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In any case you cannot deliver one thing and pickup another without visiting a depot between 09:07:51 <BCMM> planetmaker: the train carries goods one way and ore the other, and has carriages for both 09:08:28 <BCMM> what i'm trying to do is drop off the goods at a station that doesn't accept them (for another train to collect) 09:08:56 <BCMM> this works fine, till i load ore at the same station and it picks up the goods again 09:09:08 <planetmaker> yeah. That's afaik not possible 09:09:08 <Wolf01> then don't use mixed trains, there's no cargodest now, trains pick up everything they can carry 09:09:23 <planetmaker> ^ 09:09:31 <BCMM> is it possible to instruct it as to which specific cargos it can load at a station? 09:09:39 <BCMM> oh 09:09:52 <BCMM> thats a bit odd 09:10:18 <BCMM> i suppose i could make a second unload-only station, but that would be silly 09:10:30 <Alberth> no, cargo hops on the first train that accepts it 09:10:51 <Alberth> so making seperate stations is indeed the way to go 09:11:14 <Alberth> or run cargodest/dist 09:23:15 <peter1138> hmm, 16.7MB compressed to 82KB. that's a nice ratio :) 09:23:37 <peter1138> admittedly well over 80% of that is zeros 09:24:58 *** __ln__ [~lauri@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 09:25:24 <Wolf01> buon giorno __ln__ 09:30:11 <__ln__> buongiorno Wolf01 10:00:03 *** tdev [~udev@p508EFC6E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:03:15 *** dfox [~dfox@rb5cd235.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 10:06:16 *** Celestar [~vici@217.110.29.210] has joined #openttd 10:06:18 <Celestar> BOOM 10:06:35 <Alberth> he hello! 10:06:55 <Celestar> :) 10:07:17 <Rubidium> do I need to go to the optician? 10:09:03 <Rubidium> nope... he's still there 10:09:08 <Rubidium> so... hello Celestar! 10:09:12 <Rubidium> how was space? :) 10:09:17 <Celestar> :) 10:09:21 <Celestar> far away :( 10:09:32 <kamil> hi:) 10:09:56 <planetmaker> :-O 10:10:11 <planetmaker> a celestial star is back! 10:10:17 <Celestar> yeah 10:10:22 <Celestar> how's life everyone? 10:10:32 <planetmaker> too warm 10:10:50 <Alberth> we have not finished openttd yet 10:11:05 <Rubidium> too many bugs 10:11:32 <planetmaker> yeah... still not finished :-( 10:11:46 <andythenorth> people keep asking for new features :P 10:11:47 <Celestar> lol 10:11:48 <kamil> how create in ap+ goals? exists scripts? patch? 10:11:50 <Celestar> like ... 10:11:51 <Celestar> erm.. 10:11:55 <Celestar> cargodest? :P 10:12:07 <Wolf01> :O Celestar 10:12:07 * Alberth would like that 10:12:09 <Rubidium> no... they now want cargodost 10:12:18 <Celestar> wtf is cargodust? 10:12:22 <Rubidium> and it won't be long before it's cargodust :) 10:12:49 <planetmaker> :-D 10:12:56 <Alberth> kamil: goals? hack the openttd program 10:12:59 <planetmaker> kamil, no such thing exists 10:13:07 <kamil> yhm... 10:13:19 <Celestar> well. 10:13:34 <Celestar> I'm first trying to compile the source again 10:13:40 <Celestar> don't recognize most of it any more :P 10:13:50 <planetmaker> did it change that much? 10:13:50 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-16f3e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 10:13:58 <Rubidium> Celestar: nah... just a full blown GUI rewrite 10:14:11 <Alberth> planetmaker: nah, if you ignore the gui parts 10:14:30 <Celestar> I've been spending most of my time coding s-lang recently :P 10:14:37 <Celestar> somewhat different to C++ 10:15:32 <planetmaker> Alberth, yes, my point :-) 10:16:15 <Alberth> planetmaker: yeah, we need a new game concept :) 10:16:24 <planetmaker> :-) 10:16:38 <planetmaker> well... *ideas* are nothing which we lack, do we? :-) 10:16:53 <Celestar> lol 10:17:07 <planetmaker> Celestar, new Objects! :-) 10:17:08 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-107-133.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:17:09 <Alberth> some sort of coherent idea are much less around 10:17:14 <planetmaker> yeah 10:17:38 <Alberth> let alone one with an implementation path/strategy :) 10:17:45 <planetmaker> I guess one of the general ideas to come are like *some* kind of goal / scenario scripting framework 10:17:54 <planetmaker> but what you said :-) 10:18:27 <Alberth> nah, kamil will write a patch for that :D 10:18:34 <planetmaker> and then... newgrf-ing the remaining things. Like bridges and ground tiles :-) 10:18:50 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-25-5-181.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:18:56 <planetmaker> which would allow *somehow* to have multi-climates or so 10:19:23 <planetmaker> which leads to another point: a bit of re-vamp of the terrain generator. Including rivers. Maybe also flowing rivers ingame... 10:19:24 <planetmaker> oh well 10:19:34 <planetmaker> ideas, ideas. Without concepts :-) 10:19:41 <Celestar> well. 10:19:48 <Celestar> the cargodist concept still exists :P 10:20:00 <Celestar> I'd just have to bump it around ... 8000 revisions :D 10:20:02 <Alberth> yes, you have a competitor :) 10:20:09 <Wolf01> flowing rivers exists too 10:20:15 <planetmaker> Wolf01, not really 10:20:19 <planetmaker> they never did 10:20:21 <planetmaker> ingame 10:20:40 <Wolf01> http://sites.google.com/site/boekabart/sealevel 10:21:34 <planetmaker> Celestar, or road types! :-) 10:21:37 <planetmaker> or whatever :-) 10:21:40 <Celestar> lol 10:21:45 * Celestar goes learning git :P 10:21:47 <planetmaker> well. We have rail types 10:22:08 <planetmaker> use hg :-) 10:22:12 <Celestar> or that. 10:22:13 <planetmaker> Easier and same functionality 10:22:38 <Celestar> do we still have those nice map-bit graphics somewhere? 10:22:44 <planetmaker> and you have the VCS for most (all?) public newgrf repos ;-) 10:23:05 <planetmaker> map bit graphics? 10:23:21 <Celestar> yeah. which bit it used there :P 10:23:22 *** Sacro is now known as Guest2496 10:23:22 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-107-133.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:23:42 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 10:24:21 * planetmaker has no idea what you refer to 10:24:42 <Celestar> hm. 10:24:49 <Celestar> the cargodest branch is still there :P 10:25:14 <Alberth> sure, VCSes are very good in keeping things around :) 10:25:32 <Celestar> yeah :P 10:26:29 <Celestar> too good, at times 10:26:48 <Eddi|zuHause> ... i think my eyes are deceiving me... 10:27:53 <Eddi|zuHause> <Celestar> do we still have those nice map-bit graphics somewhere? <-- you mean docs/landscape_grid.html? 10:28:30 <Celestar> yeah 10:28:32 <Celestar> :) 10:28:33 <Celestar> hi 10:28:41 <planetmaker> oh. THOSE :-) 10:29:00 <planetmaker> I didn't consider those graphics really ;-) 10:29:49 <Sacro> zomg Celestar ^_^ 10:30:12 *** Guest2496 [~ben@adsl-77-86-107-133.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:30:22 <Celestar> sacro :) 10:34:50 <Celestar> where does one get the open[GS]fx stuff for devving? 10:35:19 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org 10:35:45 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 10:36:12 <Celestar> ta 10:36:26 <planetmaker> you can download tar balls and compiled zips from http://bundles.openttdcoop.org 10:36:30 <Rubidium> ooh... Celestar wants to develop opengfx and opensfx? That's good news :) 10:36:35 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-25-5-181.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:36:46 <planetmaker> mercurial checkouts are mentioned on the first link 10:37:08 * planetmaker wonders what Celestar plans to add :-) 10:37:44 <Celestar> not sure :P 10:38:10 <Celestar> and you get this stuff right into ~/.openttd ? 10:38:17 <planetmaker> uh.... no 10:38:24 <planetmaker> ~/.openttd/data 10:38:45 <planetmaker> but... if you have openttd running, you can download it via online content ;-) 10:38:52 <Celestar> well I don't :P 10:38:57 <planetmaker> and if you have the mercurial checkout, just use make install ;-) 10:39:04 <Celestar> oh right 10:39:08 <planetmaker> or the tar ball. Works the same 10:39:44 <Alberth> no need to unpack .tar files 10:39:56 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has quit [] 10:39:57 <planetmaker> nope. But source tars: yes ;-) 10:40:34 <Celestar> :) 10:40:47 <Alberth> yeah, openttd, the automatic build system for grfs did not quite make it :p 10:42:14 <planetmaker> eh, Alberth ? 10:42:27 <planetmaker> oh, you mean this silly proposal recently? :-) 10:42:31 <Celestar> lol 10:43:05 * planetmaker still likes the available newgrf developer tools, though :-) 10:43:24 <planetmaker> IMHO the biggest improvement :-) 10:43:45 <planetmaker> or say: long missed :-) 10:43:46 <Alberth> yeah, that proposal :) http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=49046&hilit=nml 10:44:17 <planetmaker> ha, yeah :-) 10:44:25 <planetmaker> ho. Celestar won't know about NML either ;-) 10:44:48 <planetmaker> or about the death of TTDPatch ;-) 10:45:06 <Celestar> I read about TTDPatch 10:45:10 <Celestar> but what about NML? 10:45:21 <Rubidium> what? TTDPatch is dead? 10:45:22 <planetmaker> newgrf meta language 10:45:26 <Celestar> aha? 10:45:32 <Alberth> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml 10:45:36 <planetmaker> ^ 10:46:09 <Alberth> high level newgrf language for easier specifcation 10:46:32 <Alberth> *specification 10:47:33 <blathijs> ey Celestar :-D 10:47:46 <Celestar> BLAAAATH :) 10:47:52 <Celestar> hm. DBSetXL not in the list? 10:47:55 <planetmaker> Celestar, http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/swedishrails/repository/entry/src/railtypes.pnml <-- typical NML code :-) 10:48:07 <planetmaker> Celestar, nope. mb is himself. As usual 10:48:25 <Celestar> that looks ... readable O_o 10:48:29 * andythenorth wonders why there are only a few bytes in that nml code :( 10:48:47 <blathijs> Celestar: Didn't you run Debian? If so you can just install openttd-opengfx / openttd-opensfx now :-) 10:48:49 <Celestar> so we have a NML compiler? 10:48:55 <planetmaker> yes 10:48:56 <andythenorth> where are all my friends C1 00, 04 80, etc? 10:48:56 <Celestar> running ubuntu atm 10:49:02 <Celestar> lol 10:49:07 <planetmaker> still not finished entirely, though 10:49:13 <planetmaker> andythenorth, where do you need those bytes? 10:49:16 <blathijs> I think Ubuntu lucid has them as well :-) 10:49:37 <planetmaker> switch(FEAT_RAILTYPES, SELF, left_level_crossing_terrain_switch, terrain_type) { <-- they're there, andythenorth 10:49:38 <andythenorth> planetmaker: I don't need them, but they are like old friends 10:49:43 <planetmaker> haha :-) 10:52:37 <Eddi|zuHause> * andythenorth wonders why there are only a few bytes in that nml code :( <-- every character is a byte ;) (sometimes even more than one) 10:52:47 <Celestar> well it works :D 10:54:04 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-16f3e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:54:14 <Alberth> andythenorth: perhaps we should add 'act_08' as an alternative keyword for 'grfid' ? 10:54:30 <planetmaker> Alberth, not really 10:54:36 <planetmaker> grfid is only 4 bytes of action8 10:54:41 <planetmaker> rather then of grf 10:54:42 <andythenorth> if we wrote nml in hex, wouldn't it be...faster :P 10:55:10 <Alberth> definitely not for me, as I have just demonstrated :p 10:55:17 <planetmaker> :-) 10:55:20 <planetmaker> for me neither 10:55:47 <planetmaker> Those action2 sequences in NML are nicely recognizable and understandable 10:55:51 <planetmaker> even without documentation 10:56:16 <Alberth> now if only I knew when to use them :p 10:56:30 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:56:48 <planetmaker> :-) Alberth have the graphics block in an action0 reference a switch block instead of a spriteblock 10:56:52 <planetmaker> that's all 10:57:30 <planetmaker> s/action0/item declaration/ 10:58:00 <planetmaker> you need to read backwards the file which I linked 10:58:09 <planetmaker> start at the bottom 10:58:32 <Alberth> hmm, shouldn't we define nml upside down instead? 10:58:59 <planetmaker> well. yes and no 10:59:09 <planetmaker> in C you also first define the things which you later reference 10:59:24 <planetmaker> so... you read any programming code usually also backward :-) 10:59:38 <planetmaker> starting from main, working up the sub-routines as they're called 10:59:58 <planetmaker> well. Not any. But many ;-) 11:00:09 <Alberth> in the language I developed at work, there is no order of declarations :) 11:00:14 <planetmaker> :-) 11:00:25 <Alberth> ie the compiler shuffles them in a usable order 11:00:27 <Eddi|zuHause> in C you have forward declarations to solve that 11:00:51 <Alberth> usually #include s 11:00:59 <planetmaker> may that be all as it is. IMHO it's not that important to allow also a different order. At least not before 0.1 :-) 11:01:31 * Alberth agrees 11:01:43 <planetmaker> allowing an arbitrary order doesn't break anything either, so, it's save for 1.0 to have that only ;-) 11:02:09 <Alberth> he, no 0.2 ... 0.7 ? 11:02:32 <Alberth> :) 11:03:12 <Alberth> I don't really see much I can do with nml, atm 11:03:23 <Alberth> s/do/dev/ 11:03:27 <planetmaker> hm. We still need many action0 definitions 11:03:40 <planetmaker> But there one needs to know how they're used 11:04:17 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.2.191.147] has joined #openttd 11:04:48 <planetmaker> Alberth, if you feel like working on NML: allow it to back-translate grf2nml ;-) 11:06:09 <Alberth> the general infra structure is doable, but after that .... Bah, I really need to practice newgrfs first 11:06:57 <planetmaker> hm... 11:07:45 <Alberth> are layouts possible already (of industries / airports) ? 11:07:59 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 11:08:00 * Alberth wants to code an airport 11:08:20 <Alberth> but most likely not today 11:09:03 <andythenorth> ooh 11:10:59 *** JakeGrimshaw [~jake.grim@5e04ff19.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 11:11:00 * Celestar tries to find the old cargodest code 11:13:03 <Eddi|zuHause> are you sure that reviving that is a good idea? 11:13:21 <Celestar> no 11:13:22 <Celestar> :P 11:13:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean, there's cargodist, which is way further advanced, but needs trunkifying... 11:14:48 <Celestar> I dunno what cargodist does meanwhile 11:15:15 <Rubidium> spawn threads 11:15:29 <Celestar> lol 11:15:37 <Celestar> it's treaded? 11:15:40 <Celestar> threaded* 11:15:43 <Rubidium> yes 11:15:50 <Celestar> and network safe? :P 11:16:21 <Rubidium> that remains to be proven 11:16:37 <Rubidium> I seem to remember quite a few instances of desync issues 11:16:45 <Eddi|zuHause> fonsinchen promised that it was designed with multiplayer in mind, and so far i can tell, he fixed "almost" all desync issues, and i believe none of them had to do with threading 11:17:27 <planetmaker> <Alberth> are layouts possible already (of industries / airports) ? <-- I don't quite know 11:17:36 <Celestar> well 11:17:38 <Celestar> where is he_ 11:17:50 <Eddi|zuHause> @seen fonsinchen 11:17:50 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: fonsinchen was last seen in #openttd 3 days, 21 hours, 11 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <fonsinchen> I can make those numbers white ... 11:18:32 <Celestar> heh. 11:18:33 * andythenorth thinks that new airports will be awesome 11:18:36 <Celestar> he's working on it? 11:19:11 <planetmaker> whom on what? 11:19:17 <Celestar> fons on cargodist 11:19:35 <planetmaker> well, yes, IIRC she still works on it :-) 11:19:48 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: I seem to remember some optimsation patches of him that actually decreased performance in the "normal" case but were well tested and that he did do profiling, so I'm talking his words with a few grains of salt 11:19:50 <planetmaker> though I haven't seen much activity lately. But it comes and goes in waves 11:20:09 <Celestar> any source anywhere? 11:20:15 <Rubidium> fickfoo? 11:20:16 <planetmaker> yes 11:20:21 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 11:20:21 <planetmaker> no. github now 11:20:26 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: no, he changed that recently ;) 11:20:27 <planetmaker> or something 11:20:45 <planetmaker> the cargodist thread will know 11:21:01 <Sacro> planetmaker: she? 11:21:59 <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: i have seen no evidence that suggest that fonso is a girl ;) 11:22:31 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BD10.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:22:34 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: "13:21 < Sacro> planetmaker: she" <- there's your evidence 11:22:51 <Eddi|zuHause> yay for misquotations ;) 11:23:18 <Celestar> will check it :P 11:23:23 <Rubidium> oh... I should've done: 11:23:26 *** Sacro is now known as Guest2501 11:23:26 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-107-133.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:23:27 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: "13:21 < Sacro> planetmaker: she [...]" <- there's your evidence 11:24:12 <planetmaker> :-) 11:25:45 <Eddi|zuHause> random quote of the day, that doesn't have anything to do with the conversation: (or short: rqotdtdnhatdwtc) "<VH> wird ja dann nen Wanderpokal weil der immer im Wohnwagen unterwegs ist :)" 11:26:53 *** Guest2501 [~ben@adsl-77-86-107-133.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:27:40 *** Spoons [faux@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 11:31:47 <Morloth_> Evening everyone :) 11:33:09 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 11:33:47 *** Sacro is now known as Guest2502 11:33:47 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-70-35.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:37:09 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC345C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:39:31 *** Guest2502 [~ben@adsl-77-86-107-133.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:43:21 *** Sacro is now known as Guest2504 11:43:21 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-70-35.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:47:43 *** Fixer [~Fixer@91.202.128.79] has joined #openttd 11:49:52 *** Guest2504 [~ben@adsl-77-86-70-35.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:55:09 <Celestar> hm. 11:55:17 <Celestar> what does cargodist do? :P 11:59:59 <Alberth> imo too much 12:02:16 <Eddi|zuHause> it solves a network flow problem 12:02:20 <Eddi|zuHause> and then some ;) 12:03:09 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc3ba4.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:04:06 *** Fixer is now known as Fixed 12:04:46 <Celestar> haha 12:04:55 <Celestar> there's the one :) 12:08:05 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC345C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!] 12:12:00 *** Fixed [~Fixer@91.202.128.79] has left #openttd [] 12:12:14 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:7dc4:ff67:92ea:7327] has joined #openttd 12:12:17 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:14:36 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: alberth * r20097 /trunk/src/ (rail_cmd.cpp road_cmd.cpp slope_type.h): -Codechange: Share constant bitset of safe level crossing slopes. 12:15:25 <TrueBrain> huh? A Celestar? Here? Wtf? 12:15:32 * TrueBrain hugs Celestar 12:15:44 <Morloth_> TrueBrain!!! You're alive! :D 12:15:51 <TrueBrain> NO! 12:15:56 <TrueBrain> too fucking hot to be considered alive 12:16:04 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc3ba4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:16:05 <Alberth> he is usually buried in the dunes 12:16:14 <TrueBrain> hihi 12:16:23 <Morloth_> You should come over here, it's nice and rainy in glasgow ;) 12:16:36 <TrueBrain> if you pay for the flight, SURE! 12:16:40 <glx> lucky Morloth_ 12:16:49 <Alberth> obviously, by the time we are there, the rain has gone :) 12:17:03 <Celestar> TRUEBRAIN :D 12:17:10 <Morloth_> uh huh, funny guy. I can offer you a home cooked meal though ;) 12:17:18 <TrueBrain> your meals? 12:17:21 <TrueBrain> I rather eat junkfood 12:17:35 <Celestar> always the same, he is :) 12:17:36 <TrueBrain> what makes Celestar join this channel? :) 12:17:39 <Celestar> dunno 12:17:43 <glx> time maybe 12:17:46 <Celestar> thinking about the past :P 12:17:53 <TrueBrain> ah, you are getting old 12:17:59 <Celestar> as are you :D 12:18:04 <TrueBrain> very true :) 12:18:34 <Celestar> so I thought about hitting openttd a bit again 12:18:53 <Celestar> trying to understand the source for example :P 12:19:01 <TrueBrain> you have a lot of catching up to do ;) 12:19:17 <Celestar> I figured :P 12:19:51 <TrueBrain> you are smart! :p 12:22:16 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: nah... he should've come here a month earlier... then you might've hugged him IRL 12:22:25 <TrueBrain> true true true true 12:22:27 <TrueBrain> his loss :p 12:22:51 <Celestar> lol 12:22:56 <Celestar> hides* 12:23:00 <Eddi|zuHause> don't mention The Party to outsiders! :p 12:23:27 <Celestar> I know about The Party :( 12:23:30 <Celestar> fucking missed it 12:23:58 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: when did it become a Fight Club? 12:24:01 <TrueBrain> did I miss something? 12:24:03 <TrueBrain> did we leave too early? :p 12:24:14 <Eddi|zuHause> :) 12:27:31 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 12:27:58 <Morloth_> Any of you going to Edinburgh for the meeting? 12:29:08 <TrueBrain> a deap silence came over #openttd 12:29:56 * TrueBrain hugs Morloth_ 12:30:00 <TrueBrain> that was not nice of me :p 12:30:16 <Rubidium> that happens when you ask an unanswerable question 12:33:17 <Wolf01> is a 1.0.3 coming? 12:33:27 <Spoons> Yes. 12:33:40 <Wolf01> I just noticed the commits 12:34:11 *** dfox [~dfox@rb5cd235.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:35:46 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:45:32 <Morloth_> bastard ;) 12:46:02 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:7dc4:ff67:92ea:7327] has joined #openttd 12:46:05 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx_] by ChanServ 12:46:14 <Sacro> heh, arch just gave me 1.0.2 12:46:18 *** glx is now known as Guest2510 12:46:18 *** glx_ is now known as glx 12:46:20 <Morloth_> anyone seen Yexo around lately? 12:46:30 <planetmaker> yes 12:46:46 <Rubidium> Morloth_: a few days ago... saying he was going on vacation for a couple of weeks 12:46:49 <planetmaker> it wouldn't matter if he ate more :-P 12:46:57 <Morloth_> ah, ok thanks. 12:47:08 <planetmaker> oh, a couple of weeks? :-) 12:47:44 <Morloth_> Would it be all right if I create a patch for http://bugs.openttd.org/task/3934 ? Really want this bug fixed :X 12:49:10 <planetmaker> creating patches is always welcom 12:49:11 <planetmaker> e 12:49:45 *** halfr [~halfr@128.180.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3-dev] 12:49:48 <Wolf01> s/patches/bugfix patches 12:49:57 <planetmaker> :-) 12:50:02 <planetmaker> especially those, yes 12:52:07 <Morloth_> At the moment NoCAB is creating entire rainforrests because the town rating is returned incorrectly. It's quite funny to see :P 12:52:10 *** Guest2510 [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:7dc4:ff67:92ea:7327] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:54:40 <planetmaker> :-) 12:54:50 <planetmaker> No-Greenpeace-Cab? 12:57:11 <Celestar> erm. 12:57:38 <planetmaker> wer e sagt muà auch f sagen. Oder so ;-) 12:57:40 <TrueBrain> yes dear? 12:58:03 <Rubidium> okay planeftmakefr 12:58:11 <planetmaker> :-) 12:58:26 *** planetmaker is now known as planeftmakefr 12:58:37 <Rubidium> doefs it work thef othefr way around as wefll? 12:59:19 <planeftmakefr> feor efxamplef likef this sefntefncef? 12:59:29 <planeftmakefr> sefefms likef 12:59:44 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-70-35.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 13:00:19 *** planeftmakefr is now known as planetmaker 13:00:33 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-77-86-70-35.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:00:47 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 13:01:07 <Rubidium> yefs planefefmakefefr 13:01:33 <TrueBrain> or we can 'start talking like thi's again. I alway's loved that too :) 13:02:35 <glx> I need to reenable my script for that 13:02:49 <Rubidium> yef's that i's a good idefa TruefBrain 13:03:33 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I am alway's full of tho'se :) 13:03:43 <TrueBrain> glx: did you know that it i's not that hard to just type it your'self? 13:03:51 <TrueBrain> it goe's without much effort to do 'so 13:04:22 <TrueBrain> anyway, it i's hot out'side, I am going to enjoy that now :) Bye :) 13:04:32 *** Sacro1 [~Sacro@adsl-77-86-70-35.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:04:58 <glx> for me it i's hard :) 13:06:15 <Celestar> why is the content download window empty? 13:06:16 <Celestar> :P 13:07:07 <Kogut> firewall? 13:07:54 <Noldo_> Celestar sounds awfully much like a newbie :P 13:08:56 *** Fixer [~Fixer@91.202.128.79] has joined #openttd 13:10:00 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 13:10:04 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-77-86-70-35.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:10:14 <Celestar> lol 13:10:17 <Celestar> I am :) 13:10:56 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.202] has joined #openttd 13:13:27 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-77-86-70-35.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:13:54 <Belugas> hello 13:14:02 <Alberth> hai Belugas 13:14:12 <Rubidium> ohai Belugas! 13:14:25 <Belugas> sir Alberth :D, sur Rubidium :D 13:14:32 <Belugas> ho... sir Celestar! 13:14:43 <Celestar> :) 13:14:47 <Celestar> Lord Belugas 13:20:07 *** Sacro1 [~Sacro@adsl-77-86-70-35.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:21:38 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8991.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:24:11 *** Sacro1 [~Sacro@adsl-77-86-70-35.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:27:01 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:27:20 * andythenorth wants a funny name 13:29:23 *** Fixer is now known as Fixed 13:29:44 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-77-86-70-35.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:33:15 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-77-86-70-35.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:34:16 *** VVG [~sdfkhksd@85.249.0.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:34:26 *** VVG [~sdfkhksd@85.249.0.42] has joined #openttd 13:38:04 <Rubidium> hmm... stupid forums where you need to register to search... 13:39:47 *** Sacro1 [~Sacro@adsl-77-86-70-35.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:41:12 <Celestar> hm. 13:41:16 <Celestar> hugeass thing this cargodist 13:41:49 <Terkhen> hello 13:41:59 <Alberth> hai Terkhen 13:42:35 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: more listen, more understand, more know] 13:43:14 *** Sacro1 [~Sacro@adsl-77-86-70-35.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:48:14 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 13:50:20 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-77-86-70-35.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:51:26 <planetmaker> <Celestar> hugeass thing this cargodist <-- I recall that cargodEst wasn't really a 10-line patch either ;-) 13:51:34 <planetmaker> moin Terkhen 13:52:24 <Rubidium> planetmaker: but not nearing like halve a MiB 13:52:44 <Rubidium> more some low-ish 1xx KiB 13:52:47 <planetmaker> not? Throw in boost dependency and you're well above that 13:52:58 <Celestar> planetmaker: it wasn't?? 13:53:16 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-77-86-70-35.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:53:36 <Celestar> well 13:53:56 <Celestar> if you count libc, sdl, .... then the openttd code is rather huge :P 13:54:16 <peter1138> celestar!!!!!! :D 13:54:22 <Celestar> peeeeeeeeeeeeeter 13:54:37 <peter1138> oh gosh, you're actually looking at the old cargodest stuff 13:54:40 <planetmaker> yes. But in honour(?) of cargodIst vs. cargodEst: cargodest used external graph routines. While cargodist seems to have self-written stuff for that 13:54:40 <peter1138> scary D: 13:55:32 <Celestar> peter1138: well, I'm trying to find out wtf I did :P 13:56:06 <Rubidium> Celestar: all peanuts if when you consider the hugeness of icu 13:56:36 <Celestar> possibly yes :D 13:56:38 <peter1138> hmm, 224KB for the patch 13:56:46 <glx> Celestar: have fun with GUI changes ;) 13:57:01 <peter1138> though a lot of it was gui work 13:58:45 <Rubidium> did cargodest include zooming in? 13:59:08 <peter1138> uh 13:59:16 <Celestar> no it didn't 13:59:18 <peter1138> that doesn't sound like a cargodest feature 13:59:20 <Rubidium> like cargodist does 13:59:26 <peter1138> ... 13:59:57 <planetmaker> well. The zoom wrt the link graphs is quite sensible 14:00:16 *** Sacro1 [~Sacro@adsl-77-86-70-35.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:00:17 <planetmaker> otherwise it becomes nearly impossible to tell the links of a metropolitan area 14:01:29 <Celestar> Cargodest just included ... er ... commets >P 14:01:45 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:7dc4:ff67:92ea:7327] has quit [Quit: bye] 14:01:48 <Celestar> comments even 14:04:30 <peter1138> yeah, there were quite a few 14:05:43 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:7dc4:ff67:92ea:7327] has joined #openttd 14:05:46 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:09:08 *** Fixed is now known as Fixer 14:09:25 *** Fixer is now known as Fixed 14:13:21 *** Sacro1 [~Sacro@adsl-77-86-70-35.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:14:29 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r20098 /trunk/src/ (train.h train_cmd.cpp vehicle.cpp): -Fix [FS#3898]: A train reversing in a station would sometimes fail to release its reserved path. 14:18:37 *** Fixed [~Fixer@91.202.128.79] has left #openttd [] 14:18:38 *** tdev [~udev@p508EFC6E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: free open source vehicle simulator: http://rigsofrods.com] 14:19:08 *** Fixer [~Fixer@91.202.128.79] has joined #openttd 14:19:11 *** Celestar [~vici@217.110.29.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:19:37 <Sacro1> hmm, should i get the offer to purchase another company when I don't have the cash to afford it? 14:20:06 <peter1138> you might be able to flog some stuff off or take out a bigger loan 14:20:06 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-77-86-70-35.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:20:29 <TrueBrain> # JUST DANCE!! 14:22:53 <TrueBrain> # Wonderful days, belong to the best. I don't know where I have been, what to do 14:23:06 <TrueBrain> who is old enough to know that song? :) 14:24:48 *** Celestar [~vici@217.110.29.210] has joined #openttd 14:24:49 <Celestar> oops 14:25:03 <TrueBrain> that is what she said 14:25:33 <peter1138> i'm probably old enough but i'm not into happy hardcore 14:26:00 <peter1138> (which is what the internets come up with) 14:26:31 <TrueBrain> so you cheated, tsss 14:26:40 <Spoons> TrueBrain's gonna be okay. 14:30:02 <TrueBrain> Spoons: really? 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<welshdragon> Rubidium: haha 17:35:44 *** Jhs2 [~Jhs4@host170-89-206-1.limes.com.pl] has quit [] 17:36:34 *** Jhs [~Jhs4@host170-89-206-1.limes.com.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:40:58 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:45:30 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: translators * r20101 /trunk/src/lang/ (estonian.txt polish.txt portuguese.txt romanian.txt): 17:45:30 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:30 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: estonian - 16 changes by Jaanus 17:45:30 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: polish - 3 changes by xine 17:45:30 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: portuguese - 6 changes by ABCRic, JayCity 17:45:31 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: romanian - 2 changes by kkmic 17:48:04 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20102 /trunk/src/music/dmusic.cpp: -Fix: OpenMSX music sounds odd after certain songs are played. 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18:50:05 <Eddi|zuHause> what mind? :p 18:50:13 <planetmaker> :-D 18:50:37 *** jpx_ [jpx_@a91-156-228-224.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 18:53:11 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-74-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:55:11 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 18:56:26 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-74-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:57:16 <Pikel> how do I build a trainstation when the nearby town won't let me? 18:58:05 * andythenorth is pondering what factors should affect secondary industry closure 18:58:08 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: ^^ 18:58:17 <Alberth> bribe them, wait, or build trees 18:58:27 * andythenorth finds the whole question of closure remarkably dull, but it has to be sorted out :P 18:58:51 <Eddi|zuHause> IMHO, serviced secondary industries should never close 18:59:13 <andythenorth> serviced: recently? within n years? ever? 18:59:19 <Alberth> Pikel: my answer was for you :) 18:59:38 <planetmaker> andythenorth: at least a year 18:59:43 <Eddi|zuHause> "within 1 year"? 19:00:08 *** Pikel is now known as Chris[A] 19:00:16 <Eddi|zuHause> after that year, treat it like an unserviced industry 19:00:23 <andythenorth> sounds plausible 19:00:40 <andythenorth> I'm going to play with closure disabled, so this decision will get made by those who turn up :) 19:00:40 <Chris[A]> sorry, had to reattach my irssi session, was wonky 19:00:53 <andythenorth> I'm not going to play test closure very much :o 19:00:56 <Alberth> Chris[A]: Alberth: bribe them, wait, or build trees 19:01:25 <Chris[A]> can you bribe them? 19:01:27 <Alberth> in general, first build the stations, then do terraforming :) 19:01:40 <Alberth> if you enabled it in the settings 19:01:50 <Chris[A]> interesting..... 19:02:06 <Alberth> not really imho, but ok 19:03:11 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-74-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 19:03:18 <Eddi|zuHause> "In a March report that was not questioned by federal officials, BP said it had the capacity to skim and remove 491,721 barrels of oil each day in the event of a major spill." --- "In the 77 days since [the oil spill, s]kimming has captured only 67,143 barrels, and BP has relied on burning to remove 238,095 barrels." 19:03:43 <andythenorth> frosch123: if I return 04 80 to the production change cb....will that use the built-in closure conditions? 19:03:56 <andythenorth> (for both steady and fluctuating economies) 19:05:09 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: don't worry, we will have lots of court cases and public investigations aftewards :p 19:05:51 <frosch123> andythenorth: newgrfs always use non-smooth economy if any of the production change callbacks is enabled 19:06:23 <frosch123> and iirc the "default production change" means "default change of primary industries" 19:06:24 <andythenorth> I would just trust the wiki, but seems every time we look at this, we find...strange things....in the production code :P 19:06:40 <andythenorth> I would rather avoid writing any closure code for secondary industry 19:06:47 <andythenorth> as I basically don't care about ti 19:06:49 <andythenorth> it /s 19:06:50 <andythenorth> :) 19:07:13 <Eddi|zuHause> "smooth economy" [advanced setting] and "steady economy" [difficulty setting] are two separate things... 19:09:51 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-74-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:10:39 *** tdev [~udev@p57B7F03D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: free open source vehicle simulator: http://rigsofrods.com] 19:13:11 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-74-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 19:14:08 *** Fixer [~Fixer@91.202.128.79] has joined #openttd 19:18:26 <Chris[A]> when you have a bunch of people witing for the train ... ar they satisfied to just go to the next town or do they have a specific location in mind (i.e. I need to hit every town?) 19:18:34 *** Chris[A] is now known as Pikel 19:18:50 <Alberth> Pikel: they go wherever you bring them 19:18:55 <Pikel> gotcha 19:19:15 <Alberth> and they are not afraid to catch the same train again 19:19:28 <Pikel> ok 19:19:37 <Pikel> is there a limit to the # of trains in motion? 19:19:57 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-74-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:20:16 <Alberth> CPU, your max #trains/trucks/etc, or 65536 vehicles, or so 19:20:59 <Pikel> ok, I haven't reached that # yet, but I can't buy any more engins (but I can cars) 19:23:11 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-74-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 19:24:52 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:25:04 <planetmaker> might actually be 1536 vehicles less. Dunno :-) 19:25:44 <planetmaker> Pikel: 3000 trains and your CPU will surely reach about its limits :-) 19:26:02 <Pikel> still ... I have like 8 engines and *maybe* 25-30 cars total (no other vehicle types in play currently) 19:26:53 <planetmaker> well... add a factor of 100 and the map may start to look full :-) 19:26:56 <Eddi|zuHause> 8 is usually not the limit... 19:27:13 <planetmaker> but alone that may take quite a long time to build such a huge network 19:27:20 <Eddi|zuHause> unless you changed the setting 19:27:34 <Pikel> map has been in motion for 98 years now 19:27:36 <planetmaker> !rcon set max_trains 5 19:27:36 *** planetmaker was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [Wrong channel. Retry in #openttdcoop.] 19:27:46 *** planetmaker [~pm@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 19:27:51 <planetmaker> hmpf 19:28:07 <Eddi|zuHause> looka like the script works as intended ;) 19:28:08 <planetmaker> and I specifically added a leading " " so that it is not a command :-( 19:28:14 <planetmaker> nope 19:28:31 <planetmaker> it should not kick on a disabled command ;-) 19:28:53 *** Morloth [~bram@cpc1-cowc4-0-0-cust183.renf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 19:29:09 <Eddi|zuHause> Pikel: you mean your engine models got old and can't be bought anymore? you should change railtypes then 19:29:21 <planetmaker> glx: your kick is to vigorous :-) it should only kick on !somecommand in the beginning of the lines ;-) 19:29:49 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-74-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:30:06 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: you could have said the same with full sentences 19:30:27 <glx> planetmaker: it checks only the first word 19:30:42 <planetmaker> glx: yes. But it's not a valid command, if preceeded by space ;-) 19:30:56 <glx> spaces are ignored 19:30:58 <planetmaker> it's our usual way to show a command: add leading space and it's displayed, not executed 19:31:18 <planetmaker> hm... I err 19:31:21 <planetmaker> ok :-P 19:31:37 <planetmaker> I take back my complaint :-) 19:33:12 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-74-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 19:34:00 <Pikel> ok it's engines trains and 36 cars yet I can't build any more engines :/ 19:35:18 <Eddi|zuHause> Pikel: click and hold the rail icon in the main toolbar, then switch to monorail or maglev 19:35:58 <Pikel> ahh ok 19:39:56 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-74-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:42:20 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 19:43:11 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-74-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 19:43:22 <planetmaker> Sacro, you should fix your connection 19:47:11 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:47:29 <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro_ as well 19:48:34 <andythenorth> anyone fancy testing FIRS secondary closure? I don't fancy sitting here watching a game on FF 19:48:43 <Sacro_> ? 19:49:16 <andythenorth> I've just committed code that disables / enables secondary industry closing with a parameter 19:49:41 <andythenorth> needs testing, I can't be bothered 19:49:51 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-74-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:49:52 <andythenorth> I did a weekend of this once before :P 19:50:15 <andythenorth> Terkhen: you had a way of running automated tests? 19:50:19 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: frosch * r20103 /trunk/ (bin/ai/regression/regression.txt src/ai/api/ai_town.cpp): -Fix [FS#3934]: AITown::GetRating() returned wrong values. (Morloth) 19:50:58 <Morloth> Thanks frosch123 :D 19:52:44 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.202] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:53:10 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-74-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 19:53:16 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-66-81.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:59:55 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-74-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:02:59 *** Polygon [~Poly@n15-60.dsl.vianetworks.de] has joined #openttd 20:03:10 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-74-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:08:13 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 20:09:36 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has joined #openttd 20:09:47 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-74-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:12:47 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:13:11 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-74-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:17:28 *** dfox [~dfox@rb5cd235.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 20:19:57 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-74-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:23:12 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-74-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:29:51 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-74-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:32:14 *** Morloth [~bram@cpc1-cowc4-0-0-cust183.renf.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:32:56 *** murr7y [~murray@45.84-49-70.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:33:11 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-74-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:33:33 *** murr7y [~murray@45.84-49-70.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 20:33:44 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.2.191.147] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:35:15 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-74-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:35:58 * andythenorth watches a game on FF for industry closure. 20:36:02 <andythenorth> sooooooooo boring 20:37:55 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.2.191.147] has joined #openttd 20:39:05 <Wolf01> ask the devs to create a debug feature to force an industry to close 20:40:24 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: that's not what he tests 20:41:39 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: I'm only testing for default closure behaviour at the moment. I want to know it's turned *off* 20:43:11 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-74-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:48:48 <Wolf01> 'nnniiiiiight (yawn) 20:49:03 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host20-232-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:49:51 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-74-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:50:51 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r20104 /trunk/src/music/win32_m.cpp: -Fix: [Win32] The win32 MIDI driver might clip the start of a song. 20:53:09 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-74-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:55:50 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8991.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:56:49 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-40-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:59:06 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-103-121.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 20:59:09 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 20:59:59 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-74-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:00:47 *** Polygon [~Poly@n15-60.dsl.vianetworks.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:01:31 *** Polygon [~Poly@n15-60.dsl.vianetworks.de] has joined #openttd 21:03:11 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-74-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:09:55 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-74-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:13:11 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-74-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:19:55 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-74-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:20:21 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:22:43 *** murr8y [~murray@45.84-49-70.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 21:23:10 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-74-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:23:33 *** murr7y [~murray@45.84-49-70.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:29:51 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-74-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:36:50 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-74-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:37:21 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-74-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:40:57 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.181.62] has joined #openttd 21:42:28 *** Pikel is now known as Chris[A] 21:43:15 *** Sacro1 [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-74-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:47:07 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:48:06 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.187.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:50:10 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-74-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:51:40 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC345C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:51:49 *** tdev [~udev@p508EFC6E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:00:57 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BD10.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Progman] 22:03:15 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-74-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:05:17 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-25-5-181.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 22:10:06 *** Sacro1 [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-74-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:12:52 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227041135.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 22:14:05 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:15:28 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:6c62:8566:83f1:9cd5] has joined #openttd 22:23:42 *** Sacro1 [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-74-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:25:38 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20105 /trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 22:25:38 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: -Revert (r20102) [FS#3938]: resetting DirectMusic completely, although working, 22:25:38 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: causes a temporary freeze of OpenTTD. As MCI behaves better than DirectMusic 22:25:38 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: that has become the default music driver; small delay between songs beats 22:25:38 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: wrongly pitched/bad sounding songs 22:27:44 <Eddi|zuHause> DirectMusic gets phased out? 22:28:10 <Rubidium> undefaulted 22:28:14 <Rubidium> as it's just crappy 22:28:20 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC345C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:28:56 <Eddi|zuHause> does that mean people don't need ages old SDKs anymore? 22:29:07 <Rubidium> no 22:30:05 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-74-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:30:19 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't understand this answer... 22:30:49 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:31:08 <Rubidium> then you've asked the question incorrectly 22:31:57 <Eddi|zuHause> then, please answer the question i should have asked ;) 22:32:18 <Eddi|zuHause> (and include the correct question in that answer) 22:32:18 <Rubidium> yes 22:32:43 <Rubidium> do people still next DXSDK7? 22:33:36 <ccfreak2k> I concur with Rubidium. 22:33:49 <ccfreak2k> Your use of a negative in your question left the interpretation of the answer ambiguous. 22:34:29 <frosch123> night 22:34:32 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe455.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:34:34 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-74-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:34:37 <glx> maybe one day we'll totally drop DX ;) 22:35:00 <Eddi|zuHause> then the followup question is: why is it still needed? 22:35:12 <Rubidium> because MCI might not work properly 22:35:27 <Rubidium> after all... there *IS* a reason why dmusic was added 22:35:56 <Rubidium> I'm just not aware of it 22:36:22 <glx> IIRC on some system mci failed to play midi 22:36:39 <Rubidium> and having DXSDK7 keeps some of the compile "noobs" away 22:36:51 <glx> and that's a good point :) 22:36:53 <Eddi|zuHause> haha :) 22:37:42 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 22:40:00 *** Sacro1 [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-74-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:40:58 * Rubidium is getting annoyed about xz still not being stabilised 22:43:43 *** Sacro1 [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-74-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:50:05 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-74-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:51:01 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DB44D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... 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