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00:00:41 <Sacro> imachine: freetype support is coming 00:03:57 <Wolf01> 'night 00:04:00 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host86-238.pool870.interbusiness.it] has quit ["e ricordate, per la legge di avogadro non esiste cazzo quadro"] 00:05:31 <imachine> Sacro, great! 00:05:38 * imachine votes Dejavu Sans ;-) 00:05:55 <imachine> im just browsing the forums now. 00:05:57 <imachine> the wiki too. 00:06:06 <imachine> cool new graphics! slow work but great work! 00:06:57 <Sacro> heh, lots of new goodies coming after 0.5.0 00:07:55 *** Rens2Sea [n=Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has quit [] 00:08:57 <imachine> :) 00:09:09 <imachine> OpenTTD 0.4.7 00:09:14 <imachine> that's what i got now ;) 00:11:21 <Sacro> 0.4.8 is due out soon 00:11:26 *** mrzero [i=mrzero@unaffiliated/mrzero] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:12:18 <imachine> i'll wait once it gets packaged :-) 00:12:51 <imachine> alltaken is doing lovely work. 00:12:52 <imachine> huge kudos. 00:13:17 *** mrzero [i=mrzero@unaffiliated/mrzero] has joined #openttd 00:13:22 <imachine> well not only him ofcourse. 00:13:26 <imachine> but the graphics are very nice :) 00:16:27 <imachine> it seems like a long way to go, but the possible results really do tickle the imagination :-] 00:18:03 <Sacro> Alltaken is the head graphics bloke i think, but there are other people who have done great graphics 00:19:02 <imachine> Sacro, yeah, i did say that didnt i now. 00:19:20 <imachine> still, browsing his stuff atm; so i can brag about his work :P 00:19:20 <Sacro> hehe :) i know 00:19:38 <imachine> i've seen the other work too. a few i didnt like too much. tho they just need work imho. 00:19:46 <imachine> its still great people find time to make this together. 00:20:19 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@dsl51B63E2C.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [] 00:20:32 <imachine> chris should be happy after all; nevertheless if he might be pissed due to people altering his work, he did manage to stir up a community big enough with it that so many people come together to work on this now. 00:20:42 <imachine> i think most of the devs did play TTD in the past eh 00:20:58 <imachine> i know i did *g* 00:20:58 <imachine> ;] 00:22:01 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACCA1028.ipt.aol.com] has quit [] 00:27:29 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [n=johekr@p54B7513B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:27:38 <Sacro> ive been playing it since TTO 00:28:58 <imachine> yeah. 00:29:12 <imachine> same here. 00:29:40 *** ammler [n=ammler@99.156.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 00:32:04 <CIA-3> belugas * r5504 /trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Feature : Added Italian town name generator. (sidew) 00:33:42 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 00:39:23 <CIA-3> belugas * r5505 /branches/newgrf_lab/ (27 files in 4 dirs): [newgrf_lab] Synch with trunk up to 5504 00:46:44 *** Sacro [n=ben@213.249.248.230] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:51:46 *** Damme [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 00:53:53 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-213-249-240-50.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 01:09:42 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-213-249-240-50.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:15:35 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03EB1.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:16:52 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 01:19:40 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 01:27:54 <CIA-3> belugas * r5506 /branches/newgrf_lab/newgrf.c: [newgrf_lab] : Fix r5505, forgotten conflict in newgrf.c 01:39:59 *** Damme [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:46:43 *** Damme [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 01:49:57 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 01:56:16 *** roboman [n=Leo@c220-239-174-188.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:11:54 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:12:29 *** Belugas [n=Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 02:13:18 *** Belugas_Gone [n=Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 02:13:49 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 02:20:49 *** Vornicus [n=vorn@71-213-115-201.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #openttd 02:35:55 *** ammler [n=ammler@99.156.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:45:32 *** fusee [i=fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has joined #openttd 02:46:05 *** Vano [n=skachkov@d36-169-7.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #openttd 02:54:10 * Vornicus blings at you all. So there. 02:54:10 *** roboman [n=Leo@c220-239-174-188.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:03:01 *** fusey [i=fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:03:02 *** fusee is now known as fusey 03:08:31 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Bye!"] 03:11:05 <vrak> ? 03:11:32 * Vornicus blings at vrak especially. 03:12:34 * vrak yawns 03:15:39 *** Vano [n=skachkov@d36-169-7.home1.cgocable.net] has left #openttd [] 03:16:51 *** mattfury [n=x@216.164.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #openttd 03:17:09 <mattfury> hmm, this wasnt here before was it? 03:17:31 <Vornicus> Before what? I don't remember it being elsewhere? 03:17:43 <mattfury> i've never been here before 03:18:12 <mattfury> well, i have, its just never had people in it..? 03:18:26 <Vornicus> Must have been a long timeago. 03:18:28 <vrak> been here a while now, hasn't it? 03:19:55 <mattfury> anyone want a game.. im a noob 03:20:56 <mattfury> and it has been along time since i last played :/ 03:22:02 <vrak> sorry, but i'm fairly noobish myself and i'm way too sleepy to focus on building networks 03:22:15 <mattfury> can i request a feature? 03:22:48 <Belugas_Gone> you can request anything, it might not be accepted, though ;) 03:23:14 <mattfury> if a vehicle/train/aircraft loads at a station a load limit? 03:23:33 <mattfury> say if it has 800 passengers max, only load 400. 03:23:37 <mattfury> then leave. 03:23:48 <mattfury> like in rct. 03:24:48 *** Forexs- [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k886.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:24:59 <mattfury> just sucks when you have an uber fast train and you want to see it move, and you have to wait for the passengers to load or skip that station and leave missing people. 03:26:00 <mattfury> good idea? ^^ 03:27:22 <Triffid_Hunter> mattfury: if you don't set full load, it just picks up whatever's waiting 03:27:42 <Triffid_Hunter> which is close enough to what you want for me 03:28:16 <mattfury> doesnt really work when you have about 20 trains tho..' 03:30:05 <Triffid_Hunter> hehe that's when you need a bigger station with a decent feed system of tracks 03:31:37 <mattfury> as i said earlier, im a noob! 03:32:00 <mattfury> :P 03:40:32 *** mattfury [n=x@216.164.233.220.exetel.com.au] has left #openttd [] 04:02:51 *** Vornicus [n=vorn@71-213-115-201.slkc.qwest.net] has quit [] 04:37:32 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-208-182.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 04:48:37 *** Zahl22 [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-205-035.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:20:11 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-208-182.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["YOU! It was you wasn't it!?"] 05:21:36 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 05:42:59 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 05:49:09 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-53-180.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 05:50:25 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:02:28 <CIA-3> miham * r5507 /trunk/lang/ (6 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 06:02:28 <CIA-3> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-07-16 08:01:56 06:02:28 <CIA-3> french - 1 fixed by glx (1) 06:02:28 <CIA-3> hungarian - 1 fixed by miham (1) 06:02:28 <CIA-3> icelandic - 4 fixed, 3 changed by scrooge (7) 06:02:29 <CIA-3> norwegian - 2 fixed by brygge_2 (1), oletk (1) 06:02:31 <CIA-3> portuguese - 1 fixed by izhirahider (1) 06:02:53 <MiHaMiX> ukrainian - 1 fixed by znikoz (1) 06:51:50 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 07:07:30 *** mattfury [n=mattfury@216.164.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:07:34 <mattfury> hi guys 07:07:52 <mattfury> i was just surfing, and wondering if anyone ever saw this? http://openttd.teamjak.net/ 07:07:59 <mattfury> openttd for psp 07:10:22 <MiHaMiX> hmm 07:10:58 <mattfury> as im getting a psp on monday ^-^ first game to install eh? 07:11:55 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3DFAC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:12:15 <Tron> ===> Compiling namegen.c 07:12:15 <Tron> namegen.c: In function `MakeItalianTownName': 07:12:15 <Tron> namegen.c:668: warning: assignment discards qualifiers from pointer target type 07:12:15 <Tron> namegen.c:671: warning: assignment discards qualifiers from pointer target type 07:12:18 <Tron> Belugas_Gone! 07:13:08 <MiHaMiX> Tron: do you know about this: http://openttd.teamjak.net/ ? 07:13:34 <Tron> never seen the URL before 07:13:44 <MiHaMiX> Tron: and the site which is behind the url? 07:13:45 <Tron> ah, the psp port 07:13:58 <Tron> i heard there was a PSP port 07:14:08 <Tron> but i don't know any details 07:14:17 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-65.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 07:14:41 <MiHaMiX> probably if there's no legal problems we should incorporate the PSP port as well 07:14:49 <mattfury> ill test it err ... tommorow :) 07:15:06 <mattfury> yay 07:15:50 <mattfury> legal problems? i can imagine millions of people playing it now ^^ 07:15:59 <MiHaMiX> Tron: Belugas_Gone is sleeping most probably... say, until, 13 CEST 07:16:11 <mattfury> lol. 07:16:12 <Tron> i know he's canadian, thanks (: 07:16:30 <mattfury> you want me to find the devel...? 07:16:34 <Tron> oh, and i'm still waiting that the new airports get fixed 07:16:48 <MiHaMiX> Tron: what's their prob? 07:16:55 <mattfury> so when do the new gfx come out? 07:16:59 <mattfury> 0.5.0? 07:17:09 <ln-> what new gfx? 07:17:18 <Tron> there are planes in the build list of helicopter-only ports 07:17:43 <mattfury> i saw some new buildings and stuff that havent been incorporated into it yet :| 07:17:58 <Tron> for 3 or 4 weeks now there's a promise for fixing it, which still isn't fulfilled 07:18:03 <mattfury> im not sure how finished they are. 07:18:24 <mattfury> ill check if theres also a DS port :P 07:18:27 <MiHaMiX> Tron: strange, since it's doesn't sound to me as a big problem.. 07:19:15 <Tron> oh, it's no big problem for me either: if it doesn't get fixed, it gets axed 07:19:34 <MiHaMiX> Tron: axed? 07:20:15 <Tron> axe, tool to cut wood 07:20:36 <Tron> to axe ... in a metaphorical sense, go figure 07:21:17 <mattfury> i'd like to see if there ever was a nintendo ds port of any gnu open source console game, being able play console to console 07:21:22 <ln-> axe, ax, v. : 1. trans. To shape or trim with an axe. 2. To remove (officials, etc.) to save expenditure; to cut down (expenditure, etc.) by means of 'the axe'. 07:22:05 <MiHaMiX> ahh 07:22:55 <mattfury> example.: psp to ds gameplay... 07:23:11 <mattfury> or is DS 802.11G or B? 07:23:14 <MiHaMiX> Tron: i know what axe means, i just didnt know axe as verb 07:24:39 <Tron> MiHaMiX: "Source is now a bit more clean, but it can be always improved, also is pending to be reviewed if it can be added to the official openttd svn." 07:24:45 <Tron> (their own readme) 07:26:02 <Tron> the biggest obstacle would be if they modified any ingame windows to make them fit on the psp screen 07:26:02 <MiHaMiX> Tron: ahh, nice, it seems I was way too lazy to read, thanks 07:26:26 <Tron> i don't want dozens of #ifdefs for window layouts, that would be a total mess 07:29:31 <mattfury> heh 07:29:47 <mattfury> hmm NDS is 802.11G/B 07:31:34 <mattfury> PSP is 802.11B 07:32:07 <mattfury> now why the fuck cant some guy (e.g. myself!) make some program to make DS play with or against PSP 07:32:55 <vrak> ottd on DS? 07:33:10 <MiHaMiX> mattfury: if they can communicate on wireless using standards then most probably you can :) 07:34:40 <mattfury> yeah 07:34:48 <mattfury> the linkage project :D 07:35:04 <mattfury> DS + PSP play = zuber AWEseom!!!11!! 07:35:11 <mattfury> (+pc play) 07:36:56 <mattfury> ohh maybe its the PSP's AES encryption? 07:37:06 <mattfury> because you need a key to play 07:37:21 <mattfury> but i guess if you use elfloader you bypass it. 07:37:31 <mattfury> < v2.60 07:37:47 <mattfury> well g2g guys, cya tommorow. 07:37:51 <mattfury> :) 07:38:14 *** mattfury [n=mattfury@216.164.233.220.exetel.com.au] has quit ["Leaving"] 07:42:45 *** narthollis [n=nano-tec@dsl-203-113-237-125.SA.netspace.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:54:40 <peter1138> hi 08:02:24 *** Mucht [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 08:08:01 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:11:36 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-201-101.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:14:28 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has joined #openttd 08:19:58 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181071058.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:22:51 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387D2E3.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:26:25 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498F2F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:27:30 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@dsl51B7A0BA.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 08:28:57 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B3638A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:36:24 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03EB1.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 08:47:54 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-53-180.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit ["Au reviour!"] 08:55:47 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host86-238.pool870.interbusiness.it] has joined #OpenTTD 08:56:04 <Wolf01> hi 08:57:09 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:07:33 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3DFAC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 09:08:57 *** roboman [n=Leo@c220-239-174-188.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:09:51 *** Osai is now known as Osai^work 09:12:08 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B7513B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:29:09 *** aequitas [n=aequitas@a85136.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 09:30:11 *** Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 09:33:40 *** aequitas [n=aequitas@a85136.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 09:40:13 *** Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 09:44:02 *** Angst [n=Angst@p54944A45.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:47:09 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AFK 09:50:47 *** narthollis [n=nano-tec@dsl-203-113-237-125.SA.netspace.net.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:08:45 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498F2F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Ciao"] 10:10:23 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 10:16:28 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 10:17:52 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 10:20:20 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E974.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 10:22:01 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498F2F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:27:57 *** KUDr [i=KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:30:41 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:36:25 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #OpenTTD 10:40:04 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-175-64.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:40:48 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 10:43:39 *** ammler [n=ammler@198.180.186.195.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 10:50:50 *** anboni [i=daemon@ivory.xs4all.nl] has quit [] 10:51:23 *** anboni [i=daemon@ivory.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:52:56 <ammler> /msg NickServ IDENTIFY verzug 10:54:45 <[Shaman]> smart... 10:56:34 *** ammler [n=ammler@198.180.186.195.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:58:10 *** ammler [n=ammler@198.180.186.195.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 11:00:13 *** ammler [n=ammler@198.180.186.195.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 11:01:04 *** ammler [n=ammler@198.180.186.195.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 11:01:04 *** ammler [n=ammler@198.180.186.195.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 11:01:09 <Brianetta> lol 11:01:11 <Brianetta> who was that? 11:01:38 <[Shaman]> either he himself or somebody who found it funny to harass him O_O 11:01:56 *** ammler [n=ammler@198.180.186.195.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 11:02:01 <Brianetta> ammler: change it 11:02:54 <[Shaman]> We can just as well nick his nick and drop it >_> 11:03:38 <Sacro> 444444444444444444444444444444444444-+ 11:03:42 <[Shaman]> O_O 11:04:25 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 11:04:28 <Brianetta> [Shaman]: Funnier to change the passwprd 11:04:31 <Brianetta> and the email 11:04:39 <Sacro> hmmm, thats what happens when you close the lid with a cable in 11:04:51 <[Shaman]> Brianetta: hm 11:05:38 <Brianetta> heh, you can't change your password on IRC 11:05:55 <ammler> aha,was here 11:06:10 <[Shaman]> ammler: change yer nickserv pass.. 11:06:27 <ammler> how? 11:06:31 <Brianetta> 103 people clients saw it 11:06:39 <[Shaman]> /msg nickserv set password <newpassword> 11:06:45 <[Shaman]> else we can keep killing you for fun :P 11:06:54 *** aequitas [n=aequitas@a85136.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 11:07:00 <[Shaman]> or worse, nick your nick :p 11:07:33 <ammler> ok, changed 11:07:46 <[Shaman]> k 11:07:52 <ammler> I will install GAIM on my windows, too. 11:08:13 <ammler> thx 11:11:52 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-175-64.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:12:22 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-175-64.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:13:25 <Sacro> stupid laptop 11:15:18 *** aequitas [n=aequitas@a85136.upc-a.chello.nl] has left #openttd [] 11:20:44 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:30:05 <Zavior> Kill it with fire 11:30:16 *** ammler [n=ammler@198.180.186.195.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.4/2006050817]"] 11:32:44 <Sacro> Zavior: i could...but im hoping it lasts to see my first LUG meeting 11:33:59 <Brianetta> Sacro: Which LUG? 11:34:08 <Sacro> Brianetta: beverley 11:34:44 <Brianetta> They're the one with the thin web page 11:34:50 <Sacro> eh? 11:34:52 *** Wolf01|AFK is now known as Wolf01 11:35:25 <Brianetta> never mind 11:35:31 <Brianetta> You go to their IRC meetings? 11:35:55 <Sacro> no, never seen anyone online 11:36:11 <Brianetta> Next Meeting 11:36:11 <Brianetta> Sunday 9th April 2006 11:36:16 <Brianetta> Encouraging (: 11:36:30 * Brianetta runs Tyneside LUG 11:36:51 <Sacro> heh, well according to their mailing list, the next meeting is at 4pm 11:37:01 <Brianetta> They should remember that they have a web site 11:37:13 <Sacro> i just joined #bevlug, and im an Op :D 11:37:15 <Brianetta> oh, and that the mailing list link on the web site is 404 (*: 11:37:49 <Sacro> hmmm, ill mention it later 11:38:31 <Brianetta> Oh, not all the links are 404 11:38:52 <Brianetta> Not Found 11:38:52 <Brianetta> The requested URL /index.html was not found on this server. 11:38:53 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:38:56 *** ammler [n=marcel@198.180.186.195.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 11:38:59 <Sacro> hmm, strange 11:39:00 <Brianetta> "Back to home" links are sometimes broken 11:39:11 <Brianetta> I'd suggest you tell them the sitre needs a complete going-over 11:39:22 <Sacro> yes it does 11:42:53 *** Rens2Sea [n=Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has joined #openTTD 11:43:25 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 11:46:41 <blathijs> Rubidium: Your OV jaarkaart is at the Albert Heijn at twekkelerveld 11:48:49 <Sacro> blathijs: hmm, i understand around 50% of that 11:49:23 <blathijs> Less, I'd expect ;-) 11:49:45 <Sacro> nope, Your, is at the, at :P 11:49:52 <Sacro> 5 out of 10 words 11:50:00 <Qball> OV == public transport 11:50:04 <blathijs> Albert Heijn is a store, Twekkelerveld is an area here, an OV jaarkaart is a public transport pass 11:50:24 <Sacro> ahh, makes a bit more sense now 11:50:57 <blathijs> and somebody in another IRC channel mentioned that he saw Rubidium's OV at the lost and found, so I thought I'd tell him ;-) 11:51:23 <Sacro> hmm, an IRC based lost and found 11:52:12 *** webfreakz [n=Ronald@195.73.147.226] has joined #openttd 11:52:19 <webfreakz> hi! 11:52:24 <Sacro> hey webfreakz 11:52:25 <blathijs> Sacro: :-) 11:52:31 <webfreakz> :) 11:52:38 <webfreakz> i've got a guestion 11:52:44 <Sacro> gestion? 11:52:49 <Sacro> *guestion? 11:53:02 <Sacro> i recommend a doctor 11:53:21 <webfreakz> which line(s) should i comment in economy.c if i don't want to new subsidies? 11:53:31 <webfreakz> *question 11:53:36 <webfreakz> are you happy now? :) 11:53:47 <webfreakz> line 1000? 11:55:10 <webfreakz> // 25% chance to go on 11:55:10 <webfreakz> if (CHANCE16(1,4)) { 11:55:10 <webfreakz> // Find a free slot 11:55:10 <webfreakz> s = _subsidies; 11:55:14 <Sacro> webfreakz: happier, yes :) 11:55:20 <webfreakz> great :) 11:56:34 <Rubidium> blathijs: already heard that, but did not miss it yet :) but thanks :) 11:58:43 <webfreakz> is there anyone out here who could answer my question? 11:58:45 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 11:58:57 *** Damme__ [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 11:59:58 <Sacro> ooh, formula 1 about to start 12:00:25 <webfreakz> so? 12:02:32 *** _max_ [i=xXx@seduce-and-destroy.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 12:02:44 <Rubidium> webfreakz: I think you can comment out line 1486 in economy.c (SubsidyMonthlyHandler();) but I'm not sure and I've not tested it 12:03:00 *** __max_ [i=xXx@seduce-and-destroy.com] has joined #openttd 12:04:07 <webfreakz> ok Rubidium 12:04:08 <webfreakz> thx 12:04:50 <webfreakz> it's even greater to 'mess' with this function than the function where line 1000 is part of 12:05:03 *** aequitas [n=aequitas@f49248.upc-f.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 12:06:34 <webfreakz> i will let you know 12:07:42 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:15:52 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 12:17:02 *** Damme [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:18:55 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E974.pool.t-online.hu] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 12:44:48 *** smeding [n=roysmedi@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:45:07 <[Shaman]> ok, there's something SERIOUSLY wrong with MiniIN :P 12:45:19 <[Shaman]> I build a 0 track, i lose 7000-something 12:45:29 <[Shaman]> i destroy it, it sais i gain 100, instead i gain 1000 o_O 12:46:06 <Wolf01> disable the daylength patch setting it to 1x 12:46:24 <[Shaman]> disabling the affect-economy thing doesn't fix it? 12:46:58 <Wolf01> no, the old version of the patch break it instead of fix it 12:47:20 <Wolf01> if you want, you can compile the new version of the patch 12:47:20 <[Shaman]> ah, is there a fix for it? :o 12:47:24 <[Shaman]> daylength == good 12:48:44 <Wolf01> i'm still working on it 12:48:54 <[Shaman]> k 12:49:00 <Wolf01> but there is more to to to fix the economy totally 12:49:04 <Wolf01> *to do 12:49:38 <Wolf01> here is the patch: http://www.tt-forums.net//files/daylength_bugfix_5477_662.diff 12:50:16 <[Shaman]> that should fix the money thing? :o sweet 12:50:31 <Wolf01> this fix the building/selling costs 12:50:40 *** Oak [i=mika@oak.oaknet.biz] has joined #openttd 12:50:40 *** Oak_ [i=mika@oak.oaknet.biz] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:51:15 <[Shaman]> \e/ 12:51:26 <Wolf01> but all incomes are less than before and running costs are daylength related and not year related 12:52:48 <[Shaman]> hm 12:56:17 <Wolf01> this only if you enable the "affect economy" switch 12:57:44 <Sacro> theres no daylength bugs... 13:00:20 <Wolf01> sacro, i'll be glad if you use your fingers to help me to fix that patch, as it's at half your work 13:01:39 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:03:12 <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: they're all features? ;) 13:04:19 *** aequitas_ [n=aequitas@f49248.upc-f.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 13:05:48 *** Frostregen_ [i=SADDAM@dslb-084-058-186-185.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:11:01 <webfreakz> rubidium: it doesn't work 13:13:47 <Wolf01> Frostregen_: how much work to start the join stations patch? 13:13:58 <webfreakz> what does it do? 13:14:12 *** aequitas [n=aequitas@f49248.upc-f.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:14:20 <Wolf01> the join stations patch? 13:14:25 <webfreakz> yup 13:14:31 <webfreakz> you can already join stations? 13:14:41 <Wolf01> yes but not like lomo 13:14:55 <webfreakz> i haven't played Lomo (yet) 13:15:27 <Wolf01> you will be able to join a station by placing a new tile on the catchement area and not directly adjacent at the previous station 13:15:50 <webfreakz> ah 13:15:51 <webfreakz> okay 13:15:58 *** smeding [n=roysmedi@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit ["leaving"] 13:16:35 <roboman> gnight 13:16:51 <webfreakz> night? 13:17:04 <webfreakz> it's 3 PM here! 13:17:11 <Wolf01> maybe he is in the other face of the world 13:17:20 <webfreakz> australia? :) 13:17:30 <roboman> yep 13:17:37 <webfreakz> ah okay 13:17:41 <webfreakz> then it's alright 13:18:00 *** aequitas_ [n=aequitas@f49248.upc-f.chello.nl] has quit [] 13:22:48 <Sacro> Wolf01: fix it? its not broken! 13:22:53 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: yes :) 13:24:09 *** Frostregen [n=sucks@dslb-084-058-160-073.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:24:27 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 13:26:37 <Eddi|zuHause> <Wolf01> Frostregen_: how much work to start the join stations patch? <- that is really easy, you just have to extend the tile loop in the appropriate function to 4 tiles radius, instead of 1 13:26:57 <Eddi|zuHause> i have done something like that once... 13:28:01 <Wolf01> but i need to code a popup which ask for the station to join if you try to place a new tile on an intersection of catchement areas 13:29:16 <ln-> so now we know mr. Tron is still alive. 13:31:00 *** anboni [i=daemon@ivory.xs4all.nl] has quit [] 13:33:17 <Eddi|zuHause> popup is a bad idea... 13:33:39 <webfreakz> rubidium: I solved it by placing ' /* ' and ' */ ' on line 1000 & 1031 13:33:46 <Eddi|zuHause> the way it would be with just extending the range is, that it refuses to build, because it is close to 2 stations 13:35:23 * MiHaMiX kicks CIA-3 13:35:34 <MiHaMiX> CIA-3 seems to be dead :-( 13:35:47 <webfreakz> yesterday CiA-3 said "ow" 13:35:54 <webfreakz> so... 13:35:56 <webfreakz> yup 13:36:02 <webfreakz> i kicked him to death 13:36:32 *** tokai|3 [n=tokai@p54B836E1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:36:34 <webfreakz> /status away! 13:37:18 <MiHaMiX> ok, in this case... 13:37:21 <MiHaMiX> r5508 13:37:23 <MiHaMiX> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-07-16 15:34:22 13:37:23 <MiHaMiX> bulgarian - 61 fixed by kokobongo (61) 13:37:23 <MiHaMiX> dutch - 1 fixed by Zr40 (1) 13:37:23 <MiHaMiX> polish - 1 fixed by meush (1) 13:37:53 <Sacro> MiHaMiX: you lie! 13:38:14 <webfreakz> :/ 13:38:16 <MiHaMiX> Sacro: ? 13:38:29 * webfreakz kicks Sacro :) 13:38:34 <Sacro> :o 13:38:35 <CIA-3> ow 13:38:40 <webfreakz> he's alive!!!!!!!!!!! 13:38:42 <Wolf01> lol 13:39:00 <MiHaMiX> yes, but a little bit laggy :D 13:39:06 * webfreakz kicks CIA-3 13:39:15 * MiHaMiX kicks webfreakz 13:39:27 * Sacro kicks himself 13:39:28 <MiHaMiX> who is the faster to saying: ow 13:39:32 <webfreakz> ow 13:39:35 *** ChrisM87 [n=ChrisM@p54AC636B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:39:36 <CIA-3> ow 13:39:37 <Sacro> hmm 13:39:39 <MiHaMiX> lol :D 13:39:40 <webfreakz> whaha 13:39:41 <webfreakz> i won! 13:39:45 <webfreakz> damn 13:39:48 <webfreakz> he's really laggy 13:40:02 <webfreakz> i'll be back later 13:40:03 <webfreakz> cya 13:40:06 <MiHaMiX> bye 13:40:55 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACCA1028.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 13:41:06 <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro is broken... 13:41:10 <Eddi|zuHause> he did not say 'ow' 13:41:33 <Kuja^> :o 13:42:17 <Sacro> ow :( 13:42:33 <CIA-3> miham * r5508 /trunk/lang/ (dutch.txt polish.txt unfinished/bulgarian.txt): 13:42:33 <CIA-3> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-07-16 15:34:22 13:42:33 <CIA-3> bulgarian - 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Get in the Jesus Christ! 16:55:43 <hylje> whens soap coming to finland anyway? 16:58:37 *** egladil_ibook [n=egladil@h31n3fls301o1035.telia.com] has joined #openttd 17:02:39 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@cpc1-midd6-0-0-cust442.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:02:42 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@cpc1-midd6-0-0-cust442.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:03:52 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@cpc1-midd6-0-0-cust442.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:06:59 <elho> peter1138: hmm yes, but still, a factor of 2.5 compared to mail is a bit much, makes it useless to transport valuables by plane... and actually, valuables in the age of aviation are more likely stocks than gold barrels ;) 17:07:25 *** egladil [n=egladil@h31n3fls301o1035.telia.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:07:26 <hylje> :> 17:07:28 <hylje> tru 17:07:53 <hylje> generally more valuables should fit into planes 17:07:56 <Dred_furst> Hey 17:07:57 <hylje> useless as of now 17:08:05 <hylje> hi 17:08:32 <Dred_furst> Where can i get the "Bridge over many things" nightly? 17:09:18 <glx> Dred_furst: nowhere (there's no nightly for this branch) 17:09:25 <Dred_furst> ok 17:10:22 <Dred_furst> Thanks :) 17:12:47 <elho> or a passenger, a plane won't be too heavy just because all passengers are fat. so lets take a 130kg person + 20kg luggage, thats 150kg per passenger. now given that 1/3 as many bags of valueables fit a plane, assuming the same total weight, that would be enormously huge bags... 17:15:10 <hylje> Dred_furst: you can fetch the sources from the svn though 17:15:14 <hylje> Dred_furst: and build that 17:15:25 *** narthollis [n=nano-tec@dsl-203-113-237-214.SA.netspace.net.au] has quit ["Reconnecting"] 17:15:52 <Dred_furst> hylje not today, i dont have VSC on this PC (im ablut 250 miles from home) 17:15:56 *** narthollis [n=nano-tec@dsl-203-113-237-214.SA.netspace.net.au] has joined #openttd 17:21:05 *** MeusH [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 17:21:11 <MeusH> hello 17:21:31 <MeusH> does anyone here know java a bit? 17:23:22 <MeusH> or a java oriented irc channel? 17:24:56 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03EB1.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:25:25 *** aequitas [n=aequitas@f49248.upc-f.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:27:37 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 17:28:03 *** aequitas [n=aequitas@f49248.upc-f.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:28:31 <mIGu> where is economy simulated in multiplayer games? on server only, or on all clients? because I've found a bug and I want to test patch on server without rolling it out to all clients 17:28:41 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03EB1.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:29:15 <glx> every actions are done on server and clients 17:30:23 <mIGu> so there will be some kind of mismatch? ok, i'll test it in single player first 17:31:06 *** aequitas [n=aequitas@f49248.upc-f.chello.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:33:37 *** ems [n=e@203-214-153-235.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 17:33:53 <ems> hello 17:33:59 <ems> is there a way to undo a change while making a map? 17:34:05 <ems> using r5480 17:35:09 <ems> because I fucked up something... 17:35:12 <MeusH> nope, sorry 17:35:18 <ems> and to fix it would take 30min 17:35:23 <ems> MeusH: damit! 17:35:28 <ems> openttd sucks 17:35:41 <ems> :( 17:35:47 *** aequitas [n=aequitas@f49248.upc-f.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:35:53 <ems> this is a must have feature 17:35:59 <MeusH> ttdpatch and you suck more 17:36:02 <MeusH> this game does NOT suck 17:36:33 <MeusH> yes, this feature would be awesome, but limit yourself from using such a words 17:37:14 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@cpc1-midd6-0-0-cust442.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.0 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 17:39:12 <ems> MeusH: sorry 17:39:23 <ems> okay we have a consensus 17:39:32 <ems> MeusH will add the feature 17:39:34 <ems> :p 17:40:03 <MeusH> no problem, I just recently realised computer games do not suck, because people spent lot of their time developing it 17:41:20 <ems> FUCK 17:41:32 <ems> I just fucked it up more 17:41:37 <ems> damit it 17:41:44 <ems> this would take over 1hr to fix up 17:43:42 <ems> brb 17:45:54 <MeusH> save it more often 17:46:33 <MeusH> you certainly have diskspace to save even 50 temp versions of your scenario 17:50:59 <hylje> hmm 17:51:19 <hylje> are several road styles possible 17:52:37 <hylje> would be good if you could do cheap dirt roads with low speed limit early and to places with little traffic and later upgrade that to paved and highway-class 17:53:24 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 17:55:32 *** ammler [n=marcel@246.127.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 18:02:27 *** aequitas [n=aequitas@f49248.upc-f.chello.nl] has quit [] 18:04:39 <MeusH> oh no 18:04:41 <MeusH> damn 18:04:59 <MeusH> all that java tutorials are written by some nerds 18:05:06 <MeusH> who think I know as much as they 18:05:45 <MeusH> they write some lines of code, but they don't talk about any imports (like includes in C) so how should I know how to compile? 18:06:41 <Oak> imports aren't that difficult 18:07:16 <hylje> you cant place neutral locks? :( 18:07:17 <Oak> imports are like use in c++ 18:09:06 <XeryusTC> arent imports like includes in c/c++? 18:09:09 <MeusH> yeah, but I don't know what to import 18:09:18 <MeusH> in all that tutorials you see like one function 18:09:23 <MeusH> without important rest of the file 18:09:33 <XeryusTC> :/ 18:10:12 <MeusH> it's like someone gave you OpenTTD cheat window widget to learn C from, you compile it and BANG, dozen of errors 18:10:14 *** ammler [n=marcel@246.127.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has left #openttd [] 18:10:25 <MeusH> yes, imports are like includes 18:10:53 <webfreakz> JAVA sucks anyway 18:11:27 <MeusH> I want to write some games for my mobile 18:11:31 <MeusH> I'll start with easy ones 18:11:38 <webfreakz> an OpenTTD clone? 18:11:39 <MeusH> but there is one game in my mind... 18:11:40 <hylje> python 18:11:41 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc691918215.direcpc.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:11:46 <MeusH> nah, not OpenTTD 18:11:51 <webfreakz> ok :( 18:11:55 <MeusH> hylje: what do you mean? 18:12:04 <webfreakz> use python instead of JAVA? 18:12:11 <MeusH> Does symbian understand python? 18:12:27 <MeusH> or you mean writing in python, then converting to java? 18:12:37 <hylje> some freak should have written a python runtime for symbian by now 18:13:19 <MeusH> wow, I found a tutorial with full code. The first copy-paste working code I found! 18:14:49 <webfreakz> :) 18:14:49 <ems> thank you MeusH 18:15:18 <webfreakz> ems: try using autosave: every month 18:16:11 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc691918215.direcpc.com] has joined #openttd 18:16:47 <MeusH> does autosave work in editor? 18:17:49 <MeusH> no problem ems, once I was furious about lack of undo, but once I started to save map before each major change, the problem was gone 18:20:13 <ems> MeusH: you are going to add it? 18:20:33 <MeusH> I don't think so 18:21:02 <MeusH> that would require storing vast data in the memory 18:21:10 <MeusH> let's say someone calls a clear function 18:21:15 <MeusH> that function clears the tile 18:21:28 <MeusH> let's say I undo this 18:21:50 <MeusH> but how should OpenTTD know what was on that tile before? 18:22:06 <MeusH> a station? 18:22:14 <MeusH> a tree? 18:22:16 <MeusH> the trees? 18:22:33 <MeusH> s/the/three 18:31:37 *** Pixelz [n=pix@pix.pp.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:34:07 *** Osai^work is now known as Osai 18:40:50 *** Pixelz [n=pix@pix.pp.se] has joined #openttd 18:48:34 <Rubidium> MeusH: you only need to save 'raw' tiles that you have changed with some metadata which says which says which tile it is, unless you want to undo the creation of towns and/or industries 18:48:48 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176123135.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:50:02 <MeusH> well, you may be right 18:50:09 <MeusH> but I need explanaition 18:50:14 <MeusH> explaination* 18:50:37 <MeusH> let's do some command on tile #foo 18:50:52 *** aequitas [n=aequitas@f49248.upc-f.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 18:51:14 <MeusH> so in the clear command I shall save somewhere all information about the tile #foo, then clear it 18:51:27 <MeusH> and in case of undoing, revert 18:51:35 <MeusH> to a saved state? 18:53:05 <Rubidium> basically yes 18:53:37 <Rubidium> on revert you just overwrite the tiles that you are reverting with the backed up information 18:54:55 *** webfreakz [n=Ronald@195.73.147.226] has quit ["Bye"] 18:56:10 <MeusH> where can be the info stored? 18:57:07 <Rubidium> you need to make a new structure to store the undo information in 18:58:14 <MeusH> allright 18:58:16 <MeusH> thanks for info 18:59:12 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-53-180.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 19:02:02 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k886.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 19:04:01 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:04:23 * Brianetta thinks about going to college to learn origveh 19:12:20 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@82-43-56-32.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:13:21 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host86-238.pool870.interbusiness.it] has joined #OpenTTD 19:13:43 <Wolf01> hi 19:17:53 *** HackyKid [n=Hackykid@ip5655e868.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 19:17:59 *** HackyKid [n=Hackykid@ip5655e868.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 19:18:57 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 19:19:43 <RichK67> ping brianetta 19:21:27 <MeusH> hi Wolf01 and RichK67 19:21:55 <RichK67> hi 19:23:01 <Wolf01> hi MeusH 19:24:08 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-175-64.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 19:24:31 <Wolf01> somebody knows a way to transform the NFS Most wanted from european version to black edition? 19:24:52 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@cpc1-midd6-0-0-cust442.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 19:25:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> <hylje> are several road styles possible <- the same way as trams are :) 19:25:41 <hylje> no 19:25:45 <hylje> that is, then 19:26:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> PS: you really need to learn about question marks 19:27:08 <Brianetta> pong 19:28:00 *** smeding [n=roysmedi@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has left #openttd [":---O"] 19:29:12 <RichK67> hi, would it be possible to only change the server & client version at start of game, or if the new update fixes significant bugs?? its the one negative i have about using the br. server ... which is otherwise A1 19:29:20 <Sacro> Brianetta: you missed the s :P 19:29:58 <Brianetta> RichK67: It's the nightly 19:30:05 <Brianetta> That's kind of the whole point 19:30:36 <Brianetta> I don't even check what changed 19:30:58 <Brianetta> I have a script which I run. It updates, compiles, and tells me whether I need to start a new game or load the old one. 19:31:00 <RichK67> guess thats a no then ;) oh well 19:31:25 <Sacro> Brianetta: it tells you? why not let it do that itself? 19:32:06 <Brianetta> Sacro: It doesn't stop or start 19:32:17 <Brianetta> and I need to move the saved game to the web site 19:32:24 <Sacro> Brianetta: wput? 19:32:31 <Brianetta> I'm working on total automation, but atm I'm busy coding the new autopilot 19:32:40 <Brianetta> wput? no, cp 19:32:57 <Sacro> ah, a local thing 19:33:32 *** mode/#openttd [+o MiHaMiX] by ChanServ 19:35:23 *** smeding [n=roysmedi@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:35:24 <[Shaman]> heh, EveTV made it to slashdot 19:35:48 <Brianetta> With Rich's suggestion, there's a bot of a chicken/egg about changing the version and restarting the game. 19:36:08 <Brianetta> I declare a game over if it's at 2050 or beyond when I update. 19:36:59 <[Shaman]> Brianetta: you should use daylength patch then :p 19:37:03 <[Shaman]> then it'll take a while for 2050 :p 19:38:08 <Brianetta> [Shaman]: If I used the daylength patch it wouldn't be the nightly, would it? 19:38:30 <CIA-3> miham * r5509 /trunk/lang/ (italian.txt norwegian.txt portuguese.txt slovak.txt): 19:38:30 <CIA-3> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-07-16 21:38:07 19:38:30 <CIA-3> italian - 1 fixed by sidew (1) 19:38:30 <CIA-3> norwegian - 4 changed by oletk (4) 19:38:30 <CIA-3> portuguese - 1 fixed by izhirahider (1) 19:38:31 <CIA-3> slovak - 2 fixed, 46 changed by lengyel (48) 19:42:12 <[Shaman]> dunno the status on the dl patch :/ 19:42:19 <[Shaman]> would be usefull if it (ever) came into trunk 19:42:24 <[Shaman]> because the time (as of) is just way too fast 19:42:40 <Brianetta> It would need all its bugs fixing 19:42:47 <[Shaman]> that's.. true 19:42:54 <[Shaman]> if i understood C i'd help with that. 19:43:05 <Brianetta> Even Sacro will admit it isn't perfect 19:43:42 <Sacro> Brianetta: no he wont... 19:43:56 <Wolf01> no, sacro admits that dl bugs are features 19:43:59 <Brianetta> heh (L: 19:44:13 <Sacro> all quirks 19:44:20 <[Shaman]> Sacro identifies the 'bugs' as 'features' ... 19:44:36 <Sacro> [Shaman]: there are NO BUGS 19:44:45 <Sacro> :P 19:44:52 <[Shaman]> see :P 19:45:28 <Sacro> there be nothing to see here... 19:46:03 <Wolf01> sacro is transparent 19:46:44 *** tokai|odw [n=tokai@p54B836E1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:48:19 <Wolf01> but he is being right... there are no bugs, only the time stretching allow you to travel more and use less fuel XD 19:49:37 <Wolf01> and allow also industries to produce more in less time (they produce the same in the same time, but the day take more time to pass, and the production is calculated differently) 19:55:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> ah... RichK67 is back ;) ... would you mind to apply www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/german.miniin.diff ? 19:57:40 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 20:00:58 <RichK67> no :) im on a break... overworked, and with a bad cough... if i committed stuff, it would be crap right now (no brain, see ;) ) 20:03:55 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-175-64.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:04:30 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-175-64.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:06:29 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-53-180.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit ["Au reviour!"] 20:07:54 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Probably doing something else"] 20:10:35 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-175-64.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:11:37 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-175-64.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:15:03 <Eddi|zuHause> it is just language changes, you cannot actually do anything wrong ;) 20:15:31 <RichK67> give me a break 20:16:11 <Eddi|zuHause> of course, you can break all you want ;) 20:16:30 <[Shaman]> you can break Eddi ! :P 20:18:27 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 20:23:33 *** aequitas [n=aequitas@f49248.upc-f.chello.nl] has quit [] 20:23:52 *** Scarzzurs [n=Scarzzur@0x57312d35.ronxx5.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #OpenTTD 20:25:25 *** Matt-W [i=maw@wonky.org.uk] has joined #openttd 20:25:54 *** Matt-W [i=maw@growl/Matt-W] has quit [Client Quit] 20:29:21 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3E0C2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:29:31 *** Scarzzurs [n=Scarzzur@0x57312d35.ronxx5.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has left #OpenTTD [] 20:31:40 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 20:32:37 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 20:36:53 <Tron> PING svn.openttd.org (81.171.98.110): 56 data bytes 20:36:55 <Tron> 76 packets transmitted, 7 packets received, 90% packet loss 20:37:15 <[Shaman]> nice 20:37:19 <MiHaMiX> Tron: you're filtered? :) 20:37:31 <Tron> svn.openttd.org is pretty much dead 20:37:47 <Tron> tt-forums.net, too 20:37:51 <peter1138> well, it's the isp 20:38:00 <Wolf01> i get the same result 20:38:04 <Wolf01> and i'm not filtered 20:38:17 <Tron> peter1138: which isp? 20:38:26 <peter1138> hosting the server 20:38:58 <peter1138> (+s, i guess) 20:39:01 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 20:39:18 <Tron> a few minutes ago i could do a svn up 20:39:36 <Tron> shortly after everything died 20:39:37 *** dp [n=dp@p54B2CE5A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:39:46 <[Shaman]> we blame you. 20:39:52 <MiHaMiX> :DDDDDDDDD 20:41:58 <MiHaMiX> Official announce follows: In the next two week there could be network and power outages which could make the following services temporary unavailable: translator2, nightly, wiki, docs and bugs. 20:42:18 <[Shaman]> svn wasn't included :p 20:42:30 <glx> [Shaman]: not the same server :) 20:42:31 <MiHaMiX> [Shaman]: yes, since I don't host the svn 20:42:38 <Tron> network and power outages? 20:42:45 <MiHaMiX> [Shaman]: i'm just hosting the above services 20:42:49 <[Shaman]> ah 20:42:51 * [Shaman] gets point 20:42:53 * [Shaman] dumbass 20:43:01 <MiHaMiX> Tron: yes, there is maintenance-time in our building 20:43:21 <Tron> maintenance is supposed to make things better, not worse o_O 20:43:53 <hylje> Tron: tell that to WoW server maintainers 20:43:58 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 20:44:01 <MiHaMiX> Tron: general yearly maintenance.. checking the buildings infrastructure whether it shut off properly in case a fire or something like that 20:45:17 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181071058.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 20:47:10 <Tron> 22:29 CEST svn up worked 20:47:14 <Tron> 22:32 CEST svn was dead 20:47:21 *** aequitas [n=aequitas@f49248.upc-f.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 20:48:26 <glx> works now 20:49:09 <Tron> hm, seems so, telnet gives sensible results 20:49:48 <Tron> and it's dead again 20:50:57 <Tron> the server shows no welcome line via telnet 20:51:03 <glx> and the maintainer is not here :( 20:51:31 <XeryusTC> it's pretty dead 20:52:20 <peter1138> it is being worked on 20:52:23 <MiHaMiX> maintainer is already notified 20:53:03 <Tron> got the welcome line again, but packet loss is horrible 20:54:32 *** InpakLite [n=Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:55:07 *** dp-- [n=dp@p54B2CF45.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:55:08 *** dp is now known as dp-- 20:59:01 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 21:00:46 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 21:06:42 *** Matt-W [i=maw@wonky.org.uk] has joined #openttd 21:10:19 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-175-64.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:11:21 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc691918215.direcpc.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:11:57 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-175-64.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:13:31 *** Matt-W [i=maw@growl/Matt-W] has left #openttd [] 21:13:47 <XeryusTC> Tron: it seems like the server has been resurected 21:16:31 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:19:11 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03EB1.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:23:19 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:23:51 *** aequitas [n=aequitas@f49248.upc-f.chello.nl] has quit [] 21:24:31 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [n=johekr@p54B77507.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:28:41 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387D2E3.versanet.de] has quit ["Verlassend"] 21:32:32 *** aequitas [n=aequitas@f49248.upc-f.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 21:33:30 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498F2F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Ciao"] 21:39:36 *** Damme [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:39:39 *** Damme__ [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 21:42:39 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:42:42 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 21:44:34 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B7513B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:52:06 *** StarLite [n=Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:57:07 *** Ammler [n=marcel@211.151.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 21:59:27 *** Ammler [n=marcel@211.151.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit ["Leaving."] 22:00:16 *** ChrisM87 [n=ChrisM@p54AC636B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:03:17 *** Ammler [n=marcel@211.151.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 22:04:35 *** Damme__ [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:04:41 *** Damme [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 22:07:46 * Sacro wants a new laptop, or a Mac 22:07:59 *** Angst [n=Angst@p54944A45.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:08:28 <aequitas> Sacro wants a macbook? ;) 22:08:42 <Sacro> aequitas: id love a macbook pro 22:09:14 <aequitas> i am gonna get me a white macbook when i'm done working at the apple centre this holiday :D 22:09:48 <[Shaman]> I want a laptop with a good enough graphics card to run Eve. 22:10:06 <Sacro> i want one that can run X³ 22:10:22 <[Shaman]> X3? uar 22:10:24 <[Shaman]> *yar 22:10:26 <[Shaman]> sounds good 22:10:31 <[Shaman]> if they sold it around here that is :/ 22:10:45 <Sacro> hehe, contact Brianetta :) he's one of their testers 22:10:57 <[Shaman]> O_O 22:10:58 <Brianetta> Testers? 22:11:01 <Brianetta> DEVELOPERS 22:11:08 <Sacro> officially pronounced "Mac OS Ten" <- isnt it OS Ecks 22:11:10 <[Shaman]> ! O_O 22:11:11 <Sacro> Brianetta: hehe :P 22:11:26 <[Shaman]> Brianetta: tell the lot to start selling that game at local shops as well so i can get it :/ 22:11:27 <Brianetta> I pronounce is OSX 22:11:51 <hylje> macbooks are l33t 22:11:53 <Brianetta> Just pop to Deutschland 22:12:03 <Brianetta> They have it there, since Egosoft is German 22:12:09 <hylje> egosoft :o 22:12:16 <[Shaman]> my dad's in germany atm o_O 22:12:29 <[Shaman]> just dropped him off at the trainstation like.. 5 hours ago >_< 22:14:56 <Sacro> sooo, what laptop brand... 22:15:14 <hylje> ibm was in my good books 22:15:15 <[Shaman]> NOT dell :p 22:15:29 <hylje> dunno about lenovo, havent heard any improvement though 22:15:44 <hylje> hp laptops are toys imho 22:15:47 <Sacro> hylje: i want one with a touchpad 22:15:55 <Sacro> [Shaman]: whats wrong wiht dell? 22:16:00 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has quit ["leaving"] 22:16:02 <[Shaman]> it's DELL ! :o 22:16:02 <hylje> dell is inherently low quality 22:16:17 <hylje> they get cheap parts with more defects 22:16:18 <[Shaman]> it's crap quality 22:16:35 <[Shaman]> ever seen the inside of a standard dell desktop pc? 22:16:39 <hylje> yes 22:16:45 <[Shaman]> the HORROR 22:16:45 <hylje> proprietary cases 22:16:51 <[Shaman]> everything FORCED on top of eachother 22:16:53 <Sacro> i was thinking about something beginning wiht A... cant remember who 22:16:59 <hylje> AAPL 22:17:09 <[Shaman]> with a special fan-pipe to provide the sufficient cooling for the entire thing 22:17:22 <[Shaman]> 'but it runs very quiet' 22:17:33 <hylje> "i want to fucking upgrade this shit" 22:17:44 <hylje> -- "well, just buy another." 22:17:58 <[Shaman]> they use LAPTOP parts in desktop pcs as well 22:18:05 <Sacro> Acer, that was it 22:18:11 <[Shaman]> Acer's pretty nice 22:18:15 <hylje> so does apple, but i hear apple does it somewhat well 22:18:16 <Sacro> [Shaman]: my median/cybercom laptop has a desktop P4 in it :S 22:18:17 <[Shaman]> Hp is as well. 22:18:37 <[Shaman]> Sacro: I've seen dell desktop pcs with a laptop processor in it 22:18:38 <Sacro> dont want hp really 22:18:44 <hylje> do not want 22:18:53 <Sacro> i want a solid make, thats going to run Linux as well as XP sweetly 22:19:02 *** eeemess [n=e@203-158-35-252.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 22:19:08 <hylje> i hear IBM/lenovo run linux fairly well 22:19:10 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [] 22:19:21 <Sacro> hmmm, Acer say they are the 3rd biggerst 22:19:21 <hylje> since the are supported 22:19:28 <SpComb> they will even ship some commercial linux version as an option 22:19:36 <[Shaman]> the HP's without the stupid driver thingies do work quite nice with linux 22:19:36 <SpComb> preinstalled on the laptop 22:19:43 <hylje> SpComb: true 22:19:45 <[Shaman]> the others however are just as crap as Dell. 22:19:48 <SpComb> Acer == Eww! Plastic! 22:20:02 <hylje> metal == Eww! my lap! 22:20:25 <[Shaman]> get a laptop with AMD64. 22:20:32 <[Shaman]> Cool'n'Quiet ftw 22:20:35 <SpComb> get a laptop with a desktop FX! 22:20:39 <Sacro> i was looking at turino 22:20:46 <SpComb> battery lifetime: 5 seconds 22:20:52 <[Shaman]> heh 22:20:52 <Sacro> or maybe centrino core duo 22:21:01 <Sacro> SpComb: my current one lasts until the capacitors drain 22:21:05 <[Shaman]> the amd64's with QnQ are pretty good heat-wise 22:21:16 <SpComb> Sacro: <1 second? 22:21:20 <[Shaman]> whereas the Hp's usually tend to get.. hot 22:21:32 <Sacro> SpComb: approximatly yes, and it runs between 60-70 degs 22:21:39 <SpComb> sounds fun 22:21:50 <SpComb> I guess my laptop isn't entirely hopeless :) 22:21:53 <hylje> hah 22:22:18 <Sacro> SpComb: keyboard has serveral keys bust, touchpad gone, battery not noticed... its basically a base unit with LCD 22:22:26 <SpComb> hmmk 22:22:38 <SpComb> "I'll take if off you if you pay me" 22:22:39 <ln-> http://fastar.detonate.net/ftp/images/matrixse/18/6.jpg 22:23:20 <hylje> :> 22:23:33 <hylje> its fun to do cheap shots at obfuscated perl 22:23:36 * SpComb recalls hearing that before 22:23:58 <SpComb> perl is beautiful... if viewed with crossed eyes 22:24:05 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@dsl51B7A0BA.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 22:24:32 <Sacro> i wouldnt mind an Acer/Ferrari one 22:24:45 <SpComb> I wouldn't mind a thinkpad 22:24:49 <SpComb> I would mind anything else 22:24:52 <Sacro> :O 1033 EX VAT :O 22:24:52 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-201-101.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["-"] 22:24:53 <hylje> i have two thinkpads actually 22:25:04 <SpComb> I want to get some nice used T or perhaps X 22:25:10 <hylje> the other is an olde 800MHz with a dead battery 22:25:16 <hylje> running around 450 days now 22:25:21 <SpComb> heh 22:25:26 <SpComb> laptops can get quite good uptimes 22:25:41 <hylje> another is a p51 with a 2.1MHz topping Pentium M 22:25:50 <hylje> and a decent videocard 22:25:54 <Sacro> 2.1MHz? 22:26:00 <hylje> GHz* 22:26:02 <Sacro> my Amiga can reach 7 :P 22:26:15 *** KUDr [i=KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 22:26:41 <Sacro> SpComb: who ships linux laptops? 22:26:46 <hylje> lenovo 22:27:24 <Sacro> hmm, they own IBM 22:27:56 <hylje> they bought IBM pc (laptop) division 22:27:59 <hylje> ie. thinkpads 22:28:01 <Sacro> i dont like the IBM looks :( 22:28:04 <SpComb> :o 22:28:12 * SpComb bans Sacro from life 22:28:13 <hylje> whats there not to like in solid matte black 22:28:29 * SpComb <3 ThinkPad 22:28:35 <Sacro> it looks very...crappy 22:28:50 <hylje> how so 22:29:07 <SpComb> it's the direct opposite of crappy 22:29:11 <Sacro> i dont want centrino either :( i'd much rather have turion 22:29:19 <SpComb> I think the case is metallic 22:29:31 <hylje> it isnt 22:29:48 <hylje> the newer thinkpad of mine had some problems with case bending 22:29:55 <hylje> and disconnecting the display 22:29:56 <SpComb> well, thin metal 22:31:38 <Sacro> hmm, the 3000N's are ok 22:31:54 <SpComb> what are those? 22:32:09 <SpComb> dpm 22:32:19 <Sacro> i dont want genuine XP though :( 22:32:21 <SpComb> don't tell me those are those lenovo's laptops? 22:32:28 <Sacro> i already have that, and i dont use it 22:32:37 <SpComb> you use fake windows? 22:32:40 <Sacro> SpComb: yeah 22:32:43 <SpComb> ick 22:32:49 <hylje> fake_windows 22:32:51 <Sacro> SpComb: i used to, but i use Linux full time now 22:33:12 <SpComb> so you leave the top-quality, made-for-industrial-use laptops for the newly-designed okay-ish-quiality laptops meant for home use? 22:33:24 <Sacro> yes 22:33:27 *** ems [n=e@203-214-153-235.perm.iinet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:33:29 <SpComb> you are very silly 22:33:39 <Oak> I think IBMs are only considerable pc-laptops 22:33:45 <Oak> otherwise I prefer macs 22:33:56 <SpComb> bleh, who wants a mac 22:33:59 <Sacro> i can only really afford the R series 22:34:17 <hylje> SpComb: i know of people who buy macs for the hardware. 22:34:52 <SpComb> supposedly mac hardware actually sucks 22:34:54 <SpComb> or something 22:35:15 <SpComb> I know someone that managed to find some store that sold X40s for about 1200 euros apiece 22:35:19 <SpComb> was some mistake or something 22:35:32 <SpComb> they pulled them and put them back at 2300 or something 22:35:36 <Sacro> hmm, HP/Compaq have laptops with FreeDOS 22:37:58 <Bjarni> <SpComb> supposedly mac hardware actually sucks <-- and you base this on what? 22:38:10 <SpComb> some article I read somewhere about the subject 22:38:24 <hylje> screenshots or didnt happen 22:38:54 <SpComb> if I want good hardware I build my computer myself (at least with desktops, that is) 22:38:55 <Bjarni> ohh, it was that "some article" 22:39:01 <SpComb> heh 22:39:10 <Bjarni> I heard about it 22:39:18 <SpComb> well, I have no clue where it was, but it was some thingie about why not to buy a mac 22:39:18 <hylje> apple workstations are quite neat 22:39:30 <Sacro> i'd build a desktop, but i need a laptop 22:39:40 <SpComb> why not build a desktop instead? :P 22:39:46 <SpComb> you could carry it around 22:39:48 <hylje> because its not a laptop 22:40:21 <Sacro> well currently i need laptop, + keyboard, + mouse 22:40:30 <Bjarni> combine it with a portable generator and you got high CPU power and very long "battery" life time 22:40:36 <Sacro> a mini-itx would be a lot easier, with a tft 22:40:45 <hylje> heh 22:40:53 <SpComb> a desktop, a monitor, the right ups or a generator, some pieces of wood and some duct tape 22:40:56 <hylje> that screams of mac mini 22:41:00 <SpComb> and you have your portable computer 22:42:03 <Sacro> hmm, this is true 22:42:06 *** smeding [n=roysmedi@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit ["<3"] 22:42:20 <SpComb> seen that picture? :P 22:42:33 <Bjarni> http://www.markusleonhardt.de/oelbilder.html <-- this is what I would do if I had to build my own computer 22:42:58 <Bjarni> except I would add some sort of radiator to it to allow it to actually cool ;) 22:43:08 *** MeusH is now known as MeusH[away] 22:43:26 <Sacro> Bjarni: is that in oil? 22:43:31 <Bjarni> yeah 22:43:42 <Bjarni> oil is a really nice material 22:43:44 <Sacro> hmm, i can see me cooking chips whilst on IRC 22:43:54 <[Shaman]> lol 22:44:05 <[Shaman]> you let ottd run on full speed to get the cpu boiling the oil 22:44:06 <Bjarni> it cools better than water and it works as an electric isolator :D 22:44:10 <[Shaman]> so you can bake chips :p 22:44:17 <Sacro> deep fried mars bar 22:44:24 <hylje> :o 22:44:38 <Sacro> the only turion machines on dabs are hp 22:44:45 <Bjarni> powerplants actually uses oil to cool the generators 22:45:26 <SpComb> heh, I'll stick to conventional computers :P 22:45:36 * SpComb pats his simple black antec 22:46:01 <Bjarni> I hate noisy computers 22:46:13 <Sacro> Bjarni: surely the oil would boil? 22:46:13 <Bjarni> it would be cool to make a completely silent computer 22:46:16 <Bjarni> no fans at all 22:46:29 <Sacro> liquid nitrogen? 22:46:43 <Bjarni> Sacro: no, not if it is designed in the right way. A fishtank got a too small surface though (I think) 22:47:02 <Qball> Sacro: i made icecreams with that a while back. 22:47:19 <Qball> 150Liter :D 22:47:25 <Sacro> Qball: :O you speak 22:47:28 <SpComb> watercooling 22:47:32 <Sacro> Bjarni: yeah, maybe 22:47:36 <SpComb> doesn't make too much noise, I think 22:47:44 <Sacro> SpComb: and you can have fish in it 22:47:49 <SpComb> 'jee' 22:47:50 <hylje> fish sticks 22:48:01 <SpComb> fish swimming around in your cpu fan? 22:48:07 <hylje> yes 22:48:10 <SpComb> awesome 22:48:12 <Sacro> hehe, yeah 22:48:19 <SpComb> will you get fish bits stuck in your heatsink fins? 22:48:23 <Bjarni> fish swimming in hot oil? 22:48:25 <Sacro> haddock 22:48:43 <Sacro> Bjarni: 2 pc's, 1 water for growing them in, 1 oil for cooking 22:48:45 <SpComb> you can pick them off the top, ready-to-eat? 22:49:02 <SpComb> but myes, watercooling is quite quiet 22:49:07 <Sacro> SpComb: quite likely 22:49:15 <SpComb> and less of a hassle than the oil tank 22:49:17 <hylje> well, if the fish hits the fan 22:49:21 <Bjarni> Sacro: DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT MAKING A WATER COOLED COMPUTER LIKE THIS!!!! 22:49:21 <hylje> you got fish sticks 22:49:22 <SpComb> my computer is relatively quiet 22:49:37 <Bjarni> the PSU is in the oil as well. It contains high voltage parts 22:49:40 <SpComb> hylje: fish particles 22:49:52 <Sacro> Bjarni: and why not? 22:49:57 <SpComb> *zap* 22:50:06 <Bjarni> water conducts electricity 22:50:09 <Sacro> nooooooooooo, it'd kill the fishes 22:50:15 <SpComb> yes :( 22:50:16 <Sacro> what if i ground the tank? 22:50:18 <SpComb> (and you as well) 22:50:26 <Sacro> or...place it on a rubber mat to isolate it 22:50:32 <Bjarni> ok, Sacro really is a college dropout. He failed the electric wire+water test o_O 22:50:35 <hylje> :D 22:50:35 <Qball> Bjarni: water doesn't conduct electricity... only poluted water does 22:50:48 * SpComb spills some salt into Sacro's computer tank 22:50:54 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@cpc1-midd6-0-0-cust442.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.0 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 22:51:05 <Bjarni> Qball: and you presume that we will use pure water for this? 22:51:06 <Sacro> what if i use beer? 22:51:13 <Bjarni> too expensive... the oil is cheaper 22:51:14 <SpComb> \o/ 22:51:18 <Sacro> Bjarni: i have quite a good supply of distilled water 22:51:32 <SpComb> what if we use cola? 22:51:38 <Bjarni> also the fish will pollute the water enough to make it conduct electricity 22:51:39 <SpComb> that would be a sticky mess 22:51:50 <hylje> Bjarni: good reason for the fish to not pollute it 22:51:58 <Sacro> what about clockwork fish? 22:52:00 <SpComb> motivation! 22:52:07 * Sacro thinks of red dwarf 22:52:17 <Bjarni> Sacro: I'm not sure it's good enough. It would have to be really clean, not just normal distilled 22:52:18 <SpComb> "I need to go screw up my fish" 22:52:28 <Sacro> Bjarni: ill clean it every day, i promise 22:52:38 <Qball> Bjarni: well you never know 22:52:48 <Bjarni> Sacro: be careful where you put your fingers when you clean it 22:52:52 <SpComb> lets use radioactive goo 22:53:10 <Bjarni> SpComb: too heavy 22:53:11 <Sacro> Bjarni: hmm, thats true 22:53:14 <SpComb> everyone loves radioactive goo 22:53:19 <Sacro> oooh, heavy water 22:53:53 <SpComb> let's use human blood :> 22:53:55 <Bjarni> also why use water at all? Oil can transport more heat away from the CPU 22:54:02 <SpComb> although that conducts 22:55:08 <hylje> glow-in-the-dark radioactive goo 22:55:09 <hylje> sign me up 22:55:12 <Sacro> because fish cant swim in oil 22:55:32 <Sacro> i was hoping to keep tropical fish in my pc case 22:55:33 <SpComb> UV-activated phosphorous goo? 22:55:37 <Sacro> or maybe a lobster 22:55:43 <SpComb> Sacro: how do you know? 22:56:10 <Sacro> SpComb: i dont... 22:56:18 <SpComb> you claim you do 22:56:59 <Sacro> i claim a lot of things... im like a microsoft product design 22:57:15 * SpComb burns Sacro down and goes to sleep 22:57:35 <Bjarni> I just noticed something. This computer got an issue in long term functionality. It's a relatively open system so it will gain water eventually (helped somewhat by shifting temperatures) and it will not mix with the oil, but stay as a layer under the oil..... the prints are directly on the bottom, so it risk getting fried with a very little % of water in the oil 22:57:37 * Sacro is fine in his water filled pc 22:57:44 <Bjarni> it should be raised at least a cm 22:58:05 <Bjarni> and a plan on how to remove the few mm of water in the bottom 22:59:28 <Sacro> Bjarni: a straw 22:59:40 *** aequitas [n=aequitas@f49248.upc-f.chello.nl] has left #openttd [] 23:00:40 *** Ammler [n=marcel@211.151.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:01:50 <Bjarni> Sacro: yeah it's that simple, but a straw is a crude device, that can't remove all the water, so you will still need a safety margin 23:02:59 <Sacro> Bjarni: yeah... 23:03:12 <Sacro> hmm, HP are the only people i can find that do Turion X2 laptops 23:04:17 <Sacro> what are the GOOD laptop graphics chips to look out for? 23:05:53 <Bjarni> the ones, that do NOT have shared memory 23:06:03 <Bjarni> at least it's a good place to start ;) 23:07:25 <Sacro> hmm, im back looking at the Acer Ferrari 23:07:30 <Sacro> shame i hate the F1 team 23:08:29 <Sacro> ATI Radeon Xpress 200, that any good? 23:10:32 <Sacro> hmm, the info says its a radion x700 23:11:08 <Sacro> oh, no, i was looking at the chipset 23:11:26 <Sacro> im so alone :( 23:14:14 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp85-140-142-204.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit ["Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org"] 23:14:17 <Sacro> nobody loves me :( 23:15:25 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 23:16:38 <MeusH[away]> cya 23:16:41 <MeusH[away]> keep up Sacro 23:16:45 <MeusH[away]> have luck 23:16:53 <Sacro> MeusH[away]: with what? 23:17:13 <MeusH[away]> love 23:17:18 *** tokai|odw [n=tokai@p54B836E1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 23:17:30 *** MeusH[away] [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:22:30 <Sacro> £1000 for the laptop i want :( 23:22:38 <hylje> quality = cost 23:25:06 <Sacro> hylje: yes... but still i doubt ill get it for my birthday :( 23:32:34 *** Damme__ [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 23:33:58 * Sacro listen Lordi - The Arockalypse - The Deadite Girls Gone Wild 23:35:07 <hylje> zomg 23:35:31 *** Bjarni is now known as _nobody_ 23:35:38 <_nobody_> <Sacro> nobody loves me :( <-- no I don't 23:35:42 *** _nobody_ is now known as Bjarni 23:36:14 <Sacro> nobody doesnt love me? 23:39:11 *** Zr40_ [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:42:14 <Wolf01> 'night all 23:42:17 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host86-238.pool870.interbusiness.it] has quit ["e ricordate, per la legge di avogadro non esiste cazzo quadro"] 23:42:55 *** Rens2Sea [n=Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has quit [] 23:49:07 <Sacro> hmm,this laptop apparently has 11 PCMCIA slots... 23:50:22 *** Damme [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:52:34 <Sacro> heh, AMD still mentioning 3DNow