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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 01:56:54 <Elukka> http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z113/Elucca/IMG_0003.jpg 01:57:03 <Elukka> he found he's rather fond of a third floor window as his perch 02:09:05 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c939:bcfd:b76b:1d6a] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:30:31 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 03:53:30 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-97-92.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 04:01:52 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6C085.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 04:03:55 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@78.96.213.97] has joined #openttd 04:07:36 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6A3BB.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:26:10 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@78.96.213.97] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 04:29:21 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@78.96.213.97] has joined #openttd 04:33:42 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@186.212.210.113] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:44:00 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67354.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 04:44:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD5828.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:59:13 *** telanus [~telanus@196-215-173-106.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 05:14:31 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@94.13.8.182] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:46:34 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:48:38 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 05:48:39 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 06:02:28 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-97-109.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 06:05:12 *** Alberth [~hat3@2001:980:272e:1:21a:92ff:fe55:fc8d] has joined #openttd 06:05:15 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 06:05:59 <Alberth> wap 06:06:49 <NGC3982> neat. 06:07:37 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@85.210.77.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:11:59 <Terkhen> good morning 06:15:10 <telanus> morning 06:21:17 <NGC3982> El..el 06:21:18 <NGC3982> bah. 06:21:34 <NGC3982> i have ignore on all modes, nicks, parts, quits and joins. 06:24:50 <Alberth> just don't log on any more :p 06:28:33 <NGC3982> ?hehe 06:29:05 <NGC3982> well, im determined to whithold that people should use shells or bnc. 06:29:22 <NGC3982> it's not hard, and ill gladly help setting it up. 06:31:02 <Alberth> ISP creating stable connections would help a lot more :) 06:38:06 <planetmaker> moin 06:41:56 *** cmircea [~cmircea@86.123.42.12] has joined #openttd 06:43:06 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:46:47 <NGC3982> Alberth: that wont keep people from turning their chat software on and off, sadly. :( 06:47:18 <Alberth> NGC3982: probably windows machine automagically suspending 06:53:01 *** APTX [APTX@2001:470:1f0b:1a9d:240:63ff:fefb:5994] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:06:34 *** TrueBrain_ is now known as TrueBrain 07:07:46 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has joined #openttd 07:17:26 <Terkhen> valve finally announced steam for linux officially 07:17:53 <Eddi|zuHause> with more than 2 games available? 07:18:36 <Terkhen> a single one for now, and without release date :P 07:19:11 <Eddi|zuHause> well, would be more interesting if it supported starting windows games in wine then ;) 07:21:12 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@78.96.213.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:21:12 <Terkhen> http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/Linux/ <-- given steam terms of use, I find the references to open source amusing 07:22:11 <Terkhen> yes, that would be nice, buy I foresee some companies refusing to let people play officially through wine 07:27:12 <Alberth> does someone have a vim syntax file for NML? 07:30:48 <Terkhen> Alberth: there are files for notepad++ and geany at the devzone, and also an script for extracting all tikens and putting them in 4 separate groups 07:30:58 <Terkhen> tokens* 07:31:07 <Terkhen> stupid phone 07:31:18 * Alberth gives Terkhen a hammer 07:32:06 <Terkhen> if it is a microscopic hammer it would help me with pushing these keys 07:33:05 <__ln__> keys? that's so 2010's; today everything's touch-touch-touch. 07:33:32 <Alberth> he touches the keys :p 07:35:36 * NGC3982 hates non-tactile response. 07:39:39 <Terkhen> they are not physical keys, but they are still keys 07:41:05 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-043-200.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 07:43:15 <__ln__> yesterday steve ballmer introduced a new version of Office which is soooooo touch-touch. 07:44:12 * telanus wonders how OpenTTD would play on a touch-screen 07:44:41 <__ln__> telanus: very badly 07:45:39 <Terkhen> in my experience, unplayable 07:46:06 <Terkhen> things might be better on a tablet though 07:46:34 <__ln__> something like a 20" touch screen at vga resolution could be playable 07:47:36 <__ln__> yet still not good 07:51:28 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 07:53:37 *** cmircea [~cmircea@86.123.42.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:02:54 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d172-218-2-5.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: for the love of god this is not safe for work] 08:06:03 <NGC3982> telanus: i tried to get that web version of ttd deluxe to work on my phone 08:06:06 <NGC3982> sadly with no luck. 08:06:26 <blathijs> __ln__: A friend of mine has a fairly big touch screen, I should get him to install OpenTTD some time :-) 08:20:17 <dihedral> hello 08:23:26 <Terkhen> hi dihedral 08:23:33 <dihedral> hello sir Terkhen 08:26:10 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 08:36:06 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:38:07 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-043-200.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 09:45:24 *** cmircea [~cmircea@86.123.42.212] has joined #openttd 09:56:26 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-92-22.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 10:14:19 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d082fc7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:35:47 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@78.96.213.97] has joined #openttd 10:48:01 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@82.74.125.226] has quit [Quit: Maintenance] 11:36:49 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-97-92.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 11:47:33 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:51:10 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 11:58:16 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@155-87-54-193.wlan.espci.fr] has joined #openttd 11:59:22 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:28:41 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc10-linl9-2-0-cust80.18-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 12:31:35 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:f0f6:6b0f:736f:73b7] has joined #openttd 12:31:38 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:40:59 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@524A7DE2.cm-4-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:01:38 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@155-87-54-193.wlan.espci.fr] has joined #openttd 13:04:31 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@155-87-54-193.wlan.espci.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:06:43 <Belugas> hello 13:08:38 <telanus> olla 13:11:15 *** telanus [~telanus@196-215-173-106.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:16:16 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@155-87-54-193.wlan.espci.fr] has joined #openttd 13:18:16 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@155-87-54-193.wlan.espci.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:18:38 *** peter1138 [~petern@petern.bnsnet.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:18:41 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 13:19:27 <peter1138> Herp, and indeed, derp. 13:26:50 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@155-87-54-193.wlan.espci.fr] has joined #openttd 13:28:44 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@155-87-54-193.wlan.espci.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:32:41 <Terkhen> hi peter1138 13:35:12 <NGC3982> derp o_== 13:37:24 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@155-87-54-193.wlan.espci.fr] has joined #openttd 13:39:20 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@155-87-54-193.wlan.espci.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:45:45 <Eddi|zuHause> what does that even mean? 13:46:52 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@155-87-54-193.wlan.espci.fr] has joined #openttd 13:48:53 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@155-87-54-193.wlan.espci.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:50:36 *** telanus [~telanus@196-215-173-106.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 13:55:30 *** NOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-112-89.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:57:25 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@155-87-54-193.wlan.espci.fr] has joined #openttd 13:59:24 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@155-87-54-193.wlan.espci.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:03:50 *** Pulec|MCM [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 14:04:48 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-40-225.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 14:05:17 <NGC3982> its not a word, more then a sound, i guess. 14:05:41 <__ln__> *it's 14:05:43 <Alberth> that was not the question :) 14:09:54 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@155-87-54-193.wlan.espci.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:26:57 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@155-87-54-193.wlan.espci.fr] has joined #openttd 14:42:27 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@155-87-54-193.wlan.espci.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:59:22 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@155-87-54-193.wlan.espci.fr] has joined #openttd 15:06:46 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@155-87-54-193.wlan.espci.fr] has joined #openttd 15:08:46 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@155-87-54-193.wlan.espci.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:11:24 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc10-linl9-2-0-cust80.18-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:17:19 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@155-87-54-193.wlan.espci.fr] has joined #openttd 15:19:25 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@155-87-54-193.wlan.espci.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:22:01 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:22:05 <andythenorth> bon 15:22:06 <andythenorth> jour 15:27:57 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@155-87-54-193.wlan.espci.fr] has joined #openttd 15:29:45 <Eddi|zuHause> jovy? 15:29:46 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@155-87-54-193.wlan.espci.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:30:47 <V453000> apetit? 15:30:52 <V453000> bon beer? 15:32:46 <andythenorth> tempi 15:33:00 <andythenorth> maker of organs 15:33:14 * andythenorth didn't solve FISH yet 15:33:19 <andythenorth> I saw a nice diagram today 15:33:24 <glx> old reference andythenorth :) 15:33:35 <andythenorth> glx: je suis old 15:33:50 <andythenorth> diagram was basically 'decide slow, ship fast' 15:33:54 <andythenorth> 'get better result' 15:34:02 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590d5ef8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:34:11 <andythenorth> counter idea was 'decide fast, spend months in implementation hell, ship late' 15:34:12 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-155-172-157.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:34:37 <andythenorth> so my preferred options for FISH autorefit are 15:34:47 <V453000> ships dont fast. 15:35:26 <andythenorth> (1) fewer ships overall, with cargo subtypes for 'Tanker' 'Cargo Vessel' etc. You can autorefit any cargo within the subtype, but can't cross subtypes except in depot. 15:35:41 <andythenorth> this is similar to current FISH setup, but additionally handles autorefit 15:36:35 <andythenorth> (2) more ships. 'Blah Blah Tanker' etc is a type in the buy menu. Limited range of refits available. Autorefit any within the range. 15:36:59 <andythenorth> this option spams buy menu more, with quite similar looking ships. And I have to invent names and stats, and add them to the grf. 15:37:40 <andythenorth> maybe option 2 adds more interesting variety to FISH, but it has quite a lot of variety already 15:38:04 * andythenorth is grateful for opinions, but is aware that other people's set design problems can be hard to engage with :P 15:38:22 <Terkhen> I prefer option 1 15:38:23 * FLHerne votes (1) 15:39:09 <FLHerne> And then add more variety, too :P 15:39:25 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@155-87-54-193.wlan.espci.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:39:32 <andythenorth> I could add also buy menu text: 'Autorefit: any cargo in same subtype' 15:39:32 <andythenorth> or so 15:39:50 <FLHerne> Don't necessarily let all ships refit to every subtype :-) 15:40:03 <andythenorth> some ships just refit everything anyway 15:40:19 * telanus votes for (1) 15:40:19 <andythenorth> for example, fishing boats carry liquids, but don't have specific tanker graphics 15:40:21 <planetmaker> "to coal, iron ore, copper ore - but not to bauxite" :-P 15:41:01 <FLHerne> andythenorth: You should forbid them from carrying liquids then :P 15:41:26 <FLHerne> Or massively lower the capacity, to suggest deck-cargo barrels or suchlike 15:42:13 <NGC3982> i like that 15:42:16 <NGC3982> that last one 15:42:21 <andythenorth> maybe, but it's just annoying for gameplay :P 15:42:21 <NGC3982> i really like it. 15:43:15 <planetmaker> andythenorth: that's not necessarily annoying 15:43:19 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-043-200.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 15:43:26 <planetmaker> every vehicle carries everything is not good gameplay either 15:43:51 <planetmaker> or everything in the same quantity 15:44:11 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Variation is good for gameplay. Boring homogeny isn't :P 15:44:18 <planetmaker> with ogfx-trains I chose to have flatbed wagons also carry fuel oil and milk for example 15:44:39 <planetmaker> But the capacity is about 1/3 ... 1/2 of the tanker wagon - assuming that the flatbed carries cans or barrels 15:45:11 <planetmaker> so the player *does* have the option to refit. But for maximum capacity the proper vehicle should be used 15:45:28 <andythenorth> hmm 15:46:14 <andythenorth> "(89 passengers or 52t of cargo)" 15:46:31 *** peter1138 [~petern@petern.bnsnet.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:46:32 <andythenorth> could be extended to "...or 35,000 litres of liquids) 15:46:51 <andythenorth> buy menu gets quit ugly 15:46:54 <andythenorth> +e 15:46:54 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4065#note-5 <-- andythenorth :-) 15:48:21 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@23.40.49.60.kmr01-home.tm.net.my] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:49:19 <Terkhen> andythenorth: just choose some cargo groups that make sense 15:49:49 <andythenorth> wrt? :) 15:49:53 <Terkhen> and some conditions to refit between them 15:50:00 <Terkhen> autorefit 15:50:01 <FLHerne> What's the gameplay purpose for shipping liquid on tiny boats, anyway? 15:50:12 *** KouDy [~KouDy@23.40.49.60.kmr01-home.tm.net.my] has joined #openttd 15:50:20 <Terkhen> oil platforms 15:50:24 <andythenorth> dunno, that's up to the industry set 15:50:32 <andythenorth> vehicles shouldn't be making too many decisions about that 15:50:42 <Terkhen> bbl 15:51:18 <andythenorth> no way of knowing cargos might exist in the game 15:51:33 <andythenorth> FIRS milk ships in small quantities for example 15:51:37 <andythenorth> and chemicals 16:13:06 *** Mazur [~mazur@546984B2.cm-12-2c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:22:50 *** Mazur [~mazur@546984B2.cm-12-2c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:31:19 *** Mazur [~mazur@546984B2.cm-12-2c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:40:45 *** Alberth [~hat3@2001:980:272e:1:21a:92ff:fe55:fc8d] has left #openttd [] 16:42:19 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED04D96.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:53:00 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@161.184.227.133] has joined #openttd 17:06:51 *** KouDy [~KouDy@23.40.49.60.kmr01-home.tm.net.my] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:07:26 *** KouDy [~KouDy@60.49.40.23] has joined #openttd 17:12:38 *** telanus1 [~telanus@196-215-173-106.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 17:16:51 *** telanus [~telanus@196-215-173-106.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:25:58 *** NataS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 17:25:58 *** Nat_aS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:26:40 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.232.234.29] has joined #openttd 17:26:51 <Wolf01> hello 17:27:41 <telanus1> olla 17:27:52 *** telanus1 is now known as telanus 17:31:13 <FLHerne> olleh :P 17:33:30 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r24410 /trunk/src/lang/ (afrikaans.txt finnish.txt): 17:33:30 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:33:30 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: afrikaans - 10 changes by telanus 17:33:30 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: finnish - 1 changes by USephiroth 17:35:04 <Sacro> \o/ 17:39:01 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:39:28 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 17:50:22 * andythenorth ponders adding 'liquid capacity' property to each ship in FISH 17:50:32 <andythenorth> already have pax capacity, mail capacity and cargo capacity 17:50:34 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc10-linl9-2-0-cust80.18-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 17:50:52 <andythenorth> any other ever-more-fine distinctions to consider? :o 17:50:56 <andythenorth> fish capacity? 17:50:59 <andythenorth> stuff capacity? 17:51:00 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d172-218-2-5.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 17:51:12 <andythenorth> feathers capacity 17:51:27 <andythenorth> if feathers capacity(t) = coal capacity(t), which is heavier? 17:52:18 <andythenorth> pax capacity: commuter 17:52:24 <andythenorth> pax capacity: long distance 17:52:24 <FLHerne> Do your ships run out of mass or volume first? :P 17:52:36 <andythenorth> ^^ set cargo aging period appropriately? 17:52:59 <FLHerne> If volume, you could have separate capacity for almost everything :P 17:53:04 <andythenorth> the danger of having a generated grf is that this stuff is *so* easy to add :P 17:53:41 <FLHerne> Commuter/long distance might make sense for a train GRF. Ships not so much 17:54:03 <andythenorth> all the magic might get in the way of providing...a nice mix of vehicles 17:54:08 * FLHerne tries to generate CHIPS-style objects with m4 17:54:16 <andythenorth> ugh 17:54:27 <FLHerne> Copy/paste and sed only go so far :-( 17:54:31 <andythenorth> python 17:54:53 <andythenorth> stop arsing about with macro languages and use a proper scripting language 17:55:10 <FLHerne> Possibly overspecified for a simple object grf? :P 17:55:34 *** Chris_Booth[ph] [~chrisboot@81.154.231.254] has joined #openttd 17:55:44 <andythenorth> [shrug] 17:55:51 <andythenorth> sledgehammer still gets you a cracked nut 17:56:08 <Eddi|zuHause> FLHerne: if the task is "remove copy-paste", then use a tool that lets you generate the repeated tasks 17:56:37 <andythenorth> I have done the macro language thing 17:56:42 <andythenorth> I don't think it's good enough 17:57:01 <andythenorth> templates should mostly do ${insert_value} 17:57:21 <andythenorth> rather than #omfg.complex_macro_madness 17:57:42 <andythenorth> and the values should be obviously generated in the assembly script 17:57:52 <andythenorth> complex macros in templates just mungles everything 17:57:57 <Eddi|zuHause> that doesn't look like a very well visited channel :p 17:58:05 * andythenorth hopes not 17:58:12 <andythenorth> complex macro templating avoids abstraction at the cost of brainfuck 17:58:21 <andythenorth> may as well just accept the abstraction 17:58:23 <andythenorth> only one kitten dies 17:58:37 <FLHerne> andythenorth: brainfuck has a cost? 17:58:43 <andythenorth> does to me 17:58:45 <andythenorth> ymmv 17:59:04 <andythenorth> I am referring not to the language ;) 17:59:29 <FLHerne> I'll avoid trying to show you my attempt at microcontroller pathfinding then :P 17:59:44 <andythenorth> I dislike trying to parse templates where you need to run the magic in your head to understand what you'll get as the result 17:59:52 <andythenorth> I prefer 'the value here will be the value' 18:00:01 <andythenorth> I don't even trust repeats much :P 18:00:27 <andythenorth> this for example is horribles http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/1543/ 18:00:34 * andythenorth did that one 18:01:16 * FLHerne fails to see the horribles :P 18:01:16 *** Chris_Booth[ph] [~chrisboot@81.154.231.254] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:01:27 *** Chris_Booth[ph] [~chrisboot@host81-154-231-254.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:01:31 <FLHerne> Which bit is meant to be horrible? 18:02:04 *** devilsadvocate [~quassel@109.200.19.188] has joined #openttd 18:02:11 <andythenorth> the calculations 18:03:27 <FLHerne> What's horrible about those? 18:03:46 <andythenorth> hard to parse, ugly code 18:04:02 <andythenorth> doesn't in anyway explain wtf is going on 18:04:05 *** Wakou [~stephen@host86-129-34-31.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:04:20 <devilsadvocate> I can't seem to find FIRS in the in-game content downloading system. can anyone tell me why that would be? 18:04:59 *** Chris_Booth[ph] [~chrisboot@host81-154-231-254.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 18:06:03 <FLHerne> It looks like it's allocating sprites based on ship speed? Not sure what the 0.45s are for though :P 18:06:15 *** KouDy [~KouDy@60.49.40.23] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:08:49 <andythenorth> magic :P 18:08:58 <andythenorth> can't remember 18:11:13 <FLHerne> Looks intelligible with explanatory comments :P 18:12:01 <andythenorth> anyway, I'm biased in favour of python 18:12:07 <andythenorth> others will have alternative biases 18:12:57 * andythenorth discounts lower cargo capacity for liquids 18:13:06 <andythenorth> goods also travels in packing crates etc 18:13:14 <andythenorth> so the barrels / churns argument doesn't hold 18:13:31 <andythenorth> higher capacity for specific tanker refits I would consider 18:13:40 <andythenorth> because it makes a bit more interest 18:14:02 <andythenorth> and because tankers service oil platforms, which get high production in some sets 18:14:09 <andythenorth> desirable? 18:14:21 <andythenorth> 10% extra or so 18:14:34 <Eddi|zuHause> just take a larger ship then 18:14:40 <Eddi|zuHause> not too much magic with capacities 18:15:25 <andythenorth> +0.5 18:15:37 <andythenorth> I don't like magic capacities too much, it makes buying ships harder 18:15:44 <andythenorth> especially if the difference is 10% or so 18:15:49 <andythenorth> but it seems to be wanted... 18:16:28 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: 'autorefit only within same subtype' is an extension of something you proposed. ta 18:16:35 * andythenorth mentions that as an aside 18:24:17 *** Netsplit reticulum.oftc.net <-> synthon.oftc.net quits: GBerten2936, tparker, Markavian`, Eddi|zuHause, Xaroth, @orudge, cmircea, @Belugas, jonty-comp, kamil, (+33 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 18:24:37 *** Netsplit over, joins: GoneWacko, Born_Acorn, orudge, jonty-comp, Zeknurn, Kurimus, Pulec, Markavian`, tycoondemon2, guru3 (+11 more) 18:24:37 *** Elu [Elukka@78-27-97-92.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:24:37 *** Netsplit over, joins: cmircea, lobster, DDR, Biolunar, Eddi|zuHause, namad7, Xaroth, CIA-4, Rubidium, kamil (+2 more) 18:24:37 *** ServerMode/#openttd [+vo glx orudge] by resistance.oftc.net 18:24:53 <Wolf01> looked like a netsplit 18:25:11 *** Netsplit over, joins: LordAro, welshdragon, Wakou, MNIM, Kylie, tparker, mikegrb, AD, @Belugas, ccfreak2k 18:25:13 <frosch123> what makes you think so` 18:25:37 <FLHerne> Almost everyone disconnecting and reconnecting? :P 18:25:53 <Wolf01> no, the clouds outside of the window 18:26:01 <frosch123> maybe they all thought suddendly that ottd is crap 18:26:18 <frosch123> but then reconsidered that idling here is fine nevertheless 18:28:39 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-97-92.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:30:53 <andythenorth> frosch123: I'm convinced by your argument 18:30:57 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:31:15 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:33:19 <frosch123> calling yourself idling does not convince me though 18:35:44 <frosch123> you will have a hard time with idling, once the topic gets to cargo classes, refitting or rv wagons 18:35:48 <frosch123> or vehicle smoke :p 18:36:30 <andythenorth> meh 18:36:35 <andythenorth> replace me with a bot 18:36:38 <andythenorth> it's easy 18:37:30 <Wakou> Hi guys I was doin an update of my opensuse install, and noticed that an openGFX file was upgraded. How do I check the versions? What has changed? 18:38:23 <frosch123> check the changelog 18:39:07 <frosch123> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/entry/docs/changelog.txt 18:39:59 *** mode/#openttd [+v orudge] by ChanServ 18:39:59 *** mode/#openttd [+v DorpsGek] by ChanServ 18:40:02 *** mode/#openttd [+v Belugas] by ChanServ 18:41:39 *** telanus1 [~telanus@196.210.247.225] has joined #openttd 18:42:04 *** telanus [~telanus@196-215-173-106.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:03:47 *** telanus1 is now known as telanus 19:10:44 *** Jupix [~jupix@dsl-lprbrasgw1-ff11c100-110.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 19:13:28 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-35-81.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 19:15:44 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-40-225.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:15:55 <Wolf01> http://www.bestoldgames.net/eng/old-games/locomotion.php still better game than it's homonymous 19:18:25 <__ln__> anyone tried this? http://store.steampowered.com/app/65235/ 19:20:51 <Wolf01> lol? 19:24:28 * andythenorth does ponder 19:24:45 <andythenorth> right, so autorefit within subtypes 19:24:54 <frosch123> http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/diffs/settingtype.diff http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/settingtype.png <- someone has some better (read: shorter) texts to show there? 19:25:02 <andythenorth> but should I provide 'Oil (Tanker)' and 'Oil (General Cargo)' 19:25:07 *** prooz [prooz@eddie.slaskete.net] has joined #openttd 19:25:10 <andythenorth> to cover the case of barrels and crap 19:25:31 <prooz> Is there a setting i can use on my server to make the time go slower? 19:25:58 <andythenorth> no 19:26:01 <frosch123> you can auto-pause the server when no client is connected 19:26:10 <andythenorth> that's definitely slower :) 19:26:28 <andythenorth> frosch123: wording looks ok to me 19:26:33 <prooz> I calculated that 100 years = 15 hrs 19:26:36 <prooz> So that's not verry much 19:26:38 <frosch123> andythenorth: it's too long :) 19:26:48 <andythenorth> -changes 19:26:56 <andythenorth> 'affects only the current company' 19:27:15 <andythenorth> -Company setting? 19:27:20 <frosch123> i wondered about cutting the "stored in savegame" part 19:27:23 <andythenorth> maybe 19:27:29 <andythenorth> I wonder how that's useful 19:27:41 <andythenorth> what does end user do with this info, other than be interested? 19:27:46 <andythenorth> what decisions does it support? 19:27:55 <frosch123> fs#5244 19:28:12 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-78-102-217-126.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 19:28:21 <frosch123> users currently complain about changes in settings dialog not applying to their game, or to new games 19:29:00 <frosch123> so i would like a catching word like "game/client/company setting" and a short description of what that means 19:29:37 <andythenorth> oh 19:29:49 <andythenorth> is that why I keep getting annoyed about my settings disappearing? 19:29:54 <andythenorth> I set things, then they go away again 19:30:07 <andythenorth> I thought it was YetAnotherOSX bug 19:30:15 <frosch123> might be both :p 19:30:36 <andythenorth> hmm 19:30:50 <andythenorth> is changing this more lipstick on the pig? :) 19:31:03 <frosch123> actually, i also need the reverse descriptions for the intro gui settings 19:31:10 <andythenorth> is the issue 'the main start the game gui smells bad?' 19:31:13 <frosch123> "stored in save; affects new games only" 19:31:41 * andythenorth finds settings confusing 19:31:57 <andythenorth> I have permanent "can't build while pause" rage, but the settings never persist for that 19:32:02 <andythenorth> afaict 19:32:07 * andythenorth might be doing it wrong 19:32:20 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-78-102-217-126.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 19:32:29 <andythenorth> I pause to save battery whilst coding newgrf 19:32:33 <andythenorth> then I test newgrf and get rage 19:32:42 <andythenorth> "you may not build any vehicles" 19:32:47 <andythenorth> "you may not build any stations" 19:32:48 <andythenorth> :P 19:33:12 * andythenorth experiments 19:33:42 <andythenorth> hmm 19:33:45 <andythenorth> that setting persists 19:33:56 * andythenorth has been having a lot of easily solved rage 19:34:50 <NGC3982> http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6ytds9nRw1qzul5to1_400.gif 19:35:00 <andythenorth> hmm 19:35:05 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-177-187.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:35:05 <andythenorth> doesn't persist if set in game 19:35:10 <andythenorth> only if set at main menu 19:36:51 <andythenorth> ah 19:36:59 <andythenorth> doesn't persist if you control-d a 'make run' game 19:37:17 <andythenorth> ctrl-c /s 19:37:30 * andythenorth is probably an edge case :P 19:39:23 <frosch123> diff has two more strings to optimise 19:42:41 <andythenorth> which ones? 19:42:55 <frosch123> the _MENU ones 19:44:20 * NGC3982 watches the first episode of deep space nine. 19:44:32 <NGC3982> it took me 13 months to complete the next generation. 19:44:33 <NGC3982> :P 19:45:09 <andythenorth> frosch123: use similar to the _INGAME versions? 19:45:23 <andythenorth> looks simple to me... 19:45:32 <frosch123> they are similiar, but kind of the reverse 19:46:22 <prooz> Hmm. Is there a way to change text etc. when using windowed mode? 19:46:37 <andythenorth> "stored in save; affects current company only" ? 19:48:26 <andythenorth> blearch 19:48:31 <frosch123> yeah, that becomes better 19:48:33 <frosch123> updated diff 19:48:34 *** cmircea [~cmircea@86.123.42.212] has quit [Quit: What? WAIT noooo don't pull that pl...] 19:48:37 <andythenorth> 'cargo subtype' should be renamed 'vehicle subtype' 19:49:06 <frosch123> it's called refit cycle anyway 19:49:35 <andythenorth> nml disagrees :P 19:50:00 <frosch123> maybe because that name is even more misleading than cargo subtype :) 19:50:43 <andythenorth> 'subtype' 19:51:22 <andythenorth> it may be stupid, but it's allowed for some creative uses at least ;) 19:51:30 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host81-154-231-254.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:51:45 <andythenorth> if it was less dumb, we might have been able to do less with it 19:51:55 <andythenorth> worse is better :p 19:57:17 <andythenorth> hmm 19:57:53 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-177-187.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:57:55 <andythenorth> if I have subtype strings, e.g. 'Oil (Tanker)', 'Goods (Cargo Holds)', 'Coal (Cargo Holds)' 19:58:02 <andythenorth> what do I do for pax? 19:58:09 <andythenorth> 'Passengers (Cabins)' ? 19:58:55 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-177-187.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:01:18 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/3127/subtypes.png 20:01:25 <andythenorth> not terrible, but not great :P 20:04:24 <andythenorth> more evil: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/3128/subtypes_2.png 20:06:20 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r24411 /trunk/src/ (lang/english.txt settings_gui.cpp): -Add [FS#5244-ish]: Display the a setting type in the adv. settings description which explains the scope of changes to a particular setting. 20:06:24 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/3129/subtypes_3.png ? 20:07:35 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/3130/subtypes_4.png 20:07:50 <andythenorth> crowd votes? 20:08:28 <telanus> I'd go with 4 20:08:33 <Warod> 4 20:09:40 <frosch123> how does to colour look in other guis? 20:09:45 <frosch123> e.g. vehicle details 20:10:11 <frosch123> or are they all grey? 20:10:55 <andythenorth> frosch123: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/3131/subtypes_4b.png 20:11:01 <andythenorth> usually gold 20:11:08 <andythenorth> I usually stick to same colours as default game 20:11:18 <andythenorth> I don't like random colours being added by grfs :P 20:11:44 <andythenorth> there's no precedent I can remember for using Silver 20:11:49 <frosch123> i mean the vehicle details, the window that shows the current load 20:11:50 <andythenorth> in vehicle context 20:11:56 <andythenorth> 1 min 20:12:07 <andythenorth> cyan there 20:12:57 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/3132/subtypes_4v.png 20:13:10 <andythenorth> the silver looks bad 20:14:01 * andythenorth suspects using colour string codes here is a Bad Idea 20:14:31 <andythenorth> the subtype string might get reused in as yet unknown places 20:16:44 <FLHerne> Do you intend to have more subtypes than that? :P 20:17:14 <frosch123> passengers - barrels 20:17:18 * FLHerne would like a distinction between bulk and piece goods 20:17:31 <frosch123> passengers - bulky 20:17:54 <frosch123> passengers - oversized 20:18:28 <andythenorth> passengers: countable 20:18:33 <andythenorth> passengers: uncountable 20:18:39 <andythenorth> FLHerne: why more distinctions? 20:18:45 <andythenorth> to make gameplay more annoying? 20:18:49 <andythenorth> :) 20:20:04 <FLHerne> No, I mean to separate coal/mud/stone/grain (loaded by conveyor, big holds) from vehicles/timber/steel (loaded by crane, needs separate decks) 20:21:28 <FLHerne> So Cabins, Tanks, Holds (with hopper loading), Holds, (with crane loading) 20:21:39 *** Elu [Elukka@78-27-97-92.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:21:45 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-97-92.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 20:21:47 <FLHerne> remove last comma, or that doesn't make sense :P 20:22:09 <frosch123> excellent... passengers - with crane loading 20:22:38 <FLHerne> What? That would be fun, but hardly realistic :P 20:23:22 * telanus wave good night 20:23:33 <FLHerne> telanus: Night 20:24:19 *** telanus [~telanus@196.210.247.225] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:24:47 <andythenorth> FLHerne: 12 monkeys 20:25:54 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Eh? (Misses reference/metaphor/turn of phrase/relevance) 20:27:39 <frosch123> 12 monkey is a cool movie; though that's all i remember about it 20:28:09 <frosch123> hmm, i think it involved time travel and a virus 20:29:10 * FLHerne boggles at the drasic, seemingly random subject change :P 20:29:46 <frosch123> i think the main character in 12 monkey constantly wonders about what's real and what not 20:30:25 <frosch123> the time travels confuses him, so he cannot tell apart which future/past is a dream or not 20:32:22 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@78.96.213.97] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 20:33:11 * andythenorth had the wrong Terry Gilliam film 20:34:38 <NGC3982> ooh, terry gilliam <3. 20:35:07 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@85.210.76.156] has joined #openttd 20:35:12 * andythenorth was thinking of Brazil 20:35:19 <andythenorth> and cages of people 20:39:02 <andythenorth> for the size of the ships in FISH, dry cargo vs. bulk isn't really a distinction 20:39:08 <andythenorth> they're just coasters and river boats 20:39:57 <andythenorth> I don't see the gain for gameplay in forcing the split 20:40:14 <andythenorth> it's just annoying, and runs smack into the cargos-have-multiple-classes issue 20:40:25 <andythenorth> maybe I miss something :P 20:40:52 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-97-109.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:41:51 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Interest :P 20:42:20 <FLHerne> Anyway, those Patraikos things are hardly small coasters :P 20:42:41 <andythenorth> they're only 1k tonnes 20:43:43 <FLHerne> They're also the largest ships you could usefully draw for OTTD :P 20:43:56 <FLHerne> They glitch enough already :-( 20:44:39 *** LordPixaII is now known as Pixa 20:45:33 <frosch123> you should draw ship in the shape of icebergs then 20:45:56 <frosch123> small figure at the top, so no glitches; yet huge in total 20:46:40 <FLHerne> How would you know what size it was, then? 20:48:03 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@94.13.8.182] has joined #openttd 20:49:56 <andythenorth> we have a submarine in a ship grf somewhere 20:54:56 <andythenorth> good night 20:54:58 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 20:55:56 <frosch123> night 20:55:59 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590d5ef8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:30:57 <__ln__> @seen Bjarni 21:30:57 <DorpsGek> __ln__: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 40 weeks, 4 days, 21 hours, 23 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <Bjarni> heh 21:35:10 <Wolf01> heh... 40 weeks 21:38:14 <NGC3982> is there a limit on how much a secondary industry can produce? 21:41:09 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 21:41:41 <Eddi|zuHause> 255 per tile every 256 ticks (8 or 9 times a month) 21:45:56 <NGC3982> i see 21:46:01 <NGC3982> thank you. 21:46:35 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:48:31 <Terkhen> good night 22:03:01 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host81-154-231-254.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0/20120710123126]] 22:22:44 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc10-linl9-2-0-cust80.18-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:27:40 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-45-190.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 22:33:17 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-73-94.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:35:01 <Wolf01> 'night 22:35:05 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.232.234.29] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:51:31 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-043-200.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 22:57:01 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d082fc7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us] 22:57:27 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d172-218-2-5.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: for the love of god this is not safe for work] 23:01:05 <LordAro> dammit, i'm not asleep yet -_- 23:01:10 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-155-172-157.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:04:37 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:26:54 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has quit [Quit: Hugs to all] 23:31:35 *** Markavian [~Markavian@78-105-168-146.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:36:26 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@78-105-168-146.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:48:23 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-78-102-217-126.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]