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00:05:32 <michi_cc> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Callbacks#Can_wagon_be_attached_.281D.29 00:06:02 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-28-53-106.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:09:00 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-77-121.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:14:18 *** Firartix [~artixds@108.140.0.93.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 00:19:59 <Terkhen> good night 00:22:03 *** tensai_cirno [~cirno@77.232.15.216] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:29:12 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has joined #openttd 00:35:58 *** Markavian [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:40:24 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@194.Red-83-52-212.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:53:35 *** cmircea [~cmircea@86.124.217.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:06:18 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:15:00 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:15:12 *** Zuu_ [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 01:17:19 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@193.52.24.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:22:14 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:27:21 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 01:30:43 *** Firartix [~artixds@108.140.0.93.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:38:15 *** KouDy [~KouDy@30.43.49.60.kmr01-home.tm.net.my] has joined #openttd 01:39:02 *** KouDy [~KouDy@30.43.49.60.kmr01-home.tm.net.my] has quit [] 01:42:53 *** KouDy [~KouDy@30.43.49.60.kmr01-home.tm.net.my] has joined #openttd 01:43:30 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.252.118] has joined #openttd 01:50:15 *** KouDy [~KouDy@30.43.49.60.kmr01-home.tm.net.my] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:50:43 *** KouDy [~KouDy@30.43.49.60.kmr01-home.tm.net.my] has joined #openttd 02:28:30 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-178-126.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:28:59 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-103-191.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 02:37:46 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-103-191.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 02:37:58 *** KouDy [~KouDy@30.43.49.60.kmr01-home.tm.net.my] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:38:44 *** KouDy [~KouDy@30.43.49.60.kmr01-home.tm.net.my] has joined #openttd 02:51:36 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-86-49-67-69.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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OrderList::IsCompleteTimetable returns true if there are no orders, letting timetable_duration be 0 11:31:01 *** George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 11:31:02 *** George is now known as Guest2538 11:31:02 *** George|2 is now known as George 11:33:24 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-86-49-67-69.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 11:35:21 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:35:31 *** roboboy [3aad2b37@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 11:39:37 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 11:40:30 *** roboboy [3aad2b37@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 11:42:15 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.26.172] has quit [] 11:56:47 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.26.172] has joined #openttd 11:59:42 *** benspartan [~guest@afa07u05.u-3mrs.fr] has joined #openttd 12:02:37 *** benspartan [~guest@afa07u05.u-3mrs.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:03:12 *** benspartan [c2c78805@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 12:03:34 <benspartan> Hi there 12:04:26 <planetmaker> moin 12:04:38 <benspartan> Is the 1.1.3 version is still available somewhere? 12:04:45 <planetmaker> yes 12:04:59 <benspartan> I can't manage to find it 12:04:59 <planetmaker> binaries.openttd.org 12:05:26 <planetmaker> but why would you want that old version? 12:05:39 <planetmaker> IF you play 1.1 branch, I'd severly recommend 1.1.5 at least 12:06:06 <benspartan> nice, i thought i would have to recompile it 12:06:16 <benspartan> I know 12:06:46 <benspartan> but ther server i usually play on is still on 1.1.3 12:07:00 <planetmaker> he's doing something wrong then 12:07:14 <benspartan> the admin is a ghost is fact 12:07:33 <planetmaker> especially server owners should be interested in running the latest stable release, especially in this case 12:07:52 <planetmaker> As the fixes between 1.1.4 and 1.1.5 harden the server and make it less vulnerable to attacks 12:08:03 <benspartan> I think he's not playing anymore 12:08:34 <planetmaker> you might want to consider other servers then :-) 12:08:43 <benspartan> he just keeps the server up 12:11:19 <benspartan> I like this one because maps are not huge, there is comptetion, a goal (8-9BGP) and nice people 12:31:11 *** benspartan [c2c78805@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 12:36:40 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:48:50 *** chester [~chester@128-68-25-207.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 12:49:49 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 12:51:47 *** avdg [~avdg@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:51:51 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@178.63.83.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:53:04 *** orudge` [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 12:53:06 *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:53:31 *** Osai [~Osai@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:53:38 *** avdg [~avdg@178.63.83.101] has joined #openttd 12:53:39 *** luckz [~lkz@luckz.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:54:18 *** heffer [~felix@hyperion.fetzig.org] has joined #openttd 12:54:53 *** planetmaker [~planetmak@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:54:58 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:54:58 *** Mek [~quassel@marijnalexwedding.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:55:03 *** heffer_ [~felix@hyperion.fetzig.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:55:26 *** luckz [~lkz@luckz.de] has joined #openttd 12:55:42 *** Mek [~quassel@marijnalexwedding.com] has joined #openttd 12:55:44 *** planetmaker [~planetmak@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 12:55:44 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 12:55:44 *** mode/#openttd [+o planetmaker] by ChanServ 12:55:47 *** mode/#openttd [+o Terkhen] by ChanServ 12:57:13 *** Osai [~Osai@178.63.83.101] has joined #openttd 12:57:13 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 12:59:14 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 12:59:52 *** Firartix [~artixds@www.clubnix.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:05:11 *** glevans2 [~glevans2@75-141-134-16.dhcp.mdfd.or.charter.com] has left #openttd [] 13:13:46 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A36A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:27:39 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-213-49-110-194.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 13:39:55 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@cpe-69-203-124-125.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:44:39 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@cpe-69-203-124-125.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 13:57:32 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-90-104.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:02:26 <xiong> Hi, I'm trying to understand why the center tile of a 3x3 block so often refuses to build, even under steady and long encouragement. Source seems to indicate that road access can be as far as a tile away; and I've seen buildings on the outskirts like that. 14:03:40 <xiong> But even building a short, one-tile road section into the middle of a 3x3 block is not always enough to provoke it to build; while cutting the block down to a 2x3 usually *is* enough. What's going on? 14:03:55 *** orudge` is now known as orudge 14:04:07 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 14:04:36 <xiong> I also notice that buildings seem to come in alongside new roads but not at the ends of them -- sometimes but less likely. True? 14:05:45 <V453000> andythenorth: do petrol pumps/general stores die if they are ignored? 14:10:13 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:98f4:c860:c739:7046] has joined #openttd 14:10:16 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:14:31 <Rhamphoryncus> xiong: town growth is.. funky 14:14:52 <xiong> Boy, it sure is! 14:15:08 <Rhamphoryncus> It basically starts at the center, crawls outward in a random pattern, then eventually stops and does something 14:15:18 <xiong> I don't know why Game Mechanics is silent on it. 14:17:29 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@178.248.252.206] has joined #openttd 14:17:29 <xiong> I'm fairly certain that I can produce more or less consistent results by building the extra road across the edge of a 3x3 block. The trouble comes when there isn't such an edge vacant. I'm reluctant to doze three buildings (or even one) to encourage the center tile to build. 14:19:07 <xiong> I'm even more peeved when I get the center to build, remove the extra road; the three newly vacant tiles build, too -- so all is well. And then, for some peculiar reason, the center building drops out -- perhaps four houses are replaced by a stadium, which later is replaced by... three houses. I feel I'm doing it wrong. 14:19:45 <xiong> I don't like the so-called 2x2 grid at all. 14:22:38 <Rhamphoryncus> 2x2 grid with a center tile? 14:23:57 <Rhamphoryncus> 2x2 doesn't have center tiles 14:24:22 <xiong> I mean, I prefer the so-called 3x3. I don't want to resort to 2x2 because I can't fill the centers of the 3x3 blocks. 14:25:03 <Rhamphoryncus> all the 3x3 I see use the center tile 14:25:32 <xiong> A 3x3 block is actually a 4x4 grid. Four is a good number. A 2x2 block is a 3x3 grid. Three is not such a great number. Besides, it's just too much road for the amount of town. 14:25:44 <xiong> "Use"? 14:26:07 <Rhamphoryncus> It has a building 14:26:13 <xiong> Wait a minute; I may not have spoken clearly. Screenshot to the rescue... wait one. 14:31:54 <xiong> http://imgur.com/wiZGG 14:32:34 <Rhamphoryncus> hmm, so a lot of your 3x3 blocks have empty centres 14:32:55 <xiong> Classic; illustrates all cases. Three blocks at town center have no building in center square. I've checked; they're not parks. 14:32:57 <Rhamphoryncus> What version are you using? 14:33:54 <xiong> Um, this is chillpack, hex version number, very hard to type. But I've seen just the same with vanilla nightlies. 14:34:18 <xiong> Anyway, chillpack doesn't advertise any monkey business with town building. 14:34:52 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:34:55 <Rhamphoryncus> hrm 14:35:25 <Rhamphoryncus> What's the version on the vanilla nightly? Just to be thorough 14:35:28 <xiong> Note that in some blocks I've forced the center tile to build with that extra road. You can see the south-most block has just now built its center and I've removed the extra road. 14:35:39 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@194.Red-83-52-212.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 14:35:46 <xiong> *headscratch* 14:36:57 <Rhamphoryncus> Also, take the vanilla nightly, open up scenario editor, place some 3x3 towns, then expand them and see what happens 14:38:14 <xiong> Found it. Looks like 1.1.0-beta5 (2011-02-04). 14:38:38 * Rhamphoryncus mumbles about "latest" not being a valid version, ever ;) 14:38:44 <xiong> Yah, dunno, I hadn't thought in terms of serious diagnostics and experiments here. 14:39:12 <xiong> I assumed at first, without thinking, that center tiles did not build because they had no road access -- open and shut. 14:39:20 <Rhamphoryncus> Go grab the latest (heh) 1.2.0 beta: http://www.openttd.org/en/download-testing 14:39:32 <xiong> I'm still assuming this is all normal. 14:40:18 <Rhamphoryncus> I'm betting 1.2.0 added tweaked logic for 3x3 towns so it would fill in the centres 14:40:46 <Rhamphoryncus> Or any of 1.1.1 through 1.1.5 14:40:51 <xiong> Are you saying this is *not* normal? Are you blaming chillpack or, more likely, the vanilla base for whatever I've got? 14:41:08 <Rhamphoryncus> I'm blaming your old version 14:41:12 <xiong> I just thought I was doing it wrong. 14:41:41 <Rhamphoryncus> It works fine for me 14:42:05 <xiong> I never played real heavily with the vanilla version I have installed; I went to chillpack quickly. Did most of my old playing with nightlies. 14:42:22 <Rhamphoryncus> But I would suggest one trick to try: rather than a road straight at the center tile you could go in, then turn. Make it a bend so it doesn't assume that road will get grown further 14:42:44 <xiong> Ah yes. Thought of that. Note the block to the west of town center. 14:43:30 <xiong> There, the "access road" is only a half-tile in, with a full-tile "T". So the center tile doesn't face an uncompleted dead end. 14:43:56 <Rhamphoryncus> ahh right 14:44:32 <xiong> I've also tried simple half-tile dead ends. Doesn't seem to matter. What does work is two or more adjacent tiles. I notice that block corners seem to build preferentially and theorize that quantity of adjacent tiles counts. 14:45:24 <xiong> To the southwest I've got another "T" dead-end. Hasn't built. Nothing works as well as a road straight across. 14:46:16 <Rhamphoryncus> Hrm. Looks like chillpak isn't currently developed 14:46:22 <xiong> I guess if I care about this as much as I seem, I really should break out the most recent vanilla release, build some very specific demo towns, and work them scientifically. Store raw data, all of that. 14:46:36 <Rhamphoryncus> It's based on an older version.. and he accidentally broke savegame compatibility with trunk 14:46:41 <xiong> But the point of playing the game is to amuse myself, not make more work. 14:47:18 <Rhamphoryncus> I'd recommend you live with it for now, but for your next game grab 1.2 (or whatever the latest beta is) 14:49:57 <xiong> Yes, there's wisdom in that suggestion. But I really like some of chillpack's patches. 14:50:20 <xiong> I'm not sure how eager I am to roll my own patchpack. 14:52:05 *** TWerkhoven2[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:52:07 *** TWerkhoven2 [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:55:16 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:55:17 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:07:07 *** Nite [5472b1fc@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:07:12 <Nite> Hi! 15:07:38 <Nite> thanks for the 120beta4 15:08:33 <Rhamphoryncus> My pleasure. Not that I had anything to do with it. 15:09:00 <Nite> i wasn't able to connect properly in 1.1.5 so instead of talking to all the server hostings to change their settings of strange timeout parameters or something 15:09:27 <Nite> i paused playing ottd (no 1.1.5 for me :-( ) 15:09:50 <Nite> 1.2.0 works as fluid as ever for me 15:09:55 <Nite> keep it taht way! 15:09:56 <xiong> Thanks for talking about it, Rhamphoryncus. I'm now considering this not so much of a gameplay issue and more of a software issue. 15:10:27 <Rhamphoryncus> xiong: *nods* 15:11:14 <Nite> the extra zoom levels are a nice touch too (i set it to 2x in) will help with some signal constellations 15:11:48 <xiong> At the least, it might be worthwhile to set up some serious test games and at least be able to write some sort of current documentation, with facts to back it up. 15:12:16 <xiong> 1.2.0 has extra zoom? 15:12:29 <Rhamphoryncus> xiong: yup 15:12:35 <xiong> Does that mean the 32bpp project has been folded into trunk? 15:12:44 <Rhamphoryncus> nope 15:13:02 <Rhamphoryncus> Well, I don't think so anyway 15:14:00 <Rhamphoryncus> There is some sort of 32bpp renderer, but it's significantly slower, and I don't know if you can actually use 32bpp graphics.. or maybe it just doesn't come with them. No idea really. 15:15:37 *** xQR [~xor@the.x-base.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:15:38 *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:15:55 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:16:00 *** ^Spike^ [~Spike@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:16:00 *** Yexo [~Yexo@178.63.83.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:16:12 <xiong> Are the signals any more readable? 15:16:45 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:16:45 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:16:52 *** dihedral [~dih@znc.noaddedsugar.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:17:02 *** heffer_ [~felix@hyperion.fetzig.org] has joined #openttd 15:17:15 *** Mek [~quassel@marijnalexwedding.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:17:20 *** Markk [mark@rikskriminalpolisen.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:17:26 *** luckz [~lkz@luckz.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:17:55 *** welterde [welterde@thinkbase.srv.welterde.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:18:08 *** welshdragon [~mark-oftc@welshdragon.zernebok.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 15:18:15 *** Mek [~quassel@marijnalexwedding.com] has joined #openttd 15:18:18 *** luckz [~lkz@luckz.de] has joined #openttd 15:18:20 *** heffer [~felix@hyperion.fetzig.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:18:43 *** ^Spike^ [~Spike@178.63.83.101] has joined #openttd 15:18:44 *** avdg [~avdg@178.63.83.101] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:18:56 *** welshdragon [~mark-oftc@welshdragon.zernebok.net] has joined #openttd 15:19:43 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@178.63.83.101] has joined #openttd 15:19:43 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@178.63.83.101] has joined #openttd 15:19:46 *** mode/#openttd [+o Terkhen] by ChanServ 15:19:54 *** planetmaker [~planetmak@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: ...und tschÃŒÃ!] 15:20:13 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@178.63.83.101] has joined #openttd 15:20:18 *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 15:20:44 *** Yexo [~Yexo@178.63.83.101] has joined #openttd 15:21:08 <Nite> btw 15:21:13 *** planetmaker [~planetmak@178.63.83.101] has joined #openttd 15:21:13 *** avdg [~avdg@178.63.83.101] has joined #openttd 15:21:28 <Nite> "Make default timeouts for certain network states lower and configurable [CVE-2012-0049] [FS#4955] (r23764)" ruined version 1.1.5 for me 15:21:29 *** Markk [mark@rikskriminalpolisen.com] has joined #openttd 15:21:39 *** planetmaker is now known as Guest2562 15:22:01 <Nite> it loks like this is already back to as it was before in 1.2.0 anybeta 15:22:11 <Rhamphoryncus> Nite: I was discussing that earlier 15:22:50 <Nite> telling every host to configure his timeouts would be too much hassle 15:23:19 <Rhamphoryncus> It needs a system that doesn't block play while someone is connecting 15:23:25 <Nite> what was the outcome of the discussion? Rhamphoryncus 15:23:55 <Nite> youmean pause play? 15:24:08 <Rhamphoryncus> I can't recall heh 15:24:15 <Nite> i can live with the short pauses 15:24:18 <Rhamphoryncus> And yes 15:24:26 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 15:24:29 <Rhamphoryncus> problem is the pauses aren't necessarily short 15:24:37 <Rhamphoryncus> That's why the timeout is small 15:25:03 <Nite> having cookies or chips on the desk solves the problem of the connecting player pause perfectly well ! 15:25:12 *** xQR [xor@the.x-base.org] has joined #openttd 15:25:29 <Nite> for me teh connecting timeout was ok 15:25:45 <TWerkhoven2> im sure you can turn pause-while-connecting can be turned off, but that may prevent slower computers from joining if the game gets too big 15:25:46 <Nite> but ingame i always got disconnected 15:25:53 <TWerkhoven2> as they may not be able to catch up 15:25:55 <michi_cc> Rhamphoryncus: The 32bpp renderer is exactly the same renderer the ez patch used (only that they added a horribly complicated and slow recolouring that was calculated for every pixel). And since some time now you can supply extra zoom sprites in both 8bpp and 32bpp, somebody just has to draw them (I wouldn't count on the 32bpp project with their glacial speed). 15:26:46 <Rhamphoryncus> michi_cc: ahh, I see 15:26:47 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.237] has joined #openttd 15:26:49 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 15:26:50 <Nite> again: i could connect to game noramlly, i get disconnected in the first minutes of actually playing in 1.1.5 15:27:51 <Nite> but i swept 1.1.5 off the drive already and put my hope in 1.2.0 (the beta works smooth) 15:28:20 <Nite> maybee it will clear up in future what caused it ... 15:33:49 *** kais58_ [~kais58@cpc2-cwma8-2-0-cust293.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:34:57 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-52-136-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:35:05 <Nite> when does the "auto refit" button get nongreyedout ?? 15:35:40 *** kais58 [~kais58@cpc2-cwma8-2-0-cust293.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:36:50 <Nite> Oh and, rivers are great addition 15:37:10 <Nite> "flat" bridges come in mind 15:41:27 <Nite> the changelog does not say that network timeout settings are back to old, but 1.2.0 still works for me ... hmmmmm ... whatever ... 15:44:31 *** dihedral [~dih@znc.noaddedsugar.net] has joined #openttd 15:49:05 <michi_cc> Nite: When you use a vehicle NewGRF with support for it. 15:50:36 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@cpe-69-203-124-125.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:51:53 *** Guest2562 is now known as planetmaker_ 15:52:22 *** planetmaker_ is now known as planetmaker 15:56:51 *** TWerkhoven2 is now known as TWerkhoven 15:56:58 <Nite> the maintainance on off switch does what? 15:57:36 <Nite> ... have 2 go cya 15:57:38 <michi_cc> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=57293 15:57:58 <Nite> ty 15:58:01 *** Nite [5472b1fc@ircip4.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 16:00:54 <Ammler> hetzner has a lot of network issues :0-( 16:03:13 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@cpe-69-203-124-125.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 16:06:40 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d00945c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:19:53 <Belugas> hello 16:28:20 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@194.Red-83-52-212.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:36:55 *** KouDy [~KouDy@115.133.8.192] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:53:45 *** CargoBoy [4f0b7dbf@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 16:53:50 <CargoBoy> hi all :) 16:53:55 <CargoBoy> i have a question 16:54:05 <CargoBoy> about oil transport 16:54:31 <CargoBoy> i am trying to set up an oli service 16:54:34 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 16:54:44 <CargoBoy> that starts with a rail transport 16:54:53 <CargoBoy> and finish with a road transport 16:55:12 <CargoBoy> but my train station seems that do not accept oil 16:55:13 <CargoBoy> why? 16:55:31 <CargoBoy> how i have to do? 16:56:01 <Belugas> because a train station as such does not accept anything 16:56:35 <CargoBoy> so what i have to do? 16:56:55 <Belugas> if you want your station to accept oil, you have to install it very close to a rafinery 16:56:59 <CargoBoy> my train station includes a cargo stop 16:57:35 <CargoBoy> so i cant tranship oil between trains and cargoes? 16:58:21 <CargoBoy> (sorry 4 my bad english) 16:59:00 <Belugas> oil is transported from rigs and wells to this : http://wiki.openttd.org/Oil_Refinery 16:59:06 <Belugas> this produces goods 16:59:19 <Belugas> put your station as close as possible to it 16:59:46 <Belugas> after a while, the reginery will produce goods 17:00:02 <CargoBoy> ok, i understand 17:00:12 <Belugas> pick them up and send them to the towns, if you have towns accepting goods :) 17:00:22 <CargoBoy> ok :) 17:00:34 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:00:44 <CargoBoy> i hoped in combined transport :( 17:01:05 <CargoBoy> to save some $$$ 17:01:08 <Elukka> you can have a vehicle drop the oil off on a station that doesn't accept it and have another vehicle pick it up and transport it to the refinery 17:01:23 <Elukka> say, have a ship bring it to a dock and trains to transport it to the refinery 17:01:27 <Elukka> you have to use the transfer order 17:01:56 <CargoBoy> yes 17:01:58 <CargoBoy> thisi 17:02:04 <CargoBoy> this is what i want to do 17:02:18 <CargoBoy> drop oil in the train station 17:02:25 <Belugas> you can do that too, but bear in mind that the cargo dropped at the station will "vanish" slowly 17:02:29 <CargoBoy> and take it with a road transport 17:02:41 <Elukka> yeah that's doable 17:03:24 <CargoBoy> ooook 17:03:29 <Elukka> in the orders menu click transfer on the station where you want to it to drop off the oil 17:03:33 <CargoBoy> i'll try this 17:04:24 <CargoBoy> this is the thing that i missed 17:04:44 <CargoBoy> many thanks ;) 17:05:17 <CargoBoy> see you soon my friends :) 17:05:19 <CargoBoy> bye!! 17:05:29 *** CargoBoy [4f0b7dbf@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 17:11:55 *** welterde [welterde@thinkbase.srv.welterde.de] has joined #openttd 17:14:50 *** welterde [welterde@thinkbase.srv.welterde.de] has quit [] 17:14:53 *** welterde [welterde@thinkbase.srv.welterde.de] has joined #openttd 17:20:36 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-231-155-106-77.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 17:21:23 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-231-155-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [] 17:21:35 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 17:21:47 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-231-155-106-77.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 17:36:53 <supermop> hi 17:39:57 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@193.52.24.37] has joined #openttd 17:51:53 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r23945 /trunk/src/ (strings.cpp strings_func.h): -Fix: Better rounding when converting internal speed to displayed speed. 17:51:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r23946 /trunk/src/ (order_type.h timetable_cmd.cpp timetable_gui.cpp): -Codechange: Pass a proper enum instead of a bit flag to CmdChangeTimetable for indicating what to change. 17:52:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r23947 /trunk/src/ (15 files in 6 dirs): -Feature: Timetabled maximum travel speeds for non-flying vehicles. 17:52:04 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-56-215.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 17:53:48 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-86-49-73-178.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 17:54:31 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 18:03:42 *** Yacudzer [~yacudzer@ip244.net23.n37.ru] has joined #openttd 18:05:42 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0f234c.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 18:27:32 *** Firartix [~artixds@108.140.0.93.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 18:28:00 *** lugo [lugo@209.141.56.5] has quit [Quit: over and out] 18:31:17 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:31:39 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 18:32:30 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-231-155-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:32:54 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-231-155-106-77.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 18:38:46 <Yacudzer> hi all... could someone help with cyclotrons?? 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19:28:24 <SmatZ> CAN'T BE! 19:28:28 <SmatZ> hello :P 19:30:07 <dihedral> a dih-what? where? 19:30:38 <SmatZ> dih-e-drael 19:31:18 <SmatZ> http://dihedral.de/ : It works! :) 19:32:25 <dihedral> oh yep :-D 19:32:36 <dihedral> my fav last web setup was music.dihedral.de 19:32:54 <dihedral> an online music library in flash on my own server :-) 19:32:58 <SmatZ> NULL 19:33:01 <SmatZ> :P 19:33:04 <dihedral> /player 19:33:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r23948 /trunk/src/lang/ (6 files): (log message trimmed) 19:33:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 19:33:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belarusian - 31 changes by Wowanxm 19:33:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: english_US - 6 changes by Rubidium 19:33:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: finnish - 5 changes by jpx_ 19:33:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: italian - 3 changes by lorenzodv 19:33:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: lithuanian - 6 changes by Stabilitronas 19:34:14 <dihedral> i'll be back tonight ... i think :-P else tomorrow ;-) 19:34:33 <SmatZ> :) 19:34:46 <SmatZ> are you enjoying the Valentine's day evening? :) 19:35:23 <dihedral> i do not think we are going to do anything other than relax 19:35:48 <Alberth> that's a good day to celebrate valentine's day :) 19:35:48 <dihedral> my gf is a florist, and had to work late for all the blokes needing to buy something today ^^ 19:35:55 <SmatZ> :-) 19:37:01 <dihedral> well - i need to get a move on, else she aint gonna love me for being late - and that would be the end of a relaxed evening :-P 19:37:06 <dihedral> laters 19:37:26 <SmatZ> bye bye dih :) 19:37:40 <Alberth> bye, enjoy your evening :) 19:39:04 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-86-49-67-69.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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21:35:19 <supermop> what does that mean? 21:37:57 <__ln__> must be british english 21:41:00 <andythenorth> means, should I convert HEQS code to python + nml? 21:41:05 <andythenorth> from nfo 21:41:33 <supermop> is it easy or at least interesting to do? 21:41:46 <andythenorth> it's fun 21:41:52 <andythenorth> but offers no gameplay benefit 21:41:55 <andythenorth> it's bad engineering 21:42:01 <andythenorth> it might be good entertainment 21:42:02 <supermop> and are there future changes to heqs that will be helped by it? 21:42:26 <andythenorth> refit vehicles to varying numbers of trailers 21:42:33 <andythenorth> which is planned 21:42:41 <andythenorth> otherwise...no 21:42:54 *** lmergen [~lmergen@5352EA70.cm-6-3d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 21:44:31 <andythenorth> it would force me to decide whether to subclass objects or keep using squirrely 'if' statements 21:45:03 <andythenorth> e.g. 'tractor' might be a subclass of 'vehicle' 21:45:35 <andythenorth> or there might be lots of code like 'if type == tractor: stuff; elif type=='bulldozer': stuff; else: stuff 21:46:18 <andythenorth> also it means I can avoid drawing BANDIT 21:46:51 <supermop> ha 21:49:41 * Hirundo objects, prefers bandit instead 21:52:12 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:52:22 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 22:06:01 * andythenorth doesn't convert HEQS :P 22:06:25 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-103-191.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 22:09:12 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-45-182.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 22:13:15 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-231-155-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:13:56 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-131-218.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 22:13:59 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 22:15:00 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-82-57.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:15:35 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 22:18:00 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-45-182.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:20:54 <andythenorth> good night 22:20:57 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-169-180-203.range86-169.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:31:14 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-3-164.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 22:32:44 *** kais58_ [~kais58@cpc2-cwma8-2-0-cust293.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:33:20 <frosch123> night 22:33:23 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d00945c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:34:59 *** JVassie [~James@2.27.104.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:36:27 <Zuu> How would you make a 5 (or 6) answer question with the GameScript dialogs which can at most have 3 buttons? 22:36:30 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-131-218.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:37:37 <Hirundo> For a really fun UI, use the 4th dimension (aka time) ;-) 22:37:45 <Zuu> Perhaps like a wizard with (prev), Start, Next. 22:37:55 <Hirundo> ie click this button after 1 sec for answer A, 2 sec for answer B, etc 22:37:59 <Zuu> Where start picks the scenario. 22:38:06 <Hirundo> though your suggestion seems more appropriate :-) 22:38:27 <Zuu> Especially as there are no generic buttons for making a tree selection. 22:38:39 <Hirundo> It's a scenario picker? 22:39:06 <Zuu> Eg. click 1 for chapter 1 or 2, click 2 for chapter 3 and 4, ... and then a second question below that one. 22:39:20 <Zuu> Its a chapter selection dialog. 22:39:36 <Zuu> For the tutorial. 22:39:38 <Hirundo> then <prev start next> makes sense 22:39:59 <Hirundo> you can also add a few short descriptions of what they learn in that chapter 22:40:29 <Zuu> yep thats a bonus with this approach. 22:41:00 <Hirundo> such mental preparation can be useful, also it might help if you don't remember exactly at which point you quit last time 22:42:43 <TWerkhoven> 3 22:45:56 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-86-49-67-69.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 22:48:20 *** kais58 [~kais58@cpc2-cwma8-2-0-cust293.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 22:55:08 *** peteris [~peteris@78.84.97.170] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:55:14 <dihedral> oi 22:55:58 *** lmergen [~lmergen@5352EA70.cm-6-3d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:56:40 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@57.Red-88-19-214.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 22:58:07 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@57.Red-88-19-214.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 22:59:01 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@57.Red-88-19-214.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 23:00:34 *** kais58 [~kais58@cpc2-cwma8-2-0-cust293.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:09:22 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has quit [Quit: Popidopidopido] 23:20:33 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:37:50 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-23-41-5.brhm.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:40:46 <Wolf01> 'night 23:40:51 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host101-141-dynamic.31-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:48:53 *** MJP [~TdlQ@hq.z77.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:56:04 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d142-179-78-88.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd