> I have asked them several times if they were playing it in MP and they claimed they did. 12:29:32 <planetmaker> ok :-) 12:29:35 <fonsinchen> I mean, I can't test it alone either. 12:29:40 <planetmaker> yes :S 12:30:13 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@228.104.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 12:30:22 <fonsinchen> The remaining desync would show up if with industries changing their acceptance on callback. 12:30:30 <andythenorth> when should I use a D0 instead of a DC text and vice versa? 12:30:38 <fonsinchen> Obviously that situation hasn't been tested extensively. 12:30:45 <Zuu> I guess teaming up with dev.openttdcoop.org could provide more "authentic" reports, but still testing MP is not very easy. 12:31:29 <frosch123> damn, i spent almost a hour with mb's stupid post 12:31:30 <planetmaker> Well, yes, we certainly can offer our dev server for those testing purposes. Problem even there IMHO is to get sufficient people to thoroughly test it :-) 12:31:40 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-a3f3e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:31:52 <planetmaker> It needs some serious advertisement in all cases, a nice scenario or reason for people to actually join 12:32:05 <fonsinchen> Last time we had Cargodist running on openttdcoop about 3 people tried it in as many weeks 12:32:15 <planetmaker> fonsinchen: yeah... I recall :-( 12:32:32 <planetmaker> I was honestly also a bit disappointed by the size of the testing crew. 12:32:59 <planetmaker> That's, though, why I mean that it needs to create some excitement, a reason for people to grab it. 12:33:29 <planetmaker> And possibly we might need to ask Rubidium to provide some nice binaries :-) That lowers the entry barrier quite substiantially 12:33:42 <planetmaker> But even then... also the last IS2 tests were only very short. 12:34:06 *** Hyronymus [~chatzilla@s5591a1ba.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:34:26 <planetmaker> Running such server needs "community work" to make it worthwhile 12:34:36 <planetmaker> Like maybe making it a challange or so. 12:34:46 <planetmaker> Best team wins a cookie ;-) 12:35:24 <fonsinchen> Maybe we just announce the game in the Cargodist thread 12:35:37 <fonsinchen> I think last time I didn't. 12:35:57 <planetmaker> And also important, I think: those people who create the air, they need to actually play themselves. Creating a base stock of players which makes it for other players interesting to join 12:36:16 *** Grelouk__ [~Grelouk@228.104.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:36:26 <planetmaker> And the latter has been also IMHO a problem. Like also not too many of us played those games very extensively. 12:36:30 <fonsinchen> I can't play 24/7. My time is limited. 12:36:32 <planetmaker> including myself actually 12:36:39 <planetmaker> yes, as is mine. 12:36:54 <fonsinchen> And I had joined the coop cargodist game 12:37:06 <fonsinchen> Actually I think I was the one who built most of the stuff ... 12:37:10 <planetmaker> I'm not trying to say you didn't :-) 12:37:44 <planetmaker> It was more of a general statement. Targeted at ... the hardcore players :-) 12:37:58 *** aber1 [~Adium@p5B3262C8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:38:58 *** aber [~Adium@p5B3262C8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:44:38 *** goblin_ [~goblin@dslb-088-064-043-051.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:48:28 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:59:20 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:3063:7244:65b7:bcaa] has joined #openttd 12:59:23 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:03:58 <OwenS> planetmaker: Have you considered making .dev replace the PZ when its running? 13:04:17 <planetmaker> OwenS: in what way 'replace'? 13:04:49 <planetmaker> like removing one and only run one of those servers? 13:04:55 <OwenS> Kinda I suppose 13:05:10 <planetmaker> that's anyway effectively what happens. wrt the players :-) 13:05:23 <OwenS> Heh 13:06:01 *** heffer [~felix@ip-88-152-182-156.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 13:06:20 <OwenS> I suppose you could alternavtively run it instead of the PSG, provided the binaries & source were easily available 13:06:26 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 13:09:29 <OwenS> It would certainly guarantee the players, and hopefully we would get some extensive testing for the week or so it was on 13:13:47 <Rubidium> fonsinchen: the threading certainly makes the reviewing of the patch trickier because of the strange things that might happen with threading 13:15:03 <Rubidium> planetmaker: true, you can ask... don't forget to mention "18" though 13:15:29 <planetmaker> :-) "18"? 13:15:53 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: "I am not aware of an released station set using that feature [...] so it would likely not be that troublesome if newer station sets would need a nightly." <-- if i interpret his recent statements correctly, he is trying to put railtypes support into NewStations 13:16:25 <frosch123> what is the relation of that to "released station set" ? 13:17:01 <planetmaker> leet speak? 13:17:03 <Eddi|zuHause> probably, not much, but 1.0.0 will stay around for a year... 13:17:57 <frosch123> and there will be a new release of newstations in one year? 13:19:53 <Eddi|zuHause> well, at least _I_ hope that :) 13:20:06 <andythenorth> I'm 90% certain I use layered sprites in FIRS industry tiles. I'd have to check, but I remember reading station documentation to understand how to do it. 13:20:29 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: NewStations is probably older than most of that spec :p 13:20:59 <andythenorth> fricking refit texts, I'm baffled :\ 13:21:04 <Eddi|zuHause> people have been requesting narrow gauge support in NewStations for years, i'd hoped railtypes makes that support easier 13:22:02 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: just as cargo classes make it easiert to support new cargos 13:22:05 <frosch123> :p 13:22:38 <Eddi|zuHause> ... anyway, at least it makes support more necessary :p 13:23:13 <frosch123> unless of course the grfauthor does not accept his default station to use the a different railset than he designed it for, or that his generic container truck should not carry any other cargo than intended, as the unreadable label would look different.... 13:25:01 <Eddi|zuHause> there was a discussion about container trucks? i must have missed that... 13:25:31 <frosch123> no idea, i just wanted to mention that compatibiilty is not a goal for everyone 13:25:50 <frosch123> but rather a bug for some :p 13:25:57 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host49-16-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 13:26:02 <Wolf01> hello :D 13:26:28 <frosch123> it's a wolf 13:26:50 <OwenS> In good news, I'm unable to make ProgSigs crash :-) 13:28:49 <OwenS> ...spoke too soon :p 13:29:48 <frosch123> usual murphybug 13:30:21 <planetmaker> :-D 13:30:35 <OwenS> Well, murphybugs are better than bugs which happen to other people :p 13:30:55 <frosch123> hmm, maybe the wrong term. but it is not schrödingbug either 13:31:08 <OwenS> Problem is I wasnt running under gdb and didn't get a crash log :X 13:32:30 <OwenS> OK, reprod in GDB :-) 13:32:49 <planetmaker> heisenbergbug is also mean: you know where it is, but it runs away very fast. You know which way it goes, but you cannot pinpoint it. Chose one. 13:34:12 <OwenS> Oh... fluurgh... quite a complex one too 13:35:09 <OwenS> One that could basically be called "ifs behave in funny ways" 13:43:43 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-253-249.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 13:44:13 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DBA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:45:59 <planetmaker> frosch123: I'd like to congratulate you to your answer 13:46:05 <planetmaker> (in tt-forums) 13:51:25 <OwenS> OK, bug fixed 13:52:36 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FFFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:04:57 *** goblin_ [~goblin@dslb-088-064-043-051.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 14:05:25 <frosch123> err, what? 14:05:37 <frosch123> thanks :) 14:08:14 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@76.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 14:13:32 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm137.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 14:32:53 *** ajmiles2 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:34:21 *** ajmiles3 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:38:41 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:40:57 *** ajmiles2 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:02:09 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F971.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:04:50 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 15:05:57 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 15:06:47 *** ajmiles2 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:13:20 *** ajmiles3 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:16:40 * andythenorth keeps sending vehicles out of dept with the wrong refit :( 15:16:58 * andythenorth ponders. maybe there's a way to show the current cargos in the route menu 15:29:12 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@219.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 15:32:49 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:40:21 *** DJNekkid [~thomas@static128-249.adsl.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:49:07 *** Ryand-Smith [~W@96.242.117.90] has joined #openttd 15:56:43 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-mlimmlgw1-ff1ec000-127.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 15:57:40 *** DJNekkid [~thomas@static128-249.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 15:59:08 *** jano [~Miranda@195.91.55.191] has joined #openttd 15:59:31 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host86-147-226-93.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 15:59:54 <jano> hi all 16:00:13 <jano> do you know why running open ttd under debug mode is so slow? 16:00:45 <jano> cpu usage is 50% all the time even when not doing anything 16:00:51 <Rubidium> what OS, what compiler? 16:01:02 <jano> i.e. one cpu core is full used 16:01:20 <jano> Windows Vista 32bit, Visual Studio 2008 Express Edition 16:02:13 <Eddi|zuHause> it is normal that debug is slower than release 16:02:31 <Eddi|zuHause> and i presume you have a dual core, so it's 100% of one core 16:03:10 <jano> yes, dual core 16:03:23 <Eddi|zuHause> and depending what "not anything" is, there are a lot of things that work in the background 16:03:26 <Rubidium> MSVC debug builds are notoriously slow; not sure what it all does, though I expect an enormous load of extra checks 16:05:39 <jano> when i pause game (through button in game display, not through visual studio debugger) then CPU usage is negligable. This is strange for me because release version is much faster 16:07:06 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... something's wrong... when i bisect a graphics issue, the fault is unlikely to be in an msi commit... 16:08:28 <Rubidium> jano: why do you expect debug builds to be as fast as release versions? 16:09:26 * OwenS wishes getting GCC's debugging to work as well as MSVCs was easier than specifying a million command line options (Slowness isn't an issue; issues which turn up half an hour later are) 16:09:35 <jano> rubidium: i dont expect the debug version to be as fast as release, but 50% and 1-2% CPU utilization is big difference. but maybe its normal in openttd, i dont know 16:10:03 <jano> 1-2% i mean for release version 16:10:44 <OwenS> jano: I have projects which take 100x as much CPU power with a debug build. It depends upon how the compiler and code is instrumented 16:10:45 <jano> it recalls me some infinite loop 16:10:47 <Rubidium> jano: as I said, I've got no clue what kind of debugging MSVC adds, but it certainly disables optimisations (which with wrapper functions means more function calls) and I reckon it might be enabling leak/memory checking which is even worse performance wise 16:11:34 <OwenS> gcc -fmudflap -fssp is about the same speed as MSVC's debug IIRC 16:11:50 <OwenS> So I'd guess it's what you do 16:12:38 <jano> IIRC? what does it mean? 16:12:50 *** DJNekkid [~thomas@static128-249.adsl.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:13:14 <KenjiE20> If I Remember Correctly 16:13:14 <OwenS> If I remember correctly... 16:13:15 <PeterT> If I remember Correctly 16:13:21 <KenjiE20> :D 16:13:32 <Rubidium> remember, recall, what's the difference? :) 16:14:15 <SmatZ> it took 36 seconds to each of you to type "If I Remember Correctly"? 16:14:22 <SmatZ> nice coincidence :) 16:14:35 <PeterT> Not all of us are only watching #openttd 16:14:37 <glx> debug builds are not optimised at all (compare linking time between debug and release) 16:14:46 <KenjiE20> I paused :P 16:15:09 <glx> and debug builds check all memory access, and for uninitialised variables access too 16:15:40 <glx> so many extra calls 16:16:08 <OwenS> But quite valuable extra calls 16:16:16 <glx> true 16:16:59 <glx> optimisations can cause bugs too 16:17:09 <glx> (we had nice ones in newgrf code) 16:17:23 <glx> due to undefined behaviour indeed 16:17:40 <glx> like function(random(),random()) 16:17:47 * OwenS wonders why ld is producing an executable objcopy dislikes 16:20:07 *** PeterT_ [~Peter@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:20:41 *** dfox [~dfox@r11jn246.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: C-x C-c] 16:20:47 *** sparr [~kvirc@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:21:44 <jano> I thought about adding some new function. Its very inconvenient when plane is broken on long path for example between two edges of map. It would be very useful if plane could go to nearest hangar from its actual position for repairing. 16:22:55 <jano> providing that plane path would not be longer to much (for example maximum +20%) 16:23:23 <OwenS> Or you could turn off breakdowns :p 16:25:04 *** DJNekkid [~thomas@static128-249.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 16:25:29 *** goblin_ [~goblin@dslb-088-064-043-051.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:27:58 * andythenorth thinks about turning off breakdowns. Bored of building depots for trains. 16:28:54 *** PeterT_ [~Peter@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Goodbye] 16:30:38 <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't played with breakdowns for years 16:34:29 *** PeterT_ [~Peter@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:37:19 *** PeterT_ [~Peter@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 16:38:10 *** HackaLittleBit [~Hans@87-196-215-68.net.novis.pt] has quit [Quit: Arividerchi] 16:53:10 * andythenorth turning off breakdowns seems...wrong :o 16:53:43 <Eddi|zuHause> model trains don't break down! 16:55:12 <fjb> Breakdowns give you a reason to renew your verhicles. 16:57:04 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has joined #openttd 16:57:12 <Eddi|zuHause> improved speed/power/capacity gives you a reason to renew your vehicles 16:57:39 <andythenorth> true 16:57:43 <Eddi|zuHause> or the maintenance costs should increase for old vehicles 16:57:51 <andythenorth> Pikka's implemented that 16:57:54 <Eddi|zuHause> but breakdowns are just plain annoying 16:58:14 <andythenorth> breakdowns I don't mind, but servicing is quite problematic 16:58:17 <Eddi|zuHause> plus, brand new trains also break down all the time 16:58:23 <andythenorth> sometimes Rvs can't find a depot 16:58:41 <andythenorth> and PBS can have all kinds of issues with finding a depot 17:00:17 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-47-252.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:00:52 *** mickster14 [~mickster0@adsl-213-249-248-88.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:01:45 * andythenorth ships engineering supplies in biplanes with 3 crate capacity :P Pikka FTW 17:02:13 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-111-189.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 17:02:16 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 17:02:43 * andythenorth neeeeeeed a 1 tile wide airport. just a landing strip :) 17:03:07 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.18.171] has joined #openttd 17:07:10 *** mickster04 [~mickster0@adsl-83-100-157-218.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:09:11 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host86-147-226-93.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:19:11 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:21:28 *** Splex [~splex@n219079142042.netvigator.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:26:58 *** Ryand-Smith [~W@96.242.117.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:27:27 <Eddi|zuHause> a "heliport" for zeppelins may be nice 17:27:55 <Alberth> a zeppiport 17:29:52 <andythenorth> :P 17:32:07 *** mickster14 is now known as mickster04 17:33:28 *** jano [~Miranda@195.91.55.191] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 17:37:14 <Sevalecan> hmm, how can I get the number the town gui window_number represents without such a window? :P 17:45:09 * andythenorth ponders a tramway for hauling milk 17:45:48 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-147-043.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:46:27 <Rubidium> Sevalecan: look at what instantiates the opening of the window for inspiration 17:46:44 <Sevalecan> heh 17:46:52 <Sevalecan> I had not thought of that :P 17:48:53 <Sevalecan> sweet. it's working. 17:50:18 <Sevalecan> <3 17:56:27 <Sevalecan> I should have been using git when I started making changes. oh well. 17:56:34 *** lolman [~Holygoat@cust247-dsl93-89-128.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:56:56 *** lolman [~Holygoat@cust247-dsl93-89-128.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 17:57:19 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-147-043.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:02:06 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 18:04:42 <frosch123> peter1138: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=47778 <- now it's heading toward railtypes 18:05:52 *** Splex [~splex@n219079142042.netvigator.com] has joined #openttd 18:06:24 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-147-043.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:07:01 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-147-043.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:15:40 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:17:17 *** ajmiles3 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:18:14 <Eddi|zuHause> what's the magic git incantation to get a diff to a commit? 18:18:48 <Eddi|zuHause> the equivalent of svn diff -c <rev> 18:18:51 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: git diff from to 18:19:12 <OwenS> I think git diff ^commit commit should work 18:19:20 *** ajmiles2 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:19:54 <Eddi|zuHause> nope 18:20:00 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 18:21:20 <OwenS> Sorry, git diff commit^ commit 18:21:43 <OwenS> Or git diff commit{^,} 18:21:46 *** ajmiles2 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:22:34 <Eddi|zuHause> apparently it's "git show commit" 18:22:41 <OwenS> Heh 18:22:53 <Wizzleby> git diff old new does work also 18:23:19 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 18:23:21 <Eddi|zuHause> Wizzleby: yes, but that involves figuring out what "old" and "new" is 18:23:31 <Wizzleby> Eddi|zuHause: git log :) 18:23:38 <OwenS> or commit^ ... 18:24:05 <Wizzleby> Eddi|zuHause: however, if you're diffing two sequential commits, git show commit is easier 18:24:07 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:24:07 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: yes, but apparently that also requires figuring out on which side the ^ goes :) 18:24:23 <Wizzleby> Eddi|zuHause: standard diff syntax: old new 18:26:05 *** ajmiles3 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:36:47 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:37:28 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9E1B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:37:43 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has joined #openttd 18:38:46 *** ajmiles3 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:40:31 *** Razmir [~razmir@23.57.broadband10.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 18:41:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm feeling i have been doing nothing but compiling all week... 18:42:27 <PeterT> Now you know how I feel 18:43:05 *** ajmiles2 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:45:35 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:47:28 <frosch123> why are you compiling? don't you have a compiler for that? 18:49:35 *** ajmiles3 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:49:39 * planetmaker compiles an annual work report... Not fun. 18:50:36 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:50:57 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9E1B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... Der, der blÀht, als hinterster geht!] 18:52:06 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: correction, i have been doing nothing but watching the compiler compile... 18:53:45 <andythenorth> frosch123: resp. mb's discussion. I'm looking at an industry that layers sprites. When coding it, I was initially surprised that I had to provide real sprites for ground. I assumed there would be a way to reuse an existing tile for 'ground'. 18:53:58 <andythenorth> However, I don't mind either way. 18:54:23 <frosch123> andythenorth: mb's stuff is only station specific, not related to houses and industries 18:55:18 <andythenorth> ok 18:55:20 <frosch123> houses and industries get their groundtiles always from a different set (though from the same action1, but that applies to stations as well) 18:56:02 <andythenorth> I assumed they were conceptually same, as the documentation for industry tiles sharing bounding box is on the stations page of the TTDP wiki 18:56:25 <andythenorth> my understanding of tile stuff is only enough to make my nfo work though :o 18:57:21 <frosch123> houses and industries were developed by csaboka as a whole. stations add douzands of special cases around the original code, which makes lots about it quite complicated :) 18:59:42 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-f5f9e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 19:00:31 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9E1B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:00:54 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:02:03 <planetmaker> so... does it then make sense to kinda unify the behaviour / add the industry tiles behaviour there, too? 19:02:25 <frosch123> they are completely incompatible 19:03:28 <frosch123> the usage of spritesets and sprites in a spriteset is kind of "transposed" (like the matrix transformation) 19:03:38 <planetmaker> well... they are. But need they stay? 19:04:01 <frosch123> i am not going to start a topic to completely trash newstation specs 19:04:03 <frosch123> :p 19:04:09 <planetmaker> :-P 19:04:57 <planetmaker> I wished my day had 48 hours. 19:05:10 <andythenorth> mine does, you should upgrade 19:05:30 <andythenorth> well not 48 hours 19:05:49 <planetmaker> 48 half hours? ;-) 19:06:05 <aber1> and what do you do at night? 19:06:07 <andythenorth> 2F hours 19:06:40 <andythenorth> or is it 1F? How does hex work anyway? 19:06:48 <frosch123> @base 10 16 24 19:06:48 <DorpsGek> frosch123: 18 19:06:51 * andythenorth goes back to the truck pictures 19:08:30 <planetmaker> @base 8 10 48 19:08:30 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: Error: Invalid <number> for base 8: 48 19:08:35 <Alberth> andythenorth: 2F = 2 * 16 + 15 (net als 34 = 3 * 10 + 4) 19:08:53 <Alberth> s/net als/just like/ :p 19:09:08 <planetmaker> @base 08 10 48 19:09:08 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: Error: '08' is not a valid base. 19:09:12 <planetmaker> hmpf 19:09:24 <frosch123> planetmaker: octal only has digit 0 to 7 19:09:46 <planetmaker> true. I was searching 9 :-) 19:09:51 <planetmaker> @base 9 10 48 19:09:51 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 44 19:09:57 <planetmaker> but that doesn't help 19:10:04 *** PeterT_ [~Peter@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:11:54 *** PeterT_ [~Peter@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 19:13:21 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FFFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:19:25 *** ashb [~ash@callisto.firemirror.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:23:04 *** ashb [~ash@callisto.firemirror.com] has joined #openttd 19:28:40 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:35:12 <OwenS> Some people need to learn the term "Colon Cancer" 19:35:53 <frosch123> :::) 19:35:54 <OwenS> "Now Playing: Coheed and Cambria - Good Apollow, I'm Burning Star IV, Volume 1: From Fear Through the Eyes of Madness - The Willling Well III: Apollo II: The Telling Truth" (phew!) 19:36:02 <OwenS> Good Apollo, ...** 19:36:44 <KenjiE20> >_> 19:37:41 <OwenS> I think, after composing such a long album name, they decides "Lets just chuck titles and subtitles on the songs" :P 19:38:26 *** Razmir [~razmir@23.57.broadband10.iol.cz] has left #openttd [] 19:38:38 * KenjiE20 np: 11. Bernie Leadon - The Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy :: The No.1 Sci Fi Album (CD 2 - TV Themes) 19:38:42 <KenjiE20> while playing EVE 19:38:44 <KenjiE20> :P 19:39:12 <OwenS> Where did that must get taken from? 19:39:31 <OwenS> I presume by "TV themes" it must be the original BBC series? 19:39:48 <KenjiE20> yea 19:39:56 * KenjiE20 prefers the radio theme 19:40:01 <KenjiE20> but I don't have that to hand 19:42:49 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 19:42:53 <KenjiE20> I do have the 5 radio series around somewhere, I should stick them on sometime 19:45:11 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm137.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:45:33 <OwenS> Hmm, note to self: Konversation has the useful /audio 19:49:26 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:49:36 <KenjiE20> on the subject of ridiculous length titles 19:49:38 * KenjiE20 np: 11. Maximum The Hormone - Chu Chu Lovely Muni Muni Mura Mura Purin Purin Boron Nurururerorero :: Buiiki Kaesu 19:49:38 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 19:49:40 <KenjiE20> :D 19:49:56 <OwenS> KenjiE20: Don't make me get out the TTGL sountrack... 19:50:02 <KenjiE20> :P 19:50:18 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-111-189.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:50:29 <OwenS> Several of those titles are so long Windows users can't use them as the filename :p 19:50:58 <KenjiE20> hah 19:52:35 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-113-232.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 19:52:37 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 19:52:37 <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds like a "your mother is so fat" joke... 19:52:48 <OwenS> (Another source of long names is GITS: SAC: SSS: OST...") 19:53:24 <Eoin> ooh ghost in the shell something something complex 19:53:26 <Eoin> i should know this 19:53:31 <Eoin> secure something 19:53:44 <OwenS> Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex: Solid State Society: Official Soundtrack... 19:53:50 <Eoin> thats it :P 19:54:05 <KenjiE20> ye 19:54:17 <KenjiE20> not as funky as SAC 1 though 19:54:31 <OwenS> Zero Signal still has awesome abience 19:54:52 <OwenS> Although I must admit I'm a fan of 2nd Gig's Torukia 19:55:00 <KenjiE20> hmmm, now where'd that instrumental of Run Rabbit Junk go? 19:55:53 <KenjiE20> aha :) 19:58:04 <KenjiE20> "08. Ilaria Graziano - from the roof top ~ somewhere in the silence (sniper's theme) :: Ghost In The Shell STAND ALONE COMPLEX Solid State Society O.S.T." <-- longest one there :P 19:58:35 <OwenS> KenjiE20: Your title is missing the commas, and OST should be expanded :p 19:58:38 <KenjiE20> longest of the entire GITS OST, from what I can tell, too 19:58:58 <KenjiE20> meh, it's the tag Nipponsei gave it 19:59:06 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has joined #openttd 19:59:21 <OwenS> I need to reacquire the SSS OST. It got lost in the Great Debian Installer Cockup of 09 19:59:24 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... for the last half hour, i have not understood a single word... 19:59:51 <KenjiE20> lol 20:00:24 <OwenS> (Namely, I somehow set the rm -Rf /drive flag in Debian Installer. I do not understand how. What I do know is that, of ~500GB on that partition, there was only 300GB left when I killed it) 20:00:30 <KenjiE20> OwenS: afaik Nipponsei's torrents always have at least a single seed 20:00:58 * OwenS sshs to the HTPC to start it 20:02:16 <OwenS> 10 seeds at present :-) 20:02:44 <KenjiE20> not surprising, it's GITS :) 20:02:56 <OwenS> Indeed 20:03:14 <KenjiE20> I need to do the full spree again soon 20:03:38 <KenjiE20> GITS -> SAC -> SAC2 -> Innocence -> SAC:SSS 20:03:57 <OwenS> Meh; I place GITS and GITS2 in their own category 20:04:03 <KenjiE20> -> GITS2.0 20:04:13 <OwenS> GITS2.0 and GITS2 are different movies ;-) 20:04:23 <KenjiE20> I know 20:04:32 <OwenS> Oh, missed the -> 20:04:46 <KenjiE20> :) eyecandy 20:04:50 <Eoin> ive only seen half of sac 20:05:02 <KenjiE20> Eoin: watchitwatchitwatchitwatchitwatchit 20:05:15 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C7AB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:05:18 <Eoin> i watched ouran and k-on instead 20:05:19 <OwenS> I'm gonna rewatch SAC once my 1080p download of it finishes :p 20:05:22 <Eoin> but will watch rest of sac 20:05:39 <KenjiE20> I need to watch K-On! 20:06:01 <KenjiE20> just waiting for Frostii's last bdrip to.... wait, it has... yay 20:06:38 <Eoin> k-on is... 20:06:43 <Eoin> YAY 20:08:27 * KenjiE20 has way too much sitting in the 'to watch' queue 20:09:06 <KenjiE20> just finished Mushishi, that was a damn good watch 20:14:15 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 20:21:06 <fonsinchen> Rubidium, could you please build a new version of Cargodist on the CF and push it into openttdcoop's webspace? 20:27:01 *** PeterT^ [~Peter@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:27:02 *** PeterT^ [~Peter@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:27:45 *** PeterT^ [~Peter@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:28:22 *** PeterT^ is now known as PeterT_ 20:29:23 <Rubidium> fonsinchen: it's started; don't know how long the full checkout is going to take (seems to be "wasting" at least 3 minutes already) 20:30:40 <fonsinchen> I have done an aggressive gc in february 20:31:02 <fonsinchen> thanks 20:31:43 <Rubidium> took 3.5 minutes 20:31:50 <OwenS> fonsinchen: Whats the revision were gonna be running? 20:32:38 <fonsinchen> should be 5b3732ce8c6019198a7367ed7513d9c04dcb6858 20:33:00 * OwenS updates channel topic 20:33:14 <fonsinchen> or g5b3732ce-cargodist 20:35:12 *** wolfy [~Wolfenste@dhcp-077-250-089-252.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:36:39 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75CE1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:36:58 *** wolfy [~Wolfenste@dhcp-077-250-089-252.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 20:37:05 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75CE1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:38:58 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9E1B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 20:39:22 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:41:39 <OwenS> Gah, tarbomb (well, zipbomb) 20:43:47 <glx> no zip for windows plaform 20:45:38 <glx> ie without subdir 20:45:58 *** PeterT_ [~Peter@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Goodbye] 20:50:49 <andythenorth> moving cargos from farms is boring somehow 20:51:29 * andythenorth ponders scrapping some farms and having industries like 'grain elevator' and 'fruit packing house'. 20:51:40 <andythenorth> let the farmers move their own cargo :P 20:51:51 <andythenorth> I'll just pick it up in bulk 21:00:19 <frosch123> [21:55] <andythenorth> let the farmers move their own cargo :P <- likely they also prefer to deliver the grain themself instead of one of your heqs trucks rolling over their farm 21:00:44 <andythenorth> do farms get their own railroad? 21:00:53 <fjb> But crawlers are fun to deliver grain. 21:01:52 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:02:13 * OwenS wonders why his assembly code is ending up on the wrong segment 21:03:09 <Rubidium> the worker placing the segments assumed the assembly manual was imperial while it actually is metric 21:03:31 <OwenS> Funny but not helpful :p 21:05:27 *** goblin_ [~goblin@dslb-088-064-043-051.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 21:08:42 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 21:14:45 *** ajmiles2 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:15:22 <Rubidium> fonsinchen: done 21:18:05 * OwenS can't figure out how an retf, in real mode, can succeed and yet cs is left as the 16-bit protected mode segment... 21:18:09 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 21:21:33 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:23:05 * andythenorth ponders some new RVs: 'flock of sheep', 'herd of cows' 21:23:41 <planetmaker> :-D 21:24:00 <planetmaker> That'd need road type 'meadow' 21:24:01 <andythenorth> what would the running cost be? 21:24:27 *** ajmiles3 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:24:33 <planetmaker> running cost: ~2000⬠/ month for the sheperd 21:26:32 *** fjb is now known as Guest393 21:26:33 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C212.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:26:57 *** Guest393 [~frank@p5485C7AB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:28:04 <OwenS> Whats the running cost of the average vehicle? 21:28:16 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:29:38 *** mickster14 [~mickster0@adsl-87-102-40-13.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:30:37 *** ajmiles2 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:31:12 * andythenorth has an idea 21:31:27 <andythenorth> pre 1930s road transport is kind of sucky 21:31:56 <andythenorth> eGRVTS has nice horse carriages, but capacity is low, an awful lot are needed 21:34:35 *** ajmiles3 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:34:35 *** mickster04 [~mickster0@adsl-213-249-248-88.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:37:12 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has joined #openttd 21:37:20 <fjb> Start a game in 1830 and you will hate the horses in 1900. :-) 21:38:45 <Zuu> Unless they need a lot of care you could got some patches written while waiting for 19xx to come when the first busses arrives. 21:42:39 * andythenorth has done a bit of RL research 21:43:15 <andythenorth> prairie grain moved by ox-cart wagon train, up to 180t at a time 21:46:14 <fjb> Did you already start to draw them? 21:46:40 <andythenorth> nope 21:47:00 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: just make sure you stay away from MB with that idea :) 21:47:24 <andythenorth> ? 21:48:11 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: according to him, ttd is a train game, and horse carriages have no use in there... 21:48:44 *** ajmiles2 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:48:48 <andythenorth> ah, I see. Well I don't know what to say to that. 21:51:45 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:51:54 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has joined #openttd 21:54:55 <fjb> I thought you would draw oxen, not horses. 21:55:36 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:07:41 *** MeCooL [mecool@94.128.27.197] has joined #openttd 22:08:44 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F971.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:12:20 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:13:46 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-mlimmlgw1-ff1ec000-127.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 22:19:27 *** zachanima [~zach@90.185.77.237] has joined #openttd 22:21:32 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [] 22:27:01 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 22:29:18 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 22:41:02 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 22:44:25 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@228.104.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 22:54:45 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 23:14:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F971.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:15:44 <Terkhen> good night 23:15:46 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@219.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 23:20:47 <OwenS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1_E19_s_and_more <-- Lots of huge numbers :p 23:39:31 <frosch123> night 23:39:34 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fcd46.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:40:58 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-f5f9e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:44:06 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-230-157.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Something strange must have happened...] 23:45:51 *** DJNekkid [~thomas@static128-249.adsl.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:48:26 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:51:47 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:54:25 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #openttd