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00:29:06 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] ldpl commented on pull request #7730: Change: Use vehicle model age for station rating calculation https://git.io/JeJXO 00:33:24 *** thexa4 has quit IRC 01:08:04 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 01:12:07 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 01:43:04 *** glx has quit IRC 01:43:49 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Eddi-z commented on pull request #7730: Change: Use vehicle model age for station rating calculation https://git.io/JeJdT 02:05:29 *** D-HUND has joined #openttd 02:08:57 *** debdog has quit IRC 02:15:33 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 03:03:14 *** debdog has joined #openttd 03:06:32 *** D-HUND has quit IRC 03:48:11 *** urdh has quit IRC 03:50:24 *** urdh has joined #openttd 04:36:12 *** snail_UES_ has quit IRC 04:51:07 *** cHawk has quit IRC 04:51:07 *** urdh has quit IRC 04:51:07 *** tokai|noir has quit IRC 04:51:10 *** rubenwardy has quit IRC 04:51:23 *** cHawk has joined #openttd 04:51:48 *** tokai has joined #openttd 04:51:48 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai 04:52:28 *** urdh has joined #openttd 04:52:47 *** rubenwardy has joined #openttd 05:00:25 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 05:28:20 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 06:00:25 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 06:28:06 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 06:30:12 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 06:34:34 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on pull request #7730: Change: Use vehicle model age for station rating calculation https://git.io/JeJbS 07:25:31 <andythenorth> err eh what? Why profitable? https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/9493/spurious_profit.png 07:25:55 <andythenorth> this is just unloading and reloading at the second station 07:26:22 <andythenorth> getting transfer leg profit? 07:37:12 *** reldred has joined #openttd 08:07:21 *** reldred has quit IRC 08:12:13 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 08:24:44 *** Samu has joined #openttd 08:24:46 <Samu> hi 08:28:54 <Samu> oh no, an anti rondje patch 08:30:00 *** thexa4 has joined #openttd 08:34:15 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 08:44:55 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] ldpl commented on pull request #7730: Change: Use vehicle model age for station rating calculation https://git.io/JeTvv 09:14:12 *** thexa4 has quit IRC 09:18:38 <Samu> looking for AIs that (are forced to ) transport PASS and MAIL with road vehicles 09:22:22 *** Etua has joined #openttd 09:25:00 *** Etua has quit IRC 09:33:27 <crem2> How I play openttd+FIRS: 1. Start it. 2. Play for 15 minutes. 3. Feel overwhelmed. 4. Stop it. 5. Wait half a year. 6. GOTO 1. 09:37:06 <crem2> Why am I 2! 09:37:08 *** crem2 is now known as crem 09:48:31 *** thexa4 has joined #openttd 10:15:28 *** Samu has quit IRC 10:57:08 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 11:17:36 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 11:27:38 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 11:28:39 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 11:31:44 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 12:28:25 <Eddi|zuHause> what am i going to do with a wet cat? 12:28:40 <LordAro> wring it out 12:34:12 *** Samu has joined #openttd 12:43:41 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 12:48:56 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on pull request #7730: Change: Use vehicle model age for station rating calculation https://git.io/JeLZf 12:53:11 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: put it on top of the hot tub to dry out 12:53:59 <andythenorth> NewStationRating 12:54:12 <andythenorth> eh, fix it in newgrf 12:54:14 <andythenorth> problem solved 13:00:09 *** snail_UES_ has quit IRC 13:37:28 <Samu> testing3x my AI: PASS & MAIL vs PASS vs MAIL 13:37:36 <Samu> which will win 13:40:26 *** Eddi|zuHause has quit IRC 13:40:49 <_dp_> andythenorth, newgrfs are ever bigger problem :p 13:40:52 <_dp_> fix in GS! 13:40:57 <_dp_> oh wait... 13:41:01 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 13:41:12 <andythenorth> _dp_: you are a bad person :P 13:45:15 <Samu> I expect PASS & MAIL to be the best 13:45:21 <Samu> but who knows.. 13:45:35 *** Eddi|zuHause has joined #openttd 13:46:01 <_dp_> bubbles ftw! 14:02:41 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nikolas updated pull request #7086: Change #6173: Update SDL driver to use SDL 2.0 https://git.io/fhamZ 14:03:22 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nikolas updated pull request #7708: Change: Use Squirrel version 3.0.7 https://git.io/fjxWf 14:15:55 *** thexa4 has quit IRC 14:20:27 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #7730: Change: Use vehicle model age for station rating calculation https://git.io/JetGO 14:23:03 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 14:34:58 *** Eddi|zuHause has quit IRC 14:38:35 *** Flygon has quit IRC 14:46:18 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 15:02:40 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] ldpl commented on pull request #7730: Change: Use vehicle model age for station rating calculation https://git.io/JetDf 15:24:09 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] ldpl commented on pull request #7730: Change: Use vehicle model age for station rating calculation https://git.io/Jeqek 15:29:51 <peter1139> Yet another hidden super advanced setting? :p 15:30:36 <nielsm> I'm perfectly fine with not changing the station rating calculation 15:30:57 <nielsm> there should just not be an easy way to configure vehicles to constantly autorenew to the same model then 15:31:47 <peter1139> Or that should cost more. 15:32:10 <nielsm> what is even depreciation on vehicle value? 15:32:12 <peter1139> Realistic Value Depreciation! 15:32:16 <nielsm> yes! 15:32:24 <peter1139> Dunno, but it's quite tame. 15:33:07 <nielsm> basically value drops by 50% when it leaves depot first time and then it follows a curve down to 1% of purchase price over the lifetime 15:33:30 <nielsm> (as long as it hasn't left depot you can sell it for full refund, as an undo button) 15:34:03 <peter1139> Heh, that's harsh. 15:35:45 <_dp_> nielsm, I'm not sure that even with an easy way to autorenew it will be worth doing 15:36:01 <_dp_> mb for a very specific situations like that cb game 15:37:20 <_dp_> where you have limited amount of vehicles so that bit of extra cargo at a right time is worth the lost growth while upgrading 15:39:47 <_dp_> btw, selling vehicles is actually a big problem for goal games 15:39:50 <_dp_> much exploits 15:40:11 <_dp_> no good solution :( 15:40:11 <nielsm> in what way? 15:41:23 <_dp_> 1. selling vehicles at destination 15:41:37 <_dp_> worst but at least can be blocked by server 15:41:45 <_dp_> 2. selling everything to reach the goal faster 15:42:25 <nielsm> what kind of goal here? 15:42:49 <_dp_> usually money 15:43:25 <_dp_> 3. preloading 15:44:20 <nielsm> goals for reaching a certain bank balance could be supplied with a goal of having a certain profit, and maintaining that profit for a while after reaching the cash goal 15:45:40 <_dp_> nielsm, why have balance goal in a first place then? 15:46:09 <nielsm> e.g. keep monthly profits for 6 months and require the player doesn't drop below 90% of that average in the next 6 months 15:46:14 *** thexa4 has joined #openttd 15:46:18 <_dp_> also profit is also not a good goal for a number of reasons 15:47:05 <nielsm> (in this idea the profit goal is not fixed but just a verification requirement determined dynamically) 15:48:59 <_dp_> nielsm, too complex 15:49:37 <nielsm> also "preloading" shouldn't be classifiable as an exploit or unusual, as stations receiving all cargos right away was the original behaviour 15:50:46 <_dp_> nielsm, I don't care about classification, it's just a thing you have to do for a best score and I don't like it 15:51:08 <_dp_> it's also allowed on all servers I know of 15:51:55 <nielsm> imo it should be made a feature, just a button you click on a station "begin transporting this cargo" 15:52:16 <_dp_> nielsm, yeah, that would be nice 15:53:04 <_dp_> but than, easier griefing... 15:53:13 <nielsm> maybe a tri-state, starts out "undetermined", where sending a vehicle to load the cargo will then toggle it to "enabled", but you can also manually toggle it to "enabled" or "do not transport" 15:54:45 <_dp_> nielsm, yeah, would also solve "how to stop accepting" problem 16:09:10 <andythenorth> we should get better exploits 16:09:16 <andythenorth> like short selling of stock 16:09:19 <andythenorth> buying on margin 16:09:23 <andythenorth> pumping and dumping 16:12:45 <_dp_> andythenorth, there are better exploits 16:13:01 <_dp_> andythenorth, like soft-blocking an industry by building two stations :p 16:13:18 <andythenorth> does that mean no cargo gets distributed to 3rd or something? 16:13:25 <supermop_work> correct 16:13:27 <_dp_> andythenorth, yep 16:13:31 <andythenorth> oof 16:18:19 <_dp_> autoclean is also a fun thing to exploit 16:18:41 <_dp_> as there is no way to autoclean protected company without leaving it unprotected for at least a month 16:19:16 *** Eddi|zuHause has joined #openttd 16:20:41 <nielsm> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/7540 <- do the initial idea or close? 16:21:58 <milek7> exploiting autoclean? what does it exploit? 16:24:45 <_dp_> milek7, you can catch yourself a nice rich company if you're lucky/patient 16:25:50 <milek7> eh, disable autoclean? ;d 16:26:57 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #7540: Change: New layout for the Station view window https://git.io/Jeq2P 16:27:29 <nielsm> milek7 I think the purpose might be if you want to drop out of the game? 16:27:57 <nielsm> you can't have the server delete your company without leaving it unprotected for a while, and someone else might claim it in that time 16:28:29 <milek7> yes, but why delete companies? does unoccupied companies hurt? 16:28:51 <_dp_> milek7, because servers quickly become full with unused companies 16:31:29 <milek7> ah, ok 16:31:32 <milek7> *there's patch for that 16:33:33 *** Eddi|zuHause2 has joined #openttd 16:36:54 <nielsm> I'm sure you could work around it 16:37:44 <nielsm> like the GS catching a company name change to "deleteme", popping up a confirmation box to the player, and on confirmation it sends something to the adminport where something then sends an rcon command back to delete the company 16:38:18 *** Eddi|zuHause has quit IRC 16:39:42 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 16:41:41 <_dp_> nielsm, I just reimplemented the whole autoclean logic :p 16:43:28 *** Progman has joined #openttd 16:44:06 <_dp_> to only clean companies when server is near full or wants to restart 17:00:30 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 17:01:19 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 17:01:32 <Wolf01> o/ 17:01:39 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 17:02:28 <andythenorth> yo 17:08:41 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 17:16:48 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] auslambert opened issue #7732: Shared orders allows only two vehicles https://git.io/Jeqai 17:19:38 *** thexa4 has quit IRC 17:24:51 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on issue #7732: Shared orders allows only two vehicles https://git.io/Jeqai 17:28:05 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 17:35:15 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 17:47:22 <andythenorth> nielsm: if it's any help, I have no problems with station window :) 17:47:24 <andythenorth> as it is now 17:52:35 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] kiwitreekor updated pull request #7575: Feature: Add industry production graph https://git.io/fjc3i 17:53:52 *** Etua has joined #openttd 17:56:30 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] kiwitreekor updated pull request #7575: Feature: Add industry production graph https://git.io/fjc3i 17:58:36 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] kiwitreekor updated pull request #7575: Feature: Add industry production graph https://git.io/fjc3i 18:04:40 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh updated pull request #7353: Feature: Measure vehicle capacity utilisation efficiency https://git.io/fhho4 18:04:41 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 18:08:02 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 18:09:31 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 18:15:27 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 18:17:33 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest2194 18:17:33 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 18:17:48 *** thexa4 has joined #openttd 18:19:01 *** Guest2194 has quit IRC 18:33:01 *** nielsm has quit IRC 18:52:12 *** Thedarkb-X40 has quit IRC 18:58:14 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest2195 18:58:14 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 18:59:57 *** Guest2195 has quit IRC 19:08:08 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest2197 19:08:10 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 19:10:08 *** Guest2197 has quit IRC 19:22:13 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 19:23:29 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 19:26:46 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 19:29:57 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JGRennison opened issue #7733: RemoveDockingTile https://git.io/Jeqr9 19:43:31 *** Samu has quit IRC 19:52:47 *** Etua has joined #openttd 20:02:53 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 20:06:23 *** Etua has quit IRC 20:08:02 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 20:28:27 *** thexa4 has quit IRC 20:30:38 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 20:47:11 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 20:56:52 *** gelignite has quit IRC 21:00:37 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 21:03:32 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 21:14:29 *** Progman has quit IRC 21:31:28 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 21:42:04 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 22:01:37 *** glx has joined #openttd 22:01:37 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 22:09:33 *** _dp_ has quit IRC 22:10:06 *** dP has joined #openttd 22:10:06 *** dP is now known as _dp_ 22:16:51 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 22:17:05 *** DrSegfault has quit IRC 22:18:08 *** DrSegfault has joined #openttd 22:25:50 *** tokai|noir has joined #openttd 22:25:50 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai|noir 22:32:41 *** tokai has quit IRC 22:33:29 *** tyteen4a03 has quit IRC 22:33:33 *** tyteen4a03 has joined #openttd 22:38:45 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 22:38:47 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 22:42:11 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 23:07:07 *** Thedarkb-X40 has joined #openttd 23:14:03 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC