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00:07:43 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@a79-169-2-218.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #openttd 00:10:23 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:57:08 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 01:19:25 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C358B.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 01:39:06 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 01:46:26 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6BC79.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:13:35 *** Airwave [~Airwave@0001a5d2.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 02:15:14 <Airwave> I have a station that's becoming somewhat of a bottleneck in my railway system. Any tips on how to improve it? 02:15:19 <Airwave> Screenshot: https://frh.no/station.png 02:18:54 *** abchirk_ [~abchirk@p57A0AB1F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 02:25:39 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:25:58 *** Jomann [~abchirk@p57A09169.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:30:05 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:30:23 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 02:42:54 *** supermop [~daniel_er@d110-33-173-77.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: supermop] 02:54:00 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.17.23.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 02:59:35 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:03:59 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has joined #openttd 03:10:14 <Flygon> Airwave: Yes 03:11:48 <Airwave> Flygon: Sweet. It's slightly changed now, by the way. 03:12:06 <Flygon> Airwave: What I'd do is make sure the two incoming and outgoing lines don't conflict 03:12:08 <Airwave> I have another railroad coming in there now. If you refresh the image you'll see it. 03:12:24 <Flygon> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2651992/Art/Other/openttdwtfcloverleaf.png Rudimentary example here (try not to chuckle. I only noticed the way it looks when I finished constructing x.x) 03:12:49 <Flygon> Your two bottlenecks are the immediate station entrances and exits 03:13:07 <Airwave> What does it look like? Mickey Mouse? 03:13:29 <Flygon> Try not to think on it too mch 03:13:36 <Flygon> Point is... 03:13:53 <Flygon> Have three seperate tracks merging together at the entrance... but with a more complex arrangement 03:13:55 <Flygon> Ditto exit 03:13:56 <Airwave> If you tell me what it looks like I can focus. 03:14:12 <Airwave> Is it Mickey? 03:14:32 <Airwave> Which one is the entrance and which is the exit, by the way? 03:14:42 <Flygon> There's two entrance's, two exits 03:14:50 <Flygon> The south end is the entrance, the north end is the exit 03:14:59 <Flygon> Note how the two lines each are all 100% seperate 03:15:01 <Airwave> Ok. Makes sense. 03:15:06 <Flygon> Until the switch directly next to the station 03:15:39 <Airwave> Right. 03:16:05 <Airwave> How would I apply that to my station? I'm having a little trouble visualizing it. 03:17:02 <Flygon> I'm trying to find an archived screenshot, but can't find a good example 03:17:38 <Airwave> Here's the save game, if that would help: https://frh.no/station.sav 03:21:21 <Flygon> Okay, since I can't find any good examples 03:21:23 <Flygon> I got a bad example 03:21:23 <Flygon> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2651992/Art/Other/openttdtracklayoutmassive.png 03:21:30 <Flygon> Pretend it's a one-way station 03:21:35 <Flygon> One side is all entrance tracks 03:21:39 <Flygon> One side is all exit tracks 03:22:00 <Flygon> Note how there is no real issues with bottlenecking track capacity 03:22:12 <Flygon> At least, bar trains entering and exiting at the joints 03:22:16 <Airwave> Right. I see. 03:22:22 <Airwave> I'd have to decimate that nearby lake. 03:22:43 <Flygon> You don't have to build a station that big 03:23:06 <Flygon> In fact 03:23:10 <Flygon> Your station is very easy to refit 03:23:32 <Flygon> Lemme get paint.net out 03:23:42 <Airwave> Ok, cool. 03:23:55 <Airwave> Thanks, by the way. I really appreciate the help. 03:25:37 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@a79-169-2-218.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:27:16 <Flygon> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2651992/Art/Other/airwavelayout.png 03:27:45 <Airwave> Ah, I see. That's interesting. 03:27:54 <Airwave> Let me try to change it in-game and post a screenshot. 03:30:33 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6BC79.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 03:32:30 <Airwave> I'm not that great with signaling though. Which signals do I put where? 03:34:05 <Airwave> Aaaand I just crashed two trains. 03:34:23 <Airwave> Fortunately I saved first. 03:34:41 <Flygon> I only ever use three signals 03:34:55 <Flygon> One way, block, and that signal that's like a one way one but trains can pass from behind it 03:39:15 <Airwave> But which ones do I put where? 03:39:22 <Airwave> I'm trying to work it out, but just crashing trains. 03:39:34 <Flygon> I'm unsure how to explain it x: 03:42:13 <Flygon> Signalling's one of those things that's very hard to explain unless you can explain it live x.x 03:42:18 <Flygon> And even then, I'm a bad teacher 03:42:27 * Flygon prods #openttd, anyone else around? 03:44:48 *** Hazzard_ [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 03:45:06 <Airwave> Ok, I've made the changes. 03:46:35 <Airwave> Ok, updated station: https://frh.no/station.png 03:48:44 <Airwave> The problem now is that only one train at a time can be in that whole thing right at the entrance of the station, so they end up waiting longer than they need to. 03:50:05 <Airwave> It's still a definite improvement though. 03:50:32 <Flygon> Remove the grey exit signals and replace all the yellow entry signals with One Way Signals 03:51:05 <Flygon> That'll allow any amount of train as per. track capacity to go through 03:51:15 <Airwave> Ok, I'll give that a try. 03:51:19 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:51:52 <Flygon> And your exit is still a tad bottlenecked 03:52:44 <Airwave> Yeah, I didn't change that. 03:53:56 <Airwave> That signaling change appears to have done the trick. 03:54:02 <Airwave> No more waiting, yet no crashes so far. 03:54:21 * Flygon nod 03:55:02 <Airwave> Awesome. Thank you very much. 04:00:14 <Airwave> By the way, this is not a problem I'm dealing with now, but it's something I'm wondering nonetheless: If I accidentally bring e.g. a mail car to a station and it starts piling up mail as a result, is there any way to make it stop? 04:00:28 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.17.23.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:00:47 <Flygon> No 04:00:51 <Airwave> Ok. 04:00:59 <Flygon> And yes 04:01:03 <Flygon> That annoys me to no end too 04:02:41 <Airwave> Yeah. 04:03:59 <Airwave> Well, I'm off to bed I think. Thanks again for the help. It's really much more efficient now. 04:05:21 <Flygon> Sleep well 04:05:27 <Flygon> And, don't worry 04:05:34 <Flygon> Yoou figure it out after 7 years 04:05:54 <Airwave> Hehe 04:06:15 <Airwave> Night. 04:06:17 *** Airwave [~Airwave@0001a5d2.user.oftc.net] has left #openttd [] 04:15:08 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 04:31:58 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-182-195-245.range86-182.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 04:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67B09.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 04:56:21 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4663.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:05:12 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:06:07 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 05:12:16 *** Dan9550 [~dan9550@66.238-27-211.dynamic.dsl.mel.iprimus.net.au] has joined #openttd 05:16:54 *** Hazzard_ [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:38:44 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:39:09 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 05:42:56 *** _2rB [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 05:42:56 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:09:06 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 06:10:14 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:27:09 *** lskynl [~LSky@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 06:28:44 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 06:29:15 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:36:00 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:38:45 *** supermop [~daniel_er@d110-33-173-77.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:41:17 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 06:44:32 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-179-32-158.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 06:49:41 *** _2rB [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:50:36 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 06:52:47 <andythenorth> daylength 06:52:57 * andythenorth would like RL daylength 06:52:59 <V453000> nightlength 06:53:05 <andythenorth> variable between faster and slower 06:53:06 <V453000> yes would be cool 06:53:21 <andythenorth> I believe it can be achieved pharmaceutically 06:53:27 <andythenorth> possibly with side effects :( 06:53:44 <andythenorth> a crack habit is a bit of a commitment 06:54:04 <V453000> :D 06:54:08 <andythenorth> also a crack-based daylength patch is incompatible with children 06:54:14 <andythenorth> also employment 06:54:23 <andythenorth> hmm 06:54:31 <andythenorth> gives me an idea though 06:54:52 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 06:54:55 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 06:55:02 <andythenorth> all those players who want daylength in openttd - why donât they just do ketamine or amphetamine, as appropriate? 06:55:09 <andythenorth> simply adjust the player, instead of adjusting the game 06:55:36 <Alberth> I mostly wonder why nobody makes a newgrf that fixes the problem :) 06:55:40 <Alberth> hi hi btw 06:56:13 <V453000> I mainly wonder why they need more than 200 years of gameplay if they generally play for like 2 hours anywau 06:56:14 <andythenorth> I guess these players would argue that taking halucegenic drugs was unrealistic :( 06:56:32 <Alberth> too obsessed with real-life history, I guess 06:56:32 <andythenorth> they would probably make charts and shit to prove it 06:57:00 * andythenorth proposes a new option⊠âTime progression: random" 06:57:22 <andythenorth> there is no particular known reason in physics why time goes forward 06:57:29 <andythenorth> just seems to be a convention 06:57:33 <Alberth> "none" is easier, just don't display the date :p 06:57:38 <andythenorth> Alberth: +1 06:57:49 <andythenorth> there are no nights, and no real seasons 06:57:53 <andythenorth> so why bother with dates? 06:57:57 <V453000> charts and shit made my day andythenorth :D 06:58:22 <Alberth> and it's only 9am :D 06:58:30 <andythenorth> âI took drugs and I saw things that are *not* described in the trains section of wikipedia. UNREALISTICâ 06:58:34 <V453000> (: 06:58:39 <V453000> LOL 06:59:38 <V453000> starting to model power plant (: 06:59:46 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:00:07 * andythenorth proposes drug-therapy problem for the train nerds, it does help in life generally when you learn how easily what you see and think can be distorted 07:00:18 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 07:00:27 <V453000> :D 07:00:35 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po2-84-90-120-62.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 07:00:38 <Samu> hi 07:00:58 <andythenorth> is today âopen refactor_this.lessâ and start actual work? Or is today something else? 07:01:17 <andythenorth> on the plus side, Iâd like to get it done. On the negative side, nobody ever welcomes that job 07:01:22 <Alberth> it may also be sunday, or sun day 07:01:28 <V453000> :d 07:01:30 <andythenorth> yes but I have childcare 07:01:34 <andythenorth> so I can do actual work 07:01:35 <V453000> could be yeti or yeti 07:01:38 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc7-pres17-2-0-cust28.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 07:01:41 <andythenorth> I only do actual work about 3 days per month 07:01:46 <V453000> :d 07:01:47 <Alberth> :o 07:02:01 <andythenorth> the rest of the time I am in an office, where I sign things and read paperwork and stuff 07:02:14 <andythenorth> or nap 07:02:34 <andythenorth> or Iâm âentertaining' my children 07:02:43 <Alberth> busy andy :) 07:03:10 <andythenorth> after a hard morning of redmine ticket admin, a nap is just the thing 07:03:14 <V453000> well for the last few weeks I have nothing to do at work either so I just model yeti 07:03:28 <V453000> (: 07:03:35 <andythenorth> bodes well for European GDP :P 07:04:02 <andythenorth> I could animate something in FIRS 07:05:09 <Alberth> a yeti guest appearance? 07:05:47 <andythenorth> hide it in a mine 07:06:02 <Alberth> although they should appear from an ufo, of course 07:09:32 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:11:16 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has quit [Quit: Valete omnes] 07:12:08 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6BC79.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:32:06 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 07:32:07 <supermop> apparently there are no decent australian wool mills that I can find 07:32:33 <supermop> want to buy a nice woven blanket and seems my best bet is pendleton 07:33:01 <supermop> for some reason i though wool was a big industry here 07:33:14 <supermop> i guess i should look for a bauxite blanket 07:33:28 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:33:42 <Samu> problem: i can't change freight weight during multiplayer, but I can in single player. is there a reason for that? 07:34:30 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 07:36:48 <Flygon> Didn'tcha hear supermop? We outsourced that to China 07:36:59 <Flygon> More seriously now 07:37:07 <Flygon> The Wool Industry was gigantic here 07:37:12 <Alberth> Samu: yep, preventing desyncs 07:37:14 <Flygon> But changed around the 80s-90s 07:37:34 <Samu> aww 07:38:59 <planetmaker> moin moin 07:39:05 <Alberth> hi hi pm 07:39:11 <Flygon> Menta 07:39:27 <peter1139> Alberth, if clients == 0 ... 07:39:46 <peter1139> SEND EVERYTHING TO A DEPOT 07:40:56 <Alberth> perhaps, but your patch was obviously not included, as Samu then would not have a problem 07:41:14 <peter1139> :D :D 07:42:47 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:44:11 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 07:44:26 *** Samu_ [~oftc-webi@po2-84-90-120-62.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 07:44:28 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po2-84-90-120-62.netvisao.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:48:15 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has joined #openttd 07:48:42 *** Phreeze [~p@vodsl-11053.vo.lu] has joined #openttd 07:49:00 <Phreeze> yop 07:52:25 * Alberth waves 07:52:54 <Phreeze> glad my gf bought that "energy water" 07:53:02 <Phreeze> it's nice after 5 pints of cider... 07:53:36 <Flygon> So basically water mixed with sugar 07:54:09 <pthagnar> caffeine too, probably 07:55:02 <Phreeze> no caff, but sugar and added vitamines 07:55:05 <Phreeze> and much spacy shit 07:55:17 <Phreeze> E340ii 07:55:21 <Phreeze> E414, E445 07:55:22 <Phreeze> etc 07:55:24 *** _2rB [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 07:55:37 <Phreeze> and OMG NaCl ! :D 07:55:48 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:56:41 <planetmaker> we will all die! 07:56:54 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6D774.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:57:13 *** tyteen4a03 [tyteen@Daedalusx.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:57:35 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:57:48 <Samu_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NaCl 07:58:40 <planetmaker> I think everyone knows what NaCl is... 08:00:09 <planetmaker> Phreeze, does it also contain di-hydrogen monoxide? Allegedly one of the deadliest substances ever 08:00:28 <Rubidium> planetmaker: since not everyone knows about dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO)... I doubt the NaCl is known by everyone 08:00:35 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:00:40 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.40.220.185] has quit [Quit: My AdiIRC has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz⊠[www.adiirc.com]] 08:01:48 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-182-195-245.range86-182.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 08:03:23 <Phreeze> still have that "right move" mousebug 08:03:35 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 08:03:36 <Rubidium> and don't forget that they often forget the mention hydroxide and hydronium ;) 08:03:41 <Phreeze> when i move the view with the right mouse button, it often accelerates like hell 08:05:20 <Samu_> try with another mouse 08:05:38 <Samu_> i don't seem to have a problem 08:10:21 <andythenorth> isnât DHMO rebranded âAquaâ ? 08:10:28 <Phreeze> it worked well before 1.4.0 08:10:37 <Phreeze> the mouse is pretty new 08:12:56 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:12:56 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:13:34 <Samu_> could be new but with defective 08:14:12 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:14:43 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 08:14:57 <Phreeze> ... 08:15:14 <Phreeze> i'm experienced enough to say it's NOT the mouse, i play lots of other games etc. ;) 08:15:15 <Samu_> im scrolling with right click button pressed down, i dont seem to have a problem 08:15:23 <Samu_> maybe you're talking about sensitivity? 08:15:26 <V453000> guys are you aware that if you actually play the game, you have less time for pointless talk about (to your opinion missing) features? 08:15:26 <Phreeze> it's not always, but sometimes 08:15:36 <Phreeze> i am playing V ;) 08:16:34 <V453000> clearly not enough 08:17:20 <andythenorth> V453000: I disagree 100% 08:17:24 <Samu_> i am playing 08:17:28 <andythenorth> whenever I play the gameâŠ.more talk 08:17:32 <V453000> :D 08:17:41 <V453000> yes andy but you know what you are talking about 08:17:49 <Samu_> there's barely any chat in game 08:18:05 <Samu_> what would I do then? watch my ships move around? 08:18:12 <V453000> build more trains? 08:18:50 <Phreeze> with no money ? 08:18:54 <Phreeze> i just started on btpro ;) 08:19:21 <Samu_> im on btpro K13 i think 08:19:48 <V453000> well that explains everything 08:20:26 <Samu_> how? 08:25:35 *** talebowl [~delltvgat@ip-83-134-96-105.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 08:25:47 <Phreeze> he's talking trash ;) 08:26:25 <Samu_> http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_xp-desktop/how-to-increase-minimum-drag-distance/9816365c-049a-4eb9-a5fa-5126ec6781a2?msgId=595cf2cc-0b13-41bf-88a9-4268f69fdd2c 08:26:25 <Alberth> no, V plays co-operative games, where there is lots of discussion 08:26:59 <planetmaker> yeah. V is usually pretty chatty on the coop servers :) 08:27:15 <planetmaker> as are the other guys (and gals?) there 08:27:29 <andythenorth> ho 08:27:33 <planetmaker> hi 08:27:34 <V453000> because there is stuff to discuss when someone plays the game properly :P 08:27:38 <andythenorth> thereâs a whole world of stuff out there I didnât know about 08:27:47 <planetmaker> world of stuff?! 08:27:50 * andythenorth just found a totally new set of FIRS discussions 08:27:54 <Samu_> cops servers use those weird vehicles, i dont like it 08:27:59 <planetmaker> andythenorth, where? :) 08:28:05 <andythenorth> btpro 08:28:09 <planetmaker> ho 08:28:12 <andythenorth> http://openttd.btpro.nl/index.php?option=com_kunena&view=category&catid=28&Itemid=604 08:28:21 <V453000> weird vehicles =D I win 100 points 08:28:48 <Phreeze> how can it be that a fruit plantagen says "78% transported" while 4 trains are waiting for ages !? 08:29:08 <Alberth> trains too long? 08:29:13 <planetmaker> station rating, Phreeze ? 08:29:42 <Phreeze> it's pretty new...but still 08:30:02 <Phreeze> 100% are loaded, so it should show 100% 08:30:06 <Phreeze> not 78% 08:30:23 <V453000> station rating. 08:30:52 <Samu_> put another separate station and load from both 08:31:45 <Phreeze> i dont want that 08:32:08 <Samu_> buy a statue 08:32:22 <Phreeze> it's a fruit farm ;) 08:32:37 <Alberth> Samu_: so there is chat about the game, it just got moved to #openttd :) 08:32:41 <V453000> just face it that you cant get more out of it and connect another fruit plantation? 08:32:48 <Phreeze> join server 14 bt pro, desert 4000 pop goal 08:33:01 <Samu_> i'm on 13 08:33:05 <Phreeze> it's 1 station with 4 trains that serves 2 plantations 08:33:12 <Samu_> the only real server for ships 08:33:19 <Samu_> but then they only limit it to 20... how dumb 08:33:31 <planetmaker> I wonder whether they run (also) patched servers. Additionally to offering patched clients 08:33:58 <planetmaker> though the client supposedly only contains client-side patches 08:34:02 <Samu_> let me see 08:34:32 <Samu_> oops, K3, not 13 08:37:19 <V453000> I knew people on btpro are bad, but that they cant read numbers I didnt know :P 08:38:10 <planetmaker> http://openttd.btpro.nl/index.php?option=com_kunena&view=home&defaultmenu=606&Itemid=604 <-- V453000 with all those numbers I'd constantly get it wrong, too 08:38:27 <V453000> :D what the fuck is that 08:38:42 <planetmaker> their client... with quick-click to their individual servers 08:38:49 <V453000> right I see 08:39:15 <V453000> not yeti enough 08:39:16 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-105-92-43.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 08:43:54 <andythenorth> Phreeze: use a piglet 08:45:15 *** _2rB [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:46:04 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 08:46:21 <Phreeze> a what ? 08:47:32 <Samu_> Phreeze: http://wiki.openttd.org/Station_Ratings#Station_rating 08:51:17 <V453000> power plant should obviously produce batteries. 08:51:50 <andythenorth> hmm 08:52:00 <andythenorth> can I be arsed to read the tram drawing code? 08:52:07 <andythenorth> the offsets look to be different 08:52:07 <V453000> nope 08:52:08 <planetmaker> in yeti it definitely does. In toyland it well could. though maybe rather use batteries? 08:52:28 <V453000> no it uses coal and fills batteries with energy =D 08:52:34 <V453000> or uranium, yeah 08:52:38 <planetmaker> oil 08:52:42 <planetmaker> wind 08:52:47 <planetmaker> wind energy gets a new meaning then 08:52:53 <V453000> oil is elsewhere already :) 08:53:01 <planetmaker> would well suit yeti. wind power plant: gather wind, provide batteries :) 08:53:05 <planetmaker> primary industry thus 08:53:26 <planetmaker> maybe uses workers which need to provide the wind :D 08:53:43 <planetmaker> thus you could feed them beans :DD 08:53:53 <Rubidium> the creation of simple throw away batteries does not require electricity. It's just packaging some metals and chemicals together 08:54:31 <V453000> Rubidium: that is exactly why human technogoly isnt nearly as advanced as yeti technology 08:54:32 <planetmaker> how realistic :( 08:54:34 <Rubidium> so *if* the power plant creates batteries, it should get the raw ingredients for them... or just depleted rechargeable batteries from somewhere else 08:55:01 <V453000> k I give it uranium 08:55:30 <Rubidium> I doubt that stores many electrons 08:55:38 <planetmaker> 92 per atom :P 08:55:48 *** DanMacK [~0a0a6574@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 08:55:54 <V453000> I charge them batteries at the plant 08:55:56 <V453000> eazy 08:56:03 <Rubidium> planetmaker: and how many of them can you rip easily? 08:56:11 <V453000> 93 08:56:12 <planetmaker> one, I think 08:56:35 <planetmaker> hm... no, 6 08:56:38 <planetmaker> there's UF6 08:56:50 <planetmaker> usued in the actual enrichment process 08:56:51 <Rubidium> so... in effect, for battery purposes it stores 1 and needs 92 to "operate" 08:57:36 <planetmaker> and the F definitely 'accepts' the electrons. No better material to gnaw at electrons than F 09:02:34 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AD52.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:03:32 <Phreeze> is this the chemistry channel ? :D 09:05:37 <planetmaker> it's on-topic. It needs discussion in the light of which cargoes go in and out! ;) 09:06:10 <Samu_> there's still servers that are using Original instead of YAPF for ships :( 09:06:34 <planetmaker> yeah, they didn't adjust their cfg 09:06:37 <Samu_> YAPF is much smarter, albeit annoying with ship is lost when they're not, I can just turn it off 09:07:47 *** _2rB [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 09:07:51 <Samu_> why does it think it's lost when it's going in the right direction everytime (almost) 09:08:15 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:09:23 <Phreeze> time to order pizza 09:12:30 <Phreeze> hm not 09:12:34 <Phreeze> 11h10..not open yet 09:13:12 *** DanMacK [~0a0a6574@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:15:35 <Taede> mornin 09:16:09 *** Smedles [~quassel@101.166.76.198] has joined #openttd 09:18:29 <planetmaker> o/ 09:28:13 *** _2rB [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:28:26 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 09:39:27 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6D774.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:44:20 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-179-32-158.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 09:53:10 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6A0BC.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 09:56:21 <planetmaker> hm, I broke setup.py 10:00:59 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 10:06:44 *** _2rB [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 10:06:44 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:07:29 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@rainbowwarrior.torservers.net] has joined #openttd 10:15:40 *** SylvieLorxu [~sylvie@dslb-094-220-170-160.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 10:15:49 <Eddi|zuHause> <V453000> yes andy but you know what you are talking about <-- that is the best joke i heard today :p 10:23:24 *** _2rB [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:24:25 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 10:28:05 <Samu_> my server today isn't being successful :( 10:29:13 <Samu_> http://www.openttd.org/en/server/80714 10:29:47 <Samu_> 1 client, well, not really, I'm server 10:29:52 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AD52.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:30:00 <Rubidium> still, more than average amount of users 10:31:15 <Rubidium> it's even in the top 25 percentile of number of clients 10:31:52 <Samu_> it is counting me as client, not server 10:32:44 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:33:37 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 10:33:47 <planetmaker> for non-dedicated servers that makes sense 10:33:50 *** abchirk_ [~abchirk@p57A0AB1F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:34:45 <Phreeze> i never play multiplayer other than btpro 10:34:48 <Phreeze> or nice 10:34:58 <Phreeze> especially NOT ith stupid AI 10:35:04 <Samu_> yesterday i had other settings 10:35:29 <planetmaker> ais don't exactly count as multi-player ;) 10:35:36 <Samu_> was more successful, filled up to 10 companies 10:35:49 <Samu_> ppl enjoy aircraft too much 10:37:05 <Samu_> I also notice I tend to be more successful the small the map is 10:37:30 <Phreeze> small maps are cool 10:37:38 <Phreeze> just disable stupid airplanes 10:37:52 <Phreeze> i dont like playing much with aircrafts, the income is ridiculous 10:38:11 <Rubidium> because the aircraft income is unrealisticly high? 10:38:17 <planetmaker> I'd limit aircraft to ~10 or so. Good to get quick some starting money. But too few to spam the map with it 10:38:54 <Rubidium> after all, cheapest airline ticket costs less than the cheapest train ticket between Amsterdam and Berlin 10:40:02 <Rubidium> although airline pricing remains odd at best 10:40:24 <Samu_> about the topic of balance, town noise helps great against it, combined with slow growth 10:41:00 <Samu_> also town permissions 10:41:30 <planetmaker> Alberth, do you have a clue? On top of nml-py3, applying https://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/3294/ my setup.py fails, but I don't exactly understand what it complains about: https://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/3295/ 10:41:31 <Samu_> and trees 10:41:36 <Rubidium> e.g. the cheapest ticket on 29-05 from Amsterdam to Paris via Copenhagen, London and Birmingham are up to more than 3 times cheaper than the direct flight 10:41:42 <Phreeze> hm those city grwoth scripts suck with the mail-setting 10:41:46 <Rubidium> s/and/or/ 10:41:55 <Phreeze> too much mail required, even big cities don't produce enough compared to passenger 10:42:23 <planetmaker> as it seems to follow exactly what is described in the docs, e.g. at http://pythonhosted.org/setuptools/setuptools.html#automatic-script-creation 10:42:45 <Samu_> planting trees shouldn't be drag and drop in my opinion 10:43:12 <planetmaker> then limit allowed tree placement 10:43:23 <Samu_> it would slow down planting airports 10:43:25 <Samu_> how do i do that? 10:43:39 <planetmaker> check openttd.cfg for settings with 'tree' 10:43:49 <Samu_> wow 10:43:53 <planetmaker> similar to bulldozer and landscaping limits 10:43:55 <Samu_> that settings is a blessing 10:44:47 <Phreeze> is it wise to just demolish ponds in town ? 10:44:54 <Phreeze> they only accept 2/8 passenger 10:45:15 <Phreeze> in fact, talking about fountains 10:49:52 <Samu_> tree_per_64k_frames = 4194304 10:50:06 <Samu_> is it this? 10:51:07 <Alberth> planetmaker: .items() suggests it is supposed to be a dictionary instead of a list, the question is what list is it talking about 10:51:38 <planetmaker> probably the entry_points one 10:51:41 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:51:49 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 10:54:26 <Alberth> I think the "options" one, if you look at the setup.py file http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/3296/ 10:54:49 <Samu_> how long is a frame burst mentioned here 10:55:38 <Samu_> tree_frame_burst = 4096 ; tree_per_64k_frames = 4194304 10:55:54 <planetmaker> Alberth, but the line number it complains about is with entry_points 10:56:15 <Samu_> i'd like to limit to about 5 trees per second 10:56:18 <planetmaker> and the error vanishes also if I comment those out 10:56:24 <Rubidium> Samu_: https://wiki.openttd.org/?search=burst&go=Go&title=Special%3ASearch 10:56:46 <Samu_> ok, tx 10:57:02 <Rubidium> clear and tree are equivalent in behaviour, except one is for clearing tiles and the other for planting trees 10:57:30 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-105-92-43.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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Gotta leave now till evening hours. 11:16:43 <planetmaker> bye :) and thanks again 11:16:48 <Samu_> and im still being considerate 11:16:55 <Samu_> it should be 1 tree max per use 11:17:02 <Samu_> lol 11:18:18 <Samu_> what happens if I enter the value 0? 11:18:19 <Samu_> does it accept 0? 11:18:44 *** talebowl_ [~delltvgat@ip-81-11-200-109.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 11:18:49 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:18:57 <Eddi|zuHause> in the console you can see the valid range 11:19:26 <Samu_> wiki says it goes from 0 to a biiiiig number 11:19:44 <Samu_> but mentions 0 as very few 11:19:47 <Samu_> isn't it really none? 11:19:54 <Samu_> no trees possible to plant 11:19:57 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 11:21:57 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-105-92-43.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 11:23:10 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 11:23:13 <Samu_> gonna toy around with these settings, brb 11:25:40 *** talebowl [~delltvgat@ip-83-134-96-105.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:26:48 <Samu_> muahahhah, i can deny terraforming! 11:26:54 <Samu_> i always wanted to do this 11:28:10 *** Haube1 [~michi@77-20-0-12-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 11:28:15 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:29:39 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 11:30:43 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3BAF.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 11:32:09 <Samu_> these settings should really be set up in the advanced game settings window 11:32:16 <Samu_> they're useful 11:32:24 *** Haube [~michi@77-20-0-12-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:32:40 *** sylvieL [~sylvie@dslb-188-109-221-093.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 11:32:47 <Rubidium> the settings itself are efficient, but explaining them isn't 11:33:11 <Samu_> allow terraforming: yes/no 11:33:17 <Samu_> just that 11:33:30 <Samu_> don't need to complicate 11:34:15 *** SylvieLorxu [~sylvie@dslb-094-220-170-160.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:36:05 <Samu_> or, yes/no/custom if you want to complicate a bit 11:37:36 <Rubidium> though all settings are shown 'direct', as is. Maybe with a dropdown, but besides that it's always just one setting 11:38:13 <Rubidium> configuring two settings 'at once', or with some conversion is not implemented 11:44:02 *** _2rB [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 11:44:15 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:46:04 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-105-92-43.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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However, they insist on that PKP set. Those trains have such slow loading times that it's insanely hard to get all the passengers transported. 13:21:55 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 13:22:08 <Samu_> my server is using cargo distribution 13:22:10 <Samu_> no one joins 13:22:49 *** Haube [~michi@77-20-0-12-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:24:21 <fonsinchen> You don't announce it in the name 13:24:34 <fonsinchen> I didn't find you last time I was looking 13:24:47 <Alberth> you use an insane vehicle set 13:25:02 *** mg_ [~mg@cpc3-cdif14-2-0-cust195.5-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: Disconnected] 13:25:11 <fonsinchen> Insane like NUTS, or insane insane? 13:25:22 <Alberth> insane like not NUTS 13:29:57 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 13:35:21 *** Natio [~Natio@x1-6-e0-46-9a-98-35-7a.cpe.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 13:35:39 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-179-32-158.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:39:34 * andythenorth votes option 3 13:40:03 *** sylvieL [~sylvie@dslb-188-109-221-093.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:53:10 <supermop> fonsinchen: but the pkp trains are so pretty 13:53:39 <supermop> i desynched 13:53:54 <supermop> but i liked the little network i had going 13:54:10 <fonsinchen> Someone should debug those desyncs 13:54:36 <supermop> 4-pointed hub and spoke 13:54:49 <frosch123> yay for reusing dead strings \o/ 13:55:04 *** tzaeru [tzaeru@xob.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 13:55:07 <tzaeru> hai 13:57:54 <DorpsGek> Commit by fonsinchen :: r26557 /trunk (8 files in 4 dirs) (2014-05-04 13:57:48 UTC) 13:57:55 <DorpsGek> -Fix: clean up, test (somewhat), and complete the API for waiting cargo 14:01:44 <frosch123> hola 14:03:10 <tzaeru> hopping from a citybuilder server to next, trying to find a fun one -.O 14:03:51 <supermop> ok i have to go to bed someone take over my company 14:03:54 <supermop> pw is mop 14:17:30 <tzaeru> mh, can't yet find any citybuilder servers that used full cargodist.. 14:18:43 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-179-32-158.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 14:22:59 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-179-32-158.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:25:19 <frosch123> what breaks if i allow changing of the snow line height in game? 14:28:30 <Samu_> is there a multi-pause command that pauses all OpenTTDs currently running? 14:28:51 <Rubidium> frosch123: global var 20? 14:28:53 <Samu_> or a way to do it 14:29:10 <frosch123> Rubidium: SGF_NO_NETWORK deals with that, i guess 14:29:16 <Samu_> im trying to chrono something 14:30:02 <Rubidium> if that's covered, then I'm not sure 14:34:14 <frosch123> hmm, if i do not know what to put into the land generator helptext... is that a reason to remove it from gui? 14:38:01 <Rubidium> at least to move it to the advanced settings 14:38:18 <frosch123> that is obvious :p 14:38:40 <frosch123> i was asking for the helptext in the adv. settings window 14:40:04 <Rubidium> "Original gives a (blocky) landscape like Transport Tycoon, whereas Terragenisis creates more realistic (curvy) landscapes" 14:43:38 <andythenorth> frosch123: probably newgrfs :P 14:44:15 <andythenorth> hmm 14:44:20 <andythenorth> where is virtualbox? 14:44:31 * andythenorth faces a future containing IE 7 14:45:38 <andythenorth> hmm 14:45:46 <andythenorth> itâs not breaking, it should be 14:46:43 <frosch123> why does ie not have exponential version numbers? 14:47:45 <Rubidium> why would it? 14:48:19 <andythenorth> well this is annoying 14:48:35 <andythenorth> IE 7 isnât supposed to understand html5 elements like nav 14:48:41 <andythenorth> but itâs rendering them correctly 14:51:26 <andythenorth> grr 14:51:38 <andythenorth> one of the existing page libraries is âfixingâ html5 14:51:52 <andythenorth> which is fine, but I donât know which or how complete the fix it 14:51:54 <andythenorth> is * 14:52:10 <andythenorth> today this channel is brought to you by off-topic 14:52:29 <Phreeze> ie7 lol 14:57:22 <andythenorth> you may lol :P 14:57:23 <andythenorth> I canât 14:59:01 <Samu_> land generator? 14:59:19 <Samu_> terragenesis isn't too great for arctic 14:59:25 <Samu_> needs a lot of tweaking 15:02:43 <andythenorth> could be shortened to âterragenesis isnât too great" 15:06:08 <Samu_> farms can't grow on ice 15:06:20 <Samu_> and forest can only grow on ice 15:06:46 <Samu_> then there's also sea % 15:07:15 <Samu_> not easy to find the ideal combination 15:07:46 <Samu_> sea vs mountains 15:08:05 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4663.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:08:10 <andythenorth> you donât really get mountains and such in terragenesis 15:08:20 <andythenorth> it tends to build high plateaus 15:08:38 <andythenorth> the original generator is better for arctic imho, and also for sub-tropical 15:08:58 <Samu_> nah, sub-tropical looks alright 15:09:19 <Samu_> it only is missing sawmulls 15:09:35 <Samu_> but they don't spawn by themselves anyway, or do they? 15:10:04 <V453000> you guys just cant make terra genesis output nice results 15:10:08 <V453000> is all :P 15:10:13 <andythenorth> V453000: maybe you are more leet 15:10:26 <andythenorth> I honestly have never played ottd, I just have armchair opinions :P 15:10:33 <V453000> :D 15:10:41 <andythenorth> I didnât spend a weekend trying to patch terragenisis to be less stupid :P 15:11:02 <V453000> I just spent -time- to generate nice maps in terra genesis and it works just fine to me 15:11:16 <V453000> the variety distribution is quite stupid but turning that off solves it 15:13:06 *** Pulec [pulec@unaffilated.amunak.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:13:46 *** supermop [~daniel_er@d110-33-173-77.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: supermop] 15:14:59 <V453000> Samu just obviously put his snow line too low 15:15:00 <V453000> simple 15:15:16 *** KouDy_ [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 15:15:40 <Phreeze> Samu_, just improve the generator ;) 15:16:12 <V453000> usually a good idea to actually orientate in the old one first before improving it (: 15:16:52 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4663.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:16:58 <Samu_> snow line is 7 15:17:04 <DorpsGek> Commit by fonsinchen :: r26558 trunk/src/script/api/script_station.cpp (2014-05-04 15:16:58 UTC) 15:17:05 <DorpsGek> -Fix: be more explicit about the type of iterators in the waiting cargo API 15:17:17 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4663.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:17:38 <V453000> which is clearly too low then 15:17:40 <V453000> have it higher? 15:18:51 <V453000> the solution does not sound terribly complicated does it 15:19:09 <Samu_> you mean lower? 15:19:21 <Samu_> there's barely any snow 15:19:38 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@9YYAALNVX.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: gone] 15:19:39 <V453000> well then you have some flat or very flat or something? 15:19:53 <fonsinchen> snow is not efficient. There shouldn't be any snow on the map 15:19:55 <V453000> if you want more snow, get hilly/mountainnous? :) 15:19:56 *** Pulec [pulec@unaffilated.amunak.net] has joined #openttd 15:19:57 <Samu_> i got mountainous 15:20:09 <V453000> ... 15:20:10 <Samu_> i want about a 60/40 15:20:16 <Samu_> 60 grass, 40 snow 15:20:18 <Samu_> on non water 15:20:34 <V453000> variety distribution? 15:20:37 <Samu_> then there's also sea level to factor 15:21:01 <V453000> why dont you just make a screenshot 15:21:37 <Samu_> im playing around with settings 15:21:48 <Samu_> it seems to be variety distribution that's screwing things 15:21:54 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:22:30 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, "glxinfo" instantly crashing X is probably a BAD FEATURE 15:22:47 <Samu_> there's a huge difference between None to Very Low 15:22:50 <Samu_> way more ice 15:22:58 <Samu_> pretty much everything is ice when I set none 15:24:59 <V453000> never use variety distribution 15:28:45 <Samu_> okay, got it nearly to my liking 15:29:07 <Samu_> i must set mountainous 15:29:22 <Samu_> then either rough or smooth 15:29:44 <Samu_> variety is None 15:30:13 <Samu_> now let me check sea level, brb 15:30:54 <Samu_> hmm, sea level medium 15:31:02 <Samu_> low generates too much ice 15:31:04 <Phreeze> what's that variety distribution anyway ? 15:31:13 <Samu_> it's none 15:31:14 <Phreeze> my maps looka lways the same if with high or no 15:31:28 <Samu_> snow level is still 7 15:31:34 <Eddi|zuHause> variety distribution makes some areas flat while others are hilly 15:31:44 <Phreeze> hm k 15:31:45 <Eddi|zuHause> otherwise the whole map is the same kind of hilly 15:32:30 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6A0BC.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:34:12 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6A0BC.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:34:14 <Samu_> mountainous/smoth/medium vs hilly/rough/medium 15:34:25 <Samu_> think i take the 2nd option 15:35:44 <Samu_> http://i.imgur.com/sI5seHW.png 15:35:54 <Samu_> something like this, it's how I like 15:36:47 <Samu_> there's enough balance between farms, ice, snow, grass and not that many little islands 15:37:05 <Samu_> also balanced with sea level 15:37:30 <Samu_> oops, ice and snow is the same thing lol 15:37:37 <Samu_> i mean sea in one of those 15:46:08 <Samu_> this one looks really good http://i.imgur.com/83UZR7c.png - it's hilly/rough/low 15:46:09 <Samu_> low sea level, that is 15:47:49 <Samu_> took me about 20 tries to find something good :p 15:49:10 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4663.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 15:55:28 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:57:49 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:01:52 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 16:02:11 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4663.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:03:44 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4663.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 16:05:59 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4663.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:10:26 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4663.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 16:10:49 <Phreeze> i had a pretty good arctic map 16:10:53 <Phreeze> lots of forests 16:10:56 <Phreeze> lots of farms 16:14:10 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4663.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:17:31 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26559 /branches/1.4/src/lang (13 files) (2014-05-04 16:17:25 UTC) 16:17:32 <DorpsGek> [1.4] -Backport from trunk: language updates 16:19:40 *** kais58__1 [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 16:20:24 <Wolf01> bye 16:20:31 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 16:20:39 <Phreeze> what is that "backport" 16:21:07 <valhallasw> Phreeze: applying a change from a newer version to an older version 16:21:20 *** kais58___ [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:21:23 <valhallasw> in this case, updating the translations in the 1.4 release based on the most recent ones 16:24:14 <Samu_> lol @ console 16:24:20 <Samu_> 'default' is not an integer 16:24:28 <Samu_> default is 4096, but k 16:24:58 <Eddi|zuHause> 'default' is a string, obviously 16:26:12 <Eddi|zuHause> sooo... opensource drivers still unusable... 16:26:46 <andythenorth> in other news, html is still also unusable 16:27:23 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: in the sense that the screen is black and it flickers the content every 2 seconds for 0.1 second? 16:27:51 <andythenorth> no 16:28:03 <Eddi|zuHause> then i win 16:28:22 <andythenorth> in the sense that you can spend a day trying to find out what is the best way to do some trivial task 16:28:23 <Samu_> are you creating openttd to play in a browser? 16:28:41 <andythenorth> and at the ened of the day all you get is a headache 16:28:41 <Eddi|zuHause> Samu_: that is already done 16:28:52 <Samu_> oh 16:28:55 <andythenorth> itâs not even clear when youâre definitely wrong 16:29:08 <andythenorth> there are people defining specs, according to which Iâm right 16:29:29 <andythenorth> then there are people defining other specs, or proving why the spec is wrong 16:29:43 <andythenorth> or worse, must be ignored to comply with a different spec which is required, and orthogonal 16:30:11 <andythenorth> I really hate html 16:30:34 *** kais58__1 is now known as kais58|AFK 16:31:16 <andythenorth> partly the problem is that very few of the assistive technologies actually implement any specs properly 16:31:27 <andythenorth> and Assistive Technologies Must Be Complied With 16:31:30 <andythenorth> even though they canât be 16:31:40 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 16:31:59 <andythenorth> waste of a day 16:32:04 <andythenorth> I should have spent it drinking instead 16:35:42 <Samu_> i created a video, realistic vs original side by side http://1drv.ms/1g0J5Dh 16:36:20 <Samu_> much bored 16:38:16 <Phreeze> wheres the video 16:38:21 <Phreeze> in fact, what video 16:42:22 <Samu_> its not opening? 16:42:51 <Samu_> damn, it shared the folder, not the video per se 16:42:53 <Samu_> sec 16:43:14 <Samu_> http://1drv.ms/1g0JPbv 16:45:18 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19230.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:50:04 *** kais58|AFK is now known as kais58__1 16:50:28 <Phreeze> whats realistic ? 16:50:32 <Phreeze> left or right 16:50:36 <Phreeze> right is sloooow 16:51:09 <Samu_> play in full screen 16:51:18 <Phreeze> i see 16:51:21 <Samu_> realistic is x2 10% 16:51:24 <Phreeze> weird that realistic is much faster 16:51:31 <Phreeze> x2 10% means what ? 16:51:41 <Samu_> that's one of the cases where realistic loses to original 16:51:58 <Samu_> x2 the freight weight 16:52:03 <Samu_> 10% steepness 16:52:26 <Eddi|zuHause> "realistic" is faster because "original" is stupid 16:52:27 <Samu_> original uses x1 weight 16:52:28 <Samu_> steepness has no effect 16:52:38 <Phreeze> never played original since ottd 16:52:40 <Eddi|zuHause> you're still not any closer to proving a point 16:54:40 <Samu_> what kind of track layout do you want me for comparison? 16:55:03 <Phreeze> fucking fifa website 16:55:08 <Phreeze> i checked my username, its ok 16:55:16 <Phreeze> register: "error: screen name in use" 16:55:33 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 16:55:37 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 16:56:16 <Samu_> realistic catches up on the way back, it's funny 16:57:39 *** kais58__2 [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 16:59:20 *** kais58__1 [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:13:42 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@a79-169-2-218.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #openttd 17:40:11 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-105-92-43.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 17:43:12 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-105-92-43.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [] 17:45:16 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26560 trunk/src/lang/irish.txt (2014-05-04 17:45:09 UTC) 17:45:17 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:18 <DorpsGek> irish - 32 changes by tem 17:46:59 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:50:02 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:06:32 *** Airwave [~Airwave@0001a5d2.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:24:49 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26561 /branches/1.4 (6 files in 4 dirs) (2014-05-04 18:24:43 UTC) 18:24:50 <DorpsGek> [1.4] -Update documentation 18:25:07 <Eddi|zuHause> Samu_: but the way back is irrelevant, because it does not earn you any money 18:26:27 <andythenorth> depends on auto-refit :P 18:26:55 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26562 /tags/1.4.1-RC1 (3 files in 3 dirs) (2014-05-04 18:26:50 UTC) 18:26:56 <DorpsGek> -Release 1.4.1-RC1 18:27:11 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: well, then the assumption that it's empty doesn't hold anymore... 18:30:02 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:40:55 *** Natio [~Natio@x1-6-e0-46-9a-98-35-7a.cpe.webspeed.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:43:01 *** Phreeze [~p@vodsl-11053.vo.lu] has quit [] 18:51:26 *** tyteen4a03 [tyteen@Daedalusx.net] has joined #openttd 18:56:35 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i think i broke plasma now :/ 18:57:23 <planetmaker> Sufficient energy will recharge it ;) 19:02:37 <Alberth> add energy by smashing it to the wall 19:04:00 <DorpsGek> Commit by fonsinchen :: r26563 trunk/src/script/api/script_station.cpp (2014-05-04 19:03:54 UTC) 19:04:01 <DorpsGek> -Fix (r26558): Don't pass explicit template arguments to std::make_pair. 19:08:40 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 19:14:40 *** Dan9550 [~dan9550@66.238-27-211.dynamic.dsl.mel.iprimus.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:17:57 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-179-32-158.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 19:19:16 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-179-32-158.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:25:52 <Alberth> hi hi 19:28:05 *** Myhorta[1] [~Myhorta@10.87.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 19:29:47 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6A0BC.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:32:34 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:33:10 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-179-32-158.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 19:35:14 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-105-92-43.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 19:36:50 <frosch123> @topic set 1 1.4.0, 1.4.1-RC1 19:36:50 *** DorpsGek changed the topic of #openttd to: 1.4.0, 1.4.1-RC1 | Website: *.openttd.org (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: hg, release info: finger) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 'Latest' is not a valid version, 'Most recent' neither | English only | #openttd.dev for dev-talk | #openttd.notice for commit notices 19:38:12 <ST2> thank you frosch123, already checked and Goal GUI's are way better now :) 19:38:31 <ST2> anyway, left the test server running... to ppl use it and test RC :) 19:55:35 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-179-32-158.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:56:32 <andythenorth> where is GS? 19:57:13 <frosch123> on the north border of harz mountains 19:57:33 * andythenorth goes north 20:07:46 <Alberth> you encounter a mighty river. There seems to be a bridge, but it looks very wobbly 20:14:33 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 20:21:45 *** talebowl_ [~delltvgat@ip-81-11-200-109.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 20:23:22 *** kais58__1 [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 20:25:00 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [] 20:25:09 *** kais58__2 [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:25:23 *** DanMacK [~0a0a6574@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 20:25:27 <DanMacK> Hey all 20:32:28 *** kais58__1 is now known as kais58|AFK 20:32:37 *** kais58|AFK is now known as kais58__1 20:39:55 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 20:41:45 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has quit [] 20:48:21 <Eddi|zuHause> i think i was in GS once 20:51:32 <frosch123> yay, only took me 10 hours to write a reply on the forums :) 20:56:04 *** strohalm [~smoofi@80.84.212.31] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:56:05 *** strohalm [~smoofi@80.84.212.31] has joined #openttd 20:58:24 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:59:11 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 21:11:20 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3BAF.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 21:16:53 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:c2:8ff:fec1:936b] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:18:41 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:c2:8ff:fec1:936b] has joined #openttd 21:24:56 <Airwave> I have many single-headed trains right now, and the best upgrade right now is a dual-headed one. How do I upgrade my single-headed trains to dual-headed ones while keeping the same length? 21:25:24 <Taede> are you using auto-replace? 21:25:34 <Taede> if so, make sure wagon-removal is on 21:26:01 <Eddi|zuHause> there's a button "remove wagons" 21:26:50 <Airwave> Ah, excellent. Thank you. 21:26:53 <Airwave> I'll give that a try. 21:27:31 <Airwave> If I switch back to single-headed trains, is there any easy way to add that extra wagon back, by the way? 21:27:51 <Eddi|zuHause> no 21:28:00 <Airwave> Hmm. 21:28:07 <Airwave> Seems like a big bother then. 21:29:52 <Airwave> Is putting two single-headed engines at each end of a train a bad idea? 21:30:33 <Eddi|zuHause> depends on the situation. but you can't do that automatically either 21:30:41 <frosch123> no, it's more effective than putting them directly adjacent 21:31:05 <Airwave> Hmm, ok. 21:31:20 <frosch123> usually engines are a lot heavier than wagons 21:31:35 <frosch123> and it is better if less weight is on a slope at a time 21:31:48 <frosch123> so it is better if engines are not on a slope at the same time 21:31:57 <frosch123> which happens if you put them directly behind each other 21:32:02 <Airwave> I see. 21:32:04 <Airwave> Thank you. 21:32:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think the game mechanics work like that 21:33:04 <frosch123> sure they do, slope matters per vehicle 21:35:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i thought it was averaged over the train, like curves 21:37:37 <frosch123> GetSlopeResistance iterates over all vehicles 21:38:10 <frosch123> and in my games trains always slow down then the engines hits the slope, and accelerate once the engine is at the top 21:40:39 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc7-pres17-2-0-cust28.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:42:17 <Airwave> Maybe it depends if you're playing with realistic acceleration. 21:45:00 <frosch123> noone plays without realistic acceleration 21:49:29 *** DanMacK [~0a0a6574@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:54:12 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-179-32-158.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:57:18 *** DanMacK [~0a0a6574@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 21:59:39 <Eddi|zuHause> i think i should screw everything up once more 22:01:13 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4663.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 22:02:41 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4663.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:03:03 <Eddi|zuHause> oh hey that went way better than expected :p 22:03:18 <Eddi|zuHause> (i probably shouldn't have said that) 22:16:01 <frosch123> night 22:16:04 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d01d123.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 22:20:57 *** lskynl [~LSky@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 22:30:32 *** DanMacK [~0a0a6574@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:40:57 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19230.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:51:37 *** Samu_ [~oftc-webi@po2-84-90-120-62.netvisao.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:53:47 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po2-84-90-120-62.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 22:54:42 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-116-104.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 22:59:19 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00:54 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:12:19 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:19:57 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 23:22:32 <Eddi|zuHause> wasn't there once a setting in youtube to use html5 instead of flash? 23:23:02 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:24:22 <Samu> youtube.com/html5 23:31:24 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:32:02 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@a79-169-2-218.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:34:48 *** Myhorta[1] [~Myhorta@10.87.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:45:35 <Eddi|zuHause> ok that works fine and uses way less CPU 23:45:58 <Eddi|zuHause> but it now shows this "waiting for <url>" in the bottom 23:46:04 <Eddi|zuHause> even in fullscreen 23:47:01 <Eddi|zuHause> and comments stopped working?? 23:54:40 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@400l-62001.sli.unimelb.edu.au] has joined #openttd 23:56:55 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail]