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00:10:56 *** Lakie [~Lakie@109.176.224.135] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 00:11:29 *** supermop_ [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 00:15:02 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-77-53.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:17:36 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFDFC9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:18:56 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-122-134.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:21:57 <TrueBrain> epic work getting a GS online Zuu, tnx a lot for that :D 00:21:59 <TrueBrain> good posts :) 00:22:18 <Zuu> It was just a quick GS I wrote tonight 00:22:36 <TrueBrain> a begin is all that is needed :) 00:22:38 <Zuu> Though, took me several days to come up with an idea worth implementing. 00:22:43 <TrueBrain> off to bed, night :) 00:22:47 * Zuu too 00:22:53 <Zuu> night 00:25:23 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFDFC9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:26:07 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:26:29 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 00:30:23 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-099-121.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:33:50 *** BladeDrake [~BladeDrak@202.172.109.19] has joined #openttd 00:34:21 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:34:33 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-099-121.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 00:50:44 *** Elukka [~Elukka@78-27-84-248.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 00:53:35 *** DDR [~chatzilla@142.179.78.88] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:56:10 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:57:13 *** BladeDrake [~BladeDrak@202.172.109.19] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:09:12 *** DDR [~chatzilla@142.179.78.88] has joined #openttd 01:09:47 *** MinchinWeb [~6034f4d5@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 01:16:30 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-099-121.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 01:24:26 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFDFC9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:25:53 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFDFC9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:26:06 *** MinchinWeb [~6034f4d5@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:29:27 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-122-134.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 01:34:03 *** MinchinWeb [~6034f4d5@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 01:38:55 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-122-134.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:22:46 *** dlr365 [~Doug@d142-59-83-184.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 02:29:28 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:32:57 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 03:02:55 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-82-31-3-251.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 03:15:42 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-82-31-3-251.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 03:17:09 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-82-31-3-251.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 03:54:34 <Mast3rPlan> What does station too spread out mean? 03:56:25 <chris_0076> It means you station is too spread out. 03:56:27 <chris_0076> your* 03:57:12 <chris_0076> as in you are trying to place the station over too large of an area 03:59:16 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-82-31-3-251.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 04:10:01 *** Elu [~Elukka@78-27-84-248.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 04:15:17 *** Elukka [~Elukka@78-27-84-248.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:20:30 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:68d3:5e1:4565:86a9] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:44:12 *** pjpe [ae5b52e7@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 05:18:42 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [] 05:18:42 *** MinchinWeb [~6034f4d5@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:23:05 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-088-076-111-195.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 05:28:09 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-088-076-109-225.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:42:07 *** Mast3rPlan [~root@198.81-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 05:51:49 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B73F1D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:52:06 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B731F5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:17:21 *** dlr365 [~Doug@d142-59-83-184.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:29:00 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0a9627.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:48:48 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@ip-86-49-59-25.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 06:48:59 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@ip-86-49-59-25.net.upcbroadband.cz] has left #openttd [] 07:00:16 *** JVassie [~James@2.27.86.228] has joined #openttd 07:19:47 *** JVassie [~James@2.27.86.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:22:37 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.26.172] has joined #openttd 07:25:00 *** sla_ro|vista [slaco@95.76.26.172] has joined #openttd 07:26:27 *** supermop_ [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop_] 07:30:42 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.26.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:30:42 *** ThorB [~Twofish@box80-64-205-146.static.sdsl.no] has joined #openttd 07:30:46 *** ThorB [~Twofish@box80-64-205-146.static.sdsl.no] has left #openttd [] 07:31:11 *** Markavian [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has joined #openttd 07:45:48 *** pjpe [ae5b52e7@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 07:47:03 *** pjpe [ae5b52e7@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 07:47:35 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has joined #openttd 07:54:47 *** Markavian [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:06:12 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19BE2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:16:36 *** TomyLobo [~foo@p4FC2302B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:48:18 *** DDR [~chatzilla@142.179.78.88] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 8.0/20111115183541]] 08:50:35 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-021-024.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 09:23:53 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 09:25:30 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:36:14 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:39:52 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has joined #openttd 09:42:03 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19BE2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:43:16 *** John [02c103be@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 09:43:24 <John> hi again 09:44:00 <John> i dont understand why 30 passengers stay in the station 09:44:03 <John> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/31/screenrxv.png/ 09:44:36 <John> they wont go away 09:44:49 <John> it seems that dont have a destination 09:46:04 <John> oh, i'm using cargodist, of course 09:46:08 <planetmaker> cargos never have a destination. You just need to transport it to a station which accepts it. 09:46:57 <planetmaker> In that case: find the cargodist thread, attach the savegame and mention the exact version you play and explain your issue. 09:47:12 <planetmaker> screenshots are not much helpful in finding that kind of issues. 09:47:38 <John> ok, thanks 09:47:39 <John> ill do it 09:48:31 *** John [02c103be@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 09:51:10 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 09:58:07 *** pjpe [ae5b52e7@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 09:58:11 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=986407#p986407 <-- is it really *that* hard to attach a savegame to a question? 09:58:26 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-122-134.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 09:58:27 <planetmaker> Especially when he obviously was told already that it would be much more helpful? 10:01:18 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:01:21 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 10:23:53 *** kleinerdrache [~mn@188-22-72-158.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 10:26:13 <kleinerdrache> is there a german channel too? 10:27:01 <Alberth> not that we are aware of 10:27:54 <kleinerdrache> ok, so i try in english 10:28:16 <kleinerdrache> is there a way to build all trains to magnetic trains (I have everything electric trains now). 10:29:41 <planetmaker> you cannot convert trains to another incompatible track type 10:31:05 <kleinerdrache> planetmaker, so i could send them all to the depots and convert everything, also the trains, and work this way? 10:31:07 <planetmaker> you *might* want to try the "universal track type" NewGRF. It allows you to autoreplace engines first to the "universal" type, then convert all tracks and depots. And then autoreplace the engines and wagons to the final type 10:31:09 <planetmaker> but... 10:31:26 <planetmaker> ... newgrfs might disagree that there's an autorefit path :-) 10:32:16 <kleinerdrache> so, in a normal game there will always be both at the end? 10:32:22 <planetmaker> kleinerdrache, only when you use something like the universal track type. By default you cannot convert an engine or wagon to something incompatible 10:33:26 <kleinerdrache> ok, thanks 10:34:32 <planetmaker> kleinerdrache, there's a German forum, though: tt-ms.de 10:42:36 *** perk11 [~perk11@188.32.29.238] has joined #openttd 10:49:47 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-088-076-111-195.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:53:59 *** perk11 [~perk11@188.32.29.238] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 11:14:26 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-088-076-111-195.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 11:18:40 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19BE2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:48:51 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-82-31-3-251.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 12:02:26 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 12:03:49 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-2-98.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 12:10:06 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-179-131.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:11:05 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-142-240.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 12:11:08 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 12:12:11 *** Rens [4da3a0fc@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 12:12:39 <Rens> Hi guys, could someone help me with decoding a grf? 12:12:45 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:13:00 <planetmaker> @topic get -3 12:13:00 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: Don't ask to ask, just ask 12:13:10 <Noldo> did you find the tool? 12:13:49 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-2-98.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:13:52 <Rens> yeah I found the tool, but d'n know where to drop it and when I run de .exe it says is misses a .dll or something 12:17:15 <planetmaker> then you fix it or something 12:17:24 <planetmaker> or read the readme or something 12:17:29 <planetmaker> or both 12:17:57 <Rens> the read me says 'Copy it into your TTD directory' 12:18:14 <Rens> So i put it in my Nightly file on my HD. 12:18:52 <Rens> Maybe the .dll is just missing in my computer or some thing? I tried the wizard but he could locate my ttd folder on my HD 12:20:57 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23646 /trunk/ (5 files in 5 dirs): -Fix [FS#4901]: rescan the Game Scripts when done downloading one. 12:20:59 <planetmaker> Rens, you should start with stating what programme you talk of, what version thereof, ... 12:21:04 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23647 /trunk/src/console_cmds.cpp: -Add: add rescan_game as console command (patch by Xaroth) 12:21:11 <Alberth> euhm, you are trying to decode a grf with ttd? 12:21:29 <planetmaker> ^^ sounds all very unclear of what you did, do or did try, Rens 12:21:33 <Alberth> what do you expect as output? 12:21:52 <planetmaker> and what did you give as input or how did you start / call the programme? 12:21:57 <Rens> yeah I need to decode the Av8 12:22:07 <TrueBrain> 5 files?! Holy crap, that can't be right ... 12:22:08 <Alberth> and what .dll are you missing? :) 12:22:09 <planetmaker> yeah, I need more patience 12:22:28 <planetmaker> and no, you don't need to decode av8 ;-) 12:22:34 <planetmaker> that's just imaginary needs :-P 12:23:25 <Alberth> Rens: what do you hope to achieve by decoding Av8 ? 12:23:36 <Rens> I'm talking about the nightly r199946 I nee file libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll 12:23:48 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23648 /trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): -Revert (r23646): partial revert; nobody has to know about my local changes and attempts 12:23:56 <Xaroth> TrueBrain: lol 12:24:25 <Alberth> nightly 199946 ? wow, that's about 180,000 revisions ahead of openttd 12:24:30 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:24:39 <Alberth> doing some time traveling lately? :) 12:24:49 <Rens> I am a painter of the WAS, and we have permission to youse some stuff from pikkaBrid, but I just neet to decode it for the sprites 12:25:14 <Xaroth> Alberth: quick, yoink his delorean 12:25:17 <Rens> Aperently not, I'm playing an complete other version of Openttd 12:26:02 <Alberth> Rens: you cannot use ttd for decoding a grf, you need grfcodec for that, or grf2hyml 12:26:08 <Alberth> *grf2html 12:26:47 <Rens> i have a grfcodec, but it need to be placed in a ttd file 12:27:04 <planetmaker> which grfcodec do you have? 12:27:08 <Rens> And it is obviously not working 12:27:28 <planetmaker> sounds to me like you got a version from the stone age at least 12:27:47 <Rens> grfcodec 5.3.1. windoews 32 bit 12:28:07 <TrueBrain> latest grfcodec is 5.1.3 12:28:15 <Rens> yeah thats trough, but i'm using a cb1.0.5. or somting 12:28:38 <Rens> oow sorry 5.1.3, verry stupid 12:28:51 <TrueBrain> if you tell versions, make sure you are correct ;) It is kinda important :D:D :) 12:29:32 <Rens> OpenTTD cb 1.0.5/1.0 RC3 12:29:48 <planetmaker> ehm... ? 12:29:53 <planetmaker> what kind of version is that? 12:30:14 <planetmaker> And.... where does that matter when you develop / de-compile NewGRFs? 12:30:32 <Rens> I thought it was a special version with overloading passengers and stuff like that but i'm not sure 12:30:34 <planetmaker> Have you taken a single look at grfcodec's readme? 12:30:57 <planetmaker> it's nothing which you click on and it runs 12:31:01 <planetmaker> you need the command line 12:31:28 <planetmaker> it has no graphical interface 12:31:47 <Rens> just the command line of my windows system? 12:31:52 <Alberth> yep 12:32:05 <Rens> ok, what do I have to do 12:32:24 <planetmaker> read the enclosed readme 12:34:07 <Alberth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/grfcodec/repository/entry/docs/grfcodec.txt 12:34:29 <Alberth> it says "Copy it into your TTD directory", but I don't see why it says that 12:34:50 <Alberth> hmm, maybe libraries that it needs? 12:34:57 <planetmaker> hysterical raisins probably 12:35:17 <planetmaker> my grfcodec certainly is not there. I don't have TTD installed... 12:35:21 <Rens> CMD says 'grfcodec isn't found' 12:35:26 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:35:26 <Rens> But then in dutch 12:35:40 <planetmaker> yes, it's not in your search path... 12:36:16 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23649 /trunk/src/saveload/game_sl.cpp: -Fix [FS#4905) (r23634): loading a savegame with an empty GSTR chunk caused assert 12:36:35 <Alberth> give it a full path, like c:\full\path\to\the\grfcodec\executable\grfcodec.exe 12:36:36 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 12:36:49 <Rens> ahh ok 12:37:16 *** sla_ro|vista [slaco@95.76.26.172] has quit [Quit: Sla Mutant Co-Op for Renegade - coming back soon] 12:37:27 <Rens> But it says'C;\users\Rens but it's located on my C\program files 12:37:38 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-82-31-3-251.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 12:37:48 <Alberth> if you have spaces in your path, use double quotes around it 12:39:16 <Alberth> as in "c:\program files\to\grfcodec.exe" 12:39:29 <planetmaker> hm, good point though. The enclosed readme is in need of some minor updates... 12:40:25 <Rens> So I have to put " after C;\users\Rens and then the C:\Program files? 12:41:04 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 12:41:52 <Xaroth> Rens: put quotes about the piece of text you want interpreted as a single piece of text 12:42:03 <Xaroth> so "C:\Program Files\Whatever\Whatever" 12:42:27 <Xaroth> with 2 files, "File Path 1" "File Path 2" 12:42:59 <Rens> ah ok thanks 12:43:16 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 12:43:45 <Rens> what is meant with the "-e"? 12:46:43 <Alberth> it's called an option, and it means to grfcodec "encode this" 12:47:12 <Alberth> for decoding you need -d 12:47:14 <Alberth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/grfcodec/repository/entry/docs/grfcodec.txt 12:47:37 <Rens> I just have to put "C:\Program Files\TTD Nightly\grfcodec.exe" -d "C:\Users\Rens\Documents\OpenTTD\content_download\data\av8" 12:48:17 <Alberth> euhm, a ".grf" at the end? (ie av8.grf) 12:48:28 <Rens> yeah thats a good one 12:48:39 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-82-31-3-251.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 12:50:34 <Rens> same error "progam can not bestarten because libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll is missing 12:50:50 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-prvbrasgw1-fe05dc00-37.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:51:15 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:53:30 <Rens> So I guess i need to find that .dll 12:53:43 <Alberth> would be my guess yes 12:54:00 <Rens> but how? 12:54:28 <Alberth> google seems to suggest it is part of mingw 12:54:56 <Rens> i don't know what mingw is? 12:56:30 <Alberth> it's a unix environment at windows 12:56:45 <Alberth> and since I don't use windows, that's all I know :p 12:56:53 <kais58> it is, libgcc_s is a runtime library(I think) for things built with gcc, so cygwin or mingw would be your best bet 12:57:07 *** fjb|tab is now known as Guest21244 12:57:08 *** Guest21244 [~frank@p5DDFDFC9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:57:08 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFDFC9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:57:32 <Rens> hmm 12:57:46 <Rens> sound hard 12:58:24 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-82-31-3-251.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 12:58:49 <Alberth> well, windows out-of-the-box is not really fitted for doing development work 12:59:26 <Rens> I guess i have to wait for the master coder I guess 13:00:13 <Alberth> do we have such a person for grfcodec? 13:00:33 <Alberth> you just need someone that can talk you through the install issues 13:00:38 <Rens> No the master coder from my own set 13:00:56 <Rens> But that would be an option too 13:01:19 <Alberth> http://wiki.openttd.org/Compiling_on_MinGW explains mingw for building openttd, not sure how useful it is for grfcodec 13:01:40 <Alberth> although I am fairly sure you can compile grfcodec with the same setup too, if you want 13:02:06 <planetmaker> Alberth, you need boost 13:02:22 <planetmaker> but otherwise that suffices 13:02:48 * Alberth just does "yum install boost" then :p 13:03:33 <Rens> thats way to dificult for me 13:05:10 <Alberth> Rens: yeah, windows is very non-helpful here 13:05:43 *** planetmaker is now known as EvilDeityFromLowerSpheres 13:05:49 <Rens> yeah but would Linux be better for it? 13:05:57 *** EvilDeityFromLowerSpheres is now known as planetmaker 13:05:57 <TrueBrain> @kick EvilDeityFromLowerSpheres you? deity? 13:05:57 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Error: EvilDeityFromLowerSpheres is not in #openttd. 13:06:01 <TrueBrain> awh! 13:06:03 <TrueBrain> bad timing :( 13:06:33 <Rens> nee dorpsgek is lekker (no dorpsgek is good) 13:06:52 <TrueBrain> lekker != good :P 13:07:08 <Rens> haha 13:07:59 <Rens> Alberth couldn't you decode the grf for me and send me the prites? 13:08:06 <Alberth> I think Linux is much better yes, but then again, it's the only platform I know really well 13:09:42 *** LordAro [d92b6e2d@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 13:09:51 <LordAro> afternoons 13:09:51 <Alberth> hello lord 13:09:55 <LordAro> been lurking 13:09:58 <LordAro> :) 13:10:15 <LordAro> I'm sure i used grfcodec without mingw ... 13:10:25 <__ln__> http://clientsfromhell.net/post/14269411217/the-screenshot-you-sent-is-all-wrong-it-doesnt 13:10:26 <Rens> But how? 13:10:28 <Alberth> glad you decided to join the party :) 13:10:41 <LordAro> alternatively, that was on unix 13:10:49 <LordAro> gah, damned memory :) 13:11:10 <Rens> So what do i have to do then? 13:11:16 <Alberth> he just needs the right library, I think 13:11:55 *** enr1x [~kiike@62.57.4.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: rebooting] 13:12:20 <planetmaker> haha, TrueBrain :-) 13:12:41 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c181:57e9:8e13:f4cf] has joined #openttd 13:12:45 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:13:27 <LordAro> Rens: i reckon if you follow the mingw tutorial (linked above) to step 6, then run grfcodec in mingw, you should be fine 13:13:40 <planetmaker> Rens, the best idea to obtain the sprites is to actually ask Pikka... if you have permission from him, he might give you the sprites also in a nice for which allows coding 13:14:06 <planetmaker> though... without grfcodec coding will also fail... 13:14:23 *** enr1x [~kiike@62.57.4.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #openttd 13:14:27 <Rens> yeah could be But as far I know we have to decode the .grf 13:14:38 <LordAro> yeah, or just pm Pikka on the forums :) 13:14:53 <Rens> If i can Get the sprites? 13:15:21 <LordAro> yeah 13:15:52 <Rens> Then i will try that 13:16:01 <LordAro> there mihgt also be something here: users.tt-forums.net/pikka/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page#Av8 13:16:04 <LordAro> *might# 13:16:07 <LordAro> **might 13:16:08 <LordAro> :) 13:17:34 <Rens> nope 13:20:12 <Rens> wasn't PikkaBird dutch? 13:20:33 <Rubidium> maybe in a previous live or generation? 13:21:44 *** vargadanis [vargadanis@catv-89-135-23-65.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 13:21:48 <vargadanis> hi hi 13:22:06 <Alberth> hi 13:22:12 <__ln__> no, hu 13:23:17 <vargadanis> I need some help with the 32bit graphics thingie... I am not much of a computer guru :S I realize that I need to download some tar files, right? is there a pack for them? and what do I need to do after downloading? :S 13:24:02 <LordAro> uh oh.... :) 13:24:51 <LordAro> http://wiki.openttd.org/32bpp_installation <-- this 13:25:35 <Rens> Thanks guys for helping, I've send PikkaBird a PM 13:25:51 <Rens> Nice Christmas, happy new year and God bless you! 13:26:08 <glx> please note that most 32bpp graphics available are for EZ patch 13:26:49 <glx> (and look ugly ;) ) 13:26:51 *** Rens [4da3a0fc@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 13:32:53 <vargadanis> uff, it's complicated... :) we shall see what happens 13:32:56 <vargadanis> LordAro, thanx 13:37:49 <vargadanis> okkay, I downloaded everything from that website 13:38:01 <vargadanis> I fire up openTTD and I can see the extra zoom level thing works 13:38:31 <vargadanis> among the newGRF settings I set 32bpp thing active yet it seems that towns and industry and pretty much everything uses the previous graphics 13:38:40 <vargadanis> did I do something wrong? 13:39:18 <vargadanis> in the data folder I have 2 extra files: the 32bit-gfx-nightly and the 32bpp_extra-nightly 13:40:33 <LordAro> no, it's just that not all new graphics have been drawn yet ;) 13:40:52 <Alberth> or rather, most of them are not :) 13:41:20 <LordAro> indeed :) 13:41:51 <LordAro> that's a thought: peter1138, why you change username on forums? 13:42:19 * Alberth misses the connection entirely 13:42:31 <LordAro> unrelated to here 13:42:40 <LordAro> related to here: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=57731&p=986442#p986442 13:46:28 <andythenorth> planetmaker: I'm thinking again about releasing FIRS under a different grfid 13:46:42 <andythenorth> maybe run two release tracks 'stable' and 'nightly' 13:46:56 <andythenorth> it's wrong for several reasons, but might be right for other reasons 13:47:09 <LordAro> you'd only forget to change it to the 'stable' grfid ;) 13:48:41 <andythenorth> that is indeed possible 13:49:31 *** enr1x [~kiike@62.57.4.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:50:37 <andythenorth> could use a different makefile target :P 13:53:33 <planetmaker> I'm not really a fan of same grf, different grfIDs 13:53:53 <andythenorth> me neither 13:54:00 <planetmaker> Nor do I see a strong motivation to support 1.1 anymore 13:54:03 <planetmaker> :-P 13:54:15 <planetmaker> Thus... why different grfIDs? 13:54:30 <LordAro> do you ever want firs to be available to stable users? :P 13:54:39 <andythenorth> yes 13:54:47 <planetmaker> well, it is now :-) 13:54:51 <andythenorth> this situation is likely to repeat 13:55:29 <LordAro> or Truebrain could fix that bug... ;) 13:56:06 <TrueBrain> I could what? 13:56:11 * TrueBrain dislikes random highlights without context 13:56:24 <LordAro> fs#2966 13:57:20 <andythenorth> that would require a patch to bananas 13:57:29 <andythenorth> and bananas is afaik unmaintained? 13:57:34 <LordAro> sorry, had to find the specific bug report :) 14:00:52 <LordAro> why would bananas be unmaintained? 14:01:47 <andythenorth> no development environment 14:02:20 <andythenorth> from what rubi told me, it requires applying untested patches to the production server 14:02:28 <andythenorth> which is...interesting 14:02:41 <TrueBrain> it is maintained, just not developed 14:02:44 <TrueBrain> which is a huge difference 14:02:54 <TrueBrain> (else BaNaNaS wouldnt accept GameScripts) 14:03:22 <andythenorth> so is 2966 a bug or a feature request? 14:03:26 <LordAro> surely a downtime of around 10 mins if the patch if broken wouldn't matter? 14:03:43 <andythenorth> it's just a crappy way of working 14:03:45 <LordAro> ...or did i just say the wrong thing? i kow how you sys ops get :) 14:03:52 <andythenorth> and last time it was discussed, no-one wanted to do it ;) 14:14:31 <vargadanis> I wish I understood how each and every one of the signals work :S 14:15:15 <vargadanis> yes! youtube videos on it yataaa 14:15:23 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-021-024.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Python is way too complicated... 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It is not usable 15:05:07 <Belugas> hello 15:08:37 <LordAro> hi Belugas 15:10:19 <Belugas> hi LordAro :) 15:10:52 <LordAro> http://clientsfromhell.net/ <-- much amusement from here :) 15:11:40 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23653 /trunk/src/ai/ai_gui.cpp: -Fix: also show GameScripts when you click Check Online Content (SubVersion does not allow translated commit messages, I am sorry) in AI / Game Settings 15:13:06 <LordAro> surely that function is not in the right file? 15:13:26 <LordAro> since it deals with both gamescripts and AIs 15:36:14 <andythenorth> are there are any spare text control characters? 15:36:33 * andythenorth has an idea for progressive disclosure of text 15:41:08 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-002-124.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 15:42:39 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:48:15 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 15:58:14 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:58:22 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@D5225594.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 16:09:40 *** kleinerdrache [~mn@188-22-72-158.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:14:33 *** Chruker [~no@5634a56d.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 16:18:36 *** kleinerdrache [~mn@178-190-175-45.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 16:20:24 *** Hawson [~hawson@174-143-252-250.slicehost.net] has joined #openttd 16:21:24 *** Netsplit resistance.oftc.net <-> weber.oftc.net quits: Hawson_, Born_Acorn, chris_0076, DabuYu, EyeMWing, @Belugas, Arkabzol, ccfreak2k, TinoDidriksen 16:22:23 *** Netsplit over, joins: Born_Acorn, @Belugas, EyeMWing, chris_0076, ccfreak2k, Arkabzol, TinoDidriksen, DabuYu 16:22:31 *** mode/#openttd [+v Belugas] by ChanServ 16:26:03 *** IchGuckLive [~chatzilla@95-89-244-199-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 16:26:36 <IchGuckLive> Hi il try to find out howto renew a bus only by copy and delete the old ? 16:28:11 *** dageek [~dageek@2001:8b0:ff85:0:223:6cff:fe87:e49c] has joined #openttd 16:29:09 <Alberth> autorenew? 16:29:39 <Alberth> (which fails if the original model is no longer available, you may want to use autoreplace in that case) 16:31:27 <IchGuckLive> is there a documentation on this ? 16:31:37 <Alberth> the wiki of course! 16:31:51 <IchGuckLive> there is nothing on renew bus 16:32:05 <glx> try renew vehicle 16:32:11 <Alberth> try 'autorenew' 16:32:37 <IchGuckLive> where is this autorenew or renew vehicle 16:32:54 <IchGuckLive> in the busmenue itself 16:33:24 <Alberth> http://wiki.openttd.org/Autorenew#Autorenew 16:33:42 <Alberth> the settings are in the 'advanced settings' window 16:34:04 <Alberth> ie it is a global setting for all vehicles 16:34:32 <IchGuckLive> ah 16:34:35 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.26.172] has joined #openttd 16:36:12 <IchGuckLive> Thanks 16:37:12 *** IchGuckLive [~chatzilla@95-89-244-199-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 8.0/20111115192257]] 16:40:12 *** dageek [~dageek@2001:8b0:ff85:0:223:6cff:fe87:e49c] has left #openttd [] 16:40:18 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.169.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:42:40 *** Elu [~Elukka@78-27-84-248.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:43:51 *** Elukka [~Elukka@78-27-84-248.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:50:11 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:52:14 * LordAro hums 17:11:52 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r23654 /trunk/src/newgrf_airport.h: -Fix [FS#4904]: missing this-> (adf88) 17:15:20 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-021-024.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:18:52 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:27:22 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0a9627.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 17:28:45 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.26.172] has quit [Quit: Sla Mutant Co-Op for Renegade - coming back soon] 17:34:34 *** Elukka [~Elukka@78-27-84-248.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 17:36:22 <LordAro> http://clientsfromhell.net/post/3774575856/how-do-you-spell-html 17:49:46 *** pjpe [ae5b52e7@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 17:58:23 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-82-31-3-251.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:35:31 *** fjb|tab is now known as Guest21277 18:35:32 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFD410.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:38:30 *** Guest21277 [~frank@p5DDFDFC9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:42:25 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: translators * r23655 /trunk/src/lang/ (19 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 18:42:25 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:42:25 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: belarusian - 45 changes by KorneySan 18:42:25 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: croatian - 2 changes by VoyagerOne 18:42:25 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: czech - 49 changes by ReisRyos, TheLamer, marek995 18:42:26 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: dutch - 8 changes by Parody, habell 18:42:26 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: english_US - 2 changes by Rubidium 18:43:55 *** enr1x [~kiike@62.57.4.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #openttd 18:44:52 <vargadanis> what influances the population growth or lack of it of a city? 18:45:52 <Alberth> http://wiki.openttd.org/Town_growth 18:46:13 <Alberth> having a look at the wiki often helps :) 18:47:56 <vargadanis> thaaank you 18:49:27 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d0090a5.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:51:42 *** pjpe [ae5b52e7@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 18:55:13 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbab1fa.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:58:36 *** TheMask96 [~martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:59:09 <vargadanis> what good does funding the local road reconstruction do to me? 18:59:47 <LordAro> nothing, just disrupts other competitors 19:01:41 <Rubidium> and yourself (if you're having a road vehicle network in the town) 19:03:06 *** TheMask96 [~martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 19:09:55 *** JVassie [~James@2.27.86.228] has joined #openttd 19:11:19 *** kleinerdrache [~mn@178-190-175-45.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 19:12:34 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:16:55 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbab1fa.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:35:42 <vargadanis> that's great :) 19:35:43 <vargadanis> hehe 19:36:13 <vargadanis> how do you guys modernize your lotta trains? 19:36:34 <vargadanis> it takes forever, better part of a year to pull 'em all back to a depo and replace the old things with better ones 19:36:55 <Eddi|zuHause> train list -> manage list -> autoreplace 19:39:41 <vargadanis> sweet god :) love ttd :) 19:39:53 <vargadanis> feel like a young myself again :) 19:40:53 <vargadanis> I would like to ask a favor :S I suck at these singal thingies and it would be seet if someone could show me an example to a 3 and 4 track station thing 19:41:07 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 19:41:52 <LordAro> again, wiki is your friend ;) 19:48:16 <Belugas> [14:44] <vargadanis> feel like a young myself again :) <-- i shold play that game more oftne :S 19:50:19 <vargadanis> Belugas, yeah, well I used to have a train board or whatever it was called 19:50:23 <vargadanis> I loved it.. 19:50:51 <vargadanis> unfortunately it became very old and didn't work that well so I gave it to a young guy, he was like 14 and he promised to repair it 19:51:02 <vargadanis> he did and he did it so well that I gave it to him :) 19:51:16 <vargadanis> long trains have a definite disadvantage 19:51:24 <vargadanis> sometimes they clutter up 19:51:45 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.26.172] has joined #openttd 19:52:48 <vargadanis> if I buy exclusive transport rights will that mean that all the rest of the opponents will have to leave the town? 19:53:15 <vargadanis> wow, extreme! just by replacing the trains my income went from 2.2mill to 2.9mill 19:53:22 <vargadanis> tho the cost was possible like 1.5 mill :S 19:53:27 *** Rezt [~Rezt@81-178-198-172.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 19:55:24 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.26.172] has quit [] 19:56:00 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:59:04 <Zuu> vargadanis: Exclusive transport rights will cause no cargo to be delivered to your opponent stations for a period of one year. 20:00:25 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.26.172] has joined #openttd 20:00:46 * andythenorth should know better 20:00:57 <andythenorth> suggestions forum is always a bad place to visit :P 20:01:46 <Eddi|zuHause> what kind of place the world would be if all people who "should know better" actually behaved like they do :p 20:03:49 <Belugas> vargadanis, i kow the feeling :) I love playing with my son on his lego train set :D 20:04:15 <LordAro> wait, what? 20:04:23 <LordAro> sorry... :L 20:05:14 <andythenorth> Belugas: this is a hit with my 22 month old http://city.lego.com/en-us/products/harbour/4645.aspx 20:05:37 <andythenorth> got it on Amazon for £50 sterling 20:09:38 <Belugas> cute :) You're already perverting him :D 20:11:27 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.26.172] has quit [Quit: Sla Mutant Co-Op for Renegade - coming back soon] 20:13:35 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-160-110.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:17:03 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.26.172] has joined #openttd 20:17:42 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@client-82-31-3-251.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:17:58 *** pjpe [ae5b52e7@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 20:27:17 <Zuu> Hmm, GSGoalList would be useful to clear up "lost" goals when loading a savegame from TransportGoals 1. 20:31:13 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 20:31:50 <Zuu> Or if the script get to take over from another script. Or are are game script saved from the risk of taking over from another script/ai? 20:32:53 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think scripts can "take over" from another script 20:33:58 <Zuu> So if the script is unavailable, no script runs at all? 20:34:30 <Eddi|zuHause> if the script is unavailable, the game should not load (same as newgrfs) 20:35:05 <Zuu> For AIs the rule is that another AI program takes over if one is unavailable. 20:35:17 <Zuu> With no way of veto. :-) 20:35:31 <Eddi|zuHause> not entirely sure if this is such a great idea 20:36:44 <Yexo> I'm quite sure a GS can't take over from another GS 20:36:44 <Zuu> As long as the user gets informed about it happening, it is still probably the best that can happen for the player. 20:36:57 <Zuu> (when an AI take over from another) 20:37:32 <Zuu> But when I publish version 2 of TransportGoals, it will take over from version 1 (if users upgrade)? 20:38:04 <Zuu> upgrade as in, if people download the new version via bananas or manual download. 20:58:45 <Yexo> not sure, for AIs it does work that way 20:58:49 <Yexo> TrueBrain: ^^ ? 21:02:48 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host48-239-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 21:03:11 <Wolf01> evenink 21:08:55 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:10:35 <andythenorth> hello Wolf01 21:10:45 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 21:11:10 *** pjpe [ae5b52e7@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 21:16:45 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [] 21:16:54 *** chris__0076 [~Chris_007@adsl-98-66-254-30.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #openttd 21:20:38 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:22:40 <TrueBrain> Zuu: it should work; please do test :) 21:23:52 <andythenorth> Rubidium: did diagonal rivers also get ruled out? Or was I just too lazy to draw the needed sprites? 21:23:53 <Zuu> I did test, and it didn't work at that case. Only going to menu and back again in the game solved the issue that it didn't want to re-load my script. 21:24:09 <Zuu> However, now it reloads the script fine. 21:24:16 *** chris_0076 [~Chris_007@adsl-74-190-122-141.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:24:28 <Zuu> My only idea is that it might be related to script compilation errors. 21:25:13 <TrueBrain> will check it 21:25:18 <frosch123> andythenorth: you would not be able to build anything on the other halftile 21:25:30 <andythenorth> that's fine 21:25:31 <frosch123> so, the current behaviour is less likely to cause requests :p 21:25:57 <peter1138> well 21:26:01 <peter1138> i had a patch once... 21:26:04 <frosch123> however, if you make the outside corners big enough you will almost get diagonal rivers 21:26:14 <peter1138> yeah 21:26:20 <peter1138> make a very wide river, and squint a bit 21:26:26 <andythenorth> my current game is heavy on trams + rivers 21:26:28 <frosch123> ships already travel on "rail pieces" 21:26:31 <andythenorth> it's very...orthogonal 21:26:48 * andythenorth should make a 'manhattan' map :P 21:26:57 <peter1138> 32bpp: dead before it started? 21:27:08 <frosch123> [22:30] <andythenorth> it's very...orthogonal <- play simutrans :p 21:27:13 <andythenorth> hmm 21:27:17 <andythenorth> no thanks 21:27:19 <andythenorth> I have taste :P 21:27:23 <peter1138> simutrans rail junctions :( 21:27:30 <LordAro> peter1138: 32bpp is implemented :P 21:27:32 <frosch123> peter1138: it felt undead somewhen, so dead is an improvement 21:27:40 <peter1138> heh 21:27:58 <peter1138> LordAro, show me the baseset ;) 21:28:18 <TrueBrain> Zuu: possible indeed I made it name+version restricted; shouldnt (via Load). So will fix :) 21:28:44 <LordAro> peter1138: shh 21:28:47 <LordAro> :) 21:28:48 <peter1138> LordAro, i think i killed the blender thread :p 21:30:43 <Zuu> Another wish for debugging is to have the AI/GS Debug window popup when the GS crashes. 21:31:30 <TrueBrain> will check 21:31:37 * peter1138 ponders making a complete set of 32bpp-ez graphics using... sketchup :p 21:31:44 * andythenorth thinks diagonal rivers worth the effort 21:31:56 * andythenorth even promises not to complain while drawing the sprites 21:31:58 <peter1138> andythenorth, find my patch and finish it :p 21:32:22 <andythenorth> grep peter1138 "river*" 21:32:50 <andythenorth> bad grep :P 21:32:57 <frosch123> try with different order of arguments 21:35:10 <peter1138> heh, bridges over stations: r9829 21:35:12 <andythenorth> could canals drag-build on a box, not just a line? 21:35:29 <andythenorth> i.e. in both x and y simultaneously 21:35:34 <peter1138> yes but no 21:36:57 <frosch123> http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/tba6907.png <- r6907 :p 21:37:18 *** Rezt [~Rezt@81-178-198-172.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 21:37:32 <frosch123> ottd was so much better back then 21:37:34 <andythenorth> so many patches :P 21:38:07 <andythenorth> frosch123: 6th feb 2010? Not that long ago... 21:39:18 <frosch123> it's not a daylength-factor-38918-patch 21:46:02 <Eddi|zuHause> it should be! 21:46:37 <Eddi|zuHause> and a round world map with 1 tile = 24m 21:47:21 <frosch123> just bend your screen 21:47:55 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-prvbrasgw1-fe05dc00-37.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 21:48:22 <Eddi|zuHause> with all climate zones! 21:48:37 <frosch123> all four? :p 21:48:53 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. disneyland and stuff 21:49:22 <frosch123> maybe if you put toyland between arctic and temperate, the grass transition is less ugly 21:49:33 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:50:16 <TrueBrain> ah; Zuu, I remember: there is a bit of an issue when loading newer GSes, mostly when the strings are changed 21:50:34 <TrueBrain> so I have to review it, but it is not very lickely a newer GS would be able to load on a savegame made with an older 21:50:44 <TrueBrain> at least, unless it meets certain requirements 21:52:29 <Zuu> Apart from string issues, I don't see why it shouldn't be up to the GS to say yes or no to savegame compatibility, just like it is for AIs. 21:52:46 <TrueBrain> but 'apart from' is the issue :) 21:52:50 <TrueBrain> and it is kinda a huge one 21:53:04 <andythenorth> hmm 21:53:12 <Zuu> larger than an "impossible" one? ;-) 21:53:25 <TrueBrain> something that needs, as with everything, attention 21:53:29 <TrueBrain> it is not a 1-2-3 fix 21:53:29 <andythenorth> did someone teach trains to try and go to appropriate length platforms? Or is it just coincidence? 21:53:56 <Eddi|zuHause> that's implemented for ages 21:54:07 <andythenorth> how was it done? 21:54:13 <Eddi|zuHause> pathfinder penalties 21:55:04 <TrueBrain> and Zuu, the 'huge one' refers to the problems coming from it when not done correctly, not how much work it is :) Huge difference ;) 21:56:16 <Zuu> Oh, so you are saying it is easy as long as it is done correct from start. :-) 21:57:16 <TrueBrain> now you are just putting words in my mouth :) 21:58:03 <blathijs> pathfinder penalties are like magic! :-) 21:58:28 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.26.172] has quit [Quit: Sla Mutant Co-Op for Renegade - coming back soon] 21:59:21 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00:01 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:00:40 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has quit [Quit: Popidopidopido] 22:00:52 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-021-024.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Python is way too complicated... I prefer doing it quickly in C.] 22:05:16 <vargadanis> sweet I just got the monorails :) 22:05:52 <vargadanis> ohh crap! how do I upgrade my existing lines and trains to the new monorail thingie? the depos are not compatible :S 22:07:10 <Xaroth> yep :) 22:07:18 <Xaroth> upgrading to monorail/maglev is a bitch :P 22:08:31 <frosch123> best solution: don't upgrade :p 22:08:43 <Xaroth> or do the entire track all at once 22:08:47 <frosch123> build parallel express tracks for express cargo 22:08:49 <Xaroth> depot all trains, upgrade, new trains 22:08:52 <Xaroth> and be VERY quick at it :P 22:08:52 <frosch123> and keep the old tracks for coal 22:10:09 <andythenorth> frosch123: that's a silly idea 22:10:13 <andythenorth> coal travels by plane 22:10:41 <Xaroth> coal travels by mammoth maglev trains :P 22:11:09 <vargadanis> by plane? 22:11:19 <vargadanis> I don't even have planes that accept coal or can be refitted for it 22:11:26 <vargadanis> they come later? 22:11:32 <Xaroth> no, they come with newgrfs 22:11:42 <vargadanis> i have newgrf 22:11:52 <vargadanis> or not? I have the installable version 22:11:54 <Xaroth> they come with active newgrfs :P 22:12:11 * vargadanis is confused as if you were explaining calculus :S 22:13:22 *** murr4y [~murray@ec2-79-125-51-116.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:17:16 *** Brandon_ [~Brandon@pool-71-176-37-23.nrflva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 22:18:09 <Brandon_> I'm playing on Mac and the buildings and trees won't rendr 22:18:34 <Xaroth> have you accidentally hit X ? 22:18:43 <Xaroth> or try Ctrl+X 22:19:09 <Brandon_> haha that did it 22:19:10 <Brandon_> thanks! 22:21:28 <vargadanis> fantastic :) 22:21:45 <vargadanis> upgraded all train lines to that stupid new railroad thingie 22:21:50 *** murr4y [~murray@ec2-79-125-51-116.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined #openttd 22:21:56 <vargadanis> monorails woot :) 22:25:35 *** stinkyfax [~stinkyfax@wowmod.eu] has joined #openttd 22:25:36 *** JVassie [~James@2.27.86.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:25:41 <stinkyfax> hi all 22:26:29 <stinkyfax> I have started playing new version in openTTD and got stuck on next: how do I build a railroad two-way signal? pressing leftclick few times makes it warry between directions, but i wnt 2 direction 22:27:36 <Zuu> It's really great to have AIs for testing your Game Scripts :-) 22:28:16 <frosch123> night 22:28:24 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d0090a5.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:30:01 <stinkyfax> how do I build two-way signal? i managed to build one-way only 22:30:16 <stinkyfax> does it have to do anyhing with a linux? I tried without any newGFX 22:31:06 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@D5225594.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:33:53 *** rihijs [54edf936@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 22:34:04 <rihijs> hello 22:34:10 <stinkyfax> can anyone help? 22:34:14 <rihijs> can someone help? 22:34:47 <LordAro> stinkyfax: select the first signal in the list 22:34:53 <LordAro> (it's the basic block signal) 22:34:53 <rihijs> some local authorities dont allow to build bus or train station, how to resolve this? 22:35:05 <glx> rihijs: plant trees 22:35:18 <LordAro> stinkyfax: http://wiki.openttd.org/Signals 22:35:23 <rihijs> ok thanks i will try 22:35:28 <stinkyfax> owh, thanks 22:36:03 <glx> or bribe, but planting trees is safer 22:36:04 *** rihijs [54edf936@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [] 22:36:46 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:36:54 *** Chruker [~no@5634a56d.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [] 22:38:20 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 22:45:03 <vargadanis> how do I find the trains with void orders? is there a gui section for that? 22:48:07 <vargadanis> as well is there a limit like only XY types of planes can land on small airfields? 22:50:53 <Prof_Frink> No. 22:50:56 <andythenorth> bye 22:50:57 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:51:13 <Prof_Frink> But the chance of crashing is greatly increased. 22:56:23 <vargadanis> I c :S 22:56:32 <vargadanis> ohh well, i'll see how often it crashes :) 22:57:10 <vargadanis> I wish some planes could be refitted for transporting whatever I want 23:02:10 <vargadanis> What AI do you people usually use? I want a little bit of a challenge 23:07:43 <Wolf01> 'night 23:07:46 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host48-239-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:09:57 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19BE2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:20:20 *** LordAro [d92b6e2d@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 23:26:55 <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't played with AIs in years... there's plenty of other challenges 23:38:39 *** bobby [325a67c3@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 23:39:34 *** bobby [325a67c3@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [] 23:40:02 <vargadanis> Eddi|zuHause, ohh? can you give me an example? 23:41:53 <Eddi|zuHause> the last (~4) games i played, i tried to build sensible networks with cargo destinations 23:42:00 <planetmaker> vargadanis: NoCAB, AdmiralAI, ... there are threads in the NoAI subforum where people made test runs 23:42:10 <planetmaker> good or bad may depend on the actual game settings 23:45:07 * Zuu just loaded a blackprint for a roundabout as heightmap in OpenTTD :-) 23:46:57 <Zuu> blueprint* 23:47:24 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-160-110.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:50:00 *** DDR [~chatzilla@142.179.78.88] has joined #openttd 23:50:10 <Zuu> Hmm, I should maybe try to see if I can obtain a nice blueprint through a public website that could give a nice scenario. :-)