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00:21:35 *** Ketsuban [~ketsuban@2a02:c7d:a33e:4100:810a:71a0:f62a:16c5] has joined #openttd 00:26:24 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~farci@i59F6B6D4.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:37:52 <drac_boy> hm guess sim-a12 probably is around another night instead..ah well :) 00:37:55 *** drac_boy [~oftc-webi@modemcable027.125-163-184.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [] 00:44:53 <Eddi|zuHause> sometimes i think i should put him on ignore... 00:44:56 <Eddi|zuHause> the poor kid... 00:49:28 <sim-al2> heh... 00:51:17 <Wolf01> :( 00:51:37 * Wolf01 -> bed 00:51:40 <Wolf01> 'night 00:51:44 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 01:00:01 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-148-51-74.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 01:03:36 *** liq3 [~liq3@CPE-120-148-51-74.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 01:20:00 *** liq3 [~liq3@CPE-120-148-51-74.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 01:22:49 *** liq3 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[Quit: :q!] 12:07:59 <argoneus> good morning train friends 12:22:32 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host243-238-dynamic.54-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 12:22:56 <Wolf01> o/ 12:30:44 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 12:37:15 *** roidal_ [~roland@193-154-141-73.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 12:44:06 *** roidal [~roland@193-154-143-31.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:45:47 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:47:32 <Wolf01> mmmh, and if I want to put a clock into a clock? 12:52:31 *** oskari892 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:00:40 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-158-76.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:07:37 *** AdmiralKew [~pcc31@119.94.104.228] has joined #openttd 13:07:46 <argoneus> he has a clock, quick arrest him 13:09:33 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 13:45:02 <Wolf01> I still can't understand the resolution (dpi) to use for my display and the correct font size :| 13:45:08 <Wolf01> every font is different 13:46:27 <Wolf01> for a small font I need to set more dpi to keep the lines close, for a larger font I need to reduce the dpi to make it readable 13:50:34 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 14:06:18 <peter1138> err 14:23:52 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 14:23:55 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 14:26:05 *** Clockworker__ [Clockworke@177.2.176.228] has joined #openttd 14:30:37 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:32:52 *** Clockworker_ [Clockworke@177.2.176.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:38:10 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 15:00:21 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.230] has joined #openttd 15:00:25 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 15:05:28 *** ckraniak [~ckraniak@2600:100c:b21e:690d:342c:2cf6:5210:a2b4] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:06:44 *** ckraniak [~ckraniak@2600:100c:b21e:690d:342c:2cf6:5210:a2b4] has joined #openttd 15:16:13 <Wolf01> uh, shit happened... the library has a function to check if the display is connected, the parameter is int and can check for 2 different models (1 and 2), if I check for 1 it works, if I check for 1 | 2 it doesn't, but it worked right before the conversion from const to enum... does anybody know if there might be something weird happening there? 15:16:53 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 15:16:56 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 15:23:43 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:26:24 <Eddi|zuHause> how does your check look? 15:27:13 <Eddi|zuHause> (that doesn't sound like proper english, somehow) 15:28:02 <Wolf01> if (!IsConnected(MONO | COLOR)) 15:29:40 <Wolf01> https://autoit.de/index.php/Attachment/83443-LogitechGamingLCDSDK-pdf/ page 7 15:30:49 <Wolf01> I called init for both panels, IsConnected(MONO) returns true 15:33:32 <Wolf01> I expect both function to work as the docs say 15:33:37 <Wolf01> functions* 15:34:28 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-175.cbu.edu] has joined #openttd 15:34:39 *** drac_boy [~oftc-webi@modemcable027.125-163-184.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 15:34:40 <drac_boy> hi 15:36:17 <sim-al2> hi 15:36:17 <drac_boy> not sure why didn't think of this for a while but how do you find a grfid to use or is it just kinda like a random thing? 15:36:41 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: and you are sure MONO and COLOR are set to the right version? 15:36:56 <Eddi|zuHause> *right value 15:37:09 <sim-al2> I think the standard procedure for grfid is the initials of your name 15:37:32 <drac_boy> oh, thanks and btw hi again sim-a12 :) 15:38:01 <Wolf01> public const int LOGI_LCD_TYPE_MONO = (0x00000001); 15:38:01 <Wolf01> public const int LOGI_LCD_TYPE_COLOR = (0x00000002); 15:38:05 <Wolf01> from the docs 15:38:06 <sim-al2> There's a wiki page around here somewhere, one sec 15:38:27 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: but you said you switched to enum? 15:38:49 <Wolf01> yes, I copied the values to the enum, 15:40:13 <Wolf01> both (int)(COLOR | MONO) and (LOGI_LCD_TYPE_MONO | LOGI_LCD_TYPE_COLOR) have 3 as result 15:40:13 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: so what does the enum look like? 15:40:35 <Wolf01> public enum LCDType : int 15:40:35 <Wolf01> { 15:40:35 <Wolf01> TYPE_MONO = (0x00000001), 15:40:35 <Wolf01> TYPE_COLOR = (0x00000002) 15:40:35 <Wolf01> } 15:41:22 <Wolf01> but bow I tried again with constants and it doesn't work too 15:41:35 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't understand why you would do that, though 15:42:25 <Wolf01> for parameters types 15:43:41 <Wolf01> I have a wrapper for the headers I got with the docs, it's not a problem with the wrappers because it doesn't work with their headers too 15:44:47 <drac_boy> oh and sim-a12 while we're onto certain locomotives heres one more for you from uk http://www.davidheyscollection.com/userimages/0001-dh-collection-fell.jpg apparently it had four engines but somehow part of its weight fell over the ends instead of over drivers to start with 15:45:12 <sim-al2> There found it: http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Action8#GRFID 15:45:24 <drac_boy> funny enough it was just 2000hp which the then-soon deltic easily beat it at 15:46:13 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: then your problem is somewhere else 15:48:36 <sim-al2> drac_boy: That was one of the early attempts at a high power diesel mechanical (as opposed to diesel-hydrauic common in Germany and exports or diesel-electric in much of the world) 15:51:12 <sim-al2> Actually quite a strange system overall, there were two engines used soley to provide compressed air to the traction engines, as the tranmission design is entirely unlike anything else I know of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_10100 15:51:50 <drac_boy> and not strange but rather just unique would be this "huge" monster which was during the era of builders doing specialized-task locomotives (before the one-do-everything idea caught on with eg GP7) https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4057/4714781522_3eb7acfecd_b.jpg 15:52:08 <drac_boy> that was basically a yard goat with two huge engines in both ends... as yardmasters would say "anything except the kitchen sink" 15:52:30 <drac_boy> gearing was rather low for that reason (anyone want shove 110 wagons at 30mph?) 15:53:25 *** _johannes [~johannes@port-92-203-177-204.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 15:53:41 <Wolf01> I'll try to update the sdk 15:54:11 <Wolf01> meh, already the latest version 15:54:44 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 15:54:47 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 15:56:06 <drac_boy> btw I kinda liked the uk diesel-hydraulics, too bad that as I recall politics basically was summed up as "stop anything that is not related to diesel-electric!" I think :-/ 15:56:19 <drac_boy> (that including steam or turbines too) 15:56:43 <sim-al2> drac_boy: There were a small number of transfer locomotives like that, but for the more part they have been replaced with either low HP versions of mainline locomotives or former mainline locomotives with "slugs", esentially otherwise non-powered former locomotives that can draw power for their traction motors at low sppeds 15:57:31 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: what do they call these types of bugs, where it works, but as soon as someone spots it, it becomes clear that it never could have worked in the first place? 15:57:49 <drac_boy> funny enough for some reason it was only certain diesel-hydraulic that had the interesting "little" nose bumps (instead of a fullsize hood like on the deltic or flat cab end as per anything else) 15:58:08 <drac_boy> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/fc/eb/0a/fceb0ada66a5c541e8f9afd64cb0f78b.jpg see what I mean about that little nose on it? :) 15:58:42 <sim-al2> Was the end of the tranmission there underneath the cab? 15:58:42 <Eddi|zuHause> drac_boy: no i don't. 15:59:07 <drac_boy> sim-a12 no I think the transmission was under the floor 16:00:01 <drac_boy> also one thing (which I'm still always curious about for some reason) was that the uk diesel-hydraulic seem to have inside bearing while everything else had outside ones instead (no outside frame in another word) 16:00:45 <Wolf01> Eddi|zuHause, it's funny because I never used the check for both panels, only for the MONO panel to throw exceptions if one tries to call functions explicit for the COLOR panel (all the others check internally the panel type and call the right function of the library) 16:00:50 <sim-al2> The export locomotives that Krauss-Maffei built for the SP, D&RG, and EFVM had a rather tight positioning of the cab just above the forward transmission 16:00:50 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: so did you run the initialization correctly before calling the connected function? 16:01:14 <Wolf01> yes, it's a 4 lines code, I doubt to do something wrong :P 16:01:31 <Eddi|zuHause> you can do loads of things wrong in 4 lines :p 16:01:38 <Ketsuban> <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: what do they call these types of bugs, where it works, but as soon as someone spots it, it becomes clear that it never could have worked in the first place? <- Schrödinbug? 16:01:45 <Wolf01> ahah 16:02:26 <drac_boy> sim-a12 well yeah the ML4000 did have a rather thick looking chassis when sitting next to any usa diesels 16:02:39 <drac_boy> probably was to do with the hydraulic components 16:04:20 <drac_boy> at least re bearings it wasn't anything unique, even the V200 had inside ones too just to start with http://41.media.tumblr.com/c6b26e0439ab8ffb964811a19e5e0a0b/tumblr_mso6shtZXc1r1ducho1_1280.jpg 16:05:52 <sim-al2> drac_boy: I suppose the British locomotives had the same bogie design as the V200 16:05:58 <drac_boy> oh and sim-a12 do you know that there is still one surviving ML4000 only because it was drivetrain-decoupled and had its nose butchered a bit aka turned into a genset-ready camera "wagon"? last I heard about it a few months ago the restoration group are looking to turn it back into a fully working locomotive again 16:06:22 <drac_boy> SP scrapped all other ML4000's as they had no purposes left tho..or something to that effect 16:07:02 <sim-al2> Yeah, they've been working on restoring in for the past few years, since it was in somewhat poor condition after not running for many years 16:10:07 <drac_boy> sim-a12 btw about transfers .. I know that not too long time ago some railroads when they had a bunch of GP's they didn't need on the mainline anymore thanks to newer cowl hood SD units...they just simply stripped the charger off them and sometimes change gear to keep them as low-maintenance switchers (still stronger than even a SW1500 in some cases) 16:11:31 <drac_boy> and CSX still apparently loves their old and new slug units .. even the few that are basically just engine-gutted locomotives (nothing like watching a train with 3 locomotives and only two of them are making smoke) 16:13:11 <peter1138> is that a thing? 16:13:17 <drac_boy> heres one slight older example http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/pictures/40658/05%20IMG_3958%20slug%20and%20mother.JPG 16:13:30 <drac_boy> usually easy to spot due to lack of radiators from no engine 16:14:30 <Eddi|zuHause> i swear half the words you say make no sense whatsoever 16:17:41 *** zeknurn` [~sup@hd9483bd7.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 16:17:55 <drac_boy> and sim-a12 if you don't mind another csx photo this one was taken nov 2012. thats a GP40-2 slug as the third locomotive http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8247/8496845324_2831b4aa6c.jpg 16:19:10 <sim-al2> I think that's the wrong picture, that's not even an EMD 16:20:07 *** srhnsn [~srhnsn@p2003006A6C297E00CC201FA482BAF7C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:21:11 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483bd7.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:21:11 *** zeknurn` is now known as zeknurn 16:23:45 <Wolf01> let see if the customer support answers me, I hate the forums because noone always reply on these questions :| 16:25:02 <drac_boy> I still kinda like the cow&calf pair that came from the emd switchers tho. but can see why they eventually died away 16:25:21 <drac_boy> (doesn't help that one railroad actually ordered two example of double-calfs) 16:26:13 <drac_boy> oh, right it was chessie. was easy to find a photo of it anyway http://kingstonemodelworks.com/MRH/tr3.jpg 16:35:54 <drac_boy> either way sim-a12 have fun with whatever else you were doing before me came ... I'm going off for a bit of lunch and many other misc things 16:36:00 *** drac_boy [~oftc-webi@modemcable027.125-163-184.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [] 16:44:36 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, maybe he has everyone else on ignore :p 16:48:59 <sim-al2> peter1138, what were you asking about? 16:49:12 <peter1138> i have no idea 16:49:38 <sim-al2> Oh lo 16:49:41 <sim-al2> *lol 16:59:41 *** sim-al2 is now known as Guest4094 16:59:43 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-175.cbu.edu] has joined #openttd 17:01:27 *** Guest4094 [~sim-al2@dns25-175.cbu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:04:05 <Wolf01> ah! 17:04:07 <Wolf01> they replied 17:04:08 <Wolf01> I am not sure what the documentation states, but I understand why your code it's not working. 17:04:09 <Wolf01> If you only have a MONO LCD (G510) your call to LogiLcdIsConnected(LOGI_LCD_TYPE_COLOR | LOGI_LCD_TYPE_MONO) will fail, because you are asking the SDK if there is both a COLOR and a MONO devices connected. The answer is False, since you only have a mono lcd. 17:04:09 <Wolf01> Don't get confused by the bitwise operator | , that's just creating a bit mask to pass as parameter to the function. 17:04:53 <Wolf01> as far as I understand, LogiLcdIsConnected(LOGI_LCD_TYPE_COLOR | LOGI_LCD_TYPE_MONO) works only if I have 2 keyboards connected 17:05:14 <Wolf01> (did they use AND instead of OR?) 17:05:57 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19A4D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:08:52 <Alberth> return ((real & mask) == mask; instead of ((real & mask) != 0; ? :) 17:09:03 <Wolf01> maybe 17:09:09 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: AND will be nonsense... 17:10:45 *** Sirenia [~sirenia@454028b1.test.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:11:33 *** Sirenia [~sirenia@454028b1.test.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:14:08 *** Sirenia [~sirenia@454028b1.test.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 17:16:08 <Wolf01> so, if I have both keyboards connected, LogiLcdIsConnected(LOGI_LCD_TYPE_MONO) should fail? 17:16:20 <Wolf01> because LogiLcdIsConnected(LOGI_LCD_TYPE_COLOR | LOGI_LCD_TYPE_MONO) must work then 17:17:05 *** Sirenia [~sirenia@454028b1.test.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:17:35 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@89.136.141.100] has joined #openttd 17:18:30 *** Sirenia [~sirenia@454028b1.test.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 17:24:12 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD529C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:27:51 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD529C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:38:08 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6B6D4.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:39:03 *** Pici [~pici@nullcortex.com] has joined #openttd 17:43:05 *** Sirenia [~sirenia@454028b1.test.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:54:57 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:55:00 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:59:11 <Wolf01> ok, at least they admitted the docs are not really clear 17:59:59 <Eddi|zuHause> so... i was wondering why after a restart my computer seemed to be louder, then i realized i only started fancontrol, but did not set the hard disks to spin down 18:01:10 <Wolf01> use ssds, you don't have to worry about the noise 18:01:55 <Wolf01> http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a57187G_460s.jpg ahah! and I still look at the connector when I need to charge my smartphone... 18:02:13 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: not having the money for a 6TB SSD right now :p 18:03:05 <Wolf01> switch to cloud? 18:03:58 <Alberth> throw a few TB away? :) 18:04:24 <Wolf01> just redownload the things when you need them 18:05:00 <Wolf01> I suppose that at least 5 of those 6 TB are movies and music 18:05:03 <Wolf01> ;) 18:06:36 <Eddi|zuHause> not all things can be downloaded :p 18:06:52 <Wolf01> eh, weird pr0n XD 18:07:17 <Eddi|zuHause> that can ONLY be downloaded :p 18:07:58 <Wolf01> "you wouldn't download a car"... 18:08:13 <Wolf01> (EA has different opinion) 18:08:13 <Eddi|zuHause> sure i would. 18:08:44 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-175.cbu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:08:47 <Wolf01> I would too, just because it is possible 18:10:04 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-175.cbu.edu] has joined #openttd 18:12:45 <Wolf01> ok, I don't want to continue developing today... I made most of the things work and I'm happy with it 18:14:01 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 18:28:23 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:36:17 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:37:07 *** lobster [~mccrabbym@145.131.157.180] has joined #openttd 18:37:53 <andythenorth> o/ 18:38:56 <Wolf01> o/ 18:45:22 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~farci@i59F6CD20.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:52:13 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6B6D4.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:00:29 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 19:14:17 *** rah [rah@verain.settrans.net] has joined #openttd 19:14:37 <rah> I get this error when generating a map: "A fatal NewGRF error has occurred: UKRS2 must be loaded before this grf" 19:14:52 <rah> I've fiddled with the NewGRF order but I can't seem to make it go away 19:15:21 <andythenorth> UKRS 2 addons? 19:15:36 <rah> right yes, I just realised :-) 19:15:54 <rah> PEBKAC, nm :-) 19:19:44 <Eddi|zuHause> the error window could tell you which GRF threw it 19:20:48 *** gelignite [~gelignite@f049230122.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:26:38 *** Clockworker [Clockworke@187-4-5-48.paemt702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #openttd 19:31:08 *** Clockworker__ [Clockworke@177.2.176.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:41:50 *** frosch123 [~frosch@x5f747a9f.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 19:46:51 <Wolf01> quak 19:47:14 <frosch123> hoin 19:48:22 <Eddi|zuHause> which animal makes "hoin"? 19:49:24 <frosch123> i just noticed if you spell animal the old hebrew way, you get nml 19:49:46 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: thanks for that :) 19:50:36 <Eddi|zuHause> sure, that's what i wanted :p 19:51:07 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-175.cbu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:54:51 <Wolf01> andythenorth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3jPRLu-5TI a bit old but yt just suggested it to me, but lot of things are really interesting 19:58:23 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED07F22.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:01:41 * andythenorth watches 20:09:50 <Wolf01> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqbDgc5lTtg also... it has even drum brakes in all the wheels O_O 20:14:09 <andythenorth> air brakes? 20:14:48 <andythenorth> has he got a clutch in there too? 20:14:58 <andythenorth> or is that some sequential gearbox magix? 20:15:09 <Wolf01> I think the second one 20:15:13 * andythenorth zones out about gearboxes and such, Iâve built manual and RC vehicles with gearboxes 20:15:15 <andythenorth> theyâre boring 20:15:52 <andythenorth> ha those are unimog tyres, I thought they were 62.5 at first 20:19:01 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED07F22.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:20:04 <Wolf01> that guy is awesome, I can't even think about what he can do 20:21:00 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~farci@i59F6CD20.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:21:08 <andythenorth> he must have time :) 20:22:04 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6CD20.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:26:41 <Wolf01> but the most impressive things I've seen are these (not lego): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1429gs5dQno (check the other videos too), He's a friend of my ex-coworker and another lego fan... he built everything by himself, no kits 20:27:19 <andythenorth> ha 20:27:25 <andythenorth> nicely inlaid to the patio 20:27:33 <andythenorth> I am *not* showing that to my kids 20:27:39 <Wolf01> :D 20:30:42 <Wolf01> I've seen his Komatsu excavator, on screen it looks like a kit you purchase, but if you couls see it on real you notice it's even better, really close to the original one, and every piece was made by him (ok, motors, pumps and the electronics were purchased) 20:31:35 * andythenorth has been considering making real stuff 20:31:39 <andythenorth> not lego stuff or pixels 20:31:45 <andythenorth> probably too much faff 20:32:27 <andythenorth> I got a bunch of childhood trains out of my parents loft 20:32:37 <andythenorth> intending to sell them on ebay or give them to my kids 20:32:58 <andythenorth> I found some where I had been scratch-building from styrene sheet 20:33:08 <andythenorth> mostly junk, but the newest ones werenât bad 20:34:32 <andythenorth> but no undo, no autosave, no version control 20:35:18 <Wolf01> I tried to do something non lego, but I don't put much effort to finish the thing, even the anime mechas I have aren't painted 20:36:14 <andythenorth> yeah 20:36:28 <andythenorth> with Lego, even a failed MOC is just parts for the next thing 20:36:55 *** mescalito [~mescalito@251-183-191-90.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: mescalito] 20:39:39 *** mescalito [~mescalito@251-183-191-90.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 20:40:05 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 20:44:09 *** _johannes [~johannes@port-92-203-177-204.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:44:38 <Wolf01> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBIbMWq1ktI O_O 20:47:26 *** srhnsn [~srhnsn@p2003006A6C297E00CC201FA482BAF7C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:48:28 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 20:54:18 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-148-51-74.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:01:38 * andythenorth must to sprites? 21:01:55 <Wolf01> yes, time runs 21:07:07 *** supermop [~supermop@pool-108-6-12-46.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 21:12:07 <andythenorth> meh 21:12:17 <andythenorth> so tempting to make the basic economies bigger 21:12:19 <andythenorth> not the point, eh? 21:12:55 <Wolf01> no, it's basic, what's the point to make it bigger? 21:14:04 *** roidal_ [~roland@193-154-141-73.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.4] 21:14:10 <andythenorth> yeah 21:14:21 <andythenorth> on the plus side, I was going to redraw the pyrite mine 21:14:27 <andythenorth> but all the pictures of real ones 21:14:30 <andythenorth> look like my sprites 21:19:20 <frosch123> can we automate the creation of the pictures on the industries page? 21:24:11 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 21:25:03 <frosch123> also, i have a feature request 21:25:20 <frosch123> have you played ecs? 21:25:43 <frosch123> when enabling transparency, some industries/houses show special sprites 21:26:11 <frosch123> which makes industries easily noticeable when enabling transparency 21:27:09 <frosch123> currently the town based industries like general store, grocers, hardware store, hotel, ... are quite hard to find 21:27:16 <frosch123> they would benefit from the transparency trick 21:29:09 <Wolf01> I have faeture request too: a good looking, easy to use, widely compatible grf set 21:31:26 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: too many undefined words in there 21:31:31 <frosch123> "easy to use" is too subjective 21:31:55 <Wolf01> not too many parameters ;) 21:32:08 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: the only words in there that have a clear definition are "a", "to" and "grf" 21:32:14 <Wolf01> ahah 21:32:34 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@50-37-85-136.mscw.id.frontiernet.net] has joined #openttd 21:33:35 <andythenorth> frosch123: iirc, itâs implemented in ecs / ttrs as a black ground tile with an icon on it? 21:34:00 <frosch123> yes 21:34:05 <frosch123> something like that 21:34:07 <andythenorth> yeah, itâs desirable 21:34:11 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: doesn't have to be black, but the icon might be useful 21:34:15 <andythenorth> I wonât get to it for v2 21:34:18 <frosch123> doesn't need to be completely black 21:34:20 <andythenorth> we should just automate that :P 21:34:31 <andythenorth> we have cargo icons, no? 21:34:42 <Eddi|zuHause> those are likely too small 21:35:00 <andythenorth> I have long wanted some way to see cargo production / acceptance on minimap or map 21:35:10 <andythenorth> industry chain view is close, but not quite 21:35:29 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: that has nothing to do with the suggestion at hand, though 21:35:38 <andythenorth> well, if we automate it 21:35:43 <andythenorth> I donât have to draw anything :P 21:35:48 <andythenorth> so I benefit 21:36:15 <andythenorth> I would likely do it with icons 21:36:18 <andythenorth> or is that dumb? 21:37:07 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: doesn't have to be a different icon for each industry. just a "this is an industry" icon 21:37:34 <andythenorth> hmm, ok 21:37:44 <Eddi|zuHause> possibly different icons for primary/secondary/tertiary 21:38:13 <Eddi|zuHause> or mine/farm/factory/office 21:40:40 <andythenorth> itâs a nice easy feature 21:40:59 <andythenorth> in most cases itâs just drawing something on the ground tile, within the footprint of the building 21:41:05 <Eddi|zuHause> if you don't want to draw so much, ask george for his icons 21:41:07 *** mescalito [~mescalito@251-183-191-90.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: mescalito] 21:41:56 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 21:43:10 <frosch123> i like the idea of automating to draw input and output cargo icons on th etiles 21:43:25 <frosch123> but it may be a bit small 21:43:30 <frosch123> to put 5 icons on a single tile 21:43:46 <frosch123> either the 1 tile industries look weird 21:43:51 <frosch123> or the 20 tile industries look weird 21:44:46 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19A4D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:52:29 <Eddi|zuHause> well, train fever has the cargo icons drawn next to the industry, buit i don't think it works very well.. i constantlx think: "well, is this oil or coal now? both are black" 21:53:18 <frosch123> true, is it pyrite or gold 21:55:29 <Eddi|zuHause> a better place for cargo icons would be next to the industry name 21:55:59 <frosch123> industry name? 21:56:05 <Eddi|zuHause> so you have "Factory [steel][grain][livestock]/[goods]" in the title or the minimap legend 21:56:34 <frosch123> in the title it is pointless, the window already says the cargos 21:56:41 <frosch123> the smallmap is already way too crowded 21:56:52 <Eddi|zuHause> the industry list? 21:56:54 <frosch123> industries use small font, and the legend is still huge 21:57:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know whether that already uses them 21:57:17 <andythenorth> I would have stacked icons vertically, in two stacks 21:57:20 <frosch123> i think someone suggested filters for the industry list 21:57:38 <andythenorth> perhaps with up and down arrows 21:57:45 <andythenorth> or cargo names, not icons 21:57:53 <andythenorth> more adjustable per font size etc 21:58:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think you can fit icons on the actual minimap 21:58:17 <andythenorth> overlaid on main map 21:58:24 <andythenorth> once per industry 21:58:39 <Eddi|zuHause> what would be the use for that? 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