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alright, thanks. 10:51:54 *** Hazzard [~7c418246@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 11:03:04 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-107-21.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 11:08:07 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-13-176.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:17:12 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-065-018.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 11:21:24 *** Hazzard [~7c418246@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:29:09 *** Progman_ [~progman@p57A1AACC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:32:37 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AACC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:32:42 *** Progman_ is now known as Progman 11:36:13 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.151.112] has joined #openttd 11:50:53 <Rubidium> what shall we do this WITH!!! Monday? 11:56:19 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:7c17:b6a3:f75c:f3d0] has joined #openttd 11:56:22 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:08:13 <Alberth> break the light barrier 12:18:47 <Eddi|zuHause> erect a light barrier 12:32:21 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-107-21.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:38:03 *** telanus1 [~Barney_Er@196-210-244-73.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:41:58 *** kkimlabs_ [~kkimlabs@cpe-69-203-124-125.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Rage Quit] 12:52:36 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-107-21.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 12:55:56 *** Knogle [knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:10:06 *** APTX [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:13:27 *** JayGuerette [~JayGueret@c-75-67-219-203.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 13:16:04 <CIA-17> OpenTTD: frosch * r24295 /trunk/src/lang/english.txt: -Fix: STRING1 probably means STRING1. 13:18:31 <Sacro> \o/ 13:19:21 <Belugas> hi 13:20:36 <Alberth> hi 13:21:11 <CIA-17> OpenTTD: frosch * r24296 /trunk/src/settings_gui.cpp: -Codechange: No need to pass a member variable to a member function. 13:21:22 *** Hazzard [~72f58a64@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 13:23:24 <Belugas> hello Alberth 13:23:36 *** KouDy [~KouDy@175.137.96.199] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:24:17 *** KouDy [~KouDy@175.137.96.199] has joined #openttd 13:24:43 <CIA-17> OpenTTD: frosch * r24297 /trunk/src/settings_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Split DParam-setup for drawing setting values to a separate function. 13:26:50 <CIA-17> OpenTTD: frosch * r24298 /trunk/src/ (lang/english.txt settings_gui.cpp): -Feature: Display default values for adv. settings in the settings description. 13:37:03 <CIA-17> OpenTTD: frosch * r24299 /trunk/src/object_gui.cpp: -Change [FS#5057]: Center object previews in 1- and 2-view selectors based on the 4-view selector layout. 14:11:03 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6DF53.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 14:16:26 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.163.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:28:26 *** CornishPasty [u158@irccloud.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:30:39 *** Adrian [~58982fcc@webuser.thegrebs.com] has joined #openttd 14:33:47 <Adrian> When i stop serviving a station (i.e. picking up cargo), how long does it take for this cargo to no longer being listed? I built a coal station close to another one and rerouted my trains there. But i don't want coal to be wasted, waiting at the former station, along with the appaling rating it gets there. 14:34:00 <Adrian> *servicing 14:35:06 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:36:39 <frosch123> currently there is no other way than deleting the old station 14:38:17 <Adrian> i see, can i rebuilt it right after, or will the association return with it? 14:42:09 <Adrian> Ok just fired up the game, the association returns with it. So no luck. The station is big and otherwise important, so i can't sacrifice it. Either way, thanks for your answer. 14:44:03 *** Adrian [~58982fcc@webuser.thegrebs.com] has quit [Quit: TheGrebs.com CGI:IRC] 14:48:14 *** Hazzard [~72f58a64@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:56:15 *** CornishPasty [users.158@brockwell.irccloud.com] has joined #openttd 15:08:54 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e09ee84.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 15:30:11 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:33:27 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 15:35:05 *** APTX [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 15:40:13 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:46:47 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 16:10:11 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:10:45 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-166-70.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 16:16:06 *** kkimlabs [~kkimlabs@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 16:19:07 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 16:20:08 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-89-176-205-226.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:20:11 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 16:25:29 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:27:45 *** Firartix [~artixds@207.140.0.93.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 16:38:30 *** Nat_AFK is now known as Nat_aS 16:38:51 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 16:46:00 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:47:47 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:47:49 <Terkhen> hello 16:48:02 <andythenorth> lo 16:54:21 <Alberth> hi hi 17:06:14 *** mal2__ [~mal2@port-92-206-30-165.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 17:13:50 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 17:15:41 *** julien0 [~quassel@88-190-15-59.rev.dedibox.fr] has left #openttd [Bye] 17:23:12 * Alberth is very happy with moving guests in the FreeRCT program 17:23:21 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:24:28 <Alberth> hi andy, did you have a chance to look at the trs python files yet? I am somewhat stuck on how to bring it to life tbh 17:25:17 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.232.234.29] has joined #openttd 17:25:42 <Wolf01> hello 17:26:13 <andythenorth> Alberth: sorry no 17:26:28 <Alberth> basically it's a library of functionality that you need to talk to through some network connection, eg http or xmpp, or so. Unfortunately, I have no idea how to make the latter 17:26:52 <andythenorth> have you tried poking at one of the off-the-shelf python frameworks? 17:27:20 <andythenorth> for example, bottle or flask? 17:27:25 <andythenorth> just to teach yourself? 17:27:35 <andythenorth> http://bottlepy.org/docs/dev/ 17:27:48 <andythenorth> http://flask.pocoo.org/ 17:28:04 <Alberth> I had a look at cherrypy iirc 17:28:06 <andythenorth> if you don't mind that I don't actually know what I'm talking about, I can explain the basic concepts 17:28:11 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has joined #openttd 17:29:15 <Alberth> I don't understand how such a framework can help me transport data from user-app to my app and back 17:29:33 <andythenorth> cherrypy looks interesting and nice, but non-standard 17:29:38 <andythenorth> I've heard of it before 17:29:55 <Alberth> or, if you're talking a web-frontend, how to connect to my app from a web-app 17:30:08 <andythenorth> does your app handle the reading and writing of data already? 17:30:34 <Alberth> I had JSON in mind for now 17:30:46 <Alberth> a simple set of files 17:30:50 <andythenorth> k 17:31:24 <andythenorth> so, with caveat that I don't know what I'm talking about... 17:31:38 <Alberth> that's ok, I don't know either :p 17:31:39 <andythenorth> the basic concepts are: 17:32:06 <andythenorth> - request. This is a http request with header, post / get vars etc. Mostly you don't need to worry about this, the browser + server handle it 17:32:21 <andythenorth> - response. What you return to the browser for any given request 17:33:08 <andythenorth> - routing. For a given request, you need to know how to handle it, e.g which classes might be called etc. This is equivalent to a dispatcher pattern. 17:33:18 * Alberth nods 17:33:24 <andythenorth> - authentication / permissions. Security stuff :P 17:33:43 <andythenorth> - session. A way of holding state temporarily, a black art to me :P 17:33:59 <Alberth> REST has no session state :) 17:34:03 <TinoDidriksen> What do you want to do? 17:34:23 <Alberth> write a new translation service 17:35:01 <Alberth> with a backend with the real functionality, and possibly several front-ends 17:35:17 <Alberth> ie a web service, but also a download to a desktop machine 17:35:52 <TinoDidriksen> Centrally coordinated via the web service, or working on offline data? 17:35:53 <andythenorth> just provide the web app for the desktop machine :P 17:36:30 <Alberth> the backend has the data, and handles updates, etc 17:36:54 <Alberth> you can ask for things that need to be translated and/or send translated stuff back 17:37:00 <andythenorth> so the backend is an app with classes / methods.... 17:37:18 <andythenorth> and your WSGI app needs to dispatch requests and return responses to/from those 17:37:19 <Alberth> yeah sort of RPC 17:38:01 <Alberth> I am trying to make the backend, but I need something so I can talk to it, and do tests etc :) 17:38:16 <TinoDidriksen> SQL storage, web frontend with exposed callbacks/RPC for desktop apps to communicate with. 17:38:37 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:38:43 <CIA-17> OpenTTD: translators * r24300 /trunk/src/lang/ (9 files): (log message trimmed) 17:38:43 <CIA-17> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:38:43 <CIA-17> OpenTTD: belarusian - 2 changes by Wowanxm 17:38:43 <CIA-17> OpenTTD: czech - 1 changes by Eskymak 17:38:43 <CIA-17> OpenTTD: danish - 10 changes by beruic 17:38:45 <CIA-17> OpenTTD: english_US - 1 changes by Rubidium 17:38:45 <CIA-17> OpenTTD: finnish - 1 changes by jpx_ 17:38:53 <Alberth> I was thinking simple files instead of SQL, but yeah 17:39:25 <TinoDidriksen> Files will have locking and record deletion issues. 17:39:30 <Alberth> I am not sure it should also be a web frontend, or that the web-frontend should be separate 17:39:46 <TinoDidriksen> Why reimplement SQL when you can just use SQL, or SQLite... 17:40:34 <TinoDidriksen> Communication with the desktop app would almost certainly have to be done via a web frontend anyway. 17:41:10 <TinoDidriksen> Everyone has port 80 and 443 open; a custom backend service with a different port would be harder to work with, and much harder to secure. 17:41:44 <andythenorth> SQL or MySQL? 17:41:45 <Alberth> oh, 'web frontend' is more than just using port 80, for me 17:42:04 <TinoDidriksen> andythenorth, MySQL is one SQL variant... 17:42:09 <andythenorth> hence the question 17:42:23 <TinoDidriksen> Personally I'd use PostgreSQL 17:42:27 <andythenorth> Rubidium: what do openttd servers have available right now? 17:42:46 <Alberth> SQL is a generic name for all forms of sql engines 17:43:10 <Rubidium> andythenorth: available for/as what? 17:43:19 <andythenorth> database technology 17:43:29 <TinoDidriksen> Alberth, sure web frontend is more than just port 80, but port 80 vs. firewalls is the reason to use a web frontend. 17:43:33 <andythenorth> might as well use what's already deployed 17:44:40 <Alberth> TinoDidriksen: yep, http is a smart choice, but not necessarily with html 17:44:59 <andythenorth> Alberth: personally I'd try pyramid for this project, it's the python framework du jour, and I need to learn it anyway 17:45:00 <Alberth> as it just exchanges machine oriented data 17:45:01 <TinoDidriksen> Nah, JSON for desktop communication. 17:45:25 <andythenorth> http://www.pylonsproject.org/ 17:45:32 <Rubidium> andythenorth: at least MySQL 17:45:35 <andythenorth> I've built the hello world app for pyramid 17:45:44 <Alberth> but what do you do at the user end? 17:45:54 <Alberth> you need some program there too?? 17:45:55 <Rubidium> no idea about other SQLs being knowingly used, though the CF probably uses some sort as well 17:46:06 <andythenorth> Alberth: which bit of user end? 17:46:11 <Alberth> or you need to make a web app with forms etc 17:46:13 <andythenorth> yes 17:46:18 <andythenorth> assuming you have a browser client 17:46:23 <andythenorth> I assume you want one :P 17:46:33 <TinoDidriksen> It's fairly trivial to throw together a Qt app that communicates with a HTTP server over JSON. 17:47:10 <TinoDidriksen> But why a desktop app? Clunky stuff... 17:48:02 *** kkimlabs [~kkimlabs@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:48:28 <andythenorth> Alberth: at the simplest you need one web form 17:48:37 <andythenorth> it might even be static html, although I doubt it 17:48:49 <Alberth> you have automatic things going on, eg VCSes that deliver changed strings, and pull translated strings 17:49:00 <TinoDidriksen> And, what's wrong with the current translation system? 17:49:14 <Alberth> it only does openttd, and not all newgrfs 17:49:35 <TinoDidriksen> Isn't it easier to add that than to start from scratch? 17:49:50 <Alberth> its author says no 17:50:02 <andythenorth> it probably isn't a repeatable deployment, at a guess 17:50:02 <TinoDidriksen> Odd 17:50:15 <andythenorth> if it's like bananas, building a dev environment is near-impossibl 17:50:17 <andythenorth> +e 17:50:43 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 17:50:53 <Alberth> bananas is newer :p 17:51:14 <Rubidium> "tree time's a charm" works in software development as well. Usually stuff gets better after iterations as problems get figured out during development which are tricky to fix without redoing it completely 17:51:28 *** CornishPasty [users.158@brockwell.irccloud.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:51:58 * andythenorth is on hmm...the fourth rebuild of some big apps :P 17:52:03 <Alberth> not when I haven't studied the first two :) 17:52:21 <Alberth> which is one of the things I need to do :) 17:53:06 *** CornishPasty [users.158@brockwell.irccloud.com] has joined #openttd 17:53:19 <andythenorth> reliable, repeatable builds are the number lesson I've learnt about web apps 17:53:34 <andythenorth> all other arguments about technology are mostly near-religious and lack evidence :P 17:53:39 <Alberth> but ok, a bit of pyramid thus 17:53:52 <andythenorth> but not being able to build the app for dev / production is bad bad bad 17:54:09 <andythenorth> no different to making sure openttd always compiles :P 17:54:52 <andythenorth> you can pick pretty much any technology, but if you can't build without doing funny rituals and praying for luck, your app is screwed 17:54:58 <Alberth> yeah, but web apps are soooooooo simple ........... :D (famous last words) 17:55:24 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has joined #openttd 17:55:24 <andythenorth> they are :P 17:55:58 <Alberth> it depends on the expected life time of the application :p 17:58:14 <andythenorth> +1 17:59:28 *** flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has joined #openttd 18:01:36 *** CornishPasty [users.158@brockwell.irccloud.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:03:38 *** CornishPasty [users.158@brockwell.irccloud.com] has joined #openttd 18:04:22 <andythenorth> Alberth: so the app also needs to write to VCS? 18:04:28 <andythenorth> and possibly read from VCS? 18:05:16 <Alberth> no, you run an app that does that, and exchange data with 'my' app 18:05:44 <Alberth> that way I don't need access to your repo, and I don't need to care about VCSes :p 18:06:24 <andythenorth> hmm 18:06:47 <andythenorth> how do commits make it to main ottd repo? 18:06:51 <andythenorth> or newgrf repos? 18:07:09 <andythenorth> developer explicitly pulls? 18:07:13 <Alberth> you run an app that queries updated translations 18:07:23 <andythenorth> so an update / merge app 18:07:51 <Alberth> that seems the simplest solution to me 18:08:06 <andythenorth> hmm 18:08:25 <andythenorth> have you seen the fetch_src_and_build.sh script in BANDIT? 18:08:33 <andythenorth> probably doesn't need to be much more complicated than that :P 18:09:01 * Alberth looks at the file 18:09:15 <andythenorth> just curl changes, diff, save? 18:10:13 *** kkimlabs [~kkimlabs@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 18:10:49 <Alberth> it probably needs a bit local file recosntruction too, as I don't make assumptions on the used string file format 18:11:15 <Alberth> (well, I do, but as few as possible :) ) 18:11:16 <andythenorth> so pull json? 18:11:30 <andythenorth> xml :P 18:11:36 <andythenorth> json is probably good for this 18:11:36 <Alberth> yes, in some standard form 18:11:51 <Alberth> xml means you can use xmpp :p 18:13:59 <andythenorth> hmm 18:14:04 * andythenorth needs a picture 18:14:21 <andythenorth> 2 mins 18:21:20 <andythenorth> Alberth: is it this? http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/3041/new_wt.png 18:21:29 <andythenorth> I know that's simple :P 18:22:43 <Alberth> it is :) but it has nice darkened edges :p 18:23:15 <Alberth> but that's globally the idea, an app that does 'it', and stuff around it to query/access it 18:24:41 <Alberth> you and Tino see it speak html for a browser too, I was thinking to add an app for that too 18:24:56 <andythenorth> well 18:25:00 <andythenorth> you can have it speak html 18:25:10 <Alberth> so I don't have the usual html generation mess in the app 18:25:13 <andythenorth> or you can have it speak very limited html, lots of json, and make it an AJAX app 18:25:29 <andythenorth> which is how twitter et al works 18:25:42 <andythenorth> but it's not my taste because I don't get on brilliantly with javascript :P 18:25:50 <Alberth> mostly they don't, at my machine :p 18:26:10 <TinoDidriksen> andythenorth, learn jQuery...JS is quite fun with that. 18:26:19 <andythenorth> I have 18:26:23 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.90.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:26:26 <andythenorth> approximately 18:26:41 <andythenorth> keeping state in the DOM still hurts my brain 18:26:44 <andythenorth> it seems insane to me :P 18:27:10 <andythenorth> 'write your entire app by shuffling things on and off <li> tags' :P 18:27:15 <andythenorth> I know there are other, better ways 18:27:46 <andythenorth> Alberth: a jquery app means you can do the whole thing in JSON 18:28:01 <andythenorth> but parsing the json to html is also trivial 18:28:09 <andythenorth> or just fetching the raw data 18:29:23 <Alberth> I am sure it is, but I want to focus on the back-end, not on a frontend 18:29:46 <andythenorth> k, so allowing for large current dose of real life, I can help 18:29:47 <Alberth> perhaps I should write the vcs interface app 18:30:06 <TinoDidriksen> I would make a frontend sketch or mockup first, to ensure the backend can actually do everything the frontend will need. 18:30:20 <andythenorth> Alberth: got a repo? 18:30:38 <Alberth> I have plenty repos, just not for trs :p 18:30:43 <andythenorth> k 18:30:53 <andythenorth> well pull or download twitter bootstrap, as we'll need it later :P 18:30:54 <andythenorth> http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/ 18:31:11 <andythenorth> it means trs will look like every other web app made in 2012, but meh, it's easy and works 18:32:10 <andythenorth> also, we should use chameleon for templating, because I know it 18:32:29 <andythenorth> you probably have chameleon already for BANDIT 18:32:51 <andythenorth> BANDIT is abusing a html templating engine to write nml :P 18:33:26 <andythenorth> BANDIT could be a web app, all it needs to do is 'return (templated nml)' instead of 'codecs.write (templated nml)' 18:36:04 * Alberth has never run BANDIT 18:36:20 <andythenorth> it's worth a try :) 18:42:44 *** Knogle [knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 18:48:40 <Knogle> How can you see gamescript debugging on a dedicated server? 18:52:04 <Alberth> perhaps you can post a question in the AI/script development forum 18:54:22 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd expect you can yank up some debug level to get the script output on stderr 18:59:11 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@noiv.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:59:12 <Knogle> I was hoping there was a debug command like -d ai=X, but for gamescripts. 18:59:22 <Knogle> but thanks, I'll try the forums. 18:59:46 <Alberth> try --help 19:00:07 <Alberth> and you get a dump of available debug categories 19:07:30 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@noiv.net] has joined #openttd 19:11:14 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 19:13:59 *** kkimlabs [~kkimlabs@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:14:32 *** APTX [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:14:59 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:15:01 <Knogle> --help isn't much help really 19:15:24 *** APTX [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 19:22:15 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d66-183-113-159.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 19:22:50 <frosch123> List of debug facility names: 19:22:51 <frosch123> driver, grf, map, misc, net, sprite, oldloader, npf, yapf, freetype, script, sl, gamelog, desync, console 19:22:57 <frosch123> ^^ thats the important part of --help 19:23:44 <Knogle> all it I see is: -d [[fac=]lvl[,...]]= Debug mode 19:24:01 <Knogle> anyway, which one is for game scripts? lol 19:24:05 <frosch123> yep, and you need -d script=4 19:24:15 <Knogle> thanks a lot frosch123 :) 19:24:26 *** kkimlabs [~kkimlabs@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 19:25:07 *** APTX [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:25:26 *** APTX [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 19:25:46 <frosch123> 4 means all, you can reduce it to only get the output of GSLog::Warning or Error 19:26:47 <Knogle> Great, thanks! 19:49:20 <frosch123> night 19:49:23 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d00b65b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:50:11 *** flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:53:11 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host81-152-250-188.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:54:26 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:16:05 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:18:17 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:24:20 <andythenorth> FIRS farms are still boring :P 20:25:00 <Terkhen> make them smaller 20:25:05 <Terkhen> and with bigger clusters 20:25:12 <Terkhen> :P 20:30:48 <andythenorth> the clustering seems to have gone astray during the nml conversion 20:30:52 <andythenorth> I need to add it back in 20:31:33 <andythenorth> or at least, the part that scales by map size seems to be missing 20:31:49 <andythenorth> maybe I just need YACD in my game 20:31:59 <Terkhen> yeah, that would be awesome :P 20:32:14 <andythenorth> the lack of YACD is dull 20:32:22 * andythenorth wonders if it compiles with current trunk 20:32:44 <Rubidium> andythenorth: don't wonder, I full expect it to fail to apply 20:32:48 <Terkhen> I seriously doubt it 20:32:56 * andythenorth was going to just test it :P 20:32:56 <Terkhen> it would be a miracle :P 20:33:12 <Terkhen> you could spend some time updating it to current trunk though :) 20:33:20 <Terkhen> s/time/weeks/ 20:33:23 <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1003998#p1003998 20:34:20 <andythenorth> hmm 20:34:29 * andythenorth hasn't figured github out yet 20:37:30 <andythenorth> hmm, some failures for https://github.com/benjeffery/openttd/compare/master...yacd.diff 20:37:33 <andythenorth> not many 20:37:57 <Rubidium> that's likely not the official one 20:38:01 <andythenorth> I assume compiling a failed patch is silly? 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