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There seem to many layers for snow. E.g. snow layer 1 toggles the snow on the main building. snow layer 2 toggles it on a fence, etc. Why not just have a snow layer that toggles snow on everything? 11:36:35 <planetmaker> again: easier to change. E.g. consider you want to remove the fence... 11:37:09 <planetmaker> consider sprites not as monolithic but as modular things composed of different individual parts 11:37:59 <swissfan91> I see. Thanks! 11:39:07 <swissfan91> also - I am drawing an alpine meadow. Obviously, I want this to be able to go over various types of sloped terrain. Do I just draw meadow sprites for all slope angles, and the coder will make it 'work'? 11:39:57 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-153.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 11:56:36 <planetmaker> well. Yes. 11:58:20 <swissfan91> in very simple terms :P 11:58:36 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.95.227] has joined #openttd 11:58:43 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@cybertinus.jkit.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:58:44 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@cybertinus.jkit.nl] has joined #openttd 12:01:39 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 12:30:59 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-43-55.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:36:04 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:3dd4:f30e:ee23:7d1a] has joined #openttd 12:36:08 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:58:16 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-90-14.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:58:39 <Belugas> hello 12:59:00 *** swissfan91 [027ae4c4@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 13:15:45 *** Hazzard [~7b7b69a2@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:15:55 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:16:10 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-43-55.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:17:02 *** Joel_A [55e4cf9f@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 13:17:05 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@178.63.83.101] has joined #openttd 13:22:19 <Joel_A> what do you guys use for viewing .lng files? I've tried with both Notepad and Notepad++, but they show the files in a rather messy way - not at all as cleanly presented as when I view them in the repository :( 13:23:03 <Eddi|zuHause> what lang file? 13:23:55 <Joel_A> in this case FIRS english.lng, but I don't think it depends on the .lng file itself 13:24:10 <Eddi|zuHause> and what's wrong with it? 13:25:45 <Joel_A> for starters it doesn't show me two separate columns with parameters and values respectively 13:26:38 <Eddi|zuHause> and i have to drag every single bit of information out of your nose?? 13:26:41 <Joel_A> it's all a mass of running text with a lot of weird (control?)characters added 13:27:00 <Eddi|zuHause> then it's not FIRS lang file 13:27:03 <Joel_A> actually, it comes through my fingers... 13:27:27 <Joel_A> what is not FIRS lang file? 13:27:54 <Eddi|zuHause> whichever file you are reading 13:28:01 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not from FIRS 13:28:22 <Joel_A> oh, so the lang file from FIRS repository isn't from FIRS? 13:28:56 *** Hazzard [~7b7b69a2@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 13:29:11 <Hazzard> Hi 13:29:20 <Eddi|zuHause> whatever you opened, it's not from the firs repository 13:29:36 <Joel_A> hello Hazzard 13:30:40 <Joel_A> and what makes you (think you) know files downloaded from the repository isn't from the repository Eddi? 13:32:19 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not questioning you downloading files from FIRS repository, i'm questioning you opening the files you downloaded from FIRS repository. 13:33:12 <FLHerne> Are you trying to open the compiled version or something? That would probably look a bit odd... 13:33:14 <Joel_A> okay, well... I don't have a lot of other lang files lying around 13:37:00 <Joel_A> the r2823 english lang seem to work in Notepad++ now (not in Notepad though, but that's no problem) so I don't know what was wrong earlier 13:37:15 <Joel_A> either way, the problem is gone :) 13:37:52 <Joel_A> thanks for your advice 13:56:19 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-153.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 14:00:52 <LordAro> debian unstable - a good choice for main desktop? 14:02:50 *** Industrial [~industria@194.145.194.227] has joined #openttd 14:03:32 <Eddi|zuHause> don't use debian for anything that you touch more than twice a year 14:05:42 <Industrial> Hi. I'm new to TTD though I did play it as a child. I'm reading http://wiki.openttd.org/Signals#Pre-signals and I was thinking; can't this illustrated problem be solved by removing the one way signals just before the station? 14:07:42 <Industrial> i'm really looking for examples of T splits etc 14:08:16 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, you can remove the signals before the stations, if you switch the other signal to a path signal 14:14:11 <Industrial> http://i.imgur.com/kSopm.png Guess I have some improvement to do? ^^ 14:15:30 <NGC3982> that looks neat? 14:16:05 <Industrial> I'm not sure if I should be creating those with bridges/tunnels 14:16:10 *** Hazzard [~7b7b69a2@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:16:13 <Industrial> the T splits 14:16:44 <NGC3982> im no pro, but i'd build a circular ring 14:16:53 <NGC3982> so trains never change direction 14:17:01 <Eddi|zuHause> Industrial: these are fine for low traffic 14:18:19 <Eddi|zuHause> Industrial: but you should seriously consider using path signals everywhere 14:22:15 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-88-84.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 14:22:45 *** mal2_ [~mal2@port-92-206-222-44.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 14:23:21 *** Hazzard [~7b7b69a2@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 14:27:24 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-63-5.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:28:05 <NGC3982> Industrial: since it looks you are about to use those railway lines for traffic other then oil, i suggest making a one-way circle system. that way, you will cut the traffic down to >|50%, and with that, the ability to add more trains on the westerlum > helleldam line. 14:28:11 <NGC3982> other then that, it looks nicer. 14:28:15 <NGC3982> but thats just me :) 14:37:23 *** Joel_A [55e4cf9f@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 14:40:57 <Industrial> k :) 14:49:11 *** Chris_Booth is now known as Guest900 14:49:17 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host81-154-230-134.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:50:40 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:53:27 <andythenorth> lo 14:53:29 *** Guest900 [~chatzilla@host81-154-230-134.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:53:53 <Eddi|zuHause> you forgot an l :p 14:55:56 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.151.112] has joined #openttd 15:04:49 *** Hazzard [~7b7b69a2@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:10:29 *** swissfan91 [027ae4c4@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:12:24 <swissfan91> can anyone point me to the station building tutorial? I can't seem to find it. 15:14:15 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.115.87.4] has joined #openttd 15:14:23 <Eddi|zuHause> tried that way? -> 15:14:38 *** swissfan91 [027ae4c4@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [] 15:14:46 *** swissfan91 [027ae4c4@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:20:51 <swissfan91> it could have been by Purno :S 15:21:08 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6AF74.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:25:45 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host81-154-230-134.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:29:44 * andythenorth plays openttd 15:30:44 <swissfan91> this may be a stupid question but... when drawing a station tile.. how big a gap do you leave for the tracks? 15:33:11 <andythenorth> swissfan91: http://hg.openttdcoop.org/chips/raw-file/acc62d60883d/sprites/graphics/groundtiles.png 15:33:20 <andythenorth> ^ they are FAIL with railtype newgrfs though 15:33:33 <andythenorth> the only sane answer is to draw for the default tracks 15:33:40 <andythenorth> this will break with railtype newgrfs 15:33:45 <andythenorth> [shrug] 15:35:30 <swissfan91> so, you mean it won't show the loaded rail set, always default tracks? 15:36:12 <andythenorth> it will show the railset 15:36:23 <andythenorth> but the railset may break your station 15:36:39 <andythenorth> by being too wide / too narrow etc 15:37:04 <swissfan91> so nutracks are wider than original tracks? 15:37:14 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/2844/chips_pikka_tracks.png 15:37:26 <swissfan91> oh. 15:38:01 <swissfan91> too narrow leading to grass showing through? 15:38:56 <Djohaal> those are very narrow 15:41:17 <swissfan91> from what I remember from the station tutorial, you have to draw stations in two layers, foreground and background, correct? 15:41:38 <andythenorth> yes 15:42:11 <andythenorth> swissfan91: explore the CHIPS source if that helps http://hg.openttdcoop.org/chips/file/acc62d60883d/sprites/graphics 15:42:11 <swissfan91> do I do this by creating two separate sprites (e.g. in the example you just sent) or by using the layers function of a drawing program? 15:42:21 <andythenorth> separate sprites 15:42:35 <andythenorth> layers might help your editing 15:42:40 <andythenorth> but makes no difference to the grf 15:43:39 <swissfan91> ah I see. 15:43:55 *** LordAro [d92b1b57@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 15:45:38 <swissfan91> I see the CHIPS sprites are all in 4x4 sprite sheets. Are these the cargo-dependent variations? 15:45:56 <andythenorth> yes 15:46:00 <andythenorth> the layout is up to you 15:46:05 <andythenorth> I just found that one convenient 15:47:04 <swissfan91> it does seem pretty handy. IIRC, station tiles can be coded so that you can click on them to cycle through different variations? 15:48:11 <andythenorth> yes 15:48:18 <andythenorth> hmm 15:48:28 <andythenorth> 256x256 map, industries 'normal' 15:48:32 <andythenorth> I have about 1 of each 15:48:36 <andythenorth> and I'm using pikka grfs 15:48:38 <andythenorth> in 1870 15:48:45 <andythenorth> it's hard to build chains :P 15:48:54 <andythenorth> due to slow expensive vehicles 15:49:11 <andythenorth> no mines next to steel mills :P 15:54:22 <andythenorth> hmm 15:54:26 <andythenorth> FISH needs auto-refit :P 15:56:17 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-034-082.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 15:56:26 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, and multi-bay ships if you're at it :p 15:56:59 <andythenorth> one is in the spec 15:57:01 <andythenorth> one is not :P 15:57:04 <andythenorth> fix the spec :P 15:57:11 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d008886.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:57:13 <andythenorth> then maybe $someone can implement it 15:57:23 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: ^ see he always comes at the right moment 15:57:25 <andythenorth> it's uncanny 15:57:48 <andythenorth> also $someone should make a decent tram set 15:57:51 <andythenorth> are there any? 16:01:20 <swissfan91> Could you look at 'Basic Grey.psd' on here and see if I have the correct idea? http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3967 16:03:25 <andythenorth> you need to split it into two sprites for the sprite sorter 16:03:27 <andythenorth> otherwise yes 16:03:46 <andythenorth> [it has to draw some in front of vehicles and some behind, so two split sprites needed] 16:04:14 <swissfan91> indeed, when I publish the sprites anywhere, I'll split them. They're in layers within the .psd, so it will be trivial to do. 16:06:04 <swissfan91> if I draw stations in this manner - they'll take the loaded trackset? There's nothing more annoying than station sets in OTTD that show the default rails all the time. 16:09:17 <Eddi|zuHause> swissfan91: that's a matter of coding 16:09:48 <swissfan91> ah, ok. 16:10:27 <swissfan91> I don't know whether to make a TARS station set (a bit silly, but keeps the TARS thing going), or perhaps do a Swiss Station set, or even merge with DACH. 16:10:29 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B336.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:11:06 <Eddi|zuHause> what would be the difference? 16:11:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i think you need to actually finish a set, instead of starting ever more ones... 16:11:47 * andythenorth wonders what Pikka thinks the point of the 0-6-0 goods is 16:11:53 <andythenorth> @seen pikka 16:11:53 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: pikka was last seen in #openttd 2 weeks, 6 days, 2 hours, 25 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <Pikka> nah 16:11:55 <andythenorth> bah 16:12:09 <Eddi|zuHause> imho, we have Enough(tm) station sets. 16:12:57 <andythenorth> you only need one :P 16:13:03 <andythenorth> and I've made it :P 16:13:08 * andythenorth adopts arrogance mode 16:13:49 <swissfan91> yes, I know about all the sets being a bit much. The main problem is a lack of coder. Yes, I could learn it, but that's at least a job until after exams. When I get an urge to draw something, I'd rather just draw it without worrying that it isn't part of the town set, object set etc. 16:16:04 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-034-082.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 16:18:30 <swissfan91> at least I'm starting sets with some drawing content, as opposed to just starting loads of sets with just plans. 16:18:53 <andythenorth> ach don't be put off 16:18:59 <andythenorth> if you enjoy drawing, draw ;) 16:19:11 <andythenorth> there's no purpose to any of this anyway 16:20:18 <Eddi|zuHause> swissfan91: i guess the logical next step would be to copy some basic object (or house, industry, ...) code from somewhere, to get your sprites into the game without a lot of functionality. 16:20:43 * andythenorth ponders 16:20:54 <andythenorth> 'logs' instead of 'wood' for GB translation of FIRS? 16:21:17 <swissfan91> hmmm, well I have Wallyweb coding my objects - they're nearly v0.1. 16:21:23 <swissfan91> for towns, yes - perhaps. 16:21:35 <swissfan91> industries - I'm working with George for ECS. 16:21:50 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Yes, IMO 16:22:09 <andythenorth> it looks odd to have 'wood' and 'timber' 16:22:16 <andythenorth> 'timber' is lumber - sawn, finished wood 16:22:43 <FLHerne> rename 'timber' then 16:22:48 <FLHerne> :P 16:22:57 <andythenorth> hmm 16:22:58 *** Nat_aS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 16:23:04 <andythenorth> why? 16:23:11 <FLHerne> or wood even, or both... 16:23:31 * FLHerne drifts away from reality again 16:23:35 <andythenorth> timber is the translated version :P 16:23:54 <andythenorth> is it wrong? 16:24:02 <Nat_aS> morning 16:24:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not an expert, but i'd thought timber was the output of the saw mill 16:24:33 <andythenorth> in GB english, I think so 16:24:47 <andythenorth> so lumber (US / Canadian) was changed to timber 16:24:52 <andythenorth> but that's wrong apparently 16:25:06 * andythenorth is confused 16:31:37 <andythenorth> hmm 16:31:48 * FLHerne now thinks timber is right 16:31:50 <andythenorth> sensible canal costs make a big difference to the gameplay 16:32:28 <FLHerne> Lower or higher than default? I find them rather too expensive normally 16:43:51 <swissfan91> buffer tiles are non-track tiles aren't they? train's can't run half way onto them.. ? 16:55:06 *** kais58 [~kais58@cpc2-cwma8-2-0-cust293.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:01:45 *** namad7 [aaaaa@c-67-163-246-17.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [] 17:06:10 *** namad7 [aaaaa@c-67-163-246-17.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:06:35 *** hackalittlebit [57c4cab0@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 17:07:59 * andythenorth thinks the FIRS 'improved' station rating might be too generous 17:09:58 <hackalittlebit> Is 'random seed' used only for creating map (height) or is it also used for other stuff? Like position of industries towns etc, 17:12:33 <hackalittlebit> frosch123: 17:12:57 <frosch123> for everything :) 17:13:06 <frosch123> landshape, towns, industries, trees, ... 17:13:29 <hackalittlebit> ok 17:14:08 <hackalittlebit> everytime you open that screen new seed is given 17:14:11 <frosch123> the seed itself is not very useful, everything (all mapgen settings, certain adv. settings, newgrf, ottd version, ..) must be the same to be sure the get the same map 17:14:27 <hackalittlebit> do you need button to generate? 17:14:53 <frosch123> the "rerandomize" button? hmm, maybe not :) 17:15:13 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 17:15:16 <hackalittlebit> agreed :) one less 17:15:18 *** Nat_aS is now known as Nat_AFK 17:18:35 *** hackalittlebit [57c4cab0@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 17:20:35 <andythenorth> it's very annoying when clicking on a dock to add it as an order 17:20:48 *** Nat_AFK is now known as Nat_aS 17:20:56 <andythenorth> ...that if a ship is loading there, the click instead is grabbed by the ship 17:20:59 <andythenorth> causing shared orders 17:21:06 <andythenorth> this is new? 17:21:15 <Nat_aS> man, starting with industries that aren't wood is hard 17:21:22 <Nat_aS> takes forever to repay your loan 17:22:05 <andythenorth> don't repay it 17:22:06 <andythenorth> keep it 17:22:48 <Nat_aS> it takes forever to earn enough money to build new lines/trains then 17:24:46 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 17:25:53 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 17:36:52 *** swissfan91 [027ae4c4@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 17:39:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r24213 /trunk/src/lang/ (11 files): (log message trimmed) 17:39:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:39:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: afrikaans - 19 changes by telanus 17:39:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belarusian - 39 changes by Wowanxm 17:39:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: czech - 10 changes by Paragulis 17:39:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 35 changes by habell 17:39:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 39 changes by planetmaker 17:41:17 <Sacro> \o/ 17:43:33 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.151.112] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 17:43:48 <Terkhen> hello 17:44:03 <Sacro> is a Terkhen a female Turkey? 17:44:15 <Terkhen> last time I checked, no 17:45:23 <Sacro> curious *makes notes* 17:48:33 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-131-63.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 17:49:03 <frosch123> Sacro: if you use google's image search, you will notice that "terkhen" is synonymous to "openttd" 17:49:21 <Terkhen> there is other stuff too :P 17:49:37 <frosch123> http://users.tt-forums.net/petert/files/ottd-pr0n.png <- true 17:55:11 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.151.112] has joined #openttd 17:55:48 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-250-2-219.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 17:55:50 <supermop> Hi all 17:55:55 <Terkhen> I hope that's not associated with my nickname in any way 17:55:56 <Terkhen> hi supermop 17:56:11 <supermop> if I post some borrowed code, can someone tell me why it doesn't work? 17:56:26 <supermop> its nml depot code 17:56:45 <Terkhen> depot? 17:57:12 <supermop> to replace depot graphics depending on railtype 18:00:30 *** Industrial [~industria@194.145.194.227] has left #openttd [WeeChat 0.3.5] 18:08:53 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.232.234.29] has joined #openttd 18:09:16 <Wolf01> evenink 18:12:10 <NGC3982> frosch123: :-O 18:13:21 <supermop> ok I posted what I am trying to work with: 18:13:31 <supermop> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=48605&p=1014343#p1014343 18:24:04 <supermop> can I just delete the parts that check for the other newgrfs, and just check only for the railtypes? 18:28:29 *** kais58 [~kais58@cpc2-cwma8-2-0-cust293.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:28:37 *** kaenkky_ [~kaenkky_@212-226-75-249-nat.elisa-mobile.fi] has joined #openttd 18:30:22 *** kaenkky [~kaenkky_@212-226-42-69-nat.elisa-mobile.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:37:36 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 18:42:02 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 18:58:20 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d0830c8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:59:12 *** amelia [~amelia@host-78-144-143-160.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 19:05:08 *** pawel [~pawel@093105067003.legnica.vectranet.pl] has joined #openttd 19:05:19 *** pawel [~pawel@093105067003.legnica.vectranet.pl] has quit [] 19:05:57 <Zuu> I've noticed that bin/docs/32bpp.txt is out of date. AFIK the overriding via png files is no longer possible. 19:06:53 <frosch123> fs#5112 :) 19:07:25 <Zuu> hmm, it did not show up when I searched for the filename in th bug tracker. 19:07:40 <Zuu> eg. just "32bpp.txt" 19:08:20 <frosch123> you have to check "search in comments" 19:08:35 <Zuu> oh 19:12:23 <supermop> anyone good with nml around? 19:16:37 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 19:22:04 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-034-082.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 19:28:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r24214 /trunk/src/window.cpp: -Fix [FS#5159] (r22794): The confirmation window to abort world generation was hidden during world generation, so actually you could not abort it. 19:29:59 *** telanus1 [~Barney_Er@196.215.173.116] has left #openttd [QUIT :Leaving.] 19:56:43 *** lugo [GBerten293@oxygen.evosurge.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:02:49 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@modemcable085.125-161-184.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 20:02:51 <drac_boy> hi 20:10:57 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:3dd4:f30e:ee23:7d1a] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:11:08 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:3dd4:f30e:ee23:7d1a] has joined #openttd 20:22:55 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host81-154-230-134.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:23:15 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B336.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:23:26 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-86-49-73-116.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 20:23:33 <Wolf01> 'night all 20:23:36 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.232.234.29] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:23:36 <cypher> Panove, potrebuju nekoho na dust2 spectnout hrace travas cze 20:23:49 <cypher> Wrong room, sry. 20:24:27 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@85.210.71.8] has joined #openttd 20:29:24 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.70.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:33:12 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.65.3] has joined #openttd 20:37:58 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@85.210.71.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:38:38 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@85.210.71.211] has joined #openttd 20:40:56 *** KingPixaIII [~pixa@85.210.69.171] has joined #openttd 20:44:13 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.65.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:44:44 *** GBerten2936 [GBerten293@209.141.56.155] has joined #openttd 20:46:43 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@85.210.71.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:49:19 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:51:19 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d142-179-78-231.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 20:56:45 <Yexo> supermop: I'm around now. If you had asked your real question I could have answered it. 21:02:13 <frosch123> Yexo: he posted on the forums 21:07:37 <Terkhen> good night 21:09:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r24215 /trunk/src/lang/ (czech.txt luxembourgish.txt polish.txt): -Fix: Translations. 21:09:35 <amelia> nn Terkhen 21:15:04 <frosch123> is there any volunteer to check all scenarios on bananas whether they are completely broken due to removed/changed newgrfs, so we can delete them? 21:15:18 <frosch123> they start to annoy me :s 21:19:34 <Yexo> write a tool that marks all scenarios where any newgrfs have been changed? 21:19:51 <Yexo> perhaps also all scenarios with only firs/ecs newgrfs without any other (so no vehicles) 21:20:08 <Yexo> shouldn't that find the biggest part of the broken ones? 21:20:17 <frosch123> likely :) 21:20:47 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.95.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:24:33 <frosch123> night 21:24:35 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d008886.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:28:37 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 21:30:38 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@modemcable085.125-161-184.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [I'm done being in this room!] 21:34:22 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host81-154-230-134.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:42:38 *** TWerkhoven2[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 21:42:55 *** Nat_aS is now known as Nat_AFK 21:43:24 <supermop> Hi, yes I put it up on the forum, 21:43:42 <supermop> I can't understand why it doesn't work with nutracks 21:47:08 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 21:55:52 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:56:37 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has quit [Quit: Popidopidopido] 22:00:23 *** kais58 [~kais58@cpc2-cwma8-2-0-cust293.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:06:03 <TrueBrain> miep miep 22:06:07 <TrueBrain> ZOEF 22:06:28 <amelia> ? 22:06:33 <TrueBrain> ! 22:06:43 <amelia> !! 22:06:57 <TrueBrain> now you are just spamming 22:07:22 <amelia> You started it.. I am just an innocent caught in the crossfire :P 22:07:49 <TrueBrain> excuses! 22:08:16 <amelia> never! 22:08:26 <TrueBrain> so you admit? :D 22:09:02 <amelia> Nevar!! 22:09:13 <TrueBrain> Surrender, or I will call a duel on you! 22:09:17 <TrueBrain> my train against yours 22:09:27 <TrueBrain> would be the worst game of chicken 22:09:40 <TrueBrain> might not be the best idea :D 22:09:40 <amelia> You wouldn't dare, Patric! My train comes with over 9000 carriages! Never has a platform handled my entire set! 22:09:49 <TrueBrain> OVER 9000?! 22:10:19 <TrueBrain> I have a special card for that .. ah, here it is: 42! 22:10:21 <TrueBrain> ha 22:10:27 <TrueBrain> now all your carriages are pidgons 22:10:27 * amelia :O 22:10:32 <Eddi|zuHause> amelia: you can only have 250 axles on german (and presumably most other european) tracks 22:10:47 <TrueBrain> says who? 22:10:51 <amelia> Eddi|zuHause: they're very long carriages with few axles :) 22:11:03 <TrueBrain> nothing money can't fix 22:11:07 <amelia> TrueBrain: I have a special card for THAT.... my Zero Wing card! 22:11:12 <amelia> All your trains are belong to me! 22:11:27 <TrueBrain> dammit .... told you it would be the worst game of chicken! 22:11:54 *** GBerten2936 [GBerten293@209.141.56.155] has quit [Quit: EvoSurge - Free & Premium IRC Bouncers on Demand - http://evosurge.com/] 22:12:01 <Eddi|zuHause> amelia: you can't even all your base someone correctly... you fail. 22:12:32 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: this is our battle 22:12:38 <TrueBrain> bugger off :P 22:12:40 <TrueBrain> <3 Eddi|zuHause 22:12:42 <TrueBrain> j/k 22:13:10 <amelia> Eddi|zuHause: shush. you have no chance to survive make your time. 22:13:16 <Eddi|zuHause> it would be "all your train are belong to us!!" 22:13:48 <amelia> it would, except it's my card, so they now belong to me.. I'd say us, but I really have been trying to keep my other personality at bay ;) 22:15:52 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d0830c8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us] 22:16:22 <TrueBrain> pompiedom 22:17:16 *** Hazzard [~72f64385@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 22:17:17 <amelia> Poppadom? 22:17:34 <TrueBrain> correct reply is: lalala 22:20:11 <TrueBrain> waiting for a download to finish ... 22:20:13 <TrueBrain> disk full 22:20:15 <TrueBrain> well, then I can wait for ever 22:20:18 <TrueBrain> *sigh* 22:20:24 <TrueBrain> does it show I am bored? Hmm 22:21:01 <amelia> Indeed 22:24:50 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.151.112] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 22:25:06 <Eddi|zuHause> dubdidu 22:26:08 <Hazzard> Hi 22:26:19 <TrueBrain> hello 22:29:37 <Eddi|zuHause> funnily, if you google for "pompiedom lalala", then #openttd logs are one of the first results 22:30:03 <Eddi|zuHause> if you skip all the dutch results 22:30:45 <TrueBrain> I do appoligize for that :D 22:31:28 <Eddi|zuHause> no actual explanation what it means comes up though... 22:31:47 <TrueBrain> honestly, I have no clue either :P 22:32:00 <TrueBrain> to me it is like a marco polo ... 22:35:40 *** [1]Mark [~Mark@5ED06D58.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 22:35:42 *** Mark is now known as Guest935 22:35:43 *** [1]Mark is now known as Mark 22:35:49 *** Guest935 [~Mark@5ED06D58.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:36:03 <Eddi|zuHause> if you google for "palim palim", then the first result is the wikipedia page about it... 22:38:04 <TrueBrain> why would I google that? 22:41:10 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: your post is funny ;) Factories are part of classes .. or objects rather, but meh :P 22:41:14 <TrueBrain> so I don't get how you don't get it :D 22:41:31 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-250-2-219.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 22:41:43 <TrueBrain> other options are stuff like: this->GetInteger(), this->GetShort(), etc 22:41:48 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. the second part is a later stage of thinking than the first part :p 22:41:48 <TrueBrain> where it fetches from a bitstream 22:42:00 <TrueBrain> but I think via templates it is much nicer 22:42:09 <TrueBrain> we have shown with Squirrel that we can do it with templates 22:43:01 <TrueBrain> but it is kinda intrusive on the current way of doing, so .. will need to make a proof-of-concept etc, and see what others think 22:43:13 <TrueBrain> for sure would improve the readability of commands, as atm ... all the bitpacking .. ugh 22:43:23 *** mal2_ [~mal2@port-92-206-222-44.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:46:30 <TrueBrain> but yeah, that was basically what I had in mind ;) 22:46:30 <Eddi|zuHause> some of the bitstuffing is already offloaded into helper functions 22:51:42 <TrueBrain> how I see it, it is just bookkeeping 22:51:53 <TrueBrain> and for that you need a class, so the network knows how many bits/bytes to send 22:51:55 <TrueBrain> ;) 22:52:04 <TrueBrain> force BE over network (as networks are BE) 22:52:07 <TrueBrain> and it should be done :P 22:55:09 <TrueBrain> then again, I might be wrong :D 22:55:11 <TrueBrain> anyway, night all 22:56:53 <Eddi|zuHause> how is BE/LE relevant? should just be the same everywhere 22:57:31 <Eddi|zuHause> probably should use the same as in savegames, as the conversion functions for that could be reused 23:13:01 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 23:24:43 *** Hazzard [~72f64385@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:28:12 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-034-082.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 23:28:57 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:3dd4:f30e:ee23:7d1a] has quit [Quit: bye] 23:54:13 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-131-63.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving]