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00:03:15 <TruePikachu> The map actually will be the same size as before 00:05:43 <Ammler> gute Nacht 00:07:02 *** thvdburgt [~thvdburgt@banning.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:07:13 <TruePikachu> Xrufuian: I am making the map by hand, it will be hilly, and there will be big flat spots at the far ends 00:07:21 <TruePikachu> (for our main cities) 00:07:36 <TruePikachu> Each main city will use the 3x3 grid 00:07:54 <TruePikachu> And I will not manually expand either of them 00:07:58 <Xrufuian> Will it be a co-op or competition? 00:08:08 <TruePikachu> Approximatly the latter 00:08:49 <TruePikachu> We will still try to help each other out as best as we can from our own companies 00:09:35 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 00:09:55 <Xrufuian> You ought to try an Inrfastructure Sharing game sometime.. 00:10:14 * TruePikachu cannot easily apply the patch right now 00:10:46 <TruePikachu> Oh, and our map will have NO IMMOVABLES!!! 00:11:02 <TruePikachu> AND it will have the GRF that lets banks and water towers and such close down 00:11:58 <TruePikachu> (i.e. it will be possible to have a completly flat map again, with nothing on it, although it would take ages and lots of luck) 00:12:48 <Xrufuian> Yexo: The message seems to be specific to the nightly I was using. 1.0.3 and r20518 are fine with the same exact config file. 00:13:04 <TruePikachu> Xrufuian: What will you want your town be named? 00:13:15 <Yexo> Xrufuian: can you upload your openttd.cfg and hotkeys.cfg somewhere? 00:13:36 <Yexo> on, nvm 00:13:40 <Yexo> I read it wrong 00:14:01 <Yexo> most likely the nightly you got that message in used a different config file 00:14:13 *** murr5y is now known as murr4y 00:14:56 <TruePikachu> Xrufuian: What will you want your town to be named? 00:15:45 <Xrufuian> I just thought of something. I'll be right back. 00:15:54 <TruePikachu> I think that name is too long 00:19:08 <Xrufuian> Npoe, made no difference. 00:20:07 <Xrufuian> I guess whatever it was, was changed between the two revisions. 00:20:56 <Xrufuian> Chris: Name it Mojave 00:21:04 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 00:21:16 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.74.94] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 00:23:31 <TruePikachu> :( you have more population 00:24:36 <Xrufuian> Heh, that's funny. 00:25:01 <Xrufuian> Mojave is sadly dieing 00:25:30 <Xrufuian> (Stupid interstate 40.) 00:26:14 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-0cf1e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:26:37 <TruePikachu> I'll put a large city (>10000 pop) at midway 00:26:45 <TruePikachu> Named Midway 00:27:16 <TruePikachu> I'll also build up space for you to plop down a good small airport in it 00:27:32 <TruePikachu> As a moneymaker 00:28:07 <Xrufuian> Sugestion: Use both NARS and UKRS. 00:31:45 *** 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keyboard 00:57:01 *** avdg [~Adium@78-21-57-217.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:57:28 *** Xrufuian [~Xrufuian@pool-98-119-100-114.lsanca.btas.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Would you like to know more?] 00:59:16 *** Zahl [~Zahl@frbg-4d0289a7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:00:07 <TruePikachu> Nah, too complicated 01:00:30 <TruePikachu> (for now) 01:08:54 *** avdg1 [~Adium@78-21-57-217.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:14:11 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.116.94] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:15:51 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.116.94] has joined #openttd 01:45:25 *** DDR_ [~chatzilla@66.183.116.94] has joined #openttd 01:46:36 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.116.94] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:46:37 *** DDR_ is now known as DDR 01:48:36 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:cd6:709a:29a7:274f] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:18:23 *** robotboy 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[~progman@p57A19E0A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:01:49 *** TruePikachu [~chris@cpe-67-49-42-88.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: (mid)Night] 07:04:46 <Terkhen> good morning 07:14:04 <dihedral> morning 07:18:43 <planetmaker> moin 07:21:53 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 07:34:52 <peter1138> hmm, is there a simple C lib for sha1? 07:35:35 <peter1138> (or is sha1 really simple anyway...) 07:37:13 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:38:27 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 07:40:26 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f68d8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 07:41:20 <Goulp> peter1138: seems simple : http://www.koders.com/c/fid0872438EA16C4C34323AE50DFF421BC091B01B58.aspx 07:41:57 <peter1138> *nod* 07:42:00 <peter1138> i found polarssl 07:42:17 <peter1138> i'll use that, as it saves having yet another copy of sha1 in my random source code 07:43:01 *** sylf 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timeout: 480 seconds] 08:20:26 <peter1138> the readme packaged with debian explains how to compile it 08:22:29 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:24:33 <peter1138> http://www.gnupg.org/documentation/manuals/gcrypt/ ah ha! 08:42:12 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 08:42:31 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-eaf6e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 08:43:10 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 08:45:33 <peter1138> Thanks Rubidium, it's pretty simple for this task :) 08:46:13 <peter1138> also 08:46:21 <peter1138> Function: void gcry_md_close (gcry_md_hd_t h) 08:46:31 <peter1138> A NULL passed as h is ignored. 08:46:32 <peter1138> so 08:46:39 <peter1138> gcry_md_hd_t is a hidden pointer type. EVIL! 08:52:43 *** CruelCoke [~chatzilla@178.34.19.22] has joined #openttd 08:53:02 <CruelCoke> 0hai. what's the linux you develop on? 08:53:29 <peter1138> 2.6.32 08:53:54 <CruelCoke> i mean, not kernel. the linux-based os 08:54:06 <dihedral> peter1138: i think he wants to know a distribution name 08:54:14 <dihedral> CruelCoke: the one you like best 08:54:26 <peter1138> and i say it's a silly question 08:54:37 * dihedral nods 08:54:37 <CruelCoke> i think you develop on either ubuntu or deb 08:54:51 <dihedral> CruelCoke: what difference does it make? 08:55:39 <CruelCoke> well, your 103 worked on Puppy Linux Jeans. 08:56:03 <CruelCoke> that's k26 or even older 08:56:47 <CruelCoke> what are the minimal sdl versions needed? 08:57:38 <CruelCoke> it's all a question of what distro OTTD is suitable for. 08:57:49 <dihedral> most likely any 08:57:52 <frosch123> version does not matter as much as the patch level of breaking, fixing, breakign again, fixing again... 08:58:42 <dihedral> CruelCoke, you mean, it's a question as to which required libraries are available in the package management 08:58:58 <dihedral> that is not a requirement to the distribution though 08:59:10 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.126.195] has joined #openttd 08:59:43 <CruelCoke> well, Puppy main branch comes without sdl, but the "jeans" branch comes with it 09:00:26 <CruelCoke> puppy is a pendrive linux 09:01:09 * frosch123 decided against a mainboard with on-board linux 09:01:27 <dihedral> ^^ 09:01:46 <dihedral> CruelCoke, any distribution you feel comfortable with, is suitable. 09:02:19 <dihedral> worst case, you need to manually add some libraries as they don't exist in the package management system the distro might use 09:03:12 *** CruelCoke [~chatzilla@178.34.19.22] has left #openttd [] 09:06:47 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-29-123-213.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 09:08:53 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.126.195] has quit [Quit: In democracy it's your vote that counts; In feudalism it's your count that votes. - Mogens Jallberg] 09:14:56 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.54.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:15:20 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-29-123-213.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:17:10 <Zuu> As long as you don't have a cripled distro without a compiler, you can always compile the libraries that you do not have + openttd from source. 09:17:22 <Zuu> Oh.. he quit 09:18:15 <dihedral> Zuu, no, he did not, he just left ^^ 09:19:23 <Zuu> tsss.. Technical detail. 09:19:38 <dihedral> ^^ 09:21:48 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 09:43:04 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20522 /trunk/src/object_base.h: -Fix [FS#4041] (r20482): the wrong "delete" was called for Objects 09:47:45 <Eddi|zuHause> http://imgur.com/pxNac.png <-- one needs to start a contest for "who can come up with the best conspiracy theory" ;) 09:49:15 <Rubidium> multiple nuclear tests just south of Prague? 09:49:44 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r20523 /trunk/src/ai/ai_gui.cpp: 09:49:44 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Fix [FS#4040]: Do not print a colon for AI settings with empty name. 09:49:44 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: Please note that this is only meant for compatiblity to make settings of 'old' AIs still look nice. 09:49:44 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: Usage of this 'compatibility feature' is not recommended, as selected lines cannot be highlighted this way as it is done for the NewGRF settings. 09:49:56 *** SmatZ- is now known as SmatZ 09:50:06 <Rubidium> probably medium, huge, lunch break, smal, small, tiny, tiny 09:53:13 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: that would be an explanation, if it were moving circles, but in the picture 15 minutes later, they are in the same position 09:54:27 <Rubidium> oh, then they're sending out a number of wavelengths of brown noise that amplify/cancel eachother 09:54:55 <Rubidium> and that excites the water vapour in such a way they begin forming droplets 09:55:48 <frosch123> aliens communicate using low frequencies 09:56:10 <dihedral> i recall something about an eu law, wrt mangling with weather 09:56:46 <Eddi|zuHause> dihedral: like the chinese did? they were trying to make rain, but instead they got two weeks of snow? 09:57:42 <dihedral> like the british once did too 09:58:00 <dihedral> but they did not get snow, they got rain 09:58:02 <dihedral> lots of rain 09:58:12 <Rubidium> and the Russian one caused rain in Pakistan and India instead? 09:58:31 <Eddi|zuHause> hahaha :) 10:03:12 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 10:03:43 *** Sacro [~ben@cpc2-mfld9-0-0-cust880.13-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:03:48 *** TinoDidriksen [~TinoDidri@alpha.visl.sdu.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:07:08 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-eaf6e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:20:13 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 10:21:39 *** avdg [~Adium@78-21-57-217.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:21:59 *** Timitry_ [~Tim@p5DE8C762.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:22:03 *** Timitry_ [~Tim@p5DE8C762.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 10:22:12 <avdg> oi :/ 10:23:07 *** James [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 10:23:40 *** James is now known as Guest702 10:23:59 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.74.94] has joined #openttd 10:25:33 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:28:29 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:49:37 *** Zahl [~Zahl@frbg-4d0289a7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:01:36 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:03:12 *** Biolunar [Mahdi@blfd-4db0e7bf.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:03:29 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: more listen, more understand, more know] 11:10:17 *** Zuu [Zuu@85.230.240.54] has joined #openttd 11:11:11 *** perk11 [~perk11@85.175.197.161] has joined #openttd 11:14:17 *** thvdburgt [~thvdburgt@banning.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:14:22 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has joined #openttd 11:14:45 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 11:16:50 *** perk111 [~perk11@85.175.25.141] has joined #openttd 11:17:17 *** perk111 [~perk11@85.175.25.141] has quit [] 11:21:59 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:23:07 *** perk11 [~perk11@85.175.197.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:53:08 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.41] has joined #openttd 11:59:22 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r20524 /trunk/src/airport.cpp: -Codechange: remove old airport debug code 12:00:05 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r20525 /trunk/src/aircraft_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: make Aircraft::UpdateDeltaXY more readable by removing the MKIT macro 12:05:43 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c42d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:06:11 *** FloSoft [bouncer@www.siedler25.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:07:18 *** Zuu [Zuu@85.230.240.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:10:50 *** TinoDidriksen [~TinoDidri@alpha.visl.sdu.dk] has joined #openttd 12:11:17 *** FloSoft [bouncer@www.siedler25.org] has joined #openttd 12:19:40 *** KopjeKoffie [5457bc21@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 12:19:47 *** [hta]specx [~opera@ip94-126-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 12:21:25 <[hta]specx> Is there a way to fastenup screenshots from complete game? I want to make a moving timelapse vid, but ctrl+g takes about 20 sec and then desyncs the game 12:22:05 <avdg> a save? 12:22:09 <Rubidium> [hta]specx: desyncs as in what error? 12:22:47 <Rubidium> "network game synchronisation lost" or "network game connection lost"? 12:22:58 * avdg gets the crazy idea to create a save and make a screenshot external 12:23:12 <[hta]specx> desync as in after the ss has been taken, it briefly shows a red error box but then returns quickly to main menu (error msg is unreadable since its displayed to short) 12:23:36 <Rubidium> [hta]specx: so it's the connection lost error 12:24:14 <Rubidium> which is due to your client not reacting for more than ~10 seconds 12:24:17 <[hta]specx> autosave to unique files, then create ss from each file 12:24:27 <[hta]specx> seems sensible solution 12:24:40 <Rubidium> and nope... there's not way to make the screenshot significantly faster 12:25:26 <Rubidium> except dumping a raw screenshot to memory first, but I given the time it takes for you the map is quite big and it probably won't fit in memory that well 12:27:46 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:4178:f707:97e8:3c94] has joined #openttd 12:29:33 <dihedral> Rubidium, ./openttd -g <save> --screenshot ^^ 12:30:17 <[hta]specx> and that in a script 12:31:11 <[hta]specx> so the plan is to make autosave save game each 5 seconds, then generate screenshot of each savegame then process screenshot 12:31:49 <[hta]specx> dihedral: that command is a cmdline command to create ss from savegame? 12:33:08 <dihedral> [hta]specx, nope, that was a hint for a funny idea for a commandline option 12:33:26 <dihedral> it was more to bee understood as a joke, but you could patch your client for it to do that, yes 12:33:39 <dihedral> and once you have done that, let us see the patch ^^ 12:33:58 *** Zahl [~Zahl@frbg-4d0289a7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:33:58 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 12:35:25 <planetmaker> dihedral, then I rather prefer our method where the server itself creates the screenshots. 12:35:35 <planetmaker> Traffic is significantly lower, and players have to wait less 12:35:55 <dihedral> planetmaker, we are talking about giant screenshots ;-) 12:35:58 <dihedral> for a bunch of saves 12:36:04 <planetmaker> :-D 12:36:04 <dihedral> i.e. save every 5 mins 12:36:15 <dihedral> then you could script a for loop to make the screenshots 12:36:24 <[hta]specx> serialize current state (clone), bump to other thread which saves it 12:36:31 <dihedral> however, you'd probably run out of disk space, unless you save do /dev/null 12:36:33 <planetmaker> yeah... stay connected and autosave. Have a separate client process that autosave 12:36:44 <planetmaker> otherwise you'll download the map again and again 12:37:02 <planetmaker> as a client won't remain connected during giant screenshot 12:37:19 <dihedral> he experienced that one already :-D 12:37:28 <[hta]specx> with a seperate thread processing a clone of the gamestate, this can be solved theoretically? 12:38:03 <[hta]specx> question will then be how much time it takes to clone the gamestate 12:38:40 <[hta]specx> being the time to make a savegame without the disk IO 12:38:46 <planetmaker> [hta]specx, easier to just run another instance which loads the save and creates the screenshot 12:38:53 <planetmaker> nothing new there. Proven to work 12:39:27 <Rubidium> [hta]specx: enable autosave and observe the "lag" at the begin of each month. That's the time it takes to make the game state clone. The rest goes into compressing and writing the game's state 12:39:47 <[hta]specx> yea thats usually about a second 12:39:58 <planetmaker> depends upon map size ;-) 12:40:08 <[hta]specx> so true 12:40:10 <planetmaker> and vehicle count 12:40:51 <[hta]specx> but autosave replaces prev instance, doesnt it? 12:41:14 <Rubidium> not necessarily; it depends on the settings 12:42:23 *** Tennel [~Tennel@port-ip-213-211-212-60.reverse.mdcc-fun.de] has joined #openttd 12:43:04 <[hta]specx> omg 12:43:21 <[hta]specx> reinstalled openttd now with opengfx 12:43:26 <[hta]specx> that mousebutton is just awesome 12:43:31 <planetmaker> hm? 12:43:34 <[hta]specx> mouseicon 12:43:43 <planetmaker> joke or honest? 12:44:10 <[hta]specx> honest! 12:44:13 <planetmaker> :-) 12:44:24 <[hta]specx> 1: its darkyellow, finally contrasts good 12:44:32 <[hta]specx> 2: it has a normal size 12:44:50 <[hta]specx> 3: it has normal orientation (so you dont have to click just 3 pixels offset 12:45:18 <dihedral> the buttons are rather big enough to be able to safely ignore 3px offset ;-) 12:45:30 <planetmaker> you should become OpenGFX' marketing manager ;-) 12:45:55 <peter1138> 3 pixel offset? 12:47:01 <[hta]specx> not the button i mean the mousecursor 12:47:21 <[hta]specx> yea, somehow I can click more accurate with new cursor 12:48:06 <[hta]specx> when not having played ottd for a while, first 50 clicks on small buttons mostly misses 12:48:11 <planetmaker> glad to hear. If I can make a guess it was Zephyris who drew it, but I'm not sure 12:48:28 <dihedral> ... what a beautiful mind ^^ 12:48:42 <planetmaker> But if you have issues with opengfx, please feel free to report them :-) 12:49:12 <[hta]specx> mostly positive 'issues' 12:50:09 <planetmaker> We like to hear about those, too, of course 12:52:35 <[hta]specx> only monthly autosave... need to patch it to add more timeframes 12:52:48 <[hta]specx> (monthly/3m/6m/12m) 12:54:14 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:7d11:3385:e2:7c03] has joined #openttd 12:54:17 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:56:53 <Rubidium> [hta]specx: huh? only monthly? 12:57:31 * Rubidium must be missing something 12:58:22 <planetmaker> [hta]specx, You can of course also express your joy by donating to the projects :-) 12:59:56 *** DarkNemesis [~sara@cpc5-sgyl30-2-0-cust61.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:02:36 <Eddi|zuHause> [hta]specx: there is a patch for daily/weekly autosave around 13:03:06 <Eddi|zuHause> but it's fairly trivial to do, just read through src/date.cpp 13:03:31 <Eddi|zuHause> oh... nice rain ;) 13:05:11 *** lolman [~lolman@188-220-38-226.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:09:00 <dihedral> hehe - dump every tick :-P 13:10:26 <[hta]specx> 80MB per 5 sec -> 4hour game 2880 shots * 80 -> 23GB 13:10:46 <[hta]specx> ex savegames, so add 1,2% 13:12:16 <[hta]specx> something tells me for once i wont keep the source files of a project 13:13:15 *** Tennel [~Tennel@port-ip-213-211-212-60.reverse.mdcc-fun.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 13:17:47 <frosch123> hmm, if debian offers me to install kernel 2.6 or 2.6.26-2, what might they mean with 2.6? 13:17:50 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 13:18:25 <blathijs> frosch123: I think that's a metapackage that depends on the latest 2.6 kernel 13:18:58 <frosch123> he, you have a highlight, don't you :) 13:20:41 <blathijs> actually, no, but it would be a good idea :-) 13:21:00 <blathijs> #openttd is just one of those lucky channels with a window < 20 ;-) 13:21:33 <Rubidium> blathijs, in that case: grfcodec and nforenum are released 13:21:54 <blathijs> Rubidium: You did highlight me on that, but I just haven't gotten around to it yet :-) 13:22:20 <Rubidium> ah, good :) 13:30:17 <dihedral> frosch123, metapackage for 'safe' upgrades ;-) 13:31:15 <frosch123> thanks, already picked it :) 13:35:37 <TomyLobo> frosch123 in those cases, aptitude is very informative 13:35:53 <avdg> is it theoretical with the current openttd to record every action? 13:35:58 <TomyLobo> just press enter on a package and it will show you the dependencies somewhere down 13:36:10 <frosch123> well, it is a netinst cd which asked me 13:36:21 <TomyLobo> ah 13:36:26 <TomyLobo> well that sucks ^^ 13:36:43 <Rubidium> avdg: depending on what you mean by action... yes or no 13:36:53 <avdg> actions ingame 13:36:56 <Rubidium> if it includes mouse movement and the likes, then no 13:37:07 <avdg> nope thats too far :p 13:37:16 <Rubidium> if it is only the commands, then yes 13:37:43 <avdg> so stuff like recorders should be possible 13:38:09 <frosch123> if you want to replay you are tied to a specific version 13:39:43 <avdg> I'm actually wondered how the tutorials worked in the classic ttd 13:40:14 <frosch123> afaik recorded mousemovement, which breaks if the buttons get rearranged 13:40:31 <avdg> lol 13:40:43 <Rubidium> changing some settings broke the tutorials IIRC 13:40:54 <glx> frosch123: and if resolution is different... 13:41:39 <avdg> well, if you know the location to put your mouse on, then it will still work :p 13:41:48 <glx> RTL can have nice effects too I think 13:43:57 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 13:49:45 <dihedral> if you can get the position of the button and move the mouse to coordinates you get back..... 13:49:52 <dihedral> however - who wants tutorials? 13:50:07 <dihedral> besides - the wiki is full of tutorials 13:50:13 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:4178:f707:97e8:3c94] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:50:29 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:4178:f707:97e8:3c94] has joined #openttd 13:52:35 <avdg> well, I experience that many new players are too lazy for the wiki 13:52:59 <frosch123> but the wiki tuturial is hard to understand... it uses original graphics while most newbies use ogfx :p 13:55:34 <avdg> well, create a tutorial then without mouse :p 13:55:49 <avdg> if you want to record actions 13:56:06 <avdg> flashy icons 13:57:28 <dihedral> avdg, do you remember people playing c&c or starcraft scrolling the map with the mouse all the time? 13:57:48 <avdg> no idea 13:57:55 <dihedral> once you see someone doing that, you do not want to play those games against them, as they are way too slow 13:57:58 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 13:58:03 <dihedral> same goes with being 'lazy' reading docs 13:58:25 <dihedral> if someone wants to play a game and cannot spend some time understanding the game and how to play, they are not worth investing the time into them 13:58:39 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-29-114-124.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:58:47 <avdg> yeah, I know that problem 13:59:44 <avdg> the current Idea that I have is a window with short tutorials 13:59:54 <avdg> showing the players how to build a simple network 14:01:30 <avdg> but I'm just explowering openttd internal atm 14:03:38 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:04:32 <Ammler> frosch123: the german tut is with ogfx :-) 14:04:54 <Ammler> but is there really such a bit diff? 14:05:00 <Ammler> big* 14:09:34 <dihedral> Ammler, he was making fun ;-) 14:09:38 <dihedral> and not of ogfx ;-) 14:10:04 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 14:10:45 <Ammler> well, we changed the info toolbar button because of that already 14:14:05 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 14:15:23 <Ammler> frosch123: how again should my Action7 look for the leftside signals? 14:16:06 <frosch123> dihedral: at least two complained about "the tuturial looks totally different, i do not know what to do" 14:16:28 <frosch123> Ammler: the way it is most useless 14:17:22 <frosch123> iirc signals are only on the right, if both "signals on driving side" and "driving on the right" is set 14:17:35 <frosch123> in the three other cases they are on the left 14:17:52 <dihedral> frosch123, even more a reason to not include any screenshots in the tutorial :-P 14:18:04 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 14:18:26 <Ammler> semaphores look indeed strange on leftside traffic 14:18:48 <Ammler> train drives through 14:19:08 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:19:50 <Ammler> hmm, no 14:20:00 <avdg> hmm I found another flickering button 14:20:02 <Ammler> that is on rightside traffic, is that right? 14:20:36 <Ammler> the flags need to go _in_ tracks? 14:20:45 * avdg makes a bugreport 14:21:46 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-29-114-124.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:23:40 <avdg> hmm created already a patch to open a dropdown with a scroll (half year ago) 14:23:48 <avdg> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/3644?string=scroll&project=1&search_name=&type[0]=&sev[0]=&pri[0]=&due[0]=&reported[0]=&cat[0]=&status[0]=open&percent[0]=&opened=&dev=&closed=&duedatefrom=&duedateto=&changedfrom=&changedto=&openedfrom=&openedto=&closedfrom=&closedto= 14:24:28 <frosch123> Ammler: the flags point away from the track 14:26:25 <avdg> k, bugreport: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/4043 14:27:13 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19E0A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:29:07 <Belugas> hello 14:37:21 <dihedral> hello Belugas 14:37:54 <Belugas> dihedral! 14:39:32 <avdg> hmm I can even conclude that almost every button is buggy 14:47:12 <dihedral> how come? 14:47:26 <avdg> keep the button pressed 14:47:39 <avdg> I don't know if thats intented 14:48:00 <dihedral> i am not going to enter the game to see what happens when i try to keep a button pressed, perhaps you'd like to express what happens 14:48:29 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.183.241] has joined #openttd 14:48:31 <avdg> the button goes up, even if you keep the button pressed 14:48:48 <avdg> I made already a bugreport for the scroll buttons 14:55:19 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.153.200] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:59:22 <thvdburgt> docs/landscape_grid.html says 14:59:41 <thvdburgt> : Six attributes hold the information about a tile , shouldn't this be 8? 15:00:17 <thvdburgt> as landscape.html says: "Eight attributes (counting "type_height") hold the informations about a tile." 15:00:27 <SmatZ> avdg: about your bugreport (glitchy scrollbar buttons), I noticed it few days ago and tried to find the revision when it changed, but it changed quite long time ago 15:00:41 <avdg> yeah 15:00:57 <avdg> I'm making a comment about the buttons too 15:01:09 <avdg> because I think the whole event call 'smells' 15:01:20 <SmatZ> it's just interesting we both noticed in few days apart from each other after a long time when it appeared 15:01:51 <avdg> I detected it only a houre ago :p 15:01:55 <SmatZ> :) 15:01:59 <avdg> and I found nothing on the bugreport 15:02:22 <avdg> only that feature that I wanted to implement :p 15:02:39 <SmatZ> :) 15:03:25 <avdg> k, posted 15:05:37 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-88-117.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 15:17:54 *** KopjeKoffie [5457bc21@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 15:29:12 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.20.128] has joined #openttd 15:36:18 <Ammler> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action5 <-- does type 4 also support bit7 (offset) or is that only 14,15,16? 15:36:52 <Rubidium> it doesn't 15:37:58 <Ammler> then I can't just replace semaphores 15:38:31 <Ammler> hmm 15:43:34 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:44:14 *** George is now known as Guest734 15:44:18 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 15:51:04 *** Guest734 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:53:22 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.20.128] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:53:33 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 16:06:25 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 16:11:39 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:22:58 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-89-137-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:26:07 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:27:58 *** oskari892 [~oskari89@212-149-174-53.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:33:24 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:34:17 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 16:35:59 *** George is now known as Guest737 16:36:03 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 16:40:11 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:42:23 *** Guest737 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:49:46 <TomyLobo> small bug: 16:50:41 <TomyLobo> trains that are very old go service even if breakdowns are disabled and "Disable servicing when breakdowns set to none" is set to on 16:54:04 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:54:35 <SmatZ> TomyLobo: do you have autoreplace set for them? 16:54:44 <SmatZ> or autorenew enabled 16:55:06 *** rtypo [rtypo@pc54.clicknet.iasi.rdsnet.ro] has joined #openttd 16:55:08 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-88-117.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:00:41 *** TheMask96 [martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:04:51 *** George is now known as Guest744 17:04:54 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 17:07:17 *** George is now known as Guest746 17:07:20 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 17:08:43 *** George is now known as Guest747 17:08:47 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 17:11:51 *** Guest744 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:14:01 *** Guest746 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:15:22 <TomyLobo> SmatZ nope 17:15:31 <TomyLobo> that's the funny thing about it ^^ 17:15:36 *** Guest747 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:15:49 <VVG> So, without actually understating, what's what in code, i'm trying to update the virtual time system from improved timetables patch to current revision and i got stuck. Timetable, when using date as A/D values, behaves ok, but when i convert it to virtual time, A/D times kinda changes randomly and i can't figure why. :( 17:16:50 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Quit: PACKET_CLIENT_QUIT] 17:17:02 <Rubidium> wrong conversion factor? 17:19:18 <Yexo> TomyLobo: please create a report at bugs.openttd.org and include the savegame 17:21:43 <VVG> it converts, but when showing HHMM values, the times updates too often, even if vehicle is just staying. Is that due to conversion being wrong? 17:22:45 <Rubidium> VVG: that sounds like the most credible conclusion I can make given the information 17:24:05 <VVG> I recall you mentioned you have mercurial queues from original author. Can you share them? It's hard to figure what parts i want from one big diff. 17:25:09 *** sparr [~sparr@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:26:57 <Rubidium> http://devs.openttd.org/~rubidium/ITiM_2009-11-20.bundle.gz 17:27:41 <VVG> thx 17:29:32 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:30:41 <Terkhen> stupid msys 17:35:03 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 17:36:51 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:40:00 <TomyLobo> odd, now they even go servicing after i replaced all of them 17:40:22 <Eddi|zuHause> you are doing something wrong 17:40:36 <TomyLobo> but what? 17:43:00 *** TruePikachu [~chris@cpe-67-49-42-88.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 17:43:51 <TruePikachu> @seen xrufuian 17:43:51 <DorpsGek> TruePikachu: xrufuian was last seen in #openttd 17 hours, 15 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <Xrufuian> Sugestion: Use both NARS and UKRS. 17:44:09 <TruePikachu> O_o I didn't do that. Oh well... 17:44:16 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-174-53.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:46:08 <TomyLobo> http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/2696/neutonhorsttransport206.pngtrains are going into the depot for no apparent reason. might they just be looking for an alternate route to avoid the train in front of them? 17:46:16 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r20526 /trunk/src/lang/ (16 files): (log message trimmed) 17:46:16 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:46:16 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: belarusian - 7 changes by KorneySan 17:46:16 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: simplified_chinese - 1 changes by pda1573 17:46:16 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: croatian - 5 changes by VoyagerOne 17:46:18 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: czech - 8 changes by marek995 17:46:18 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: dutch - 4 changes by habell 17:46:20 <TomyLobo> http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/2696/neutonhorsttransport206.png 17:46:45 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:47:00 *** Chillosophy [~fu@82-170-139-109.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:49:33 *** oskari892 [~oskari89@212-149-174-53.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:57:05 *** VVG [~sdfkhksd@85.249.0.40] has quit [] 18:00:03 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-88-117.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 18:00:15 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:03:01 <TruePikachu> Quick question - is there a way to telnet or SSH into the OpenTTD console? 18:03:03 *** VVG [~sdfkhksd@85.249.0.40] has joined #openttd 18:03:09 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:03:14 <TruePikachu> (repeat for VVG) Quick question - is there a way to telnet or SSH into the OpenTTD console? 18:03:53 <Yexo> not directly, but if you start openttd from eg screen you can open screen and use that after logging in again 18:04:06 <VVG> (answer for TruePickachu) no idea 18:04:17 <TruePikachu> No, I mean the in-game console 18:04:48 <frosch123> usually you would use "rcon" 18:05:25 <TomyLobo> TruePikachu there is a dedicated server 18:05:27 <VVG> I checked the mq extension on global settings in TortoiseHG but the patch queue button in repository explorer still greyed out :( 18:05:33 <TomyLobo> why do you need the client console? 18:10:33 <TruePikachu> Never mind, I was going to use it so I don't have to walk across the house to the server to move xrufuian to his own company 18:10:37 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:4178:f707:97e8:3c94] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:10:48 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:4178:f707:97e8:3c94] has joined #openttd 18:10:52 <TruePikachu> I wanted to do it from this SSHing terminal 18:12:39 <TomyLobo> haha laziness 18:13:09 <avdg> lets look at the facts 18:13:25 <avdg> open openttd, open console -> access 18:13:39 <avdg> but you have a big window 18:13:44 <avdg> intro window 18:13:48 <TruePikachu> Well, I don't need it any more 18:13:50 <avdg> and you are not using it at all 18:14:05 <TruePikachu> I'm over at the OpenTTD computer now 18:14:19 <TruePikachu> Xrufuian had joined the game 18:14:28 <avdg> ? 18:14:35 <TruePikachu> I was waiting for him 18:14:53 <avdg> lol, I thought it was a game message 18:15:00 <TruePikachu> Oh, lol 18:15:24 * TruePikachu has joined the game hosted at #openttd on an IRC server :P 18:22:59 <SpComb> is the "Units of cargo delivered" in units / month? 18:26:59 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-29f7e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 18:28:23 <andythenorth> evening 18:28:34 <Wolf01> hi 18:28:45 <avdg> hi 18:28:52 <Wolf01> hello Zuu 18:29:16 <Zuu> Hello Wolf01 18:29:19 <Belugas> evening? not yet, but hello anyway 18:29:27 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: context? 18:29:49 <Wolf01> graphs maybe 18:30:22 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: i can guess dozens of these things... that's why i ask. 18:31:05 <Wolf01> ah, I referred only to the string as appear in game :P 18:31:54 <Eddi|zuHause> the graphs are usually in quartals, not months 18:32:39 <Wolf01> so only SpComb could answer :P 18:35:31 <Wolf01> would be cool to have time-(de)compression in graphs associated to window stretching, when you enlarge the window you can see all the months, when you make the window tight you see quarters/semesters/full years 18:38:22 <Alberth> hello Belugas 18:39:02 <Belugas> hello to you too Alberth :) 18:41:14 <SpComb> Eddi|zuHause: the graph 18:41:31 <SpComb> so it's units / quarter? 18:41:36 <SpComb> the legend was a bit unclear 19:02:42 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 19:13:59 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-174-53.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:24:59 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-88-117.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:27:50 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 19:27:50 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [] 19:31:36 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-29-114-124.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:36:07 <Belugas> note: don't try to run a debit transaction if pinpad has no DUKPT key injected... 19:36:22 *** rtypo [rtypo@pc54.clicknet.iasi.rdsnet.ro] has quit [] 19:38:10 <Alberth> for some time, I read 'DUPKEY' :) 19:39:30 <Belugas> quite not exactly the same thing :D 19:39:41 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-29-114-124.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:42:52 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19E0A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:44:37 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe34dc00-202.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 19:49:55 *** Paolo_Benini [bubacus@r190-135-17-58.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #openttd 19:52:57 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r20527 /trunk/src/water_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: move the flood code and remove some redundant checks 19:54:11 *** Sacro [~ben@cpc2-mfld9-0-0-cust880.13-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:54:18 *** darkomen [4dc2a7fb@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 19:54:35 *** Paolo_Benini [bubacus@r190-135-17-58.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has left #openttd [] 19:54:58 *** Sacro [~ben@cpc2-mfld9-0-0-cust880.13-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:02:09 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 20:07:53 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.41] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:07:54 *** Guest702 [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:25:39 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:26:50 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 20:28:31 <Wolf01> 'night 20:28:38 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host176-238-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:31:44 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:4178:f707:97e8:3c94] has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 20:31:48 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:4178:f707:97e8:3c94] has joined #openttd 20:37:28 <SmatZ> http://nopaste.info/3980bcf75d.html hmm running simple python programs under valgrind gives tons of errors 20:37:43 <SmatZ> and of course, the behaviour of the script changes... 20:41:04 <frosch123> hmm, i guess your name must be smatz if you run python in valgrind :) 20:42:21 <Alberth> I'd expect the malloc system to be intertwined with the reference system, and some objects are indeed never freed 20:42:30 <Alberth> such as None, and the small integers 20:42:50 <Alberth> and the imported modules :) 20:43:44 <SmatZ> frosch123: hehe :) 20:46:35 <SmatZ> Alberth: I don't know what object is free'd there (yet), but it irritates me :) 20:52:36 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.20.128] has joined #openttd 21:00:24 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:04:42 *** PhoenixII [ralph@f234099.upc-f.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:06:13 *** rtypo [rtypo@pc54.clicknet.iasi.rdsnet.ro] has joined #openttd 21:10:07 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:13:45 <darkomen> Hi all. 21:13:51 <SmatZ> hello 21:14:00 <darkomen> SmatZ, can i PM you? 21:16:01 <SmatZ> darkomen: yes, but I don't know if I will be helpful in any way :) 21:16:15 <SmatZ> if you have a question, just ask here, someone might answer 21:16:23 <darkomen> then me, i know that you will ;) 21:20:50 *** GT [~GT@rt-scb-9f41.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 21:22:50 <GT> The grebs (http://thegrebs.com/irc/openttd-2010.html) seemed to have stopped logging #openttd, anyone know an alternative logger? 21:23:20 <andythenorth> http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd 21:23:52 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@93.21.11.37] has joined #openttd 21:24:18 <GT> andy, thnx 21:29:38 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.20.128] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:35:12 *** DarkNemesis [~sara@19NAABBET.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 21:37:46 *** darkomen [4dc2a7fb@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 21:40:43 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 21:41:44 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f68d8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:43:21 *** Chillosophy [~fu@82-170-139-109.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 21:45:35 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:46:53 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r20528 /trunk/src/saveload/afterload.cpp: -Fix: in old savegames aircraft can have an invalid state 21:48:27 <planetmaker> hm, can I, as player, decide to disband my company? 21:48:39 <VVG> http://rapidshare.com/files/413562069/vtrltmsstm-20523.patch This is what i have after trying to update the virtual time system from ITiM patch. The conversion of arrival/departure values is broken and i don't understand why. advice will be appreciated 21:49:30 <planetmaker> I think not... right? 21:49:49 <Yexo> planetmaker: no 21:49:59 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-29-114-124.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 21:50:00 <Yexo> that is why some goalservers have a !resetme command 21:50:07 <planetmaker> ok 21:50:10 <VVG> HHMM version from there is what feels right to me, but it isnt :( 21:51:10 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r20529 /trunk/src/ (aircraft_cmd.cpp station_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: simplify UpdateAirplanesOnNewStation by removing code for situations that don't happen 21:58:26 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 21:59:03 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:01:30 <Ammler> planetmaker: you can sell every vehicle and it will go, if the autoclean setting is made 22:02:01 <Ammler> or reset the pw does also on many servers reset the company 22:04:22 <Rubidium> VVG: rapid share is by any means not a rapid way of downloading such files 22:11:00 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-255-191.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 22:11:32 <VVG> advice on something better than rapidshare is welcome too :) 22:13:48 <TomyLobo> Yexo that sounds like cutting down on airport security for cost efficiency :) 22:14:06 <Yexo> TomyLobo: it isn't 22:14:45 <TomyLobo> not one of those "what could possibly go wrong" situations? :) 22:15:19 <Yexo> no, it's a "this is impossible to happen" situation 22:15:37 <TomyLobo> plane below the map etc? 22:15:48 <Yexo> it's like if I ask you a number between 1 and 5, check that the number is really between 1 and 5 and then later on do special things when you said 10 22:15:58 <Yexo> but I _known_ you didn't say 10 because I already checked for that 22:16:20 <TomyLobo> ah, that kind 22:16:48 <Rubidium> VVG: don't see something horribly wrong, but then it's quite huge and uses some horrid code 22:17:00 <Yexo> or in this case: special code to update an aircraft state when you remove an airport and then rebuild it while an aircraft was taking off, but it's impossible to remove an airport while an aircraft is taking off 22:17:28 <TomyLobo> but that'd be fun! 22:17:43 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@93.21.11.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:17:52 <TomyLobo> almost as fun as removing it while it's landing 22:17:58 <TomyLobo> fireworks \o/ 22:18:02 <Yexo> another situation that is no longer possible :) 22:18:05 <Yexo> it was in old versions though 22:18:11 <Yexo> at least in 0.4 22:18:23 <Yexo> that's what r20528 was for 22:18:33 <TomyLobo> sounds like something to assert though, just in case :) 22:18:40 <Yexo> there is an assert :) 22:18:40 <TomyLobo> asserts are free in release mode, anyway 22:23:02 <TomyLobo> assert(false); 22:26:14 <VVG> Rubidium: When A/D times are set to show as dates, they are pretty much set and stay the same as long as needed. When they are shown in virtual time, they change back and forth, and too often 22:27:15 <Rubidium> maybe the smaller granularity makes it do that? 22:28:16 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-88-117.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 22:33:40 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r20530 /trunk/src/vehicle_cmd.cpp: -Cleanup (r13507): p2 bit 0 for CmdBUildRailVehicle is no longer valid so don't use it 22:34:04 <VVG> Rubidium: It behaves ok in rev17268, which is the rev diff i copied those bits of code from is made against. 22:34:43 <Yexo> that should've been r13508 22:37:36 <VVG> Rubidium: i don't quite get what you mean by granularity here 22:39:37 <Rubidium> if you show the speed (in real numbers) of something in km/h it would change much less often than when you show it in mm/h, because the granularity (preciseness) of the latter is much higher 22:40:25 <TomyLobo> how many bytes is a tile? 22:43:15 <Rubidium> too 22:43:56 <Rubidium> though make an educated guess on the source code :) 22:46:34 <TomyLobo> sizeof(Tile)? :) 22:48:09 <VVG> Rubidium: Well, i don't know how to check if that's is what causing misbehavior :( 22:50:08 <Rubidium> VVG: neither do I 22:53:50 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-29-114-124.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:57:58 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.41] has joined #openttd 23:01:14 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:08:08 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-88-117.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:10:16 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: A key, command, or action that tells the system to return to a previous state or stop a process.] 23:10:55 *** Jacob1029Old [~jacob1029@cpc2-nwrk1-0-0-cust672.12-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 23:11:28 <Jacob1029Old> Hmm,slightly large channel :| 23:13:27 <Jacob1029Old> Anyway,I've been playing openttd for a while now. Just play online with mates and got the hang of it,I do great intill people start using airports,then I loose because when i try to use planes they dont stay profitable. 23:13:36 <Jacob1029Old> Whats the best way to make and keep a plane profitable? 23:14:45 <avdg> long distance and having the best between speed and load I guess 23:15:07 <avdg> speed -> more profitable because you're cargo reach faster 23:15:21 <avdg> bigger load -> more load, more money 23:15:53 <Jacob1029Old> Well,i put 737's and 747's on the greatest length routes possible.And they do well for a year,but then just fail. 23:16:07 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20531 /trunk/src/ (7 files): -Codechange: unify quite a bit of the vehicle building commands 23:16:23 <avdg> also the runningcost are important 23:16:43 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-29f7e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:17:18 <Rubidium> station ratings are important as well (and so is full loading at the busiest side) 23:17:19 <Jacob1029Old> Yup,others are doing the same at pretty much the same distance with the same planes but they get 100K a flight:S 23:19:40 <Yexo> do you use full load orders? 23:21:15 <Jacob1029Old> Yes 23:22:40 <Yexo> do you have a savegame (or currently active network game) showing the problem? 23:22:53 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 23:23:16 <Jacob1029Old> Im on mp atm 23:23:35 <Jacob1029Old> I called in all planes, and got 2 737s doing cross country hops. 23:23:42 <Jacob1029Old> Their staying in profit since i built a new airport 23:23:55 <Yexo> which server are you playing on? 23:24:33 <Jacob1029Old> RoROpenTTD 23:24:44 <Jacob1029Old> I think buddy set the pass as yourmom 23:24:53 <Jacob1029Old> My company pass is transport 23:25:18 <Yexo> version r19891M, right? 23:25:29 <planetmaker> :-D 23:25:30 <Yexo> not going to join a modified server, too much work 23:25:49 *** fmauNeko [~fmauneko@237.54.71-86.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 23:25:55 <Jacob1029Old> Yes that version 23:28:39 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:31:48 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19E0A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:40:51 <Jacob1029Old> Hmm 23:40:54 <Jacob1029Old> seemed to of fixed it 23:41:04 <Jacob1029Old> 1.4 mill on a 747 half way through the year 23:41:14 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has left #openttd [] 23:41:42 *** dotwaffle [~dotwaffle@2a00:14f0:0:aaaa:230:48ff:fe32:4fd0] has joined #openttd 23:44:54 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.74.94] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 23:47:14 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:49:13 *** GT [~GT@rt-scb-9f41.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #openttd [] 23:53:35 *** Biolunar [Mahdi@blfd-4db0e7bf.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [] 23:55:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20532 /trunk/src/ (8 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: unify selling of vehicles a bit