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07:24:01 <Forked> http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/qc/nouv-news/com-rel/2010/04/100401a-eng.htm .. wondering what happened to Canada 07:24:12 <planetmaker> (å³åæ± ? 07:24:21 <planetmaker> and moin :-) 07:24:48 <planetmaker> can be delicious. But needs getting used to. 07:25:12 <Eddi|zuHause> Forked: did you look at the date? :p 07:25:45 <Forked> I have no problem with the police busting people for selling pirated copies of stuff, but 10 years for modifiying a product you've bought? 07:26:08 <Forked> eddi: yeah, but: http://network.nationalpost.com/NP/blogs/fpposted/archive/2010/04/07/fp-tech-desk-rcmp-says-modifying-a-video-game-console-punishable-by-10-years-in-jail.aspx 07:33:13 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 07:36:11 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 07:51:58 <Eddi|zuHause> Forked: i don't know the law they are trying to enforce there... 08:09:24 <dih> give the queen a call and ask what she thinks about it ^^ 08:11:28 <Eddi|zuHause> Forked: if that is true at all, they don't seem to have a strong case... 08:11:48 <Eddi|zuHause> ... hm... apparently firefox now has a majority market share in europe... 08:11:51 *** kannerke [~pvandenb@83.101.79.171] has joined #openttd 08:13:22 <Eddi|zuHause> (this statistics probably depends heavily on the websites) 08:17:55 <peter1138> modifying computers too? heh 08:19:24 <planetmaker> http://paste.openttd.org/225506 <-- Browser stats from our openttdcoop sites @ Eddi|zuHause 08:19:31 <Forked> 342.1 (1) Every one who, fraudulently and without colour of right, 08:19:40 <Forked> (a) obtains, directly or indirectly, any computer service, 08:19:40 <Forked> (b) by means of an electro-magnetic, acoustic, mechanical or other device, intercepts or causes to be intercepted, directly or indirectly, any function of a computer system, 08:19:54 <Forked> "fraudulently and without colour of right" 08:20:00 <planetmaker> they seem to be highly non-representative. 08:20:53 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: it's a very clear majority... representative or not... 08:21:41 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: 5 years ago, it would have been 95% internet explorer... 08:21:46 <planetmaker> yup indeed 08:22:47 <Eddi|zuHause> <Forked> "fraudulently and without colour of right" <-- exactly, means "computers you don't own"... which obviously does not apply here... 08:23:29 <Forked> I'm not sure anymore if you actually own the gaming console in some countries anymore, or you just pay for the right to use it 08:23:50 <Jolteon> Forked: WHAT? 08:23:52 <Jolteon> Pssh 08:23:59 <Jolteon> if i'm paying > £100, i expect to own it. 08:24:04 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has joined #openttd 08:24:18 <Forked> I own my xbox, not worried about that. Then again I do not live in Canada ;-) 08:24:35 <Eddi|zuHause> Forked: there's generally two different kinds of owning... and at least one kind is "who holds it in his hand is the owner" 08:25:25 * Jolteon picks up Eddi and holds him. 08:25:27 <Forked> I would not look at my self as the actual owner of an item that I am not, by law, allowed to do whatever I want with 08:25:28 <Jolteon> You're mine :> 08:26:17 <moot> Yeah, these days, even stuff you pay for still belongs to the company you bought it from 08:26:23 <moot> digital media is the start 08:26:31 <moot> but eventually it's going to progress to physical things as well 08:27:05 <moot> the troubling part is the average consumer has no idea what that means 08:27:12 <moot> doesn't know that it's bad 08:27:16 <peter1138> and doesn't care 08:27:17 <Eddi|zuHause> Forked: "whatever I want" always has been bounded by laws... 08:27:18 <moot> so the general market will encourage that trend 08:27:22 <planetmaker> <Forked> I would not look at my self as the actual owner of an item that I am not, by law, allowed to do whatever I want with <-- if you rent an item you're one kind of owner. If you rent out the item, you're the other kind of owner 08:27:29 <planetmaker> I don't know the legal terms for both in English 08:27:53 <Eddi|zuHause> Forked: you cannot simply run over a human with a car, "just because you want" 08:28:05 <Forked> eddi: As long as it does not hurt others :p and me modding my xbox so it can run an emulator that can run a SNES game I have bought and paid for .. 08:28:32 <Forked> and running over a person with my car is not really that close to opening up my xbox and making it do things that was not intended by the company that produced it 08:28:40 <moot> Forked: but you're hurting microsoft because you're not giving them money for running that emulator 08:28:48 <Eddi|zuHause> Forked: i did agree there... that is very obviously not the intention of the law 08:28:50 <Forked> they are not offering me the emulator 08:29:03 <Forked> so how does it hurt them? 08:29:24 <moot> because you aren't giving them more money 08:29:28 <moot> It's ridiculous 08:29:46 <Forked> if microsoft had actually had linux support from the beginning the xbox360 would not have been cracked 08:30:00 <Forked> I understand that they of all companies do not have that support, but still 08:31:04 <planetmaker> Forked, I doubt that it wouldn't have been cracked with linux support. But still... 08:32:44 <Forked> sure, the DVD thing might have happened 08:33:01 <Forked> but it would not have been "rooted" as it is now, at least not so 'fast' 08:33:07 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: on the contrary. the PS3 was the last console to be cracked, simply because there was no need to do so, because it already had linux support 08:33:22 <Forked> the ps3 is not cracked 08:33:36 <Forked> not properly anyway, but Sony are or has already removed the linux support 08:33:37 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, "was" ;-) 08:33:48 <Eddi|zuHause> Forked: not fully, but the need constantly rises... 08:34:10 <planetmaker> but sure yes, the incentive drops. But then there are sufficient people out there who do exactly those things as a sport. And hell, why not? 08:34:17 <planetmaker> It's a kind of advanced riddle. 08:34:32 <Forked> the pirates simply do not have the skill/patience that some of the "I want linux on that thing, even if I have 3 computers I already run it on" hardware hackers have 08:36:11 <planetmaker> contrary to some of those hacks required it was moderately easy to install chess on a voting machine 08:37:22 <Eddi|zuHause> <planetmaker> but sure yes, the incentive drops. But then there are sufficient people out there who do exactly those things as a sport. And hell, why not? <-- in case of the PS3, it was very obvious that it was not "sufficient" 08:39:00 <planetmaker> :-) 08:41:17 <moot> yeah 08:41:22 <moot> voting machines are ridiculously vuln 08:41:28 <moot> it's retarded 08:43:01 <planetmaker> luckily they're for now forbidden (again). At least for now. 08:43:26 <planetmaker> at least where I live :-) 08:47:18 <Eddi|zuHause> they're not "forbidden", the constitutional court said "every (potentially computer-illiterate) must be capable of reconstructing the counting of the votes", which practically no computer can achieve... 08:47:43 <Eddi|zuHause> +citizen... 08:48:16 <planetmaker> ok, I should have written "all currently existing" :-) 08:48:44 <planetmaker> And that ruling sounds quite sane to me :-) 08:49:37 <planetmaker> I just wonder when people will need special training with a ballpen in order to go voting ;-) as handwring is being abandoned ;-) 08:52:26 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: of course, that includes a shift in the general population, which might mean the court ruling should be viewed in a different light 08:55:46 *** ragzid [~ragzid@173-231-207-85.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 09:04:12 *** Tennel [~Tennel@141.44.229.148] has joined #openttd 09:14:49 <dih> \o/ optimizing php pages 09:14:50 <dih> ^^ 09:14:54 <dih> fuck :-P 09:18:28 <Eddi|zuHause> you look like you're having fun :) 09:19:38 <dih> hehe 09:19:41 <dih> yeah - i am 09:20:02 <dih> because someone managed to - in a single page request - do 268 x file_exists() :-D 09:20:13 <dih> and wonders why the request takes such a long time 09:21:11 *** Tennel [~Tennel@141.44.229.148] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:21:50 <Eddi|zuHause> i hope you get paid for this :p 09:25:54 <dih> yarp 09:43:00 *** fjb [~frank@p5485EEAD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:44:13 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #openttd 09:49:40 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host86-152-230-244.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:00:36 <dih> fuck.... 2152 translations to the same language distributed over 179 files 10:00:58 <Jupix> is there a better way for figuring out whether some 268 files exist than looping file_exists through them? 10:00:58 <dih> yes - they are all included seperately as they are needed 10:01:23 <dih> no wonder, the translater does over 110 x a stat to see if the file exists before it tries to include it! 10:01:55 <dih> Jupix: 70 x file_exists goes on the account of 'autoloader' 10:02:05 <dih> 110 x file_exists for the crap translator 10:02:18 <dih> and no - we cannot just use gettext..... 10:02:20 <dih> grrrr 10:02:37 <Jupix> :D 10:02:55 <__ln__> why not embrace the OpenTTD translation system with webtranslator 10:02:56 <dih> wtf am i doing here? 10:03:38 <Rubidium> typing nonsense 10:03:44 <dih> ^^ 10:04:11 <dih> and how are the translations handled? 10:04:13 <dih> define('TNS_TRADEFAIR.PHP.INFO', 'trade fair info'); 10:04:17 <dih> :-S 10:05:06 <Jupix> why not just write an article for TDWTF 10:05:16 <Jupix> sounds like a nice addition 10:07:44 <lennard> dih: so cache the results of the stats in a memcached :P 10:08:58 <dih> yeah - that makes it faster ^^ 10:09:21 <dih> we do have a memcached but i am not sure that will impfove speed _that_ much 10:10:11 <lennard> well, not the first time :) 10:14:21 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-165-70.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:16:37 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-123-204.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 10:16:40 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:17:12 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:18:58 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF836B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:37:13 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DBA5B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:48:39 *** owenshep [~owenshep@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:48:47 *** owenshep is now known as OwenS 10:51:17 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.0.27.246] has joined #openttd 11:00:06 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:00:31 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1734 11:00:32 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-24-12-229-175.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 11:03:01 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1735 11:03:02 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-24-13-125-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 11:06:47 *** Guest1734 [~Dale@c-24-13-125-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:07:14 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host86-152-230-244.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:08:54 * dih could do with a nap 11:09:40 <peter1138> so do so 11:09:42 *** Guest1735 [~Dale@c-24-12-229-175.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:09:58 <dih> i am at work 11:10:03 <dih> sucks ^^ 11:10:06 <peter1138> that never stopped me :D 11:10:12 <dih> :-P 11:10:22 <dih> do you still have the job? :-P 11:10:38 <peter1138> hehe 11:20:28 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d05b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:24:24 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Bye - http.//dev.openttdcoop.org] 11:24:24 *** Ammler [~ammler@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: gone...] 11:24:25 *** V453000 [~V453000@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: You must construct additional PYLONS to get me back!] 11:24:25 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Bye - http://dev.openttdcoop.org] 11:25:48 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 11:27:03 *** V453000 [~V453000@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 11:28:02 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 11:29:20 *** Ammler [~ammler@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 11:39:18 <dih> znc update? 11:40:47 <Ammler> ssl cert update :-) 11:41:05 <Ammler> stupid free certs needs yearly update 11:41:20 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1738 11:41:21 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-24-12-229-175.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 11:43:31 <Ammler> (not the cert, me) 11:45:14 <Forked> ah. gamer.no (the only .no gaming magazine I read) has a story about OpenTTD 1.0.0 :-) 11:46:15 <Ammler> "ferdig", almost German ;-) 11:46:44 <Forked> shut it 11:47:07 *** Guest1738 [~Dale@c-24-13-125-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:47:38 <Ammler> why do the public screen mostly show a town? 11:47:58 <Forked> no idea, I don't work for them :) 11:48:23 <Ammler> not just there 11:49:37 <Ammler> the current screen on the openttd.org frontpage is quite ugly... 11:51:11 <Priski> I agree 11:51:27 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.202] has joined #openttd 11:51:44 <peter1138> submit a better one? 11:51:45 <Priski> it should have more rails, not some city 11:52:25 <Ammler> peter1138: anyone from the screenshot section is better... 11:52:26 <Priski> pick one out of those what there are on the screenshots page? 11:53:30 <peter1138> well 11:53:35 <peter1138> nothing to do with me, so 11:54:26 <Ammler> the screen gamer.no used is one of the better.. 11:55:08 <Ammler> heise.de used that ugly screen 11:57:01 <SpComb> bad PR 11:59:43 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:946a:3e6a:9618:6b77] has joined #openttd 11:59:47 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:04:32 <dih> just read the first line of a php optimization howto: 12:04:36 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 12:04:39 <dih> "PHP is a very fast programming language, ..." 12:04:43 <dih> lol? 12:09:13 <TrueBrain> it is faster than Shakespeare 12:09:38 <Noldo> fast to get fed up with 12:10:03 <ragzid> and faster than diarrhea?:) 12:13:26 <peter1138> about a useful 12:17:33 <peter1138> *as 12:19:06 <Rubidium> so it's a language for programming very fast, not for creating fast programs... just for creating programs fast 12:20:03 <nighthawk_c_m> if coded right I think it is quite fast - and far more flexible then html - unless one is a really good html coder 12:20:15 <SpComb> har har 12:21:02 <peter1138> but php is infinitely slower than html :) 12:21:09 <dih> erm.... you are comparing php and html - you compare a language with 'painting'? 12:21:39 <SpComb> lunchtime! 12:22:35 <nighthawk_c_m> Html is a code too - so are oaintinmgs and languages, but I will not argue about that 12:23:37 *** alex6 [58bc0103@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 12:24:16 *** alex6 [58bc0103@webchat.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 12:29:03 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 12:35:44 <ddfreyne> Io is the language with the slowest interpreter ever 12:36:00 <ddfreyne> HTML is not turing-complete so that doesnât count ;) 12:48:37 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF836B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:55:35 <OwenS> Hmm... does that mean Brainfuck is the language with the fastest interpreter ever :-P? 12:57:54 <OwenS> I suppose if you go by instructions/second, not much can beat BF, but BF's useful IPS is abysmal :p 12:59:55 *** ptr [~peter@wpa-219.kthopen.kth.se] has joined #openttd 13:06:12 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 13:06:26 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 13:08:28 <Eddi|zuHause> if you encode the brainfuck instructions in 3 bits, you have a great machine language for a simple processor 13:10:28 <Eddi|zuHause> then you can start adding "useful" features like cache, registers, indirect addressing 13:11:46 <Eddi|zuHause> and piece by piece you add more complex operations, like arithmetical or logical operations 13:13:39 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause, BF is a turing tarpit... I think one would be better off starting from somewhere less so :p 13:14:43 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: i don't see why that has to be... 13:15:17 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause, by the time you'd added useful instructions, the only BF ones worth keeping would be + and - :P 13:16:10 <OwenS> And those only if you didn't have a reasonable add literal/sub literal 13:16:23 <Eddi|zuHause> no, those are the ones easiest to throw away 13:17:05 <Eddi|zuHause> you need register operations, so < and > you can keep, + and - are "read" "modified version of < and >" and "store" 13:17:44 <Eddi|zuHause> so you have one register for the pointer, and one "cache" register that contains the value of the current memory location 13:18:01 <Mazur> Is there some way to pinpoint a spot one missed when converting to electrified rail? 13:18:25 <Eddi|zuHause> Mazur: sadly, no. 13:18:52 <Eddi|zuHause> Mazur: there was a very promising "tile highlighting" patch, but the creator disappeared before finishing it 13:20:00 <Mazur> No brightly coloured NewGRF set in which each type of rail has a distictive colour? 13:22:43 <Mazur> Would that not be the easiest method? Or am I talking bollocks? 13:23:01 <OwenS> Mazur, electrified rails don't have special graphics 13:23:05 <OwenS> They're overlays 13:23:20 *** ecke [~ecke@pc151-66.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 13:23:26 <Mazur> Brightly coloured overlays, then? 13:47:52 <Eddi|zuHause> Mazur: if you use dutchcatw.grf, the catenary is more visible than the default one 13:50:10 <Mazur> I thought of a simple method: 13:51:32 <Mazur> Isolate the problem area, (or part of it), remove signals if necessary, set up waypoints with loops behind them, and send a dedicated temporary car-less engine to the waypoint. 13:52:21 <Eddi|zuHause> Mazur: of course you can make a grf that makes electrified rails in "alarm colours", but the problem then is that you cannot switch between "normal" and "highlighting" mode, like you can with track reservation or transparency 13:53:01 *** ragzid [~ragzid@173-231-207-85.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Beer is waiting...] 14:06:01 <nighthawk_c_m> maybe with 2 parameters ingame? or do they not work when the game already loded - like is being played 14:13:58 <welshdragon> Mazur: send a single electric loco out 14:14:10 <welshdragon> that's how I always check my conversions 14:14:13 <Mazur> Yes, I justm said. 14:14:18 <Mazur> Thanks. 14:14:39 <welshdragon> no probs 14:15:11 <Mazur> Found out it was the signalling, which was pointing the wrong direction for the return tracks. 14:15:23 <Mazur> Duh! 14:16:06 *** kyo313 [~kyo@92.3.9.107] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:17:04 <welshdragon> hehe 14:17:38 <welshdragon> could an overlay be used when placing signals which indicates the direction the signal permits? 14:18:19 <welshdragon> (i.e. <> for bi - directional, < for left and > for right) 14:18:21 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 14:18:30 <nighthawk_c_m> it all is less problematic eith the 32 bit graphics as you can zoom in closer 14:18:31 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... if i have a map, and it says "15 Miles make one Degree", how much is one mile? 14:18:47 <nighthawk_c_m> 1.6km i think 14:19:03 <Eddi|zuHause> nighthawk_c_m: there are many different miles 14:19:14 <Eddi|zuHause> nighthawk_c_m: you're talking about the "british imperial" mile 14:19:24 <welshdragon> nautical mile? 14:19:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i believe one degree is 111 km 14:19:48 <Eddi|zuHause> so... 14:19:54 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 111/15 14:19:54 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 7.4 14:20:03 <nighthawk_c_m> 14:20:03 <nighthawk_c_m> 1 nautical mile = 1.85200 kilometers 14:20:07 <Eddi|zuHause> 7.4 km... 14:20:33 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: 1 degree can't be put in km, it depends on where you are :) 14:20:49 <TrueBrain> 55m at 70N, 90m at 90N I believe :p 14:20:58 <TrueBrain> euh, s/90N/50N/ 14:21:07 <nighthawk_c_m> 0.o 14:21:38 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: longitude degree varies, latitude degree is constant... 14:21:46 <TrueBrain> you didn't specify :p 14:21:58 <Eddi|zuHause> the map didn't either ;) 14:22:05 <TrueBrain> so it is an ambigious map :) 14:22:18 <Eddi|zuHause> but using a varying degree without specification is a bit useless :) 14:22:29 <TrueBrain> if you zoom in enough, it will be fine 14:23:29 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.altmark-intern.de/elemente/deutsche-meile.htm 14:23:48 <Eddi|zuHause> 7.4km sounds like the right range :=) 14:23:50 <Mazur> Can anyone suggest a good page about using a NewGRF? How to load/activate etc. All the basics for an OpenTTD newbie. 14:24:35 <Eddi|zuHause> Mazur: wiki.openttd.org 14:24:54 <Mazur> I'll dig further, there, thanks. 14:26:16 *** Adambean` [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 14:28:35 *** DanMacK [~here@65.94.201.53] has joined #openttd 14:28:48 *** DanMacK [~here@65.94.201.53] has quit [] 14:31:38 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:32:23 <Belugas> hello 14:49:08 <SpComb> bah, failed my first attempt at the final Settlers II roman campaign mission :( 14:51:49 <Eddi|zuHause> i thought you read the walkthroughs? 14:51:51 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 14:54:58 <Sacro> SpComb: <3 SII 14:57:01 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B47F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:00:39 <SpComb> Eddi|zuHause: it isn't that detailed 15:01:56 <welshdragon> OMG A Sacro 15:02:06 <welshdragon> how rare 15:03:26 *** ImaNewbie [ImaNewbie@088156173024.wejherowo.vectranet.pl] has joined #openttd 15:03:46 <ImaNewbie> hi 15:04:02 <welshdragon> ohai 15:04:02 <SpComb> Eddi|zuHause: mainly it just tells you who the enemies are and what their stance on you is, and approxiate directions that you have to advance 15:04:13 <welshdragon> how can we help you ImaNewbie? 15:04:19 <SpComb> I ran out of both soldiers and stone simultaneously 15:04:34 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.202] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:04:45 <ImaNewbie> i'm wondering that myself 15:04:49 <ImaNewbie> :) 15:05:00 <ImaNewbie> i heard this is the place where open TTD people are 15:05:03 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: in S2TNG there's a mission where you have to rush through an enemies territory before you find gold 15:05:38 <welshdragon> yes 15:05:39 <Eddi|zuHause> don't know if that exists in S2 too, never made it that far 15:05:39 <planetmaker> here are open (-minded) people and OpenTTD people - and some are even both, some are one at most ;-) 15:06:22 <Eddi|zuHause> ImaNewbie: no, this channel is about discussing settlers... 15:06:31 <planetmaker> :-P 15:06:48 <Eddi|zuHause> ... or webservers :p 15:06:54 <planetmaker> common typos actually 15:06:57 <Eddi|zuHause> ... or programming languages :) 15:07:25 <ImaNewbie> good 15:07:57 <Eddi|zuHause> at least those seem to be covering todays topics :) 15:08:01 <TrueBrain> it RARELY is about OpenTTD, that is true 15:08:12 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: don't forget 'miles' 15:08:20 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause, and BF-inspired processor architectures? 15:08:35 <TrueBrain> OwenS: what has your boyfriend have to do with it? 15:08:39 <ImaNewbie> i said "where OpenTTD people are" not "where OpenTTD is frequently discussed" 15:09:18 <TrueBrain> you are smart! 15:09:23 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: that's just a slight spinoff from programming languages 15:11:28 <OwenS> TrueBrain, I was referring to the somwhat vulgar programming language :p 15:11:55 <TrueBrain> owh, really? Hmm .. who would have guessed 15:15:08 <ImaNewbie> anyhow a friend recomended me the game like... 2 days ago 15:15:27 <__ln__> ImaNewbie: and now you are seeking help for your addiction? 15:15:56 <__ln__> remember to eat and sleep 15:16:01 <ImaNewbie> yes, i'm looking for other addicted people to form an Anonymous Tycoons support group 15:16:06 <ImaNewbie> :D 15:16:58 <KenjiE20> we have one, it's TT-Forums :P 15:19:12 <Rubidium> nobody's anonymous here 15:21:23 <Eddi|zuHause> Hello, i'm Eddi, and i'm a Tycoon. 15:21:24 *** ptr [~peter@wpa-219.kthopen.kth.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 15:22:00 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-208-183.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:22:11 <ImaNewbie> i see i'm gonna feel right at home here :) 15:23:04 <Rubidium> hi, I'm Rubidium and time outside OpenTTD goes too fast when playing OpenTTD 15:23:38 <Belugas> Hello, i'm Belugas and I'm a white dolphin without dorsal fin 15:24:08 <OwenS> Hello, I'm Owen and I kill hard drives... 15:24:30 <planetmaker> Hi I'm planetmaker and I take pride in creating fjords like in Norwegian fjordlands 15:25:16 * Eddi|zuHause slaps planetmaker with a towel 15:25:44 * planetmaker fences that off with my own towel 15:25:54 <KenjiE20> now there's two hoopy froods 15:26:00 <Belugas> Hello, I'm a towel and I like to spank people 15:26:13 <TrueBrain> Hi, I am crazy 15:26:21 * TrueBrain hugs Belugas 15:26:34 <ImaNewbie> Hi, I'm a Newbie 15:26:48 <KenjiE20> hi crazy, I'm a bowl of petunias 15:27:05 <OwenS> "Oh no, not again" 15:27:17 <TrueBrain> you really used to be a snake 15:27:47 <TrueBrain> but what is this strange thing I feel at my .. well .. lets call it my tummy? Wind .. yes, wind, wind is a good name. What is coming at me at a crazy speed .. round ...ound ... ground! Hello ground, wanne be friends? 15:28:51 *** kyo313 [~kyo@92.3.9.107] has joined #openttd 15:29:42 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19584 /trunk/src/order_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#3744]: Crash when pressing 'h' (non-stop) in the order window of a ship or aircraft 15:29:58 <TrueBrain> pressing 'h' non-stop, or is 'h' non-stop? 15:30:10 <TrueBrain> you got to love those statements :) 15:31:12 <ImaNewbie> lol 15:31:53 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: whatever crashes your OpenTTD 15:32:26 <ImaNewbie> i believe it's called the "elevator button syndrome": pressing a button non-stop hoping it will make things go faster 15:33:12 <Belugas> TrueBrain! My hero and my inspiration! 15:33:51 <Rubidium> actually, there *are* elevators where pressing the "close door" button makes the elevator not stop on floors where people want to enter the elevator 15:34:27 <OwenS> Rubidium, being rude *and* going faster in one button? awesome 15:36:03 <Rubidium> OwenS: it actually makes sense 15:36:21 <KenjiE20> you have to hit close door and the desired floor together iirc 15:36:54 <Rubidium> if the elevator is full, waiting for a timeout to close the door and to stop at floors just to wait for the timeout makes it less efficient 15:37:06 *** kannerke [~pvandenb@83.101.79.171] has left #openttd [] 15:37:17 <OwenS> Rubidium, true 15:37:29 * KenjiE20 np: H2G2 - The Primary Phase Disc 1 15:37:32 <KenjiE20> :D 15:37:54 <OwenS> KenjiE20, you need to make sure it goes on the #ottdc charts too ;-) 15:38:00 <Rubidium> but then... in Europe those things usually get used for the rudeness... after all people in Europe seem to be more egocentrical than in e.g. Japan 15:40:11 <Rubidium> was really a shocker when coming back from Japan that once in Europe people where standing still on both sides of the escalator again; I had never seen that happen in Japan 15:41:00 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19585 /branches/1.0/ (18 files in 5 dirs): (log message trimmed) 15:41:00 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: [1.0] -Backport from trunk: 15:41:00 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: - Feature: [NewGRF] Support for extended text code 0x9A 11, print qword (r19570) 15:41:00 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: - Change: Sync Debian packaging updates from Debian, but keep building a single package (r19572) 15:41:00 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: - Fix: Crash when pressing 'h' (non-stop) in the order window of a ship or aircraft [FS#3744] (r19584) 15:41:02 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: - Fix: Graphs were not properly updated when going toggling keys (i.e. companies) (r19574) 15:41:04 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: - Fix: The timetable button was not automatically raised [FS#3739] (r19571) 15:49:08 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has joined #openttd 15:51:06 <Eddi|zuHause> ] <TrueBrain> but what is this strange thing I feel at my .. well .. lets call it my tummy? Wind .. yes, wind, wind is a good name. <-- we have a name for "tummy winds" :p 15:51:50 <Eddi|zuHause> (actually two, depending on direction :p) 15:53:48 <Ammler> http://paste.openttd.org/225509 <-- is that also knows compile issue? 15:53:54 <Ammler> known* 15:54:44 <Rubidium> no, never heard of those... 15:56:32 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:57:45 *** DX_Ipad [~Dreamxtre@host86-152-230-244.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:02:12 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host86-152-230-244.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:06:23 *** erani [~eran-@garde.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:07:30 <planetmaker> Rubidium, want another transcript with desync? Then pull :-) 16:07:41 <planetmaker> It's actually a continuation though, of the old 16:08:07 *** erani [~eran-@garde.fi] has joined #openttd 16:08:21 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has joined #openttd 16:10:22 <Rubidium> planetmaker: I'll look a bit later 16:13:30 <planetmaker> It won't run away :-) 16:16:14 <Mazur> Here's an interesting one: Two trains, shared orders, separate double tracks, transport coal between the two endpoints. No other stations or connections to the dual track. Yet both claim being lost. 16:17:57 <Mazur> Because it was bugging me, I already made one skip a destination, so I can;t make a save for those interested in tracking the bug. Sorry, wasn't thinking. 16:18:20 *** nighthawk_c_m [~nighthawk@pD9504632.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 16:22:13 <Mazur> And yes, there are depots along the line, one at both ends, easily accesssible. 16:23:04 <Rubidium> lovely... 01:22 another company takeover + desync, 01:37 preceded by cache mismatches and company takeover (so there might be two), the 18:07 one doesn't have company takeover 16:24:00 <planetmaker> :-O 16:24:36 <Rubidium> could you ask damaso about his OS and where he got the binary from? 16:24:45 *** ecke [~ecke@pc151-66.upce.cz] has quit [Quit: ecke] 16:24:50 <planetmaker> Rubidium, as it doesn't seem to be really bothersome on the server side, we could also run that on the trunk server 16:26:02 <Mazur> Eddi: "Oh, no, not again." 16:26:22 <Rubidium> planetmaker: it was meant to be not too bothersome this way :) 16:27:13 <planetmaker> official OpenTTD binary on mandriva linux 64bit is the answer to the 18:07 incident 16:27:32 <Rubidium> okay 16:27:50 <Rubidium> you might consider disabling autosave when using -ddesync=3 16:27:58 <planetmaker> yes, true 16:28:12 <planetmaker> but they're cycled through anyway 16:28:58 <Rubidium> but two autosaves after eachother at server side is a bit noticable at client side 16:29:51 <planetmaker> hm, ok 16:30:27 <ImaNewbie> anyone know a decent source explaining how to build railroads? 16:30:31 <planetmaker> disabled :-) 16:30:46 <planetmaker> ImaNewbie, the wiki? Or maybe also the openttdcoop wiki? 16:30:57 <planetmaker> Or look at the savegames in our PublicServer archive 16:31:08 <planetmaker> (linked from the wiki.openttdcoop.org ) 16:31:22 <ImaNewbie> checking out the coop wiki 16:35:25 <ImaNewbie> :) 16:35:25 <planetmaker> beware. We're insane ;-) 16:35:25 <planetmaker> you could also youtube for some tutorials 16:35:25 <ImaNewbie> i hope you don't mean a powerpoint presentation with someone slowly reading the bullet points :) 16:35:25 <ImaNewbie> j/k 16:35:25 *** ctibor [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 16:35:25 *** SmatZ [~SmatZ@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:35:27 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Quit: Solong, and thanks for all the fish] 16:35:27 *** SmatZ [~SmatZ@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 16:35:38 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:35:39 *** planetmaker [~pm@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Quit: ...und tschÃŒÃ!] 16:35:39 *** fjb [~frank@p5485EEAD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:36:04 *** fjb [~frank@p5485EEAD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:36:45 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 16:36:45 *** planetmaker [~pm@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 16:36:50 *** Strid_ [~Strid@c-fe85e555.013-46-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 16:36:51 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbaae02.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:41:38 *** Strid__ [~Strid@c-fe85e555.013-46-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:43:56 <Rubidium> hmm, those cache mismatches have actually happened quite often 16:44:04 <Rubidium> more often than company takeovers 16:44:18 <Rubidium> but then, they have happened so often that it might not be a problem 16:44:27 <Rubidium> or at least not THE problem 16:51:56 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:52:48 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 16:53:05 <Rubidium> yay... the cache mismatch stuff seems to be reproducable from an autosave :) 16:57:50 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:00:38 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:04:13 *** TheMask96 [~martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:06:04 *** Seki is now known as SekiSelu 17:07:10 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.202] has joined #openttd 17:07:47 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19586 /trunk/src/openttd.cpp: -Fix: some false positives in cache validity checks because cache = v->cache doesn't necessarily write all sizeof(Cache) bytes 17:10:30 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:12:46 <Eddi|zuHause> ... so does that fix the desyncs? 17:14:48 <Rubidium> no, just removes false positives in the cache mismatch thing 17:16:26 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 17:16:37 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:16:44 <fonsinchen> There are desyncs in trunk? 17:18:00 <fonsinchen> Maybe I can help debugging them (before I start debugging those in cargodist ...)? 17:18:34 <Rubidium> there might be one that seems to be related to buying a bankrupt company in 1.0.0 17:18:55 <Rubidium> there are false positive for the cache validity checks 17:19:42 <fonsinchen> yes, if it's about buying a bankrupt company it might explain some things in the OTTDC cargodist test game. 17:20:06 <Rubidium> planetmaker: want a logging of crashed trains in the 'stable' game? 17:20:22 <fonsinchen> The first desync there happened when Alberth bought my bankrupt company. 17:20:49 <Alberth> I got out just in time :p 17:21:48 <OwenS> Cargodist's tendency to bankrupt companies exacrebating them :p 17:21:50 <fonsinchen> uh, do you suspect it has something to do with crashed trains? I think I had a train crash right before that. 17:22:24 <Rubidium> oh... epiphany time... 17:22:28 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF836B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:22:45 <Rubidium> it didn't happen in 0.7.x because there the buy-other-bankrupt-company thing was broken (read: missing) 17:23:07 <Rubidium> fonsinchen: no, crashed trains cause false positives in the cache validity checks 17:23:34 <Rubidium> because they randomly spin around wagons without updating the "curve speed limit" 17:27:57 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19587 /trunk/src/openttd.cpp: 17:27:57 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Fix: false positive in cache validity checking when a train crashes; the max 17:27:57 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: curve speed depends on the 'angle' between wagons and with wagons spinning 17:27:57 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: around randomly without updating the max curve speed cache that leads to 17:27:57 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: "seeing" a difference. As the caches aren't useful for crashed vehicles anymore, 17:27:58 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: just ignore those vehicles 17:35:32 <planetmaker> interesting thing those "false positives" :-) 17:35:41 <planetmaker> Rubidium: yes I would like to see that :-) 17:36:00 <planetmaker> Rubidium: should we start a new logging or is it fine to just continue? 17:36:16 <Rubidium> planetmaker: current logging is fine; I'll just ignore the cache mismatches 17:36:24 <Rubidium> anyhow, look at the cache mismatches for the crashes 17:38:10 <planetmaker> Rubidium: ok :-) 17:38:25 <planetmaker> I guess the cache mismatches anyway cannot be turned off in 1.0, I assume? 17:38:38 <planetmaker> (except if we run a modified binary ;-) ) 17:38:54 <Rubidium> exactly 17:39:32 <planetmaker> But we could (also) turn it on in trunk. But as I haven't seen it there on our PS really, it remains to assume that it might be a MP - related thing 17:39:37 <planetmaker> with more than one company 17:40:24 <Rubidium> you won't see the cache mismatches unless -ddesync>=2 17:40:29 <planetmaker> Rubidium: yet another right now. If you want... 17:40:56 <planetmaker> ... pull it (again) 17:41:41 <planetmaker> anyway... I might be off till tomorrow night and at most only randomly until then. Catch you later :-) 17:42:06 <planetmaker> I might start a new game later tonight though on the server. 17:43:40 <Rubidium> no direct buyout, but there was one a while ago 17:43:55 <Rubidium> few minutes that is 17:45:15 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbaae02.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:45:22 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: translators * r19588 /trunk/src/lang/ (catalan.txt czech.txt): 17:45:22 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:22 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: catalan - 3 changes by arnau 17:45:22 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: czech - 3 changes by Harlequin 17:47:10 *** Quibus [~manuel@s5592d045.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:47:20 <Quibus> hi 17:47:28 <Quibus> planetmaker: there you have it: http://znurt.org/search.php?search=&q=openmsx&x=0&y=0 17:47:30 <Quibus> :P 17:49:41 <Rubidium> just blame Gentoo... 17:51:36 <Rubidium> other distros seem to be naming it openttd-open[gsm][sf]x (other being Fedora, Debian, (Open)SUSE) 17:52:00 <Eddi|zuHause> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/557177 <-- hey, this bug is great: "This script wiped my harddrive" - "Don't do that then" :p 17:52:53 *** Phazorx [~pavelkoll@77.239.236.193] has joined #openttd 17:53:00 <Phazorx> evening 17:53:14 <Phazorx> got a dev question 17:53:22 <Rubidium> 42! 17:53:47 <Phazorx> i knew i could count on you Rubi :) 17:55:38 <Phazorx> part one: how simple/complex would be to dumb down one of existing PFs (original is most likely candidate) to stop behaving like destination based and replace al logic by situational random switches on split based on presented options? 17:56:11 <Phazorx> so essentially pf would just move train within limits of game engin towards next green signa 17:56:23 <Phazorx> stop if there are none and choose randomly one if there are many 17:56:23 *** SekiSelu [~Seki@c-71-237-70-85.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:56:34 <Rubidium> just let them return "there's not path" 17:56:44 *** SekiSelu [~Seki@c-71-237-70-85.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:56:46 *** kyo313 [~kyo@92.3.9.107] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:57:03 <Phazorx> Rubidium: well, performance optimization is one of key aspects of this question 17:57:06 <Rubidium> although, that probably won't work right 17:57:17 *** SekiSelu is now known as Guest1769 17:57:31 <Phazorx> so i'd rather not have any patching at all since none is needed 17:58:23 <Phazorx> this comes from cooper's realm where we sometimes use crazy networks, which guide trains by logic and have no need for PF such (trains dont even have orders somtimes) 17:58:32 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-24-13-125-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:58:33 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1770 17:58:33 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 17:59:25 <Rubidium> Phazorx: having no orders gives you the 'random' behaviour you're probably looking for, but it won't work right in ALL cases 18:00:46 <Phazorx> we did notice that, and random behavior is not all that is desired, chances are - by not having PF overhead we wul be able to squeeze more fun out of the game, as in d more and go further 18:01:26 <Phazorx> so, a very silly PF would be nice 18:02:08 <Phazorx> think about simple p2p networks that default (and most current) AIs build - the get no benefit of PF features either 18:02:53 <Phazorx> essentiall complicated PF routines are mosty trying to overcome network design flaws of some kind at larger scle of things 18:04:03 *** Guest1770 [~Dale@c-24-12-229-175.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:07:20 <Phazorx> anyway... that was part one... which is largely based on assumption of it being possible and easy... as well as that someone is willing to look into that 18:07:40 <Phazorx> part two is related to time estimates and chances of that ever making to trunk :o) 18:08:32 <Phazorx> which is quite a bit to ask for... but wouldnt make sense to make it another custom patch for coopers and deny it to public 18:10:04 <Alberth> it wouldn't, but that does not mean it should be added to trunk. Publishing the patch at a forum would be sufficient 18:10:45 <Alberth> lots of custom openttd versions are being built and distributed that way 18:10:57 <Rubidium> I don't know what potential problems you're going to cause with a "no order, no pathfinder, let funky signalling figure it out" approach 18:11:20 <Rubidium> so, can't say anything useful about chances or time estimates 18:13:48 <Phazorx> Alberth: openttdcoop's public server uses official revisions only, that way we can reach more players 18:15:02 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF836B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:15:18 <Phazorx> Rubidium: i was under assumption that people who look into code pretty much every day would have a clue about things like that... but to me it looks like removing things mostly and hacking it fugly rather than developing a new and shiny PF 18:16:17 <Alberth> main problem is not the change itself, it is deciding there are no other bad effects, I think 18:16:53 <Phazorx> there are bad effects - trains might not get where they normally would and are lost by definition 18:17:05 <Rubidium> Phazorx: what you're asking breaks a lot of assumptions OpenTTD is built upon and when breaking assumptions all bets are off 18:17:34 <Phazorx> Rubidium: is the state machine of moving vehicles within engine documented anywhere in some form i can look at? 18:17:38 <Rubidium> it took almost two years to revamp the window system and that "only" assumed a fixed size for widgets 18:17:55 <Phazorx> heh, visual changes are known to do that :) 18:18:09 <Phazorx> and window framework is no little deal 18:18:21 <Rubidium> Phazorx: no; actually, there are no moving vehicles without engine 18:18:46 <Rubidium> hmm, or did you mean another "engine"? 18:18:55 <Phazorx> i mean game engine :) 18:19:03 <Phazorx> rather than choochoo engine 18:20:13 <Alberth> simplest way may be to start at the PF, and trace back what uses it 18:21:11 <Rubidium> in any case there's probably no clear documentation of (all) aspects of vehicle movement 18:21:30 <Rubidium> even then there're many different parts about it that you probably don't care about 18:21:32 <Phazorx> to me simpliest way always was to comprehend what people who did the base for it wrote 18:21:50 <Phazorx> Rubidium: agreed 18:22:16 <OwenS> Phazorx, I'd guess a bunch of it was written by people who are no longer developers ;-) 18:22:17 <Phazorx> but i would like to know what things are in PF domain and how often it is being talked to 18:22:18 <Rubidium> anyhow, I'd say ChooseTrack 18:26:44 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-24-12-229-175.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:26:44 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1771 18:26:44 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 18:28:36 <Eddi|zuHause> why not simply write a new pathfinder, and hook that in the existing abstraction? 18:28:44 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:29:16 <Eddi|zuHause> as far as i have understood you simply want it to do a BFS to look whether the next signal is green 18:30:54 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:31:32 <Eddi|zuHause> so basically you want to look at all places using "_settings_game.pf.pathfinder_for_trains" and add your DumbPathfinder there 18:32:21 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm68.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 18:33:35 *** Guest1769 [~Seki@c-71-237-70-85.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has left #openttd [Leaving] 18:33:37 *** Guest1771 [~Dale@c-24-13-125-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:34:01 *** SekiSelu [~Seki@c-71-237-70-85.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:34:43 <Eddi|zuHause> the trickiest part i presume to be depot handling 18:35:30 <Eddi|zuHause> (you want to find depots even if they're not in the current block, because the check is probably not done all the time) 18:37:16 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: but... the signals should guide the vehicle to the depot, not the vehicle itself 18:37:30 <Phazorx> hmm... depots are probably something tricky 18:38:17 <Phazorx> since they are per train thing rather than per train stream 18:39:21 <Phazorx> but easiest would be with per block check on top level 18:39:36 <Phazorx> would work even better for all practical usage of depoting trains anyway 18:39:54 <Phazorx> it doesnt matter which depot train goes in for a service or an upgrade 18:40:24 <Phazorx> am i correct assuming that currently "send to depot" order is a generic order issues aside of schedule? 18:40:34 *** Alberth1 [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:40:34 *** Alberth is now known as Guest1773 18:40:34 *** Alberth1 is now known as Alberth 18:40:35 <Phazorx> *issued 18:43:07 <Eddi|zuHause> "Go to depot" is triggered by three situations: a) player manually gives a depot order from the train window, b) train has service order in vehicle's schedule, c) every few days the train checks whether it needs servicing, searches a nearby depot, and if it found that, issues service-in-depot 18:44:22 <Eddi|zuHause> a) can also be triggered from other places like the train list 18:45:42 *** Guest1773 [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:48:00 <Phazorx> Eddi|zuHause: that's a trigger, but what is th mechanism under it? 18:48:15 <Phazorx> a temporary current order is added to the schedule queue? 18:48:39 <Eddi|zuHause> Phazorx: just do what i said earlier, the source code is better structured than you think :) 18:48:42 <Phazorx> so a PF normally tries to path to it regulary as train moves? 18:48:50 *** ajmiles2 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:49:09 <Phazorx> Eddi|zuHause: i'll do that as soon as svn co completes :) 18:49:25 <Eddi|zuHause> that takes like 10 seconds?!? 18:49:26 <OwenS> Phazorx, should have done a git clone :P 18:49:39 <Phazorx> Eddi|zuHause: not up, co! 18:50:08 <Eddi|zuHause> Phazorx: ok, 20 :p 18:50:13 <Phazorx> but you are correct, igot some issues there :/ 18:54:39 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:59:24 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:59:38 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 19:02:00 *** Adambean` [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 19:07:14 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 19:09:18 *** fjb [~frank@p5485EEAD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:11:29 *** davis [~b@p5B28948C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:22:57 *** Aitor [~aitor@83.43.33.217] has joined #openttd 19:23:11 *** Aitor [~aitor@83.43.33.217] has quit [] 19:23:44 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f4eba.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:27:32 <andythenorth> if any kind of goal system existed, sho 19:27:35 <andythenorth> meh 19:27:46 <andythenorth> should it require certain newgrfs? 19:28:05 <andythenorth> that is incredibly badly worded and typed. ignore me 19:28:15 <andythenorth> I'll go and do something more useful :P 19:29:45 *** Nite_Owl_ [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:30:12 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:30:13 *** Nite_Owl_ is now known as Nite_Owl 19:30:33 *** Alberth1 [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:30:33 *** Alberth is now known as Guest1780 19:30:33 *** Alberth1 is now known as Alberth 19:35:54 *** Guest1780 [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:37:16 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbaae02.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:39:19 <welshdragon> andythenorth: like draw graphics? 19:39:38 <andythenorth> like cook dinner 19:39:49 <welshdragon> :p 19:44:36 *** guru3 [~guru3@81-235-164-123-no21.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:44:42 *** guru3_ [~guru3@2002:51eb:a47b::1] has joined #openttd 19:45:17 * andythenorth is remarkably tired 19:46:12 *** APTX_ [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 19:46:12 * welshdragon is also 19:46:24 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 19:48:11 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm68.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:54:37 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 19:55:17 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbaae02.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:58:25 *** ImaNewbie [ImaNewbie@088156173024.wejherowo.vectranet.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:59:33 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 20:02:58 *** Quibus [~manuel@s5592d045.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #openttd [De heu!] 20:06:07 *** fjb [~frank@p5485B87C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:09:38 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:13:40 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-24-13-125-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:13:41 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1787 20:13:41 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 20:20:08 *** Guest1787 [~Dale@c-24-12-229-175.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:28:33 <__ln__> why is a raven like a writing desk? 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21:21:12 *** Guest1796 [~Dale@c-24-12-229-175.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:22:33 *** TheMask96 [~martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:26:42 * Eddi|zuHause imagines a black-and-yellow striped whale... 21:26:58 * OwenS ponders Eddi|zuHause' sanity 21:27:13 <Eddi|zuHause> what sanity? 21:27:22 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm almost as bad as TrueBrain :p 21:27:46 <__ln__> have you been thinking about words that begin with the letter 'M'? 21:27:56 * Prof_Frink puts his underpants on his head and sticks two pencils up his nose 21:28:04 <Prof_Frink> Wibble. 21:28:15 <SpComb> look, it's a whale 21:29:26 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 21:29:45 * Eddi|zuHause wonders if the joke with "Walross" could possibly be translated into english... 21:31:04 <Prof_Frink> Wibble? 21:32:24 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.zoo-augsburg.de/server2/content/die-tiere_infotafeln/content_tafel-09-02.jpg <-- part one, two pencils in the nose resembling a walrus 21:32:51 <Eddi|zuHause> part two: "Walross" [=walrus] sharing the same word stem as "Wal" [=whale] 21:33:01 <Eddi|zuHause> part three: SpComb mixing things up :) 21:33:21 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #openttd 21:34:32 <OwenS> If Prof_Frink is sticking underpants on his head and pencils up his nose, I'll just shoot him for wasting my time... 21:35:32 <Eddi|zuHause> (ethymological question: what does a walrus [=Wal|ross] have to do with whales [=Wal] and steed [=Ross]) 21:35:54 <SpComb> you can't ride a whale 21:36:18 <Prof_Frink> Yes Darling? 21:39:03 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: the worm is the spice... 21:40:04 <__ln__> walk without rhythm, it won't attract the worm 21:40:11 <SpComb> whereas I could easily see someone photoshopping a saddle onto a Walrus 21:40:21 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause: There's no walruses in wales. 21:40:45 *** kyo313 [~kyo@92.3.9.107] has joined #openttd 21:41:03 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: i don't think they had photoshop when the name was introduced 21:41:39 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has left #openttd [] 21:41:41 <SpComb> metaphorically 21:45:21 *** davis [~b@p5B28948C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:56:32 *** BWJM [~BWJM@node-14661.pppoe.execulink.com] has joined #openttd 21:57:13 <BWJM> I have a question... Why can't I remove a train station block when it says "Train in the way" when there clearly is not a train occupying that space? 21:57:53 <blathijs> BWJM: Because there is a train in another part of the station? 21:58:17 <BWJM> Lots... It's a 6x5 station. 21:58:22 <BWJM> I have to clear them all out? 21:58:41 <blathijs> BWJM: Yup, since the station will be removed in its entirety 21:58:52 <BWJM> ugh. Oh well. 21:59:00 <Rubidium> or use the bulldozer to remove parts 21:59:04 <blathijs> if you want to remove just a part of a station, use the build station tool and then click the bulldozer icon (IIRC) 22:00:26 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f4eba.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:01:37 <BWJM> I just cleared out all trains and rebuilt the station entirely. 22:01:58 <BWJM> How do I prevent the domes on stations from appearing? 22:12:42 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 22:19:43 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:24:57 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:36:34 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:42:09 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B47F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:48:12 <__ln__> http://blogs.msdn.com/garretts/archive/2010/03/31/the-common-opensource-application-publishing-platform-coapp.aspx 22:48:13 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 22:48:44 *** snorre_ [~snorre@c692BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 22:49:17 *** entw [~chatzilla@p54B02A5D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:50:30 *** snorre [~snorre@c692BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:52:57 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1803 22:52:57 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-24-13-125-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:52:57 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 22:54:34 *** BWJM [~BWJM@node-14661.pppoe.execulink.com] has quit [Quit: BWJM was killed by Baal] 22:55:50 *** Guest1803 [~Dale@c-24-13-125-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:01:12 <entw> hi, newbie question: i'm in year 1965. how do i build electrified depots? 23:01:55 *** SmatZ is now known as Guest1804 23:02:31 *** Guest1804 is now known as SmatZ 23:03:20 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-24-12-229-175.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:03:21 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1806 23:03:21 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 23:04:09 <Rubidium> click on the rail thing, keep it pressed and notice the dropdown 23:04:21 <FauxFaux> If it doesn't work, push harder. 23:06:54 <Sacro> said the midwife 23:09:26 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: that link looks like an Obiwan in the date :p 23:09:47 *** Guest1806 [~Dale@c-24-13-125-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:10:10 <entw> thx, so easy ... 23:22:16 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:28:42 *** Phazorx [~pavelkoll@77.239.236.193] has left #openttd [] 23:31:15 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.0.27.246] has quit [Quit: ãããã¿] 23:36:48 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 23:37:12 *** DanMacK [~here@65.94.201.53] has joined #openttd 23:37:26 <DanMacK> Hello all 23:37:46 <Rubidium> hi 23:38:14 <__ln__> where?! 23:40:58 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 23:41:46 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-88-105.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:50:17 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:51:43 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:56:43 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-24-13-125-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:56:43 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1811 23:56:44 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 23:57:10 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:57:59 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF836B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:59:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77393.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:59:04 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DBA5B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... 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