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Poor guys that were on the other side of the netsplit like me 08:11:48 <supermop> thats whats going on?/ 08:12:07 <__ln__> i first read that as "after 6 years" and thought wtf 08:27:12 *** Celestar [~Celestar@p4FD6EAF6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:28:29 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:c0d7:2800:c731:d4a] has joined #openttd 08:33:53 *** sla_ro|laptop [~sla.ro@89.121.131.100] has joined #openttd 08:43:50 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-37-79.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:04:42 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 09:05:20 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:05:20 *** dfox [~dfox@94.142.237.120] has joined #openttd 09:05:20 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 09:05:20 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has joined #openttd 09:05:20 *** blathijs [matthijs@tika.stderr.nl] has joined #openttd 09:05:20 *** ST2 [~ST2@118.107.136.95.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 09:05:20 *** Dakkus [dakkus@taimen.sr2.fi] has joined #openttd 09:05:20 *** MTsPony [~MTsPony@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has joined #openttd 09:05:20 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 09:05:20 *** Fuco [~foobar@server.dasnet.cz] has joined #openttd 09:19:52 *** Celestar [~Celestar@p4FD6EAF6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:22:06 *** Marshy [~oftc-webi@212.50.186.227] has joined #openttd 09:22:25 <Marshy> Morning! 09:24:31 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:32:06 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:36:33 <V453000> Pikka: so my models are stretching at 100% in / \ views, but 140% in both - and | :D 09:36:49 <V453000> that is what fills the sprites properly, lets see how it works out 09:38:58 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 09:39:54 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc sqrt(2) 09:39:55 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 1.41421356237 09:40:07 <Eddi|zuHause> so 141% would be more accurate 09:44:25 <V453000> :D 09:44:31 <V453000> hm. :) 09:49:54 *** Suicyder [~Suicyder@86.92.59.88] has joined #openttd 09:55:27 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Valete omnes] 09:56:36 *** LadyHawk [~LadyHawk@5751e87a.skybroadband.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:03:07 <argoneus> ayy 10:04:06 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:04:17 *** ginko_ [~ginko@0001b68f.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:05:15 <supermop> V453000: so much for solidarity with Pikka to press for non stretched sprites? 10:05:46 <V453000> ? 10:06:06 <V453000> what do you mean supermop ? 10:07:21 <supermop> i though Pikka intentionally forwent stretching _ and | to encourage an eventual change to a non-stretched handling of those angles? 10:08:06 <Eddi|zuHause> supermop: as if that would ever happen. 10:09:04 <V453000> yes supermop, he did, but it just doesnt look good in the game and seriously considering such a change is silly 10:09:15 <V453000> breaking everything we have till now just cause it isnt "correct" is just a bad idea imo 10:09:41 <V453000> we were discussing things with Pikka earlier, at a point where I did not yet know how will I do my vehicles, now I have it done so was making a report :P 10:11:00 <supermop> V453000: why not just space out the / and \ of every old set to compensate! surely everyone would be fine with their trains sticking out of station blocks and getting stuck 10:11:13 *** liq3 is now known as Guest1196 10:11:14 *** liq3 [~liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:11:23 *** ginko [~ginko@0001b68f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:13:22 <V453000> xd 10:13:41 <argoneus> I wonder 10:13:49 <argoneus> is it possible to be hired as a programmer without uni education? (slightly OT) 10:13:56 <supermop> sure 10:14:50 *** Jinassi [~Jinassi@0001ec72.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:14:59 <supermop> i mean depends a bit on local job market, but its probably easier to do in programming than almost any other industry so long as you are capable of doing the work 10:17:27 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, there are plenty of jobs for "uneducated" programmers, but i highly recommend getting that education. 10:18:01 *** Guest1196 [~liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:18:12 <argoneus> I'm too dumb for it I feel 10:18:42 <blathijs> supermop: " so long as you are capable of doing the work " <-- In my experience, being competent is certainly not always a requirement either :-p 10:18:56 <Eddi|zuHause> supermop: you can't space out the / and \ view because that breaks station lengths and stuff 10:19:07 <planetmaker> argoneus, you'll never know if you don't try. Try hard that is 10:19:19 <argoneus> I'm at uni second year now 10:19:24 <supermop> Eddi|zuHause: exactly - surely no one will complain about that! 10:19:27 <argoneus> and things get harder and harder and I can't really keep up 10:19:30 * argoneus shrugs 10:20:14 <Eddi|zuHause> argoneus: well then go a step back and repeat stuff at a slower pace... 10:20:36 <Eddi|zuHause> nobody's going to kill you for taking a year longer... 10:22:11 <argoneus> it feels like I'm wasting everyone's time by taking longer 10:22:24 <argoneus> and even if I do it's not guaranteed I won't fail just before finals 10:22:28 <argoneus> and then I might as well go sweep the streets 10:25:12 <Eddi|zuHause> # sweep the streets i used to roam 10:25:26 <Eddi|zuHause> there is never a guarantee of anything 10:26:29 <argoneus> besides 10:27:06 <argoneus> I think that "I failed school" is worse than not going there at all 10:27:13 <argoneus> for employers that is 10:27:27 <Eddi|zuHause> i somehow doubt that 10:27:41 <argoneus> well 10:27:51 <argoneus> it means you weren't sure what to do and couldn't pursue what you wanted to 10:28:01 <argoneus> if you get a job righta fter HS, it means you know what you want, no? 10:28:09 <Eddi|zuHause> no 10:28:26 <Eddi|zuHause> also, it's not a bad thing to not know what you want. 10:28:45 <argoneus> well I want to do this 10:28:53 <argoneus> but it's overwhelming and I lose motivation at every hurdle 10:29:06 <argoneus> because it's way too uncertain 10:29:19 <Eddi|zuHause> if motivation is your trouble, talk to more people. 10:30:01 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has joined #openttd 10:33:01 <V453000> my anchor of motivation is making it a hobby 10:33:11 <V453000> creating a project that includes doing that and requiring to learn whatever 10:33:43 <V453000> but talking to people about it helps a ton 10:36:50 <V453000> and if you can, getting education is the best thing you can do 10:36:57 <V453000> note, a person without a school says that 10:40:01 <andythenorth> meh 10:40:14 <andythenorth> Iâve hired at least two people who quit or failed CS degress 10:40:17 <andythenorth> degrees * 10:40:34 <argoneus> andythenorth: master or bachelor? 10:40:37 <andythenorth> masters 10:40:48 <andythenorth> in both cases they got a bachelor instead 10:40:52 <andythenorth> 3 years instead of 4 10:41:07 <argoneus> yeah 10:41:13 <argoneus> I'm talking about not even doing bach 10:41:20 <argoneus> undergrads are fine 10:41:38 <andythenorth> Iâve hired more who got 1st or 2:1 and they are generally better at common tasks 10:41:54 <andythenorth> but people whoâve failed or quit sometimes have non-standard approaches, which can sometimes be useful 10:42:25 <andythenorth> often theyâre smart, but just didnât fit to the regulated timetable of a degree 10:42:30 <andythenorth> or the way the work is organised 10:42:38 <andythenorth> not always the case :P 10:43:00 <argoneus> realistically 10:43:16 <argoneus> are there any people who work as webdevs, have only high school education, enjoy their life and have enough money? 10:43:19 <V453000> the word 10:43:20 <V453000> it hurts 10:43:21 <argoneus> or is that mostly a stupid dream 10:43:26 <argoneus> that most people imagine 10:43:39 <andythenorth> there are fuck load of people making a living doing WP websites or whatever 10:43:40 <argoneus> not that I'd want to be a webdev 10:44:19 <andythenorth> depending exactly where you are in the world, employment prospects are not as scary in the outside world as it looks from inside school or university 10:44:36 <argoneus> as in 10:44:42 <argoneus> it's not hard to find a local development company? 10:44:43 <andythenorth> maybe in some European countries right now, itâs pretty bad 10:44:47 <andythenorth> but otherwise... 10:44:52 <argoneus> pretty bad as in, overcrowded? 10:45:07 <andythenorth> pretty bad as in maybe 40% youth unemployment 10:45:09 <andythenorth> which is high 10:45:46 <argoneus> I live in the capital city 10:45:50 <argoneus> I wonder if that helps anything 10:46:15 <andythenorth> yes 10:46:32 <Eddi|zuHause> well, the larger the city, the more likely you get "IT" jobs 10:46:33 <andythenorth> big cities are much more fun and easier to find work in than if youâre stuck in arse-end of nowhere 10:46:48 <andythenorth> also lower transport costs, easy to find people to share with 10:47:13 <andythenorth> higher quality of life etc 10:47:33 *** Marshy [~oftc-webi@212.50.186.227] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:47:34 <argoneus> so if shit really hits the fan somehow, which I hope it doesn't 10:47:48 <argoneus> there's a chance I could at least be a wordpress shitter before I get things back in order somehow? 10:48:12 <argoneus> even with just highschool education (hope not the case) 10:48:34 <andythenorth> classic entry level jobs in the industry: QA / testing, content entry / content management, social media moderation 10:48:43 <argoneus> well 10:48:44 <andythenorth> all of which will pay ~minimum wage 10:48:51 <argoneus> I work as QA at Oracle right now part time 10:48:54 <argoneus> will any company care about that? 10:48:56 <andythenorth> yes 10:49:01 <andythenorth> QA is a classic route into the industry 10:49:07 <andythenorth> although also lots of people do it 10:49:21 <argoneus> so if I have high school education with 2 years QA at Oracle, it's a plus? 10:49:24 <V453000> argoneus: if you have the stomach for it / enjoy doing it, making webpages is quite easy to make money with 10:49:25 <andythenorth> -ve side, lots of people do it, itâs grunt work 10:49:26 <Eddi|zuHause> argoneus: if anything, companies will care MORE about the jobs you did on the side 10:49:44 <andythenorth> +ve side, gives you exposure to the stuff that goes wrong in software 10:49:53 <andythenorth> and how many devs just dump stuff over the fence to QA 10:50:05 <V453000> everybody needs a website 10:50:08 <argoneus> oh 10:50:12 <argoneus> wait 10:50:19 <argoneus> so even if this ends up failing somehow 10:50:32 <argoneus> then "I was a QA at a big company for 2 years and attended uni for 2 years" is a valid argument for a decent job? 10:50:43 <Eddi|zuHause> certainly 10:50:45 <andythenorth> itâs not awful 10:50:51 <V453000> everything you did is a good argument 10:51:02 <argoneus> "I made a 8 track station without jams" 10:51:07 <V453000> ps I would not take uni as fail/win but as "learn amount of shit" 10:51:09 <V453000> not y/n 10:51:41 <argoneus> V453000: question, if you don't mind 10:51:42 <V453000> obviously it comes down to if you have the paper or not, but they will fire you anyway if you cant do anything but have a paper :) 10:51:49 <argoneus> how hard fast it for you to come your current job and do you like it 10:51:51 <argoneus> was* 10:52:02 <argoneus> find* 10:52:05 <argoneus> what did I just write 10:52:07 <Eddi|zuHause> there certainly is a gap in "attended university" or "finished university", but it's usually not a "we won't hire you" gap, more like a "we pay you x% less" gap 10:52:25 <argoneus> hm, you're right Eddi|zuHause 10:52:41 <argoneus> the difference between "I have a bachelor" and "I studied for 3 years and then failed" is that "I didn't study enough for the final exam" 10:52:43 <V453000> it was not easy but I dont get much money right now, the job is okay, mainly I do what I want to do, and I hope that eventually I will learn enough to apply for a job elsewhere/find a job elsewhere 10:52:44 <argoneus> right? 10:53:04 <V453000> before that I was doing 2 years of various smaller jobs like smaller 2D graphics jobs here and there, some website horseshit, ... 10:53:10 <argoneus> ah 10:53:19 <Eddi|zuHause> argoneus: i don't think that's the way HR people actually think 10:53:29 <argoneus> V453000: can you disclose your wage at least the order of magnitude? 10:53:41 <argoneus> Eddi|zuHause: I don't understand how HR people think :< 10:54:01 <V453000> way lower than you would expect a 3D artist to have. :) 10:54:27 <argoneus> is it sub 20k? 10:54:39 <V453000> around it 10:54:52 <argoneus> hm 10:55:02 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 10:55:06 <argoneus> my friend got his bachelor in theoretical informatics 10:55:10 <argoneus> and had 35k in his first entry job 10:55:14 <argoneus> never did anything before 10:55:17 <argoneus> :/ 10:55:34 <V453000> depends from company to company, in Prague you definitely get a lot more for IT/graphics/... jobs than elsewhere 10:56:12 <andythenorth> bbl 10:56:13 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has left #openttd [] 10:56:44 <argoneus> V453000: so if you were in prague, you'd have better opportunities? ;c 10:56:58 <V453000> like totally different 10:57:07 <V453000> here are about 2 companies which hire 3D artists 10:57:12 <V453000> in prague there are a lot more 10:57:15 <argoneus> oh 10:57:19 <argoneus> the more competition, the more pay, right 10:57:44 <V453000> not just that but also more chance to get an actual job 10:57:57 <argoneus> oh 10:59:27 *** Marshy [~oftc-webi@212.50.186.227] has joined #openttd 11:02:16 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: JacobD88] 11:11:21 *** liq3 is now known as Guest1201 11:11:21 *** liq3 [~liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:12:11 <peter1138> V453000, you're rendering vehicles? 11:13:49 <peter1138> 10:13 < argoneus> is it possible to be hired as a programmer without uni education? (slightly OT) 11:13:52 <peter1138> < yes :S 11:15:45 *** looptrooper [looptroope@0001f7ef.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 11:18:07 *** Guest1201 [~liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:18:30 <supermop> argoneus: i take it you have an EU passport and you seem to have good english skills 11:18:54 <supermop> with a bit of experience and an open mind you can probably find work anywhere on the continent 11:19:23 <supermop> that said, dont just move somewhere $$$ like London with no job offer 11:20:25 <supermop> but as others have said, sometimes a vareity of experience will make you stand out better to the person hiring than just a BA or BS diploma 11:21:03 <peter1138> Most job adverts state a requirement for a degree, though. 11:21:40 <supermop> also here in australia i am working for a start up doing graphic work - my bosses are the two founders and they do all of the programming work: one dropped out of a CS degree years ago, and the other never went to University 11:22:53 <supermop> peter1138: argoneus: job adverts are maybe the worst way to get a job if you are just starting out or in an unconventional situation 11:23:42 <supermop> often the advertiser gets so many responses that they will use all criteria to filter people out, even if it means discarding good applicants 11:23:56 <supermop> because they cannot interview hundreds of people 11:26:59 <supermop> i would agree with Eddi|zuHause though, as long as you are not accruing major debt to go to school, I would stay in school even if it means going more slowly 11:28:12 <supermop> it certainly will impact your total salary, and some of the other tangential stuff you learn might end up improving your quality of life for years to come in other ways 11:28:38 <supermop> some of the most important stuff to learn in undergrad is not taught in lectures... 11:34:34 *** sla_ro|laptop [~sla.ro@89.121.131.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:39:56 *** Quatroking_ [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 11:41:57 *** Quatroking is now known as Guest1205 11:41:58 *** Quatroking_ is now known as Quatroking 11:42:28 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, you seem to have upset aberro... 11:42:44 <Rubidium> I reckon getting hired without a CS education as a programmer without any provable history in software development is quite improbable 11:43:48 <Rubidium> those that never make it to university or drop out of university but end up working in software development are either starting their own business, or have some sort of provable history in software development (e.g. open source work) 11:43:52 <Jinassi> Couldn't work in opensource software prove as a healthy addition to the portfolio? 11:44:29 <Eddi|zuHause> likely 11:45:31 *** Guest1205 [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:45:51 <Rubidium> on the other hand, having lots of experience in open source software development and having just received your masters can be a tricky situation to get a job because you either have too much experience or too little experience for many of the potential employers 11:49:10 *** sla_ro|laptop [~sla.ro@89.121.131.100] has joined #openttd 11:49:44 <V453000> peter1138: I am rendering vehicles, yes? :D 11:50:07 <V453000> does it make me a bad person? :D 11:50:11 <DorpsGek> Commit by peter1138 :: r27060 trunk/src/newgrf_engine.cpp (2014-11-11 11:50:04 UTC) 11:50:12 <DorpsGek> -Doc: Remove obsolete comment (64KB LUT would be 8GB with current limits) 11:50:35 <peter1138> V453000, no, it means that scaling 140% in some views is hardly a permanent issue. 11:50:43 <V453000> ? 11:55:17 <V453000> I dont understand what do you mean :d 11:55:51 <peter1138> Evidently not. 11:56:14 <peter1138> Recall your conversation from 2Âœ hours ago, when some concern was expressed regarding shorter or longer sprites. 11:56:58 <V453000> yes 12:01:11 <V453000> and you sez the 140% is not permanent 12:01:13 <V453000> what do you mean by that 12:01:28 <V453000> that changing everything to make it all "correct" is not out of bounds of reality? 12:01:45 <peter1138> I assume you can just change that 140% scaling... 12:02:08 <peter1138> Unlike with sprites where everything would have to be redrawn. 12:02:34 <peter1138> Er, "sprites" I mean, hand drawn pixel art. 12:03:07 <V453000> right 12:03:52 <peter1138> Hate shiny black plastic... one single touch and it becomes a magnet of smeary fingerprints :( 12:07:35 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6D583.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 12:11:28 *** liq3 is now known as Guest1206 12:11:28 *** liq3 [~liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:12:31 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-37-79.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:18:09 *** Guest1206 [~liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:20:20 <supermop> peter1138: oleophobic coatings 12:20:23 <supermop> later 12:23:12 <Jinassi> fact check: when setting company name and pw in config, it adds it in mp, so you do not have to add it manually 12:23:31 <Jinassi> or am i wrong? 12:24:07 <planetmaker> try it and see? 12:24:20 <planetmaker> I expect it to work only when creating a company, though 12:24:32 <Jinassi> already doing it, just editing some stuff and wanted some quick validation 12:24:37 <Jinassi> true 12:28:24 *** supermop [~supermop@d110-33-191-54.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:35:31 *** LadyHawk [~LadyHawk@5751e87a.skybroadband.com] has joined #openttd 12:39:00 *** jinks [~jinks@2602:ffe8:102:213::1c:34ac] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 12:42:27 *** jinks [~jinks@2602:ffe8:102:213::1c:34ac] has joined #openttd 12:54:56 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-72-94-147-76.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 12:58:45 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-72-94-147-76.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:59:06 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-72-94-147-76.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 13:02:21 *** slonik [~KWKdesign@pool-72-94-147-76.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:09:21 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@D97BA869.cm-3-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 13:14:51 *** LadyHawk [~LadyHawk@5751e87a.skybroadband.com] has quit [Quit: Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind] 13:16:21 <Jinassi> added instructions on how to change font on ddesura, since i have gotten a few messages why it is antsize/small/need glasses 13:16:48 <Jinassi> since providing a link for them has no effect 13:17:21 <planetmaker> link them to our wiki instead 13:17:29 <planetmaker> one place for documentation is better than 10 13:17:56 <Jinassi> i did, it did nothing 13:18:19 <planetmaker> well, link the exact page, of course :) 13:18:43 <planetmaker> but you probably did that, too. 13:18:49 <planetmaker> people just are lazy and / or stupid :) 13:19:54 <peter1138> Yeah they still won't read it. 13:23:34 *** LadyHawk [~LadyHawk@5751e87a.skybroadband.com] has joined #openttd 13:28:18 *** sla_ro|laptop [~sla.ro@89.121.131.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:28:49 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, is that just me or did train fever suddenly halve the income from passengers? 13:29:13 <peter1138> It's just you. Nobody else is playing it. 13:29:27 <Eddi|zuHause> whatever... 13:31:59 <planetmaker> tehehe :) 13:36:22 <peter1138> Well, is someone else here playing it? 13:37:21 *** Klanticus [~quassel@179.234.182.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:40:59 *** Klanticus [~quassel@200-161-120-132.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #openttd 13:44:37 *** itsatacoshop247 [~itsatacos@c-76-102-167-252.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:45:05 <V453000> haha 13:50:44 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 13:57:16 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@D97BA869.cm-3-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:01:21 *** TrueBrain_ [~truebrain@i210033.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 14:04:00 *** Netsplit charon.oftc.net <-> solenoid.oftc.net quits: V453000, LadyHawk, __ln__, Yexo, APTX, @peter1138, +michi_cc, TrueBrain, Yotson, Celestar, (+5 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 14:04:07 *** TrueBrain_ is now known as TrueBrain 14:05:06 *** Netsplit over, joins: LadyHawk, Celestar, Yotson, Yexo, V453000, KouDy, __ln__, APTX, +michi_cc, Ammler (+4 more) 14:05:17 <peter1138> :o 14:07:45 <Eddi|zuHause> at least that wasn't a 6 hour netsplit :p 14:08:45 <Eddi|zuHause> or almost 7 hours 14:09:06 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 14:14:29 <V453000> hmffff 14:14:37 <V453000> something in my thing is broken XD 14:14:42 <V453000> sub-pixel differences in offsets 14:15:13 <peter1138> :s 14:17:38 <V453000> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/asdffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff.png :( 14:19:04 <Eddi|zuHause> there's probably a pattern behind it 14:19:43 <V453000> yeah 14:20:00 <V453000> I kind of know the source but cant find it quite yet 14:22:26 <peter1138> Nasty :p 14:22:45 <peter1138> Also are they meant to be rubbing against each other? 14:23:06 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:23:22 <V453000> LOL 14:23:30 <V453000> you mean the yoffset differences? 14:23:32 <V453000> that is the actual issue 14:25:23 <argoneus> sorry, I was away 14:25:40 <argoneus> so basically Eddi|zuHause & supermop: since I got to go to an uni, I should stay for as long as I can unless they kick me? 14:26:10 <V453000> I think the main idea was trying not to :P but yes 14:31:48 <V453000> interesting :D [WTF] found the issue probable 14:31:48 <V453000> y 14:34:24 <V453000> hm, the wagons add about 4MB to the grfsize 14:34:30 <V453000> one set of hopper wagons that is 14:35:02 <peter1138> V453000, no, I mean the fact that there is zero spacing between the wagons. 14:35:09 <Eddi|zuHause> that is bigger than the entirety of TT 14:35:28 <V453000> peter1138: those wagons are a bit specific, maglev ones do that yeah 14:35:45 <V453000> some rail wagons will have gaps 14:36:04 <V453000> ... done in the model, perhaps touching by the bumper thingies trains haz 14:36:21 <V453000> this is precisely 0.25 tile long x wide model box 14:36:40 <V453000> useful to make boxes first to get the scale right 14:37:52 <V453000> hm, nice 14:38:27 <V453000> I made 100,8% x 100% scaling of the render to make it fit better, and actually 100,8% x 100,8% fits better XD even though it totally doesnt fit the pattern made of tiles 14:38:39 <V453000> -> camera closer and a bit of fiddling, and done 14:43:28 <peter1138> Sounds imprecise. 14:44:18 <Quatroking> what's a good 4-way junction? 14:44:31 <Quatroking> I've been using a lot of clover junctions but they're slow 14:44:33 <Eddi|zuHause> none 14:44:47 <V453000> it is very imprecise peter1138 :D 14:45:21 <V453000> at the moment I have a result which is not really noticeable by eye without brutal zooming 14:45:24 <Jinassi> Define slow? i can make an example for you, a bit differently made, but trains have 3 paths to choose for 1 destination 14:45:35 <Quatroking> Jinassi, too much sharp corners 14:46:20 <peter1138> I'd just do a flat crossing with (path) signals in appropriate places. 14:46:43 <Jinassi> kk, i'll go and make an example and post a screenshot then, path signals are used too 14:46:46 <peter1138> And then when I see that some route is busier, or blocking, find a way to route that difference to avoid congestion. 14:47:32 *** Celestar [~Celestar@p4FD6EAF6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #openttd [] 14:47:36 <Jinassi> Quatroking: how long are your trains? 14:47:47 <Quatroking> longest train is 6 tiles, majority is 5 14:47:51 <Jinassi> rgr 14:48:12 <Quatroking> for T-junctions I use https://wiki.openttd.org/Ultimate_3-way_junction 14:48:19 <Quatroking> can't figure out how to make that a crossing though 14:49:07 <V453000> you just build it? XD 15:04:52 <peter1138> V453000, make it 2x 8bpp :p 15:05:24 <NGC3982> Taede: I still have not solved the issue with the Soap plugin not being able to send IRC data to the server. Server data flows nicely to the IRC channel, but not on the other way around. What are your suggestions on how to continue? I cannot seem to find any documentation or command regarding enabling/disabling the feature. 15:05:27 <V453000> thank you very much, NO :-D 15:07:02 <NGC3982> This bug seems to be able to affect it, but as we established last time i do have an enabled command character. 15:07:05 <NGC3982> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/6982 15:07:46 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 15:19:38 *** Klanticus_ [~quassel@189.35.186.186] has joined #openttd 15:22:46 *** Klanticus [~quassel@200-161-120-132.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:29:14 *** liq3 [~liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 15:39:54 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 15:41:53 *** Hazzard [~Hazzard@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:47:56 <V453000> shit fixed (yet again) XD https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/NUTS/TESTcamera0000.png 15:48:26 *** Klanticus_ [~quassel@189.35.186.186] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:49:52 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 15:49:55 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 15:50:20 *** Klanticus [~quassel@189.35.186.186] has joined #openttd 15:59:28 <V453000> it is not absolutely ultraprecise, but you cant really distinguish it 16:02:44 <Alberth> o/ 16:02:52 *** Klanticus [~quassel@189.35.186.186] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:03:14 <V453000> hi Alberth :) 16:03:26 <V453000> I think I finally got my thing to work properly :) 16:03:32 *** Klanticus [~quassel@189.35.186.186] has joined #openttd 16:06:30 <Alberth> it needs a few paths between the boxes to water the plants :p 16:06:45 <V453000> what XD 16:07:48 <Alberth> :) 16:08:57 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f7473da.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:10:43 <Alberth> oh, they're train wagons? 16:10:47 <Alberth> quak quak 16:11:11 <frosch123> moin 16:12:22 <V453000> yeah maglev for NUTS 16:12:23 <V453000> hi frog 16:12:42 <frosch123> what do you guess takes compiling yeti from scratch on my machine? :p 16:13:14 <Alberth> 4 hours? 16:13:47 <frosch123> factor 8 off 16:14:01 <Xaroth|Work> 32 horus? 16:14:14 <frosch123> no, that would be stupid :) 16:14:21 <V453000> it isnt that far from truth :P 16:14:52 <frosch123> 26 minutes, it only properly utilises two cores yet 16:14:58 <V453000> :D 16:15:01 <V453000> fuck yeah 16:15:20 <V453000> it only used 1 cpu on the devzone till now, now it will wreck multiple cpus XD 16:15:55 <frosch123> well, i guess pm would disable the threading anyway :p 16:16:09 <frosch123> it's more some kind of experiment, not really for devzone 16:16:42 <V453000> :) 16:20:57 <Sylf> aha! green jell-o uranium 16:20:59 <Sylf> lovely 16:21:04 <V453000> fuck yeah 16:21:11 <V453000> and fully working pipeline now 16:21:12 <V453000> .- 16:21:13 <V453000> :) 16:21:13 *** slonik [~KWKdesign@pool-72-94-147-76.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 16:21:41 <V453000> whole set of wagons done in like 3 hours 16:21:59 <V453000> admittedly they are super simple, and creating the pipeline took days XD 16:22:02 <V453000> but, yeah :) 16:22:27 <V453000> most of the work was actually creating the materials, I can reuse even those 16:22:36 <V453000> the joy of 3D models 16:26:01 <V453000> ... the ez wagons actually kind of fit the 8bpp engines, too XD 16:27:56 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-72-94-147-76.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:28:47 <planetmaker> indeed I would / have disabled threading on DevZone. Each builder only has one core available 16:28:51 <frosch123> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pwsxigniy <- haha, as expected :) it only properly works for yeti sized sprites 16:28:53 <planetmaker> For security reasons :) 16:29:16 <frosch123> vehicle grfs have too small sprites, so encoding is too fine-granular 16:29:42 <frosch123> otoh, we need more 32bpp zi4 vehicles sets :p 16:29:44 <planetmaker> nice work, frosch123 :) 16:30:11 <planetmaker> and I'm optimistic that the demand for grf compilers capable of handling 4x sprites will increase :) 16:30:16 <V453000> frosch123: NUTS is coming :P 16:30:19 <planetmaker> whatever, vehicles, landscapes, industries :) 16:30:44 <V453000> indeed 16:30:53 <V453000> great effort frosch123 :) well done 16:31:00 <V453000> anyway, me be going 16:31:02 <V453000> cyaz 16:31:07 <Alberth> byez 16:31:10 <planetmaker> bye v 16:31:17 <planetmaker> or buy v? :P 16:31:53 <Alberth> looking very nice frosch123 16:32:17 *** Jomann [~abchirk@p4FE21F02.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:33:13 <planetmaker> frosch123, that means we'll need to provide compiled c-modules then? 16:34:37 <frosch123> exactly, but switching channels for that 16:42:32 *** Jinassi [~Jinassi@0001ec72.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:46:34 *** Hazzard_ [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:51:18 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:56:52 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:58:32 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:04:12 <Marshy> Is 'Cargodist' a norm for most players now, or is there still a large group that use the standard cargo distribution? 17:04:34 <Marshy> Sorry, only picked up OTTD again after a few years away a couple weeks ago, learning about the new features 17:04:36 <frosch123> i think there is a large group where it makes no difference :p 17:04:40 <Marshy> Ah 17:05:09 <frosch123> cdist only makes a difference if your network allows cargo to have multiple destinations 17:05:48 <Marshy> So it wouldn't allow for a specific destination unless there was a route through the network to that destination? 17:05:52 <frosch123> unless people change their playstyle, you will only find that in passenger networks 17:07:01 <Marshy> In most cases only one end cargo destination is usually used on a network, eg factory sawmill etc, so cargodist is more effective for passenger networks? 17:07:38 <Marshy> Or goods 17:07:45 <Sylf> I search the multiplayer server list for cargodist, and I only see 8 hits. 2 private servers, 2 patched servers, so only 4 readily available servers. 17:08:02 <planetmaker> Sylf, most won't explicitly list it in the name 17:08:14 <Sylf> no, but I think it's an indication 17:08:26 <planetmaker> for much cargodist or for little :) 17:08:28 <Sylf> seeing how many servers like to list their settings in the server name itself 17:08:55 <frosch123> good point, for someone to use cdist, they would have to find it in the settings :p 17:09:20 <Marshy> Took me a few goes :P 17:09:30 <frosch123> so, in any case, it requires an active decision for the player to use cdist 17:09:37 <Marshy> It was like delving into a long dark cave of settings 17:09:39 <frosch123> that will by default exclude the majority :p 17:10:33 <Sylf> I tried cargo dist with firs supply, and decided it frustrated me more than being fun after just 30 minutes :P 17:11:01 <Marshy> I tend not to play multiplayer, but was just trying to decide whether it would benefit or not, it would be interesting for passenger / mail and goods maybe, as you could fill in the 'missing' connections in a network 17:11:50 <Marshy> But meh, I've been playing standard industry change and cargo dist since reinstalling and works fine for me, just need to have a go with FIRS or ECS next 17:12:09 <Marshy> Very good idea though, adds a new dynamic to the game 17:13:00 <Sylf> When FIRS says they need X amount per Y days, and then cargodist decides on its own how much goes to where, and when they don't jive... 17:13:14 <Sylf> That's when I started pulling little hair I have left 17:13:29 <Marshy> More effort than required 17:13:31 <Marshy> Save your hair 17:27:19 *** TomyLobo [~foo@ip5b417367.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #openttd 17:30:13 <FLHerne> Is a 'show settings for server' button something that would make sense? I know doing it for the whole list would be too big, but the ability to view settings without joining would be quite handy 17:35:51 <Sylf> I would like that. 17:38:49 *** pixar is now known as pxr 17:48:15 <Quatroking> i wish openttd had copypaste 17:50:39 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18791.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:51:21 <Prof_Frink> I wish openttd had baconprint. 17:53:29 <planetmaker> and an undo knob. And a nice juice beef steak 17:53:35 <planetmaker> *juicy 17:54:01 <Quatroking> and little people walking around on the sidewalks 17:56:23 *** Marshy [~oftc-webi@212.50.186.227] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:01:30 *** itsatacoshop247 [~itsatacos@c-76-102-167-252.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:11:07 *** itsatacoshop247 [~itsatacos@c-76-102-167-252.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:32:12 <Eddi|zuHause> FLHerne: problem is the only way to get the settings is to download the savegame 18:32:45 <Eddi|zuHause> which is really the same thing as joining 18:32:57 <FLHerne> Eddi|zuHause: Couldn't the server send a packet with (just) them on request? 18:33:17 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, it doesn't mean there couldn't be a packet which only sends the settings instead of the whole map 18:33:32 <planetmaker> FLHerne, but you would need to implement that :P 18:33:45 <planetmaker> (aka patches welcome) 18:34:08 <Eddi|zuHause> ok, fine, lets assume someone implemented that. next someone requests a filter "all servers with cargodist enabled" 18:34:26 <Eddi|zuHause> which can't be done because all servers would have to be queried first 18:34:53 <planetmaker> well, they would. so? 18:35:12 <planetmaker> alternatively the master server could be extended to keep that info 18:35:31 <Eddi|zuHause> well, the point of the way querying works right now is that each server sends out exactly one UDP package 18:35:45 <Eddi|zuHause> which fits exactly the version and md5 of the newgrfs 18:35:55 <Eddi|zuHause> anything additional to that would require switching to TCP 18:36:10 <Eddi|zuHause> which will increase load by orders of magnitude 18:50:49 *** Hazzard [~Hazzard@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Goodbye.] 18:52:51 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:52:56 <Wolf01> hello 18:54:04 <Alberth> moin 19:00:44 <Wolf01> I found that if you use the vip points to get a discount when placing an order on the LEGO shop, you also get less vip points :/ 19:01:15 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 19:01:22 <Alberth> spending less money == less vip, clearly :) 19:01:25 <Alberth> hi andy 19:02:10 <Wolf01> hi the 19:05:28 <frosch123> hi north 19:05:37 <Wolf01> oh finally 19:05:40 <Wolf01> with exo-suite I got a double amount of vip points, so I choose to not use them this time 19:06:54 <andythenorth> o/ 19:12:05 *** Xrufuian [~Xrufuian@cpe-142-136-204-41.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 19:41:29 *** ginko_ is now known as ginko 19:41:31 <ginko> howdy 19:41:44 <Alberth> o/ 19:48:36 <argoneus> ayy 19:49:16 <ginko> everybody alright? :) 19:53:53 <Alberth> ginko: nobody knows the answer to that question :p 19:54:21 <ginko> Just the usual "yes" will do fine ;) 19:54:35 <V453000> HELL YEAH 19:54:52 <Eddi|zuHause> probably not. 19:57:59 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3E22.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:01:59 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 20:04:24 <peter1138> I used to get my Lego from Beatties and the like. 20:04:35 <andythenorth> when there was such a thing 20:04:45 <peter1138> Yeah, I guess toy shops don't exist any more :( 20:04:55 <peter1138> Fucking supermarkets. 20:06:19 <peter1138> Gamleys as well. 20:08:28 <andythenorth> smyths 20:08:56 <peter1138> I guess there is Toys 'R' Us still, but that was more part of the problem :S 20:09:02 <andythenorth> http://www.smythstoys.com/uk/en-gb/toys/c-766/lego-bricks/p-6355/lego-city-cargo-train-60052/ 20:09:11 <andythenorth> http://www.smythstoys.com/uk/en-gb/toys/c-766/lego-bricks/p-6372/lego-movie-bennys-spaceship-spaceship-spaceship-70816/ 20:10:11 <peter1138> That... looks almost like a proper Lego spaceship. 20:12:33 <andythenorth> odd 20:16:36 <andythenorth> frick 20:16:39 * andythenorth broke the tests 20:16:40 <andythenorth> hate that 20:24:27 *** Jomann [~abchirk@p4FE21F02.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:26:46 *** Guest1140 [~jinks@172.245.35.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:27:54 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 20:28:12 *** jinks_ [~jinks@172.245.35.67] has joined #openttd 20:35:37 *** jinks- [~jinks@172.245.35.67] has joined #openttd 20:36:16 *** jinks_ [~jinks@172.245.35.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:47:34 *** chrswk [~chrswk@213.188.54.50] has joined #openttd 20:47:36 *** chrswk [~chrswk@213.188.54.50] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:49:41 *** Guest1177 [Biolunar@blfd-4d086450.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:51:21 <ginko> why aren't you allowed to build when game is paused? 20:51:52 <Taede> because you didnt enable the 'allow building when paused' setting 20:52:34 <ginko> Awesome! 20:55:05 <ginko> TY <3 :) 21:02:49 *** liq3 [~liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:32:16 <andythenorth> well 21:32:19 <andythenorth> that was easy 21:38:19 *** Marshy [~oftc-webi@2.123.204.58] has joined #openttd 21:40:28 *** MTs-iPad [~MTs-iPad@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has joined #openttd 21:43:36 <andythenorth> hrm 21:43:40 <andythenorth> the thing about 2x 21:43:43 <andythenorth> is that it looks nice 21:43:57 <andythenorth> otoh, when Iâm playing I donât really look at the graphics that much 21:44:02 <andythenorth> unless they suck 21:44:11 <andythenorth> too busy trying to beat the GS 21:49:47 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:c0d7:2800:c731:d4a] has quit [Quit: .] 21:50:38 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 21:55:22 <Wolf01> 'night 21:55:28 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:59:35 <andythenorth> also 21:59:36 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:02:39 *** Suicyder [~Suicyder@86.92.59.88] has quit [Quit: I love my HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 22:03:33 <Eddi|zuHause> ... there's pause to look at the graphics 22:07:46 <peter1138> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=71641 22:07:51 <peter1138> So... many bugs in that one? :p 22:08:33 *** supermop [~supermop@d110-33-191-54.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:10:31 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 22:11:12 *** itsatacoshop247 [~itsatacos@c-76-102-167-252.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:25:31 <Eddi|zuHause> i suppose i should just stay out of certain people's way... 22:25:36 *** SHOTbyGUN [shotbygun@213-186-253-83.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:27:09 <planetmaker> :) Some people just ask for not receiving the feedback they could get 22:32:23 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18791.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:44:25 <ginko> what's the big difference between 2-track station and 2x1-track stations? 22:45:44 <frosch123> if you mean the graphics, then there is none 22:46:06 <planetmaker> good night 22:46:59 *** TomyLobo [~foo@ip5b417367.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 22:47:36 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:06:23 <ginko> Can I change the location of my headquarters? 23:06:42 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 23:07:12 <ginko> But I can't bomb the old one away? 23:07:22 <Eddi|zuHause> you just build a new one 23:07:31 <Eddi|zuHause> the old one disappears 23:07:42 <ginko> :) Thank you 23:09:08 <ginko> Ah ok, in the Manager Tab is a Button for changing that... :) 23:16:02 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f7473da.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 23:25:07 *** supermop [~supermop@d110-33-191-54.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:25:18 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-72-94-147-76.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 23:25:33 *** Marshy [~oftc-webi@2.123.204.58] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:31:57 *** liq3 [~liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 23:32:36 *** slonik [~KWKdesign@pool-72-94-147-76.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:33:30 *** liq3 [~liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:50:29 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-37-79.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd