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00:00:28 <drac_boy> the little white thats visible between cab and the little tender is the actual drive motor if you had to ask btw :) 00:05:58 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6CE26.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:07:02 * drac_boy also went through many long posts on the german forum :-s (was just curious what kind of graphics they had over there heh) 00:15:00 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: There's a real world out here!] 00:19:29 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x4d0250b9.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:24:02 <Wolf01> yeah that's nice 00:24:07 <Wolf01> but, 'night 00:24:11 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 00:32:38 *** drac_boy [~oftc-webi@modemcable027.125-163-184.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [] 00:49:40 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 00:59:06 *** liq3 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Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.230] has joined #openttd 10:34:53 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 10:37:41 *** peter1138 [~petern@00013681.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:37:44 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 10:42:59 *** Belugas [~belugas@00011985.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:45:47 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.230] has joined #openttd 10:45:50 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 10:53:48 <argoneus> good morning train friends 10:53:55 *** Belugas [~belugas@00011985.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:54:07 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.230] has joined #openttd 10:54:10 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 10:54:33 <V453000> oh so thats why yeti development has died out https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/12279040_10153753763869826_1845360019544322951_n.jpg?oh=a6ab49fa4edbf1b9b00e2311cbf76427&oe=571928B5 11:06:21 *** Belugas [~belugas@00011985.user.oftc.net] has quit 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[~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 13:57:47 <andythenorth> also why are all these industries on the top of mountains? 13:57:48 <andythenorth> :P 13:58:27 <V453000> sup the north 13:58:33 <V453000> roadtypes? 13:59:37 <andythenorth> meh 14:01:51 *** Belugas [~belugas@00011985.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:02:02 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.230] has joined #openttd 14:02:05 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 14:03:59 <andythenorth> V453000 render ships for me? max realisms? 14:04:52 <V453000> shit on ship 14:05:26 <V453000> atm I am solving the issue of vehicles getting longer in side and top/front views 14:05:39 <V453000> the only outcome looks like two models 14:06:03 <V453000> which is kind of bullshit because I want to rig some mechanisms and animate it 14:06:13 <V453000> making those twice is quite a big wtf 14:06:35 <V453000> perhaps I should just take a brush and draw it all and be done quicker XD 14:09:20 <V453000> ON THE OTHER HAND ships do not really mind if they are shorter in the side view :P 14:09:27 <V453000> I am starting to see the advantages andythenorth 14:10:26 <andythenorth> advantages of...? 14:10:27 <andythenorth> o_O 14:11:53 <V453000> of shits 14:12:07 <V453000> can make just one 3D model, no issues ever 14:12:14 <V453000> while trains have to remain consistent in curves 14:12:26 <juzza1> how would it look if _ is in right perspective, and the others are shortened 14:12:53 <V453000> super chubby 14:13:32 <V453000> the / \ already look like the vehicle is very short, taking a longer one and scaling it in that direction would probably make it even worse 14:13:43 <V453000> I think the only 100% solution is two 3D models 14:13:53 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has joined #openttd 14:14:15 *** Belugas [~belugas@00011985.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:14:41 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.230] has joined #openttd 14:14:44 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 14:15:02 <andythenorth> just chibi it in both dimensions 14:15:10 <V453000> especially if your vehicle has big round shapes, the round shapes are extremely visible when stretched 14:15:35 <V453000> side view will still be way less chibi :P 14:15:39 <V453000> 40% is shitload 14:15:46 <andythenorth> yeaâŠ. 14:15:51 <juzza1> wheels and such arent that bad looking when squashed in / view, but yeah, theres the chubbiness, though i dont see how you can reduce that even with two models without altering the height between views 14:15:57 <andythenorth> also, nobody knows what is âcorrectâ 14:16:02 <andythenorth> so I have stopped making ships 14:16:08 <andythenorth> V453000 ^ easiest answer 14:16:18 <andythenorth> no point doing any work if itâs just wrong 14:17:02 <V453000> well with 3D models the correct can seem to be the 3D coordinates of the model, ignoring that the projection of bullshit sprites change the dimensions 14:17:09 <andythenorth> also 14:17:11 <V453000> yes that is kind of true juzza1 14:17:21 <andythenorth> instead of 2 models, can you have 2 cameras? 14:17:43 <V453000> yeah but that is the same as if you just stretch/scale the model 14:17:48 <V453000> I did that in NUTS 14:18:05 <V453000> it kind of works on the first sight but especially with some objects, the stretching is just visible 14:18:30 <V453000> with DOOM I tried to work in 120% scaling, and used 100% for /\ and 140% for side 14:18:38 <V453000> the concept sounds cute but the difference is still weird 14:19:40 <andythenorth> making 2 models is boatloads of work 14:19:51 <V453000> yes and no 14:19:52 <andythenorth> for something most people will never notice 14:20:04 <V453000> people do notice andy 14:20:19 <andythenorth> for ships? 14:20:21 <V453000> Pikkas approach is just utterly wrong, I hate that ... and stretched things do look weird 14:20:24 <V453000> not for ships 14:20:27 <V453000> ships do not care at all 14:20:31 <V453000> there the problem is nonexistent 14:20:40 <andythenorth> trains is different to ships 14:20:46 <andythenorth> trains is headache 14:20:49 <andythenorth> RVs also 14:20:54 <V453000> yes am talking about trains 14:20:58 <V453000> RVs slightly less 14:21:07 <andythenorth> try lining up articulated RVs nicely :P 14:21:07 <V453000> RVs are visible on diagonal only for a short period of time 14:21:16 <V453000> and do not need to be super consistent 14:21:17 <andythenorth> but depot and buy menu... 14:21:20 <andythenorth> means hacks 14:21:26 <V453000> well sure 14:21:27 <andythenorth> haxor 14:21:37 <V453000> but that is just 1 view, and you make 1 view fit to itself, easy 14:21:39 * andythenorth has just invented a new art style 14:21:43 <V453000> trains is combining the 2 views 14:21:49 <V453000> which is THE bullshit 14:22:03 <andythenorth> all vehicles are like a flat piece of card, no front view, only side 14:22:15 <andythenorth> like characters in board games 14:22:17 * andythenorth looks for image 14:23:35 <V453000> well, if you would do it in an interesting way then it could be nice 14:23:48 <V453000> but interesting probably means any kind of sensible detail which would again be prone to stretching 14:24:30 <andythenorth> yeah, but easy to fix by scaling 14:24:32 <andythenorth> maybe 14:24:33 <andythenorth> dunno 14:24:37 <andythenorth> also would look cool 14:24:52 <V453000> yes but 99% people would probably not find it playable 14:24:58 <andythenorth> ach just make the whole thing a 3D world 14:25:03 <andythenorth> rotateable camera 14:25:06 <andythenorth> problem solved 14:25:28 <V453000> when I see how shit zbase is, I cant imagine how bad would 3D openttd end up 14:25:43 <V453000> though, non-textured clean colourful style could work 14:26:56 <andythenorth> also I am confused 14:27:00 <andythenorth> I thought you quit due to RL? 14:27:04 <andythenorth> o_O 14:27:11 <andythenorth> not so? 14:27:34 <V453000> not entirely 14:27:42 <V453000> I am busy as fuck, yes 14:27:52 <V453000> but doing things helps me get more experience and stuff 14:28:01 <V453000> also I have utterly revolutionary gameplay idea for a train set 14:28:11 <V453000> and I really want to see it happen 14:29:27 <andythenorth> one powered wagon, refits everything 14:29:33 <andythenorth> graphics for all things 14:29:36 <andythenorth> 5 generations 14:29:40 <andythenorth> one railtype 14:30:26 <V453000> actually about 8 wagons, each refits everything 14:30:30 <V453000> graphics for all things 14:30:43 <V453000> generations dont matter but probably some evolution of engines would be nice 14:30:55 <V453000> multiple railtypes (like 3-5) 14:30:59 *** Belugas [~belugas@00011985.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:31:33 <V453000> the core idea is that you have one train engine, and put some wagons behind it. Depending which wagons you choose, and where you put them, would adapt the train performance 14:31:55 <V453000> ie power wagons, speed wagons, tractive effort wagons, extra capacity wagons, loading speed wagons, ... 14:32:11 <V453000> and if you put them closer to engine, they give more bonus, further away from engine lesser bonus 14:32:15 <andythenorth> ha ha 14:32:18 <andythenorth> innovation :) 14:32:18 <V453000> -> you can assemble any train you want 14:32:45 <V453000> -> you can autoreplace between wagon types to try what works for you 14:33:06 <V453000> -> it is way the fuck less WTF than PURR/MEOW (trains adapting stats to railtype), and gives more train building options 14:33:40 <V453000> though, there will be at least one train/wagon which will allow for track detection and adapting to it, simply because it allows for some great things with conditional orders 14:33:48 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.230] has joined #openttd 14:33:51 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 14:36:19 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@82.210.156.68] has joined #openttd 14:41:27 * andythenorth considers doing same for ships 14:41:31 <andythenorth> but using subtype refits :P 14:42:17 <V453000> if you cant combine them from many subsegments, it isnt nearly as good :P 14:42:29 <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds terribly pointless 14:42:51 <V453000> I dont think refit to subtypes should affect performance 14:43:02 <V453000> colours etc, sure 14:45:55 <peter1138> Gearing? 14:45:58 <peter1138> Tee hee 14:46:04 *** Belugas [~belugas@00011985.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:46:41 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.230] has joined #openttd 14:46:44 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 14:51:37 <V453000> heh yeah 14:54:51 *** Belugas [~belugas@00011985.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:55:01 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.230] has joined #openttd 14:55:05 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 14:56:08 *** liq3 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