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Log for #openttd on 6th April 2016:
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00:00:38  <Samu> I count 36 messages of "advertising to master server" after the desync
00:01:06  <Samu> right now
00:10:51  <Samu> https://bugs.openttd.org/task/6440
00:10:54  <Samu> there it is
00:20:18  <Samu> recv failed with error 10054
00:20:24  <Samu> on server 8
00:20:29  <Samu> what is this
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00:36:16  <glx> recv failed is a network error
01:03:29  <Samu> server 1 is getting too slow
01:03:54  <Samu> there's about 12000 total vehicles in it
01:04:13  <Samu> roadrunner is bad at dealing with truck jams
01:05:18  <Samu> it's commiting suicide, they will all bankrupt. the ais are trying to add more trucks because of waiting cargo in the stations, but this creates more jam
01:05:48  <Samu> more jams, more waiting cargo, more trucks - repeat cycle, until bankrupt
01:09:41  <Samu> keks - http://i.imgur.com/TqSCU6U.png
01:09:51  <Samu> can't even zoom out
01:10:12  <Samu> performance goes to hell
01:16:15  <Samu> cyas goognight
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06:59:05  <andythenorth> o/
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09:01:46  <Wolf01> o/
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11:04:06  <Samu> hi
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11:06:05  <Samu> is this feature in place? - drag a savegame file and drop it on openttd.exe to have it launch openttd and load that savegame?
11:06:13  <Samu> it would be awesome
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12:25:17  <argoneus> good morning train friends
12:25:43  <V453000> noep
12:26:03  <argoneus> yes
12:31:28  <Samu> hey
12:31:48  <Samu> are savegames compressed with lzma? lzma2? other?
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12:33:55  <Samu> i found it
12:33:59  <Samu> LZMA2:21 CRC-32
12:40:38  <Samu> so, from my testings, savegames can be compressed even further
12:40:57  <Samu> still using lzma2
12:44:03  <Samu> i picked a 119.000 bytes .sav file, uncompressed it to 1.956.990 bytes, then compressed it to 103.918 bytes
12:44:16  <Samu> and still using lzma2 method
12:45:10  <Samu> oh wait, no... method was lzma, not lzma2 :(
12:45:58  <Wolf01> what's your goal?
12:46:11  <Wolf01> (just because I'm curious)
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12:48:09  <MagiCrazy> o/
12:48:13  <MagiCrazy> hi guys !
12:48:32  <MagiCrazy> I'm trying to compile openttd on Alpine/ARM
12:48:40  <MagiCrazy> for a dedicated light server
12:49:02  <MagiCrazy> The compilation runs well
12:49:33  <MagiCrazy> but I get an error about zlib when it's trying to link openttd
12:49:49  <MagiCrazy> I can see there's a workaround for PSP in the Makefile
12:50:18  <Wolf01> I usually disable zlib on windows too, I had the same errors
12:50:21  <MagiCrazy> I wonder if it's the same, the explanation in comments is not that clear
12:50:38  <MagiCrazy> hi Wolf01
12:51:02  <MagiCrazy> disabling on Windows makes sense... but on linux...
12:51:37  <Wolf01> eh, the libraries for the target platforms are available?
12:51:44  <MagiCrazy> yep
12:52:07  <Wolf01> then I have no clue
12:52:21  <MagiCrazy> oh, I was running another test while talking, it seems I found a way !
12:53:16  <MagiCrazy> in the Makefile.src.in file, I added "-lz" to the linking command
12:53:43  <MagiCrazy> $(Q)+$(CXX_HOST) $(LDFLAGS) $(OBJS) $(LIBS) -o $@
12:53:46  <MagiCrazy> becomes
12:53:47  <MagiCrazy> $(Q)+$(CXX_HOST) -lz $(LDFLAGS) $(OBJS) $(LIBS) -o $@
12:53:56  <MagiCrazy> line 273
12:54:05  <Wolf01> hmmm, where's andy when you need him? @work I suppose
12:54:10  <MagiCrazy> would it be a good idea to propose the workaround ?
12:54:19  <MagiCrazy> in a less crappy way ;)
12:57:52  <MagiCrazy> HO YEAH, work !
12:58:23  <MagiCrazy> I'll stay here until day end, in case someone wants to talk to me ;)
12:59:11  <Samu> im still running the whole lzma2 batches to find out the optimal parameters for strongest compression
12:59:52  <Samu> but it looks like lzma will win
12:59:56  <Samu> not lzma2
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13:03:37  <Samu> ew... this is gonna take the whole day
13:03:59  <Samu> running through all lzma parameter combinations
13:04:03  <Samu> lzma2*
13:08:43  <MagiCrazy> what do you want to compress ?
13:09:17  <Samu> openttd savegames
13:09:27  <MagiCrazy> About my issue, I don't get it. I'm trying to run again the build, as I want to automate it, but I can see that configure adds "-lz" in LDFLAGS...
13:09:50  <Samu> currently, an uncompressed .sav
13:09:53  <MagiCrazy> Samu: they're that massive?
13:10:44  <Samu> .sav files are compressed with lzma2:method21
13:10:56  <Samu> I'm now trying to figure out a stronger method
13:11:41  <Samu> but i dont know if devs would change any lzma2 parameters for compressing savegames
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13:16:26  <Wolf01> Samu, I suppose you know that stronger methods may require more cpu/ram or even time, so think about that, and if you only save 15KB I think it's too much work for to little benefit
13:17:20  <Samu> what is the max allowed dictionary size you guys have?
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13:18:32  <MagiCrazy> Samu: where can I find this information ?
13:18:43  <Wolf01> 1024MB
13:18:51  <Wolf01> LZMA2
13:18:58  <Wolf01> with 7zip
13:19:09  <MagiCrazy> don't have
13:19:16  <MagiCrazy> I'm on Arch
13:19:36  <MagiCrazy> preset -9 : 64 MB
13:19:36  <Samu> i dont mean your rig, i mean openttd, the 32 bits openttd
13:19:45  <MagiCrazy> ow
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13:20:02  <MagiCrazy> I'm at work, so it's not installed... sorry
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13:20:35  <Wolf01> and where I'm supposed to check that?
13:20:53  <Samu> when openttd saves a game, it specifies a maximum dictionary size for lzma2
13:21:09  <Samu> so as to limit amount of ram use
13:21:24  <Samu> I really have no idea either
13:42:45  <Wolf01> bah, "start developing with XYZ", the first thing I expect from a tutorial is which namespaces I need to import as it can't import them automagically and give meaningful names too
13:47:18  <Samu> a few things are becoming common from these testings
13:47:34  <Samu> multithreaded compression yields less compression
13:47:53  <Samu> word size of 273 yields best compression
13:48:40  <Samu> but it's also the slowest at compressing, of all word sizes options available
13:49:22  <Samu> block size doesn't seem to matter, it's only compressing 1 single file
13:54:41  <Samu> oh, block size it actually matters when the dictionary size is too small
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14:21:42  <supermop> yo
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14:41:31  <Samu> just found out the compression openttd uses is preset -2, this is the default lzma
14:41:40  <Samu> 0 would be fastest, 9 would be slowest
14:41:50  <Samu> ottd uses default, and default is 2
14:46:25  <Samu> default method of preset 2 is lzma2
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15:28:46  <Compu> so why doesnt openttd have waterway tunnels?
15:31:38  <MagiCrazy> it seems like a controversial topic =)
15:31:44  <Samu> I see devs have already fiddled with lzma filters and came up with preset 2
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15:32:51  <Compu> er
15:32:59  <Compu> i think the correct term is canal tunnels
15:33:06  <Compu> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canal_tunnel
15:33:07  <Alberth> chunnels
15:33:11  <Compu> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standedge_Tunnels
15:33:44  <Compu> just saying, those exist, and would make getting boats into cities a bit easier
15:35:16  <Alberth> they'd glitch like hell
15:35:31  <Compu> they shouldnt any more than road tunnels should they?
15:36:30  <Alberth> ever compared size of ship with size of truck?
15:36:39  <Alberth> in pixels, that is
15:36:57  <Compu> no >.>
15:37:08  <Compu> oh u mean graphical glitches?
15:37:17  <Alberth> yep
15:37:23  <Compu> as in the ship having part of it out of the tunnel?
15:37:35  <Compu> dont the ships do that with canals anyways?
15:37:41  <Compu> like when they turn
15:37:47  <Alberth> or next to the tunnel even
15:38:11  <Alberth> depending on how much raised land there is just next to it
15:38:21  <Compu> i dont think people come to openttd for the graphics >.>
15:41:55  <Samu> i just found out that saving games is not multithreaded :8
15:42:32  <Samu> saving a 4096x4096 game and only using 12~13% of a 8-core cpu
15:44:13  <Alberth> it is multi-threaded!
15:44:27  <Samu> it wasn't
15:44:36  <Alberth> map is copied, and playing continues, while a different thread saves the data to disk
15:44:49  <Samu> ah, i mean the task of compressing
15:45:34  <Samu> game was paused
15:45:39  <Alberth> don't call it "save" then :p
15:45:59  <Alberth> yes, copy must be done without making any change to the map
15:46:12  <Alberth> and at such sizes, you will notice a delay
15:47:28  <Alberth> throwing more cpus at it won't help you much, I think, as you're mostly blocked, waiting for main memory
15:47:37  <Samu> erm, I paused the game, then saved and watched cpu usage
15:49:01  <Compu> could get faster RAM
15:49:05  <Compu> that might help
15:49:23  <Alberth> nah, CPUs are several 100s times faster
15:49:28  <Compu> i mean
15:49:39  <Compu> the faster RAM can handle faster data transfer
15:49:49  <Compu> which means the copy should go faster
15:49:55  <Alberth> yes, but still, CPUs are 100s times faster
15:50:09  <Compu> yes but the copy is do FROM ram
15:50:18  <Compu> done*
15:50:26  <Alberth> and TO ram too
15:50:30  <Compu> so the RAM speed is the bottleneck here
15:50:42  <Alberth> but CPUs are 100s times faster
15:50:56  <Compu> yeah stop repeating that
15:50:59  <Alberth> double the memory speed, and you gain less than 1%
15:51:04  <Alberth> in cpu time
15:51:09  <Samu> lol compu, it was only using 1 core for compressing the save
15:51:10  <Compu> u do know the definition of bottleneck, right>
15:51:19  <Samu> i got 8, it could use all them
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15:51:42  <Samu> it would be at best 8 times faster
15:51:43  <Compu> Samu: do u really need it to tho?
15:51:45  <Alberth> sure, but with an order of magnitude difference, faster memory makes no difference
15:52:08  <Compu> it depends on whats needed
15:52:41  <Compu> for most things unless ur using the main RAM as graphics RAM too the RAM speed doesnt matter
15:53:01  <Compu> because most things wont benefit from the RAM being able to transfer data quicker
15:53:10  <Compu> but ur saying its copying from ram and back to ram
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15:53:27  <Compu> that is one of the rare cases where faster ram would make a difference
15:54:31  <Compu> the RAM speed is the bottleneck there
15:56:02  <Alberth> using a 2048x4096 map goes much faster in speed up
15:56:11  <Alberth> 1/2 the data -> 200% gain
15:56:22  <Alberth> or rather 100% gain
15:56:27  <Compu> thats true as well
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15:57:04  <Compu> Alberth: 200% the speed
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16:00:05  <Wolf01> we should save in the CPU, maybe one day CPUs will come with 16GB cache, so no more RAM required
16:02:13  <Wolf01> mmmmh, I'm stuck again with this adaptive layout :|
16:02:19  <frosch123> just copy the stuff to /dev/null
16:02:22  <Wolf01> quak
16:02:24  <frosch123> it's quite fast and big
16:02:34  <supermop> Wolf01: by that time people will be playing 17GB maps
16:02:37  <Compu> by the time CPUs have 16 GB caches we'll have 4 TB RAM size as basic minimum
16:02:49  <Wolf01> eh, but you have to copy from ram first, which is the bottleneck as we stated
16:02:53  <Compu> and 10 petabyte SSDs
16:03:54  <Compu> we have, what 16 MB caches now?
16:04:15  <Wolf01> sort of, yes
16:04:21  <Compu> back in the DOS days u could run DOS and games and even windows 3.11 with just that amount as RAM
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16:04:37  <Wolf01> even 2MB
16:04:46  <Compu> back then CPUs had 1 KB caches
16:05:03  <Wolf01> my 386 had 8MB of ram, expanded to 16 after some years
16:05:14  <Compu> woo im tycoon of the century on this server
16:05:28  <Compu> coming up on 0,000,000
16:05:43  <Compu> with 5 trains and a boat
16:05:59  <Compu> making ,000,000 each year
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16:06:43  <Wolf01> sometimes when I need to boost I'll borrow the entire amount and purchase one plane, build 2 airports and fast forward 2 years
16:07:42  <Wolf01> then I return the money and start playing :P
16:07:53  <Compu> :P
16:08:17  <Compu> i start with 1 train, pay off my bank loan, and then go from there
16:08:25  <Wolf01> too slow
16:08:31  <Compu> slowly making super complicated tracks :D
16:09:00  <Compu> https://www.dropbox.com/s/9i566zel24glk2o/combined256.png?dl=0 this was 50 years ago in game
16:09:04  <Wolf01> I usually start with ships ^^
16:10:15  <Wolf01> if I find the perfect place, I can have a fleet of ships before the 5th year
16:10:31  <Compu> i've since expanded and everything is maglev now
16:10:50  <Compu> i moved the depots back
16:11:11  <Compu> put to 1 way lines (1 going in and 1 going out) to the depots
16:11:15  <Compu> s/to/2
16:11:43  <Compu> that way the trains going into the depots dont slow down trains on the main line so much
16:12:05  <Compu> since the depot speed limit is 38 MPH and i have trains going at 400 MPH
16:15:29  <Wolf01> yes, that's the standard solution, dedicated acceleration/deceleration lanes
16:24:16  <Compu> i also do 1 way lines for the entire route
16:24:20  <Compu> like everywhere
16:24:28  <Compu> everything is 1 way tracks
16:24:45  <Compu> makes things easier to manage
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16:31:22  <Alberth> also standard, as one way track increases through put a lot
16:31:30  <Wolf01> meh, null reference error :|
16:31:56  <Wolf01> *null pointer
16:33:19  <MagiCrazy> haha
16:33:27  <MagiCrazy> thx guys =)
16:33:30  <MagiCrazy> cya !
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16:34:16  <Wolf01> I have a great desire to define 11 breakpoints, one for each screen size instead of just 3 for different devices :|
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16:35:08  <Wolf01> and I'm lucky there isn't andy here because he would have slapped the shit out of me
16:43:00  <Alberth> just let everything call a  void silly_function() {}  :p
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17:45:45  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27535 trunk/src/lang/norwegian_bokmal.txt (2016-04-06 19:45:35 +0200 )
17:45:46  <DorpsGek> -Update from Eints:
17:45:47  <DorpsGek> norwegian (bokmal): 16 changes by Leifbk
17:48:27  <Samu> ok, so...
17:48:49  <Samu> 2^21 = 2 MB dictionary size
17:49:14  <Samu> openttd saves with a dictionary size of 2 MB
17:50:35  <Samu> but it's only using lzma2 in single-thread
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17:54:50  <Samu> options->nice_len = level <= 1 ? 128 : 273;
17:55:19  <Samu> level in the case of openttd is = 2
17:55:48  <Samu> nice_len = 2 <= 1 ? 128 : 273 - what the hell is the result?
17:56:09  <glx> the result is nice_len = 273
17:56:32  <Samu> really? that's weird
17:56:55  <glx> it's just the ?: operator
17:57:08  <glx> test ? true : false
17:57:28  <Samu> preset 2 using a word size of 273? 273 is slow, i must be looking at this wrong
18:00:34  <Samu> it should be 32, according to 7-zip
18:00:39  <Samu> not 273
18:00:53  <Samu> but 7-zip is a different program
18:09:29  <Samu> http://gsp.com/cgi-bin/man.cgi?topic=lzma#3 - scrolling down to the table
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18:21:59  <Samu> what is the liblzma version you use on openttd?
18:23:01  <Samu> version 5.2.0 supports multithreaded, though not recomended for production use, whatever that means
18:23:32  <Wolf01> that means you should not use it on ottd
18:23:50  <Samu> :)
18:24:17  <Samu> 5.2.0 and up
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18:25:56  <Samu> liblzma 5.2.1
18:26:02  <Samu> so openttd uses 5.2.1
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18:26:32  <Samu> 5.2.2 is the latest version
18:26:50  <Samu> that means.... cool stuff
18:27:09  <Wolf01> bah, I don't get how to work with this stuff, it throws errors everywhere or it just doesn't work
18:28:14  <Samu> a crash report however reports LZMA:       5.0.4
18:28:32  <Samu> which one is correct?
18:28:36  <Samu> 5.2.1 or 5.0.4?
18:35:12  <Alberth> just what is available at build time, probably
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19:00:42  <Samu> extern LZMA_API(uint32_t) lzma_cputhreads(void) lzma_nothrow;
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19:11:21  <andythenorth> o/
19:17:02  <Alberth> o/
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19:34:07  <supermop> yo andythenorth
19:35:20  <andythenorth> hi
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19:39:34  <Wolf01> o/
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20:09:15  <Alberth> good night
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20:21:42  <Samu> released a patch: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=74694 - I'd like to hear some suggestions on it.
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22:50:03  <drac_boy> hi
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23:04:26  <drac_boy> quat...roking? heh?
23:04:58  <sim-al2> wat
23:07:43  <drac_boy> dunno what kind of nick that is
23:08:02  <drac_boy> but either way how're you? and do you have snow too?? weird that its like winter all over again here :-|
23:08:19  <sim-al2> I'm good, and lol no, 70 degrees and thunderstorms
23:08:38  <sim-al2> Crazy crazy lighting earlier, but now it's sunny again...
23:08:42  <Wolf01> quatro king maybe... but we used to misread it as quack rotting
23:09:45  <drac_boy> well its snowing nonstop for more than six hours here .. already causing weird car problems (mainly out of idiotic drivers...nothing new meh)
23:10:02  <drac_boy> and tomorrow will creep to just a little bit over 0C .. which means rain all day long too :-/
23:10:29  <Wolf01> 20°C here
23:12:29  <sim-al2> Well it did drop a bit here, now it's 15°C
23:12:42  <drac_boy> anyway anything new trains-wise?
23:13:44  <sim-al2> Found a fun pair of lines in Tokyo, Tokyu Ikegami Line and Tamagawa Line: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a5/Tokyu_7600_classic.JPG
23:14:49  <sim-al2> The old stock is pretty cool, new type is a bit aestheically questionable: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/T%C5%8Dky%C5%AB_7000_series_%28II%29_EMU_7101f.jpg
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23:18:23  <sim-al2> Short trains, but it connects important transfer stations and provides local transit: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/Tokyu_Electric_Railway_7600-7653.jpg
23:18:30  <drac_boy> heh actually thats something I always never understood privately...why replace easy-to-make smooth metal front with a more complex use-more-materials front that doesn't ahve much purpose outside modifying the paint lines?
23:18:33  <drac_boy> to our own anyway
23:19:32  <sim-al2> New technology makes it cheaper, and that nose is a covering for enhanced crash protection anyway
23:20:38  <drac_boy> cheap != eco .. thats all I can say
23:21:03  <drac_boy> and I've found some photos of rather bad sideswipe crash that hadn't done much damage to the budd rdc's interior
23:21:23  <drac_boy> like I said: to our own thoughts
23:21:52  <Wolf01> 'night
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23:22:41  <drac_boy> come to think about it hi-beam or container wagons have caused a small but sizeable number of injuried engineers on adjacent tracks (incoming swipes at the cab window corner yep, funny how the cargo load more than often misses the entire bleeping nose anyway!)
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23:30:07  <sim-al2> Tokyu has another train design (very very similar except for the exterior btw) with a interesting design: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/Tokyu6000%282%29.jpg
23:30:44  <sim-al2> Well, it is built to a longer length and 4 doors like most other Toyku lines
23:32:50  <drac_boy> http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k162/wheeler1963/CSXT4511LouisvilleKYosbornydFeb1019.jpg not easy to find non-derailed crashes but here you go, look at that perfectly preserved nose!
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