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00:04:03 *** Sacro_ has joined #openttd 00:05:20 *** Sacro has quit IRC 00:05:25 *** TinoDidriksen has quit IRC 00:07:37 *** TinoDidriksen has joined #openttd 00:31:00 *** Arveen has quit IRC 00:57:18 <Eddi|zuHause> uhm, forum backup? i haven't seen this message in ages. also, it looks like it's 5 minutes early 01:25:42 *** Supercheese has joined #openttd 02:06:06 *** LANJesus has quit IRC 02:06:48 *** LANJesus has joined #openttd 02:13:38 <SpComb> it meana that you're up at the wrong time, and should go to sleep 02:13:54 <SpComb> or you live on the wrong continent 02:35:57 <Eddi|zuHause> like you're any better with that :p 02:56:32 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 03:00:29 *** glx has quit IRC 04:14:41 *** imdak has joined #openttd 04:39:12 *** snail_UES_ has quit IRC 04:53:34 *** Supercheese has quit IRC 04:53:51 *** Supercheese has joined #openttd 05:52:12 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 06:50:44 <imdak> Hey. Anyone here has some information on bananas2? 07:02:17 <LordAro> imdak: pretty much all the information is either here https://github.com/frosch123/bananas2 or in frosch's head 07:13:06 *** Arveen has joined #openttd 07:24:18 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 07:27:12 *** ipfs_L90 has joined #openttd 07:55:16 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 07:55:43 <andythenorth> hmm 07:55:59 *** ipfs_L90 has quit IRC 07:56:17 *** ipfs_L90 has joined #openttd 07:57:13 *** ipfs_L90 has left #openttd 07:57:31 <LordAro> mmh 07:57:54 <andythenorth> beans, fruit, salt, tinplate -> cannery -> food 07:57:59 <andythenorth> but only 3 cargos in 07:58:01 <andythenorth> so eh 07:59:15 <andythenorth> probably the salt isn't used in industrial quantities 08:02:27 <andythenorth> 1 cup salt per gallon water in canning 08:02:30 <andythenorth> not relevant 08:02:42 <andythenorth> and if salt is needed, then so is vinegar and/or sugar 08:09:15 *** Supercheese has quit IRC 08:18:56 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 08:22:46 <TrueBrain> lol .. kubernetes does certificate validation on hostname .. dammit :D 08:23:54 <TrueBrain> why did they do their security correctly! :P 08:35:33 <Sacro_> TrueBrain: because otherwise you'd be complaining that it wasn't doing it 08:35:38 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 08:36:44 <TrueBrain> hell yes :D 08:46:46 *** RafiX has joined #openttd 08:48:39 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 08:59:43 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest1613 08:59:43 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 09:05:07 *** Guest1613 has quit IRC 09:12:39 <TrueBrain> YES! CD works :D 09:12:40 <TrueBrain> w00p! 09:12:51 <TrueBrain> when I push, the image rolls over in the kubernetes cluster :D 09:18:30 <andythenorth> super duper! 09:19:31 <TrueBrain> kubernetes is nice :) Removes a whole layer of configuration-interpertation :) 09:19:41 <LordAro> now make it do a flip 09:19:53 <andythenorth> I was always curious what kubernetes does 09:20:08 <andythenorth> twitter just says things like 'I threw it on kubernetes and made m overnight' 09:20:09 <andythenorth> etc 09:20:50 <TrueBrain> to say it disrespectful, kubernetes is a big management layer in front of docker 09:21:24 <Eddi|zuHause> everybody do the flop! 09:21:27 <TrueBrain> a bit less disrespectful, it manages containers 09:21:34 <TrueBrain> (the full life-cycle) 09:21:40 <TrueBrain> which is exactly what you want for a CD 09:21:49 <andyt2018-07-20T15:22:21 <Alberth> oil seems most logical to me 15:25:22 <Eddi|zuHause> "The global demand for acetic acid is [...] manufactured from methanol." 15:25:50 <Eddi|zuHause> doesn't seem much oil involved 15:38:16 <TrueBrain> okay, service-accounts and permissions are awesome in kubernetes :D 15:39:25 <TrueBrain> now all that is left, is a runner that can build dockers ... 15:45:14 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: thanks 15:45:25 <andythenorth> chemical industry is very complex :P 15:45:25 <nielsm> !seen peter1138 15:45:33 <nielsm> no bot? 15:45:59 <andythenorth> @seen peter1138 15:46:00 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: peter1138 was last seen in #openttd 5 hours, 31 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <peter1138> yes ;( 15:46:11 <nielsm> oh different prefix 15:48:29 <nielsm> was wondering if I should open a bug for the "win32 runs slightly slow" issue, and perhaps also the "linux sdl runs slightly fast" one 15:51:10 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: so I have alcohol or grain available for acetic acid production, the destination will be food factories 15:51:16 <andythenorth> recommendation? 15:51:37 <andythenorth> leaning towards alcohol, it makes it a more interesting cargo 15:53:10 <andythenorth> or I add methanol, which seems to come from coke production somehow :P 15:53:17 *** Flygon has quit IRC 16:00:33 *** Stimrol has joined #openttd 16:02:01 <andythenorth> or maybe it comes from gas 16:02:12 * andythenorth finds wikipedia very confusing for chemical industry 16:08:39 *** Stimrol has quit IRC 16:10:40 *** Stimrol has joined #openttd 16:30:10 <Eddi|zuHause> alcohol seems fine 16:31:09 <andythenorth> I tried adding LPG as a chemical feedstock 16:31:23 *** synchris has quit IRC 16:31:24 <andythenorth> but it's very unclear how LPG would differ from existing 'petroleum fuel' cargo 16:38:17 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 16:38:22 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 16:41:59 <Eddi|zuHause> water treatment plant [primary industry, takes some chemicals as booster] -> waste products -> biofuel refinery -> fuel? 16:52:53 <andythenorth> o_O 16:53:03 <andythenorth> wondered about water treatment 16:53:13 <andythenorth> chlorine is an obvious input 16:53:28 <andythenorth> this is brown water treatment? 16:53:36 <andythenorth> so the output is methane? 16:53:38 <andythenorth> sludge? 16:54:51 <peter1138> nielsm, yeah might as well. iirc use the hrtimer works fine. 16:58:32 *** Progman has joined #openttd 16:58:33 <nielsm> peter1138: I saw you have a branch where you experiment with doing some catchup of "missed" ticks, does that work properly or just break in weird ways? 16:58:44 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i was thinking sludge, and the refinery extracts the methane from that 16:58:56 <peter1138> nielsm, it works afaik 16:59:01 <Eddi|zuHause> and maybe building material :p 16:59:18 <Eddi|zuHause> more likely fertilizer 16:59:19 <peter1138> nielsm, maybe something was incomplete, i don't remember. 16:59:27 <peter1138> "i have a patch/branch for that" ;( 16:59:34 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 16:59:35 <peter1138> been cycling too much, i guess 17:14:26 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 17:14:56 *** rocky113844 has joined #openttd 17:34:26 <peter1138> nielsm, hmm, I wonder if that patch also fixes the too-fast case 17:37:22 <swedneck[m]> how do i get sound sets? 17:37:29 <nielsm> I think your patch would make everything stick to slightly-too-fast 17:37:36 <nielsm> (without having tested) 17:48:38 <peter1138> swedneck[m], "online content" in game 17:49:37 <swedneck[m]> thanks 17:49:56 <swedneck[m]> why doesn't it just come with default ones? 17:50:17 <peter1138> becuase you can download it easily from online content in game ;) 17:50:55 <peter1138> historically, all graphics, sound and music came from the original TTD data files which you had to install separately, obviously. 17:52:28 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 17:52:39 <peter1138> And he returns. 17:53:57 <andythenorth> had to cycle 17:54:00 <andythenorth> quite hot in jeans 17:54:12 <andythenorth> was trying to beat the rain 17:54:15 <peter1138> Who even cycles in jeans? :S 17:54:29 <LordAro> oh dear 17:54:39 <andythenorth> I had shorts in my bag 17:54:48 <andythenorth> but then it looked like rain, so I just pegged it home 17:55:27 <peter1138> Shorts are better if it's wet. Legs dry off, jeans don't. 17:55:46 <Eddi|zuHause> but imagine if the skin got wet!! 17:55:56 <peter1138> Might dissolve! 17:56:01 <andythenorth> the worst thing is waterproof trousers 17:56:07 <andythenorth> the rain stays on the inside 17:56:46 <Eddi|zuHause> waterproof sounds like the worst thing you can have when you sweat 17:57:01 <LordAro> also, rain, what is this? 17:57:10 <peter1138> Yeah, they suck. 17:57:32 * peter1138 waits for this puny dual core to compile. 17:57:35 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2018/ew/c8ew00266e/unauth#!divAbstract 17:57:46 <Eddi|zuHause> we're still talking about britain, right? where rain is all the times when it isn't foggy 17:58:18 <andythenorth> except now 17:58:18 <peter1138> It's been sunny and some people can't cope, it seems. 17:58:48 <peter1138> Great weather for cycling, when wearing the right kit so that you cool off at speed. 17:58:55 <andythenorth> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-44885493 17:59:40 <Eddi|zuHause> dual core.. what is this, 2005? 18:00:01 <Eddi|zuHause> every mom's phone has more than 2 cores nowadays... 18:03:26 <andythenorth> I have 2 cores :( 18:04:08 *** andythenorth has left #openttd 18:04:14 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 18:06:11 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 18:06:36 <Wolf01> o/ 18:07:24 <andythenorth> hmm 18:07:34 <andythenorth> ethylene + acetic acid = glue 18:07:37 <andythenorth> for wood 18:09:16 <andythenorth> I now have about 15 industries labelled 'chemical plant' :P 18:11:09 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 18:17:51 <peter1138> nielsm, hmm, I also had a patch to use the hrtimer... wonder where that went. 18:23:13 <peter1138> Found it, and yes that makes it 1.00x (mostly) 18:25:15 *** tokai has joined #openttd 18:25:15 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai 18:29:14 <Alberth> o/ W 18:31:32 <peter1138> 1.00x and 1.01x. Hmm. 18:36:11 *** sla_ro|master2 has joined #openttd 18:38:38 *** Alberth has left #openttd 18:40:04 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 18:54:58 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 18:55:15 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 18:59:51 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 19:08:44 *** Gja has joined #openttd 19:23:44 <Wolf01> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKQYrrJVg6g sad 19:27:03 *** Maraxus has joined #openttd 19:28:00 <andythenorth> clickbait :P 19:28:07 <andythenorth> most of those are chile or former USSR :P 19:29:28 <Wolf01> Still sad 19:33:41 *** Maraxus has quit IRC 19:43:19 *** RafiX2 is now known as RafiX 19:46:07 *** Gja has quit IRC 19:54:09 <Eddi|zuHause> news are particularly bad today... 19:54:11 <Eddi|zuHause> "beer brewers running out of bottles, because people are hoarding them in their cellar instead of bringing them back to the shops" 20:00:51 *** glx has joined #openttd 20:00:51 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 20:01:20 <andythenorth> sounds like a FIRS problem 20:02:03 <andythenorth> so where are bottles made? 20:02:09 <andythenorth> glass works, or dedicated factory? 20:03:08 <swedneck[m]> is there a way to get 1.5x UI size or something? 20:03:21 <nielsm> not quite 20:03:32 <nielsm> you can use a larger font size 20:03:35 <swedneck[m]> double size makes the settings window absolutely massive, and normal is barely readable 20:04:10 <andythenorth> seems bottles are made by specialist suppliers 20:04:44 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: are bottles are legitimate cargo to produce in shops? 20:04:52 <andythenorth> or are they produced by recycling plant? 20:04:55 <andythenorth> (the returns) 20:10:09 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 20:18:28 <andythenorth> so food additives 20:18:35 <andythenorth> the cargo label should be ENUM? 20:23:33 <LordAro> andythenorth: :D 20:24:39 <andythenorth> I thought so 20:25:37 <V453000> so what's up with FIRS andythenorth 20:25:41 <andythenorth> rekt 20:25:44 <V453000> shit getting refactored to the ground? 20:26:09 <Wolf01> Wants to hit 64 cargos 20:26:49 <andythenorth> rekking extreme 20:28:16 <V453000> "d 20:28:18 <V453000> :d 20:28:45 *** EinChan has left #openttd 20:30:29 <andythenorth> V453000: http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/economies.html#extreme 20:30:33 <andythenorth> still very WIP 20:31:11 <andythenorth> old extreme, hate it http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/releases/LATEST/docs/html/economies.html#extreme 20:31:43 *** sim-al2 has joined #openttd 20:33:45 <V453000> That looks like a big improvement to me, from quick glance so far 20:34:13 <andythenorth> yair 20:34:19 <V453000> I'm not even attempting to count the amount of cargoes that NUTS won't display properly though :P 20:34:23 <andythenorth> I mean it will be terrible 20:34:31 <andythenorth> but at least it won't be wtf terrible 20:35:01 <V453000> The bottom part is awesome 20:35:18 <V453000> I don't see myself using Fruit Plantation, Sheep Farm or Dairy Farm 20:35:50 <V453000> maybe if you make them worth a lot, they are fine as an early game money boost without long term investment as they don't get the supplies on their own 20:36:50 * andythenorth wonders why the bundles version is outdated 20:36:54 <andythenorth> jenkins just built it 20:36:55 <andythenorth> nvm 20:36:57 <V453000> :D 20:38:02 <andythenorth> baked bean factory forthcoming 20:38:31 <V453000> :D 20:39:02 <V453000> It seem cool, I like it. It's madness, but that's what extreme should be 20:39:54 <V453000> I'd consider tweaking the cargo payments in a way so that the farms which don't have the chance to get to farm supplies on their own get motivated the be used at least at the start of each company 20:40:12 <andythenorth> I'll see 20:40:25 <andythenorth> somewhere manure = fmsp somehow 20:40:34 <V453000> Might also give the "I was a nice person at the start, liking people and sending them food, and then I industrialized the shit out of the region." 20:40:37 <andythenorth> what label for manure V453000? :P 20:40:43 <V453000> wtf is manure even 20:40:46 <andythenorth> cow poo 20:40:52 <andythenorth> DUNG, SHIT, CRAP, POOP 20:40:54 <V453000> oh, actual shit 20:40:58 <andythenorth> actual 20:41:30 *** Gja has joined #openttd 20:41:38 <V453000> POOP sounds politically acceptable enough 20:41:57 <andythenorth> nice sound too 20:42:05 <V453000> You probably know I'd name it SHIT 20:42:08 <V453000> but :P 20:42:20 <V453000> POOP is nice 20:42:28 <V453000> as long as the full name is Actual Shit 20:42:39 <nielsm> phosphor and oxygen? 20:43:09 <V453000> extreme, yo 20:43:09 <andythenorth> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW0krnRzKMI 20:43:13 <V453000> you can explain anything by that 20:43:23 <V453000> It's the ultimate excuse 20:43:31 <V453000> (just in case you need them) 20:44:00 <V453000> You are exchanging BDMT for FOOD? :D 20:44:25 <V453000> YETI 5X Exchange merchant lives :D 20:44:32 <nielsm> need to have a BACN cargo 20:44:52 <V453000> if hte Suppply Yard is a giant BDMT-eating slug, I'll send you a cake andythenorth 20:45:07 <andythenorth> V453000: got a slug render? 20:45:23 <andythenorth> might do it, but only when game month is april 20:45:32 <andythenorth> easter egg for easter 20:45:35 <andythenorth> easter slug :P 20:46:05 <V453000> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/6746/5X.wmv 20:46:20 <LANJesus> dung. 20:46:28 <V453000> you can steal a slug from nuts if you feel like :P 20:46:48 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: so biorefinery accepts manure (from dairy farm) and sludge (from water treatment plant) and produces fuel and fertilizer? 20:46:58 <andythenorth> maybe 20:47:06 <andythenorth> currently it's an ethanol plant, but eh 20:47:09 <andythenorth> that could change 20:49:18 <Eddi|zuHause> well, other than fuel it could be methane, which gets processed further? 20:51:20 <Eddi|zuHause> the german word for fertilizer is "Dünger" which obviously comes from "dung" 20:52:07 <andythenorth> I wondered about methane 20:52:18 <andythenorth> but we don't have compelling pipelines in game 21:02:25 <andythenorth> also very bed 21:02:26 *** andythenorth has left #openttd 21:02:59 <Wolf01> /me too 21:03:04 <Wolf01> 'night 21:03:09 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 21:04:19 *** nielsm has quit IRC 21:05:05 <TrueBrain> okay, initial code is now in OpenTTD/DorpsGek-github and OpenTTD/DorpsGek-runner 21:05:10 <TrueBrain> it is running .. now I need to test it :) 21:05:29 <TrueBrain> but it is looking good :D Code-wise it should work .. more about infrastructure now :) 21:05:39 <TrueBrain> (I have to arrange the DNS, make nginx forward the information, etc etc) 21:10:19 <LordAro> :o 21:12:35 <TrueBrain> SpComb: tnx again for the pointers; it is running nice and smooth, and surprisingly stable for a 1 node system :) 21:12:58 <TrueBrain> that I have several pods on 1 replica is giving him the most issues :D 21:15:21 *** sla_ro|master2 has quit IRC 21:22:57 *** Supercheese has joined #openttd 21:29:57 *** Gja has quit IRC 21:32:33 *** RafiX has quit IRC 21:54:31 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 21:55:17 <TrueBrain> okay, I prepared most of the infrastructure changes already ... I just forgot to install 'git' now in the Docker :D haha :D Miiiigggghhhttttt be useful to have :D 21:56:30 <TrueBrain> exit 21:56:32 <TrueBrain> lolz 21:56:48 <TrueBrain> bit harsh, but indeed: nn :) 21:57:50 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 22:12:59 *** namad7 has joined #openttd 22:16:27 *** namad7 has quit IRC 22:27:01 *** Stimrol has quit IRC 22:59:08 *** Supercheese has quit IRC 23:00:02 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 23:11:44 *** Wacko1976 has quit IRC 23:13:53 *** Wacko1976 has joined #openttd 23:24:44 *** Progman has quit IRC 23:35:08 *** Afdal has joined #openttd 23:35:19 <Afdal> hay guise how do people usually setup newgrfs on remote servers? 23:35:31 <Afdal> Does BaNaNaS have a commandline tool? 23:36:02 <Afdal> Or should I just ftp my newgrf files to the /newgrf folder 23:52:46 <Afdal> Got another problem actually 23:53:28 <Afdal> on a clean linux install, trying to simply rev a server up with openttd -D and I'm getting an error 23:53:41 <Afdal> Crash encountered, generating crash log... 23:53:47 <Afdal> openttd: malloc.c:2427: sysmalloc: Assertion `(old_top == initial_top (av) && old_size == 0) || ((unsigned long) (old_size) >= MINSIZE && prev_inuse (old_top) && ((unsigned long) old_end & (pagesize - 1)) == 0)' failed. 23:53:51 <Afdal> What's all that mean? 23:54:07 <Afdal> OpenTTD CAN run without graphics setup right? 23:55:28 <Afdal> Where's the crash log usually found?