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00:00:01 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:02:11 <Sacro> wtf is bob the builder doing on 00:07:49 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 00:09:33 *** Angst [n=Angst@p54947EFB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:09:46 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACCEE964.ipt.aol.com] has quit [] 00:12:50 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-213-249-186-233.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:17:28 *** Magus_X_AWAY [i=t7ds@201-35-92-47.paebv700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #openttd 00:17:53 <Magus_X_AWAY> hey, i got a problem 00:17:58 <Magus_X_AWAY> when i updated 00:18:16 <Magus_X_AWAY> my newgrfs dont works anymore, i placed them back to the openttd.cfg 00:18:25 <Magus_X_AWAY> they get listed on newgrf list 00:18:31 <Magus_X_AWAY> but they dont works in game 00:18:38 <Magus_X_AWAY> they simply dont get listed 00:18:49 <Magus_X_AWAY> on stations per exemple 00:18:52 <glx> what was the version you used before? 00:19:13 <glx> and what version are you using now? 00:19:19 <Magus_X_AWAY> Nightly 5202 00:19:23 <Magus_X_AWAY> and now 0.4.8RC2 00:19:45 <glx> ok so it's normal 00:20:00 <Magus_X_AWAY> so what should i do? 00:20:04 <glx> newstations will be in 0.5.0 00:20:08 <Magus_X_AWAY> ah 00:20:09 <Magus_X_AWAY> ok 00:20:11 <Magus_X_AWAY> thanks 00:20:24 <Magus_X_AWAY> :) 00:28:45 *** PAStheLoD [n=pas@catv-56656d26.catv.broadband.hu] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 00:38:57 *** Nickman [n=nickman@dD5778837.access.telenet.be] has joined #Openttd 00:44:46 *** dp [n=dp@p54B2CBEF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:44:47 *** ChrisM87 [n=ChrisM@p54AC501D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:50:49 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 00:56:09 *** Nickman87 [n=nickman@dD5778837.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:57:28 *** dp-- [n=dp@p54B2F6B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:57:29 *** dp is now known as dp-- 00:59:48 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 01:01:01 *** Nickman [n=nickman@dD5778837.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:09:18 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:14:24 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 01:22:24 <luckzeh> okay. 01:22:29 <luckzeh> so there's this train crossing. 01:22:29 <Matex> okay :) 01:22:57 <luckzeh> a competition diesel train, no wagons, is standing right on it. he says he can't move it. 01:23:09 <luckzeh> four to five of my trucks are standing on top of each other on either side, also refusing to move. 01:28:57 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 01:42:00 *** Dred_furst` [i=nn@user-544081bf.wfd74a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.0 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 01:59:13 *** Vornicus [n=vorn@71-213-115-201.slkc.qwest.net] has quit [] 02:06:16 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Bye!"] 02:14:45 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["leaving"] 02:16:58 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 02:26:44 <Matex> luckzeh, so he has basically blocked your route to stuff up profits for you? 02:26:58 <luckzeh> no. 02:27:09 <luckzeh> his train and my trucks together bugged up and all refused to move. 02:27:15 <luckzeh> 9 trucks and one train, that means, 02:27:35 <luckzeh> 4/5 trucks on top of each other on each side of the crossing 03:10:42 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B37EAD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 03:31:37 *** guru3 [n=guru3@2002:51e7:e65f:1:0:0:0:1] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:32:12 *** guru3 [n=guru3@2002:51e7:e65f:1:0:0:0:1] has joined #openttd 03:46:02 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B37EAD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 03:56:29 *** BJH_ [n=chatzill@e176097125.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]"] 04:08:32 *** ZsoL [i=zsol@157.181.151.138] has quit [Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)] 04:11:10 *** ZsoL [i=zsol@login09.caesar.elte.hu] has joined #openttd 04:29:09 *** Zahl22 [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-208-241.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 04:46:29 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-197-123.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:08:34 *** Zahl22 [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-208-241.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["YOU! It was you wasn't it!?"] 05:12:03 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 05:29:28 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:37:59 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 05:43:29 *** Hendikins [n=wolfox@pdpc/supporter/student/Hendikins] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 05:48:55 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 05:51:30 *** Zaviori [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 06:05:08 <CIA-5> tron * r5689 /trunk/newgrf_station.c: Default a station tile to be electrifiable if there is no other information available. I suppose this was a copy&paste error 06:08:25 <CIA-5> tron * r5690 /trunk/newgrf_station.c: Factor common code to reduce code duplication 06:08:49 *** Zavior [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:08:50 *** Zavior [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 06:16:16 *** Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #openttd 06:18:22 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 06:43:03 *** Zaviori [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:43:17 *** Zavior [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:43:18 *** Zaviori [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 06:43:21 *** Zavior [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 06:47:29 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:51:51 *** DarkSSH [n=tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 06:51:54 *** mode/#openttd [+o DarkSSH] by ChanServ 06:52:27 *** DarkSSH is now known as Darkvater 06:52:57 <Darkvater> morning 06:55:38 <peter1138> hello 06:59:18 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has joined #openttd 06:59:56 <MiHaMiX> morning 07:00:24 <roboman> morning 07:06:02 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387D80C.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:09:20 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 07:20:15 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 07:21:54 *** TinoM| [n=Tino@i5387D80C.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:28:23 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387D80C.versanet.de] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 07:28:29 *** TinoM| is now known as TinoM 07:29:44 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:48:20 *** publunch [n=publunch@87.113.78.133.bbplus.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 07:50:03 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181079152.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 07:53:11 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@dsl51B7A187.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 08:03:16 *** Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 08:06:01 *** PAStheLoD [n=pas@catv-56656d26.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 08:10:36 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #OpenTTD 08:15:01 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-65.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 08:22:03 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 08:27:24 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #OpenTTD 08:41:50 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:43:40 *** RichK67_wrk [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has joined #openttd 08:56:55 * roboman dinner 08:59:03 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 09:00:07 *** Mucht|work [n=Mucht@62.99.225.122] has joined #openttd 09:07:34 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:07:47 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:09:01 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B84BD3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:09:11 <CIA-5> rubidium * r5691 /branches/TGP/heightmap.c: [TGP] -Codechange: generalize RGBToGrayscale as it is likely that it will be used by other heightmap implementations 09:10:47 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [n=johekr@p54B753F6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:11:03 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [n=johekr@p54B753F6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:21:54 *** tokai|Zzz [n=tokai@p54B80C87.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:27:22 *** tokai|3 [n=tokai@p54B84EC5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:33:10 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 09:38:42 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B84BD3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:40:37 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 09:40:40 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 09:41:26 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 09:41:26 <Bjarni> !logs 10:02:40 *** ChrisM87 [n=ChrisM@p54AC613C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:09:24 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@dsl51B7A187.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:12:22 *** joed [n=James@124.180.203.160] has joined #openttd 10:13:32 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 10:14:23 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 10:14:41 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 10:18:50 <eQualizer> Is there any reasons why I shouldn't upgrade to ...RC2 from 0.4.7? 10:32:01 *** Tron_ [n=tron@p54A3DB95.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:32:02 *** roboman [n=Leo@c220-239-174-188.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:32:13 <luckzeh> eQualizer: you could upgrade to the MiniIN :p 10:35:36 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [n=johekr@p54B75DD7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:38:19 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B80F22.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:48:43 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3F151.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:50:10 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [n=johekr@p54B75DD7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 10:50:46 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 10:51:41 *** tokai|3 [n=tokai@p54B84EC5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:52:00 <Darkvater> eQualizer: it is not final 10:52:15 <luckzeh> and that 10:52:23 <hylje> omg lol 10:52:25 <hylje> hi dv 10:52:47 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B77BB8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:53:06 <Darkvater> hi 10:53:32 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [n=johekr@p54B753F6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:07:02 <peter1138> hi 11:08:46 *** joed [n=James@124.180.203.160] has quit ["Client exiting"] 11:09:05 <Darkvater> hiya peter1138 11:16:00 <luckzeh> [02:17:49] [Magus_X_AWAY] when i updated <- why call you downdating updating? 11:20:04 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:26:54 <Bjarni> hi people 11:29:50 <Darkvater> 'ello 11:30:55 <Bjarni> Darkvater: "autoscroll (to left/right) when the mouse is near the edge of the screen" <-- you can enable up/down as well, but people keep scrolling when they want to press the buttons, so it's off by default 11:31:00 <Bjarni> it's a patch setting 11:31:08 <Darkvater> ? 11:31:29 <Bjarni> your list in about 11:32:06 <Bjarni> you said you wanted feedback on it 11:32:22 <Darkvater> ah yes 11:32:25 <Darkvater> but on the forums :) 11:33:00 <Bjarni> "window mode with double zoom (CTRL+D to toggle) (MS Windows only)" <-- it sounds like only windows supports windowed mode. Even though I understand you, it would be nice to write it in a way so other people don't misunderstand this ;) 11:33:09 <Darkvater> Bjarni: forums 11:33:34 <Bjarni> ... 11:33:41 <Bjarni> you want me to tell you this twice? 11:33:47 <Eddi|zuHause> why is Ctrl+D windows only anyway? 11:33:51 <peter1138> no, just once, in the forums 11:34:12 <peter1138> because it's not implemented in the SDL driver 11:34:14 <Darkvater> do what peter1138 says ;) 11:34:19 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: because the guy, who coded it used windows and added it in the windows native driver only 11:34:41 <peter1138> hq2x! 11:34:45 <Bjarni> nobody bothered to apply this to any of the other drivers 11:35:09 <Eddi|zuHause> which is sad, because i liked that feature ;) 11:35:30 <Bjarni> then "port" it 11:35:46 <Bjarni> and while you are at it, fix it in the cocoa drivers as well ;) 11:35:46 <Eddi|zuHause> well... not now... ;) 11:36:10 <Bjarni> I expect it to work at 17:00 11:36:24 <Bjarni> since I know that you can be efficient 11:36:56 <Eddi|zuHause> lol ;) 11:37:46 <Eddi|zuHause> actually, i need to beat up the BAFöG people (student support) 11:38:01 <Eddi|zuHause> because they want money back 11:38:31 <Eddi|zuHause> so i'm away now 11:39:17 * Kjetil thinks ctrl-D is a bad shortcut.. As it mostly used as EOF 11:43:42 <luckzeh> having multiple airports per city isn't possible in OTTD, is it? 11:43:58 <Bjarni> I got an idea: let's move this feature to some other hotkey, and then make control+D make one of your trains blow up 11:44:23 <RichK67_wrk> luckzeh: you can have two 11:44:45 <RichK67_wrk> rephrase that - a city can have two... 11:45:21 <luckzeh> oh, and Bjarni, could you tell me where to look for the guy who wrote the patch to set station options like the max days a vehicle waits till it's loaded? it's in miniin 11:45:29 <luckzeh> and it breaks MP a bit, if actually used 11:47:02 <Bjarni> err 11:47:08 <Bjarni> how should I know? :) 11:47:14 <peter1138> try the miniin threads in the forum 11:47:14 <luckzeh> [01:06:07] [luckzeh] the option to "wait max days" in stations makes all my MP client dc with desync errors :p 11:47:18 <Bjarni> ask RichK67_wrk since he made the MiniIN ;) 11:47:28 *** Zaviori [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 11:47:33 *** Zavior [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has left #openttd [] 11:47:33 <luckzeh> well, then he may feel asked :) 11:47:42 *** Zaviori [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 11:49:03 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@cpc1-hem12-0-0-cust93.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has quit ["/quit"] 11:49:08 <Darkvater> why the hell does windows use CreateFile(.... OPEN_EXISTING) to check if a file exists instead of using fopen with "r" ? 11:50:14 <hylje> because windows is one large WTF 11:50:38 <RichK67_wrk> im checking - cant find it with a quick look 11:50:55 <Bjarni> yeah. hylje got a point 11:51:09 <Darkvater> hylje: no I mean why does openttd use that 11:54:02 <peter1138> because it's in windows code and therefore doesn't get tronised 11:54:20 <Darkvater> hehe 11:58:18 *** smeding [n=roysmedi@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 11:58:43 <RichK67_wrk> luckzeh: the options are added by gigajum's Additional Orders patch 11:59:13 <luckzeh> well, do you feel like bothering him about how that causes MP desyncs? 12:01:41 <RichK67_wrk> why dont you... put a (nice) post in the MiniIN problems thread (sticky in the Problems forum), with a clear explanation, and preferably a savegame that you know desyncs. 12:02:27 <RichK67_wrk> note it specifically to gigajum - he is usually very good at bughunting and posting fixes 12:06:49 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-196-32.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:13:03 *** roboman [n=Leo@c220-239-174-188.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:18:59 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 12:20:34 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:21:18 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACCEE964.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 12:23:02 *** TinoM| [n=Tino@i5387D80C.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 12:23:42 *** TinoM| [n=Tino@i5387D80C.versanet.de] has quit [Client Quit] 12:27:07 *** TinoM| [n=Tino@i5387C560.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 12:36:56 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit ["http://iThought.dk/"] 12:38:47 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["-"] 12:38:50 <roboman> gnight 12:39:27 *** roboman is now known as sandbowask-lined 12:39:38 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387D80C.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:48:18 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 12:50:18 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #OpenTTD 13:02:50 *** sandbowask-lined [n=Leo@c220-239-174-188.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:11:48 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181079152.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 13:12:38 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B37EAD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:14:29 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Bye!"] 13:24:19 *** egladil_ibook [n=egladil@h31n3fls301o1035.telia.com] has joined #openttd 13:30:48 <CIA-5> miham * r5692 /trunk/lang/slovak.txt: 13:30:48 <CIA-5> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-08-01 15:27:09 13:30:48 <CIA-5> slovak - 11 changed by lengyel (11) 13:34:02 *** egladil_ [n=egladil@h31n3fls301o1035.telia.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:34:12 <Magus_X_AWAY> <luckzeh> [02:17:49] [Magus_X_AWAY] when i updated <- why call you downdating updating? 13:34:19 <Magus_X_AWAY> because the nightly was a bit old 13:34:20 <Trenskow> the "service" option in the orders window... does that mean it only services at that particular depot ? 13:34:53 *** StarLite [n=Star@80.126.135.18] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:35:57 <Sacro> Trenskow: afaik, yes 13:36:05 <Trenskow> nice 13:38:57 *** StarLite [n=Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:45:45 *** Maedhros_ [n=jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has joined #openttd 13:48:41 *** Magus_X[ZZZ] [i=t7ds@201.11.232.24] has joined #openttd 13:50:20 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 13:50:37 *** Sacro_ [n=ben@adsl-83-100-187-247.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:51:08 *** Maedhros_ is now known as Maedhros 13:52:10 <CIA-5> truelight * r5693 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ (Makefile.in Makefile.lang.in Makefile.src.in configure): 13:52:10 <CIA-5> [MakefileRewrite] -Add: first set of new-type Makefiles. 13:52:10 <CIA-5> Configure doesn't detect anything yet, neither does endian-test works. 13:52:10 <CIA-5> Short to say: it doesn't work. But, it is a good start ;) 13:53:22 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-196-32.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 13:55:53 *** [T75]StarLite|Te [n=Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:56:16 <CIA-5> truelight * r5694 /branches/makefile_rewrite/Makefile.in: [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: allow verbose in main makefile 14:08:04 *** Magus_X_AWAY [i=t7ds@201-35-92-47.paebv700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:08:09 *** Magus_X[ZZZ] [i=t7ds@201.11.232.24] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:11:36 *** ammler [n=marcel@122.148.203.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 14:11:43 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B77BB8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:14:29 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B76782.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:16:29 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:18:37 <Trenskow> what does the little red dot in the status line mean ? 14:20:14 <Darkvater> news 14:20:16 <Darkvater> hidden 14:20:19 <Darkvater> click on it to show 14:22:20 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181079152.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:22:34 <luckzeh> .. 14:22:39 <luckzeh> so those new bus stations are broken too? 14:23:20 <Darkvater> 5535 14:23:21 <Darkvater> ? 14:23:41 <luckzeh> 5663 miniin 14:23:52 <Darkvater> ah 14:24:01 <Darkvater> you really needa report miniin bugs on the forums 14:24:18 <luckzeh> is there any way to get my stuck vehicle to move, turn around or do anything else with violent force? 14:24:48 <luckzeh> wow. 14:25:04 * Darkvater pushes luckzeh down a deep ravine 14:25:16 <luckzeh> I made it move by building another old-style one where it wanted to go. 14:25:18 * luckzeh dies :x 14:29:20 <luckzeh> (and then it proceeded to go loading twice every time, so I'll just stop using the weird new ones) 14:34:51 *** Hendikins [n=wolfox@pdpc/supporter/student/Hendikins] has joined #openttd 14:35:05 *** OwenS [n=OwenS@cpc1-stkn6-0-0-cust801.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 14:38:27 <RichK67_wrk> luckzeh: if you read the instructions in the road stops thread on how to use the new road stops, you will know you have to have an extra piece of normal road beyond the stop to allow a vehicle to turnaround (it has passed the turn around position on the roadstop tile, so has to go one more tile and turn there) 14:39:23 <luckzeh> only read the stuff I found in the wiki (miniin-wise) 14:55:00 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 14:56:15 *** Hendikins [n=wolfox@pdpc/supporter/student/Hendikins] has quit ["Any technology, no matter how primitive, is magic to those who don't understand it"] 15:00:26 *** Hendikins [n=wolfox@pdpc/supporter/student/Hendikins] has joined #openttd 15:01:27 <Sacro_> RichK67_wrk MiniIN FTW :D 15:01:46 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 15:01:57 <RichK67_wrk> FTW? 15:02:08 <Sacro> yes :) 15:02:14 <Sacro> for t3h win 15:02:29 <RichK67_wrk> sorry - what does it mean... 15:02:43 <Sacro> for the win, kinda like voting 15:02:45 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 15:02:49 <hylje> for the win. 15:03:01 *** OwenS [n=OwenS@cpc1-stkn6-0-0-cust801.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:03:04 <RichK67_wrk> oh... still clueless ;) 15:03:06 <peter1138> it means nothing 15:03:46 <Sacro> RichK67_wrk: it needs a weekly autosave though 15:04:29 <Sacro> hmm, i just loaded up a game, clicked on a station, and there was nothing waiting 15:04:52 <Sacro> cos i loaded the wrong save.. 15:05:04 <RichK67_wrk> ah... user trouble ;) 15:06:24 <Sacro> those physics patches make a lot of difference 15:06:38 <Sacro> you realise just how bad a 0-6-0 tank is for heavy freight 15:08:08 <RichK67_wrk> lol - it might make UKRS far more sensible... currently it is a waste of time upgrading many freight locos if you only use short (7-8 wagon) trains since a EE Type 1 is faster than a Type 5... but with physics on, the power of the type 5 should really show through 15:11:54 <Sacro> yes, i cant wait for the next engines... 15:12:26 <Sacro> :o 172k a year running cost 15:13:18 *** Singaporekid [n=notme@cm13.epsilon123.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 15:13:19 *** Singaporekid is now known as Skiddles^ 15:18:13 <Sacro> its scary how fast a train can brake 15:18:34 <luckzeh> on that topic, what are brake vans for exactly? 15:19:05 <luckzeh> and does it matter how I order the different train parts? 15:19:08 <CIA-5> truelight * r5695 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ (Makefile.lang.in Makefile.src.in): [MakefileRewrite] -Add: 'make window.o' in main-Makefile is given to all sub-Makefiles, giving an easy way to compile single files 15:20:06 <Sacro> luckzeh: in the olden days, brake vans where used to keep the tension on the rake 15:20:21 <Sacro> so that when you slowed down, all the carridges didnt slam into each other 15:23:42 <luckzeh> why are they in the UKRS - do they serve any actual ingame function? 15:27:08 <Skiddles^> They look awesome :D 15:27:48 <Skiddles^> Well, they do make the tank engines reverse without flipping around in the patch. 15:28:12 <Sacro> luckzeh: well im hoping to have realistic deceleration soon 15:28:20 <Sacro> with newsignals in YAPF 15:29:50 *** StarLite [n=Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:30:30 <Skiddles^> Realistic braking :D 15:31:29 *** Neonox [n=Neonox@ip-80-226-193-87.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 15:32:55 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 15:34:11 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-187-247.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:35:10 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-187-247.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:38:32 *** Skiddles^ [n=notme@cm13.epsilon123.maxonline.com.sg] has left #openttd ["Leaving"] 15:50:20 <luckzeh> does the functionality of the replace vehicles command depend on the autorenew minimum money? 15:50:36 <RichK67_wrk> yes 15:52:52 <luckzeh> can I force that anyhow? 15:53:37 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-544081bf.wfd74a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:56:55 *** Mucht|work [n=Mucht@62.99.225.122] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 16:00:41 <RichK67_wrk> well, you can customise the minimum money amount in settings, but you also need to have no loan IIRC... 16:04:09 <luckzeh> it worked while having loan 16:04:17 <luckzeh> just took a very long while :p 16:04:21 <luckzeh> and told me it failed while actually working 16:04:54 <luckzeh> is there an actual complicated formula to how much max loan you can have? 16:06:55 <Sacro> something to do with max_loan + so much %age of company value 16:08:14 *** |Jeroen| [n=jerre@dD5E03E95.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:11:20 <RichK67_wrk> i thought it was just time related... 16:19:01 <hylje> inflation related afaik 16:19:13 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80F22.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:25:44 *** |Jeroen| [n=jerre@dD5E03E95.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:27:37 *** Rens2Sea [n=Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has joined #openTTD 16:27:49 *** michi_cc-away is now known as michi_cc 16:28:29 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03E95.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:33:17 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176097125.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:35:34 *** RichK67_wrk [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has quit [] 16:40:25 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #OpenTTD 16:43:31 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 16:48:59 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B83B74.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:53:14 *** Frostregen_ [n=sucks@dslb-084-058-171-008.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:58:11 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B80F22.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:58:21 *** sayno [n=sayno@ppp-168-253-19-230.den1.ip.ricochet.net] has joined #openttd 17:04:00 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:10:27 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80F22.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:10:48 *** Frostregen [n=sucks@dslb-084-058-170-138.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:10:51 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 17:13:43 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host120-232.pool874.interbusiness.it] has joined #OpenTTD 17:13:53 <Wolf01> yo 17:14:08 <Wolf01> Frostregen, added a poll for the hotkeys :P 17:19:02 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181079152.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 17:20:55 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k886.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 17:27:11 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B83B74.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["Don't give me logic, give me emotions!"] 17:28:10 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B83B74.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:33:17 *** edeca is now known as davidc 17:33:22 *** davidc is now known as edeca 17:34:07 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 17:34:10 *** Nickman87 [n=nickman@dD5778837.access.telenet.be] has joined #Openttd 17:36:23 *** sayno [n=sayno@ppp-168-253-19-230.den1.ip.ricochet.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:48:58 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181079152.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:56:46 <CIA-5> miham * r5696 /trunk/lang/turkish.txt: 17:56:46 <CIA-5> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-08-01 19:56:23 17:56:46 <CIA-5> turkish - 5 changed by jnmbk (5) 18:05:01 *** XeryusTC [n=irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 18:06:05 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181079152.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 18:06:24 <MrRexxie> the last change done to string.c seems to have broken it on windows, at least when I try to compile it here.. :P 18:06:29 *** MrRexxie is now known as Rexxie 18:06:57 <Sacro> what rev? 18:07:07 <Rexxie> 5684 18:07:39 <Rexxie> warning C4013: 'tolower' undefined; assuming extern returning int 18:09:27 <Bjarni> we got a commit about tolower() today 18:09:35 <Bjarni> that's likely the one that breaks it for you 18:09:56 <Bjarni> luckily it was detected -6 minutes before the nightly builds are compiled :P 18:10:24 <Rexxie> hehe 18:10:38 <Rexxie> just thought I'd let you guys know, seeing as theres no fix on svn yet and all 18:14:21 *** sayno [n=sayno@ppp-168-253-10-70.den1.ip.ricochet.net] has joined #openttd 18:15:02 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 18:16:10 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181079152.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:16:11 *** tokai|alternativ [n=tokai@p54B83B74.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:16:28 *** GoneWacko [n=gonewack@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 18:18:11 *** pwr [n=pwr@82.78.120.186] has quit ["Client exiting"] 18:23:22 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:26:30 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181079152.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 18:35:52 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 18:38:27 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-187-247.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:39:22 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-187-247.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:40:23 *** pwr [n=pwr@82.78.120.186] has joined #openttd 18:42:55 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["Lunchtime!"] 18:44:20 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 18:46:44 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:49:34 *** Mucht|zZz is now known as Mucht 18:56:34 <Darkvater> Rexxie: what OS and what compiler? 18:56:48 <Rexxie> Windows, Visual Studio 18:57:06 <Darkvater> what windows, what visual studio? 18:57:17 <Rexxie> XP, 2005 :p 18:58:13 <Darkvater> cause it works for me here 18:58:14 <Darkvater> XP, 2003 18:58:37 <Rexxie> trange 18:58:46 <Rexxie> s/trange/strange 18:58:54 <Darkvater> try adding #include <ctype.h> to string.c 19:00:07 <glx> there's already #include <ctype.h> in string.c 19:00:15 <Darkvater> no thre is not 19:00:19 <glx> but it's enclosed in #if defined(UNIX) || defined(__OS2__) 19:00:31 <Darkvater> yep 19:00:49 <Rexxie> that did the trick :) 19:02:00 <Darkvater> the question is why this happens? 19:02:09 <Darkvater> or even why did it work before? 19:02:15 <Darkvater> and why does it work for me but not for you 19:02:38 <glx> works with mingw but there's a warning 19:02:52 <Bjarni> Darkvater: you ask too many questions 19:02:59 <Bjarni> it's windows, remember ;) 19:03:00 <Darkvater> Bjarni: http://nightly.openttd.org/devs/error.log 19:05:56 <Wolf01> i have to add something in VpStartPlaceSizing to e able to build things with drag&drop? 19:06:07 <Bjarni> it compiles just fine here 19:06:18 <Darkvater> Bjarni: warnings 19:06:23 <Darkvater> best to fix'em 19:06:31 <Bjarni> they aren't that simple to fix 19:06:36 <Bjarni> it works anyway 19:06:52 <Darkvater> it's deprecated 19:07:05 <Darkvater> next time you look it's not even there in 10.4 and you're screwed 19:07:17 <Bjarni> no 19:07:20 <Bjarni> it's not in 10.5 19:07:30 <Bjarni> I presume 19:07:34 <Born_Acorn> OpenTTD 10.5 is out already! 19:07:42 <Rexxie> haha 19:07:46 <Darkvater> I don't get this ctype error 19:07:49 * Bjarni beats Born_Acorn with a large stick 19:07:55 <Darkvater> something's really fishy with some header files 19:07:56 * Born_Acorn runs to the nearest phone booth to alert the press 19:08:50 <Wolf01> Wolf01, ping 19:08:50 <Wolf01> Wolf01, pong... yes i can see what i'm writing 19:09:18 * Bjarni just got the proof he needed 19:09:31 <Born_Acorn> I remember when two people had ping pong scripts. 19:09:42 <Bjarni> now we can pick up Wolf01. He is ready to be put in a rubber cell 19:09:57 <Wolf01> ok, now i got your attention 19:09:59 <Bjarni> he thinks he is several different people and he talks to himself 19:10:01 <Born_Acorn> Why would you want a ping reply to pong? 19:10:16 <Born_Acorn> It was ping pong ping pong. They both got banned. 19:10:21 *** Nickman [n=nickman@dD5778837.access.telenet.be] has joined #Openttd 19:10:29 <Rexxie> surprising. 19:10:42 <Born_Acorn> Not as suprising as BANANAS 19:11:07 <Bjarni> Born_Acorn: well, at one time some guy found a guy with autoreply, so he turned his own autoreply on and messaged that guy to flood him out of the server 19:11:15 <Wolf01> i want to make drag&drop buy land, to be able to add another nice feature to it, but when i drag the area and release the mouse button it build... nothing 19:11:18 <Rexxie> bananas are the epitome of surprising 19:11:18 <Bjarni> guess who was kicked for flooding :D 19:12:02 <glx> Darkvater: http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/ctype.diff 19:12:03 <Bjarni> Wolf01: we decided against drag-n-drop buy land to prevent abuse 19:12:13 *** Nickman [n=nickman@dD5778837.access.telenet.be] has quit [Client Quit] 19:12:20 <Wolf01> i disabe it on mp 19:12:25 <Bjarni> good 19:12:31 <Wolf01> s/disabe/disable 19:12:34 <Darkvater> glx: I know what to fix. But I don't know why it worked before 19:12:50 <Darkvater> glx: I mean in fileio.c there was no include of ctype for windows, yet it worked 19:13:24 <Wolf01> i whant to use it to show eyecandy features like newstation things, so you don't need stations to build something 19:13:31 <Darkvater> glx: it could be that deeply somewhere some shitty include includes a system header file that includes ctype.... bah 19:13:44 <Bjarni> Darkvater: btw those deprecated functions... they are only deprecated when compiling for x86. On PPC, they are just fine 19:13:49 <glx> I know why it worked 19:14:00 <Darkvater> please tell :) 19:14:07 <glx> #if !defined(WIN32) 19:14:14 <Darkvater> where? 19:14:21 <Bjarni> and this is really the reason why it's there. The cocoa driver was written before universal binaries were in use 19:14:28 *** Nickman87 [n=nickman@dD5778837.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:14:32 <glx> fileio.c 19:14:40 <glx> all calls to tolower was protected 19:14:48 <glx> *were 19:14:50 <Darkvater> ah 19:15:02 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 19:15:03 <Darkvater> point taken 19:15:18 <Darkvater> glx: thx 19:16:34 <Wolf01> i think i'll start to speak to myself again 19:18:04 * Bjarni cleans the rubber cell 19:18:05 <Darkvater> glx: the question is now why didn't vs2003 give an error about tolower in string.c while vs2005 did? 19:18:39 <glx> I can't help for this one 19:18:45 <Bjarni> Wolf01: you want attention, then I will make sure that you will get attention 19:19:13 <Bjarni> CIA-5: pay close attention to Wolf01 or be kicked 19:19:46 <Wolf01> oh i can speak with CIA-5, maybe he can be my friend :D 19:19:50 * Born_Acorn eats CIA-5 19:19:58 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r5697 /trunk/ (gfxinit.c string.c win32.c): -Fix [r5684]: tolower() was undefined for certain architectures, strangly VS2003 didn't complain, VS2005 did. Thanks glx 19:19:58 * CIA-5 tastes crunchy 19:20:09 <Bjarni> bbl 19:20:32 <Wolf01> bye Bjarni 19:21:48 <glx> Darkvater: ctype.h needed in win32.c (for toupper()) 19:22:21 <Darkvater> there is no toupper in win32.c 19:22:37 <glx> ===> Compiling win32.c 19:22:37 <glx> win32.c: In function `DeterminePaths': 19:22:37 <glx> win32.c:1161: warning: implicit declaration of function `toupper' 19:22:44 <Darkvater> gaah 19:22:55 <Darkvater> .. 19:23:00 <Darkvater> somebody shoot me 19:24:33 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r5698 /trunk/win32.c: - Fix [r5697]: don't remove ctype include for win32.c; needed for toupper...ugh 19:25:37 * lws1984 shoots Darkvater :p 19:26:46 <Darkvater> thank you 19:34:35 * Sacro shoots lws1984 19:35:58 * Zaviori drews cookiejar and cookies everyone 19:36:31 <luckzeh> how sensible is having autorenew vehicles on? 19:36:44 <Zaviori> Its useful 19:37:59 * lws1984 wonders why he is not bleeding 19:40:13 <luckzeh> yes, but it's also very expensive :x 19:40:32 <luckzeh> I wonder why I have no money, then notice that in the last year 250k went into new vehicles 19:40:39 <luckzeh> well, replacing old ones 19:42:18 *** Osai is now known as Osai^afk 19:42:53 *** Noldo [i=vheino@lame.lut.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:50:06 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Probably doing something else"] 19:51:27 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B83B74.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #openttd ["icebears... take care of them!"] 20:04:29 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 20:12:54 *** Osai^afk is now known as Osai 20:16:56 <Bjarni> Darkvater: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=474998#474998 <-- do you think you can manage to make "official" win64 binaries? 20:17:15 <Bjarni> like I make official OSX 10.3 binaries without having OSX 10.3 to compile on/test on 20:17:40 <Darkvater> I can't make official 2in64 binaries 20:17:53 <Darkvater> can't compile for it 20:17:58 <Darkvater> at least didn't found out how 20:18:17 <Darkvater> will ask michi_cc ;) or use his version after I find out what he used 20:18:32 <michi_cc> Darkvater: yes? 20:18:36 <Darkvater> dammit 20:18:44 <Darkvater> shit, /me hides quickly 20:18:57 <Darkvater> michi_cc: gonna ask you in 10-15 ok? :) 20:19:03 <michi_cc> sure 20:19:35 <Wolf01> 10-15 years 20:19:59 <Bjarni> well, that's one thing that OSX is good at: compiling for a different version of the same OS 20:20:15 <Bjarni> I wonder if I will be able to make OSX 10.5 binaries from 10.4 20:20:23 <Bjarni> in theory it's not that tricky to do 20:20:31 <Sacro> you want any for different distros? 20:20:48 <Sacro> i can do Arch, Ubuntu, CentOS/FC/RH 20:20:50 <Bjarni> Sacro: you mean OTTD for linux binaries? 20:21:01 <Bjarni> I guess so :) 20:21:28 <Sacro> Bjarni: yes 20:21:56 <Bjarni> somebody asked for them, so I guess somebody should make them 20:22:04 *** Neonox [n=Neonox@ip-80-226-193-87.vodafone-net.de] has quit ["muss wech"] 20:22:10 <Sacro> be nice if people mentioned distros 20:22:14 <Sacro> cos i dont mind installing and doing them 20:22:18 <Bjarni> and I don't have a crosscompiler to do so... 20:22:59 <Sacro> i have a MinGW cross compiler 20:22:59 <Bjarni> I just don't get why people run linux without gcc 20:23:12 <Sacro> they do, they just dont like compiling 20:23:20 <Bjarni> brb 20:23:37 <Sacro> if it doesnt appear under yum, apt-get, synaptic YAST...they complain and give uup 20:24:20 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-208-241.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 20:26:47 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181127139.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:31:39 *** sayno [n=sayno@ppp-168-253-10-70.den1.ip.ricochet.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 20:32:08 <michi_cc> Darkvater: time's up ;) I'm using normal VS2005 Pro with installed Win64 support 20:33:59 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:34:21 <Wolf01> i need some help with placing things with drag&drop, i can't figure what i have to do to make it work 20:34:44 <Bjarni> back 20:35:16 <Bjarni> michi_cc: nah, that sounds too simple 20:35:18 <Bjarni> it's not that 20:35:27 <Bjarni> you have to do something else as well 20:36:02 <michi_cc> what else? voodoo dances or what :) 20:36:17 <Wolf01> talk alone 20:36:21 <Bjarni> no 20:36:53 <Bjarni> michi_cc: it's more like you should not be able to do something like that unless you compile your compiler yourself or something 20:37:46 * Sacro builds an Arch Linux package 20:37:57 <michi_cc> you know, MS does quite nicely for their own OS, you could even download free compilers for some time 20:38:05 <michi_cc> mind you, only for thier *OWN* os though 20:39:28 <Bjarni> you mean you can download some win64 addon so you can compile win64 binaries? 20:39:48 <Bjarni> that would need 64 bit libs for all 3rd party libs, but still 20:39:56 <Sacro> could we have a universal, cross platform binary 20:40:09 *** Real^Osai [n=Osai@p54B35D27.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:40:14 <Bjarni> Sacro: yeah 20:40:16 <michi_cc> VisualStudio 2005 Pro comes with it out of the box, and some SDK has compilers in it (it might still have) 20:41:01 <Bjarni> Sacro: if we make binaries for all operation systems, pack them together and then distribute a java app to make all OSes start the right binary 20:41:02 <Bjarni> that would work 20:41:03 <michi_cc> zlib is a no-brainer, officially compatible, and libpng does quite nicely as well 20:41:26 <Bjarni> stupid solution and a huge distribution, but it could work 20:41:33 <michi_cc> port OpenTTD directly to java ;) 20:41:44 * Bjarni shoots michi_cc 20:42:07 <Bjarni> if you like the garbage collector, then use objective C 20:42:07 <michi_cc> hehe, you could use mono if you're more into that 20:42:29 <Wolf01> let's make a gamemaker port of ottd 20:43:11 <Sacro> someones already porting it to C# 20:43:26 <Bjarni> yeah 20:43:31 <Bjarni> and that's just plain silly 20:43:37 <Sacro> :o phwoar, shes got nice wobbly bits 20:43:39 <Bjarni> it will never get my support 20:43:53 <Sacro> cos your a mac user 20:44:12 <Bjarni> that's not it 20:44:32 <Bjarni> the reason is that I have seen the language, can't code it and don't want to learn to code it ;) 20:45:58 <Bjarni> goodnight 20:46:03 <Bjarni> see you tomorrow 20:46:04 <Wolf01> night 20:46:06 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:46:38 *** Neonox [n=Neonox@ip-80-226-193-87.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 20:47:27 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B37EAD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:47:27 <Sacro> right, thats an Arch Linux package built 20:51:02 *** Real^Osai is now known as Osai 20:51:26 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 20:53:20 *** BJH_ [n=chatzill@e176117091.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:55:32 <Darkvater> ok michi_cc :) 20:56:05 <michi_cc> official binaries are built on linux, right? 20:56:31 <Darkvater> michi_cc: 3 questions. 1. do you know if one can crosscompile from win32 to win64? 2. what and how are you compiling? 3. hmm, forgot 20:56:36 <Darkvater> michi_cc: the *nix ones, yes 20:56:45 <glx> and nightlies 20:57:03 <michi_cc> 1. yes, in fact all mcrosoft compilers are win32 binaries 20:57:16 <Darkvater> ? 20:57:31 <Darkvater> I mean can I compile from my win32 machine a win64 binary 20:57:50 <michi_cc> yes, even I am technically cross-compiling 20:58:12 <Darkvater> how so? 20:58:46 <michi_cc> as I said, the compiler itself is a win32 app which happens to produce 64-bit code 20:59:16 <Darkvater> that was not the question :). 20:59:32 <Darkvater> I suppose it's a VS2005 only thing no? Cause I've never seen win64 mode in vs2003 21:00:00 <michi_cc> yes, VS2005 only. professional and up have it included, but not installed by default 21:00:19 <Darkvater> ugh..just deinstalled vs2005 :O 21:00:35 <michi_cc> there used to be an SDK downlaod wich included win64 command line compilers, not sure if that's still available 21:00:49 <Darkvater> ok, so 1 is possible with vs2005 21:00:52 <Darkvater> what about 2 21:00:59 <michi_cc> (if not, the internet as many places to get it) 21:01:11 <Darkvater> and 3, which is: did you test the binary on a win64 machine that doesn't have an development studio isntalled 21:01:35 <michi_cc> 3. the runtime is statically linked, so no problems with that 21:01:55 <Darkvater> and 4. could you compile a win32 binary with VS2005 and run the game on a machine without dev-tools doing OS: WinXP, Win2k, WinME, Win98, Win95 21:02:13 <michi_cc> 2. plain svn sources with a slightly spiced-up project file 21:02:24 <Darkvater> what are the changes? 21:02:27 <michi_cc> 4. yes, no problem 21:02:47 <michi_cc> converted to VS2005 format and added Win64 target 21:03:04 <Darkvater> 4 would be great. I gave it a try sometime in the past, but started getting troubles with msvcrt8.dll missing which comes with vs2005 21:03:06 <michi_cc> wait, aren't vs2005 project files now in trunk? 21:03:10 <Darkvater> yes 21:03:21 <Darkvater> :) 21:03:51 <michi_cc> problems with missing dlls can be avoided by using the static runtime 21:04:21 <Darkvater> hmm could be it. however I never had such probs with vs2003 21:04:31 <Darkvater> runs perfectly even on win95 21:05:17 <michi_cc> I think it still uses the old runtime, or the default compiler options are different 21:07:29 <Darkvater> if you can find it out for me, it would be great, save me a lot of time, and a chance to put the win64 project settings into svn 21:09:11 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176097125.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:09:30 <Wolf01> grrr i can demolish land but not buy land 21:09:34 <michi_cc> I can send you a working vs2005 project right away, it definitely doesn't need any additional dlls 21:10:48 <Darkvater> just a diff suffices :) 21:11:25 <michi_cc> sure, svn diff. please hold the line for a moment :) 21:12:53 *** egladil_ [n=egladil@h31n3fls301o1035.telia.com] has joined #openttd 21:16:59 *** tokai|badnetwork [n=tokai@p54B80C3A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:20:47 *** egladil_ibook [n=egladil@h31n3fls301o1035.telia.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:24:14 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:28:43 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has left #openttd ["http://iThought.dk/"] 21:28:47 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 21:29:37 <michi_cc> Darkvater: look inside http://www.icosahedron.de/openttd/vs2005_win64.zip 21:29:52 <michi_cc> complete with binary zlib and libpng 21:30:29 <Darkvater> the lib files? 21:30:35 <Darkvater> aren't those the same as in useful.zip? 21:30:47 <michi_cc> no, these are win32 21:30:48 *** pwr [n=pwr@82.78.120.186] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:30:56 <Darkvater> hmm 21:30:59 * Darkvater checks 21:31:40 <Darkvater> useful.zip contains win64 libraries 21:31:49 <Darkvater> complete with includes 21:32:01 <Darkvater> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103924&package_id=114307&release_id=370704 21:32:09 <Darkvater> please double check if those are correct 21:32:19 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03E95.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Whoopsy"] 21:32:28 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["Ugh, traffic"] 21:32:51 <Sacro> is there a place for user contributed linux binaries? 21:34:19 <michi_cc> I know that my files are working all right 21:34:34 <luckzeh> can I make a 2 to 4 to 2 track mixer be controlled by PBS easily? 21:35:17 <Darkvater> michi_cc: I think the same files are in useful.zip. I think I got them for you. Would be great if you could confirm that 21:36:36 <michi_cc> it's not the same, their md5's don't match. they might still work though. I can check that if you like 21:36:56 *** pwr [n=pwr@82.78.120.186] has joined #openttd 21:37:00 <Darkvater> are you using latest zlib/libpng? 21:37:35 <Darkvater> well, just check if your zip has the latest zlib/libpng and I will put those into useful.zip 21:38:47 *** Neonox [n=Neonox@ip-80-226-193-87.vodafone-net.de] has left #openttd ["muss wech"] 21:39:01 <michi_cc> they're the same versions as in useful.zip, which I think has an out-dated zlib 21:39:08 *** tokai|alternativ [n=tokai@p54B83B74.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:39:37 <michi_cc> actually, it's not outdated 21:40:31 <Darkvater> according to readme it's the latest zlib, but older libpng 1.2.8; latest is 1.2.12 21:41:03 <michi_cc> yeah, just checked that myself. I can make a new libpng if you want 21:41:17 <Darkvater> would be good. I'll also make one for win32 soon 21:46:38 *** Rens2Sea [n=Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has quit [] 21:47:23 <Wolf01> i need your help for 2 little things: 21:47:23 <Wolf01> 1) there is a variable to know if i'm on a multiplayer game or single player? 21:47:23 <Wolf01> 2) how to get drag&drop buy land to work, i can only dynamite land :( 21:48:32 *** Belugas_Gone [n=Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 21:49:30 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 21:50:30 <Darkvater> 1) there is some global variable called _networking 21:50:41 <Darkvater> 2) look at how dynamite is implemented with d&d 21:50:54 <Wolf01> i already can dynamite 21:51:09 <Darkvater> yes, look how that is implemented and you can just copy it for buying land 21:51:28 <Wolf01> i did so :( 21:52:50 <Wolf01> void PlaceProc_BuyLand(TileIndex tile) 21:52:50 <Wolf01> { 21:52:50 <Wolf01> if (_networking) { 21:52:50 <Wolf01> DoCommandP(tile, 1, 0, CcPlaySound1E, CMD_PURCHASE_LAND_AREA | CMD_AUTO | CMD_NO_WATER | CMD_MSG(STR_5806_CAN_T_PURCHASE_THIS_LAND)); 21:52:50 <Wolf01> } else { 21:52:52 <Wolf01> VpStartPlaceSizing(tile, VPM_X_AND_Y); 21:52:54 <Wolf01> } 21:52:56 <Wolf01> } 21:53:36 <Sacro> ooh, irc diffs 21:53:57 <Darkvater> sorry Wolf01, perhaps tomorrow, I needa go to bed real soon 21:54:58 <Wolf01> ok, night Darkvater 21:56:04 *** Lord_damnit [i=Lord@84-72-25-132.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #openttd 21:56:15 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 21:57:31 <Tron> hm, the 1 there is bogus 21:57:50 <Tron> CMD_PURCHASE_LAND_AREA doesn't use any parameter except the tile 22:00:04 <Lord_damnit> hi folks, i'm trying to compile openttd with VS6 for the first time now, but i can't seem to get it working. even the file openttd.dsw is missing (latest trunk). i tried with 0.4.7 as well, but i'm just getting "NMAKE : fatal error U1052: file 'openttd.mak' not found". Anyone know how to fix this? 22:00:43 *** Darkvater [n=tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has quit ["leaving"] 22:01:01 <Sacro> Lord_damnit: VS6 isnt supported 22:01:04 <Tron> HEAD doesn't compile with VS6 22:01:39 <Lord_damnit> hm, alright, i don't need the latest version anyway. so which one does? 22:02:20 <Lord_damnit> 0.4.7 should, right? since it's coming with openttd.dsw... 22:02:33 <Tron> maybe 2 or 3 months back 22:02:39 <glx> VS2005 is free now 22:02:49 <Tron> ottd won't work with VS6 anymore 22:03:06 <Tron> and there's no intent to change this 22:04:18 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has quit ["leaving"] 22:05:14 <Wolf01> uhm, also _networking does not work 22:05:18 <Lord_damnit> ok, no problem. 0.1.4 is all i need 22:06:26 <Lord_damnit> and that one seems to work 22:06:37 <Tron> uh...ok, good luck 22:06:56 <Tron> Wolf01: be a bit more specific than "does not work", maybe somebody can help you then 22:07:27 <Wolf01> is always false also when in multiplayer 22:07:37 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181127139.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 22:07:58 <Tron> given that it is used all over the place i doubt your statement 22:08:15 <Sacro> Lord_damnit: heh, 0.1.4 is good for nostalgia 22:08:15 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 22:11:54 <Lord_damnit> just compiled 0.3.2.1, went well. thanks folks, gn8 22:12:04 <luckzeh> no "expert" on PBS around? 22:12:50 <Wolf01> bah... night all 22:12:59 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host120-232.pool874.interbusiness.it] has quit ["e ricordate, per la legge di avogadro non esiste cazzo quadro"] 22:13:08 *** Lord_damnit [i=Lord@84-72-25-132.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [] 22:14:09 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 22:14:37 <Sacro> luckzeh: yeah? 22:15:43 <Frostregen> hmm, just missed wolf 22:16:48 <luckzeh> I have a train route with two stations, two lanes for every direction, two lanes per station. I want to have some form of load balancing thing inbetween the stations. 22:17:23 <Sacro> ah, PBS doesnt do load balancing 22:17:24 <luckzeh> what I built so far basically is two tracks to four tracks and back to two tracks, with lots of track changing things inbetween. 22:17:26 <luckzeh> okay. 22:17:35 <luckzeh> what can I use it for? 22:17:57 <luckzeh> it didn't seem to like being used for controlling which train gets which station lane, either 22:18:31 <Sacro> nope 22:18:50 <Sacro> it allows you to have more than 1 train in a block providing their paths dont intersect 22:20:14 <luckzeh> so could I put that to the end of a station from where two different paths head out into opposing directions? 22:22:03 <luckzeh> that also doesnt seem to work too well :p 22:23:38 <luckzeh> so it's mainly useful for when tracks cross each other? 22:23:49 <luckzeh> (from and to totally different directions) 22:25:10 <Sacro> yeah 22:25:17 <Sacro> i use it a lot for junctions and stations 22:26:48 <Sacro> OMG, WTF, ROFLCOPTER, errm, OMGWTFBBQ 22:26:50 <Sacro> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=26560 22:26:50 <luckzeh> which parts/situations of stations? 22:27:01 <Sacro> luckzeh: works nicely on terminuses 22:28:18 *** tokai|badnetwork [n=tokai@p54B80C3A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["Don't give me logic, give me emotions!"] 22:28:22 <luckzeh> have any examples of how that is supposed to look and when one can use it and when one can't? 22:29:14 <Sacro> theres quite a few shots of mine in openttd pics forum 22:36:36 <Zaviori> Is there ottd pics forum? :på 22:37:15 <Sacro> yeah, in general openttd 22:37:32 <Zaviori> A subforum? :e 22:39:47 *** Nickman87 [n=nickman@dD5778837.access.telenet.be] has joined #Openttd 22:44:06 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 22:44:26 *** Nickman [n=nickman@dD5778837.access.telenet.be] has joined #Openttd 22:59:29 <luckzeh> wasn't there some form of bug/issue regarding presignals being red when one of their exits remains green? 23:01:29 *** Nickman87 [n=nickman@dD5778837.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:06:22 *** Nickman [n=nickman@dD5778837.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:06:47 *** Nickman87 [n=nickman@dD5778837.access.telenet.be] has joined #Openttd 23:09:18 *** TinoM| [n=Tino@i5387C560.versanet.de] has quit ["Verlassend"] 23:11:22 <Sacro> luckzeh: possibly 23:12:11 <luckzeh> I will hand out a pic 23:12:19 <luckzeh> http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/6307/ottdor0.png 23:12:32 <luckzeh> why is the top encircled one red? 23:12:37 <luckzeh> I tried making it every kind of signal etc 23:12:45 <luckzeh> it just doesnt want to be anything but red. 23:13:05 <glx> because there's a train 23:13:26 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 23:13:40 *** Mucht|zZz is now known as Mucht|zZzbtw 23:13:48 <glx> same for the other encircled 23:13:52 <luckzeh> but the exit signal on the top is completely free and green and happy 23:14:01 *** Mucht|zZzbtw is now known as Mucht|zZz 23:14:12 <glx> presignal are not PBS 23:14:49 <luckzeh> of course, but PBS would do even more evil things there 23:14:58 <luckzeh> so I should just scrap all of that and find a different way to do it? 23:16:17 <glx> the top one is a safety thing (prevent crash :) ) 23:16:54 *** PAStheLoD [n=pas@catv-56656d26.catv.broadband.hu] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 23:17:04 <glx> but I agree, the bottom one could become green once the train passed the junction (no crash risk) 23:18:08 <Sacro> yes thats right 23:18:38 <Sacro> its just crying out for PBS though 23:18:53 <luckzeh> PBS does not exactly help. 23:19:02 <luckzeh> well, PBS also creates the red light in the upper circle. 23:19:14 <glx> yes but the train can pass it 23:20:04 <luckzeh> my trains so far engaged in total stoppage when engaged with a red PBS light 23:20:14 <luckzeh> no matter if there were 40 paths for them that nothing would ever use 23:20:31 <luckzeh> maybe PBS hates me and became PMS :x 23:20:47 <glx> maybe bad layout :) 23:21:20 <luckzeh> so where would I put PBS light and which would I just kill? 23:21:29 <Sacro> luckzeh: in the console type "debug_level pbs=1" 23:21:52 <luckzeh> sure that's how you want me to type it? 23:21:59 <luckzeh> whines about nonworkyness 23:22:07 <luckzeh> nvm 23:24:00 <luckzeh> doesnt do anything though, at least not for trains just passing through PBS lights normally 23:25:54 <glx> should show you reserved tracks 23:26:01 <luckzeh> I know, but it doesn't 23:26:09 <luckzeh> am I supposed to get a confirmation for the command? 23:26:14 <luckzeh> do I maybe have to load it before the game? 23:26:16 <luckzeh> does it not work in MP? 23:26:37 <glx> ok so maybe you are using yapf 23:26:54 <luckzeh> is that bad? 23:27:05 <glx> PBs doesn't work with yapf 23:27:12 <luckzeh> heh, okay. 23:27:22 <luckzeh> can I turn yapf off in midgame? 23:27:27 <glx> yes 23:28:02 <luckzeh> okay 23:28:20 <glx> NPF must be on 23:28:22 <luckzeh> yep 23:28:27 <luckzeh> it shows stuff now 23:28:38 <luckzeh> now can I just put two PBS lights at the start and two at the end and everything magically works? 23:28:58 <luckzeh> (refer to pic) 23:29:01 *** ericg [n=ericg@c-67-183-25-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:29:24 <ericg> anyone willing to give a hand with configuring usset.grf on rc2? 23:29:35 <ericg> i can't make it work :( 23:29:58 <Sacro> ericg: dont you just add it to openttd.cfg? 23:30:02 <luckzeh> I'm no expert, but I heard the nightlies/miniin were much better for grf files 23:30:03 <ericg> i thought so :( 23:30:11 <ericg> luckzeh: i'll try that 23:30:14 <ericg> i just wiped my .cfg 23:30:21 <glx> luckzeh: I'm not a PBS specialist 23:30:21 <ericg> if that doesn't work, i'll get a nightly 23:30:29 <Sacro> i dont play USSet 23:30:36 <Sacro> luckzeh: yeah, that should work 23:30:53 <ericg> i haven't before 23:31:06 <ericg> i was using dbset 23:31:12 <ericg> the uk one never worked for me 23:31:18 <ericg> everything cost a million dollars and went -1 mph 23:32:40 <ericg> hmm, nightly crashes on launch 23:32:42 <luckzeh> mhm 23:32:44 <luckzeh> kinda works 23:32:56 <luckzeh> but I'd be glad if it allowed path clashing under the condition that it just doesnt cause crashes :p 23:33:53 <Sacro> UKRS is fantastic 23:34:01 <Sacro> luckzeh: it should 23:34:09 <ericg> ukrs? 23:34:17 <ericg> that the full uk set? 23:34:33 <luckzeh> well, I had a train wait for an eternity for basically no reason 23:34:46 <luckzeh> because another train elsewhere would share the very very last bit of rail used with it 23:35:03 <ericg> aha 23:35:07 <ericg> nightly works with usset! 23:35:07 <luckzeh> UK works fine here with miniin 23:35:12 <ericg> well, last night's 23:35:14 <ericg> <3 :D 23:36:05 <glx> luckzeh: can you show us your pbs layout ? 23:36:09 <luckzeh> is it a better idea to have basically one single signal block with PBS or to have twenty seperate small ones? will they "cooperate"? 23:36:25 <Sacro> luckzeh: i prefer to have one 23:36:39 <luckzeh> my layout initially was just what I pictured above, without all signals but the initial and last two, those then are PBS 23:36:49 <luckzeh> can of course get a new pic 23:36:57 <glx> one block with a lot of possible path 23:37:03 <luckzeh> what the hell 23:37:20 <luckzeh> my train just went backwards to go somewhere it earlier didnt want to go 23:37:43 <luckzeh> so it did two 90° turns in 1.5 seconds 23:37:47 <luckzeh> I'm scared of PBS. 23:39:01 <Sacro> hehehe, its amazing 23:39:17 <Sacro> i scared people on brianettas server with my usage of it 23:39:24 <glx> welcome in PBS world :) 23:41:52 <ericg> oh whoa electrified track? 23:41:57 <ericg> i haven't updated in a while D: 23:42:26 <Sacro> heh 23:42:29 <ericg> :) 23:44:38 <luckzeh> maybe I should spend those 7 million somehow instead of fiddling with PBS all day 23:45:00 <Sacro> hum, brb 23:45:02 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-187-247.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:45:23 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 23:46:19 *** Nickman87 [n=nickman@dD5778837.access.telenet.be] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 23:48:02 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-213-249-245-95.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:48:23 <luckzeh> does YAPF have any advantages over NPF other than cpu usage? 23:49:08 <Sacro> ooh tis firefox day 23:49:16 <Sacro> luckzeh: yes 23:52:57 <ericg> here's a question 23:53:12 <ericg> i've been playing railroad tycoon a bit 23:53:16 <ericg> and doubletracking is huge 23:53:22 <ericg> matter as much with ttd? 23:55:01 <Sacro> doubletracking? 23:55:49 <ericg> yeah, one track going each direction 23:55:55 <Sacro> ah right 23:55:58 <Sacro> i use that all the time 23:56:03 *** mgla [n=mgla@wikipedia/mgla] has joined #openttd 23:59:11 *** Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #openttd