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00:53:52 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 01:27:59 *** quorzom [~quorzom@cable-78-35-98-177.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:31:53 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:38:04 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:28:13 *** Pereba [~UserNick@179.178.242.175] has quit [Quit: www.AdiIRC.com - Free alternative to mIRC] 03:10:48 *** Netsplit larich.oftc.net <-> resistance.oftc.net quits: Sacro, Cursarion, Taytay, @DorpsGek, theholyduck, lastmikoi, Osai, guru3, MTsPony, Vadtec, (+87 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 03:12:20 *** Netsplit over, joins: @peter1138, Prof_Frink, SmatZ, KenjiE20, JGR, SpComb, XeryusTC, @orudge, LordAro, Sacro (+87 more) 03:12:34 *** mode/#openttd [+v Belugas] by ChanServ 03:12:37 *** mode/#openttd [+o Rubidium] by ChanServ 03:33:43 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:39:00 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 04:32:36 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6DC8.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:35:17 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:37:02 *** itsatacoshop247_ [~itsatacos@2601:9:1180:237:5ca8:d907:b9b8:cb48] has joined #openttd 04:37:09 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 04:41:25 *** itsatacoshop247 [~itsatacos@2601:9:1180:237:f16d:3c7a:3ff5:b6bc] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:45:01 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has joined #openttd 04:48:05 *** itsatacoshop247_ [~itsatacos@2601:9:1180:237:5ca8:d907:b9b8:cb48] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:48:46 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 04:50:45 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:27:27 *** itsatacoshop247 [~itsatacos@2601:9:1180:237:3d8d:56e6:83aa:2351] has joined #openttd 05:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD5BC7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 05:56:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD5048.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 06:07:01 *** Ttech [~ttech@00014919.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:12:31 *** Ttech [~ttech@dragons.have.mostlyincorrect.info] has joined #openttd 06:31:45 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:33:19 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:15:01 *** supermop [~supermop@d110-33-179-139.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:12:01 *** TheGhostHybrid [~sierra@50.38.84.138] has joined #openttd 08:12:10 <TheGhostHybrid> Hello! I'm having trouble with my mouse cursor and couldn't find a matching bug report. 08:13:53 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:14:22 <TheGhostHybrid> When I first installed it, it was fine. It was only after going into the settings menu and putting the game in fullscreen mode that I can no longer see the cursor or click on anything. 08:23:01 *** TheGhostHybrid [~sierra@50.38.84.138] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:36:40 *** pxr [~Mychomize@46-236-110-230.customer.t3.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:43:34 <V453000> Eddi|zuHause: it is time to face your phobia https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/RAWR/CabbageHarvesterOfGreaterEvil.png 09:45:40 <planetmaker> omg! It all will be covered in slime! e-very-thing! 09:45:50 *** itsatacoshop247 [~itsatacos@2601:9:1180:237:3d8d:56e6:83aa:2351] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:50:23 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:f0ac:d79c:8124:da95] has joined #openttd 09:50:27 *** krinn [~krinn@78.54.71.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 09:51:17 <krinn> hi guys, got a question about power and TE, anyone in mood to get bugged? 09:52:27 <peter1138> As always, don't ask if you can ask... 09:53:30 <V453000> (: 09:53:45 <krinn> ok then, how do you find out "when" you need an extra engine (the redline where the vehicle couldn't handle it anymore with only 1 engine and goes slow while climbing) 09:54:10 <V453000> just by observing and seeing if the engine accelerates too poorly or not 09:54:17 <V453000> you will get the hang of it over time 09:54:25 <krinn> by numbers i mean 09:54:29 <V453000> you dont 09:54:36 <krinn> as ai couldn't watch 09:54:47 <V453000> XD 09:55:36 <krinn> i have put the two formula to get power and TE, but this doesn't seems related at all, a too weak engine still manage to climb, until i raise it to some huge amount of diff between maxTE of engine and actual TE need) 09:57:20 * V453000 back to snails 09:57:54 <krinn> V453000, got it now why i ask to ask for this before :) 10:27:26 <planetmaker> krinn, https://wiki.openttd.org/Tractive_Effort <-- does it help? 10:28:06 <krinn> it "had" help a lot, i got all the formulas from there 10:28:51 <krinn> but it doesn't gave clue how to find the redline, until better, i pick choice to calc engine power need at a low speed while climbing (15% maxspeed of engine) 10:29:07 <peter1138> Where does the magic 0.35 value come from? 10:29:07 <krinn> and if i cannot reach it, add another engine 10:29:44 <krinn> 0.35? 10:30:14 <planetmaker> peter1138, that's the friction of steel on steel 10:30:21 <planetmaker> roughly 10:30:25 <peter1138> Argh, double click to edit... annoying when I want to just select text. 10:30:48 <krinn> ah ok, you mean 35N 10:31:27 <peter1138> krinn, no, 0.35. Shows you read the whole page I guess... 10:32:24 <krinn> lol ok but 0.35µ is 35N :) 10:41:37 <peter1138> 0.35µ doesn't make any sense. 10:42:10 <peter1138> µ = 0.35 is an assignment. 10:53:28 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6DA7B.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 11:21:39 *** LadyHawk- is now known as LadyHawk 11:31:35 *** Taede [~T@nurionis.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:32:41 *** Taede [~T@nurionis.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:46:08 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 11:51:48 <Eddi|zuHause> steel-on-steel is actually more like 0.15, 0.35 probably assumes sand and stuff 11:54:05 <__ln___> https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/3671 12:06:22 *** Suicyder [~Suicyder@86.92.59.88] has joined #openttd 12:24:50 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:49:27 *** shirish [~quassel@0001358e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:04:08 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln___: that's... unfortunate 13:26:49 *** shirish [~quassel@59.97.98.142] has joined #openttd 14:06:27 <Xaroth|Work> __ln___: so about just as bad as eve's boot.ini issue :P 14:34:11 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:11:00 *** efess [~Efess@c-24-61-64-170.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:20:02 *** Jinassi [~jinassi@0001ec72.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:00:37 <NGC3982> 16:55 < NGCthree`> *** Ojamae has left the game (received invalid or unexpected packet) 16:00:55 <NGC3982> This just happend on a player on my server. Do i need to attend to this? 16:01:35 <Jinassi> I just had a player conjure 5,5million pounds out of thin air 16:01:36 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has quit [Quit: Quitting.] 16:03:21 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 16:03:50 <peter1138> Wrong, the decimal separator is . not , 16:04:41 <Rubidium> peter1138: it'll just make excel think you meant 5500 million 16:05:16 <NGC3982> Jinassi: Do you mean the player cheated? 16:05:24 <NGC3982> In a multiplayer game? :3 16:06:10 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 16:08:36 <Jinassi> NGC3982: yep, no logs of any donation or sales of vehicles or subsidies or railway removal. 16:09:13 <NGC3982> That's exciting. 16:09:15 <NGC3982> What server? 16:10:37 <Jinassi> rddt s1 16:12:04 <Jinassi> http://ttd.duck.me.uk/game?id=123 Serg Transport 16:15:04 <Jinassi> Player then bought vehicles(mostly planes), which then promptly bankrupted said company, since maintenance was exceptionally higher than profit(full load orders, no slot left to unload) 16:17:44 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:19:07 <peter1138> Highly conclusive. 16:24:20 <Taede> when you say no logs, which logs are you looking into? 16:24:32 <Taede> nvm 16:24:58 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 16:25:01 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 16:29:51 <peter1138> Magic logs. 16:30:10 <planetmaker> o/ 16:30:36 <peter1138> Can you log everything via admin port or somesuch? 16:30:39 <Taede> yes 16:30:55 <Taede> server1 uses soap, and should log most 16:31:41 <Taede> though these graphs look like they are generated from different logs 16:32:50 <Jinassi> am not able to provide fully detailed logs at the moment. These "magic logs" is all I can link at the moment. 16:33:07 <peter1138> Are you calling that graph a log? 16:33:32 <NGC3982> He did use a ". 16:33:33 <peter1138> (Cos that graph doesn't show anything about a 5.5 million quantitive easing) 16:53:30 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:54:33 *** Jinassi [~jinassi@0001ec72.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:54:51 <Alberth> moin 17:00:39 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:03:09 *** efess [~Efess@c-24-61-64-170.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:05:12 *** TheMask96 [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:15:17 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19ABD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:51:03 *** Haube [~Michi@ip25048c11.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #openttd 17:59:15 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:59:18 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 18:08:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19ABD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:17:54 *** Pensacola [~quassel@c80094.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 18:27:54 *** tu [~chatzilla@85-127-252-141.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 18:28:30 *** tu is now known as kabooty 18:31:06 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:36:57 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:40:40 *** kabooty [~chatzilla@85-127-252-141.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 35.0/20150108202552]] 18:40:55 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:42:34 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-57-62.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 18:48:51 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:51:45 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:55:43 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 18:57:48 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:11:19 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 19:11:23 <andythenorth> o/ 19:11:28 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3382.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 19:12:15 <andythenorth> lo Alberth 19:12:23 <Alberth> h ihi 19:12:44 <Alberth> still playing? 19:14:15 <andythenorth> yes 19:14:19 <andythenorth> I should fix my build though 19:14:25 <andythenorth> currently using the version from bananas ;P 19:14:55 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po1-84-90-249-192.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 19:14:59 <andythenorth> I donât know if I can face debugging my local build tonight though :P 19:15:07 <andythenorth> too many days of sleep at midnight, get up at 6am 19:15:07 <Samu> hi all 19:15:32 <Samu> It's been some time 19:16:10 <Alberth> just update? 19:16:22 <Alberth> or do you have local changes?\ 19:17:11 <Samu> Have you heard of Raptr or AMD Gaming Evolved App? 19:17:28 <Alberth> no 19:18:26 <Samu> It's a program that optimize games settings for your hardware, kinda like nvidia shadowplay. but the reason I come here is about a crash 19:18:30 <andythenorth> Alberth: Iâve pulled tip, but makefile is borked for me 19:18:59 <Alberth> oh dear, what does it say? 19:19:30 <andythenorth> canât find hg 19:19:35 <Alberth> lol 19:19:42 <andythenorth> I donât know if I want the pain of digging into that tonight :) 19:19:55 <andythenorth> I have to analyse about 500 booking records for a design :P 19:20:17 <Alberth> without hg, I hope :) 19:20:17 <Samu> When I exit Raptr while a game is running (such as OpenTTD), I get a warning from Raptr saying that it could potentially crash the game. 19:20:28 <Samu> And indeed it crashed OpenTTD 19:20:34 <andythenorth> my hg is fine ;) 19:20:35 <Samu> should I report? 19:20:40 <andythenorth> subprocess canât find 19:20:52 <Alberth> ah, ok 19:21:26 <Alberth> I may have killed PATH or so, to fix some other hg problem 19:22:04 <Alberth> Samu: report what? "I used random 3rd party software and it is broken?" 19:22:26 <Alberth> ie how can openttd fix problems in raptor or whatever it is called? 19:22:49 <Samu> it delivered a crash report 19:23:25 <Alberth> of course it did, it always does 19:24:26 <Alberth> but you raptor thingie warned you it might happen. Best solution imho is not use this raptor thing, or don't exit it while openttd is running 19:25:20 <Rubidium> a windows crash dump might be interesting to see, just to get a clue what is happening for the next guy that comes up with this issue (or just dumps something on the bug tracker) 19:25:54 <Alberth> Samu: ^ there's your permission to upload the crash 19:26:30 <Samu> okay, I'm also interested to know what's wrong with it 19:27:29 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d012a89.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:28:20 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 19:28:33 <andythenorth> quak 19:29:31 <Alberth> andythenorth: to verify python3 check_lang_compatibility.py lang/english.txt info.nut is broken? 19:30:36 <andythenorth> yes 19:30:43 <andythenorth> FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'hg' 19:32:16 <frosch123> hoi 19:34:07 * andythenorth compiles FIRS 19:34:18 <andythenorth> better make something to eat while I wait :P 19:34:21 <andythenorth> I should test new nmlc 19:34:23 <andythenorth> also 19:34:29 <Samu> uploading report now 19:36:30 *** Pensacola [~quassel@c80094.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:38:10 <Alberth> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pfpykjift does this fix it? 19:39:03 <Alberth> hola 19:40:43 <Samu> strange, I cant seem to post 19:40:50 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:41:24 <Samu> trying to create the task, and nothing happens 19:42:10 <Alberth> not logged in? 19:42:27 <Samu> I logged in 19:43:05 <Samu> must be my internet 19:43:34 <Alberth> no summary? 19:43:36 <glx> <Samu> It's a program that optimize games settings for your hardware, kinda like nvidia shadowplay. but the reason I come here is about a crash <-- it's not shadowplay it's geforce experience 19:44:00 <glx> shadowplay is for streaming 19:44:24 <Samu> ah, that :) 19:45:05 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:45:14 <Samu> Could I upload to somewhere else and someone post on my behalf to Flyspray? 19:46:19 <Rubidium> yup 19:47:29 <Samu> oh, it worked now 19:47:42 <Samu> i still have 2 screenshots 19:47:59 <Samu> https://bugs.openttd.org/task/6209 19:49:17 <andythenorth> Alberth: https://paste.openttdcoop.org/p7x1xqbwx 19:49:20 *** Myhorta[1] [~Myhorta@2001:8a0:ed44:5b01:38fd:ba3f:3182:4986] has joined #openttd 19:49:37 <Samu> ok, screenshots also posted there as comments 19:50:52 <glx> [00] ??? 0x000007FEDC697940 19:50:52 <glx> [01] openttd 0x00000001401EFEAC 19:51:11 <glx> the huge address change is weird 19:51:12 <Alberth> interesting, how does it end up with "undle" ? 19:51:23 <frosch123> "b" is the "branch" command 19:51:31 <frosch123> it takes the filename as part of the sed script 19:51:42 <frosch123> i guess andy should get a better os 19:51:49 <frosch123> with a less hillariously broken sed 19:52:01 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 19:53:17 <krinn> don't os/x should use bsd sed instead of gnu/sed? 19:53:27 <Alberth> andythenorth: https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pzxyh1t38 add -e ? 19:53:33 <Alberth> krinn: yep 19:53:41 <krinn> that's the problem me think 19:54:25 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:55:07 <frosch123> when would bsd sed expect a filename then? 19:55:17 <andythenorth> canât get the patch to apply 19:55:19 * andythenorth faffs 19:55:40 *** Chucky2 [~chucky@p548FE3CA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:56:04 <Alberth> -i always takes an argument with bsd sed, so -i -> -i '' 19:57:16 <frosch123> oh, does -i take the filename? 19:57:37 <Alberth> no, an extension to use for the backup file 19:57:57 <Alberth> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=sed 19:58:28 <Alberth> -I is also interesting, no idea how you'd use that :p 19:59:19 <krinn> howabout some <sed 's/this/that' infile.txt > outputfile.txt for bsdsed? 19:59:35 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@62-78-237-171.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 19:59:48 <andythenorth> bloody makefile editing :) 19:59:52 <andythenorth> I have to entab all my spaces 19:59:56 <andythenorth> I think itâs worked 20:00:08 <Alberth> hmm, -i '' fails here :p 20:00:13 <alluke> ogfx+ industries seems to be fucked 20:00:23 <alluke> i can get sawmill to appear on the industry list 20:00:28 <frosch123> Alberth: hmm, gnu sed has "-s", which looks like "-I" is the default 20:00:38 <alluke> can't* 20:00:39 <frosch123> never noticed that 20:00:46 *** Chucky2 [~chucky@p548FE3CA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: [Nettalk6] - www.ntalk.de] 20:00:58 <frosch123> didn't know considering them one file was even an option :p 20:01:40 <Alberth> alluke: in tropical you have to fund the sawmill 20:01:45 <andythenorth> hmm 20:01:52 <alluke> im in temperate 20:02:01 <andythenorth> dbg: [misc] [Squirrel] Compile error: Error /Users/andy/Documents/OpenTTD/game/busy-bee-gs/info.nut:23/32: end of statement expected (; or lf) 20:02:04 <alluke> paper mill appears on the list if i select it 20:02:14 <alluke> and i can get factory to accept it too 20:02:16 <frosch123> there is a setting for the wood chain 20:02:19 <alluke> yep 20:02:51 <alluke> thats what im plying with 20:04:00 <Alberth> andythenorth: yep, you have to use an build version 20:04:21 <Alberth> it's a hassle though 20:04:27 <andythenorth> I thought I did 20:04:40 * andythenorth is figuring out how GS is installed 20:05:40 <peter1138> Reverse it into the garage. 20:06:11 <peter1138> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citro%C3%ABn_GS < such car 20:06:24 <frosch123> andythenorth: add a symlink from the game folder obove to the bundle dir in your checkout 20:06:48 <alluke> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1004368/wood2fac.png 20:06:52 <alluke> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1004368/wood2pap.png 20:06:56 <alluke> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1004368/wood2saw.png 20:07:00 <andythenorth> frosch123: thanks 20:07:15 <andythenorth> I am trying to cirumvent savegame min version right now :P 20:07:18 <andythenorth> donât ask why :P 20:07:21 <andythenorth> failing 20:08:10 <alluke> should i report? 20:08:15 <Alberth> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pspdqkyop let's drop -i :) 20:08:35 <krinn> andythenorth, function MinVersionToLoad() { return 1; } and you're good to go 20:09:01 *** eQualizer|dada [~lauri@46-163-226-192.blcnet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:09:44 <andythenorth> hmm info.nut-e 20:09:47 <Rubidium> Samu: the stack trace in the dump file looks really weird 20:09:50 <andythenorth> and info.nut 20:09:51 <frosch123> 439 mib to download :) V is screwing the "download it all" people in a very custom fashion :p 20:10:44 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 20:11:16 <Alberth> alluke: final shot at least looks wrong, so yeah, please report in ogfx+industries (include the save game too) 20:11:25 <alluke> okay 20:11:37 <alluke> ill quickly test it with fresh game 20:12:03 <Samu> stack trace? eh... not sure what it is. Raptr keeps track of my total gaming time for OpenTTD. I'm not sure what else it can do. 20:12:51 <Rubidium> Samu: it's basically a list of functions that is being run at the moment of the crash 20:13:10 <frosch123> Samu: the "stacktrace" are the 4kB that are useful information from the 6.72 MB .dmp you uploaded :) 20:13:27 <andythenorth> patch failed, /me too sleepy to figure out :P 20:13:51 <andythenorth> what am I supposed to understand from the .rej file? 20:13:53 <Alberth> import PIL 20:13:58 <andythenorth> itâs just *** codes and line numbers 20:14:20 <Alberth> it contains the rejected hunks 20:14:25 <andythenorth> yes :) 20:14:30 <alluke> hmm 20:14:35 <alluke> everything works in fresh game 20:14:38 <Alberth> that's it :p 20:14:42 <alluke> gotta try to play with the grfs 20:15:05 <andythenorth> so debugging failed hunks is a guessing game? 20:15:33 <Alberth> the old text didn't match 20:15:42 <andythenorth> Iâll just C+P 20:16:32 <Rubidium> oh, raptr seems to also crash Chrome upon exit with roughtly the same exception offset (given ASLR it might be the same): http://raptr.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37436 20:16:32 <Alberth> to get the cause you need to check how your hunk differs with the 'old' part of the rejected hunk 20:16:42 <Alberth> usually it's not worth the trouble :) 20:18:19 <andythenorth> sed: 1: "bundle/BusyBee-v5494M-h ...": undefined label 'undle/BusyBee-v5494M-h4a46f566a8bb/info.nut' 20:18:21 <andythenorth> hah 20:18:27 <andythenorth> trying to find the missing âb' 20:18:40 <Alberth> the -i ate it, I think 20:19:18 <Alberth> (21:08:14) Alberth: https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pspdqkyop let's drop -i :) <-- so this perhaps? 20:19:52 <andythenorth> ok appears to work 20:20:11 <andythenorth> it was my stupid editor, it has a bad habit of silently switching to .orig files when selecting a file to edit 20:20:15 <andythenorth> so changes go missing 20:20:44 <Alberth> and the check_lang_compatibility problem? 20:21:12 <Alberth> ie entire https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pspdqkyop 20:22:52 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: There's a real world out here!] 20:22:56 <andythenorth> itâs compiled and appears in my game 20:23:08 <andythenorth> now I just want to trick the compatibility to match my savegame :P 20:23:22 <andythenorth> not sure I can 20:24:08 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:25:09 <Wolf01> hi hi 20:25:11 <Alberth> hi hi 20:25:21 <krinn> hi 20:25:41 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-162.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 20:25:58 *** NGC3982 [~kruger@h215n4-vj-d3.ias.bredband.telia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:26:05 <krinn> andythenorth, just gave you upper howto 20:26:10 *** NGC3982 [~kruger@h215n4-vj-d3.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #openttd 20:26:24 <krinn> hi Zuu 20:26:28 <andythenorth> ha 20:26:29 <andythenorth> no 20:26:41 <andythenorth> because I canât build without the makefile 20:27:01 <andythenorth> and the makefile appears to set the version 20:27:53 <andythenorth> Alberth: in any case, it builds and appears in menu 20:28:07 <Alberth> function MinVersionToLoad() { return 1; } as krrinn said 20:28:15 <andythenorth> and I have the last full paste you gave afaict 20:28:42 *** eQualizer [~lauri@46-163-226-192.blcnet.fi] has joined #openttd 20:28:43 <andythenorth> hmm 20:28:48 <Alberth> ok, trying to fix the bananas upload thingie too, but it's tricky :) 20:28:54 <Zuu> hi krinn 20:28:57 <andythenorth> well the compiled bundle has MINCOMPATIBLE_SAVEGAME_VERSION <- 1 20:29:05 <andythenorth> which is the version my savegame says it wants 20:29:07 <andythenorth> nvm 20:29:13 <andythenorth> not significant 20:29:33 <Alberth> makefile works around it already :p 20:31:03 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:32:33 <Alberth> :o 3 new languages :) 20:32:40 <Alberth> pushed btw 20:33:36 <andythenorth> seems to work 20:33:39 <andythenorth> :) 20:34:20 *** quorzom [~quorzom@cable-78-35-98-177.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 20:38:35 <glx> <@Rubidium> oh, raptr seems to also crash Chrome upon exit with roughtly the same exception offset (given ASLR it might be the same): http://raptr.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37436 <-- yup very similar, like a dll brutally removed and no longer listed in module information 20:40:17 <glx> I guess these tools hook themself in running programs but don't unhook properly on exit 20:41:56 <Zuu> Alberth: You got one more language waiting for next sync. :-) 20:42:18 <Alberth> :) thanks Zuu 20:45:27 <Alberth> andythenorth: version = v5493-hde8b1dc14ad3 <-- that ok as development version for bananas? 20:45:35 <andythenorth> herp, no idea :) 20:46:22 <Alberth> technically just the hash would be enough, but the day may be nice too 20:46:42 <Alberth> as it provides an increasing number 20:48:29 <Alberth> let's keep it this way for a while :) 20:49:29 <andythenorth> wfm 20:51:03 <andythenorth> hmm 20:51:15 <andythenorth> I set everything in info.nut to â1â :P 20:51:15 <andythenorth> The savegame has an GameScript by the name 'BusyBee', version 1 which is no longer available 20:52:31 <Alberth> maybe you have another version with a higher number somewhere? 20:53:22 <Alberth> maybe your downloaded version? 20:53:34 <krinn> i think it bork the script itself, with higher version it should just load higher version, the message tells it cannot find any busybee gs 20:54:06 <Alberth> good point 20:54:10 <andythenorth> Iâve binned the downloaded version 20:54:29 <andythenorth> ah 20:54:44 <andythenorth> version reported in ottd UI is 100001 20:54:47 <krinn> andythenorth, my guess would be: gs directory inside the tar or unpack should be of "busybee.version" 20:54:55 <andythenorth> which is v5494 20:55:39 <Alberth> return PROGRAM_VERSION + SAVEGAME_VERSION * 100000; :) 20:56:14 <andythenorth> got it 20:57:09 <Alberth> pushed bananas version fix 20:57:26 <krinn> happy new years everyone (lol yeah, i'm late, just remember it) 20:58:16 <andythenorth> hmm well everything is now 1 :) 20:58:20 <andythenorth> but my savegame hates it 20:58:30 <andythenorth> this is probably not supported behaviour :) 21:00:12 <krinn> with minversintoload set to 1 it should load any savegame 21:00:43 <krinn> if it cann't, it might be some other things is going on (like api set higher than openttd api version) 21:02:24 <krinn> i saw in vehicle details windows it shown me TE for the vehicle, but not anymore? do it output it only with multihead train? 21:02:49 <andythenorth> ho ho, well v59 of Busy Bee works :) 21:02:55 * andythenorth back to that 21:03:21 <Zuu> Lol, looking up "fibre crop farm" on google image search in order to translate it, and the first hit is from FIRS :-p 21:03:45 <andythenorth> krinn: TE is there for me with Iron Horse, not with PIPE 21:04:02 <andythenorth> probably some newgrf handling 21:04:23 <andythenorth> Zuu: itâs a made up term afaict 21:04:32 <krinn> i use the same savegame, so no chnage to newgrf 21:04:46 <andythenorth> which newgrf(s) do you have? 21:04:54 <andythenorth> I think it depends what props they set, or itâs a railtype thing 21:05:11 <krinn> opengfx industry only now 21:06:26 <andythenorth> no clue then :) 21:07:06 <krinn> ah got it! only display when acceleration model is swap 21:11:02 * andythenorth plays ottd 21:18:36 <andythenorth> hmm 21:18:42 * andythenorth adds cheats to âFull FIRS' 21:19:15 <krinn> what realistic acc model change? with it, train climb the hill easy, with original it get down to its knees while trying 21:19:40 <frosch123> with default all trains perform the same on hills 21:19:46 <Zuu> In realistic curves impact more than in original. IIRC 21:19:49 <frosch123> with realistic there are actually differences 21:20:55 <krinn> it looks like it change TE need is twice when original acc is use 21:21:16 <frosch123> huh? original acc does not know te 21:22:05 <krinn> i don't know then, it just cannot climb the hill with it, the very same train just swapping the acc model 21:24:16 <frosch123> iirc no trains can climb any hills with original acc 21:25:20 <glx> there's a work around to get a minimal speed iirc 21:25:46 <krinn> glx: i'm all hears! 21:25:50 <Eddi|zuHause> any hill tile instantly reduces train speed on original 21:26:01 <krinn> glx: well, ears then 21:26:02 <Eddi|zuHause> no matter the train or the power 21:26:31 <glx> krinn: the code manage to get a speed of 1km/h or something in case the acceleration is too low 21:26:35 <frosch123> not instantly, just exponentially fast or so :p 21:27:39 <krinn> frosch123, maybe, but how then should i guess what speed i would get? 21:27:56 <frosch123> with original, just assume 1 21:27:57 <Eddi|zuHause> just don't use original. 21:28:04 <frosch123> or that :p 21:28:09 *** ginko [~ginko@0001b68f.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:28:19 <krinn> Eddi|zuHause, it's not something i could handle myself :) 21:28:32 <andythenorth> hrm 21:28:41 <frosch123> hmm, "original" is still the default value, isn't it? :p 21:28:47 <andythenorth> well Full FIRS is about to get rebalanced massively for 1.4.0 21:28:52 <andythenorth> where is V453000? 21:28:54 <krinn> yes 21:28:57 * andythenorth summons V453000 21:29:00 <andythenorth> come on V453000 21:29:08 <frosch123> drinking beer most likely 21:29:13 <andythenorth> bloody V453000 21:29:24 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: yes, $someone was against changing it waaaay back when i suggested all the other default changes 21:29:55 <krinn> Eddi|zuHause, you mean, noway, with original acc mode, just add extra engine blindly? 21:29:56 <Zuu> krinn: do people ask about original accelaration model for AIs? Otherwise, you could also try to disable build_on_slopes and get another challenge in making your AI compatible to that too. 21:30:13 <Eddi|zuHause> krinn: don't build hills with original. ever. 21:31:00 <krinn> Zuu: didn't wonder it would be as critical as build_on_slopes settings 21:31:10 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po1-84-90-249-192.netvisao.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:31:47 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 21:32:00 <Eddi|zuHause> build on slopes just makes the game horrible. 21:32:07 <Eddi|zuHause> disabling, i mean 21:33:12 <krinn> for human player it is aweful so an ai expecting it on is not challenging setting that much, but original acc model is diff, i always have it enable until i start testing stuff right now 21:37:02 <andythenorth> I spent fricking ages designing FIRS to avoid short-cutting cargo chains 21:37:18 <andythenorth> but when I actually tried it, itâs fun 21:37:40 <andythenorth> Full FIRS now has ports and bulk terminals 21:37:53 <andythenorth> deliver [otherwise neglected cargoes], get supplies out 21:40:15 <andythenorth> faster faster faster compile :P 21:40:22 * andythenorth had better try new nmlc soon 21:41:23 <krinn> showing age andythenorth when you start repeat yourself :) 21:41:36 <andythenorth> showing lack of sleep 21:41:42 <andythenorth> also words I lose 21:42:13 * krinn thinks "showing lack of sleep" should be top excuse to "aging" 21:43:07 *** Suicyder [~Suicyder@86.92.59.88] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Po-ta-to, boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew.] 21:46:56 <andythenorth> 51 industries in Full FIRS 21:46:59 <andythenorth> must be enough, right? 21:47:07 <andythenorth> or I should put power plant back? o_O 21:47:34 <andythenorth> I am out of cargoes, otherwise Iâd just add âElectricityâ cargo, with pylon trains 21:48:19 <andythenorth> ho ho, actually one is spare, sugar beet / sugarcane never appear together 22:00:48 *** Haube [~Michi@ip25048c11.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:02:33 *** Myhorta[1] [~Myhorta@2001:8a0:ed44:5b01:38fd:ba3f:3182:4986] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:04:56 *** itsatacoshop247 [~itsatacos@2601:9:1180:237:f16d:3c7a:3ff5:b6bc] has joined #openttd 22:06:09 *** kais58 [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 22:13:18 <alluke> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bc4_1419486874 22:16:33 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:f0ac:d79c:8124:da95] has quit [Quit: .] 22:21:39 *** ginko_ [~ginko@0001b68f.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 22:22:38 *** fiesfmwa [~ginko@port-92-194-108-39.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 22:28:48 *** ginko [~ginko@0001b68f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:30:07 *** ginko_ [~ginko@0001b68f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:31:28 *** fiesfmwa [~ginko@port-92-194-108-39.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:31:36 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d012a89.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 22:31:46 *** ginko [~ginko@0001b68f.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 22:32:38 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:36:18 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6DA7B.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:49:17 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@62-78-237-171.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:52:38 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-162.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:01:58 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19ABD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:28:05 <Wolf01> 'night 23:28:08 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:31:05 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3382.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 23:31:28 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@kel30.kel.studentenwerk-goettingen.de] has joined #openttd 23:54:45 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@kel30.kel.studentenwerk-goettingen.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [SeaMonkey 2.31/20141206170135]] 23:59:22 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19ABD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]