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[~stephen@host86-150-26-69.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:48:02 <MNIM> Hmmmh. my population will soon reach 100 million in freeciv. 12:48:14 <NGC3982> My god. I love Civilization. 12:48:38 <NGC3982> But i'm engaged, so i can't play more than an hour or so a day. 12:48:53 <NGC3982> That means no-no for Civ. :| 12:49:28 <MNIM> hah. 12:49:41 <MNIM> my current game takes an hour or so. 12:49:46 <MNIM> ...per turn 12:49:56 <NGC3982> Exactly. :( 12:50:43 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-150-26-69.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:50:57 <MNIM> it's my own fault, though 12:51:00 <MNIM> it's a huge map 12:55:03 <MNIM> I currently have 89 cities. :/ 12:56:00 <NGC3982> :E 12:58:48 <MNIM> 281 units. 13:05:47 *** Pecio [~fgh@acdn224.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 13:10:56 <NGC3982> I love trams. 13:11:47 <MNIM> but do you like trains? 13:13:00 <NGC3982> Of course i do. 13:13:34 <MNIM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHkKJfcBXcw 13:23:37 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 13:33:21 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@haqua.4chan.fm] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:33:32 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@haqua.4chan.fm] has joined #openttd 13:39:02 *** GriffinOneTwo [~oftc-webi@adsl-68-125-34-172.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:44:23 *** Super_Random [~kvirc@75-102-176-79.d2.itctel.com] has joined #openttd 13:47:02 *** Super_Random [~kvirc@75-102-176-79.d2.itctel.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:52:38 *** EyeMWing [~Wing@c-68-33-226-154.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [] 13:56:47 *** Pecio [~fgh@acdn224.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has left #openttd [] 13:57:50 <NGC3982> :( 14:07:39 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:12:11 *** LuHa [~LuHa@175.203.104.96] has joined #openttd 14:13:47 *** Pereba [~UserNick@186.212.235.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:25:15 *** Ristovski [~rafael@89.205.3.77] has joined #openttd 14:40:57 *** LuHa [~LuHa@175.203.104.96] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:00:25 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 15:01:18 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has joined #openttd 15:17:23 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-74-30.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:23:38 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:23:41 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-150-26-69.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:26:55 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-150-26-69.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:29:45 *** FrenkyPohodar [~oftc-webi@ip-89-176-184-9.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 15:30:14 <FrenkyPohodar> I wish you a nice day. 15:33:44 <FrenkyPohodar> Do you know where you can get the first boat? Now I'm the first in 1800, is a little earlier? a train pulled by a horse, I can not find one, too. Thanks very much for your advice and help. 15:34:20 <Pinkbeast> FrenkyPohodar: What newgrfs do you have loaded? 15:38:06 <FrenkyPohodar> No, I can not find newgrf, I found the ship (since 1700) but no train pulled by horses (some older ships are not covered year 1700) 15:38:44 <Eddi|zuHause> FrenkyPohodar: in eGRVTS you have horses as road vehicles 15:41:04 <FrenkyPohodar> yeah got it, but somewhere I once saw the train pulling the horse before the onset UKRS 2 (1830) 15:41:22 <Pinkbeast> FrenkyPohodar: That was not in UKRS2. You can load multiple vehicle newgrfs. 15:41:42 <Pinkbeast> "Sailing Ships" has some very old ships 15:44:15 <Eddi|zuHause> FrenkyPohodar: the grf may have been called "early rail" or similar 15:45:50 <Eddi|zuHause> FrenkyPohodar: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=41132 15:46:44 <FrenkyPohodar> ha I got it from a site "Before the year 1700 comes Early Rail and also UKRS Add-on (1500 start)" it will probably ono.Ted's what I found, thank you very much. :-) 15:55:58 *** ComLock [~chrisw@c1067BF51.dhcp.as2116.net] has joined #openttd 16:04:21 *** FrenkyPohodar [~oftc-webi@ip-89-176-184-9.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:06:07 *** Twofish [~Twofish@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. 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According to the strgen tables, the former does not have cases, while the latter does support them 18:15:19 <Alberth> hi frosch 18:15:36 <Alberth> for GS this is not a real problem, as it doesn't have cases anyway 18:16:48 <frosch123> moin 18:17:41 <frosch123> and yes, RAW_STRING does not support cases 18:18:16 <Alberth> do you know what WT does with this situation? 18:18:53 <Alberth> does it recognize STRING as being translated from RAW_STRING, and thus disallow a case? 18:19:53 <frosch123> only the source can tell :) 18:20:45 <Alberth> ok :) 18:22:08 <Alberth> I updated the patch queue for gs support, the translation of commands is not included yet 18:22:22 <Alberth> I can throw the stuff I have in trunk if you like 18:23:56 *** glx [kvirc@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:23:59 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 18:28:14 <frosch123> it looks to me like wt3 would accept cases for any string command 18:28:24 <frosch123> also {BLUE} 18:28:59 <planetmaker> hm :D 18:29:39 <frosch123> maybe we can just try it then :p 18:30:19 <LordAro> so, when is eints replacing wt3? ;p 18:30:39 <frosch123> when you port the master server to psql 18:30:45 <LordAro> D: 18:30:59 <LordAro> what does it use currently? 18:31:10 <frosch123> mysql 18:31:23 <frosch123> like everything old :p 18:31:49 <LordAro> :p 18:31:53 <Eddi|zuHause> nosql! 18:32:03 <Eddi|zuHause> (i don't even know what that does) 18:32:23 <LordAro> frosch123: doesn't seem too difficult ;) http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Converting_from_other_Databases_to_PostgreSQL#MySQL 18:32:46 <frosch123> linux, apache, mysql, php,... all the 90's :p 18:33:53 <planetmaker> LordAro, that doesn't convert tha application(s) using the DB 18:34:09 <LordAro> true ;) 18:34:21 <frosch123> LordAro: http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/browser/extra/masterserver_updater/docs/mysql-database-structure.sql 18:34:24 <planetmaker> which is here the actual task at hand :) 18:34:37 <frosch123> i refactored the msu to use a common sql interface 18:34:57 <frosch123> then learnt how non-standard mysql actually is, so all those weird scripts don't work 18:35:17 <frosch123> so, it ends up in a rewrite or so 18:35:33 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host58-55-dynamic.182-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:36:01 <Wolf01> evenink 18:36:43 <glx> frosch123: like every "simple" conversion ;) 18:37:46 <glx> and I guess the original code is full of direct access to DB 18:42:46 <Belugas> and ello 18:45:18 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26144 trunk/src/lang/slovak.txt (2013-12-05 18:45:11 UTC) 18:45:19 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:20 <DorpsGek> slovak - 1 changes by Tinix 18:51:47 <frosch123> Alberth: the patch queue on devs is still the old one 18:55:04 <Alberth> frosch123: updated, 100 is a first step towards translation string creation 18:55:24 <Alberth> it needs more work 19:07:53 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.95.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:08:02 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 19:08:39 <Alberth> o/ 19:16:43 <andythenorth> hi hi 19:17:17 <frosch123> Alberth: looks fine, i think we just put it into production :) 19:17:27 <frosch123> do you push? 19:17:58 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:19:26 <Alberth> frosch123: pushed 19:19:35 <frosch123> oh, eints is actually offline 19:19:36 *** skyem123 [~skyem123@cpc1-walt4-0-0-cust432.13-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 19:20:10 <andythenorth> 503 19:20:14 <Alberth> except 100, but that code is not being used currently anyway 19:20:23 <frosch123> hmm, yeah, i killed it yesterday when experimenting with the issue reporter 19:20:23 <andythenorth> I noticed earlier today, but wasn't in the channel, sorry :( 19:20:27 <frosch123> but did not restart it :p 19:20:50 <Alberth> a whole day without translations :p 19:22:13 <andythenorth> pingdom it :P 19:22:55 <Alberth> andythenorth: what do you think of #6611 ? 19:23:21 <andythenorth> makes sense 19:23:53 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has joined #openttd 19:23:58 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 19:24:06 <andythenorth> I can't remember the current view 19:24:22 <andythenorth> might be that the current situation needs improved, rather than a new view 19:25:19 <Alberth> overview page of a language is not very useful atm 19:25:52 <andythenorth> when it's back online I'll look :) 19:26:10 <Alberth> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/eints/repository/entry/docs/manual/language_overview.png 19:26:12 <planetmaker> this made my day: http://imagebin.org/280737 19:26:57 <andythenorth> planetmaker: you should see our compatibility requirements :( 19:27:01 <andythenorth> we just dropped IE6 19:27:16 <andythenorth> we've delivered training in 'training suites' with IE 5, within the last couple of years :( 19:27:33 <planetmaker> woot? 19:27:34 <Alberth> andythenorth: fire the boss 19:27:50 <planetmaker> :D 19:28:17 <andythenorth> Alberth: yeah, that view has a few reports against it 19:28:20 <andythenorth> it basically sucks :) 19:28:40 <andythenorth> would make much more sense as table, or two columns some other way 19:28:43 <Alberth> planetmaker: the course is about learning linux, you first need to complete the course before you can drive linux safely :) 19:29:01 <planetmaker> :D 19:30:10 <Alberth> two columns would be nice, imho 19:30:40 <planetmaker> george's report makes sense to me, yes 19:38:32 *** LuHa [~LuHa@175.203.104.96] has joined #openttd 19:46:07 *** LuHa [~LuHa@175.203.104.96] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:52:50 *** montalvo [~montalvo@host109-151-42-35.range109-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzzâŠ] 19:59:13 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-150-26-69.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:22:56 <andythenorth> so....manual cargodist 20:23:03 <andythenorth> where are packets assigned destinations? 20:23:14 <andythenorth> at originating industry / house? 20:23:20 <andythenorth> or at first station they are delivered to? 20:24:02 <Alberth> afaik manual cdist means "disable cdist", ie "old behaviour" 20:24:21 * Alberth votes for "first station they are delivered to" 20:25:56 <andythenorth> does the code accept voting? :) 20:26:08 <andythenorth> presumably this is already defined somewhere o_O 20:26:46 <Alberth> code is not democratic :p 20:27:06 <andythenorth> one code one vote 20:28:14 <Alberth> I fear we'd be outnumbered by code then :) 20:28:37 *** flaa [~flaa@89.100.79.103] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:31:49 *** montalvo [~montalvo@host109-151-42-35.range109-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:33:51 *** DanMacK [~63f9c362@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 20:43:07 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:43:22 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:44:27 *** zydeco [~zydeco@110.76.18.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:51:50 <andythenorth> ugh this mac is slow :( 21:02:43 *** treaki_ [b8b54d70a6@p4FDF7F5E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:03:28 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:07:26 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@78.97.205.68] has quit [] 21:12:54 *** skyem123 [~skyem123@cpc1-walt4-0-0-cust432.13-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:22:20 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 21:23:29 <andythenorth> so the rule that train grfs shouldn't contain their railtypes - reasons are...? 21:24:34 <planetmaker> reason is: why should they? Makes it a nightmare also to combine sets 21:24:59 <planetmaker> other reason: why would you need when you can use a RTT easily? 21:25:10 <planetmaker> it's no additional effort in the vehicle set 21:25:11 <andythenorth> (not having tried it yet) 21:25:21 <andythenorth> seems akin to providing industry set and cargos separately 21:26:54 <planetmaker> better make one set which provides everything, houses, industries, vehicles, cargos, terrain 21:27:24 <andythenorth> I guess I just find it weird 21:27:46 <andythenorth> some vehicles won't appear unless player hunts down precisely the right accompanying grf 21:27:47 <planetmaker> so you ask a vehicle manufacturer to also provide the roads or tracks? 21:28:01 <planetmaker> andythenorth, not true. Just set the right cascade on railtypes 21:28:07 <andythenorth> doesn't make any senes 21:28:09 <andythenorth> sense * 21:28:16 <andythenorth> in case of narrow gauge for example 21:28:17 *** zydeco [~zydeco@152.76.18.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 21:28:18 <andythenorth> or metro 21:28:20 <planetmaker> cascade everything down to one of RAIL, ELRL, MONO and MGLV 21:28:32 <andythenorth> nah, I'd just disable those vehicles instead 21:28:35 <planetmaker> NG perfectly cascades down to RAIL 21:28:41 <andythenorth> they're meaningless for gameplay in that case 21:28:45 <andythenorth> better to remove them 21:28:52 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 21:29:04 <andythenorth> * this is just theory right now, I haven't tried it :) 21:29:12 <andythenorth> trying to figure out where to start 21:29:37 <andythenorth> I guess I start by finding grfs that contain ng rails 21:30:58 <andythenorth> is there any way to find that out? 21:31:07 <andythenorth> maybe that strange wiki page? 21:31:30 <planetmaker> maybe, dunno really :) 21:32:11 <andythenorth> http://wiki.openttd.org/GRF_List 21:32:13 <andythenorth> found some 21:32:20 <andythenorth> oh not a railtype grf :( 21:32:36 <andythenorth> banananas has one 21:32:55 <andythenorth> maybe bananas should allow deps 21:45:14 <andythenorth> I am reading https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=59379 21:45:21 <andythenorth> but so far I don't understand :) 21:45:34 <planetmaker> andythenorth, bananas *does* allow deps. Just use musa to set them 21:45:41 <andythenorth> ooh 21:46:14 <planetmaker> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Standardized_Railtype_Scheme <-- read that rather, andythenorth ;) 21:46:21 <planetmaker> same author, better place maybe 21:47:37 <andythenorth> setting axle weights? 21:47:39 <andythenorth> really? 21:47:42 <andythenorth> per vehicle? 21:47:46 <andythenorth> no 21:50:08 <andythenorth> I think I prefer this page :) 21:50:09 <andythenorth> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/RailtypeLabels 21:50:12 <andythenorth> much simpler 21:50:43 <planetmaker> that's as chaoitic as cargo labels. No scheme, just everyone's own design 21:50:58 <planetmaker> and you then finally need to support zillions of different shit 21:51:31 <andythenorth> I don't have a problem with cargo labels, they're easy :) 21:51:49 <planetmaker> and different vehicle sets interpreting the labels differently. while foobar's scheme is quite clear... 21:52:37 <andythenorth> ok I'll try reading it again another time 21:52:39 <planetmaker> yeah... cargo labels. FRUT. FRUI, FRVG; STEL, METL, SCRP, COPR, ... 21:52:52 <andythenorth> doesn't matter, they're all supportable :) 21:52:58 <planetmaker> but there it makes more sense than the different RTL which cover the same 21:53:04 <andythenorth> agreed 21:54:33 <andythenorth> that scheme should have reserved a character for "I just don't care about this parameter" 21:54:50 <andythenorth> seems to have done that for speed 21:56:44 * andythenorth wonders where metro is handled 21:58:12 <andythenorth> hmm ok, I concede, it's a raging mess 21:58:25 <andythenorth> I just realised the metro 'support' I added a few weeks ago is pretty incomplete 21:58:46 <andythenorth> it needs to cascade through a load more shit to handle railtype grfs I didn't consider (nor care about) :P 21:58:59 *** heffer [felix@hyperion.fk.cx] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:59:19 <andythenorth> I also have zero idea how (for example) nutracks cascades types internally 21:59:44 <andythenorth> maybe it will look better in the morning :) 22:00:14 <planetmaker> I doubt it will 22:00:30 <andythenorth> you can see why people might think "ok I'll just make my own tracks" 22:00:34 <andythenorth> even if separate grf :P 22:00:49 <frosch123> night 22:00:54 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f747561.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 22:00:55 <planetmaker> http://xkcd.com/927/ ? 22:01:00 <andythenorth> standards? 22:01:03 * andythenorth guesses 22:01:05 <planetmaker> ^ 22:01:14 <andythenorth> yeah that always comes up for railtypes :) 22:01:16 <planetmaker> good guess :P 22:01:38 <andythenorth> had this discussion before :) 22:01:57 <andythenorth> planetmaker: so if *you* were doing narrow gauge trains, what would you set? 22:02:02 <andythenorth> NGRL, NAAN, some other crap? 22:02:17 <andythenorth> there's nothing complicated like a specific gauge, or two types of NG 22:02:29 <andythenorth> maybe there's electrified in future, maybe 22:02:51 <andythenorth> but it won't care about 25Kv, AC, DC, 3rd rail, 4th rail, etc 22:03:22 <andythenorth> oh, and if there's no suitable track, the trains shouldn't appear ;) 22:03:51 <planetmaker> it doesn't appear automatically, if none of the tracks is available 22:04:05 <andythenorth> so just don't fallback to RAIL or ELRL 22:04:09 <planetmaker> ^ 22:04:30 <planetmaker> let's see what I'd do... 22:06:05 <peter1138> Just don't overcomplicate this shit 22:08:38 <andythenorth> trying :) 22:08:43 <andythenorth> once upon a time it was simple 22:08:48 <andythenorth> someone made a ng rails grf 22:08:59 <andythenorth> then there was a big argument with OzTrans about some crap 22:09:05 <andythenorth> and life was simple :) 22:09:20 <DanMacK> lol 22:09:46 * DanMacK had a similar argument with OzTRans 22:09:50 <andythenorth> I remember trying to track down that damn grf to play canset 22:09:56 <andythenorth> pre-bananas 22:10:19 *** Super_Random [~kvirc@75-102-176-79.d2.itctel.com] has joined #openttd 22:11:25 *** adf89 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has joined #openttd 22:11:27 <planetmaker> NAbN, NAaN, NAAN, NABN, NACN, NADN, NAEN, NGRL, NLOW, NAbE, NAaE, NAAE, NABE, NACE, NADE, NAEE, NBAN, ENLW, ENHI, ELNG 22:11:29 <planetmaker> bah 22:11:51 <planetmaker> leave out everything up to NLOW for electrified 22:11:53 <andythenorth> I mean, I see the point of this :) 22:11:59 <andythenorth> but it's also a little mad 22:12:04 <andythenorth> it's just a train game :) 22:12:38 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:14:27 <DanMacK> He's a bit controlling 22:14:59 <andythenorth> he does ship stuff though 22:15:04 <andythenorth> can't fault that :P 22:15:41 <andythenorth> planetmaker: I saved your list to a ticket, thanks 22:16:14 <DanMacK> true 22:17:04 <DanMacK> although I've been threatened him a few times to pull my graphics from CanRail 22:18:09 * andythenorth time for bed 22:18:36 <andythenorth> bye 22:18:38 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:19:04 <planetmaker> DanMacK, I was still hoping for your canadian train graphics to appear in the set we started... 22:20:20 <DanMacK> yeah 22:20:29 <DanMacK> I just hjave so much going on lately... lol 22:21:28 *** adf89 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:24:36 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has joined #openttd 22:26:46 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B5BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:28:38 *** DanMacK [~63f9c362@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:29:17 <Wolf01> 'night all 22:29:22 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:30:16 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6D4E.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:31:44 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:32:36 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 22:36:34 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:43:03 *** FrenkyPohodar [~oftc-webi@ip-89-176-184-9.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 22:48:06 <FrenkyPohodar> I wish you a nice evening. You do not know how to start the server (dedicated) to apply the modified settings? (openttd.conf) :-) I set very little boat, so I edited it, but now how to load the new settings, probably something in cmd? 22:49:14 <planetmaker> uh, what? 22:49:38 <planetmaker> while openttd is running, modifications to openttd.cfg are pointless 22:49:53 <planetmaker> they will get overwritten when openttd exits 22:50:07 <planetmaker> to change settings on a running game on a server, you need to use rcon 22:50:15 <planetmaker> rcon password "set settingname value" 22:51:01 <planetmaker> http://wiki.openttd.org/Console 22:52:17 <FrenkyPohodar> Few ships, so I manually changed the settings in openttd.conf but the game does not know about the change. 22:53:14 *** abchirk_ [~abchirk@f052226006.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 22:53:44 <planetmaker> rcon password "set max_ships value" 22:54:01 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:54:13 <planetmaker> editing openttd.cfg never affects a savegame or running openttd 22:54:42 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 22:57:03 <FrenkyPohodar> so again I can do something new, thank you. :-) 22:57:22 <planetmaker> you're welcome 23:00:23 *** Jomann [~abchirk@g225006065.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:04:36 *** Ristovski [~rafael@89.205.3.77] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:04:56 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has quit [Quit: adf88] 23:11:52 *** FrenkyPohodar [~oftc-webi@ip-89-176-184-9.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:14:20 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 23:18:01 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.153.186] has joined #openttd 23:19:20 *** zydeco [~zydeco@152.76.18.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Miscellaneous hardware exception error] 23:21:18 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-150-26-69.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:30:18 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 23:30:21 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 23:37:52 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [] 23:47:27 *** montalvo [~montalvo@host109-151-42-35.range109-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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