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00:02:17 <Sacro> ah well, bed time, night all 00:03:08 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@87.102.20.55] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 00:07:56 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k136.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 00:09:50 *** egladil [n=egladil@frukt.csbnet.se] has joined #openttd 00:10:20 <CIA-3> richk * r5185 /branch/MiniIN/ (langs.vcproj openttd.sln openttd.vcproj strgen/strgen.vcproj): 00:10:20 <CIA-3> [MiniIN]: Correction to VS .vcproj files. 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04:58:55 <Smoky555> i found ... changeset 5155 :( 05:05:06 <roboman> bye 05:05:11 *** roboman is now known as robobrb 05:09:34 *** Smoky555 [i=ukq033fn@sagitta.internal.vlink.ru] has left #openttd [] 05:32:36 *** robobrb is now known as roboman 05:41:43 *** Osai^zZz [n=Osai@p54B3764D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 06:01:42 *** peter1138 [n=peter@svn.bucks.net] has joined #openttd 06:17:43 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 06:31:54 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-164-217.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:34:35 <CIA-3> peter1138 * r5186 /trunk/ (aircraft.h aircraft_cmd.c aircraft_gui.c): - NewGRF: show default aircraft cargo type and the purchase list (mart3p) 06:45:12 * roboman dinner 06:45:17 *** roboman is now known as robodinner 06:51:45 *** Hallo is now known as Ha11o 07:04:00 <CIA-3> peter1138 * r5187 /trunk/ (aircraft_cmd.c train_cmd.c): - NewGRF: temporarily change a vehicle's cargo subtype when calling the refit capacity callback. 07:09:59 <CIA-3> peter1138 * r5188 /trunk/ (ship_cmd.c ship_gui.c): - NewGRF: check refit capacity callback when refitting a ship 07:14:01 *** Aankhen`` [n=pockled@203.101.10.182] has joined #openttd 07:19:42 *** robodinner is now known as roboman 07:21:34 *** roboman [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["off to scout camp"] 07:27:34 *** Ha11o [n=me@c094.fem.tu-ilmenau.de] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:30:48 *** ProfFrink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 07:38:34 <CIA-3> tron * r5189 /branch/bridge/ (bridge_map.c bridge_map.h): Simplify a bit of code 07:39:41 <CIA-3> tron * r5190 /branch/bridge/openttd.c: Simplify a check, use enum instead of magic number, fix some cases where vehicles were incorrectly not flagged as 'on bridge' 07:44:17 <peter1138> morning tron 07:45:28 <CIA-3> peter1138 * r5191 /trunk/ (6 files in 2 dirs): - NewGRF: add cargo refit support for road vehicles 07:48:08 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:48:09 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 07:49:23 *** TinoM [n=Tino@83.135.215.252] has joined #openttd 07:50:27 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has joined #openttd 07:52:58 *** Igor2_off [i=igor2@catv-506284ed.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 07:53:01 <Igor2_off> hi 07:53:24 <Igor2_off> what's the easiest way to make a dedicated server tell something to every player that joins? 07:53:27 <Igor2_off> (motd) 07:54:21 <Prof_Frink> brianetta's autopilot thingy 08:00:25 <Igor2_off> could you give me an url? 08:04:21 <Darkvater> on_client.scr 08:04:23 <Darkvater> morning 08:04:46 <Igor2_off> thanx :) 08:07:44 <Igor2_off> hmmz 08:08:00 <Igor2_off> on_client runs when i'm a client that joins a server it seems 08:08:18 <peter1138> hello Darkvater 08:08:37 <peter1138> hmm, 6 commits already :D 08:12:23 <Darkvater> Igor2_off: heh, could be ;p 08:12:23 <Darkvater> peter1138: morning. I think I figured out the terraform problem (at least in my head) 08:12:23 <peter1138> cool 08:12:23 <Darkvater> it could be totally wrong of course 08:12:24 <Igor2_off> ok, so i need to patch, bbl :) 08:12:24 <peter1138> or brianetta's autopilot, which is an expect script (iirc) that runs the server 08:12:24 *** _Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:12:28 *** _Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 08:13:08 <Igor2_off> >Peter> could you give me an url? :) 08:13:39 <peter1138> looking for it 08:14:15 <peter1138> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=22846 08:14:23 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B81C1F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:14:44 <Igor2_off> thanx 08:15:25 *** shintah [i=bebble@bebble.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined #openttd 08:16:19 *** Zerot_ [i=Zerot@g35026.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 08:16:27 *** Zerot [i=Zerot@g35026.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:17:28 *** Igor2_off [i=igor2@catv-506284ed.catv.broadband.hu] has left #openttd [] 08:20:35 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x53589062.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 08:20:38 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 08:26:25 <CIA-3> peter1138 * r5192 /trunk/command.c: - Stylechange: fix bjarni's tabs-instead-of-spaces alignment 08:26:32 <peter1138> ^^ most important commit ever! 08:28:22 *** Nubian [i=nubian@chello085216196217.chello.sk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:31:05 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-164-217.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["And he disappears, like a fox, in the night."] 08:32:01 <Bjarni> while you are at your commit frenzy, can you backport the multiheaded fix I committed yesterday? 08:32:14 <Bjarni> r5175 08:33:24 <CIA-3> tron * r5193 /branch/bridge/ (bridge_map.h openttd.c): Store the direction of bridge ramps as DiagDirection instead of Axis + north/south 08:36:19 <CIA-3> tron * r5194 /branch/bridge/ (openttd.c saveload.c): Bring the savegame version check for converting bridges closer to reality 08:37:01 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #openttd 08:39:18 <peter1138> Tron: please tag with [bridge] or something? (ok, so the /branch/bridge/ implies it, but..) 08:40:34 <Tron> what for? svn log in trunk (or anywhere else except in branch/bridge) doesn't show these logs 08:43:40 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has joined #openttd 08:43:48 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3CF02.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 08:44:14 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3CF02.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:44:34 <RichK67> hi all 08:46:55 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:48:45 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #openttd 08:53:47 <RichK67> Darkvater, Tron, Bjarni, MihaMix, Belugas, peter1138 ping 08:54:19 *** TinoM [n=Tino@83.135.215.252] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 08:55:05 <RichK67> dammit - gotta dash... back in 5 09:01:24 <Bjarni> 1 09:01:25 <Bjarni> 2 09:01:25 <Bjarni> 3 09:01:26 <Bjarni> 4 09:01:26 <Bjarni> 5 09:01:59 <RichK67> back 09:02:42 <RichK67> ok - now the bridges stuff is no longer in trunk, can we reconsider my New Airports patch?? 09:02:52 <Bjarni> hmm 09:03:03 <Bjarni> maybe later 09:03:08 <Bjarni> I'm working ;) 09:03:44 <Bjarni> (I would like to see that patch in the trunk, but I haven't got the time to proofread it) 09:04:15 <RichK67> sure, Darkvater has been through it with a fine tooth-comb, and ive done all the changes needed 09:05:35 <Bjarni> then maybe Darkvater will commit it tonight when he returns 09:06:41 <Bjarni> it sounds like he took a closer look than I did and he also knows airport stuff way better than me, since he designed and coded it 09:06:46 <RichK67> Belugas wanted to get all the devs to verify it (god knows why; its tight, and well tested ;) ) 09:08:14 <Bjarni> if Darkvater says it's ok, then it's ok for me as well 09:08:33 <RichK67> thanks; ill quote you on that ;) 09:08:50 <Bjarni> if everybody should read all patches before it gets committed, then we would never commit anything, simply due to lack of time 09:08:58 <Bjarni> read= read and understand 09:09:44 <Bjarni> we have to remember that adding something to the trunk is not the same as it is final. We can still tweak it if needed 09:09:54 <RichK67> yeah, thats what i thought; i will dread trying to explain my terrain generator if i have to do that for all devs 09:10:17 <RichK67> NewAirports is simple in comparison 09:14:16 <peter1138> personally i'd rather not see more hard coded airports 09:14:58 <RichK67> well, im not doing any more after this; the next airport project has to be newgrf airports 09:23:32 <Darkvater> Belugas was right about the saveload stuff so I'll needa have another look at the diff with respect to saveload-compatibility 09:31:53 <CIA-3> miham * r5195 /trunk/lang/ (hungarian.txt italian.txt): 09:31:53 <CIA-3> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-06-09 11:31:37 09:31:53 <CIA-3> hungarian - 4 fixed by miham (4) 09:31:53 <CIA-3> italian - 1 changed by sidew (1) 09:32:22 <MiHaMiX> bbl, fixint WT2's {STRINGx} stuff 09:32:27 <MiHaMiX> s/nt/ng/ 09:34:06 <RichK67> yup, but it will only change one character ;) 28 -> 29 ;) 09:36:09 <RichK67> the only "new" thing saved anywhere is the stationId, which will gain 4 extra enums; so bumping the revision will be all that is required 09:37:54 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has joined #openttd 09:37:55 <peter1138> MiHaMiX: \o/ 09:40:18 <peter1138> MiHaMiX: hmm, s/fixed/added/, surely? 09:40:47 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: no, it's already implemented, somehow it didn't checked properly 09:40:53 <peter1138> heh 09:41:03 <MiHaMiX> afair :) 09:48:45 <peter1138> irq 11: nobody cared! 09:48:48 <peter1138> that's... hmm... 09:48:58 <MiHaMiX> :D 09:49:16 <MiHaMiX> hmm 09:49:37 <MiHaMiX> my memories were bad. I forgot to implement the check :-( 09:50:07 <Darkvater> RichK67: still, I needa lookie 09:51:00 <hylje> :> 09:52:10 <RichK67> np - ill sort it at home early tonite; will you be available around 19:00-1945 CEST? 09:52:33 <peter1138> tonight :P 09:52:50 <Darkvater> perhaps, not sure 09:52:55 <Darkvater> going to pick up parents from Airport 09:53:07 <RichK67> Commuter or Intercontinental ;) 09:53:43 <Darkvater> hmm 09:53:47 <Darkvater> Schiphol 09:53:57 <RichK67> biggy :) 09:53:58 <Darkvater> eek 09:54:03 *** Zbeynex [n=Sean@82-71-32-147.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:54:12 <RichK67> definitely a hub 09:54:26 <Darkvater> 6 runways 09:56:16 <RichK67> ive gotta create a hub with diagonal runway sometime :) but maybe for newgrf airports 09:57:16 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 09:57:41 <hylje> :o 09:58:28 <RichK67> diagonal *has* to be square though 09:58:58 <hylje> that makes sense really 09:59:56 <RichK67> or rather, it must be at least square; the diagonal must be at 45 degrees to normal; not 30 degrees. but the airport can be bigger 10:00:11 *** Osai^zZz [n=Osai@p54B3764D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:00:15 <RichK67> you'll know what i mean when i make one ;) 10:10:17 *** Cxaxukluth [n=Sean@82-71-32-147.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:15:32 *** Skiddles^ [n=Skiddles@cm75.epsilon120.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 10:44:43 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176120135.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:56:53 *** CmdKewin [n=cmdkewin@212.243.72.197] has joined #openTTD 10:58:28 *** iridium [n=iridium@host-84-9-208-77.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #openttd 10:59:50 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-213-249-239-6.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:02:24 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a85-156-237-102.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 11:06:08 <Sacro> afternoon all 11:16:59 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-65.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 11:30:19 *** Hallo [n=me@c094.fem.tu-ilmenau.de] has joined #openttd 11:57:18 <peter1138> hmm 11:57:35 <peter1138> NETWORK_REVISION_LENGTH... anyone see any issues if that's increased to 15? 11:59:09 <Sacro> well surely the shortest can be "norev000" which is 8 12:00:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> certainly, "rxxxx branchname" is longer ;) 12:01:52 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: well ive never seen that so it doesnt count! :P 12:06:17 <XeryusTC> branchname isn't included afaik 12:11:15 *** CIA-19 [i=cia@69.90.211.97] has joined #openttd 12:11:15 *** CIA-3 [i=cia@cia.navi.cx] has quit [] 12:11:36 *** CIA-19 [i=cia@69.90.211.97] has quit [Client Quit] 12:13:09 *** CIA-3 [i=cia@cia.navi.cx] has joined #openttd 12:18:39 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause2: but yes, that's exactly my point 12:18:49 <peter1138> r5200M-bridge 12:18:51 <peter1138> is quite long 12:18:56 <peter1138> longer than 10... 12:19:26 <peter1138> as i understand the code, the existing network code will crop longer names to 10, so it should be compatible 12:20:10 <Darkvater> don't think making string longer will add any incompatibilities 12:20:17 <Darkvater> 1. new clients just get the longer string 12:20:26 <Darkvater> 2. old clients if somehow they join, just trim it 12:20:43 <MiHaMiX> ok 12:21:15 <MiHaMiX> WT2 is fixed and now should be working properly (no more wrong {P ...} and {STRINGn} params) 12:22:41 <Sacro> lol @ steptoe and son 12:24:09 <Darkvater> MiHaMiX: we'll hold you to it :) 12:24:44 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: ok 12:25:01 <peter1138> Darkvater: that's what i wanted to make sure :) 12:25:32 *** paulstuffins [n=paulstuf@host-84-9-15-207.bulldogdsl.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:27:07 *** kujeger_work [n=kujeger@pc-99-88.p52.hio.no] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:29:17 *** kujeger_work [n=kujeger@pc-99-88.p52.hio.no] has joined #openttd 12:29:54 *** paulstuffins [n=paulstuf@host-84-9-15-207.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #openttd 12:30:37 *** brygge_2 [n=joachim9@81.166.137.5] has joined #openttd 12:41:22 *** White_Rabbit [i=whiterab@cpc4-oxfd8-0-0-cust713.oxfd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 12:42:40 <MiHaMiX> White_Rabbit: 4 new string, please fix :) 12:43:17 <White_Rabbit> I'm on it 12:45:03 <White_Rabbit> it's all done 12:45:53 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181071057.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:46:17 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #OpenTTD 12:46:41 <White_Rabbit> I'm looking forward to tonight's nightly...nice, new newgrf features 12:46:58 *** White_Rabbit [i=whiterab@cpc4-oxfd8-0-0-cust713.oxfd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 12:49:10 <RichK67> what features (unable to check log at the mo...)?? 12:50:47 <peter1138> road vehicle cargo refitting 12:51:09 *** Skiddles^ is now known as Olipro 12:51:16 *** Olipro is now known as Scuddles 12:51:57 <Darkvater> RichK67: unable to check the log??? http://svn.openttd.org 12:52:03 <Darkvater> or svn log :) 12:56:15 *** kujeger_work [n=kujeger@pc-99-88.p52.hio.no] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 12:59:02 *** kujeger_work [n=kujeger@pc-99-88.p52.hio.no] has joined #openttd 12:59:37 *** Gussoh [n=gussoh@82.197.255.9] has joined #openttd 13:11:27 <Belugas> research of the day : What cause the fluctuations of real life inflation? 13:13:44 *** Kjetil [i=kjetil@81.166.7.161] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:14:55 <scia> Belugas: what do you mean? 13:15:52 <RichK67> Darkvater: i dont have the svn checked out on my work machine; and i didnt know the alternative route... many thanks; bookmarked :) 13:17:36 *** Cepheid [i=Cepheid@CPE001346cc0581-CM00137189ce9c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 13:19:29 <Belugas> scia : i was looking at the code in ottd, last night. I found out tht the inflation is link to the interest rate AND DOES NOT MOVE AT ALL during game time. 13:19:33 <Belugas> It puzzled me 13:19:36 *** Dred_furst [n=nn@user-852.l3.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:19:49 <Belugas> and I was wondering how I can make it fluctuate 13:20:01 <Belugas> thus the research :) 13:20:23 <Belugas> There are two things we can record : production and distribution 13:20:34 <Belugas> wold it be enough? 13:20:36 <Belugas> don't know 13:20:43 <Belugas> that's waht I want to find out. 13:20:44 <scia> let me think... 13:20:57 <Belugas> take all your time :) 13:21:05 <Belugas> it is only 9:20 here ;) 13:21:37 <RichK67> ah... ingame inflation... interesting thought 13:22:19 <Darkvater> RichK67: :) np. You can always ssh ^^ 13:22:20 <RichK67> its linked to prices, but since prices in OTTD are fixed, and dont change in response to demand, its a bit academic 13:23:10 <scia> in ottd there is no demand :p 13:23:11 <Darkvater> the interest rate is fixed, so the prices have a fixed increase 13:23:18 <Darkvater> you cannot model the RW 13:23:39 <Belugas> well...initially, it was just a matter of getting rid of the cargo payment rate arrays in savegames, and I figured out that the inflation rate, applied to original cost on reload game, would do the trick 13:23:53 <Belugas> Then, I came with the idea of fluctuant inflation 13:24:01 <RichK67> OTTD has plenty of demand; it just has no way of fulfilling it (other than when we create transport network) 13:24:12 <Darkvater> it is about the marketplace (demand, etc.), monetary policies, politics, physcological warfare 13:24:18 <RichK67> weather 13:24:31 <scia> the law of supply and demand makes the prices - not in ottd 13:24:38 <Darkvater> disasters, yes 13:25:19 *** BJH_ [n=chatzill@e176119126.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:25:24 <peter1138> there, a nice plain text version of celestar's PDF to reply to ;p 13:25:33 <Darkvater> oh crap 13:25:37 <Darkvater> still needa read i 13:25:37 <Darkvater> t 13:25:51 *** Kjetil [i=kjetil@81.166.7.161] has joined #openttd 13:26:01 <peter1138> well, it's easier to read now ;) 13:26:17 <scia> When wages rise, and the labor productivity does not, the prices have to rise too 13:26:27 <scia> that's inflation :p 13:26:31 <RichK67> also technology; vinyl records are now expensive as there is little supply, matching the small demand ... in theory OTTD prices should start high, and as we meet the demand (by creating the supply network), we would drive inflation down 13:27:44 <Belugas> Think of it : we (players) are delivering cargos. Who asked us to do so? We decide to. Can we imagine that we have been asked to? Then we have demand. 13:27:58 <Belugas> But... 13:28:18 <Tron> if (m_pFirst == NULL) { 13:28:18 <Tron> return *(Titem_*)NULL; 13:28:18 <Tron> } 13:28:20 <Tron> what is this? 13:29:06 <Belugas> an enigma? 13:29:27 <Darkvater> nice 13:30:45 <Tron> i'd rather call it "SEGFAULT" instead of "nice" 13:31:00 <hylje> core dumped 13:32:27 <Tron> there's more of these... 13:34:20 *** CmdKewin [n=cmdkewin@212.243.72.197] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 13:34:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> is it bad if i have no clue what that is supposed to mean? 13:35:42 <Darkvater> :q 13:35:45 <Darkvater> *eek* 13:35:57 <Sacro> lol 13:40:01 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176120135.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:40:12 <Belugas> inflation : my wife wants a new dishwasher. I ask for a raise, which I get (because i'm gooooooood). My boss raises the prices of our products. Too bad, i'm making dishwashers. They now cost more. I have to ask for a raise, again... 13:41:14 <Tron> int z1 = GetSlopeZ(x1 + TILE_HEIGHT, y1 + TILE_HEIGHT); <-- this looks /SO/ wrong 13:41:36 * peter1138 pumps Belugas up with a bicycle pump: inflation 13:42:21 <RichK67> deflation: your wife wants a dishwasher; you get a raise; your boss raises the price; the company sells less; the company goes under; you are made redundant; you cannot afford to keep your wife in the luxury she is used to... she divorces you ;) 13:42:46 <peter1138> Tron: it's copied from npf.c ... not that that means it's right 13:42:58 <peter1138> (either that, or vice versa, i suppose) 13:43:43 <Tron> hmhm, it's incorrect 13:43:46 <peter1138> yes 13:43:47 <Tron> or rather bogus 13:44:01 <Tron> TILE_HEIGHT just happens to be TILE_SIZE / 2 13:44:01 <peter1138> some one's seen tile, and replace the 8 with TILE_HEIGHT, heh 13:44:03 <peter1138> yeah 13:47:34 <Tron> wow, TILE_HEIGHT was invented in the commit these 8s got replaced by it 13:47:53 *** Cepheid [i=Cepheid@CPE001346cc0581-CM00137189ce9c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit ["Be right back."] 13:48:02 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03EB1.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 13:58:49 *** Cepheid [n=Cepheid@CPE001346cc0581-CM00137189ce9c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 14:03:09 *** Cepheid [n=Cepheid@CPE001346cc0581-CM00137189ce9c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Client Quit] 14:20:32 <peter1138> argh, worst indenting ever 14:20:37 <hylje> ? 14:20:40 <peter1138> indenting of 2 characters 14:20:42 <peter1138> using spaces 14:20:55 <peter1138> except if it's 4 levels (8, 12, etc) deep 14:20:58 <peter1138> then it uses tabs 14:21:08 <hylje> :X 14:22:03 <TheMask96> i like spaces, cause tabs look different per editor, but you should always use one kind of indenting, otherwise you get a mess ;) 14:22:24 <peter1138> spaces suck for indenting 14:22:57 <TheMask96> any specific reason for that? 14:22:58 *** Scuddles [n=Skiddles@cm75.epsilon120.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:23:11 *** Scuddles [n=Skiddles@cm75.epsilon120.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 14:24:16 <peter1138> because it's what tab was designed for 14:24:46 <peter1138> tab indenting looks different based on the preferences of whoever's using the code at that point 14:24:59 <peter1138> spaces forces everyone to use, say, 2 character indenting 14:25:21 <peter1138> tab indenting lets me decide 14:25:31 <TheMask96> you've got a point there.. :) 14:25:50 <peter1138> also (depending on the editor used) backspacing a tab will unindent one level 14:26:00 <peter1138> if it's spaces you have to backspacing multiple times 14:26:32 <peter1138> (but that is editor dependent, and conceivably there could be some twisted editor that turns tabs into spaces when backspacing) 14:26:37 *** fusee [i=fusion@220.142.171.66.subscriber.vzavenue.net] has joined #openttd 14:26:40 <peter1138> however. 14:27:00 <peter1138> using tabs for aligning columns of data is wrong :) 14:27:25 <Sacro> not wanting to start a holy war, what should i learn, C# or java? 14:29:56 <peter1138> personally i prefer C# 14:30:07 <peter1138> but it's up to you what you learn ;p 14:30:52 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 14:35:08 <Scuddles> What happened to the magickbridges? They used to be in the nightly last time I played :o 14:35:38 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-177-171.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 14:35:55 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-3431.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 14:36:21 <Belugas> It has been removed indeed. It will be back (eventually) when ready :) 14:36:49 <Scuddles> Meh, I thought it was already -ready when included :P 14:37:11 <hylje> make a floating bridge to complement the magic bridges approach 14:37:32 <CIA-3> peter1138 * r5196 /trunk/ (npf.c yapf/yapf_road.cpp): - Codechange: replace two incorrect uses of TILE_HEIGHT with TILE_SIZE / 2 14:40:35 <CIA-3> peter1138 * r5197 /trunk/ (Makefile network.h): - Use svn info to automatically find the last modified revision number and get branch information and place it in the revision string. Increase NETWORK_REVISION_LENGTH to accommodate the branch tag. 14:43:55 *** fusey [i=fusion@220.142.171.66.subscriber.vzavenue.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:43:55 *** fusee is now known as fusey 14:44:59 <Darkvater> hurray for windows 14:45:13 <Darkvater> I couldn't do anything becuase it has decided to fuck with my HD for the past 20 minutes 14:45:18 <peter1138> "oops" 14:46:34 <Darkvater> excel decided to use 300MB of memory when I double-clicked on a word in the VBA editor 14:47:24 <Darkvater> the joys 14:48:22 <hylje> bloat 14:48:23 <hylje> :) 14:50:52 <peter1138> heh 14:52:16 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:52:45 *** Zahl22 [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-179-000.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:54:19 <RichK67> Belugas ping 14:58:34 *** ProfFrink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 14:59:58 <Belugas> RichK67 pong, but awfully busy :( 15:00:04 <peter1138> no time to shower? 15:00:13 <RichK67> i dont pong ;) 15:00:20 <Belugas> with you, peter1138, always ;) 15:01:25 <RichK67> okies - will you be able to review the New Airports this weekend?? (bear in mind that it will also require a SAVEGAME_VERSION bump from 28 to 29; no other changes though) 15:01:50 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 15:01:53 <SpComb> :o 15:02:01 <SpComb> orudge is back, and he is angry! 15:02:16 * orudge wibbles all over SpComb 15:02:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> eww... do you have to do that in public? get a room :p 15:03:03 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 15:03:19 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has quit ["Moo"] 15:03:21 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 15:03:33 <Darkvater> orudge: you know 15:05:10 <orudge> Yes, I do. 15:05:15 <orudge> I also know that I have my driving test very soon 15:05:18 <orudge> and am fairly busy with stuff :p 15:05:22 <orudge> but, it shall be done, one day 15:05:26 <orudge> Perhaps on the plane to Brazil, m. 15:05:27 <orudge> hm 15:05:29 <Darkvater> hmm you are getting suspicious 15:05:35 * orudge sighs 15:05:36 <Bjarni> driving test? 15:05:42 <orudge> There's nothing dodgy going on, I'm just busy and lazy :p 15:05:43 <Bjarni> now that sounds scary 15:05:52 <Darkvater> that's suspicious as well 15:05:53 <orudge> All the records are in my PayPal account, and half of them in an Excel spreadsheet 15:05:57 <orudge> I just need to update the spreadsheet 15:05:57 <Bjarni> mainly the latter :P 15:06:08 * orudge drives all over Bjarni 15:06:10 * Darkvater can't imagine it takes THAT much time to do this 15:06:47 <SpComb> PayPal? 15:06:49 <Bjarni> orudge: you forgot that you drive on the left side while we drive on the *right* side, so you missed :P 15:07:01 <orudge> It doesn't really, it's just tedious and I haven't yet got around to it :p 15:07:22 <Bjarni> SpComb: that's a device on the internet to use up all your real life money 15:07:41 * orudge 's vehicle was so wide it took up both lanes, Bjarni 15:07:53 <hylje> paypal is ebays attempt at a bank which is not a bank 15:07:55 <Bjarni> SpComb: it's some kind of online credit card system... or something like that 15:08:08 <SpComb> I know paypal 15:08:10 <orudge> An online payment system 15:08:16 <SpComb> what what does paypal have to do with orudge and openttd? 15:08:21 <SpComb> some evil conpsiracy? 15:08:23 <orudge> I accept donations for OpenTTD 15:08:36 <SpComb> at a 80% commodity rate? 15:08:43 <orudge> I seem to remember there were over EUR100 worth of donations last time I added it all up, anyway 15:08:47 <MiHaMiX> orudge: how many donations did OpenTTD received so far?:) 15:08:58 <hylje> one, but paypal ate that 15:09:00 <Bjarni> we need money for some stuff like having the domain names, the forum and homepage and so on 15:09:00 <hylje> :| 15:09:05 <orudge> MiHaMiX: That's what I ened to add up 15:09:05 *** brygge_2 [n=joachim9@81.166.137.5] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:09:26 <orudge> That reminds me, Bjarni... ages ago I got a message from ludde asking for money for the domains, I told him to speak to Darkvater and never heard from him again :s 15:09:35 <orudge> I'm sure I mentioned it here 15:09:40 <Darkvater> I spoke to ludde about it at that time 15:09:41 <orudge> but ah well, I'll assume it was sorted out one way or another 15:10:00 <Bjarni> orudge: he asked me about it and I forwarded him to you 15:10:13 <Bjarni> that's what I know about it 15:10:33 <orudge> Hmm 15:10:38 <orudge> Well, nobody asked me for money after that, anyway 15:11:14 * orudge may go and look at the old accounts after he finishes eating 15:11:50 *** The-Moon [n=The-Moon@c-68-45-84-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:11:57 <The-Moon> Hey guys 15:11:59 <The-Moon> anyone aroudn 15:12:02 <The-Moon> around* 15:12:05 *** BJH_ [n=chatzill@e176119126.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]"] 15:12:12 <orudge> Maybe 15:12:17 <The-Moon> hey 15:12:22 <The-Moon> do you know much about openttd? 15:12:38 <Scuddles> No, we all play TTDpatch here. 15:12:44 <The-Moon> lol 15:12:47 <The-Moon> sure ya do 15:12:59 <The-Moon> well im having a problem with my desert server 15:13:06 <The-Moon> for some reason at some point in game 15:13:12 <The-Moon> it makes the trains become not avaliable no more 15:13:17 <The-Moon> its 2030 on my server 15:13:24 <The-Moon> and no one can build any trains anymore 15:13:39 <The-Moon> http://cdfbr.zidev.com/OpenTTDSS.jpg 15:13:44 <The-Moon> dose anyone know how to fix this 15:13:49 <The-Moon> so once a train becomes avaliable 15:13:52 <The-Moon> its always avaliable 15:13:58 <peter1138> yes 15:13:59 <Bjarni> that's normal 15:14:03 <The-Moon> ? 15:14:04 <Bjarni> use maglev instead 15:14:06 <The-Moon> whats normal 15:14:09 <peter1138> vehicles don't expire in the vehicle patch settings 15:14:15 <peter1138> but yeah, you could just use monorail or maglev 15:14:42 <The-Moon> Ohhh ok 15:14:44 <The-Moon> that works 15:14:51 <Bjarni> you are so far into the future, that conventional rails have been obsolite 15:15:02 <peter1138> and obsolete 15:15:05 <Bjarni> somehow I don't think that will happen in real life in just 25 years ;) 15:15:09 <TheMask96> lol :) 15:15:12 <The-Moon> yeah i know 15:15:13 <The-Moon> haha 15:15:24 <The-Moon> im sure trains will be around for a long time still 15:15:38 <The-Moon> untill everyone is rich enough to afford better tracks and trains 15:15:51 <Bjarni> which would be: never 15:15:55 <The-Moon> yeah really 15:16:06 <The-Moon> Awsome, so thanks a bunch 15:16:14 <The-Moon> and im going to turn that patch on 15:16:21 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387D7CD.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:16:21 <The-Moon> will trains still grow old tho? 15:16:25 <Bjarni> it's fairly easy to upgrade the rolling stock, but the rails are way too expensive to replace 15:16:26 <The-Moon> with vehichals never expire on 15:16:32 <The-Moon> because thats whati t hought that it ment 15:16:33 <Bjarni> yeah 15:16:39 <The-Moon> ok cool 15:16:40 <Bjarni> they still got their age thing 15:17:05 <Bjarni> it only prevents them from getting removed from the build vehicle window 15:17:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> new tracks should get really extremely expensive in the later stages of the game 15:17:29 <Bjarni> and when they are removed, they will not be added to the current game if you enable the patch setting 15:17:51 <The-Moon> damn 15:17:55 <The-Moon> i enabled the patch 15:17:58 <The-Moon> but they didnt show up.... 15:18:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> that's what Bjarni just said 15:18:12 <orudge> 16:17:28] <Bjarni> and when they are removed, they will not be added to the current game if you enable the patch setting 15:18:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> it only prevents them from going off... it does not put them back 15:18:26 <The-Moon> ok 15:18:27 <The-Moon> np 15:18:52 <Sacro> isnt the a "resetengines" command? 15:19:03 <The-Moon> Word? 15:19:07 <Bjarni> I think it's single player only, but I'm not sure 15:19:12 <Sacro> The-Moon: Word! 15:19:13 <The-Moon> is that the command? 15:19:18 <The-Moon> or is it reset_engines 15:19:29 <peter1138> resetengines 15:19:38 <peter1138> in the conolse 15:19:41 <peter1138> and console 15:19:41 <The-Moon> yeah its forbidden in multiplayer 15:19:45 <peter1138> yes 15:19:47 <Bjarni> *console 15:20:11 <Bjarni> damn, why do this start to lag :( 15:20:26 <peter1138> DOES 15:20:46 <Bjarni> now that didn't lag 15:21:14 <Bjarni> now it's back to normal 15:21:31 <Bjarni> I guess it was just the internet, that played a trick on me or something 15:23:13 * Sacro imagines the internet hiding behind a tree and then jumping out on Bjarni 15:24:00 <hylje> :> 15:24:20 <CIA-3> tron * r5198 /trunk/elrail.c: Fix some strange control flow: the case for MP_RAILWAY fell through the case for MP_TUNNELBRIDGE 15:26:59 <The-Moon> Thanks a bunch guys :D 15:27:19 <CIA-3> tron * r5199 /trunk/tunnelbridge_cmd.c: Make the control flow of GetTileTrackStatus_TunnelBridge() more comprehensible 15:27:28 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:27:48 <Brianetta> desync bad 15:27:52 <Brianetta> who desync 15:28:31 <peter1138> me, and pikka, and everyone 15:30:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> must be cosmic radiation ;) 15:30:14 <peter1138> clearly 15:30:18 <RichK67> or maybe TGP? 15:30:34 <peter1138> that's only map generation, no? 15:30:55 <RichK67> yeah, but im not 100% sure my MP_VOID setting is right... 15:31:52 <The-Moon> too bad the new stations patch dosent work in openttd yet tho.... :( 15:32:02 <RichK67> the code i borrowed from PNGmap seems to do it down all 4 edges, and i do it to 2 (i think), but its the one bit that is a bit mysterious to me 15:32:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> The-Moon: it does! 15:32:23 <The-Moon> last time i chekced it didnt' 15:32:28 <The-Moon> in fact i have them downloaded 15:32:30 <The-Moon> and enabled 15:32:35 <The-Moon> all i get are the waypoints 15:32:35 <orudge> Aaargh 15:32:37 <The-Moon> not the stations 15:32:38 <orudge> Bloody Excel 2007 15:32:41 * orudge likes not this new interface 15:32:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> not in 0.4.7 15:32:54 <RichK67> The-Moon: you need a nightly build, not 0.4.7 15:32:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> but in trunk 15:32:58 <peter1138> orudge: but it's shiny 15:32:58 <The-Moon> oh 15:33:04 <The-Moon> im not using the nightly build 15:33:12 <The-Moon> ill wait then 15:33:15 <The-Moon> but they do work now? 15:33:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah ;) 15:33:25 <The-Moon> thats great 15:33:27 <RichK67> yes - very well 15:33:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> but they won't be in 0.4.8 15:33:31 <The-Moon> i hope they get this patch out soon :) 15:33:34 <RichK67> thank peter1138 :) 15:33:35 <The-Moon> What! 15:33:38 <The-Moon> Why not? 15:33:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> so you'd have to wait for 0.5.0 15:33:45 <The-Moon> Someone needs to be bitch slaped 15:33:50 <RichK67> 0.4.8 is bugfix, not functionality 15:34:05 <The-Moon> The electric rails are going to be in .4.8 right? 15:34:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> no new features until 0.5 15:34:12 <RichK67> 0.5.0 will follow shortly, in the meantime, the nightly is available nightly ;) 15:34:15 <The-Moon> wtf 15:34:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> means also no elrails 15:34:21 <The-Moon> thats some gay bullshit 15:34:28 <The-Moon> why cant they just make a new version 15:34:31 <The-Moon> with some new features 15:34:37 <The-Moon> its been a good month now... 15:34:41 <RichK67> use the nightly... its 99%+ stable 15:34:51 <orudge> [16:34:27] <The-Moon> why cant they just make a new version 15:34:53 <orudge> "just" 15:35:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> there will be even more new features until 0.5.0 15:35:02 <The-Moon> i would but then only people with the nightly build will be aloud to play on my server 15:35:05 <The-Moon> and i dont want that 15:35:12 <The-Moon> Yeah they can Orudge 15:35:15 * orudge sighs 15:35:16 <The-Moon> its real simple in fact 15:35:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> and they have to be properly tested against each other 15:35:19 <The-Moon> you complie the code 15:35:24 <orudge> All these features are "real simple", eh? 15:35:25 <The-Moon> and slap a version label on it 15:35:27 <The-Moon> and there you go 15:35:27 <orudge> They take quite a bit of work to code. 15:35:29 <orudge> That will happen. 15:35:36 <orudge> But only when it's suitably stable and ready 15:35:38 <RichK67> The-Moon: if you want a ton of new (and some experimental) features, try the MiniIN; http://nightly.openttd.org/MiniIN/files 15:35:40 <The-Moon> well if the features are coded in and working.... 15:35:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> The-Moon: that's what nightlys are for 15:35:49 <orudge> There exists a notion of "roadmaps" in the software development world. 15:35:53 <The-Moon> not everyone has the nightlys tho 15:36:01 <orudge> Releases are made when the aims in the roadmap are achieved. 15:36:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> but they can download them 15:36:23 <The-Moon> this sucks 15:36:32 <The-Moon> i gotta wait around for 6 months for eletric rails.... 15:36:35 <orudge> If you're not happy, feel free to make your own fork. 15:36:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> it does not... 15:36:42 <orudge> And, you don't have to wait 6 months 15:36:45 <orudge> you could just use a nightly. 15:36:47 *** Hackykid [n=Hackykid@ip5655e868.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 15:36:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> the nightlys are publicly available 15:36:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> nobody has to wait for anything 15:36:58 <orudge> Stick that particular one up for download on your site or something if you want, and say people should use that 15:37:49 <orudge> TTDPatch hasn't released a stable version since 2003 15:37:53 <Tron> RichK67: void -> landscape.c about line 390 15:37:55 <orudge> You don't think people are still using 2.0? 15:37:59 <orudge> No, they use the alphas 15:38:02 <orudge> (and nightlies these days, too) 15:38:28 <The-Moon> this current version im using is stable 15:38:29 <RichK67> two systems: stable release+nightlies; or frequent unstable main releases... take your pick ;) we choose 1) 15:38:35 <Brianetta> RichK67: Your TGP map desynced players. At least, when I reverted and reloaded, the game didn't desync anybody. 15:38:44 <The-Moon> oh 15:38:51 <The-Moon> yeah i have problem with desyncs all the time 15:38:56 <The-Moon> and i have a good server 15:39:07 <The-Moon> arg i guess ill go get a nightly 15:39:11 <The-Moon> do i have to complie it 15:39:14 <The-Moon> or is it precomplied? 15:39:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> 99% of all desyncs are newgrf related 15:39:28 <The-Moon> im not using any newgrfs 15:39:30 <RichK67> Brianetta: i suspect there is a problem in there, but i dont know how to debug the server side 15:39:35 <The-Moon> and alot of people get desycn errors 15:39:54 <The-Moon> id code for openttd 15:39:59 <The-Moon> but i got too much other things going on 15:40:04 <Brianetta> RichK67: I'll happily run debug code for you 15:40:05 <The-Moon> i do know c++ pretty well 15:40:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> the nightlies are precompiled for almost all targets imaginable 15:40:33 <glx> except some osx version :) 15:40:33 <hylje> *cough* amiga *cough* 15:40:44 <Brianetta> Eddi|zuHause2: This desync is a 1% case 15:40:46 <The-Moon> im using windows 2000 :) 15:41:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> Brianetta: yeah, i was aiming that at The-Moon... 15:41:25 <Brianetta> ah 15:41:27 <The-Moon> iok well i got the nightly.... 15:41:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> i figured you'd know what a desync is ;) 15:41:46 <The-Moon> yeah i do 15:41:46 <Brianetta> and how to combat common causes 15:41:55 <The-Moon> when the cleint dose have the same data as the server 15:42:05 <The-Moon> or its running too slow 15:42:07 <Brianetta> The-Moon: Not quite 15:42:07 <The-Moon> could be eaither 15:42:20 <The-Moon> whats Desycn mean for openttd? 15:42:24 <Brianetta> A desync is simpley when the server and the client have a different random seed 15:42:25 <CIA-3> tron * r5200 /branch/bridge/ (31 files in 3 dirs): Sync with trunk up to 5199 15:42:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, too slow client/connection will result in a "connection lost" error 15:42:32 <Brianetta> They check periodically 15:42:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> not a desync error 15:42:38 <The-Moon> oh ok 15:42:38 <Brianetta> If they differ, the client quits the game 15:42:51 <RichK67> Tron: the latest version of TGP is found at the end of the thread - v3p_5105: the MP_VOID is done in the last few lines of tgp.c 15:43:05 <Brianetta> RichK67: That applies fuzzy now 15:43:18 <Brianetta> which might have been the problem 15:43:20 <Tron> RichK67: i just wanted to give you a hint what's correct for void tiles 15:43:45 <RichK67> ahh... ok ... /me checks trunk ;) 15:43:53 <Tron> RichK67: and use MakeVoid() 15:44:06 <Tron> (resp. Make$FOO() for other tiles) 15:44:37 *** ProfFrink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 15:45:09 <The-Moon> Dose the erails grf come with this new nightly build 15:45:13 <The-Moon> i dont need to enable it? 15:45:14 <RichK67> okies - hadnt noticed that update to landscape.c - btw what is .extra?? 15:45:46 <Tron> don't ask, don't touch 15:45:57 <The-Moon> Awsome, a new Map Generator window! 15:45:59 <Tron> just set it to 0 if you create a newe map 15:46:06 <Sacro> http://www.ceilingcat.com/ 15:46:19 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:46:20 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 15:46:25 <The-Moon> Awsome! Electric Rails! Rock0rs! 15:47:22 <The-Moon> ok so do i need to add the new stations grf file in? 15:47:27 <The-Moon> to get them again 15:47:35 <The-Moon> guess soo 15:48:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes... you have to add newstatsw.grf or any other kind of new stations, like the industrial stations, yourself 15:48:23 *** Osai^zZz [n=Osai@p54B3764D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 15:48:36 <RichK67> thanks tron, ill take a good look at this tonight; ive had my suspicions about this area for a bit (and may still need some debug help on it, since i need to run a modified version post-generate) 15:49:05 <The-Moon> WOW 15:49:09 <The-Moon> it really dose work!! 15:49:20 <The-Moon> why dont they make it a standard? They dont have permission to use the new stations? 15:49:30 <Brianetta> The-Moon: Some, yes 15:49:37 *** ProfFrink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 15:49:39 <Brianetta> In fact, the best ones are GPL 15:49:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> everybody has different preferences 15:49:52 <The-Moon> GPL? 15:49:59 <Brianetta> I, for example, believe that UKRS should be standard, out of the box 15:50:10 <Brianetta> The-Moon: General Public License 15:50:13 <RichK67> [16:45] The-Moon: Awsome, a new Map Generator window! <-- sounds like its MiniIN :) 15:50:20 <Bjarni> why the UKRS? 15:50:20 <Brianetta> same licemse as the game (purportedly) 15:50:30 <Bjarni> why not the US set or the DB XL set? 15:50:32 <The-Moon> Wow 15:50:36 <Brianetta> Bjarni: Because it's most like Chris Sawyer's original UK-centric theme 15:50:40 <The-Moon> the map looks more realistical then ever! 15:50:49 <Bjarni> good point 15:50:56 <The-Moon> I like the DB set 15:51:00 <The-Moon> that way you can start in 1920 15:51:05 <Hackykid> hmm, anyone know a good stationset with freight stations and stuff? 15:51:07 <Brianetta> The-Moon: Same with UKRS 15:51:16 <ProfFrink> Bjarni: DBXL is non-Free 15:51:18 <RichK67> The-Moon: that is the map that *may* have a bug in multiplayer... i will be working on it this weekend 15:51:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> RichK67: is the livery refit stuff already in miniIN? 15:51:23 <Brianetta> Hackykid: usstatsw.grf 15:51:27 <hylje> what set lets you start at year 0 15:51:28 <hylje> :< 15:51:42 <The-Moon> RichK67? whatcha talking about? 15:51:47 <RichK67> yes, liveries are in... i documented it wrong in the include list 15:51:53 <Bjarni> ProfFrink: that's a pretty good reason not to use that one ;) 15:52:17 <Bjarni> hylje: that's not possible at all 15:52:27 <Brianetta> Hackykid: http://www.as-st.com/ttd/newusa/download.html 15:52:31 <Brianetta> Look for industrial stations 15:52:31 <Hackykid> Brianetta: thanks :-) 15:52:32 <Brianetta> All GPL 15:52:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> i think that MB person might go ballistic if we included DBSetXL ;) 15:52:33 <Bjarni> "day 1" is 1920 15:52:40 <RichK67> The-Moon: the nice new map generator, generates maps that are prone to desyncs in MP, but I dont yet know why (but have my suspicions) ... i will be debugging it this weekend 15:52:50 <The-Moon> Oh ok 15:52:52 <The-Moon> good luck then 15:52:53 <Bjarni> so it's like we got this time counter and we add an offset of 1920 years to it 15:53:03 <The-Moon> yeah this new smooth maps look 1337 15:53:07 <The-Moon> alot better then the other crap 15:53:33 <The-Moon> And its giving me a snow line in Temp, which i never noticed befor... 15:53:53 <RichK67> yup, the raw code for the overall map took about 6 hours to write... and its taken 4 months to debug ;) 15:53:56 <The-Moon> What other new things are in? 15:54:18 <The-Moon> you should spend 12 hours on it, and then only have to debug for 2 months :) 15:54:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> The-Moon: for the record: the MiniIN is a special version of trunk, that has all kinds of inofficial features in, that might not ever make it to trunk 15:54:57 <The-Moon> ? 15:55:00 <The-Moon> what is miniIN? 15:55:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> what you have got ;) 15:55:10 <Brianetta> Minty 15:55:12 <Brianetta> please 15:55:15 <The-Moon> ? i got the nightly build 15:55:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> the version with the map generator 15:55:17 <RichK67> in MiniIN (which is sort of Nightly + ) it has 6 new airports, including a 4runway mega-airport, subsidiaries, lots of stuff 15:55:25 <The-Moon> No Shit! ? 15:55:28 <The-Moon> New Airports! 15:55:37 <Brianetta> The-Moon: The real nightly build is at nightly.openttd.org 15:55:37 <The-Moon> Omg.... 15:55:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> PBS (beware!) 15:55:49 <Brianetta> which doesn't have nearly so much extra 15:56:08 <RichK67> the trunk has a new pathfinder (called YAPF) which works in the MiniIN too 15:56:12 <The-Moon> Oh ok i got the MiniIN 15:56:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> is PBS already YAPF aware? 15:56:18 <The-Moon> http://nightly.openttd.org/MiniIN/files i downloaded this hehe 15:56:18 <Brianetta> no 15:56:19 <KUDr> no 15:56:30 <Hackykid> hmm, sometimes i get crashes when generating a map 15:56:47 <RichK67> sorry, i miswrote that; YAPF knows about PBS signals, but doesnt pathfind them any differently 15:56:58 <The-Moon> Is there a way in single player to give me money real quick so i can look at this new stuff? 15:56:58 <Hackykid> hmm and TGP is off 15:57:21 <RichK67> yeah, so do I Hackykid, which is why it wont be even offered for trunk for a while 15:57:47 <RichK67> cheat menu... CTRL-ALT-SHIFT-C ... select 10,000,000 15:57:54 <Hackykid> ah, i see :-) 15:58:19 <The-Moon> dosent work 15:58:26 <The-Moon> nothings comming up 15:58:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> you might need to press ctrl+win+alt+c 15:58:47 <The-Moon> there we go 15:59:19 *** xahodo [n=xander@xahodo.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 15:59:35 <The-Moon> Omg these new airports Rock ! 15:59:35 <RichK67> when TGP is off, I forgot to "protect" the old generator from the new method of placing industries, which may not work on the old maps... its for my debug list (but may be academic, as if I get 0.5.0 inclusion with it, then I would probably drop the old generator entirely) 16:00:01 <RichK67> the Intercontinental can handle 30+ aircraft with ease 16:00:39 <hylje> over what time period 16:00:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> you mean 30 AT the airport, or 30 with orders of going there? 16:00:49 <The-Moon> What else is new in this MiniIN patch? 16:00:50 <RichK67> oops - sorry - yes, CTRL-WIN-ALT-C 16:01:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> The-Moon: there's a thread in the tt-forums 16:01:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> explaining it all 16:02:22 <The-Moon> oh 16:02:23 <The-Moon> ok 16:02:25 <RichK67> 30+ where about 1/3rd are at airport 1, 1/3rd in flight, 1/3rd at airport 2, and nothing in the holding pattern 16:02:27 <The-Moon> ill go look then, thanks 16:02:41 <The-Moon> Hey any of you guys wanna play on my server wiht me in a little bit? 16:03:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> so 10 at the airport simultaneously 16:03:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> that is a much better number of characterizing it ;) 16:03:51 <Hackykid> RichK67: hmm, drop the old generator? 16:04:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah... we need less options and patch settings 16:04:18 <Hackykid> TPG can generate flat enough terrain for me :-( 16:04:45 <The-Moon> hrm 16:04:48 <Hackykid> old generater generates 80% of the land at height sealevel+1, just how i like it :-) 16:04:53 <The-Moon> its saying i dont have the correct version as my server 16:04:58 <The-Moon> but i just updated both.... 16:05:24 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 16:05:24 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 16:05:49 <Hackykid> hmm s/TPG/TGP :-p 16:05:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> then you did something wrong... or it misbehaves because the version string is too long 16:06:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> which will be fixed in the next build... 16:06:18 <RichK67> Hackykid: try a lower roughness; for a really really flat terrain; go for Very Flat, Very Low water, Very Smooth 16:06:32 <RichK67> the version string is probably too long 16:06:32 <Hackykid> hmm, i think i did 16:06:41 <The-Moon> huh? 16:06:49 <The-Moon> both the server and client have the same version 16:07:03 <The-Moon> r5165-MiniIN 16:07:11 <The-Moon> is it mini in or ln 16:07:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes... but if the version string is too long, it gets cut off... 16:07:22 <The-Moon> how do i fix that then? 16:07:25 <RichK67> Mini eye-enn 16:07:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> amd "r5165-Mini" is different from "r5165-MiniIN" 16:07:39 <Hackykid> RichK67: still not flat enough for me :-p 16:07:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> so it fails the check 16:07:50 <glx> Hackykid: try another seed 16:07:56 <The-Moon> ..... 16:08:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> The-Moon: recompiling yourself could help 16:08:36 * orudge notices that "HOSTING OUT" is currently somewhat larger than "HOSTING IN" 16:08:36 <The-Moon> why did they release this patch if they new the version string wouldnt work.... 16:08:51 <orudge> And yes, Darkvater, I'm doing it now ;) 16:08:51 <Hackykid> i'll just use orig terrain generator :-) 16:09:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> The-Moon: because that is the risk with untested features... they might not work 16:09:48 <The-Moon> ? 16:10:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> including the branch name in the version string is a very experimental feature 16:11:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> invented like 2 days ago 16:11:18 <The-Moon> where can i report this bug too? 16:11:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> not all it's effects have been tested 16:11:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> it is probably already fixed 16:11:34 <The-Moon> .... 16:11:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> for the next recompile 16:11:40 <The-Moon> ok 16:11:47 <The-Moon> ill wait until tomorrow then i guess... 16:11:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> the next recompile of trunk is in 2 hours 16:12:04 <The-Moon> oh 16:12:04 <glx> Eddi|zuHause2: not for minIN 16:12:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> the next recompile of MiniIN is monday morning 16:12:15 <The-Moon> oh 16:12:24 <The-Moon> http://nightly.openttd.org/MiniIN/files < when will this be updated then, monday 16:12:31 <glx> yes 16:12:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> Monday, 10:00 CEST 16:12:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> time now is 18:00 16:12:46 <glx> and thursday 16:13:01 <The-Moon> Thursday glx? 16:13:14 <The-Moon> that means it was just updated yesterday... 16:13:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> Monday and Thursday 10:00, each week 16:14:04 <glx> The-Moon: yes but the -xxx stuff was not tested 16:14:35 <glx> miniIN was the first branch to have it 16:16:03 <ln-> hmm, apache svn: "Checked out revision 413083." 16:16:22 *** dfox [n=dfox@213.220.254.86] has joined #openttd 16:17:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> they have either lots of features, lots of bugfixes, or lots of "typo in last commit" :p 16:18:18 <Brianetta> A patchy server 16:18:21 <Brianetta> no kidding 16:20:29 <orudge> To be fair, they also have several years more commits to import into svn than we do ;) 16:20:34 <orudge> but yes, rather an insane number 16:20:44 <orudge> Imagine if the Windows source code was an SVN repository... 16:21:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> "rev 2323461313" 16:21:20 <RichK67> Hackykid: a good way to find a good map, is use the scengen; when you find a good map, write down the seed. go to the newgame window, click on the seed number, and enter the number from the scengen game... then just hit Generate 16:22:29 <Brianetta> orudge: If the Windows source was in SVN, we'd be on release 12 now. You really think they'd commit just small patches? 16:23:09 <RichK67> it works better the other way; if you find a good NewGame terrain, and want the seed; save, abandon, and go into Scengen... the map gen window will have the last seed used 16:23:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> they'd have several dozen branches and backport stuff all the time 16:23:39 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause2: They'd use bzr 16:23:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> whatever that is... 16:24:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> (i'd guess the microsoft equivalent of svn) 16:24:19 <RichK67> i will be changing this so that the seed is saved in the map, and loads in with the game... then you can load a nice map, and then regenerate the same map in Arctic, Desert, toyland, etc. 16:25:28 <glx> RichK67: it was already said that you should not put the seed in the savegame 16:25:49 *** GoneWacko [n=gonewack@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 16:26:28 <Brianetta> RichK67: Does the noise get scaled for larger maps? Example, if you had a seed which made two large islands and a small one, would that seed make the same two large islands and a small one if a different map size? 16:26:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> code the seed in height changes at the top of the map, so everybody can read it (if not modified) 16:26:37 <RichK67> TGP isnt even offered for trunk yet; its a feature i will run with in the MiniIN environment, and if absolutely no use, then i'll pull it 16:27:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> (like a 'fingerprint' of the map) 16:27:32 <RichK67> brianetta; no, it would repeat the islands in the same place, but just expand the land surface beyond... in a way, its the other way around; the small maps are a crop of the larger maps 16:28:01 *** Scuddles [n=Skiddles@cm75.epsilon120.maxonline.com.sg] has left #openttd [">:3"] 16:28:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> wtf? clock 20 minutes off? this is getting rediculous... 16:28:22 <RichK67> eddi: yes, and *essential* for debug IMO... "i have this problem, but it only occurs once every 100 maps"... great! find that one! 16:28:47 <RichK67> so, maybe it needs to be there during development, and remove it for release 16:30:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> what i meant: do not reserve extra bits for it, but alter the map somewherere (like in the water at the rim) 16:30:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> so you get little peaks that represent the seed 16:31:24 <The-Moon> RichK67 your one of the programmers for OpenTTD? 16:31:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> nobody can complain about that ;) 16:31:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> RichK67 is the maintainer of the MiniIN branch 16:31:50 <The-Moon> `oh 16:31:52 <The-Moon> ok thats cool 16:33:10 <The-Moon> Having the new stations in OpenTTD is gr8! 16:33:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> we know... that's why they are in ;) 16:33:55 <peter1138> no it's not 16:34:02 <peter1138> they're in because i slipped 16:34:07 <The-Moon> ..... 16:34:16 <Brianetta> A lapse of concentration 16:34:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... right ;) 16:34:44 <Brianetta> peter1138 was gloating int he screenshots thread about *his* lovely newstations support 16:34:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> like celestar tried with the bridges, but failed ;) 16:35:03 <Brianetta> then he accidentally committed it after making some other change 16:35:15 <CIA-3> peter1138 * r5201 /trunk/ (engine.h newgrf.c table/engines.h): - NewGRF: add loading of default refit costs. This information is not yet used 16:35:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> refit costs! ;) 16:35:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> more! ;) 16:35:43 <Brianetta> I just dropped a jar of cinnamon inthe kitchen 16:35:47 <Brianetta> The jar lid shattered 16:35:57 <Brianetta> THere's fine martian dust everywhere 16:36:01 <Brianetta> and it hinks 16:36:03 <Brianetta> honks 16:36:14 <Brianetta> and I have nothing in which to keep the remaining cinnamon 16:36:53 <peter1138> well that was silly 16:36:56 <RichK67> peter: fantastic, does this mean that we dont need to refit a coal wagon for 10x the price, to get an iron ore wagon in UKRS?? :) 16:37:19 <glx> RichK67: This information is not yet used 16:37:24 <Brianetta> cos iron ore would just fall right out of a coal wagon... 16:38:09 <RichK67> ok - time to go home 16:38:27 <RichK67> woohoo - England match tomorrow :) 16:41:15 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has quit [] 16:43:47 *** White_Rabbit [i=whiterab@cpc4-oxfd8-0-0-cust713.oxfd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:48:08 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 16:51:24 *** tokai|3 [n=tokai@p54B819A4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:51:30 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B819A4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:55:21 *** gagarin_lg [n=gagarin@e178116009.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:55:24 <gagarin_lg> hi 16:56:10 <gagarin_lg> I just wrote a web-based automatic openttd gameserver-creator at: http://gagarin-soft.de/openttd 16:56:20 <gagarin_lg> with full gameservercontrol via telnet 16:56:50 <gagarin_lg> feel free to test it 16:56:56 <White_Rabbit> I forgot what telnet was 16:57:01 <White_Rabbit> is* 16:58:14 <gagarin_lg> a remote text interface 17:01:42 *** Sacro__ [n=Sacro@adsl-213-249-239-6.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:07:29 *** Sacro__ [n=Sacro@adsl-213-249-239-6.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 17:08:23 *** eQualizer [n=lauri@dyn12-72.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:09:27 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B81C1F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:10:11 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B81C1F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:10:52 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-213-249-239-6.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Connection timed out] 17:11:06 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 17:15:09 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-177-171.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["YOU! It was you wasn't it!?"] 17:15:45 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-213-249-239-6.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:16:09 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@AC8F1DAF.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 17:22:30 *** paulstuffins [n=paulstuf@host-84-9-15-207.bulldogdsl.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:23:19 *** Tammy [n=Allan@matl-hci-d183.ethz.ch] has joined #openttd 17:25:51 *** paulstuffins [n=paulstuf@host-84-9-15-207.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #openttd 17:29:54 <RichK67> Darkvater ping 17:32:32 *** paulstuffins [n=paulstuf@host-84-9-15-207.bulldogdsl.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:34:13 *** paulstuffins [n=paulstuf@host-84-9-15-207.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #openttd 17:36:27 *** White_Rabbit is now known as WR-away 17:39:11 *** iridium is now known as iridium`nh 17:39:57 <hylje> hmm where and how does svn store users 17:40:21 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-213-249-239-6.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 17:40:46 <RichK67> for once, that *is* in the SVN documentation ;) 17:41:11 <hylje> where 17:41:17 <hylje> been looking for that for a while 17:42:49 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498DAB0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:44:31 <RichK67> http://svnbook.red-bean.com/nightly/en/svn.serverconfig.svnserve.html "create a users file and realm" 17:45:07 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@87.102.18.228] has joined #openttd 17:45:16 <RichK67> depends if you are on apache or not though... that is for svnserve 17:45:55 <hylje> pretty deep in there it seesm 17:46:47 <CIA-3> miham * r5202 /trunk/lang/ (american.txt dutch.txt turkish.txt unfinished/ukrainian.txt): 17:46:47 <CIA-3> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-06-09 19:46:28 17:46:47 <CIA-3> american - 4 fixed by WhiteRabbit (4) 17:46:47 <CIA-3> dutch - 4 fixed by webfreakz (4) 17:46:47 <CIA-3> turkish - 4 fixed, 4 changed by jnmbk (8) 17:46:48 <CIA-3> ukrainian - 4 fixed by znikoz (4) 17:47:25 <Sacro> i never realised just how bad XP is 17:47:50 <hylje> :| 17:48:11 <Sacro> grrr, german warez 17:48:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> uhm... 17:49:08 * Sacro nicht deautsche sprechen 17:49:09 * Eddi|zuHause2 tries to imagine what Sacro's problem is 17:49:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> i can ;) 17:49:37 <Sacro> Beenden? 17:49:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> exit/close 17:50:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> comes from "Ende" (=the end) 17:50:25 <Sacro> ahh 17:50:35 <Sacro> Ausgang would make more sense to me 17:51:03 <Sacro> oh well...this could be fun :D 17:51:14 * Sacro climbs behind the wheel of RMS Titanic 17:53:01 <RichK67> "captain, there's a woman on the bow, pointing"... "excellent, go that way then....", ..... kerasssh 17:53:19 <Sacro> hmm, "PAGE FAULT IN NONPAGED AREA" 17:54:36 *** gagarin_lg is now known as gagarin_lg|away 17:54:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> well... "beenden" is a verb (~ to quit ~ is probably the closest), while "Ausgang" is a noun (the exit) 17:55:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> 'Ausgang' would sound pretty strange in a program... 17:56:51 <Sacro> hmmm 17:56:57 <Sacro> ah well 17:57:32 <Sacro> hehe, "Umgebung" 17:58:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> environment? 17:58:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't think that quite matches the meaning ;) 17:59:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> besides, that is already taken for environment variables 17:59:40 <Sacro> lol 17:59:47 <Sacro> "loading environment" 18:00:37 <Sacro> hmm, thats a buggy game, another BSOD 18:00:59 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:02:29 <Sacro> right, time to read the instructions 18:02:40 <Sacro> hmmm. is it bad that now windows wont start 18:03:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, that is common result of running warez without virus scanner :) 18:03:52 <Sacro> well the EULA was in german 18:04:04 <Sacro> i dont speak german, so i just clicked on the rightmost button 18:04:11 <scia> ausgehen :D 18:04:28 <Sacro> one day they'll move it in foreign languages, and ill get confused 18:04:38 <scia> who won the match btw? 18:04:53 <Sacro> Hilfe.pdf sounds good 18:05:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> well... it's not like anyone is reading EULAs anyway ;) 18:06:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> it could read "i have the right to read and write any data to your harddrive", and 99% of all people wouldn't notice 18:06:26 <Sacro> i have been known to, whilst waiting for XP to install 18:07:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> whereof 98% wouldn't even understand what that implied, even if they did read it 18:08:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> is the match already over? 18:09:04 <Sacro> humm, that crunch cant be good 18:09:14 * Sacro increases throttle 18:09:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> i only noticed several instances of /amsg TOOOOOOOOR!!! running around 18:09:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> last information was 4:2 18:10:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> i'm too afraid to turn on the tv 18:11:09 <Sacro> hehe 18:17:32 <Sacro> hmm "geld verdienen einfach genial absolut legal" 18:19:28 <valhallazzzw> sounds like paypal + pyramid 18:20:27 <Sacro> it does mention paypal in the document 18:20:33 <Sacro> but seeing as i only have limited german 18:20:35 <valhallazzzw> ^_^ 18:20:39 <The-Moon> yo RichK67 18:20:42 <The-Moon> you still around 18:21:37 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B819A4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 18:24:42 * Sacro gives up and awaits the english version 18:25:25 <Sacro> right, now, how can i optimise OpenTTD? 18:26:45 <The-Moon> Optmize for what? 18:26:53 <The-Moon> OpenTTD is already running great lol 18:26:55 <valhallazzzw> speed! 18:26:59 <The-Moon> unless you mean the server... 18:27:03 <The-Moon> which i dont understand much 18:27:11 <The-Moon> it can only go as fast as the comoputer its on 18:28:07 <The-Moon> server runs great on my comp tho... 18:28:24 <Sacro> well, my distros 0.4.7 package is brilliant 18:28:29 <Sacro> but self compiled stuff isnt 18:28:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> set debug mode off ;) 18:28:47 <The-Moon> oh 18:29:12 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: it shouldnt be on 18:29:17 * Sacro never did check though 18:29:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> somehow i expected that reply ;) 18:30:54 <Sacro> get lost :P 18:31:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have Lost ;) 18:31:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> complete season 2 ;) 18:33:54 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:33:58 <Sacro> ive never seen it 18:34:11 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 18:34:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> i even have german subtitles ;) 18:34:51 <Sacro> grr 18:35:03 <Sacro> i once got Allo Allo, but it was in Polish 18:35:10 <Sacro> it was still quite amusing though 18:35:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> hihi ;) 18:35:14 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 18:35:38 <Sacro> lol 18:42:31 *** wolf^_ [i=wolf@rev2.kamp.pl] has joined #openttd 18:44:21 *** wolf^ [i=wolf@pld-linux/wolf] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:45:29 *** Tron_ [n=tron@p54A3D284.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:45:43 <Sacro> nope, tried setting compiler flags, but it still stutters badly 18:48:50 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3CF02.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 18:48:52 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 18:49:02 <RichK67> [19:20] The-Moon: yo RichK67 <-- yo, back :) 18:50:03 <XeryusTC> <Eddi|zuHause2> i have Lost ;) <Eddi|zuHause2> complete season 2 ;) <- only season 2? :P 18:51:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> well... if i had season 3... that would be time travel ;) 18:51:24 <Prof_Frink> ...and? 18:51:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> which is insane even for lost standards ;) 18:52:29 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0.2/2006051612]"] 18:52:33 <Belugas> I just love Lost... 18:53:01 <Belugas> That is writing scenarios :) 18:53:12 <Belugas> not to mention the sceneries... 18:54:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> by my luck, season 3 is really about time travel ;) 18:56:36 <Sacro> oh well, self compiled with and without optimisation are useless 18:56:44 <Sacro> as are i386 and i686 builds 18:57:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> the precompiled nightlies? 18:58:10 <Sacro> yeah 18:59:32 <Sacro> there we go 18:59:36 <Sacro> win32 under wine 19:02:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> is that faster? ;) 19:02:12 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: yes 19:02:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> maybe you really should install windows ;) 19:02:45 <Sacro> i already have IE 6 :) 19:02:47 <Sacro> *:( 19:03:26 <Tron> sorry, you're bullshitting 19:03:37 <Sacro> Tron: what do you mean? 19:04:34 <Tron> except for the system calls and the format of the executable all the binaries for x86 are the same 19:04:36 <Born_Acorn> Everyone knows IE6 is not real. 19:04:59 <lws1984> IE6 is a scam 19:05:18 *** oteek [n=oteek@213.235.108.21] has joined #openttd 19:05:32 <Born_Acorn> Its IE5 gone through spellchecker! 19:06:26 <Prof_Frink> It's IE5 gone through the Feature Report / Bug Request system. 19:08:22 <Sacro> Tron: well why this problem then 19:11:05 <Tron> must be on your end 19:11:22 <Tron> did you stop the jukebox? 19:11:39 <Tron> palette animations? 19:11:47 <Sacro> Tron: stop it? theres no gm folder 19:12:05 <Tron> open the juke box and stop it 19:12:25 *** jonty-comp [i=Jonty@88-107-53-75.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 19:12:38 <glx> Sacro: with a non-existing gm folder, jukebox loops forever 19:13:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> something tells me the jukebox needs a rewrite ;) 19:13:13 <Sacro> glx: actually, it did have the gm folder, but no timidity 19:13:22 <Sacro> and pressing stop didnt help 19:16:43 <Sacro> its quite bemusing 19:16:51 *** oteek [n=oteek@213.235.108.21] has left #openttd [] 19:18:18 *** tsimpa [n=icechat5@217-159-163-14-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 19:19:25 <tsimpa> hi! 19:19:46 <tsimpa> how big screens you are using_ 19:19:48 <tsimpa> ? 19:22:46 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:24:26 <tsimpa> is here any traffic? 19:24:58 <tsimpa> i just started a game with 64x64 field 19:25:22 <tsimpa> now i have run into error message - too many stations 19:25:26 <tsimpa> what should i do_ 19:25:27 <tsimpa> ? 19:26:09 <glx> rename some stations 19:26:26 <tsimpa> its the first part of name that matters? 19:27:00 <glx> you just reach the max number of generated station names 19:27:37 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387D7CD.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:27:55 <tsimpa> actually it also blocked competitors :) 19:28:18 <glx> yeah for the same reason 19:28:28 <tsimpa> i have only one town in the map, and therefore all stations have same name 19:29:57 <glx> hmm no, the stations all use the same town name in their name but they don't have the same name 19:30:38 <tsimpa> it worked 19:30:41 <tsimpa> thanks, man 19:31:13 <tsimpa> i searched from the wiki, but didnt find it there 19:31:25 <tsimpa> someone should add it :) 19:32:32 <guru3> anyone in the uk wanna lend me a shell? 19:34:00 <RichK67> conch? 19:34:15 <guru3> i was thinking bash 19:35:25 <Sacro> guru3: lend? 19:36:00 <RichK67> somewhere for his porn stash ;) 19:36:09 <guru3> i don't need one indefinetely 19:36:13 <guru3> just for the next couple of weeks 19:36:23 <Sacro> ah a porn stash i dont mind 19:36:25 <Sacro> as long as its good quality 19:36:27 <guru3> i can toss that in 19:36:28 <guru3> but really 19:36:33 *** jonty-comp [i=Jonty@88-107-53-75.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:36:37 <guru3> i want to relay the bbc world cup stream :) 19:36:40 *** jonty-comp [i=Jonty@88-107-53-75.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 19:36:47 <Sacro> hmm 19:36:52 * Sacro has a TV card and mythtv 19:36:54 <guru3> because i don't have tv :( 19:41:32 *** jonty_comp [n=Jonty@88-107-53-75.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 19:41:32 *** jonty-comp [i=Jonty@88-107-53-75.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:44:08 <peter1138> i found it to be faster on windows that with X 19:44:09 *** jonty_comp [n=Jonty@88-107-53-75.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:44:11 <peter1138> however 19:44:19 *** jonty_comp [n=Jonty@88-107-53-75.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 19:44:30 <peter1138> it can't switch to 8bpp on X 19:44:41 <glx> peter1138: I have the opposite feeling 19:44:53 <Sacro> peter1138: ive always found win32 faster 19:45:25 <peter1138> when using DGA as SDL's video driver, it's really fast 19:45:35 <peter1138> but then you can't switch out from full screen 19:46:50 <peter1138> also with modern video cards, palette switching in 8bpp causes (temporary) display artefacts 19:49:21 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-53-75.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 19:51:47 *** jonty_comp [n=Jonty@88-107-53-75.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 19:52:51 <tsimpa> its same here - when ottd is running background fullscreen, then foreground is distorted 19:54:13 <RichK67> Darkvater ping 19:54:50 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498DAB0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Ciao"] 19:55:33 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-53-75.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit ["Au reviour!"] 20:00:54 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498DAB0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:03:07 *** dp [n=dp@p54B2FA24.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:06:05 <CIA-3> tron * r5203 /trunk/docs/landscape_grid.html: Some bits were incorrectly marked as used 20:06:23 *** WR-away is now known as White_Rabbit 20:10:27 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Quitting..."] 20:14:28 <CIA-3> peter1138 * r5204 /branch/utf8/newgrf_text.c: [utf8] Fix conversion of newgrf text 20:19:39 *** dp-- [n=dp@p54B2D196.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:19:42 *** dp is now known as dp-- 20:20:21 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@87.102.18.228] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 20:20:33 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@87.102.18.228] has joined #openttd 20:30:40 <CIA-3> richk * r5205 /branch/MiniIN/ (14 files in 3 dirs): 20:30:40 <CIA-3> [MiniIN]: [AdditionalOrders]: Added gigajum's Additional Orders patch. 20:30:40 <CIA-3> Provides handy things like "load 40%", "priority", "unload half". 20:30:40 <CIA-3> Many thanks for clean MiniIN version of patch. 20:31:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> wtf is "unload half" for? 20:32:15 <RichK67> read the forum posts about the patch 20:32:38 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 20:33:02 <RichK67> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=12193&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 20:36:32 <White_Rabbit> cool 20:37:33 <White_Rabbit> btw, when is the next miniIN version coming? (and why is http://nightly.openttd.org/MiniIN/files/ case-sensitive?) 20:37:57 <XeryusTC> and why is http://nightly.openttd.org/MiniIN/files/ case-sensitive? <- because the server is unix based? 20:38:36 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@dsl51B7A1B6.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 20:43:32 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Probably doing something else"] 20:46:51 *** Dred_furst` [i=nn@user-852.l3.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:48:23 *** White_Rabbit [i=whiterab@cpc4-oxfd8-0-0-cust713.oxfd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 20:52:41 *** Dred_furst [n=nn@user-852.l3.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:59:24 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:00:44 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 21:02:12 <Belugas_Gone> good weekend all 21:02:31 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@dsl51B7A1B6.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:03:48 <Sacro> good weekend Belugas_Gone 21:09:18 *** Aankhen`` [n=pockled@203.101.10.182] has quit ["Look ma, no script!"] 21:23:25 <gagarin_lg|away> gn8 21:23:31 *** gagarin_lg|away [n=gagarin@e178116009.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:23:44 <Bjarni> have you seen the newest mail on the mailinglist? 21:24:00 <peter1138> is it a good'un? 21:24:06 <Bjarni> that brings a whole new meaning to the term "the patch" 21:24:31 <Bjarni> "penis enlarge patch" 21:24:53 <peter1138> not got thata 21:25:02 <Sacro> hmmmm, i didnt see that in newgrf anywhere 21:25:05 <Bjarni> btw how did it happen that the mailinglist all of a sudden got targeted by spam 21:25:11 <Bjarni> and only one kind of spam 21:25:13 <Sacro> peter1138: perhaps it singled out Bjarni as the most needy ;) 21:25:17 <peter1138> must be 21:25:21 <Bjarni> lol 21:25:29 <glx> I though the mailing list was filtered 21:25:37 <Bjarni> so did I 21:25:53 <hylje> :o 21:25:59 <hylje> filter got a hole 21:28:57 * Sacro thinks Bjarni lets this kind of thing get through 21:29:47 <Bjarni> !slap Sacro 21:29:49 <jmp_ghli> >Bjarni> Bjarni knows that Sacro married five sectors from an ST-232 hard disk drive long ago. 21:30:06 <Bjarni> Sacro: we are not all like you 21:30:18 <Bjarni> which is actually a good thing :D 21:30:40 <hylje> Bjarni: that sentence fails to make sense 21:31:44 <Bjarni> ... 21:31:57 <Bjarni> I don't get what part you fail to understand :| 21:32:15 <hylje> :x 21:32:18 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 21:32:21 <Bjarni> we are not like Sacro and that's a good thing 21:32:31 <Bjarni> how can that be so tricky to understand? 21:32:34 *** Mucht|zZz [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit ["I'll be back!"] 21:32:49 <hylje> it was rather subtle 21:33:12 <Bjarni> hylje: that sentence fails to make sense 21:33:14 <Bjarni> :P 21:33:27 <hylje> indeed 21:33:40 <hylje> lets make a meme from this 21:34:06 <Sacro> meme? 21:34:13 <Bjarni> don't ask 21:34:19 <hylje> internet phenomenon 21:36:00 <Sacro> Bjarni: you dont want to be like m 21:36:01 <Sacro> e 21:38:15 * Bjarni don't plan to drop out of the education system 21:38:17 <Bjarni> so you are right 21:38:33 <Bjarni> for once, you are actually write 21:38:45 <hylje> im read 21:38:58 * Bjarni notes in his calendar that Sacro made a statement, that was actually correct 21:39:11 <Bjarni> hi read 21:39:38 <Bjarni> most people spell that name like "Reed", not read 21:39:57 <hylje> :o 21:40:27 <Sacro> Bjarni: im planning on dropping out altogether 21:41:44 <Bjarni> why? 21:42:35 <Bjarni> why do you want to discard your life and live on social security? 21:42:36 <Sacro> Bjarni: ive had enough of it all, fallen out with my mum and brother tonight 21:42:55 <Bjarni> fallen out? 21:42:59 <Sacro> im not bothered about social security 21:42:59 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has quit ["leaving"] 21:44:05 <Bjarni> well, I am 21:44:37 <Bjarni> I hate when people decide not to work at all and leech off of my tax money 21:44:58 <hylje> :x 21:45:16 <Bjarni> you know, some people intend to kill people, who leech, so you have selected a dangerous way of life 21:45:38 <hylje> leecher service 21:45:46 <hylje> could be useful for torrents too 21:46:42 <Sacro> Bjarni: YOUR tax? 21:47:49 <Bjarni> I was talking about people, who got your lifestyle, not just you 21:48:37 <Sacro> my lifestyle? 21:49:51 <Bjarni> yeah 21:50:15 <Bjarni> leeching on working people is sort of a lifestyle 21:50:23 <Sacro> i dont like having to sign on every fortnight 21:50:50 <Sacro> i dont like the fact i had to life in bottom end accomodation on a rough estate, which is now trashed, and i lost about £1500 worth of stuff 21:50:52 <Bjarni> fortnight? 21:50:57 <Bjarni> !whatis fortnight 21:50:59 <jmp_ghli> >Bjarni> Fortnight \Fort"night`\ (?; in U.S. often ?; 277), n. The space of fourteen days; two weeks. fortnight n : a period of fourteen consecutive days; "most major tennis tournaments last a fortnight" 95 Moby Thesaurus words for "fortnight": L, Sexagesima, abundant year, academic year, annum, bissextile year, boxcar, boxcars, calendar month, calendar year, century, common year, day, decade, decennary, decennium, defective year, doze 21:51:55 <Bjarni> o_O 21:52:00 <hylje> fortnight doesnt really make any sens 21:52:11 <ln-> of course it does. 21:52:21 <hylje> its not obvious at all, more like exception 21:52:50 <ln-> english is full of exceptions, in case you have managed to avoid noticing that so far. 21:53:14 <hylje> the whole language is an exception rly 21:53:16 <Sacro> its the exception that provves the rule 21:53:51 <ln-> fortnight: 1. A period of fourteen nights; two weeks. 21:54:03 <ln-> [OED] 21:54:17 <hylje> jmp ghli beat ya to it 21:54:22 <hylje> oh 21:54:24 <hylje> :x 21:54:30 <hylje> ima gonna sleep 21:55:51 <Sacro> hmm, sleep 22:00:08 * Sacro sits alone, listening to Kraftwerk 22:01:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> that is probably not the best kind of music to get into a happy mood ;) 22:01:59 * Sacro finds a new letter "æ" 22:02:14 <Sacro> ¹²³?œŸ :| whoo 22:02:39 <Sacro> @???e¶????øþæßð???j??«»¢??nµ?· :S 22:02:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> half of that is ?s 22:03:10 <Hackykid> hmm, you cant autoreplace steam engines to electric engines? 22:03:17 <Sacro> Hackykid: yeah you can 22:03:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> sure you can 22:03:26 <Hackykid> hmm, i cant? 22:03:26 <Sacro> Hackykid: theres a dropdown at the bottom 22:03:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> select electric engines at the bottom 22:03:33 <Hackykid> hehe 22:03:52 <RichK67> yeah, it was just as intuitive for me first time too :p 22:04:10 <Sacro> and make sure "wagon removal" is on 22:04:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> i had no problem with that... 22:04:13 <Hackykid> ah, i see :-) 22:04:17 <Hackykid> on? 22:04:20 <Hackykid> what does it do? 22:04:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> probably because the DBSetXL has electric engines from the start 22:04:42 <Hackykid> no it doesnt 22:04:48 <Sacro> cos when youve got a lovely UKRS mineral train with 20* 5/8 wagons, and it goes to 8/8 wagons, it gets a great deal longer 22:04:48 <Hackykid> not if you start in 1920 anyway 22:04:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> wagon removal removes wagons, so the train keeps its length 22:05:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> sure... it has an electric engine in 1920 22:05:41 <Hackykid> hmm, indeed it does 22:05:50 <Hackykid> wonder why i thought it didnt 22:06:03 <Hackykid> prolly built the wrong type of depot 22:06:16 <Hackykid> Sacro: it account for variable length wagons too? cool :-) 22:06:51 *** xahodo [n=xander@xahodo.demon.nl] has quit [] 22:06:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> wagon removal removes wagons, so the train keeps its length after replacing with longer units 22:06:57 <Sacro> yeah :) its only used for that and conversion to mu's 22:07:25 <Hackykid> and what about engines that come with a tender? :-0 22:07:29 <Hackykid> or is that a mu? 22:07:56 <CIA-3> richk * r5206 /branch/MiniIN/ (debug.c debug.h order_gui.c train_cmd.c vehicle.c): 22:07:56 <CIA-3> [MiniIN]: [AdditionalOrders]: Cleanup of some commented out sections. 22:07:56 <CIA-3> Gave debug a new category (addorders) to retain debug tracking. 22:08:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> it just looks at the length of the train, no matter what you replaced 22:08:19 <Sacro> Hackykid: yeah, it deals with them 22:08:27 <Sacro> it goes by pixel length of the train 22:08:34 <Sacro> or maybe half tile 22:08:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> i think it does it by tile 22:09:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> at least my 3-units trains (e.g. ET-87 got replaced by 4 unit dual headed (e.g. BR 420) 22:09:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> +) 22:10:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> engine+2 wagons in each case 22:11:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> wait... the 420 is not dual headed 22:11:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> i meant something else 22:11:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> whatever... 22:13:52 *** shintah [i=bebble@bebble.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [] 22:16:45 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498DAB0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:17:22 <Sacro> hmm, i wonder if i can use winegcc to produce windows binaries under linux 22:18:05 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498E275.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:19:58 *** tsimpa [n=icechat5@217-159-163-14-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:22:40 <[D]Shaman> RichK67: Good job :) 22:22:57 <RichK67> which bit?? 22:23:08 <RichK67> TGP may be snafu :( 22:24:10 <[D]Shaman> eh, orders thingie :P 22:24:20 <[D]Shaman> snafu? :o 22:24:36 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181071057.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 22:25:17 <RichK67> or not... it was giving bad desyncs in network games... ive modified TGP's VOID edge routine, and i havent seen a desync yet; but then, the real test is setting it loose out there on a real heavy duty server 22:25:50 <RichK67> speaking of which, would anyone fancy running a server with a test TGP terrain?? 22:26:31 <Sacro> is it possible to configure the Makefile to work with winegcc and wineg++? 22:27:02 <[D]Shaman> RichK67: I might be able to. 22:28:03 <Sacro> all it needs is to call wine before endian_check 22:28:26 <[D]Shaman> I used to run ottd from my linux server 22:28:29 <Sacro> [D]Shaman: situation normal, all fubared up 22:28:36 <[D]Shaman> but couldn't be arsed to restart it after it crashed :P 22:28:44 <[D]Shaman> since you were working on a new version 22:29:25 <Sacro> who here works on the makefile? pweeeeeease 22:30:02 <glx> Sacro: try TARGET_CC in Makefile.config 22:30:26 <glx> though I'm not sure for the name 22:31:31 <Sacro> glx: ./configure --target-cc=winegcc --target-cxx=wineg++ --host-cc=winegcc --os=MINGW 22:31:52 <glx> an that works? 22:31:59 <glx> +d 22:32:00 <[D]Shaman> should try to figgure out how i compiled the last minIN :P 22:32:12 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:32:14 <Sacro> glx: but it falls over on endian_check.exe cos its not a valid linux binary, but if you pass it through wine it echos out the correct values for the header 22:32:54 <Sacro> aside from the fact it calls it endian_check.exe.so 22:33:06 <glx> hmm how is it done in compile_farm for OSX? 22:34:21 <Sacro> ahh, if you remove the .so suffix, it goes 22:34:27 <Sacro> but strgen borks 22:34:53 <glx> strgen should be compiled for host too I think 22:35:14 <RichK67> okies - can someone who has a nightly dedicated server, please load this map, and then can lots of us join... it should be obvious if the map is still causing desyncs http://ottd.rkhosting.co.uk/TestTGP.sav 22:35:24 <Sacro> glx: yeah, that DOES need prefixing with wine 22:35:25 <glx> Sacro: use gcc for --host-cc 22:35:50 <glx> so target is wine and host is linux 22:35:59 <Sacro> i dont see how that will work :S 22:35:59 <XeryusTC> i'm a small genious, go to http://xeryustc.cjb.net/ and see the numbers change :) 22:36:00 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 22:36:35 <Sacro> glx: cc1: error: invalid option 'no-cygwin' 22:36:41 <[D]Shaman> wtf's that xer? 22:36:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> arg... the tick sound on update makes you crazy, XeryusTC 22:36:51 <[D]Shaman> and you lack home.html and menu.html :p 22:36:55 <Sacro> XeryusTC: your frames are borked 22:37:10 <Sacro> glx: cc1: error: invalid option 'no-cygwin' 22:37:19 <glx> Sacro: I read :) 22:37:25 <XeryusTC> it's my small eco system simulator, only one specie that eats food and there are some random births and some random deads 22:37:29 <Sacro> glx: me too, im loosing my sanity 22:37:34 <XeryusTC> and alot of deads if they don't get enough food 22:37:40 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:38:02 <Sacro> glx: ive decieded that if i cant run linux openttd, then im gonna get it to compile win32 openttd :) 22:38:04 <[D]Shaman> RichK67: Compiling latest :P 22:38:10 <RichK67> ty 22:38:15 <[D]Shaman> dunno if it'll compile properly 22:38:17 <[D]Shaman> but we'll see xD 22:38:24 <XeryusTC> i just had a population of around 150 animals so they ran out of food really quickly and there were only ~15 left after 4 ticks :) 22:38:27 <Sacro> and winegcc/winegxx seems easier than installing a cross compiler 22:38:42 <[D]Shaman> it compiled O_O 22:38:44 <[D]Shaman> without errors O_O 22:38:55 <Sacro> [D]Shaman: have faith young padawan 22:39:07 <glx> Sacro: http://svn.openttd.org/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/browser/compile_farm/controller/rules 22:39:09 <[D]Shaman> Sacro: Last time i tried compiling 22:39:11 <[D]Shaman> it took me 3 hours 22:39:14 <[D]Shaman> now.. 2 minutes :P 22:39:19 <Sacro> XeryusTC: s/eatable/edible 22:39:19 * Eddi|zuHause2 would not want to be padawan of Sacro's 22:39:28 <glx> Sacro: the rules for compile farm, maybe that could help you 22:39:49 * XeryusTC thinks that his app kills all female animals :( 22:39:54 <Sacro> glx: all that needs doing is a $WINE_PREFIX before all calls to binaries 22:40:06 <[D]Shaman> ok, it -seemed- to work 22:40:08 <XeryusTC> Sacro: thnx for the correcton ;) 22:40:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> Sacro: and you can't just change those lines in the makefile? 22:40:38 <Sacro> glx: thats set to "wine " if --os=wine, so that exe's are ran properley 22:40:47 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: yeah, im not sure how to though :P 22:40:48 <[D]Shaman> RichK67: Up and running 22:41:01 <[D]Shaman> [D]oomcraft mini_IN , password = 'doom' 22:41:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> just write "wine" everywhere you think it's appropriate ;) 22:41:11 <Sacro> and then if someone would be kind enough to check it and merge it, theres another compiler thats supprted, and its a lot easier than having a mingw cross compiler 22:41:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> either it works, or it doesn't ;) 22:41:12 <RichK67> okies 22:41:18 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: hehe, s/*/wine :P 22:41:19 <glx> Sacro: why not just crosscompiling with mingw32 and then run the exe in wine 22:41:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> * is no valid regexp 22:41:34 <[D]Shaman> now just to make sure my miniIN is compiled WITH a rev set to be able to join 22:41:43 <[D]Shaman> then I'll ask Matryx to test as well when he gets back monday. 22:41:50 <Sacro> glx: because then i'd need mingw-gcc, mingw-gxx, binutils, windres etc 22:41:57 <Sacro> glx: whereas i already have wine up and running 22:42:07 <glx> ah ok 22:42:35 <RichK67> be there soon - compiling 22:43:00 <glx> but I still think compiling with wine is a crosscompilation so HOST_CC is gcc (from linux) 22:43:04 <[D]Shaman> what's the rev on the latest compile, RichK67? :o 22:43:20 <RichK67> compile the MiniIN with RELEASE=<xxx> whatever you want 22:43:26 <RichK67> or not 22:43:29 <RichK67> ignore me 22:43:30 <[D]Shaman> or not in vs80 ;) 22:44:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> that "norev000" must come from somewhere, too, so just change that ;) 22:44:31 <Sacro> right, added WINE to list of compilers in ./configure 22:44:44 <RichK67> dunno - ive not done a sync with trunk yet tonite, but im at 5206 according to Show Log 22:46:00 <RichK67> hang on, did you do a MiniIN?? or a trunk?? i need to check against trunk 22:46:07 <RichK67> sorry 22:46:13 <[D]Shaman> MiniIN >_< 22:47:05 <RichK67> (trunk is 5203 currently) 22:47:07 <[D]Shaman> compiling trunk, then :P 22:47:53 <[D]Shaman> I'm at revision 5206.. but that's due to miniIN :P 22:48:05 <[D]Shaman> time to compile 'my' version 22:48:08 <RichK67> yup, ditto :) 22:48:38 <Sacro> hmm, its compiling 22:48:38 <RichK67> except my MiniIN has the next set of mods in it, so its a r5206M, which is no good :( 22:49:06 <[D]Shaman> where do you change revision anyways? :o 22:49:12 <[D]Shaman> (what file) 22:49:25 <Sacro> glx: it compiles... 22:49:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> a sync with trunk could be important, because it has the branch thing for the rev included 22:49:46 <RichK67> if you have svn installed, it goes to the SVN repository and sets it itself 22:50:02 <glx> Eddi|zuHause2: and it uses real latest rev 22:50:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> the pre-compiled one on the website is impossible to use for multiplayer 22:50:13 <[D]Shaman> ah, network.h 22:50:13 <Sacro> it doesnt like ssize_t :s 22:50:14 <RichK67> eddi: give me chance; i want to debug my first item first ;) 22:50:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> because the rev string is too long ;) 22:50:33 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: peter1138 has increased the rev string length i think 22:50:44 <glx> but that's fix with the trunk update yes 22:50:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> i know 22:50:59 <RichK67> yup, its in r5197 22:52:11 <[D]Shaman> RichK67: Ottd Trunk booted. 22:52:42 <RichK67> cool - name + pwd? 22:52:49 <RichK67> = 3 22:52:56 <[D]Shaman> need to check it out, it 'might' appear as [D]oomcraft // doom 22:53:02 <[D]Shaman> but not sure if it loaded the right config file 22:53:17 <[D]Shaman> vs80 is slower to compile than debian >_< 22:54:14 <RichK67> there is a doomcraft server, but its showing as 0.4.7 22:54:36 <[D]Shaman> O_O 22:55:02 * [D]Shaman goes fix 22:56:32 <Sacro> well im compileing win32 under winegcc, its good fun 22:56:33 *** Mucht [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 22:56:36 <[D]Shaman> try now? 22:57:27 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 22:58:16 <Sacro> ger 22:58:35 <Sacro> glx: any idea how to stop winegcc looking in /usr/src/include? 22:58:56 <glx> I don't know winegcc 22:59:35 <RichK67> nope - i had one match to it, tried to connect, and got an immediate connection lost 23:00:21 <Sacro> glx: well ive told it WIN32:=1 23:00:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> Sacro: change path in Makefile.config? 23:00:36 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: yeah, im trying to work out where it defines that path 23:00:41 <Sacro> maybe unix:= 23:00:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> (wild guess) 23:01:02 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: well its either Makefile.config, or somewhere in /makefiledir 23:01:27 <Sacro> yeah, it totally borks over SDL 23:01:33 <[D]Shaman> RichK67: Try again 23:01:42 <[D]Shaman> i forgot to give the ottd user access :P 23:01:45 <[D]Shaman> == crash on connect 23:02:28 <RichK67> yup 23:02:39 <[D]Shaman> the exe file (even though r5203) shows it's version 0.4.7 :P 23:02:43 <Sacro> lol 23:03:24 * [D]Shaman reboots server 23:03:26 <RichK67> are you loading the TestTGP.sav game? im sure it was a 512x512?? 23:03:41 <[D]Shaman> eh, i'm just booting up the server 23:03:55 <[D]Shaman> bit useless to load anything if it doesn't run yet xD 23:03:59 *** Dred_furst` [i=nn@user-852.l3.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:04:06 <Darkvater> eh hello 23:04:10 <Darkvater> pong to all who pinged me 23:04:59 <[D]Shaman> connecting == working 23:05:03 <RichK67> ol 23:05:08 <RichK67> lol even 23:05:17 <[D]Shaman> now to find that savegame 23:06:34 <Sacro> hehe, i got the network stuff to stop failing 23:06:44 <Sacro> make WITH_NETWORK:=0 -k 23:06:53 <[D]Shaman> RichK67: Can you connect normally? :o 23:07:29 <RichK67> i cant see your server in the list 23:07:33 <[D]Shaman> Unnamed server :P 23:07:42 <[D]Shaman> without a config file it does seem to load 23:07:47 <glx> Sacro: great :P how will you play on internet? 23:08:19 <[D]Shaman> RichK67: 80.60.31.82 == ip. 23:08:48 <RichK67> i just tried that, and im in... just wasnt being advertised 23:08:54 <Sacro> glx: well, thats the next trick... 23:09:07 <Sacro> glx: im just waiting to see if it links 23:09:47 <RichK67> can you get it to load the TGP game? 23:10:42 <Sacro> RichK67: i cant even get it to link :P 23:11:19 <[D]Shaman> RichK67: if i have that sav yes 23:11:45 <RichK67> http://ottd.rkhosting.co.uk/TestTGP.sav 23:12:13 <RichK67> should be a 512x512 mountainous, low water, rough 23:12:36 <[D]Shaman> loaded. 23:13:11 * Sacro needs a faster pc 23:13:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> is server traffic mostly outgoing or mostly incoming? 23:13:50 <RichK67> great, thanks.. now to see if it desyncs lots 23:13:55 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: yes 23:13:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> good ;) 23:14:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> now... anyone got a semantically loaded answer? 23:14:29 <Sacro> next q? 23:14:38 <Sacro> !whatis semantically 23:15:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> an answer that has actual content ;) 23:15:16 <Sacro> ahh 23:15:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> (with regards to what i wanted to know, instead of what i asked ;)) 23:16:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> i should have learned to ask proper questions meanwhile... ;) 23:16:55 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: yes, at least state whether you mean inclusive or exclusive OR 23:17:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> i mean an 'illogical' OR ;) 23:18:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> i.e. one that should not be evaluated as logical expression, but rather as a concatenation of questions ;) 23:18:48 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: hmm, thats getting complex 23:18:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> (i.e. should be answered by an equally long concatenation of matching answers) 23:19:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have not even started to get complex ;) 23:19:53 <RichK67> anyone who can, please join me on the Unnamed server at 80.60.31.82 ... i need a load of players to see if a desync occurs 23:20:15 <Brianetta> RichK67: Version? 23:20:29 <RichK67> just set up a single line each should be enough... if still alive after 6 months, i think i will have got the bug 23:20:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> trunk head? no newgrfs? 23:20:40 <RichK67> r5203 23:20:43 <Sacro> grr, cant find afxres.h 23:20:47 <RichK67> yup... plain vanilla 23:21:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> Sacro: i'd guess the DirectX SDK 23:21:20 <Brianetta> Just checking out / compiling 23:21:23 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: but im in Wine 23:21:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> exactly ;) 23:21:39 <RichK67> check out Lake Oh Wow for a really cool looking lake 23:21:45 <Sacro> ah bums 23:22:48 <[D]Shaman> RichK67: More building == more likely of a desync :) 23:23:06 <[D]Shaman> you can join company 1 if you want to go build stuff.. that is, once i get money flowing in ^^ 23:23:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... i'm not sure if i have game semantic changing patches applied right now... 23:23:36 <Sacro> well i have afxres.h 23:23:49 <Bjarni> do you believe in ghosts? 23:23:57 <RichK67> im in running a coal line, but the desync was happening really very quickly - brianetta can confirm this 23:24:06 <Brianetta> yes 23:24:12 <Brianetta> seconds, if that 23:24:25 <Bjarni> I just spent the last 3-4 minutes chasing weird sounds 23:24:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> hihi ;) 23:25:08 <Bjarni> like somebody is moving stuff around 23:25:16 <Bjarni> and guess what it was 23:25:27 <Bjarni> a cat walking on the roof 23:25:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> lol ;) 23:26:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... dutchcatw should not cause any harm, does it? 23:26:55 <Bjarni> it's like cat foodsteps on the roof tiles got the sound amplified though the roof construction or something 23:27:15 <Bjarni> also only the low frequency noise got though, making it hard to identity the sound 23:27:34 <RichK67> foodsteps... yup, sounds like my cat ... only moves in search of food ;) 23:27:39 <glx> Eddi|zuHause2: it's just cosmetic 23:28:24 * Sacro is still fiddling 23:28:43 <Bjarni> but it was really eerie, as I figured that it's something outside, so I opened the window, but there was no sound outside, since it was some sort of echo, resonance in the construction 23:29:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> i guess i am having trouble... 23:29:30 <Bjarni> so it really sounded like somebody moving stuff around inside the room, yet it was completely empty.... hence the ghost reference 23:30:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... now the game hangs 23:30:38 <[D]Shaman> Eddi|zuHause2: Yer named after the pope? :o 23:30:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> not sure... 23:30:56 <[D]Shaman> Johannes :P 23:31:02 <[D]Shaman> First time you were too slow to join 23:31:07 <[D]Shaman> this time you reported desync error 23:31:09 <RichK67> very slow :( 23:31:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> when was the pope elected? 23:32:06 <[D]Shaman> no idea 23:32:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> i thought that was after my birth... but i am not sure 23:32:18 <[D]Shaman> Only know his name was Johannes summat :P 23:32:45 *** Darkvater [n=tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has quit ["leaving"] 23:32:47 <glx> [D]Shaman: I'm sure I'm the slowest client 23:33:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> Johannes Paul II 23:36:48 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B754FC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:36:54 <Eddi|zuHause> narf... 23:36:56 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-164-217.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:37:01 <Eddi|zuHause> i hate 24h disconnect 23:37:11 <RichK67> \h 23:37:15 <RichK67> ah even 23:39:13 <Sacro> lol 23:39:51 <Sacro> Pope JP2 is dead 23:40:02 <Hackykid> hmm, my finaces window isnt showing any numbers 23:40:06 <Hackykid> *finances 23:40:22 <Hackykid> except for balance and loan... 23:40:40 <RichK67> ah... the student patch ;) 23:41:07 <Hackykid> hm? 23:41:30 <RichK67> students never know anything about their finance other than their balance and loan ;) 23:41:42 <Hackykid> hehe :-p 23:42:28 <[D]Shaman> glx: Yar but Eddi|zuHause's connection seems to suck, unlike yours :P 23:42:52 <Sacro> hehe 23:43:06 * Sacro doesnt think Hackykid plays OTTD much 23:43:22 <Sacro> gah, stop trying to compile unix.h thumps his compiler 23:43:28 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah... my connection is worse than ISDN ;) 23:43:32 <Hackykid> well, i dont really :-) 23:43:37 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03EB1.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:43:46 <Hackykid> i just started my first game in a long long long time 23:44:22 <Eddi|zuHause> the finance window will fill itself as soon as there is activity (!= 0) 23:44:25 <Hackykid> and i cant see how much income my trains are making! 23:44:35 <Hackykid> pfft, theres plenty activity 23:44:51 <Hackykid> hmm, maybe its cause i used the change date cheat! 23:45:12 <Hackykid> (forgot to set start year hehe) 23:45:32 <Eddi|zuHause> that might be it ;) 23:46:02 <Sacro> hmm 23:46:10 <Sacro> if you dont define WIN32, it falls through to unix 23:46:17 <Eddi|zuHause> i let the game run minimized... cry if i disconnect 23:46:28 <Eddi|zuHause> (which i will ;p) 23:47:21 <glx> Hackykid: if you are in a year before your company creation, it displays nothing 23:47:32 <Hackykid> ah 23:48:01 <Hackykid> oh well 23:48:19 <Hackykid> i'll just have to wait a few more years then 23:49:38 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@87.102.18.228] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 23:51:31 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@87.102.20.133] has joined #openttd 23:53:27 <Sacro> grr, it keeps appending .so to .exe 23:55:31 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["lla eyb doog"] 23:56:32 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [i=johekr@p54B75D5E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:58:54 <CIA-3> richk * r5207 /branch/MiniIN/ (11 files in 2 dirs): [MiniIN]: [GRF Cargo Subtype]: Reverted 5144 as now included in trunk.