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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org"] 01:22:20 *** _Red is now known as Red 01:37:09 <Eddi|zuHause> yay, i managed to successfully build the elrail branch ;) 01:39:28 <Eddi|zuHause> translation of "Electrified Railway" stuff is missing... :( 01:44:09 *** axadhus [n=mav@ganymed.inf.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:45:22 <ln-> not surprising 01:46:06 *** Andrew67 [n=andrew67@206.248.84.38] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:48:05 <Eddi|zuHause> no, not really :) 01:52:45 <Eddi|zuHause> hey... funny... pressing "pause" pauses the game... i never noticed that... (always used F1) 02:00:53 *** BFM [n=chatzill@CPE-60-229-122-250.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:01:27 <BFM> Electric rails you say.... *strokes chin* 02:12:19 <Eddi|zuHause> my comments about elrails: www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/eleails.jpg 02:13:07 *** DjViper- [i=djviper@mishima-empire.h-nett.no] has joined #Openttd 02:13:35 <Eddi|zuHause> (for Celestar or peter1138, whoever wants to read that) 02:13:52 *** DjViper [i=djviper@mishima-empire.h-nett.no] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 02:14:01 <Eddi|zuHause> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/elrails.jpg of course (typo) 02:14:41 *** DjViper- is now known as DjViper 02:18:46 <BFM> Interesting. I haven't read anything into this Electric mod... Does it simply mean that, for one to use electric trains, you've gotta have the rail upgraded? 02:18:48 *** BFM [n=chatzill@CPE-60-229-122-250.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.68.5 [Firefox 1.0.7/20050919]"] 02:19:23 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:19:27 *** BFM [n=chatzill@CPE-60-229-122-250.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:19:35 *** BJH_ [n=chatzill@e176116115.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:19:41 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. 02:19:48 <BFM> And with that, do steam and diseal still run on the upgraded rails? 02:19:55 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. 02:20:04 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 02:21:30 <BFM> Interesting mod. Does it come with ice cream? 02:29:45 *** French_Tycoon [n=chatzill@cha78-1-82-240-59-140.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:35:13 *** MrRexxie [n=rexxars@ti131310a080-2587.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 02:46:33 *** Rexxie [n=rexxars@ti131310a080-2587.bb.online.no] has quit [Connection timed out] 03:04:29 *** DjViper [i=djviper@mishima-empire.h-nett.no] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 03:04:35 *** DjViper- [i=djviper@mishima-empire.h-nett.no] has joined #Openttd 03:06:11 *** DjViper- is now known as DjViper 03:34:48 *** BFM [n=chatzill@CPE-60-229-122-250.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.68.5 [Firefox 1.0.7/20050919]"] 03:50:20 *** DjViper [i=djviper@mishima-empire.h-nett.no] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 03:50:21 *** DjViper- [i=djviper@mishima-empire.h-nett.no] has joined #Openttd 03:50:43 *** DjViper- is now known as DjViper 04:03:50 *** vasi [n=vasi@modemcable032.248-37-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit ["Client exiting"] 04:08:35 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Bye!"] 04:19:47 *** DjViper- [i=djviper@mishima-empire.h-nett.no] has joined #Openttd 04:21:15 *** DjViper [i=djviper@mishima-empire.h-nett.no] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:21:21 *** DjViper- is now known as DjViper 05:04:48 *** Singaporekid [n=notme@cm6.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 05:07:53 *** Smoky555 [n=Smoky555@sagitta.internal.vlink.ru] has joined #openttd 05:13:26 *** Fujitsu [n=chatzill@c211-28-183-112.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:22:27 *** EternalDecoy87 [n=EternalD@68-232-89-85.chvlva.adelphia.net] has joined #openTTD 05:26:42 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B366E0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:28:55 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B366E0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 05:35:27 *** _Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 05:40:53 *** Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:41:48 *** Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 05:47:32 *** Cheery [i=Henri@a81-197-45-47.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 05:53:04 *** Nubian [n=nubian@mrkvovy.kokotko.sk] has joined #openttd 05:58:11 *** _Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:58:19 <EternalDecoy87> hey uhm, can anyone tell me why it wont let me build anything in OTTD? 06:01:03 *** Tron_ [n=tron@p54A3FF8F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:01:10 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3D6BA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 06:01:12 <ln-> "it"? 06:01:16 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 06:01:33 <Fujitsu> You aren't by any chance paused, are you>? 06:01:39 <EternalDecoy87> you talking to me? 06:02:05 <Fujitsu> Yes. 06:02:27 <EternalDecoy87> no, i tried unpausing it, still nothing 06:02:33 <ln-> or are you writing instead of talking? 06:02:43 <EternalDecoy87> it just gives me an error saying "you can't build that" 06:03:05 <ThePizzaKing> what year is it? 06:05:13 *** Singaporekid [n=notme@cm6.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:06:11 <EternalDecoy87> uhm 06:06:15 <EternalDecoy87> i think 1920 06:06:53 <Fujitsu> What exactly are you trying to build? 06:07:44 *** Singaporekid [n=notme@cm6.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 06:08:10 <EternalDecoy87> uhm, anything, traintracks, train stations, all it'll let me do is delete spaces, and raise/lower the ground 06:08:36 <Fujitsu> Sounds like you are too early. 06:09:02 <ThePizzaKing> yes, try a later year, like 1940 06:09:15 <EternalDecoy87> alrighty 06:09:20 <EternalDecoy87> i shall try, thanks 06:13:46 <ln-> you see, railroads were not invented yet in the 1920s 06:15:24 <EternalDecoy87> lol ok, yea that was it, 1926 will let you build traintracks, but no earlier 06:19:48 <ln-> also the elrail patch doesn't allow one to build elrails in 1950. 06:23:37 <Prof_Frink> It shold allow construction from the first elec. train 06:24:01 <ln-> yes, but the first elec. train appears way too late. 06:24:28 <ln-> elrails did exist in 1950, i think they even existed in 1920s. 06:26:00 <EternalDecoy87> what date do you start getting trucks? since trains dont come into the game til a bit later 06:26:00 <Prof_Frink> use the dbxl then. 06:26:14 <Kjetil> The ottd timeline is a "bit" off 06:27:29 <EternalDecoy87> mm, but like, if you start a game in 1920, how long do you have to wait til any trucks are available? 06:29:06 <ln-> if you start a game in 1920, can you in fact do anything? 06:29:25 <ln-> build any type of transport? 06:32:34 <ln-> the answer is: no. 06:32:50 <ln-> so why the hell is it even possible to start in 1920? 06:33:18 <EternalDecoy87> lol 06:33:42 <EternalDecoy87> well see, i was wondering that myself, because if nothing is invented til sometime in 1935, then what's the point... 06:37:48 <ln-> you can buy land and build roads 06:37:58 <ln-> and airports 06:40:58 <peter1138> ln-: you can load new graphics sets which start at 1920 06:41:40 <ln-> acknowledged 06:42:06 <peter1138> dbsetxl starts in 1920 and gives you one steamer and one electric 06:43:45 <ln-> i wish to register a complaint about a shortcut key in ottd. 06:43:58 <ln-> TAB -> fast forward 06:44:43 <ln-> please change it to something else than TAB 06:44:58 <peter1138> no 06:45:17 <peter1138> http://www.pikkarail.com/ttdp/ukrs/ 06:45:20 <peter1138> http://www.ewetel.net/~michael.blunck/ttd/download.html 06:45:32 <peter1138> there are more sets elsewhere 06:45:44 <peter1138> echoechoecho 06:45:54 <peter1138> ln-: if you build a debug build, it becomes shift... 06:45:59 <peter1138> but then it's slower, because it's a debug build 06:46:26 <ln-> why does it have to be tab? 06:46:36 *** Fujitsu_ [n=chatzill@c211-28-183-112.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:47:46 <peter1138> what's wrong with it being tab? heh 06:49:21 <peter1138> wtf 06:49:45 <peter1138> i just had the endgame screen come up in the intro screen o_O 06:52:03 *** RoySmeding [i=1000@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 06:52:43 <ln-> peter1138: if you use an operating system that uses the key combination ALT-TAB to switch between windows, then it often happens that OTTD thinks you want it to fast forward when you actually are just switching to another window. 06:53:35 <peter1138> which OS is that? 06:54:02 <ln-> at least the so-called "Linux" OS. 06:54:09 <peter1138> cos it works in windows 06:54:21 <peter1138> alt-tab to switch windows is not a feature of linux 06:54:40 <peter1138> it's a feature of the window manager, and clearly yours is broken if it doesn't intercept it properly 06:55:13 <ln-> quite possible it's broken, and quite possible it's not just my wm that is broken, but those of thousands of other users, too. 06:55:33 <peter1138> thousands of other users who haven't made a bug report either... heh. 06:56:42 <ln-> so the question arises is it better to fix OTTD (even if it isn't really broken), or expect those thousands of idiots to fix their wms. 06:56:43 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k136.webspeed.dk] has quit ["Go on, get out. 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07:09:01 * Vornicus seeks Mac users, to test something. 07:10:11 *** Xeryus|bed is now known as XeryusTC 07:16:05 *** Cheery [i=Henri@a81-197-45-47.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["Leaving"] 07:19:51 * peter1138 adds wagon refit support to the AI 07:21:17 <peter1138> which is handy for sets like UKRS 07:24:01 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.stb.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 07:35:08 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.72 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006011112]"] 07:39:48 *** EternalDecoy87 [n=EternalD@68-232-89-85.chvlva.adelphia.net] has quit ["Bye for now!"] 07:39:49 <Darkvater> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/71 <-- how come we never noticed this? 07:40:50 <Vornicus> Don't we still have the invalid station crash? 07:41:05 <Darkvater> that as well 07:41:51 <MiHaMiX> morning 07:42:07 <Darkvater> morning 07:43:06 <Tron> invalid station crash? 07:43:30 <Darkvater> well not sureif it crashes all the time, but 07:44:08 <Darkvater> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1167810&group_id=103924&atid=636365 07:44:15 <Tron> <Darkvater> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/71 <-- how come we never noticed this? <--- i guess ottd just become more picky about invalid data, before it just did /something/ 07:44:47 <peter1138> muwahah, it works 07:45:21 <Darkvater> well, it's abit more ricky than that, the index is out of range 07:45:43 <Darkvater> most of the time it's in range, so ottd just picks a vehicle 07:46:38 <Tron> it picks a vehicle with type==0 07:46:55 <Tron> and even if there IS a valid vehicle with that index 07:47:05 <Tron> who guarantees it was the last vehicle at that station? 07:47:24 <Tron> that vehicle visiting the station could have been sold 07:47:41 <Darkvater> that's what I am saying 07:47:43 <Tron> and another totally different vehicle was bought which got the same VehicleID 07:48:11 <Darkvater> Tron: http://darkvater.openttd.org/openttd.grf <-- missing glyphs added 07:48:35 <Tron> do you have an image of that? 07:48:50 <Darkvater> http://darkvater.homeip.net/~tfarago/glyphs.png 07:53:34 <Tron> the degree sign looks a bit thin 07:53:54 <Tron> times is assymmetric 07:54:37 <Tron> power to 3 has a hard corner at the lower curve 07:54:56 <Darkvater> it sucks making them without aliasing :( 07:55:09 *** alastair [n=agh@220-244-72-6.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:55:12 <Tron> they _are_ aliased 07:55:19 <Tron> you want antialiasing (: 07:55:35 * peter1138 ponders updating his ttf patch 07:55:56 <Tron> the R in rights reserved is off-center 07:56:38 <Tron> i think with a bit polishing they will fit in well 07:56:53 <peter1138> http://195.112.37.102/ottd/aiwagon.diff 07:57:20 <Tron> peter1138: what does it do? 07:57:32 *** Aankhen`` [n=pockled@203.101.29.55] has joined #openttd 07:57:52 <Vornicus> ...lets the AI refit, I think. 07:58:07 <Tron> at a first glance it replaces magic numbers by some logic 07:58:11 <peter1138> it replaces the fixed list of cargo/landscape -> engineid of wagons for the ai, to choosing based on wagons themselves 07:58:32 <peter1138> and also makes it refit 07:58:46 <Tron> + /* Assume refit capacity is the same */ 07:58:50 <Tron> does this hold true? 07:59:26 <peter1138> no, it's not true, but i didn't fancy putting the capacity callback in there 07:59:44 <peter1138> hmm 07:59:59 <peter1138> maybe i could, as well as try building, try refitting 08:00:28 <Tron> trying to refit without an existing waggon is a bit hard, isn't it? 08:00:35 <peter1138> oh 08:00:44 <peter1138> point :) 08:01:28 <Tron> even removing the magic numbers alone is worth the change 08:02:18 <Tron> how do you know as player how much cargo a refitted waggon would hold? 08:02:36 *** Fujitsu__ [n=chatzill@c211-28-183-112.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:02:38 *** Fujitsu__ is now known as Fujitsu 08:02:47 <peter1138> you're right. you don't until you've bought it. 08:02:48 <peter1138> that... sucks 08:02:52 *** Fujitsu [n=chatzill@c211-28-183-112.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Client Quit] 08:03:00 <Tron> hmhm, that's bad 08:03:25 <Tron> suggestion: first do it without refitting 08:03:39 *** Fujitsu_ [n=chatzill@c211-28-183-112.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 08:04:01 <Tron> and as a second step implement the necessary means to get the refit information so both players and the AI can check this info beforhand 08:05:16 <peter1138> i can do that as a hack, i guess 08:05:39 <peter1138> the refit callback uses v->cargo_type, not a callback parameter 08:05:49 <peter1138> damn their undesigned evolution 08:06:26 <peter1138> something like returning v == NULL ? callbackparam : v->cargo_type might work 08:08:20 <Tron> as long as the hack stays withing newgrf*.[ch] i'm fine with it 08:08:45 <peter1138> yes, it will 08:17:19 <Celestar> so? 08:17:36 <Celestar> morning 08:18:28 <peter1138> hmm, there's also max_speed to take into account 08:19:02 <Celestar> "I did come across a pathfinder issue though in the quick testing I managed before work. An electric train was trying to get to an elrail platform via track that had a segment of standard track included, instead of going for the second platform which was all elrail. If that doesn't make sense, I'll post a screeny when I get home tonight to clarify. (Sorry if this is already known - I couldn't find the bugs file)." 08:19:09 <Celestar> hmm 08:20:01 <Tron> morning, Celestar 08:20:23 <Tron> when do you have time to address the multistop issues? 08:20:41 <Celestar> Tron: possibly today, likely Friday 08:21:11 <peter1138> baaaah 08:21:15 <peter1138> don't want to go to work :( 08:21:21 <Celestar> peter1138: I just arrived there :S 08:21:37 <Celestar> people we might want another depot sprite for the elrails as $USERS pointed out 08:21:51 <Celestar> how does TTDP do it? 08:31:02 <Celestar> ok I'm getting REALLY pissed here :S 08:31:03 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.stb.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:32:10 <peter1138> lemme see 08:32:51 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@cl-1124.ams-04.nl.sixxs.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 08:32:57 <Celestar> I've told $USERS (who are local admins at their workstation) to set DOMAIN\someuser as local admin at their workstations. 08:33:09 <Celestar> in 3 days, that has been done on 4/50 workstations. 08:33:23 <Celestar> I'll give them 24 hours, then I'll remove them from domain & network 08:34:38 <peter1138> hm, i can't build a depot 08:34:49 <peter1138> i seem to have lomo-style railway building enable 08:34:50 <peter1138> +d 08:34:59 <Celestar> hm? 08:37:08 <peter1138> oh 08:37:13 <peter1138> i don't have elrails loaded. hehe 08:38:36 <CIA-5> celestar * r3855 /branch/elrail/ (8 files): [elrail] -Merge from trunk: revisions 3833:3854 08:38:36 <Celestar> lol 08:38:50 <Celestar> TL|Away: ping 08:40:40 <Celestar> peter1138: mind telling me which implementation looks better? :) 08:41:12 *** Gussoh^ [n=gussoh@user9.82-197-255.netatonce.net] has joined #openttd 08:41:12 *** Gussoh [n=gussoh@user9.82-197-255.netatonce.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:41:23 *** zr40 [n=zr40@cl-1124.ams-04.nl.sixxs.net] has joined #openttd 08:44:18 <peter1138> hmm 08:44:30 <peter1138> have to wait, need to go :( 08:44:34 <Celestar> k k 08:49:29 <zr40> can anyone recommend a good editor? (but not vi or emacs ;)) 08:49:59 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3FF8F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 08:50:11 *** Tron_ [n=tron@p54A3FF8F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:50:18 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3FF8F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:50:40 *** _StefaN^ [n=StefaN@nat5.mnc.pl] has joined #openttd 08:52:03 <Celestar> zr40: dunno. I still find vi by far the best IDE you can get (once you got used to it) 08:54:11 <zr40> hmm 08:54:27 <Celestar> zr40: otherwise use kate/kwrite? 08:56:42 <zr40> what kind of vi are you using? 08:56:47 <zr40> vim? gvim? some other variant? 08:58:18 <Celestar> vim 08:58:27 <Celestar> 6.3.84 08:58:39 <Celestar> with a nice buncho options 08:59:51 <Celestar> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/SrCPAH18.html 08:59:53 <Celestar> there they are 09:00:12 <CIA-5> tron * r3856 /trunk/docs/landscape_grid.html: Distinct between bridge ramps and bridge middle parts 09:03:19 <Rubidium> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/SrCPAH18.html 09:03:41 <Rubidium> hmm putty reacts different from other console clients :( 09:08:28 <Celestar> hm .. 09:08:32 <peter1138> you can change its paste bevahiour 09:12:06 *** Scia [n=Scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:12:17 *** Singaporekid [n=notme@cm6.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [":o"] 09:15:52 *** Gussoh^ [n=gussoh@user9.82-197-255.netatonce.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:23:20 *** Gussoh [n=gussoh@user9.82-197-255.netatonce.net] has joined #openttd 09:27:37 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 09:27:50 <peter1138> Celestar: in my vimrc, i also have... 09:27:53 <peter1138> set list 09:28:15 <peter1138> set listchars=tab:..,trail:¬ 09:28:41 *** TL|Away is now known as TrueLight 09:28:41 <peter1138> == you can easily distinguish between tabs and spaces, and you can see trailing whitespace 09:28:57 <TrueLight> Celestar: pong 09:29:12 <peter1138> vs2005 is annoying for that 09:29:21 <peter1138> if you have visible whitespace on, it changes *all* spaces ;( 09:30:44 *** Singaporekid [n=notme@cm6.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 09:32:48 <Celestar> peter1138: what does that do? 09:32:53 <Celestar> ah 09:36:40 *** Gussoh^ [n=gussoh@user9.82-197-255.netatonce.net] has joined #openttd 09:37:00 *** e1ko is now known as e1ko_AfK 09:37:17 *** Gussoh [n=gussoh@user9.82-197-255.netatonce.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:39:40 <Celestar> TrueLight: where do you want that "BUGS" file? 09:40:33 <Nubian> http://www.shooshtime.com/pics/images/32d356441364660bac2185ddde58516f1711002773.jpg 09:40:55 <peter1138> "Your browser sent a request that this server could not understand." 09:41:05 <TrueLight> Celestar: in branch/elrail seems like the best idea 09:41:13 <TrueLight> (so in the root) 09:41:15 <TrueLight> or else in a doc dir 09:41:28 <TrueLight> do something :p 09:41:34 <TrueLight> just give people a way to know the current bugs 09:41:46 *** DjViper [i=djviper@mishima-empire.h-nett.no] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 09:42:09 *** DjViper [i=djviper@mishima-empire.h-nett.no] has joined #Openttd 09:42:39 <TrueLight> Celestar: you odn't have to do it, but expect to be spammed in that case :p 09:43:34 <peter1138> heh 09:43:58 <peter1138> Celestar: i found a little bug with the AI, but my patch i worked on this am should fix that also 09:44:50 <Nubian> http://www.shooshtime.com/pics/viewpic.php?id=9705 09:46:07 <Celestar> am? 09:46:12 <Celestar> aka morning? 09:46:37 <peter1138> er, morning, yes 09:47:19 <Tron> Nubian: i recommend you stop posting non-worksafe links which also have nothing to do with this channel 09:47:20 *** Skiddles^ [n=notme@cm6.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 09:50:13 <peter1138> this ai thing 09:50:25 <peter1138> wondering how to integrate speed as well 09:54:36 *** Scia [n=Scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:56:21 *** Gussoh [n=gussoh@user9.82-197-255.netatonce.net] has joined #openttd 09:58:45 *** Gussoh^ [n=gussoh@user9.82-197-255.netatonce.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:59:06 *** Skiddles^ [n=notme@cm6.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has left #openttd ["Raah"] 10:00:21 <zr40> Celestar: bah 10:00:26 <zr40> I'm trying 'vimtutor' 10:00:33 <Celestar> aha? 10:00:42 <zr40> it says I need to use the khlj keys for moving around 10:00:49 <Celestar> zr40: you CAN use them. 10:00:56 <Celestar> but you can use the arrow keys as well 10:01:00 <zr40> now, they happen to be arranged nicely on an qwerty keyboard... but I use dvorak... 10:01:01 <zr40> ah 10:01:13 <Celestar> khlj is for cursorless terminals 10:02:23 *** kujeger_work [n=kujeger@pc-99-88.p52.hio.no] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:03:07 *** kujeger_work [n=kujeger@pc-99-88.p52.hio.no] has joined #openttd 10:04:34 <Celestar> hmpf 10:04:53 <Celestar> bridge middle part is if m5 has the two upper bits set, right?! 10:05:19 *** Scia [n=Scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:06:42 *** init [n=init@c83-250-153-195.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 10:08:08 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80843.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:10:56 <peter1138> until tron changes it :) 10:11:43 <SpComb> nevar! 10:12:11 <peter1138> Enum.Parse(Type enumtype, string value); 10:12:32 <peter1138> error for first parameter: 10:12:44 <peter1138> 'foo' is a 'type', which is not valid in the given context 10:12:44 <peter1138> o_O 10:21:46 <Celestar> this is freaky 10:23:18 <Tron> Celestar: there will be functions to ask these kind of questions Really Soon Now(tm) 10:26:09 <peter1138> http://195.112.37.102/ottd/aiwagon2.diff 10:26:19 <Celestar> Tron: yeah I know :) 10:26:29 <peter1138> untested, so i dunno how well it works 10:26:52 * peter1138 goes back to coding BACS interface 10:29:20 <peter1138> Celestar: that patch fixes the ai issue with elrails too... the tables are missing info for elrail 10:32:34 *** Hendikins|ADSL [n=wolfox@ppp23-114.lns2.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 10:48:27 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [n=Qrr@p54A7F407.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:55:15 <peter1138> hmm 10:55:26 <peter1138> perhaps ai rank should be included 10:56:17 <Celestar> peter1138: I see 10:57:19 *** znikoz2 [n=1@193.227.251.17] has joined #openttd 10:59:45 *** Bjarni|uni [n=Bjarni@bohr.gbar.dtu.dk] has joined #openttd 10:59:50 <Matt-W> Is there something somewhere which explains what electric rails are all about? 10:59:58 <Bjarni|uni> read the forum 11:02:35 <syf> so.. any chance on airplanes getting revamped? they're way too cheap for the income they bring in.. 11:03:50 <Matt-W> Bjarni|uni: all I've found so far is the 'help us test' thread, is there one that explains what elrails mean, or am I better off just downloading the test build and playing with them? 11:04:05 *** alastair [n=agh@220-244-72-6.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [] 11:04:44 <peter1138> electrified railways 11:04:47 <Celestar> Matt-W: electric engines can only drive on electric rail :) 11:05:06 <Matt-W> Just that? Nice and simple then. 11:05:10 <Matt-W> Also sensible 11:05:51 *** Gussoh [n=gussoh@user9.82-197-255.netatonce.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:05:51 *** Gussoh [n=gussoh@user9.82-197-255.netatonce.net] has joined #openttd 11:05:56 <Bjarni|uni> crap, I just learned that the mac binary I uploaded is not the same revision as the other ones and I can't make a new one from here 11:06:11 <Bjarni|uni> I will upload a new one in say 5 hours 11:06:27 <peter1138> 10:41 < roboboy> but ill let them figure it out themselves as i want ttdpatch to have more features that i want 11:06:30 <peter1138> lol 11:06:32 <Bjarni|uni> either that or kick TrueLight to make one 11:06:39 <peter1138> as if he can come up with any thing useful 11:07:12 <Bjarni|uni> I would go for the TrueLight solution, specially if it is some sort of nightly build. I don't want to figure out what revision to build and upload it on a daily basis 11:07:42 <Bjarni|uni> gtg 11:07:53 <Bjarni|uni> going to pick up parts to build a robot :D 11:07:53 <TrueLight> Bjarni|uni: you run the 'make test' for GPMI for me, I do this for you 11:08:17 <Bjarni|uni> TrueLight: I can do that late tonight when I get time or tomorrow 11:08:32 <Bjarni|uni> I'm having a not-at-home day today 11:08:50 <Bjarni|uni> bye 11:08:55 *** Bjarni|uni [n=Bjarni@bohr.gbar.dtu.dk] has quit ["Leaving"] 11:09:52 <Qball> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/03/14/mcafee_av_false_positive/ 11:11:04 <peter1138> heh 11:11:39 <BurtyB> theregister are well slow on telling people about that one :( 11:11:54 <Qball> I got there via googlenews 11:12:26 <BurtyB> I mean they (theregister) was a bit slow getting the news out 11:13:27 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:15:07 <Qball> yes.. 11:15:15 <Qball> still kinda stupid mistake from mcafee 11:18:58 <BurtyB> yeah it is, as other peeps have said it shows a lot about their QA dept 11:22:39 *** znikoz2 [n=1@193.227.251.17] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:25:03 <Matt-W> Hmm and I thought Symantec were bad 11:25:28 <BurtyB> nah, symantec just takes over your system and leaves you with enough for it to crawl along 11:25:59 <Matt-W> My sister's laptop came with Norton Internet Security 11:26:10 <Matt-W> About five months later it stopped working for no descernable reason 11:26:37 <BurtyB> probably because it was a "bundled" version that lasted that long 11:26:48 <Matt-W> It's quite worrying when Symantec actually provide a tool to download to remove their products if the uninstaller doesn't do it. 11:26:58 <Matt-W> No, it was supposed to be good for 12 months 11:27:17 <Matt-W> Anyway, cleaned it off and set her up with AVG Free and ZoneAlarm 11:27:20 <Matt-W> her laptop's much faster now 11:27:41 *** Singaporekid^ 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calculating route profits, stopping the route when they haven't brought in any profit in X years 12:15:55 <BurtyB> cool thing for the AI would be to stop moving the fucking land around all the time :p 12:16:28 <Eddi|zuHause> i never played with AI in years... 12:16:36 <Eddi|zuHause> they always fuck everything up... 12:16:58 <Eddi|zuHause> especially with roads 12:17:08 <BurtyB> i used it other day to keep a cpu occupied... was fun watching it keep changing it over and over 12:17:13 <syf> agreed 12:20:06 <Eddi|zuHause> the AI should actually _plan_ tracks before they attempt to build them 12:21:21 <BurtyB> it would prob help in a couple of ways, first the player wouldnt know where it was planning on moving.. second I would expect it to be quicker to plan rather that have it shown graphicaly 12:23:35 <Eddi|zuHause> it could plan the track, then buy the land, and then adjust landscape/build the track on it 12:24:07 <Eddi|zuHause> to avoid anyone to interfere with the plan 12:24:31 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(if there are umlauts in company name, the game can't be saved) 15:00:58 <ln-> the patch: http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/ottd/save-filenames-in-utf8.diff 15:01:01 <Darkvater> brb, casema speed update ^^ 15:05:54 <egladil> ln-: i'm not familiar with the problem or what (and how) iconv does, so i'm probably not the right person to ask 15:07:46 <egladil> don't have time to test it right now, but if you like i can do it later 15:08:19 <egladil> another thing, doesn't libiconv need to be used on linux too? 15:08:42 <Darkvater> keke 470KB/s :) 15:09:53 <CIA-5> tron * r3858 /branch/elrail/openttd.c: On load rails under road bridges didn't get updated to the correct type 15:12:54 <ln-> does lord Darkvater have an opinion? 15:14:20 <ln-> i'm just asking, because: 1) the bug exists, 2) it has existed since the dawn of the time, 3) now there is a fix for it, 4) no one has pointed out any problems in the fix, 5) still nothing seems to happen. 15:25:44 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACD89237.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 15:27:23 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-20288.otenet.gr] has joined #OpenTTD 15:28:49 <peter1138> i don't like the define for convert_to_fs_charset 15:29:29 *** tank_ is now known as tank 15:30:08 <Celestar> how high is a vehicle? 15:30:50 <peter1138> 8 pixels three dimensionally 15:31:07 <peter1138> 12... maybe 14 actually 15:31:18 <Celestar> and a bridge is 8 pixels above the ground? 15:33:52 <Celestar> so how am I going to squeeze the wire in there? 15:34:39 <Born_Acorn> Chris Sawyer fooled us all with his bridges and tunnels! 15:35:05 <peter1138> Celestar: it's actually 5 15:35:38 <peter1138> ln-: the extern sucks too 15:36:12 <Celestar> the wires will be 7 above ground 15:36:15 <peter1138> ln-: is that patch yours? 15:36:21 <Celestar> and will fit under bridges 15:36:32 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-20288.otenet.gr] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:36:40 <ln-> peter1138: yes, it's mine. what's wrong with extern? 15:36:41 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-20288.otenet.gr] has joined #OpenTTD 15:37:05 <peter1138> well, it sucks 15:37:13 <peter1138> (the extern, heh) 15:37:27 <peter1138> ln-: improvement: http://195.112.37.102/ottd/utf8.diff 15:38:32 <Born_Acorn> Why does the waypoint GUI button look strange and unrelated? :o 15:38:56 <peter1138> because you've not drawn a better one? 15:39:23 <Matt-W> It always looked to me like it was a tool to build fences 15:39:49 <Born_Acorn> It is basically the station icon, with the building removed, leaving the platform and canopy 15:40:28 <Matt-W> It is? Hmm 15:40:50 <Born_Acorn> yes, compare the two on double zoom mode (CTRL+Z) 15:41:02 <peter1138> lol 15:41:05 <peter1138> it actually is, hehe 15:42:38 <Matt-W> I'll have to have a look at that when I get home 15:44:54 <peter1138> ln-: ignoring the obvious typos, heh 15:45:08 <Born_Acorn> With e-rails, would it be possible to allow just being able to drag/place erails over normal rails to upgrade them? 15:45:19 <peter1138> and missing hal.h includes 15:45:25 <Born_Acorn> It would be easier to drag out inter-junctions then. 15:45:45 <Born_Acorn> right now I get errors when trying to touch rails with erails 15:46:00 <Born_Acorn> and convert railway is another tool! 15:46:25 <peter1138> it's on my todo 15:47:20 <ln-> peter1138: ok, it looks better. but still, there are 114 other uses of 'extern' in the sources. 15:47:21 <Born_Acorn> hurray. 15:47:27 <peter1138> ln-: no excuse to add more 15:47:45 <peter1138> (i've fixed those typos now, heh) 15:48:20 <ln-> peter1138: what's the point of them in the first place? avoiding including header files? 15:48:28 <peter1138> laziness 15:51:46 <ln-> hmm, why is there that much code repetition in screenshot.c 15:52:27 <peter1138> different image formats 15:53:42 <Belugas> Hmmm... They are gotos in the code.... Maybe I should make a patch and adding some more :) 15:54:31 <ln-> the fopen part is same for every image format, perhaps the MakeNNNImage functions could eat FILE* instead of const char*. 15:56:15 *** Smoky555 [n=Smoky555@sagitta.internal.vlink.ru] has left #openttd [] 15:59:27 <Matt-W> I feel the urge to write a patch 16:00:25 <Matt-W> That's going to require figuring out something I can handle without having to spend a few weeks learning my way around all the intricacies of the source 16:00:42 <ln-> a patch for what? 16:00:54 <Matt-W> Well for OpenTTD 16:01:01 <ln-> but what would it do? 16:01:02 <Matt-W> Hate having the code bug without knowing what to write 16:01:47 <ln-> well, in fact i have written a patch for OpenTTD that doesn't do anything, and it even got accepted an committed. 16:02:03 <Darkvater> Matt-W: write a patch for multi-tile waypoints :) 16:02:39 <Matt-W> What's a multi-tile waypoint? 16:02:48 <Darkvater> you know what a waypoint is? 16:02:53 <Matt-W> yes 16:03:41 <Darkvater> a multi-tile waypoint is a waypoint that is on 2 or more tiles 16:04:01 <Matt-W> So you could serve multiple tracks from the same waypoint 16:04:02 <Darkvater> so you can add orders for a train to the same waypoint but it figures out itself which one to pick 16:04:05 <Darkvater> yes 16:04:14 <Matt-W> That'd be handy 16:04:59 <Darkvater> hmm who has mingw around and wants to try a patch? 16:05:28 <Darkvater> I'd like openttd to create a minidump on a crash so we can easily figure out what went wrong. Just the crash report is really lacking at times 16:05:39 <Matt-W> Doesn't sound like a particularly accessible patch for an OpenTTD novice though! 16:05:56 <glx> Darkvater: me 16:06:53 <Darkvater> glx: http://darkvater.openttd.org/minidump.diff <-- can you try it? 16:07:23 <Darkvater> I think we'll also need to distribute dbghelp.dll for some windows OS's, so I am still not very sure if we want it in 16:09:03 *** AciD [n=gni@tehpwnz.org] has joined #openttd 16:09:26 <glx> ===> DEP win32.c 16:09:26 <glx> win32.c:22:21: DbgHelp.h: No such file or directory 16:09:43 <Darkvater> hehe 16:09:46 <Darkvater> that was fast 16:09:56 <glx> first dep :) 16:10:33 <Darkvater> hmm, I could make it MSVC-only (releases are done with it anyways), but there is still the issue of the DLL 16:11:11 <glx> is the dll freely available? 16:11:26 <Darkvater> well it's distributable 16:12:40 <glx> if it is not too big it just need to be in the same dir as openttd.exe 16:13:01 <Darkvater> hmm 16:13:07 <Darkvater> anyone got a win2k or lower running? 16:13:26 <CIA-5> celestar * r3859 /branch/elrail/ (elrail.c table/sprites.h): 16:13:26 <CIA-5> [elrail] 16:13:26 <CIA-5> -Codechange: Changed the altitude of wires above ground from 10 to 7 and made it an enum 16:13:26 <CIA-5> -Fix: Named tunnel sprites/enums/whatever consistently (i.e. the direction of the EXIT) 16:13:26 <CIA-5> -Codechange: Removed the very preliminary drawing code for bridge heads to make way for 16:13:27 <CIA-5> something proper. 16:15:01 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B83FD5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:19:54 <ln-> i like the elrail branch 16:21:48 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|f00d 16:22:29 <Celestar> ln-: hopefully, it will not be a branch for much longer... 16:23:27 <Matt-W> I must play with it this evening 16:23:58 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [i=johekr@p54B77B8C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:24:04 <Matt-W> Is elrails something the player can turn off if they want more TTD-like play? 16:24:07 <Noldo> What is the state of graphics nowadays? 16:26:03 <ln-> Matt-W: in my opinion, people can play the first versions of openttd if they desire TTD-like play. 16:26:50 <Noldo> ln-: they are buggier 16:27:01 <ln-> well they can play 0.4.5 16:27:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> as is TTD :) 16:27:30 <Noldo> Eddi|zuHause2: :) 16:27:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> what is the fun of TTD-like play if you don't have TTD-like bugs? ;) 16:27:50 <Matt-W> That's not really what I meant... 16:27:55 <Matt-W> Personally I think elrails are a great idea 16:28:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> but i think, some options should not be options, but rather be given as a fixed gameplay 16:29:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> otherwise, the options explode fast... 16:29:22 <Matt-W> Oh yes 16:29:40 <Matt-W> From a programmer's point of view it's easier not to have any options at all 16:29:54 <Matt-W> But since one can't do that, just have to try and have as few as necessary 16:30:03 <syf> i don't think a programmers view matters much to a gamer ;) 16:30:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, i mean from a players point of view 16:30:12 <Matt-W> No, but it does to me :-) 16:32:13 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B83FD5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:32:43 <ln-> Celestar: one important feature that is missing: if one tries to build non-el track in the same tile with electrified, the track should be automatically converted to electrical instead of saying "must remove track first". 16:33:06 <ln-> now it's a pain to connect non-electrified side tracks 16:34:10 <Celestar> ln-: yes. noted. 16:34:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/elrails.jpg <- has anyone looked at this? 16:34:55 <ln-> is that pr0n? 16:35:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> hardly ;) 16:35:10 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause2: one bug is fixed. 16:35:14 <ln-> then why would someone look at it? :) 16:35:17 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause2: one bug is being addressed as we speak 16:35:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> fine ;) 16:35:39 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause2: the "suggestion" is not yet being evaluated. 16:36:28 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-02-1e-f6-09-41.k607.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 16:36:45 <ln-> what it parallel tracks next to each other had portals instead of pylons? 16:37:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> ln-: these things are planned for elrails 2.0 16:37:24 <Celestar> ln-: gimme some break please. 16:37:38 <Celestar> it's a hell of the trouble to draw a wire under a bridge 16:37:44 <Celestar> because of the fucked up perspective 16:37:57 <Matt-W> sounds unpleasant 16:38:08 <Celestar> it IS. 16:38:18 <ln-> Celestar: well i'm just thinking aloud, i'm not expecting everything I say to be implemented right away. 16:38:41 <Matt-W> I'm not a fan of graphics programming. When it works it's very satisfying, but when it doesn't it's about as welcome as sitting on a drawing pin 16:39:24 <Celestar> ln-: but you could help :) 16:40:42 <Matt-W> Oooh time to go. One day I will write some code, and you can all have fun criticising it. 16:41:31 <Celestar> hehe :) 16:42:30 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B77D2B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:43:30 <ln-> the locos do not have visible pantographs, should they? 16:43:47 <ln-> as in "should they, in the future" 16:44:28 <glx> hmm only if it is (or not) in the grf 16:45:50 <ln-> in locomotion some locos using the 3rd rail have pantographs on their roofs. :) 16:46:14 <glx> eurostar has panto but it uses third rail in GB 16:46:15 <Born_Acorn> ln-, yes, but as if you can tell with the naked eye :p 16:48:49 <Born_Acorn> and most GRF sets have electric trains with pantos. Because GRF sets were made for the Patch, which has had erails for many a year. 16:49:49 <Celestar> third rail is even more difficult than panto 16:50:06 *** Torrasque_ [n=chatzill@84-74-150-246.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:52:48 *** kujeger_II is now known as kujeger 16:53:23 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-6401.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 16:53:40 <CIA-5> celestar * r3860 /branch/elrail/ (elrail.c rail_cmd.c): -Add: depots now have wires as well 16:55:56 <ln-> didn't they already? 16:56:14 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:56:20 <Celestar> nope 16:56:24 <Celestar> not inside when you press X 16:56:49 <Celestar> ok. 16:56:53 <Celestar> away 16:57:39 *** Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 16:58:12 *** Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 16:58:25 *** Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 16:59:42 *** _Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 17:09:14 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp85-140-192-240.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 17:24:21 <peter1138> 16:52 < Celestar> third rail is even more difficult than panto 17:24:30 <peter1138> not really, you just need new ground sprites 17:25:30 <peter1138> 'twould be easy to implement, but how to distinguish vehicles with 3rd rail from catenary? 17:26:03 <peter1138> i suppose, then, you'd also want catenary + 3rd rail, for stations 'n the like 17:26:12 <peter1138> (argh) 17:26:21 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B366E0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 17:26:28 <Noldo> I wonder if it would be worthwhile to narrow some timeline like 1950 - 1970 and try to create the graphics to make that playable with free graphics 17:26:30 <peter1138> although what wouldn't be too much bother 17:26:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... my train orders just got screwed up... i haven't isolated, why... 17:27:00 <peter1138> Born_Acorn: draw me some 3rd rail graphics! 17:28:14 *** Scia [n=Scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:30:50 *** _StefaN^ [n=StefaN@nat5.mnc.pl] has quit [] 17:36:02 *** Xeryus|f00d is now known as XeryusTC 17:37:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> that might be a problem when you destroy a conventional station, and build a new electrified station... then the train order seems to get invalid somehow 17:37:44 <Celestar> back 17:38:00 <Celestar> peter1138: I mean that third rail statemen in reality, not in openttd 17:38:57 *** BurtyB [n=chris@adsl.chrisburton.info] has quit ["brb"] 17:45:04 *** DJ_Mirage [n=djmirage@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:45:59 *** TL|Away is now known as TrueLight 17:46:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... the newbridges don't have wires... 17:47:13 *** BurtyB [n=chris@adsl.chrisburton.info] has joined #openttd 17:53:37 *** Torrasque_ [n=chatzill@84-74-150-246.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #openttd 17:53:55 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-48-88.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:57:33 <CIA-5> celestar * r3861 /branch/elrail/elrail.c: -Fix: [elrail] Pylons are now always drawn if the gradient of the track changes 17:58:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> \o/ 17:59:09 <TrueLight> LOL! 17:59:11 <TrueLight> I want to update 17:59:13 <TrueLight> Makefile.config 17:59:19 <TrueLight> for that, we can run: make Makefile.config 17:59:26 <TrueLight> guess what it does before it checks Makefile.config 17:59:32 <TrueLight> lines of DEP-check 17:59:35 <TrueLight> I didn't ask for that!! 18:04:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> how can i get make to only compile the files that changed? 18:05:03 <glx> that's already what it does 18:05:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> not here... 18:05:33 <Brianetta> Eddi: Don't modify any other files... 18:07:01 <CIA-5> celestar * r3862 /branch/elrail/elrail.c: -Fix: [elrail] No longer draw two pylons (at the same position) on a tile edge 18:08:28 *** e1ko_ [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 18:09:01 <blathijs> Eddi|zuHause2: it recompiles files that changed and files that depend on them 18:09:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> ah... 18:09:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> that would explain the many files since yesterday :) 18:10:57 <CIA-5> celestar * r3863 /branch/elrail/elrail.c: -Fix [elrail] Forgot to remove a TODO in last commit :S 18:11:11 <Celestar> ok I'm out a bit, got a router to replace. 18:11:33 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 18:11:39 *** e1ko_ is now known as e1ko 18:13:59 *** TrueLight [n=kvirc@truelight.xs4all.nl] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:14:13 *** TrueLight [n=kvirc@truelight.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:16:56 <blathijs> Eddi|zuHause2: iow, chaning openttd.h or variables.h recompiles everything :-) 18:17:47 <Noldo> blathijs: :) 18:18:19 *** tokai|mdlx [n=tokai@p54B81FE9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:20:09 *** MeusH [n=kvirc@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 18:20:14 <MeusH> hello 18:20:20 <MeusH> hey MiHaMiX 18:20:22 <MeusH> hey Bjarni 18:20:36 <MeusH> oh, no sight of Bjarni here 18:21:15 *** mouse [n=mouse@IREX-GW-2.radio-msu.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:21:34 *** mouse [n=mouse@213.232.194.242] has joined #openttd 18:23:26 *** tokai|3 [n=tokai@p54B81FE9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:23:45 *** KouDy [i=KouDy@85.207.64.3] has joined #openttd 18:26:50 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: sorry, the update cancelled today 18:27:01 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: i had some other, serious task 18:27:34 *** KouDy [i=KouDy@85.207.64.3] has left #openttd [] 18:31:07 *** Angst [n=Angst@p54945D25.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:31:38 <Born_Acorn> peter1138, too many railtypes could spoil the brew! 18:35:23 <syf> especially when they don't add anything but new graphics 18:35:29 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B83FD5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:35:52 *** _Luca_ [n=luca@84.51.135.171] has joined #openttd 18:35:56 <_Luca_> Evening 18:36:02 *** Vornicus [n=vorn@64-252-98-142.adsl.snet.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:36:09 <MeusH> hey _Luca_ 18:36:10 *** Vornicus [n=vorn@64-252-98-142.adsl.snet.net] has joined #openttd 18:36:16 <MeusH> no problem Miham 18:36:23 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B83FD5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:40:41 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: maybe tomorrow i'll have some time, but i can't promise, since tomorrow there'll be a national holiday here 18:48:46 *** KouDy [i=KouDy@85.207.64.3] has joined #openttd 18:48:59 *** MeusH [n=kvirc@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:49:11 *** MeusH [n=kvirc@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 18:54:15 *** KouDy [i=KouDy@85.207.64.3] has left #openttd [] 18:55:24 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3FF8F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 18:55:30 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 19:00:17 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0/2006013012]"] 19:00:41 *** tokai|mdlx [n=tokai@p54B81FE9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:00:49 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 19:09:03 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B81FE9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:09:05 *** Prof_Fri1k [n=proffrin@cpc2-shep3-4-0-cust174.leic.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 19:09:12 <SpComb> Friik! 19:09:37 *** glx is now known as glx|away 19:10:36 <CIA-5> truelight * r3864 /trunk/ (Makefile makefiledir/Makefile.libdetection): -Fix: small problems with make-system, making room for a wrapper-configure 19:11:29 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k136.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 19:12:43 <CIA-5> truelight * r3865 /trunk/configure: 19:12:43 <CIA-5> -Add: a fully optional configure script, that is a wrapper around 19:12:43 <CIA-5> Makefile.config, inserting data directly into it. This is needed for the 19:12:43 <CIA-5> CompileFarm (nightly) and most likely it will help out many people who want 19:12:43 <CIA-5> to cross-compile. I might have missed several options out of the 19:12:43 <CIA-5> Makefile.config, but those are the needed ones for the CompileFarm. 19:15:11 *** igor2_off [i=igor2@catv-5062a55d.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 19:15:48 <CIA-5> truelight * r3866 /trunk/configure: 19:15:48 <CIA-5> -Fix: only add CXX if it is given 19:15:48 <CIA-5> Word of warning: configure _does_ delete your Makefile.config! 19:16:54 <Born_Acorn> TrueLight is trying to catch up with Celestar with commits! 19:16:58 <Born_Acorn> It is impossible! 19:17:00 <TrueLight> :p 19:17:10 <TrueLight> I am only trying to get his branch to compile at nightly rate 19:19:12 <Brianetta> Are the elrails builds built with RELEASE set to the SVN number, without an s on the end? 19:20:06 <Celestar> back 19:20:13 <TrueLight> Brianetta: sorry? 19:21:01 <Brianetta> TrueLight: The version 19:21:32 <TrueLight> it is rXXXX 19:21:33 <TrueLight> yes 19:21:34 <TrueLight> why? 19:21:46 <Brianetta> In the elrails branch, an s seems to be appended to the version unless I tell it otherwise with RELEASE 19:21:50 <CIA-5> truelight * r3867 /trunk/configure: -Add: added --debug, --profile and --revision to configure 19:22:02 <TrueLight> Celestar: did you do that? 19:22:12 <Celestar> TrueLight: not that I know of 19:22:14 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc2-shep3-4-0-cust174.leic.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:22:14 *** Prof_Fri1k is now known as Prof_Frink 19:22:18 <TrueLight> Brianetta: we know nothing about it :) 19:22:24 <TrueLight> Brianetta: I just made the binaries with make 19:22:26 <Brianetta> It's OK, as long as I know 19:22:26 <TrueLight> no RELEASE tag 19:22:37 <Brianetta> I explicitly set RELEASE 19:22:39 <TrueLight> so if the 's' is added, they are added for everything 19:22:43 <TrueLight> Brianetta: check for local changes 19:23:11 <Brianetta> I haven't changed anything on either set of sources (server or local) 19:23:18 <TrueLight> just run svn status 19:23:20 <TrueLight> to be sure 19:23:26 <Celestar> my revision number is r3866 19:23:47 <TrueLight> Celestar: please sync elrail today, then I can finish this compile-stuff :) 19:23:55 <TrueLight> (no rush btw) 19:23:58 <Celestar> TrueLight: once again, where do I put the BUGS file? 19:24:02 <TrueLight> just somewhere today, tomorrow 19:24:04 <TrueLight> Celestar: just somewhere 19:24:14 <TrueLight> I told about it because it would help out yourself 19:24:19 <Celestar> ok 19:24:20 <TrueLight> telling people already which bugs are known 19:24:24 <TrueLight> keeps people from bugging you 19:24:28 <TrueLight> or else you can call them names :) 19:24:30 <Celestar> well I have received zero emails :) 19:24:33 <TrueLight> mostly we put it in the root 19:25:21 <Celestar> peter1138: is the AI elrail-aware up to now? 19:25:32 <Celestar> TrueLight: creating that file 19:25:37 <TrueLight> good :) 19:25:43 <TrueLight> now I go and play a game 19:25:43 <TrueLight> bbl 19:25:45 <Celestar> TrueLight: with ID tags and all? 19:25:45 <Brianetta> svn status 19:25:49 <Brianetta> all files have an S or a ? 19:26:02 <Celestar> Brianetta: oh ? 19:26:12 <TrueLight> Celestar: I mostly just name them one by one, just so people know they don't have to look for it 19:26:15 <TrueLight> but make it how ever you want 19:26:20 <Celestar> ok 19:26:21 <TrueLight> Brianetta: you used --switch I assume? 19:26:25 <Brianetta> I did 19:26:38 <Brianetta> Can I tell it to be real? 19:26:44 <TrueLight> try svn update? 19:26:50 <Brianetta> Done twice already 19:27:08 <Brianetta> I've already produced two binaries at to releases 19:27:12 <Darkvater> svn revert -R . 19:27:18 <MeusH> Celestar: how about crossing railway with electrified railway? 19:27:23 <TrueLight> Brianetta: here it says the switch didn't succeed 19:27:25 <TrueLight> and is stopped 19:27:26 <MeusH> It should be possible without any breaks 19:27:26 <Brianetta> Darkvater: Again? ok. 19:27:32 <TrueLight> because of that, some dirs are still makred as S 19:27:37 <MeusH> railway should be changed to electrified railway 19:27:38 <TrueLight> but what Darkvater says most likely helps :) 19:27:43 <hylje> whats the syntax to create a warning sign in wiki 19:27:50 <Darkvater> <-- very smart person here :P 19:27:51 <MeusH> this is relatively easy issue, but very important 19:28:05 <hylje> Darkvater: lies 19:28:06 <MeusH> {warning|foo is here} 19:28:06 <Darkvater> MeusH: eh no it shouldn't 19:28:15 <Brianetta> svn revert done 19:28:17 <MeusH> Darkvater: why not? 19:28:20 <Brianetta> svn status output identical 19:28:29 <TrueLight> Brianetta: remove dir, redo checkout 19:28:31 <TrueLight> always works :) 19:28:42 <Brianetta> hang on 19:28:47 <Tron> Brianetta: --switch? what did you do? 19:28:52 <Brianetta> I have to find all the cfg files and saved games I want to keep 19:28:54 <Darkvater> MeusH: because that is not the way to go. What I could see is to change all existing electrical trains into normal (diesel) trains in old games 19:29:02 <Brianetta> Tron: switched from nightly to elrail 19:29:09 <Tron> Brianetta: NOT --switch 19:29:13 <Tron> that's WRONG 19:29:16 <MeusH> noo DV 19:29:18 <MeusH> you're wrong 19:29:27 <Brianetta> Well it was switch last time 19:29:27 <MeusH> or, we misunderstood eachother 19:29:29 <MeusH> I mean, 19:29:29 <Tron> --switch if you want to switch between different servers _with_the_same_content_ 19:29:32 <Brianetta> what should it be? 19:29:36 <TrueLight> 1. Update the working copy to mirror a new URL within the repository. 19:29:36 <TrueLight> This behaviour is similar to 'svn update', and is the way to 19:29:36 <TrueLight> move a working copy to a branch or tag within the same repository. 19:29:41 <TrueLight> Tron: the help says something else 19:29:54 <TrueLight> 'move (..) to a branch (..) within the same repos' 19:30:04 <Tron> oh, i was confused by the -- 19:30:05 <MeusH> there is a normal railway track. I build an electrified railway on the railway tile. OTTD greets me with red error message 19:30:08 <Tron> i thought of --relocate 19:30:10 <TrueLight> Tron: you mean the --relocate 19:30:16 <MeusH> but it should be coverted automaticly 19:31:09 <Darkvater> MeusH: why don't you use the 'convert rail' tool? 19:31:22 <Tron> MeusH: conversion works exactly the same as for every other rail type conversion 19:33:32 <MeusH> because it is time consuming 19:33:46 <MeusH> imagine I want to cross railway line with railway+catenary line 19:33:48 <MeusH> and what? 19:34:03 <MeusH> I have to convert railway to electrified railway 19:34:06 <Brianetta> So how do I tell my svn copy not to be switched? 19:34:26 <MeusH> I click too much, which can be avoided 19:34:29 <TrueLight> Brianetta: if the swithc was succesful, you wouldn't noticed it 19:34:35 <TrueLight> Brianetta: now, remove your dir, and do a new checkout of the branch 19:34:57 <MeusH> I'll have to download TTDPatch to see how is it done there... 19:35:31 <Brianetta> TrueLight: I could have done that before. Either somebody can tell me more about svn switch behaviour, or they can't. Which is it? 19:36:02 *** Andrew67 [n=andrew67@206.248.84.38] has joined #openttd 19:36:25 <TrueLight> Brianetta: try googling, it will tell you that when those S'es arive, it means your svn switch action gave a warning 19:36:29 <TrueLight> you clearly ignored it :p :p 19:36:35 <TrueLight> so the easiest way out is a clean checkout 19:36:36 <Brianetta> It didn't give any warnings. 19:36:42 * Brianetta is redbeaning 19:36:46 <TrueLight> I don't feel going through the bugs of SVN, do you? :) 19:36:52 <Brianetta> clean checkout isn't easy, it's expensive 19:36:56 <TrueLight> why? 19:37:01 <Brianetta> It's a lot of files 19:37:08 <TrueLight> just 20 MB going through a pipe 19:37:14 <Brianetta> Through a pipe I pay for 19:37:28 <TrueLight> against the 30 GB the server itself makes on top-hours 19:37:32 <TrueLight> I doubt you notice it :p 19:37:38 <Brianetta> It's the princiople. 19:37:42 <Brianetta> The files are OK 19:37:48 <CIA-5> celestar * r3868 /branch/elrail/BUGS: -Add: [elrail] Added a file reporting known bugs 19:37:49 <TrueLight> Then I wish you good luck in solving what went wrong :) 19:37:54 <Brianetta> so it's just a matter of learning about this daft svn thing. 19:37:57 <TrueLight> Ask in #svn or something :) 19:38:03 <Celestar> ok I'm off 19:38:07 <TrueLight> bbl :) 19:38:10 <TrueLight> bye Celestar :) 19:38:27 <zr40> if you haven't done anything after the wrong --relocate, you can relocate back to the original URI without trouble 19:40:22 <MeusH> bye Celestar 19:42:09 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 19:43:40 <Brianetta> Just repeating the svn switch command did it. 19:44:58 *** Nubian [n=nubian@mrkvovy.kokotko.sk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:45:59 <Brianetta> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=416783#416783 <-- OMG that's ugly 19:46:19 <Brianetta> Easier to see where junctions are, sure, but it's really hideous 19:46:35 <hylje> not really any variation 19:46:40 <hylje> its rly too futuristic 19:46:47 <Brianetta> Looks liek road 19:46:53 <Brianetta> Especially the bridges 19:47:05 <Brianetta> I honestly thought he'd included some random newgrf road bridges in the shot 19:48:00 <syf> what on earth is that 19:48:07 <Brianetta> Maglev replacement. 19:48:17 <syf> rofl 19:48:20 <Brianetta> Isn't it awful? 19:48:40 <syf> looks like someone hit me so hard i went back to 1990 19:48:46 <syf> 286 graphics ftw! 19:48:46 <Aankhen``> ouch. 19:49:02 <Aankhen``> It's so... blank. 19:49:07 <Aankhen``> Featureless. 19:49:16 <Brianetta> It's so big, too 19:49:27 <Aankhen``> Brianetta: That wouldn't be such an issue if it had some texture. 19:49:36 <Brianetta> The light grey and white components could be completely removed, and it'd still look better 19:49:44 <Aankhen``> I suppose. 19:49:45 <syf> kind of reminds me of the circuitry on a board on a pcb 19:49:49 <syf> bet you can draw a motherboard with it 19:49:58 <Aankhen``> ROTFL. 19:50:36 <Brianetta> Starting with the original TT graphics for monorail and widening it by about six pixels would be ideal, I think. 19:51:16 <SpComb> what does parallel diagonal track look like? 19:52:46 <Brianetta> More of the same. 19:53:28 <SpComb> hmm, I guess it has seperate sprites 19:54:27 <Brianetta> The original maglev bits left in the shot just put into stark relief how much the author of these new graphics shouldn't have bothered. 19:58:49 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498E83C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Ciao"] 20:01:38 *** igor2_off [i=igor2@catv-5062a55d.catv.broadband.hu] has quit ["good night"] 20:03:39 <syf> is that a pic of gkirilov's mother in his avatar 20:06:37 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x50a46abc.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:06:39 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 20:06:45 <Bjarni> hi people 20:06:48 <Bjarni> I'm finally home 20:06:55 <Bjarni> (long day) 20:06:57 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498E83C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:11:16 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B366E0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:12:45 <Qball> damn, home allready 20:13:12 <MeusH> hey Bjarni 20:13:28 <Bjarni> hi MeusH 20:13:36 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176125084.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:15:45 *** Born-Acorn [n=bornacor@ACD89237.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 20:17:30 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 20:17:45 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has joined #openttd 20:17:48 *** stefan is now known as stefan___ 20:18:37 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-20288.otenet.gr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:22:44 <peter1138> i am back 20:23:30 <Kuja^> *runs* :o 20:23:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> now we're gonna get terminated? 20:24:07 <peter1138> if you wish 20:24:10 <peter1138> and yuck 20:24:15 <peter1138> @ the maglev 20:24:33 *** Zajin [n=zajin@dslb-088-072-033-087.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:24:50 *** Nubian [n=nubian@mrkvovy.kokotko.sk] has joined #openttd 20:25:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah... that word pretty much describes it :) 20:27:22 <Born-Acorn> What maglev? 20:27:38 <MeusH> that thing moving toward us? 20:27:44 <MeusH> *slap* 20:27:48 * MeusH got ran over a maglev 20:27:52 <Born-Acorn> Seriously. 20:28:03 <MeusH> no idea 20:28:04 * Born-Acorn threatens goldfish 20:28:20 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACD89237.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 20:28:23 *** Born-Acorn is now known as Born_Acorn 20:29:34 * Eddi|zuHause2 gets a -/_ confusion 20:31:57 <Born_Acorn> Oh. You mean gkirilov's Maglev Tracks. 20:32:01 <Born_Acorn> Yes. Yuck. 20:33:43 *** glx|away is now known as glx 20:39:46 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B81FE9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:39:46 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B81FE9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:43:00 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B81FE9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:48:39 <RoySmeding> ew. 20:49:32 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B81FE9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:49:46 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0/2006013012]"] 20:50:25 *** RoySmeding [i=1000@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:56:11 <CIA-5> truelight * r3869 /trunk/configure: -Fix: don't use OS in configure, some system have that defined ;) 20:59:05 <CIA-5> truelight * r3870 /trunk/configure: -Fix: missed one item in last commit, tnx glx :) 21:01:21 <Bjarni> TrueLight! 21:01:32 <Matt-W> Does anyone else find when you're playing TTD that you reach a point where suddenly you realise that you're stinking rich and can knock down that irritating mountain that's been bugging you so much? 21:01:48 <Bjarni> TrueLight: I wonder if you could add the OSX target to the script to make nightly builds of elrails 21:02:06 <Bjarni> it's no fun to backtrace what revision you compiled and then do it manually :( 21:02:20 <TrueLight> so much work to find the revision! Oh no! IT IS IN THE FILENAME! 21:02:41 <Bjarni> OTTD-win32-elrail-r3..> 14-Mar-2006 15:48 1.3M 21:02:42 <TrueLight> besides, I told you: you test GPMI on OSX, I make the compile-farm to work for OSX :) (it is work in progress btw, the configure was 50% of the job) 21:02:50 <TrueLight> now hold your mouse on the link 21:02:50 <Bjarni> is it hidden as .. ? 21:02:52 <TrueLight> yes, you can do it 21:03:23 * Born_Acorn 's sarcasm detector has overloaded and imploded 21:03:28 <TrueLight> :) 21:03:39 <Bjarni> ahh, you hide it in the .. 21:03:40 <TrueLight> It is just such a stupid question.. the files are named witth he revision 21:03:45 <Bjarni> then it's a bit less work 21:03:45 <TrueLight> it is in the forum posts 21:03:48 <TrueLight> Bjarni: I don't do anything! 21:04:00 <Bjarni> I have to do all of it manually :( 21:04:02 *** Aankhen`` [n=pockled@203.101.29.55] has quit [""Criminal Lawyer", a redundancy [Time wasted online: 13hrs 6mins 39secs]"] 21:04:25 <TrueLight> Bjarni: even Rome wasn't build in one day 21:04:32 <Brianetta> Well dug 21:04:34 <Brianetta> duh 21:04:39 <Brianetta> which city was? 21:04:49 <TrueLight> in fact, most are 21:04:53 <TrueLight> because at some point in time 21:04:54 <Bjarni> <TrueLight> besides, I told you: you test GPMI on OSX, I make the compile-farm to work for OSX :) (it is work in progress btw, the configure was 50% of the job) <-- what should I do? 21:04:59 <Bjarni> checkout, compile 21:05:00 <TrueLight> someone says: he, those 3 houses together 21:05:01 <Bjarni> and then what? 21:05:06 <TrueLight> we call <..> 21:05:11 <TrueLight> so, it was built in one day :) 21:05:17 <TrueLight> Bjarni: 'make test' 21:05:19 <Brianetta> s/built/named/ 21:05:21 <TrueLight> told you that several times :) 21:05:24 <Bjarni> also, you need to wait until it's done compiling the elrail build ;) 21:05:25 <TrueLight> Brianetta: k, point 21:05:31 <TrueLight> bbl 21:05:37 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B81FE9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:05:47 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B81FE9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:06:27 <MeusH> The B0rk - The leader of OwnedTTD 21:08:13 <TrueLight> MeusH: lol 21:08:16 <TrueLight> PlanetSide keeps on crashing 21:08:17 <TrueLight> bah 21:13:42 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B81FE9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 21:18:12 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B81FE9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:21:01 <Bjarni> btw something happened at uni today 21:21:10 <TrueLight> lol 21:21:12 <TrueLight> good you were there then 21:21:15 <Bjarni> one guy started playing OTTD 21:21:17 <TrueLight> I always come in at the uni 21:21:19 <TrueLight> and nothing happens 21:21:20 <TrueLight> really boring 21:21:22 <TrueLight> no teachers 21:21:24 <TrueLight> no students 21:21:26 <TrueLight> really boring 21:21:27 <TrueLight> (sorry :p) 21:21:41 <Bjarni> and other people saw that and all of a sudden it had switched from doing the task he had to do to playtime 21:22:00 <Bjarni> o_O 21:22:04 <Bjarni> that never happened before 21:22:07 <TrueLight> lol 21:22:09 <Bjarni> not with any game at all 21:22:11 <TrueLight> OpenTTD makes people bad :p 21:24:12 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Whoopsy"] 21:24:20 <Darkvater> --debug) 21:24:20 <Darkvater> 21:24:20 <Darkvater> 60 21:24:21 <Darkvater> PARAM="$PARAM DEBUG=1" 21:24:27 <Darkvater> what happened to DEBUG=3? 21:24:54 *** Torrasque_ [n=chatzill@84-74-150-246.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.69.3 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006011112]"] 21:26:14 <Born_Acorn> Oh noes. RSpeed wants me. 21:26:49 <Born_Acorn> Bornacorn, I\'ve seen your site and it looks interesting I think it\'s better then mine: www.freewebs.com/rspeed 21:26:49 <Born_Acorn> But I saw your multistory carpark without cars. 21:26:49 <Born_Acorn> I\'ll was wondering if I could have youre permission to draw a version with cars? 21:26:49 <Born_Acorn> I think it would look more real in a big town with cars. 21:27:14 <Born_Acorn> hide me! 21:27:22 * hylje hides Born_Acorn in a tree 21:27:42 <Bjarni> TrueLight: so that configure thing is an attempt to do what? 21:27:48 <Bjarni> remove Makefile.config? 21:28:15 <TrueLight> Bjarni: no 21:28:21 <TrueLight> do you ever read svn logs? 21:28:43 <TrueLight> anyway, the configure file, ehader, explicitly says: it is a _wrapper_ around Makefile.config, for easy configuration 21:28:49 <TrueLight> Darkvater: if you want that, add it :p 21:28:49 <Darkvater> TrueLight: can we have --debug=3 or something? :) 21:28:56 <TrueLight> Darkvater: sure, go ahead, feel free 21:29:05 <Darkvater> TrueLight: but you are so into it :) 21:29:10 <Bjarni> I DO read the logs, just now I got flooded with mail :( 21:29:40 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r3871 /trunk/openttd.vcproj: 21:29:40 <CIA-5> - [win32] Remove mapfile generation and generate a pdb file instead. This and 21:29:40 <CIA-5> the corresponding executable is enough to trace the source of a crash given by 21:29:40 <CIA-5> crash.txt by using WinDbg for example. Mapfiles are a bit deprecated in the 21:29:40 <CIA-5> newer VS environments. 21:30:40 *** Angst [n=Angst@p54945D25.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["n8"] 21:31:14 <Bjarni> TrueLight: I have detected a few flaws in the design in the universal binary diff I sent you, so I have decided to redo it with lipo. Too bad if you can't get that to work 21:31:53 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r3872 /trunk/ (ottdres.rc win32.c): - [win32] Show the revision in crash.txt and enable the button to show the crash text in the crash-window 21:32:11 <Bjarni> nice 21:32:32 <Bjarni> dammit, uploading to the forum is always slow :( 21:32:47 <TrueLight> that really is your connection, I can assure you that :) 21:32:48 <Bjarni> and it always finishes just as I start to talk about it 21:34:14 <Bjarni> I hate to ask a negative question, but - why electric rails? Who decided this was a good idea? I thought everyone already hated having three different track types, why add another one when it just seems (at first glance at least) to add more valueless complexity and maintenance tedium to the game? 21:34:15 <Bjarni> LOL 21:34:24 <Bjarni> (posted in the elrail thread) 21:34:47 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 21:34:58 <Qball> I think normal railway should be longer supported in the game 21:35:17 <CIA-5> truelight * r3873 /trunk/configure: 21:35:17 <CIA-5> -Fix: don't remove Makefile.config if it isn't there in the first place 21:35:17 <CIA-5> -Add: allow --debug=3 to enable DEBUG lvl 3 (--debug results in a lvl 1) 21:35:30 <TrueLight> here Darkvater, a cookie, now go sit in the corner 21:35:35 *** Scia [n=Scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:35:42 <Darkvater> you bitch 21:35:46 <glx> :) 21:35:48 <Darkvater> I just added it locally 21:36:06 <TrueLight> you didn't add this ;) 21:36:11 <TrueLight> it needed a bit more work to make it pretty 21:36:18 <TrueLight> --debug=3, --debug 3 and --debug are now accepted 21:36:27 <Darkvater> and --debug=2? 21:36:29 <Bjarni> TrueLight: checking out the newest revision of gpmi right now ;) 21:36:31 <Darkvater> :P 21:36:48 <TrueLight> even --debug=darkvaterisabitchbutheknowsthatsoIwontsayitagain works 21:37:36 <Darkvater> TrueLight: it's probably better you added it cause my version copied the release=* part with awk and BEGIN and other magic :) 21:37:52 <TrueLight> ;) 21:38:01 <TrueLight> I added some lines explaining a view ins and outs 21:38:02 <TrueLight> but okay 21:38:34 <Bjarni> TrueLight: oops, got some gpmi version of OTTD. Where did you place GPMI itself? 21:38:41 <Darkvater> you think I understand it? :P 21:38:59 <TrueLight> Bjarni: let's take this off this channel 21:40:28 * Brianetta responds to the thread 21:42:05 *** Spoco [i=Spoco@dsl-083-102-066-216.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 21:42:36 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:42:37 <Darkvater> " a view ins and outs" <-- hehe :P 21:44:15 <Darkvater> Tron: making the R in center is impossible unless I make the circle around it a non-circle 21:44:24 <Darkvater> it's either off-center to the right or to the left 21:51:40 *** AciD [n=gni@unaffiliated/acid] has quit [Client Quit] 21:52:56 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-20288.otenet.gr] has joined #OpenTTD 21:57:41 *** TPK [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 21:58:38 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 21:58:51 *** TPK is now known as ThePizzaKing 22:01:10 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 22:04:26 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-02-1e-f6-09-41.k607.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 22:08:22 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B366E0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 22:10:46 *** Scia [n=Scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd ["leaving..."] 22:24:30 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-6401.bb.online.no] has quit ["Que?"] 22:30:09 *** Sacro [i=Ben@87.102.20.101] has joined #openttd 22:30:14 <Sacro> evening all 22:30:36 *** CobraA1 [n=Jeremiah@cpe-024-088-000-194.sc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:31:45 <MeusH> hey Sacro 22:32:20 <Sacro> MeusH: how are you? 22:34:05 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-48-88.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 22:35:14 <MeusH> I'm fine, thanks. I've been fooling around with electrified railways 22:35:21 <MeusH> thinking about OTTD 22:35:24 <MeusH> ideas... 22:35:26 <MeusH> and you? 22:35:36 <Sacro> im catching up with what ive missed over the last month 22:36:05 <MeusH> oh, besides, I've got lots of homework to do, but OTTD simply rocks. OTTD owns the school. 22:36:25 <MeusH> Sacro: You've had a community break? 22:36:26 <ThePizzaKing> It's Sacro!! :o 22:36:52 <ThePizzaKing> oh well, off to get a hair cut (or maybe multiple hairs cut) 22:37:01 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.72 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006011112]"] 22:38:17 *** alastair [n=agh@220-244-72-6.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:38:25 <Sacro> MeusH: ive lost my internet connection, so im having to use my mums :( 22:41:56 <MeusH> that's pity 22:42:07 <MeusH> I have problems with WinXP to Win98 connection 22:42:10 <MeusH> typicall... 22:42:16 <MeusH> and I can't print (yet) 22:42:36 <MeusH> however, I've had a format C recently and lot of stuff is to-do 22:42:41 <MeusH> like plugging the printer 22:42:44 <MeusH> brb 22:42:47 *** MeusH [n=kvirc@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit ["KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'"] 22:45:14 <peter1138> back again, finally o_O 22:45:37 <Darkvater> 'ello :) 22:45:59 *** MeusH [n=kvirc@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 22:46:05 <MeusH> back 22:46:58 <Sacro> welcome back 22:47:00 <Sacro> hello peter1138 22:48:16 <peter1138> 'puter exploded :( 22:48:26 <Sacro> ooh, nasty 22:49:18 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|Bed 22:49:28 <peter1138> found an ubuntu cd 22:49:30 <peter1138> running that 22:49:38 <peter1138> first command: sudu passwd :P 22:50:20 <Sacro> lol, im back under XP 22:50:35 <peter1138> XP blew up 22:50:36 <peter1138> well 22:50:43 <peter1138> actually my pc blew up, and killed XP 22:50:48 <peter1138> won't boot 22:51:08 <Sacro> i think Safedisc killed windows on my pc 22:51:20 <peter1138> hmm, this cd's ancient 22:51:25 <peter1138> Warty Warthog 22:51:27 <peter1138> *preview* 22:51:30 <peter1138> 20041020 22:51:30 <peter1138> lol 22:51:38 <Sacro> hmm, thats old 22:51:41 <Darkvater> wtf 22:52:09 <Darkvater> gaah idiot 22:52:22 <peter1138> what's the current version? heh 22:52:31 <peter1138> somehow i've ended up with no X... 22:52:31 <tank> breezy afaik 22:53:02 * peter1138 updatifies 22:53:34 <peter1138> dist-upgrade, 93MB :( 22:53:44 <Sacro> ouch 22:54:49 <peter1138> right 22:54:54 <peter1138> sod that, sleep :D 22:55:08 <peter1138> wasted 3 hours of valuable coding time :( 22:55:16 <peter1138> AND the missus is complaining it's late :( 22:55:53 <Sacro> right, thats the nightlys grabbed 22:56:24 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r3874 /trunk/settings_gui.c: - Codechange: move the extern decleration of _patches_newgame inside the WE_CREATE event because it is only used there. 22:56:35 *** DJ_Mirage [n=djmirage@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:57:32 *** Schamane_ [n=schamane@p5498E242.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:57:43 *** DJ_Mirage [n=djmirage@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 22:58:48 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r3875 /trunk/ (intro_gui.c settings.c): 22:58:48 <CIA-5> - [Patches] Fix up the intro menu so the right values for the mapsize are shown 22:58:48 <CIA-5> (the default ones). Setting the value involves a small hack in that we also set 22:58:48 <CIA-5> the _patches value because that is used for world-generation and only inside 22:58:48 <CIA-5> there do the values get copied from _newgame 22:58:49 <CIA-5> - [Patches] Fix a stupid, stupid bug where I used sizeof() as length instead of strlen() in getting console values for patches. 23:00:23 *** DJ_Mirage [n=djmirage@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:00:23 *** DjViper [i=djviper@mishima-empire.h-nett.no] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:00:23 *** MeusH [n=kvirc@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Success] 23:00:26 *** MeusH [n=kvirc@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 23:00:41 *** DjViper [i=djviper@mishima-empire.h-nett.no] has joined #Openttd 23:01:22 *** DJ_Mirage [n=djmirage@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 23:02:26 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498E83C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:05:30 *** Sacro [i=Ben@87.102.20.101] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:09:33 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has joined #openttd 23:09:59 *** stefan___ [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:10:02 *** CobraA1 [n=Jeremiah@cpe-024-088-000-194.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 23:12:00 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 23:12:13 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has joined #openttd 23:12:23 <MeusH> I'm feeling bad 23:12:26 <MeusH> cya 23:12:30 *** MeusH [n=kvirc@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit ["KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'"] 23:13:42 *** Sacro [i=Ben@adsl-213-249-225-174.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:13:53 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:14:22 <Sacro> right, what decent openttd stuff is there now 23:19:07 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B81FE9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 23:21:21 *** Cheery [i=Henri@a81-197-45-47.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:21:36 *** Sacro [i=Ben@adsl-213-249-225-174.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:23:28 *** _Luca_ [n=luca@84.51.135.171] has quit ["O_o Crazy fools! o_O"] 23:28:06 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r3876 /trunk/rail_cmd.c: - Fix: We know on a level crossing's town owner of the road (if any); it is in m2 so properly set it back when the crossing's removed. 23:36:19 *** Sacro [i=Ben@adsl-213-249-187-154.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:41:15 <Bjarni> hi Sacro 23:41:24 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [n=Qrr@p54A7F407.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["http://mir.ist-langweilig.de/oh_man.jpg/"] 23:41:33 <Bjarni> somebody asked for you 23:42:12 <Bjarni> I'm not sure, but I think it was the guy, who needed somebody to port OTTD to Nitendo DS 23:42:26 <Bjarni> do you have such a device? 23:43:37 <Sacro> i did, but ive left it at my dads, and he doesnt appear to be in the country 23:45:09 <glx> Bjarni: you mean alexfili? 23:45:41 <Bjarni> yeah 23:45:49 *** CobraA1 [n=Jeremiah@cpe-024-088-000-194.sc.res.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 23:45:52 <Bjarni> the guy that got accepted on qdb.us :D 23:46:15 <Bjarni> <Sacro> i did, but ive left it at my dads, and he doesnt appear to be in the country <-- you are that cruel to your parents? 23:46:34 <TrueLight> night all 23:46:42 <Bjarni> :p 23:47:28 <Bjarni> Sacro: besides only ALexFili thinks it's a great idea, so it's not like you have to hurry to make such a port 23:47:46 <Bjarni> if you really want to code, I guess time can be better spent elsewhere ;) 23:48:26 <Sacro> i havent spoken to him for 10 days, so i called him up, (wanting a lift!) and i got an international sounding dialtone 23:48:46 <Bjarni> heh 23:48:53 <Bjarni> so he left the country without telling you 23:49:03 <Sacro> he mentioned something about going away for a week, but i dunno where 23:49:05 <Bjarni> I guess you were always asleep when he tried to tell you :p 23:49:49 <Sacro> most likely 23:50:03 <Sacro> i cant get linux to connect via a windows pc using ICS 23:50:17 <Bjarni> btw since we didn't see you in here, I wondered if you actually took my advice on trying not to sleep all day and actually leave your home to see what the world looks like 23:50:25 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B81FE9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:50:30 <Bjarni> you know, it's white at the moment 23:50:59 <Sacro> yes, i noticed at 4am this morning that it had snowed, but its all gone round here now 23:51:00 <Bjarni> and if you look at the calendar, it should be spring 23:51:17 <Sacro> spring in the UK starts on the 21st i think 23:51:18 <Bjarni> so there is a desync somewhere 23:51:34 <Sacro> i can ping the windows pc, but not out 23:51:48 <Sacro> connect: Network is unreachable 23:52:03 <Bjarni> oh, that reminds me 23:52:11 <Bjarni> the guy on bash.org that lost a computer 23:52:21 <Sacro> oh? 23:52:22 <BurtyB> Sacro, gateway on linux is set to windows box? if it is then prob windows isnt setup propa like 23:52:24 <Bjarni> it replied to pings, but he failed to find it in his flat 23:52:44 <Sacro> Bjarni: yeah ive had that, i quite often have to phone my mobile to find it 23:53:02 <Bjarni> but a computer on the LAN? 23:53:09 <Bjarni> just follow the cables 23:53:15 <Bjarni> or something similar 23:53:17 <Sacro> BurtyB: love the geordie accent! yeah, nameserver 192.168.0.0 in /etc/resolv.conf 23:53:39 <BurtyB> err you configure your gateway in /etc/resolv.conf? 23:54:10 * BurtyB looks out of his window and sees geordieland 23:54:21 <glx> 192.168.0.0 <-- looks wrong for me 23:54:50 <BurtyB> indeed, it looks wrong for both a gateway and a nameserver 23:55:15 <Sacro> 0.1 i mean 23:55:32 <Sacro> i think Norton is blocking me 23:56:01 <BurtyB> quite possibly... 23:57:37 *** dp_ [n=dp@p54B2C8F4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:57:46 <Sacro> im in the trusted zone