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00:00:16 *** exe [dgjk@83.2.70.89] has left #openttd [] 00:01:40 <Bjarni> <Stranger> head? 00:01:40 <Bjarni> <Stranger> this sucks ;( 00:01:40 <Bjarni> it's amazing that Sacro didn't comment on this one 00:01:40 <Bjarni> <Stranger> ;/ 00:01:40 <Bjarni> * Sacro likes head >< 00:01:52 <Bjarni> o_O 00:02:01 <Bjarni> what happened to the order of the lines 00:02:34 <Bjarni> it decided to use middle endian or something 00:02:56 <Bjarni> anyway 00:03:00 <Bjarni> goodnight 00:03:04 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x535ca21c.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:03:57 <glx> hmm it loads fine using precompiled windows binary from http://haukinger.dyndns.org/ottd/ 00:06:16 <glx> and the signaling is very very bad 00:08:16 <Frostregen> hmm, won't load even with this patch 00:11:05 <Sacro> why oh why do i think Vista RC1 is pretty 00:13:22 <Sacro> hmm, £210 00:13:33 <Sacro> for ultimate 00:13:50 <Sacro> £136 for ultimate update 00:14:28 <Sacro> so if i can get xp for £74 its cheaper 00:15:32 <Sacro> but then i dont think you can go from 32bit XP to 64bit vista 00:18:23 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 00:19:49 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@ACBC4E5E.ipt.aol.com] has quit [] 00:20:28 <Sacro> oh noes 00:21:26 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 00:28:06 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-186-72.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:36:36 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:42:38 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 00:46:54 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-130-175.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 01:11:29 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:37:07 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76BBE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:39:08 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B753FD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:39:31 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@p54B36AEF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:45:03 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B37E63.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:07:42 *** blackis [~blackis@bebis.csbnet.se] has quit [Quit: blackis] 02:16:31 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-130-175.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 02:16:31 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-130-175.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:16:41 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 02:19:31 <Stranger> what would cause a game sync error? 02:19:35 <Stranger> I mean is it anything that can be fixed? 02:31:22 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:56:15 *** Zahl22 [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-199-230.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 02:56:19 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-195-138.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Zahl22))] 02:56:19 *** Zahl22 is now known as Zahl 02:57:44 *** fusey [fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has quit [Quit: Peace and Protection 4.22] 03:00:37 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176125124.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:02:35 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176125124.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 03:02:58 *** MaulingMonkey_iBook [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 03:03:17 *** MaulingMonkey_iBook [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [] 03:03:31 *** MaulingMonkey_iBook [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 03:09:22 *** MaulingMonkey_iBook [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has left #openttd [] 03:10:33 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176125124.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 03:12:18 <PandaMojo> ~logs 03:12:20 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 03:12:20 <PandaMojo> !logs 03:13:35 <PandaMojo> Stranger: Sync errors arise mainly from bugs in the code which case the client and server to fall out of sync (e.g. disagree on what's happening in the game) 03:14:31 <PandaMojo> If you had a really really crappy internet connection, it could probably arise from a malformed packet which mistakenly succeeded the checksum verification. 03:16:19 <PandaMojo> The solution in that case would be to get a better modem or switch ISPs, depending on the exact cause. 03:16:59 <PandaMojo> As for bugs... well, if you can reproduce them, submitting bug reports is a way to contribute to fixing them if you can't code - and the solution is obvious if you *can* code :) 03:20:07 *** fusey [fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has joined #openttd 03:29:33 <Stranger> hm 03:29:41 <Stranger> well, I did get one crash 03:29:46 <Stranger> but didn't copy the stuff 03:30:00 <Stranger> as far as isp's are concerned, I get my internet through my apartment ppl 03:30:05 <Stranger> so it's not like I can change it 03:30:19 <Stranger> thx though 03:31:17 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 03:31:49 <PandaMojo> Probably not your connection anyways. 03:33:19 <Stranger> it's T3 03:36:25 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:11:42 <PandaMojo> Hmmmph. I knew I should've added more platforms before rating nuking this town :( 04:15:37 <PandaMojo> Plus it's in the middle of a forest, so I can't just add trees :( 04:24:36 <mikk36> PandaMojo, is it a network game ? 04:24:49 <PandaMojo> mikk36: Naw, local 04:24:58 <mikk36> then save it and open in network 04:25:03 <mikk36> and create a new company 04:25:09 <mikk36> and just destroy all the trees 04:25:16 <mikk36> and then recreate with the original company 04:25:18 <PandaMojo> hehehe, naw, that'd be cheating :P 04:25:25 <mikk36> :P 04:27:29 <PandaMojo> Awwright I'm back up to "very poor"!!! 04:28:20 <mikk36> lol 04:29:11 <PandaMojo> silly town AI, when are you going to learn to stop building stub roads :( 04:29:49 <PandaMojo> makes me feel like a gardener, pruning dead branches 04:30:24 <PandaMojo> Normally I'd build bus stops or similar there, but I already have enough :-/ 04:34:30 <PandaMojo> Woohoo second platform added over there *watches the backlog of 6 trains dwindle 04:35:34 <PandaMojo> On the other side of the line.... time to add platforms 4-8! 04:43:33 <mikk36> what sick thing are u building there ? 04:43:47 *** grimrc1 [~grimrc@spc3-stkp5-0-0-cust362.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 04:43:53 <mikk36> hey, grimrc1 :) 04:43:57 <grimrc1> lo 04:44:55 <PandaMojo> mikk36: Just a central terminal 04:45:06 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 04:45:15 <PandaMojo> I also added two 3-length platforms which I think I'll use for shuttle service 04:45:43 <PandaMojo> As is my 6 unload bus stations are beginning to strain 04:46:17 <PandaMojo> This should help me maximize usage of my lower station spread as well 04:46:44 <mikk36> pic of this ? 04:49:39 <PandaMojo> Sure, 1 sec 04:50:29 <mikk36> damn... why won't some cities develop at all ? 04:50:49 <mikk36> it's been in heavy transport for 70 years now and still 2k population 04:51:10 <PandaMojo> 0_o 04:51:31 <PandaMojo> My game's been running 13 years (1930 => 1943) and my main town is already 5k :) 04:51:45 <mikk36> some cities grow nicely, some not :/ 04:52:06 <PandaMojo> I'm very hands on with many cities 04:52:17 <PandaMojo> pruning stupid roads, adding sane ones 04:52:31 <PandaMojo> massive bus => train station setups 04:52:53 <PandaMojo> I'm also using the trunk from SVN, that might be part of it 04:53:02 <mikk36> i dropped developing passenger network since it's just tooo timewasting to connect the cities 04:53:07 <mikk36> and too expensive 04:53:17 <PandaMojo> Bah, passenger systems are where it's at! 04:53:44 <mikk36> i got bored by connecting the cities 04:54:00 <mikk36> although i have now uhm... 10 cities connected 04:54:07 <PandaMojo> I have two main games right now, this 1930 low industry game, and a 1990 no-(initial)-city game 04:54:15 <PandaMojo> err no initial industry 04:54:17 <mikk36> every city has 1 train to every other city 04:54:26 <PandaMojo> Bah, make hub systems! 04:54:47 <mikk36> don't need :) 04:54:55 <mikk36> yet 04:54:56 <mikk36> :P 04:55:04 <PandaMojo> Get like 10 smaller towns all transfering to one central station, then have that haul to the farthest possible point on the map. 04:55:14 <mikk36> hehe... :D 04:55:43 <grimrc1> yeah making a nice network is what it's about; not these point-to-point connections; eventually the gameplay will change so passengers want to go to somewhere particularly (and not just 'anywhere') 04:56:29 <PandaMojo> That comming with cargo packets? 04:57:15 <grimrc1> think so; I don't know much about that patch though 04:57:26 <grimrc1> it'll happen eventually; it'll be optional though 04:57:57 <grimrc1> I can't wait till the economy simulation is redone 04:58:00 <PandaMojo> something to look forward to all the same 04:58:07 <mikk36> grimrc1, i have all the cities connected to 1 big network 04:58:32 <mikk36> not point-to-point railways 04:58:43 <grimrc1> the game's too unbalanced for network play; you've got coal -> power station networks making loads of money; then aeroplanes 04:58:58 <grimrc1> mikk36: should be easy to adapt to cargo packets then 04:59:06 <mikk36> yeh 04:59:18 <mikk36> i always use 1 huge universal network 04:59:19 <grimrc1> have you guys tried playing openttd on the internet? 04:59:32 <mikk36> i play only on the net :P 04:59:47 <mikk36> atm playing in my own server 04:59:53 <mikk36> [EST]Mikk36's OTTD 05:00:00 <Frostregen> where? with brianettas server gone, there is no one left with good settings :/ 05:00:24 <PandaMojo> http://www.tt-forums.net//files/a_panda_transport_company_28th_dec_1943_179.png is my current game 05:00:25 <grimrc1> I don't play on the net anymore because the game isn't balanced well for multiplayer 05:00:36 <mikk36> grimrc1, i don't care about the money 05:00:39 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B774ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:00:47 <mikk36> it's about the beauty of the network :) 05:01:18 <grimrc1> mikk36: yeah I know; but sometimes that's the *only* thing TTD has going for it 05:01:34 <PandaMojo> After the upgrade... I'm about to start cloning my passenger route trains some more :P 05:03:05 <PandaMojo> Methinks I need to upgrade to doubled tracks 05:03:11 <mikk36> yup 05:03:15 <mikk36> thought the same 05:03:18 <grimrc1> cargo packets should reward a good network more than a disjointed one right? 05:03:29 <mikk36> 8 lanes through 1 bottleneck 05:04:25 <mikk36> one more thing 05:04:41 <PandaMojo> Mmm? 05:04:41 <mikk36> why care about the money anyway if u have millions and millions coming in every year ? 05:04:51 <PandaMojo> I don't :P 05:05:08 <grimrc1> if the game was a lot harder, then you would care 05:05:17 <PandaMojo> If I did I would be a lot more agressive in spending it, to maximize my investment :P 05:05:56 <mikk36> i don't see real life much harder actually for big companies 05:06:23 *** HenrikHansen [~ajaj@81-236-17-157-no39.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 05:06:33 <mikk36> for example - our biggest ferry company profited over 500 million last year 05:06:55 <mikk36> and if i'm correct it has 6 ferries 05:06:58 <mikk36> or smth like that 05:07:24 <PandaMojo> Yeah, but those ferries cost a lot more than the few thousand they cost in OTTD 05:07:47 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B753FD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:08:07 <mikk36> so u'd rather wait 10 years to buy 1 new ferry ? 05:08:15 <PandaMojo> Of course not. 05:08:18 <mikk36> :P 05:08:31 <PandaMojo> But that makes OTTD easier than IRL :) 05:08:51 <grimrc1> 10 game years? 05:08:57 <mikk36> yes 05:09:03 <grimrc1> heh - I don't want to wait 10 real years 05:09:18 <mikk36> lol 05:09:26 <grimrc1> in multiplayer, it might be fun to try to buy each other out 05:09:47 <mikk36> how so ? 05:10:07 <PandaMojo> Ahh, it's the other side of the network that's bottlenecking still 05:10:18 <mikk36> :/ 05:10:21 <grimrc1> I don't know; that's the hard part 05:10:40 <mikk36> it's not fun to buy out companies in multiplayer 05:10:46 <mikk36> at least for the other party 05:10:56 <mikk36> when u buy him 05:11:13 <mikk36> cause he receives no money for it :P 05:11:38 <mikk36> it all goes to the central bank 05:13:55 <grimrc1> he could carry on playing I suppose 05:14:49 <mikk36> not really atm 05:14:55 <mikk36> u just lose ur company :P 05:16:37 *** CoRnJuLIOx [~vircuser@202.128.58.251] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:16:52 <mikk36> btw, PandaMojo, u do know that u can delete the center part of ur "Cunnington woods" ? 05:17:09 <PandaMojo> Yep, but as i said, I think i'll use it for shuttle service 05:17:15 *** CoRnJuLIOx [~vircuser@202.128.58.251] has joined #openttd 05:17:26 <mikk36> oh, ok :P 05:17:35 *** CoRnJuLIOx [~vircuser@202.128.58.251] has quit [] 05:20:05 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 05:24:56 *** torm [~adam@dsl-202-72-142-139.wa.westnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:25:56 <PandaMojo> Good thing I don't need signals on the extra exit stretches, I can convert those to bridges :) 05:32:36 *** fusey [fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has quit [Quit: Peace and Protection 4.22] 05:43:16 *** fusey [fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has joined #openttd 05:47:33 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N792P008.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [] 05:50:20 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N804P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 06:26:07 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:28:01 <PandaMojo> Trains 6, 7, and 8 are not lost :( 06:28:35 * PandaMojo bumps up the warning time 06:31:52 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host3-235.pool870.interbusiness.it] has joined #openttd 06:32:04 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3DBA0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:32:07 <Wolf01> hi 06:36:57 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3E08D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:43:43 *** Sionide [~sphinx@86.13.82.163] has joined #openttd 07:07:28 *** jonty-comp [jonty@88-107-55-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 07:10:16 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:34:33 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-083-102-070-124.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 07:48:40 *** torm [~adam@dsl-202-72-142-139.wa.westnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: adios!] 08:12:00 *** Progman [~progman@p5091ED5E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:25:33 <CIA-2> tron * r6353 /trunk/ (21 files in 4 dirs): 08:25:33 <CIA-2> -Codechange: Make DestinationID a typedef of uin16, which is as large as any type of destinataion (StationID, DepotID, WaypointID) it can hold 08:25:33 <CIA-2> DestinationID being a union of these types is just hassle without benefit and cannot be handled correctly everywhere because of local lack of information 08:28:22 *** Progman [~progman@p5091ED5E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:30:25 *** Osai^2 is now known as Osai 08:33:46 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Sleep, I hope.] 08:44:58 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:01:10 *** eQualize1 [~lauri@dyn13-124.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:01:29 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 09:01:34 <CIA-2> Darkvater * r6354 /website/screens.php: [Website] -Fix: Seems smarty and I misunderstood eachother. You can only clear a template-group if you specify so, just giving it the template-name does not cascade the clear_cache to all CACHE-ID's 09:05:21 *** jonty-comp [jonty@88-107-55-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: Au reviour!] 09:09:36 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC576F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:10:07 *** Dred_furst [~Dred.furs@user-5447bbe0.wfd89b.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:19:12 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has joined #openttd 09:19:39 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x535ca21c.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 09:19:41 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 09:22:36 *** HenrikHansen [~ajaj@81-236-17-157-no39.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [] 09:26:32 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn13-124.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 09:32:55 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-162-114.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 09:37:18 <Bjarni> incredible. In a pool with only two options, Born_Acorn managed to screw it up o_O 09:38:06 <Sacro> hehe 09:38:41 <Noldo> Bjarni: it's 50-60 chance 09:40:28 *** e1ko [~31k0@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 09:40:49 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-162-114.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:41:12 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-162-114.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 09:41:42 <PandaMojo> Heh. 09:41:55 <Bjarni> finally I managed to get the screenshots in the right order. That silly forum got no sense of order. I had to edit the post several times because it flipped it between preview and the post 09:43:30 <Bjarni> and finally I had to upload a new version of each file and update the comments to make the flip back into the right order 09:44:13 <Sacro> hmm, if you eat 4 tubes of toothpaste you will dir 09:44:16 <Sacro> *die 09:45:21 <hylje> k 09:45:27 <hylje> so no more toothpaste for dinner? 09:45:37 <Kjetil> crap 09:45:40 *** blackis [~blackis@bebis.csbnet.se] has joined #openttd 09:47:05 <Bjarni> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=487574#487574 <-- anyway new poll. This time I added more text to the options in the poll so now people should be able to figure it out 09:47:31 <XeryusTC> Bjarni read my reply :D 09:47:41 <Darkvater> Bjarni: haha nice going 09:47:59 <grimrc1> Sacro: do you read 'The People' or watch 'Sky News'? 09:48:42 <Sacro> grimrc1: yes...and err... yes 09:49:09 <grimrc1> coz that 4 toothpaste factoid was on Sky News just before, and they were reading The People 09:49:40 <Sacro> hehe 09:49:43 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AFK 09:49:47 <grimrc1> you got it from the paper then? 09:50:21 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: surely it depends on the size of the tube 09:50:51 <XeryusTC> why would you want to eat 4 tubes of toothpaste? 09:51:02 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: true 09:51:06 <Sacro> XeryusTC: to test the theory 09:51:23 <Prof_Frink> XeryusTC: s/eat/feed someone/ ;) 09:51:37 <XeryusTC> :D 09:52:01 <XeryusTC> Prof_Frink: why not just let the victim drink 120 cups of coffee then? :P 09:52:12 <grimrc1> Sacro: is it poisonous due to its fluoride content? 09:52:24 <Sacro> grimrc1: im thinking so 09:53:00 <grimrc1> you know, I've been doing a lot of reading about thyroids, and I heard fluoride used to be used to treat hyperthyroidism because it inhibits your thyroid (I'm hypo not hyper) 09:53:40 <grimrc1> and hypothyroidism is rife 09:53:52 <Sacro> hmm 09:54:23 <XeryusTC> what is a thyroid? 09:54:26 <grimrc1> and hypothyroidism sucks ass 09:55:13 <grimrc1> XeryusTC: it's a gland in your neck that secretes thyroid hormone, which controls how fast nearly every cell in your body works; you get sluggish when hypo and restless when hyper 09:55:50 <grimrc1> fluoride is like iodine I think; I think that's why it inhibits your thyroid (which depends highly on iodine) 09:56:10 <Prof_Frink> grimrc1: so that's how you overclock people? 09:56:16 <grimrc1> Prof_Frink: yeah lol 09:56:41 <grimrc1> I'm going to be doing some overclocking when I get hold of some thyroid hormone (finally!); though my clock is low already 09:56:55 <XeryusTC> :o 09:56:58 <grimrc1> doctor's are assholes about thyroid diseases ;o( 09:57:12 <Bjarni> <XeryusTC> Bjarni read my reply :D <-- yeah, but I wrote poll... clearly a sign of your failure to read :P 09:57:15 * Bjarni hides 09:57:31 <XeryusTC> you better hide :P 09:57:44 <XeryusTC> everyone knows that there is a edit button :P 09:58:45 *** jez [jez@client-82-27-247-101.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 09:58:47 <jez> hi 09:59:43 <grimrc1> lo 10:02:34 <Sacro> lo 10:03:28 <jez> Are any developers working on the patch to customize the face more easily? 10:03:35 <jez> I'd love to see that in the next version of OpenTTD 10:03:47 <Sacro> not afaik 10:04:44 <jez> :-( 10:05:37 <grimrc1> you mean something better than clicking 'new face' again & again? 10:05:53 <Sacro> grimrc1: yeah 10:06:00 <grimrc1> that would be useful 10:06:25 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:06:41 <grimrc1> why do most of the women look like dykes? 10:07:26 <grimrc1> they only have one earring, or none at all! 10:07:34 <jez> latest i've seen on it is this thread: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=24939&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20 10:07:40 <jez> that latest interface screenshot looks excellent 10:08:21 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 10:08:24 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 10:08:25 <grimrc1> are you thinking about working on it jez? 10:08:57 <jez> depends on how easy it is. i can code in C but havent worked on openTTD before 10:10:36 <grimrc1> probably not that easy and not that hard 10:12:37 <grimrc1> I see your post jez; was that face customizer real or faked in photoshop? 10:13:30 <grimrc1> has iNVERTED posted his work to flyspray?: http://bugs.openttd.org 10:14:11 *** e1ko is now known as e1ko_Eating 10:19:15 <jez> not sure 10:19:17 <jez> i didnt make it 10:20:01 <jez> weird 10:20:14 <jez> i have a problem with 0.4.8; it doesn't seem to be automatically placing signals when i drag track out 10:20:39 <Sacro> i see no problem 10:20:52 <jez> am i missing something obvious? 10:21:57 <Sacro> probably :) 10:22:11 <jez> weird 10:22:14 <jez> it's just not doing it 10:22:25 <jez> and the patch is set to place them every4 tiles 10:22:27 <jez> :-(((( 10:23:01 <Turski> MiniIN <3 10:23:03 <Darkvater> jez: then you should probably change the interval 10:25:34 <jez> why>? 10:26:14 <Darkvater> so it places them every 1 tile if you so desire 10:26:22 *** e1ko_Eating [~31k0@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:27:14 <jez> no i dont mind every 4 10:27:21 <jez> it's not even placing them that often, not at all 10:30:42 <CIA-2> tron * r6355 /trunk/ (order_cmd.c station_cmd.c): 10:30:42 <CIA-2> -Fix: Go to hangar orders for aircraft could get spuriously removed when a road or rail depot got deleted (Darkvater and me) 10:30:42 <CIA-2> This bug is probably ages old 10:31:49 <Darkvater> Me myself and Irene 10:34:05 *** Altaran [~Altaran@89.185.232.73] has joined #openttd 10:34:08 <Altaran> hi 10:34:40 <Sacro> heya 10:34:58 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-119-166.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:35:01 <Altaran> i've got problem with my openttd v0.4.8 running on gentoo 10:35:11 *** roboman is now known as roboboy 10:35:15 <Sacro> please state your problem 10:35:20 <Altaran> in year 1986 crash 10:35:37 <Altaran> Error: !String 0x5904 is invalid. Probably because an old version of the .lng file. 10:36:15 <Sacro> ooh, thats narsty 10:36:16 <Altaran> where can i find the newest lng file? 10:36:20 <Sacro> Darkvater: ping 10:36:29 <Sacro> Altaran: there isnt one 10:36:37 <Darkvater> pong 10:36:41 <Altaran> i can do it. 10:36:43 <Altaran> how? 10:36:54 <Sacro> Darkvater: <Altaran> Error: !String 0x5904 is invalid. Probably because an old version of the .lng file. 10:37:08 <Sacro> in 0.4.8 10:37:11 <Darkvater> thank you sacro but I think I can read back 3 lines 10:37:24 <Altaran> lol 10:37:25 <Altaran> :) 10:37:33 <Sacro> Darkvater: ah, i didnt know if you where IRC'ing from a pager 10:37:44 <Darkvater> :) 10:37:47 <Darkvater> Altaran: savegame? 10:38:06 <Altaran> i can share 10:38:07 <Altaran> .. 10:38:14 <Altaran> brb 3mins 10:41:12 <Altaran> http://altaran.no-ip.org/altaran.sav 10:41:18 <Darkvater> config? 10:41:51 <Darkvater> and can you reproduce? which language? what were you doing at the time if the crash only occurs in certain circumstances? 10:41:54 <Altaran> ...org/openttd.cfg 10:42:02 <Altaran> lang CZE 10:42:51 <Altaran> now it crashes when i shaping terrain 10:43:17 <Altaran> map 1024*1024 :D 10:43:18 <Tron_> what's CZE? czech? 10:43:21 <Altaran> yes 10:43:41 <Darkvater> you have mime-types set incorrectly :( 10:43:47 <Altaran> :/ 10:44:26 <Darkvater> he 20KB/s 10:44:55 <Sacro> :| its opening it as a text file 10:45:32 <Darkvater> ugh people stop downloading as well....this is taking ages ;p 10:45:43 <Altaran> lol 10:46:10 <Altaran> 12:46:08.438977 IP 5354EC24.cable.casema.nl.1354 > 192.168.1.2.http: . ack 3964 win 16477 10:46:15 <Altaran> i know about all ;) 10:47:25 <Darkvater> so when does it exactly crash? 10:47:36 <Tron_> hm, 0x5904 is really far off 10:47:43 <Altaran> when i shaping land e.g. 10:48:05 <Tron_> always? 10:48:09 <Altaran> look i run openttd now 10:48:12 <Altaran> not always 10:48:14 <Darkvater> why doesn't it for me now? 10:48:21 <Altaran> load savegame now 10:48:28 <Altaran> you do same 10:48:36 <Altaran> and try something 10:48:46 <Darkvater> I am landscaping but nothing happens 10:49:02 <Altaran> it did sometimes :/ 10:49:21 <Darkvater> Tron_: does it crash for yoU/ 10:49:22 <Darkvater> ? 10:49:34 <Tron_> no 10:49:46 <Altaran> and i changing vehicles 10:49:52 <Altaran> .. 10:49:53 <Darkvater> ok Altaran 10:49:54 <Altaran> sending into depo 10:49:59 <Darkvater> write down EXACTLY 10:50:02 <Darkvater> what you are doing 10:50:05 <Altaran> OMG PLAYING 10:50:06 <Darkvater> which vehicle when 10:50:11 <Altaran> trains 10:50:21 <Altaran> older -> newest 10:50:23 <Altaran> .. 10:50:26 <Darkvater> for god's sake 10:50:33 <Darkvater> we are NOT psychic 10:50:43 <Altaran> im just plaing 10:50:48 <Altaran> and it crashes 10:50:51 <Altaran> now 10:50:57 <Altaran> and 1000 times ago 10:50:57 <Darkvater> oh yes NOW 10:50:59 <Darkvater> I get it 10:51:00 <Darkvater> *sigh* 10:51:02 <jez> ohh, you have to drag the SIGNALS separately 10:51:09 <jez> you cant get new track to be built with signals by default 10:51:18 <Darkvater> Altaran: load the game, press 'pause' immediately 10:51:35 <Altaran> yes 10:51:39 *** zcram [~zcram@88.196.155.96] has joined #openttd 10:51:39 <Darkvater> enable the cheat 'build in pause' 10:51:49 <Darkvater> now tell me exactly what TILE and what tool crashes 10:52:05 <Altaran> eh how? 10:52:11 <Darkvater> ctrl+alt+c 10:52:12 <Altaran> to enable chea? 10:52:38 <Altaran> yes 10:53:15 <Altaran> hey 10:53:22 <Altaran> i can enable this cheat? 10:53:26 <Altaran> cant 10:53:27 <Altaran> .. 10:53:44 <Altaran> ok 10:53:44 <Altaran> .. 10:54:43 <Altaran> now it crash 10:54:52 <Altaran> im destroing something 10:54:53 <Darkvater> ok, good 10:54:55 <Darkvater> what 10:54:57 <Darkvater> and where? 10:55:05 <Altaran> shaping terrain 10:55:09 <Darkvater> WHERE 10:55:13 <Altaran> everywhere 10:55:17 <Altaran> *anywhere 10:55:24 <Altaran> just try it 10:55:26 <Altaran> destroy 10:55:29 <Altaran> shape 10:55:33 <Darkvater> janonkov? 10:55:34 <Altaran> built tranin 10:55:50 <Darkvater> I am serieus I donnu what you are smoking but it doesn't happen 10:55:51 <Altaran> hurka nad vltavou 10:55:52 <Altaran> eg 10:56:00 <Altaran> try all destroy 10:56:04 <Altaran> then stape terain 10:56:17 <Altaran> build train 10:56:22 <Darkvater> nothing 10:56:41 <Altaran> altaran bin # ./openttd Unknown string command character 3 Error: Tried to load non-existing sprite #155. Probable cause: Wrong/missing NewGRFs 10:56:46 <Altaran> look now this error 10:56:59 <Altaran> but its normaly emerged 10:57:08 <Darkvater> that is not the string error 10:57:22 <Altaran> altaran bin # ./openttd Unknown string command character 3 Error: !String 0x5904 is invalid. Probably because an old version of the .lng file. 10:57:29 <Altaran> this is that string error 10:57:34 <Altaran> altaran bin # ./openttd Segmentation fault 10:57:38 <Altaran> another error 10:57:43 <hylje> root? 10:57:44 <hylje> :E 10:57:48 <Altaran> triing 10:57:49 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-119-166.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has left #openttd [Hi, I'm a quit message virus. Please replace your old line with this line and help me take over the world of IRC.] 10:57:51 <Altaran> in root 10:58:37 <Darkvater> I think you have a problem 10:58:46 <Altaran> :D 10:59:48 <Sacro> .me giggles http://crap.kind-of-blue.net/browse/2006/08/27/sandwich.png 10:59:53 * Sacro even 11:00:10 <Darkvater> lol 11:00:15 <grimrc1> seen it on this channel 11:00:30 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:01:05 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't get it :S 11:01:28 <Altaran> so can i do somethink? 11:01:44 <hylje> yep i linked it was it yesterday? 11:01:51 <Altaran> or playing 0.4.6 which doesnt crahes? 11:02:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> you should never play 0.4.6 11:02:16 <Altaran> 0.4.7? 11:02:24 <Altaran> i dont know, but older version 11:02:24 <Darkvater> well it doesn't crash here with 0.4.8 11:02:28 <Sacro> nightlies ftw 11:02:31 <Gonozal_VIII> nightly build 11:03:11 <Sacro> it has just occured to me, that OpenTTD might not be very easy for colourblind people 11:03:28 *** orudge [~orudge@host81-132-175-237.range81-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:03:31 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 11:03:38 <Gonozal_VIII> same with any other game 11:04:02 <grimrc1> they can use funky graphics drivers to changes the colours, or something 11:04:23 <grimrc1> or maybe get a braille terminal and use cacalib 11:05:02 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-162-114.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:05:26 <grimrc1> as seen in "How to do just about anything with a computer" 11:05:27 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-162-114.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:05:46 <Altaran> Darkvater: hm and what can i do?? 11:06:10 <Sacro> oops 11:06:21 *** dp- [~dp@p54B2E215.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:06:40 <Darkvater> Altaran: donnu, try a nightly perhaps. Try without music/sound 11:06:48 <Darkvater> it is really not clear that the crashes are openttd's fault 11:07:01 *** ZzztarLite [~Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:07:16 *** StarLite [~Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:07:52 <Tron_> <Altaran> altaran bin # ./openttd Unknown string command character 3 Error: Tried to load non-existing sprite #155. Probable cause: Wrong/missing NewGRFs <--- This sprite is never used in an unmodified version of OpenTTD 11:07:53 <Gonozal_VIII> first thing i would try is to reinstall the game 11:08:01 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 11:08:12 <Tron_> also the string command sequences are correct in an unmodified version of OpenTTD, too 11:08:25 <grimrc1> Altaran: have you tried running openttd from a terminal to see any non-fatal error messages? 11:08:43 <grimrc1> oh you have 11:10:09 <Darkvater> brb 11:11:01 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N804P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [] 11:11:33 <Sacro> o_O 11:11:44 *** DaleStan__ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 11:12:21 *** jez [jez@client-82-27-247-101.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [] 11:13:20 *** dp-_ [~dp@p54B2EAAD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:14:10 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:14:11 *** DaleStan__ is now known as DaleStan 11:17:35 *** e1ko_Eating [~31k0@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 11:17:41 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:17:50 *** e1ko_Eating is now known as e1ko 11:19:30 *** Altaran [~Altaran@89.185.232.73] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 11:24:45 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@M3103P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 11:32:41 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:39:27 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 11:43:33 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 11:43:38 <MeusH> fhi 11:43:57 <MeusH> hello Darkvater 11:45:23 *** Wolf01|AFK is now known as Wolf01 11:48:10 *** e1ko [~31k0@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:48:54 *** e1ko [~31k0@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 11:49:20 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 11:49:46 <CIA-2> bjarni * r6356 /trunk/ (aircraft_cmd.c roadveh_cmd.c ship_cmd.c train_cmd.c): 11:49:46 <CIA-2> -Fix: FS#263 planes come out of hangar and drive back into hangar 11:49:46 <CIA-2> Now all vehicles are serviced when it's time for service and they are in a depot 11:49:46 <CIA-2> This will avoid the goto depot order from ever showing up when in a depot 11:50:54 *** StarLite [~Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:51:00 *** ZzztarLite [~Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:52:07 <Darkvater> Bjarni: ? 11:52:51 <Bjarni> it's a fix for the bug where the planes left the hangar with goto hangar orders 11:53:09 <Darkvater> Bjarni: r6356, why not fix it in AircraftLeaveHangar ? 11:53:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> oh yeah... that bugged me since the TTO days ;) 11:53:28 <Darkvater> cause that is about the ONLY place this should be, not in a daily or whatever loop 11:54:12 <Bjarni> <Darkvater> Bjarni: r6356, why not fix it in AircraftLeaveHangar ? <-- because now I prevented it from getting the incorrect orders in the first place. Also it's checked last of all the checks 11:54:15 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:54:47 <Bjarni> and if it is only checked when leaving the depot and you click the vehicle, it will tell goto depot until it leaves 11:55:23 <Bjarni> and even though that could be considered a display bug only, it's still a bug 11:55:50 <Darkvater> so what is the purpose of VehicleServiceInDepot(v); in AircraftLeaveHangar? 11:56:34 <Bjarni> if it leaves say 5 days before next service, will still go to pick up passengers and then go back to the hangar 11:56:40 <Bjarni> it's needed to reset the counter 11:57:09 <Bjarni> the need for service counter is only reset when it's time for service when standing inside a depot 11:57:26 <Bjarni> not at every check 11:59:54 <Nigel> Bjarni, so that means, if i have a train in a depot for say 3 years, the last serviced date will be the one when it left the depot?? 12:00:15 <grimrc1> why does StationBuildWndProc() use this? 12:00:17 <grimrc1> case WE_DESTROY: 12:00:17 <grimrc1> if (!WP(w,def_d).close) ResetObjectToPlace(); 12:01:50 <Bjarni> Nigel: yes 12:02:00 <Nigel> brilliant! 12:02:18 <Nigel> thanks so much, that was kinda annoying at times 12:02:27 <grimrc1> two bugs with one shoe? 12:02:34 <Bjarni> that was fixed in revision 998 12:02:39 <Bjarni> old fix 12:03:02 <Bjarni> now I fixed that it would try to turn around and head for the depot even though it got service when leaving 12:03:25 <Nigel> yeah, i think thats what was happening with mine 12:03:31 *** CoRnJuLIOx [~vircuser@202.128.58.251] has joined #openttd 12:03:59 <Sacro> :o no MPU-401 in vista 12:04:07 <Nigel> like new trains that where waiting a couple of 'years' they'd go out, and try and get to another depot 12:04:11 <Sacro> that means no music in TTD 12:04:18 <Nigel> Sacro, MPU-401? 12:04:33 <CoRnJuLIOx> i've got two iron ore mines and a steel mill separated by a large body of water. Is it possible to ship the ore to a dock and have a ship bring it to the mill on another island? 12:04:48 <Sacro> Nigel: MIDI standard 12:04:49 <Nigel> hmmm, i get sound in OpenTTD, last i checked TTD doesn't like vista at all 12:04:56 <Sacro> as is IPV4 over 1394 :( 12:05:28 <Bjarni> CoRnJuLIOx: yes, use the transfer and leave empty option 12:05:51 <CoRnJuLIOx> haha there is hope for me yet! 12:05:59 <Bjarni> in the orders 12:06:24 <Bjarni> some people have complained about bugs in the transfer function though 12:06:32 <Nigel> Sacro, never use 1394 anyway 12:06:37 <Bjarni> but it worked when I tried it 12:06:50 <Darkvater> Bjarni: last question about the commit. Why are you servicing them? They're serviced when they leave the depot 12:06:52 <Nigel> i mean, I never use it 12:06:57 <Bjarni> <Nigel> Sacro, never use 1394 anyway <-- why not? 12:07:00 <Darkvater> got disced :( 12:07:48 <Bjarni> <Darkvater> Bjarni: last question about the commit. Why are you servicing them? They're serviced when they leave the depot <-- if I do not service them, they will get the goto depot orders, which would still be active when serviced when leaving 12:07:50 <CoRnJuLIOx> Bjarni: will any ship do? 12:08:07 <Bjarni> CoRnJuLIOx: take one, that can carry iron ore ;) 12:08:18 <CoRnJuLIOx> i c 12:08:20 <Darkvater> Bjarni: but you give it a return so they don't get the order 12:08:23 <Bjarni> an oil tanker is not the best option 12:08:36 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176125124.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:09:10 <Sacro> Nigel: i do, its quicker 12:09:18 <Sacro> 400MBps 12:09:36 <Nigel> Never used 1394, most likely won'th 12:09:56 <grimrc1> who do you guys connect to with 1394? 12:10:07 <Bjarni> <Darkvater> Bjarni: but you give it a return so they don't get the order <-- if I service them, it will not loop though all the checks each time, but return on one of the first ones. Saves time only to reach this check+service code once each 100 days or whatever the player sets it to 12:10:08 *** DaleStan__ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 12:10:12 *** DaleStan__ is now known as DaleStan 12:10:13 <Sacro> grimrc1: external HDD. other systems 12:10:13 <Bjarni> makes it a bit faster 12:10:30 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@82-43-56-32.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:10:42 <Bjarni> <grimrc1> who do you guys connect to with 1394? <-- computer to computer and computer to HDD 12:11:05 <grimrc1> do people use 1394 for point-to-point only? 12:11:15 <Sacro> grimrc1: no more than with other cables 12:11:24 <grimrc1> 1394 -> ethernet? 12:11:27 <Bjarni> faster than 100 Mbit ethernet and way faster than USB2 for HDDs 12:11:50 <Nigel> grimrc1, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FireWire 12:11:54 <grimrc1> 1394 -> 1Gb ethernet would work 12:11:55 <Sacro> Bjarni: no, firewire is 400, USB2 is 480 12:11:57 <CoRnJuLIOx> Bjarni: when i transfer, do i place a lorry station next to the dock and transfer there? 12:12:02 <Bjarni> <grimrc1> do people use 1394 for point-to-point only? <-- for networking, I think so. For disks... it's possible to daisy chain or even use hubs 12:12:07 <hylje> Sacro: firewire has 800 standard as well 12:12:16 <Sacro> hylje: thats v2 12:13:12 <Bjarni> <Sacro> Bjarni: no, firewire is 400, USB2 is 480 <-- the firewire protocol is way more efficient for storage and large data transfers. It was designed with digital video in mind and is usually around 30% than USB 12:13:21 <Bjarni> USB got one hell of an overhead 12:13:30 <Sacro> Bjarni: yeah, cos its master - slave 12:13:37 <Sacro> whereas firewire isnt 12:14:24 <Bjarni> firewire also got a fixed speed where USB have to be able to switch to lower speed to be able to talk to say the mouse 12:14:31 <Bjarni> or keyboard 12:15:15 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:15:24 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@82-43-56-32.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:15:37 <Nigel> I think both have their purposes, but i don't own any firewire devices atm, and i doubt i will in the upcoming year 12:16:09 <Bjarni> you cheat yourself if you consider using USB for hard disks 12:16:31 <Nigel> i don't even have an Ext HDD 12:16:33 <CoRnJuLIOx> question: when i transfer from the mines, do i place a lorry station next to the dock and transfer there? 12:16:34 <Bjarni> response time is also lower for firewire, specially when several devices are active 12:16:55 <Bjarni> CoRnJuLIOx: yeah, it needs to be a joined station so they share the stored goods 12:17:12 <Bjarni> Nigel: that's a valid excuse for not using firewire ;) 12:17:14 <CoRnJuLIOx> joined station? 12:17:30 <Bjarni> placing two stations next to each other will join them into one 12:17:43 <Nigel> Bjarni, of course it is 12:17:56 * Bjarni wonders how this newbie found this channel 12:18:45 <CoRnJuLIOx> the ship isn't pickin up the goods though 12:18:48 <Nigel> where as like i had to install a firewire card for my old school (for some reason the admins there know BS about computer admin) in the drama class room for the department's video camera 12:20:07 <Nigel> other werid thing was that the paid for some guy to courier it like 500m up a road :P 12:20:43 <Sacro> mmm, LUG meeting in 2.5 hours 12:21:04 <Nigel> now, how much do you get for carring a packet of mail 1 square in openttd? :P 12:21:13 * Sacro hopes they dont try and convert me to Linspire again... 12:21:23 <Nigel> Sacro, haha 12:21:48 <CoRnJuLIOx> LUG = Linux User Group? 12:22:01 <Nigel> CoRnJuLIOx, normally 12:23:34 <Nigel> i think you deserve a cookie! 12:24:42 <CoRnJuLIOx> mmmm....cookie 12:26:19 <Belugas_Gone> comments please : http://devs.openttd.org/~belugas/hidden_removal-4.diff 12:26:25 <Darkvater> Bjarni: removing VehicleServiceInDepot() and only doing a return works just as well 12:26:34 <Belugas_Gone> i think it is nicely cleaned tis time :) 12:28:04 <Sacro> CoRnJuLIOx: yes 12:28:14 <Sacro> Nigel: i cant belive it, i was the most linux'y guy there 12:28:32 <Sacro> apart from another guy, but he is currently running OSX 12:29:17 *** wollviech [~gk@xover.htu.tuwien.ac.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:29:42 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Probably doing something else] 12:30:17 <CoRnJuLIOx> can anyone tell me how to get the iron ore from the lorry station onto the ship? 12:30:36 <Belugas_Gone> I forgot this, of course http://devs.openttd.org/~belugas/currency_cleaning.diff 12:30:36 <Sacro> CoRnJuLIOx: shovel 12:34:03 <Bjarni> <Darkvater> Bjarni: removing VehicleServiceInDepot() and only doing a return works just as well <-- it's slower because then it needs to go though all the tests each time. Now it only have to go though all the tests once every time the vehicle needs service 12:34:22 <Darkvater> not if you put it on top 12:34:34 <Darkvater> or even before a call to checkneedsservice() 12:34:38 <Darkvater> plus it is more correct 12:35:08 <Bjarni> checking if a train is in a depot needs to test each unit in the train... 12:35:13 <CoRnJuLIOx> gah hah! i got it :-) 12:35:21 *** JohnUK89 [~John@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 12:35:24 <Bjarni> not the fastest function you can find 12:35:40 <JohnUK89> Ello all :) 12:35:51 *** DyzDyzPL [dyz@80.51.214.244] has joined #openttd 12:36:07 <DyzDyzPL> hi all 12:36:26 <JohnUK89> DyzDyzPL: ello 12:37:02 <Darkvater> that's true 12:37:53 <Nigel> for someone reason i don't have a openttd.cfg file, at all 12:38:05 <Nigel> *some 12:38:15 <Bjarni> start the game and quit 12:38:19 <Bjarni> then you should have one 12:38:34 <Nigel> Bjarni, doesn't seem to happen 12:38:42 <Bjarni> check write permission 12:38:43 <Nigel> (i'm using MiniIN btw) 12:38:52 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 12:39:05 <Nigel> Bjarni, i personally created an empty openttd.cfg to check that 12:39:22 <Bjarni> then I have no idea 12:39:40 <Bjarni> it worked for everybody else so far 12:39:46 <Bjarni> are you looking in the right dir? 12:39:50 <Nigel> haha, thats werid 12:39:53 * Sacro "aquires" Vista RC1 and WinFLP 12:39:57 <Bjarni> try to search your HD for openttd.cfg :P 12:40:01 <Nigel> it worked when i run it as administrator 12:40:07 <Bjarni> permission issue 12:40:15 <JohnUK89> /me isn't going to be using Vista at all 12:40:21 <JohnUK89> DAMN IRC CLIENT!!! 12:40:26 <JohnUK89> *kicks Uplink* 12:40:27 <JohnUK89> :@ 12:40:42 <Nigel> Bjarni, my logged in user actually has write, i specifically added it 12:40:44 <Sacro> your IRC'ing through Uplink? 12:40:49 <JohnUK89> Yeah lol 12:40:50 <Bjarni> Sacro: Vista is codename for buggy OS with a prettier user interface 12:40:50 <Sacro> as in Introversion 12:40:54 <JohnUK89> Yep 12:41:01 <Wolf01> http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/lorry_road_stop.PNG <- why lorries prefer the one above and only one or two go to the one below? 12:41:07 <Sacro> Bjarni: and Tiger, Leapard... 12:41:11 * Belugas_Gone goes back into real life 12:41:17 <JohnUK89> Leopard* 12:41:21 * Belugas_Gone salutes you all 12:41:27 <Bjarni> Sacro: name the bugs in Tiger 12:41:28 <Nigel> Bjarni, vista ain't really that bad 12:41:49 <JohnUK89> Nigel, yes it is...lol 12:42:03 <Sacro> Bjarni: http://www.macintouch.com/tigerreview/incompatibility.html 12:42:08 <JohnUK89> I know as a FORMER Vista user that it majorly sucks 12:42:09 * Bjarni never managed to crash Tiger 12:43:15 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:43:33 <JohnUK89> I managed to crash Vista many a time, just trying to get multiple monitors working... 12:43:49 <Nigel> JohnUK89, i'm running Vista now 12:43:50 <PandaMojo> Considering it's a Beta I'm not suprised. 12:43:59 <Bjarni> Sacro: some apps needs an update... so what? 12:44:02 <CoRnJuLIOx> anyone here gonna spring for vista? 12:44:05 <JohnUK89> PandaMojo, Release Candidate now 12:44:09 <Nigel> I have been basically since the beta came out 12:44:13 <Sacro> CoRnJuLIOx: moi 12:44:27 <JohnUK89> igel, I used Beta 2, and didn't like it one bit 12:44:31 <PandaMojo> Hmm. 12:44:33 <JohnUK89> igel* 12:44:36 <JohnUK89> Hmm 12:44:37 <CoRnJuLIOx> aren't there gonna be 6 different versions at release? which one are you gettin? 12:44:45 <Nigel> I'm going to be buying Vista 12:44:53 <PandaMojo> Wolf01: Road vehics using YAPF? 12:44:56 <JohnUK89> 'm not buying Vista 12:44:59 <Sacro> CoRnJuLIOx: either Home Pro, or Ultimate 12:45:07 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:45:21 <Wolf01> yes 12:45:23 <CoRnJuLIOx> the pc im on isnt vista-worthy just yet. 12:45:24 * Bjarni decides to take all the software designed for windows 95 and tries it on Vista 12:45:25 <Nigel> CoRnJuLIOx, Home Lite is really a non version, it's mainly for the poorer areas 12:45:44 <Bjarni> hey see, I found something that didn't work correctly without updating the software... vista is buggy 12:45:46 <PandaMojo> Must be something roin-out specific, I don't get that problem at my stations :-/ 12:45:50 <Bjarni> Sacro: that's the level of that list 12:45:52 <CoRnJuLIOx> Home Lite = crippleware? 12:45:55 <JohnUK89> f MS force everything to go to Vista (which seems incredibly likely) I'm going to say "feck off" and stay with XP and Ubuntu 12:46:00 <Nigel> also, the Business Pro i think is going to be Contract only 12:46:19 <Nigel> (can't think of the program name for now) 12:46:26 <hylje> CoRnJuLIOx: everything but ultimate = crippleware 12:46:27 <Sacro> CoRnJuLIOx: no not really 12:46:28 <JohnUK89> Hmm, I have to put a space at the beginning of messages, this thing is cutting them out lol 12:46:41 <Nigel> I'm going with Ultimate though 12:47:00 <CoRnJuLIOx> i'm going with ubuntu.... 12:47:03 <CoRnJuLIOx> and xp 12:47:11 <Nigel> they said that Vista will market for around the same price as XP now 12:47:26 <JohnUK89> For the first time in near on 10 years I won't be running the latest version of Windows when Vista comes out... 12:47:28 <Nigel> I believe they aren't going to market Home Lite in NZ either 12:47:40 <Sacro> CoRnJuLIOx: home basic doesnt have HDTV or DVD Authoring 12:47:47 <JohnUK89> And I don't honestly care, eye candy in the UI means nowt to me now 12:48:46 <Nigel> JohnUK89, i'm not buying it for the eye candy, and i'm not buying it for the "it's new, i'm so cool" i'm going to buy it because it works, and i like certain areas of the functionatity better 12:49:17 <JohnUK89> Nigel, well for me, XP "works" so I'm sticking with that 12:49:18 <Nigel> hopefully they might do Vista Ultimate + Office 07 packs 12:49:18 <Sacro> Nigel: me too, that and DX10, symlnk ability, proper shell 12:49:41 <Nigel> then again, i'll be able to get both at Academic rates still 12:49:44 <JohnUK89> And Ubuntu "works" even more for me :) 12:50:08 <PandaMojo> I didn't upgrade to XP until my CDs scratched out and I found out it had better wireless integration. 12:50:39 <Nigel> I didn't upgrade to XP until i kinda decided that i needed it 12:50:49 <Sacro> Nigel: yeah, me too, hoping to start my Computer Science degree in a month or so 12:50:56 <Sacro> should get Visual Studio too 12:51:18 <grimrc1> Wolf01: what kind of truck stops are they?? 12:51:27 <Nigel> hmm, and i just had an idea, everytime MS release a new OS, i enjoy in a short course, hence academic ID, and hence cheap os 12:51:37 <Nigel> *enroll 12:51:43 <Wolf01> roadstops 12:51:45 <JohnUK89> I upgraded to XP as soon as it came out...I've always had the latest version of Windows, as I said earlier...but as soon as Vista comes out I'll be abandoning that 12:51:49 *** DaleStan__ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 12:51:53 *** DaleStan__ is now known as DaleStan 12:52:18 <Nigel> JohnUK89, and thats your right to decide 12:52:35 <Nigel> Sacro, i'm doing the other side of the field 12:52:43 <Nigel> Network Engineering 12:53:02 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@82-43-56-32.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:53:05 <Wolf01> uhm, why the depot all button of a station send all the map vehicles to a depot instead of only the listed vehicles? 12:53:07 <JohnUK89> Yeah, and I don't plan to tell anyone else not to but it, fully their decisions, and I respect that...despite the fact it means they'll be at DX10 and I'll be stuck with 9 ;-) 12:53:48 <Nigel> JohnUK89, heh 12:54:16 <JohnUK89> But I don't play any DX9 games as it is...they're all DX8 12:54:27 <Nigel> one of the reasons that i like vista, is that i like the extras in IE7 12:54:43 <JohnUK89> ah, I'm a fan of Opera myself 12:54:48 <hylje> opera is win 12:55:06 <Nigel> like, i'm not really an RSS man, but i love the fact that my subscribed feeds are basically everywhere 12:55:34 <Nigel> I can read them in Outlook, i can read them in the sidebar, etc, and i only need to retrieve it once 12:55:36 <Sacro> Nigel: first... sign onto the dole. so the course is free! and you can claim free eyetests and medication and stuff 12:55:45 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:55:52 <Nigel> Sacro, i'm already in my course 12:55:59 <grimrc1> Sacro: seriously!?! 12:56:03 *** DarkSSH [~tfarago@5354EC24.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 12:56:05 *** mode/#openttd [+o DarkSSH] by ChanServ 12:56:09 *** DarkSSH is now known as Darkvater 12:56:10 *** e1ko [~31k0@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:56:11 <Nigel> I graduate next year sometime 12:56:14 <Darkvater> how long have I been out? 12:56:21 <Bjarni> bah. There is a guy on the forum telling that he found a bug in the mass goto depot button in the station list. I tested it and replied that I could not find it and that it appears to work just fine. Then he replies with the additional info that he used a 200 revision old miniIN and not my code >_< 12:56:28 <JohnUK89> Hmm I really spend too much time in IRC 12:56:29 <Darkvater> damn crappy university connection seems the whole thing died 12:56:32 <Bjarni> talk about waste of time 12:56:48 <Bjarni> [14:45] <-- Darkvater has quit (Ping timeout: 480 seconds) 12:57:11 <JohnUK89> Hmm I can't see the time from here...my screen says July 2010...lol 12:57:42 <Darkvater> stupid users 12:57:50 <Nigel> Sacro, thanks for the idea though 12:58:29 <Bjarni> <Darkvater> damn crappy university connection seems the whole thing died <-- I tend to get the same problems with Wifi at uni, so I plug into the free ethernet outlets and get "wired wireless" (those outlets connects to the same network)... then it works great 12:58:36 <Nigel> but yeah, only got a tad more programming to do, then i'm doing RHCT, couple of internal things, MSCA and CCNA then i graduate 12:58:46 <Bjarni> and with higher bandwidth than the hotspots 12:58:54 <Nigel> Bjarni, nice one 12:59:22 <Bjarni> the tradeoff is that I need to bring a cable though 12:59:38 <Nigel> I use the hotspots at starbucks or the train station sometimes, 240kB/sec which ain't bad for NZ i guess 13:00:22 <Nigel> hardly ever more than one person using the hotspot at the time 13:00:26 <hylje> srsly 13:00:40 <Sacro> Nigel: id love to do RHCT, or MSCE, MSCDBA 13:00:41 <hylje> miniin got a patch to increase land value? 13:00:54 <Bjarni> when I plug into the wall at uni, I get 100 mbit/s all the way to the internet. The actual internet connection got higher bandwidth than that 13:00:55 <Nigel> Sacro, move to NZ 13:01:09 <hylje> its fun to have a 10k city where demolishing a single building costs 500 thousand £ 13:01:15 <Nigel> 9k NZD for a 1 year diploma 13:01:32 <Sacro> Nigel: i have been thinking about going to NZ after my degree 13:01:43 <Nigel> A+, Net+, RHCT OR MSCA, CCNA 13:01:47 <Nigel> but i'm doing both 13:01:54 *** DarkSSHClone [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 13:02:09 <Sacro> and thats 9k NZD? 13:02:33 <Nigel> well, the RHCT was an extra 2k i think, but i got a 2k Scholarship 13:03:05 <Darkvater> Bjarni: nice comment by Loop in the poll thread 13:03:16 <Nigel> In fact, i'm still waiting for RHCT to be added to my student loan, i can't do it till it's paid for 13:06:09 <Bjarni> Darkvater: yeah.. it got me thinking if we should use the 3rd option 13:06:31 <Darkvater> I would call it 1.5 ;) 13:06:45 <Bjarni> :) 13:07:13 <Darkvater> I have nothing against that as long as the string stays one colour 13:07:48 <Nigel> Sacro, anyway, 1am, and i need sleep 13:07:50 *** e1ko [~31k0@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 13:09:14 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 13:09:58 <Sacro> Nigel: night mate 13:10:04 <Bjarni> I started to think if we should make string colour codes, so we got say green for not stopping at all (say waypoints and stations used as waypoints), blue for normal stops, some other for full load (long stop), orange for player requested stops and red for breakdowns/crashes 13:10:10 <Bjarni> or something like that 13:10:42 <Bjarni> then it will be really quick to tell what the vehicles are doing 13:11:09 <grimrc1> I like green for go definitely 13:11:14 <grimrc1> and red for stop stop 13:11:34 <Bjarni> red is error = crash or breakdown 13:11:43 <grimrc1> depot stop? 13:12:14 <Bjarni> depot stop should be orange as it's user requested 13:12:31 <grimrc1> you don't want too many confusing colours thouh 13:12:40 <Bjarni> red= the user can't order it to move right away. Orange= stopping on user request and that order can be cancelled 13:12:55 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:12:57 <grimrc1> most important information to convey: whether the vehicle will continue after reaching destination 13:13:30 <Darkvater> what is it with you and colours? 13:13:30 <grimrc1> yeah I like your red, but not your orange 13:13:48 <grimrc1> orange=vehicle will fully stop at destination and green=vehicle will continue orders 13:13:54 <Bjarni> Darkvater: I'm too lazy to read :P 13:14:03 <Darkvater> o_O 13:14:25 <grimrc1> aren't we going to cater for dyslexics? are you racialist or something? 13:14:26 <Bjarni> actually it's to improve a quick overview 13:14:40 <grimrc1> Bjarni: do you prefer my orange or yours? 13:14:43 <Darkvater> I would kill dyslexians if I saw any 13:14:50 <Bjarni> <grimrc1> aren't we going to cater for dyslexics? are you racialist or something? <-- it's Darkvater... Don't ask 13:15:07 <Bjarni> you may not want to know the answer 13:15:08 <JohnUK89> arkvater, a lot of my friends are dyslexic, so shhh :P 13:15:19 <JohnUK89> Darkvater* 13:15:25 <JohnUK89> *kicks Uplink once again* 13:15:25 <Darkvater> good thing I don't know them then 13:15:35 <grimrc1> Bjarni: well we're nearly saying the same thing; I'd included non-user specified full stops as orange 13:15:38 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 13:15:51 <grimrc1> Bjarni: like auto-replace should be orange too 13:16:06 <Bjarni> autoreplace should be orange? 13:16:09 <Bjarni> why? 13:16:32 <grimrc1> Bjarni: because green and red are inappropriate; the vehicle will be stopping fully; although a new one will take over the orders 13:17:12 <Bjarni> why even do anything about autoreplace. You want a new string saying (heading for {DEPOT} for autoreplace"? 13:17:37 <Darkvater> there is no such thing 13:17:38 <grimrc1> what if a vehicle goes for autoreplace and then just sits there because you've run out of money? 13:17:48 <Bjarni> Darkvater: I said NEW string 13:18:00 <Darkvater> if a vehicle needs to go to service it will ENTER the next depot irrespective of its orders 13:18:03 <Bjarni> grimrc1: then it leaves and will return later 13:18:18 <Darkvater> with autoreplace it will continue to service stations, etc, until it enters a depot and gets autoreplaced 13:18:21 <Darkvater> Bjarni: right? 13:18:34 <Bjarni> yeah 13:18:51 <Darkvater> so giving it a colours if #1 futile and #2 confusing 13:18:52 <Bjarni> any failures to do this would be considered bugs 13:19:05 <Darkvater> s/if/is/gi 13:19:12 <Bjarni> I don't want special autoreplace colours 13:19:14 <CoRnJuLIOx> good night all 13:19:17 *** CoRnJuLIOx [~vircuser@202.128.58.251] has quit [Quit: time for bed] 13:19:46 <grimrc1> giving colours is #1 sensible 2# useful 13:19:50 <Bjarni> they might look cool, but it's too much work AND totally unneeded 13:19:55 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:19:57 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 13:20:11 <Bjarni> also the code for such a thing is likely to be messy 13:20:23 <grimrc1> any colours at all? 13:20:41 <Darkvater> grimrc1: in the case of autoreplace it is not as I just shown above 13:20:45 <Bjarni> and/or noteworthy slower than the current vehicle window string drawing 13:21:18 <Bjarni> <grimrc1> any colours at all? <-- no special string or colour for autoreplace. The window don't know if the vehicle is going to be autoreplaced 13:21:27 <Bjarni> it's as simple as that 13:21:30 <grimrc1> ohhh 13:21:37 <Bjarni> and we should not make code to tell that to the window 13:22:00 <grimrc1> yeah I know - you should *bah bumm tschhhhh* 13:22:04 <grimrc1> heh 13:22:12 <grimrc1> just kidding - I agrree 13:23:39 <JohnUK89> You have to agree, Bjarni would kick you if you didn't :P 13:25:23 <JohnUK89> Because Bjarni is evil like that :) 13:26:53 <grimrc1> I've fixed this bug (small patch) - check it out: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/136 13:27:50 *** jonty-comp [~Jonty@88-107-55-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 13:29:43 <Bjarni> <JohnUK89> You have to agree, Bjarni would kick you if you didn't :P <-- actually he had a valid opinion based on how he thought the code worked. He was told how it actually works and then he agrees with me 13:29:50 <Bjarni> I see no hostile actions there 13:29:57 <Bjarni> no need to even talk about kicking people 13:30:33 <Bjarni> bbl 13:30:54 <Darkvater> grimrc1: ? 13:31:09 <Darkvater> grimrc1: you do not set the highlight tile at all 13:31:13 <Darkvater> + else 13:31:13 <Darkvater> + SetTileSelectBigSize(0, 0, 0, 0); 13:31:16 <Darkvater> this is bogus 13:31:25 <grimrc1> oh I've just realised a problem 13:31:51 <grimrc1> no those functions depend on tilehighlight data 13:32:01 <grimrc1> check out the if || || || 13:32:17 <Darkvater> doesn't matter, you still don't set the highlighting 13:33:25 <grimrc1> I just wrote that up quickly coz the patch is self-explanatory; SetTileBigSize does change thd 13:33:58 <grimrc1> the docks one isn't working properly though; I'm looking at it now 13:34:41 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:38:10 *** e1ko [~31k0@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:39:08 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@82-43-56-32.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:48:42 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:52:37 *** JohnUK89 [~John@149.254.200.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:56:37 <grimrc1> I've corrected the last patch. There's a deficiency in the game where _thd.offs.* is not stored when switching station types (for example), unlike most _thd data which has a buffer for new settings - this isn't a problem in openttd at the moment; the bug is corrected though 13:59:14 <grimrc1> the bug being, switching from station building mode (with catchment area on) to another placement mode (such as bulldozer) using keyboard shortcuts leaves the catchment area behind 14:03:23 *** DyzDyzPL [dyz@80.51.214.244] has quit [] 14:03:51 <grimrc1> anyone interested in the bugfix? http://bugs.openttd.org/task/136 14:07:54 *** Dred_furst is now known as Dred_furst^away 14:08:01 *** Dred_furst^away is now known as Dred_furst 14:09:23 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 14:11:32 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:11:35 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:15:00 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:15:00 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 14:16:26 <Tron> i have an arctic map without any refineries here 14:16:34 <Tron> seems to be a bug 14:16:37 <Tron> or very bad luck 14:20:28 <grimrc1> did that 'some/all new refineries spawn without a station component (so cannot dock there)' bug get fixed? probably a while ago 14:26:26 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-162-114.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:29:02 <grimrc1> anybody interested in my patches? I've got 6 on flyspray that seem decent 14:29:39 <hylje> ? 14:30:11 <Darkvater> grimrc1: just a question: why not backup offs? and fix it for all 14:30:23 <Darkvater> I am sure there are some other cases where the thd gets left behind 14:30:29 <grimrc1> Darkvater: because it works without backing up offs 14:30:48 <Darkvater> the SetTileHighLight(0,0,0,0) is really hideous 14:31:36 <grimrc1> that's how the docks gui does it, so I thought I'd clone it 14:32:21 <grimrc1> SetTileSelectBigSize(0, 0, 0, 0) 14:32:30 <Darkvater> that doesn't mean it's good 14:32:37 <Darkvater> cause neither do road and airport do it 14:32:38 <grimrc1> yeah true; I am wondering now 14:32:51 <grimrc1> especially with the volatile offs 14:33:19 <grimrc1> might be racy - they could clear before dirty blocks are cleaned 14:33:28 <grimrc1> that's what went wrong in my 1st patch 14:34:08 <grimrc1> I think it should be removed actually 14:34:58 <grimrc1> coz it's pointless atm 14:38:00 <grimrc1> I'm testing without them both now 14:38:44 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 14:40:36 <grimrc1> yep works without fine 14:40:36 *** Cassac [~cassac@c-186de353.010-13-6f736c3.cust.bredband.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:41:32 *** scia_ [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:43:25 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:43:33 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:43:34 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 14:48:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> <hylje> miniin got a patch to increase land value? <- i think it's the 'Advanced Town Handling' patch 14:48:19 <hylje> k 14:48:22 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:48:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> but i don't know what it's actually doing 14:49:06 <grimrc1> somebody's asked me on the forum if there's a way to get openttd to work as a screensaver in Windows; does the Windows version use SDL? the way I got it to work as a screensaver under Linux was to make a wrapper-script and pass an environment variable to Openttd/SDL to tell it which window to draw on (the virtual root window) and also to apply my patch (on flyspray) to optionally stop openttd GUI spawning; would it be hard 14:49:06 <grimrc1> to make openttd a *Windows* screensaver? 14:49:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> the window version does not use SDL 14:49:58 <Darkvater> it can use SDL but doesn't 14:50:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> but i think you can compile it with SDL 14:50:32 <Darkvater> -WITH_SDL :) 14:50:35 <Darkvater> then -v sdl 14:50:56 <grimrc1> oh cool; but even if you use SDL, I don't see how SDL_WINDOW environment variable would work 14:51:13 <grimrc1> I don't know a lot about Windows screensavers 14:53:12 <grimrc1> I'll tell him about SDL anyway 14:57:34 <hylje> windows screensavers are .exe files 14:57:39 <hylje> or can be 14:57:57 <hylje> so if you make ottd just start up and do stuff, rename it to .scr 14:58:43 <Darkvater> grimrc1: see, that's a much better patch 14:59:26 <grimrc1> true; writing decent patches is only part of my concerning; tracking down the bugs in unfamiliar source is where I'm trying to add value 14:59:53 <Darkvater> the good part of this patch, that all the other settilebigsize(0000) can be removed now 15:00:27 <grimrc1> I posted such a patch moments ago 15:00:44 <grimrc1> on your suggestion 15:00:53 <Darkvater> instead of just adding a kludge-copy to station_gui.c 15:01:07 <Darkvater> for which I can't blame you since you only followed established behaviour of dock-gui 15:01:22 <grimrc1> rail_gui.c - yep; at first I thought it would help (playing around); then I forgot about it 15:01:32 <Darkvater> well rail gui :) 15:01:55 *** JohnUK89 [~John@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 15:02:34 <Darkvater> he, dominik did this 15:04:37 <grimrc1> who's dominik? 15:04:53 <Bjarni> :) 15:04:56 <Bjarni> he left 15:04:59 <Bjarni> ages ago 15:05:07 <grimrc1> why? 15:05:10 <JohnUK89> Ello again :) 15:05:23 <grimrc1> I think I read his bio on the wiki actually 15:07:15 <Bjarni> well 15:07:20 <Bjarni> he coded stuff in 2004 15:07:31 <Bjarni> like drag'n'drop stuff 15:07:33 <Bjarni> and some gui stuff 15:07:58 <Bjarni> <grimrc1> why? <-- ask him, not me :P 15:08:21 <grimrc1> I don't think I'll see him anyway 15:09:49 *** WolfAngel [~wolfangel@83.72.164.148.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has joined #openttd 15:10:38 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 15:11:44 <grimrc1> hah that's funny; this guy joined the forum to post to me screensaver topic; it's not all-bad then 15:15:36 *** JohnUK89 [~John@149.254.200.215] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:25:11 <Bjarni> http://devs.openttd.org/~bjarni/velocity.png <-- comments? 15:25:23 <Bjarni> is this patch worth keep working on? 15:27:11 <Bjarni> anybody here? 15:27:52 <Darkvater> ugh 15:27:59 * Darkvater turns away in disgust 15:28:28 <Bjarni> yeah, it didn't turn out quite like I expected it :( 15:28:50 <Darkvater> the problem is, the title-bar is fubarred and even then the speed doesn't fit 15:28:55 <Bjarni> but I would like to move the speed out of the text string 15:28:56 <Darkvater> (with default window size) 15:29:52 <Bjarni> my idea was kind of killed due to km/h... I was thinking of just the number when I started this 15:30:51 <Bjarni> I don't see anywhere else to place it though 15:30:58 <Bjarni> so I'm open for ideas 15:31:01 <Darkvater> well where would you put it? 15:31:40 <Darkvater> you can also turn off the showing of speed ;) 15:31:58 <Bjarni> I don't want that :P 15:32:15 <Bjarni> hmm 15:32:20 <Bjarni> new idea 15:32:23 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:32:47 <Bjarni> make the window narrower and a bit taller and make all the icons horizontal. That would leave room right of the buttons 15:33:48 <Darkvater> you do not want to change a familiar interface imho 15:33:52 <Darkvater> for such minor things 15:35:19 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 15:35:22 <Bjarni> the thing is that you will not be able to see the speed if the heading for line actually had a station name in it 15:35:32 <Bjarni> instead of no orders 15:37:22 <Darkvater> most of the time you can see the speed 15:37:33 <Darkvater> it is only when the name is long you do not see it 15:40:01 <Bjarni> I guess I will shelve this idea (again) and wait for the need for yet another button 15:40:42 <Bjarni> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=487711#487711 <-- I just got a PM about doing something about this... the question is what should we do about this guy? 15:40:50 <Bjarni> orudge: ping 15:44:50 <Darkvater> you got a PM too? 15:44:53 <Darkvater> sjeesh 15:44:55 <Darkvater> already replied 15:45:55 <CIA-2> bjarni * r6357 /trunk/os/macosx/plistgen.sh: -Cleanup: [OSX] corrected some info for the bundle (info window in finder) 15:46:09 <Bjarni> ok, then I will not take action 15:48:21 <Bjarni> Darkvater: another thing. Are you still working on the path thing? 15:48:52 <Bjarni> because once you are done, I can close a bug report (OSX specific) and solve an issue in the makefile rewrite branch 15:50:07 <Darkvater> yeah, kinda. Hit a small block along the way, needs some rethinking 15:51:41 <Bjarni> I guess that happens to all the good patches :/ 15:52:51 <Bjarni> actually it's two bug reports, that can be closed once you are done 15:58:11 <Bjarni> Darkvater: btw what about the vehicle list GUI cleanup? 15:58:35 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 15:58:51 <Bjarni> who knows. I might work on this one again shortly 15:59:01 <Darkvater> I've almost got it 15:59:04 <Darkvater> hopefully tonight 15:59:09 <Bjarni> :) 15:59:18 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp83-237-234-213.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 15:59:24 <Bjarni> then I might code on it again tonight 16:02:20 <Darkvater> dinner :) 16:02:27 <CIA-2> Darkvater * r6358 /trunk/ottdres.rc: 16:02:27 <CIA-2> -Codechange: update resource file to reflect development tree (0.5.0.0) as file 16:02:27 <CIA-2> version, and added revision number. Also remove SWEDISH resources. 16:02:30 <Darkvater> bummer ottd doesn't have good sprite-artists 16:02:40 <Darkvater> not a single WIP to the small clone-icons 16:02:55 <Darkvater> it could also be a general icon; perhaps the clone-stamp from photoshop :P 16:03:13 <hylje> what do you need done 16:04:11 <Darkvater> hylje: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=27146 << small 16x16 icons, either for all 4 types or a single one that says 'CLONEME' and if possible an icon for 'delete whole train' but that was not the original purpose of the thread 16:04:44 <Darkvater> http://docs.gimp.org/images/toolbox/toolbox-clone.png << hehe 16:11:38 <hylje> so basically 4 clone cursors/icons 16:12:02 <MeusH> Clonetroopers http://www.ffurg.com/casting_call/clones/clones_armbrust_bandobrothers.jpg \o/ 16:12:54 <grimrc1> can use the same clone icon for all vehicle types 16:13:17 <MeusH> Darkvater, IMO it's not about graphic skills, but actually noone has any idea how may the button look like 16:13:20 <hylje> so an abstract one is good? 16:13:53 <grimrc1> I think so 16:14:17 <grimrc1> I've just had a thought - bit silly - a double helix 16:14:36 <MeusH> I like m3henry's animated one based on Darkvater's images 16:14:56 <grimrc1> yeah I do too; has anyone made it run? 16:15:38 <grimrc1> I don't like the way the last image does not smoothly animate back to the first; suppose you'd have to run it in reverse 16:16:11 <grimrc1> MeusH: 'Nowdays there is a strange slowdown in OpenTTD, take a look at dynamite cursor...' 16:16:14 *** Dred_furst [~Dred.furs@user-5447bbe0.wfd89b.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:16:46 <grimrc1> the dynamite used to be faster? 16:17:45 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 16:19:36 *** DaleStan__ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 16:20:49 *** Dred_furst [~Dred.furs@user-5447bbe0.wfd89b.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:21:11 *** Progman [~progman@p5091ED5E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:23:57 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:24:56 *** egladil [~egladil@frukt.csbnet.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:26:05 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:27:11 <Bjarni> that signature... it should be a bit wiser 16:27:16 <hylje> :o 16:27:46 <Bjarni> it just said "You are running on a Mac and using Firefox! 16:27:46 <Bjarni> get TTDPatch now!!" 16:28:27 <Bjarni> get TTDPatch for mac now!! :P 16:28:36 <lws1984> :p indeed 16:28:54 <lws1984> Fine print: "Only valid for Intel-based Macs" 16:29:21 <Bjarni> no fine print at all 16:29:40 <lws1984> well, that's what it SHOULD be 16:29:44 <Bjarni> besides it works in emulators... just not very fast 16:29:58 <Bjarni> and buggy 16:30:39 <Bjarni> funniest emulation error ever: VPC broke bridges, so when vehicles approached, then, they drove below the ramp, reached the water and turned around 16:32:35 <Patrick`_> haha 16:32:39 <Patrick`_> that's pretty funny 16:32:41 *** jonty-comp [~Jonty@88-107-55-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: Au reviour!] 16:33:50 <hylje> :> 16:34:01 <hylje> whats the funniest glitch in ottd history 16:35:03 <Bjarni> that was actually the patch 16:35:07 <Bjarni> or plain TTD 16:35:13 <Bjarni> in an emulator 16:35:24 <Bjarni> and it was pre OTTD days 16:35:44 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:35:54 *** smeding_ [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:35:54 <Bjarni> TTD have always been harder to emulate than most games 16:35:58 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:35:58 <MeusH> grimrc1, yeah 16:36:03 <Bjarni> bbl 16:36:06 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x535ca21c.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:36:14 *** smeding_ is now known as smeding 16:36:16 <MeusH> the animation was showing sparkling dynamite stick 16:36:35 <MeusH> same with signals, in TT they were switching red/green almost like crazy :) 16:36:39 <MeusH> but at least it was visible 16:38:38 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176101088.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:41:19 <MeusH> bye 16:41:25 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176125124.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:42:57 <grimrc1> bye 16:55:37 *** AsterixMG [~chatzilla@p5081B957.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:55:41 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:55:41 <AsterixMG> hi @all 17:01:26 <grimrc1> lo 17:01:44 <hylje> MiniIN crashes when removing railroad with signals: openttd: rail_map.h:21: GetRailTileType: Assertion `IsTileType(t, MP_RAILWAY)' failed. 17:02:07 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:02:23 <grimrc1> in trunk too 17:02:33 <grimrc1> the assertion that is 17:03:25 <grimrc1> bit of a double-edged sword those assertions 17:05:35 *** gaspik [~somebody@adsl-d193.87-197-172.t-com.sk] has joined #openttd 17:06:18 *** gaspik is now known as gaspi 17:07:57 *** gaspi [~somebody@adsl-d193.87-197-172.t-com.sk] has left #openttd [] 17:08:10 *** Dred_furst [~Dred.furs@user-5447bbe0.wfd89b.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:08:24 <Tron> grimrc1: better an assertion is triggered in a well defined place instead of a crash just somewhere 17:09:09 <grimrc1> true; and they're optional too with the right kind of script; hehe 17:09:12 <glx> grimrc1: can you reproduce it easily? 17:09:29 <grimrc1> glx: I just looked in map.h to confirm it's still there 17:09:44 <grimrc1> static inline RailTileType GetRailTileType(TileIndex t) 17:09:44 <grimrc1> { 17:09:44 <grimrc1> assert(IsTileType(t, MP_RAILWAY)); 17:09:45 <glx> I know where it is in the code 17:09:58 <grimrc1> I was just saying pointless things 17:10:00 <glx> I ask what did you do to have it 17:10:08 <grimrc1> that's hylje 17:10:26 <grimrc1> hylje MiniIN crashes when removing railroad with signals: 17:10:34 <hylje> i havent reproduced it yet 17:10:50 <glx> surely a miniin bug then :) 17:11:53 <hylje> reproducable 17:12:13 <AsterixMG> in a nightly? 17:13:23 <hylje> 1. the signal is red and a train is waiting behind it 17:13:29 <hylje> 2. remove the tile with signal 17:13:33 <hylje> 3. ??? 17:13:35 <hylje> 4. assert 17:13:47 <grimrc1> 5. profit 17:20:19 <Patrick`_> bool. 17:20:21 <Patrick`_> crash. 17:21:46 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387E9E0.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:25:26 <AsterixMG> hylje, hmm when i try to reproduce your crash i don't get an assert... 17:26:02 <hylje> its miniin 17:26:05 <hylje> you're in trunk? 17:27:00 <AsterixMG> hylje, yes, i use trunk (well at least nearly trunk as my changes don't affect that part ;) ) 17:27:21 <AsterixMG> when you said its reproducable i thought you tried in trunk 17:27:35 <Wolf01> hylje, i reproduced it in miniIN 17:27:37 <AsterixMG> (or at least a nightly 17:28:20 *** Sionide [~sphinx@86.13.82.163] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:28:55 <Darkvater> hylje: well I don't neccessarily need new cursors, those are what I made, but the small icons look crappy 17:30:18 *** Sionide [~sphinx@86.13.82.163] has joined #openttd 17:38:08 <ln-> greetings from express train 843 or something 17:42:56 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 17:50:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> IP over railway tracks? 17:52:22 <ln-> only gprs unfortunately. 17:52:36 <JohnUK89> Wha? 17:52:45 <JohnUK89> Who's on about my crappy connection >_< 17:54:10 <hylje> ip over railway tracks could be quite neat 17:54:59 <pv2b> in Sweden, we have Internet on our high-speed trains 17:55:00 <JohnUK89> I'm sure they already have it..Virgin trains do, I think 17:55:16 <JohnUK89> pv2b: same in the UK 17:55:29 <pv2b> it's WLAN to the customer, and then satellite with fallback to 3g and gprs as the uplink 17:55:56 <AsterixMG> grmbl, trying to set an uint to -1 is not a good idea, no wonder i get weird results :) 17:56:11 <ln-> can you still afford to eat that month, after using WLAN on train? 17:56:33 <pv2b> ln-: if you get a first-class ticket, it's included in the ticket price, i think 17:56:51 <pv2b> ln-: if you get a second-class ticket, you have to pay additionally. 17:56:57 <pv2b> let me check 17:58:14 <pv2b> 30 minutes = 49 kr, 1 hour = 69 kr, 2 hours = 89 kr, whole trip = 109 kr 17:58:59 <pv2b> 5.26, 7.40, 9.54 and 11.69 euro respectively 17:59:13 <JohnUK89> Bloody ell that's cheap 17:59:44 <hylje> sweden wins 17:59:56 <JohnUK89> Over here I think they charge £1 for 15 minutes on phone boxes for net access, and I would have supposed trains will be more expensive than that 17:59:59 <pv2b> only available on the X 2000 high-speed trains right now, but soon they'll start putting it on our double-decker regional trains 18:00:13 <ln-> not very cheap if you only want to do something low-bandwidth such as idle on irc. :) 18:00:40 <JohnUK89> ln-: but for that you take a Bluetooth dongle and connect to your phone :) 18:00:51 *** blackis [~blackis@bebis.csbnet.se] has quit [Quit: blackis] 18:01:03 <pv2b> JohnUK89: not if you have a real computer and have bluetooth built in 18:01:27 <JohnUK89> pv2b: Not everyone can afford a decent puter :P 18:01:47 <ln-> I pay 1.5 euros per megabyte for this gprs connecction through my phone. 18:02:06 <pv2b> yeah, we have pretty much the same prices over here 18:02:19 <pv2b> 15 kr/MB or 1,61 euro/MB 18:02:46 <hylje> JohnUK89: why not? a decent 'puter lasts longer than a shitty one 18:02:48 <pv2b> though you can get 1 GB/month 3G/GPRS with a special subscription at 18,12 euro/month 18:02:57 <JohnUK89> hylje: because some of us are poor ;-) 18:04:50 <ln-> my operator offers unlimited data through gprs/edge for 120 euros per year (i.e. 10e/month). the speed is max 128k/s. 18:05:05 <JohnUK89> EDGE is rubbish...lol 18:05:13 <pv2b> we have 18:05:18 <JohnUK89> That's what my phone uses, barely faster than dialup 18:05:19 <pv2b> we have real 3G in Sweden :-) 18:05:41 <Brianetta> GNER has it 18:05:44 <ln-> we have real 3G in the biggest towns in Finland. 18:05:50 <Brianetta> but my PSP couldn't connect 18:06:01 <JohnUK89> We have real 3G in the UK, but it's bloody expensive 18:06:13 <JohnUK89> And coverage is useless too 18:06:42 <Brianetta> Mobile 3G or GPRS is too expensive. 18:07:02 <Brianetta> T-Mobile have a good deal, but it's only available with their PCMCIA data card 18:07:05 <Brianetta> which is useless to me 18:07:06 <JohnUK89> Brianetta, GPRS isn't when you have my SIM in your phone ;-) 18:07:31 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 18:07:33 <pv2b> oooh, they actually have a mac-compatible solution now 18:07:34 <pv2b> they didn't last week 18:07:36 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 18:07:41 <pv2b> i might concider getting it now :-) 18:07:44 <pv2b> consider 18:08:02 <JohnUK89> I'm considering nothing but cable after I move :P 18:08:05 * ln- is ircing on a mac 18:08:44 <pv2b> stupid that they *still* don't have a solution so i don't have to use their stupid own "modem" 18:08:55 <Brianetta> pv2b: Who? 18:09:04 <pv2b> they want you to stick a USB modem on your computer just to connect when you could just as well just 3G via their phone 18:09:11 <pv2b> but noooo, then they'd charge you the expensive charge 18:09:12 <pv2b> Brianetta: tele2 18:09:34 <Brianetta> same as with T-Mobile here, except they don't even offer the USB option 18:09:48 <pv2b> they didn't do that here until a few days ago 18:09:54 <JohnUK89> Yeah, PCMCIA only...rediculous 18:09:56 <pv2b> they say the mac drivers will be available tomorrow :-) 18:10:02 <JohnUK89> bbs 18:10:09 <Brianetta> All I want it a Linux solution 18:10:27 <pv2b> but still, silly, WHY carry around more equipment when the equipment i already carry would be adequate if it weren't for their stupid pricing... 18:10:27 <Brianetta> Bluetooth GPRS is fine, but I am not paying for another handset and shelving some data card 18:13:55 *** DaleStan__ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:27:37 <JohnUK89> Back 18:28:26 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has quit [Quit: Kopete 0.11.1 : http://kopete.kde.org] 18:29:02 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 18:30:48 *** Progman [~progman@p5091ED5E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:33:53 *** zcram [~zcram@88.196.155.96] has quit [Quit: And off he went.] 18:35:44 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has joined #openttd 18:36:21 <Ammler> Hi all 18:36:26 <Ammler> !players 18:37:11 <Ammler> Sorry for that !players, was wrong channel 18:39:32 <hylje> you bloody cooper ;) 18:39:41 <Ammler> :) 18:44:16 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-162-114.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:51:49 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:52:25 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c24.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:52:26 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 18:52:55 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has quit [Quit: pakooon!] 18:53:37 <Sacro> im being stalked by a Bjarni 18:53:59 <JohnUK89> Hide from the Bjarni then :) 18:54:19 * Bjarni notice that Sacro is paranoid 18:54:32 <JohnUK89> argh *kicks Uplink for not working on Linux* 18:54:38 <Bjarni> that's likely a natural consequence of living in Hull 18:58:10 *** Noldo [vheino@lame.lut.fi] has joined #openttd 18:58:56 <Wolf01> ChanServ sets fire: +f Sacro 19:05:09 *** Patrick`_ [~pitt2@i-195-137-14-213.freedom2surf.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:09:27 <CIA-2> tron * r6359 /trunk/ (aircraft_gui.c roadveh_gui.c ship_gui.c train_gui.c): -Fix: Do not reset the current cursor action when centering on a depot/hangar (noticed by Neonox) 19:10:50 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 19:10:57 <MeusH> good evening 19:11:13 <Sacro> JohnUK89: hehe 19:11:17 <Sacro> Bjarni: he doesnt live in Hull 19:11:45 <Bjarni> ... 19:11:58 <Bjarni> * Bjarni notice that Sacro is paranoid 19:11:59 <Bjarni> <Bjarni> that's likely a natural consequence of living in Hull 19:12:43 <Sacro> im not paranoid, there ARE people out to get me 19:13:26 <Bjarni> how do you know that? 19:13:31 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387E9E0.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:13:53 *** Guest56 [Gono@N808P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 19:15:04 <Sacro> Bjarni: i can see them...outside 19:15:25 <Sacro> dutch people...everywhere 19:15:51 <Bjarni> so Hull is full of Dutch people? 19:15:55 <Wolf01> and italians? 19:16:01 <Sacro> :o ARRRRRRGHH NOOOES 19:16:37 <JohnUK89> Calm down, the only person out to get you is me, and I'm not scary 19:16:39 <Sacro> nah, Hull is mainly polish, latvian, russian, kosovan, iraqui, chinsese 19:18:05 <JohnUK89> /home/john/Desktop/UplinkAttempt2/uplink-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory 19:18:06 <JohnUK89> <hmm, I have libstdc++6 installed... 19:18:30 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@M3103P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:19:30 * Sacro either wants sex, or networked MiniIN game 19:20:09 <Bjarni> don't play in network games with strange people 19:20:14 <JohnUK89> I just want Uplink to work :P 19:20:15 <Bjarni> they might want to kill you 19:20:24 <Sacro> JohnUK89: bah to Uplink, Defcon FTW 19:20:36 <JohnUK89> lmao 19:20:39 * Sacro decides to HACK THE PLANET 19:20:59 <JohnUK89> I've not seen Defcon 19:21:11 <JohnUK89> (that includes screenshots) 19:21:55 * Sacro is an alpha tester 19:22:04 <JohnUK89> Damn you!! 19:22:12 *** Guest56 is now known as Gonozal_VIII 19:22:14 <JohnUK89> (Fancy sliding me a copy) 19:22:17 <JohnUK89> :P 19:22:21 * Sacro slides JohnUK89 a copy 19:22:37 <JohnUK89> Grr lol 19:23:01 <JohnUK89> Is it as buggy as Uplink and Darwinia were? 19:26:00 <JohnUK89> Sacro? 19:26:09 <JohnUK89> Oh Noes, the Dutch got him... 19:26:17 <Bjarni> is qdb down? 19:27:10 <JohnUK89> Or was it Chris that got him? I dunno... 19:27:14 <JohnUK89> Bjarni: no idea lol 19:27:14 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:27:36 <Sacro> JohnUK89: sorry, was cooking 19:27:45 <JohnUK89> Aah okies 19:27:48 <Sacro> JohnUK89: it was only an alpha, but it seemed quite good 19:27:49 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:27:57 <Bjarni> usually such a question mean "can anybody else get it to connect?" 19:28:10 <Sacro> OH NOES 19:28:17 * Sacro starts fidgeting 19:28:18 <Bjarni> not "are there any qdb admins present to tell me about the status?" 19:28:27 <Sacro> ahh, bash.org is there 19:29:34 <CIA-2> tron * r6360 /trunk/order_cmd.c: -Codechange: Polish RemoveOrderFromAllVehicles() 19:31:23 <JohnUK89> Grr mouse has died 19:31:29 * JohnUK89 puts it on charge 19:32:30 <Sacro> Tron: are you converting the source into polish? 19:33:22 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-199-230.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: YOU! It was you wasn't it!?] 19:39:17 *** blackis [~blackis@bebis.csbnet.se] has joined #openttd 19:42:21 <Sacro> does hertogjan come on IRC 19:42:24 <Sacro> !seen hertogjan 19:42:25 <_42_> Sacro, hertogjan? hmm... I'm trying to remember... maybe... I'm not sure... no. I don't remember hertogjan. 19:43:58 <XeryusTC> hertog jan doesn't IRC, you drink it 19:44:18 <Bjarni> http://www.qdb.us/62611 19:44:24 *** mikl [~mikl@port283.ds1-hl.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:44:25 <Bjarni> yeah, qdb is back online :D 19:44:47 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:45:10 <XeryusTC> Bjarni: did you just type in a random quote here and check if qdb is back online after posting the link here? 19:45:23 <Sacro> Bjarni: you best not have quited me again 19:45:37 <Bjarni> XeryusTC: how did you know? 19:45:40 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:45:54 <XeryusTC> Bjarni: good guess? :) 19:46:08 <Sacro> BJARNI - 65575 - DAMN YOU 19:46:18 <Bjarni> but I found a decent one about a windows user 19:47:03 <Bjarni> I had nothing to do with #65575 19:47:11 <Bjarni> and it's even dull 19:47:29 <Bjarni> so I don't know what you are talking about 19:47:33 <Sacro> [20:48] * JohnUK89 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) <- bet it was him 19:47:51 <Bjarni> most likely 19:47:56 <Bjarni> him doing what? 19:48:21 <Bjarni> stepping on the power cable... looks like it 19:51:25 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has joined #openttd 19:53:52 <Nigel> morning 19:54:03 <Bjarni> morning already? 19:54:15 <Bjarni> damn, I forgot to go to bed again :( 19:54:32 <Bjarni> haven't slept since you were last here 19:54:50 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 19:54:50 <Sacro> !logs 19:57:52 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-83-100-180-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:00:23 <Sacro_> hello Sacro 20:00:28 <Sacro_> please can i have my nick back 20:00:38 <hylje> no 20:02:52 <Sacro_> :o 20:03:48 *** Mucht|zZz is now known as Mucht 20:03:50 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-162-114.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:03:59 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 20:04:14 <Nigel> Bjarni, heh 20:04:20 <Nigel> it's only 8am 20:04:58 <Nigel> i went to sleep around 1ish 20:05:13 *** egladil [~egladil@frukt.csbnet.se] has joined #openttd 20:05:42 *** scia_ [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:16:46 <Nigel> oh well, i'm out, happy ttd'ing and programming ;) 20:17:40 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:18:29 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.146.96] has quit [Quit: And it's off to study I go] 20:21:19 <CIA-2> tron * r6361 /trunk/order_cmd.c: -Fix: When removing orders of a deleted station/depot/waypoint do not skip vehicles without an order list, because they still can have a current order and/or last visited station, which must be inspected 20:26:04 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:27:13 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 20:32:30 *** mjhodgson [~root@82-69-236-166.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:33:56 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:38:37 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-083-102-070-124.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 20:38:57 *** mjhodgson [~root@82-69-236-166.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.11] 20:40:57 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 20:42:16 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:42:49 <CIA-2> richk * r6362 /branches/MiniIN/ (100 files in 5 dirs): [MiniIN]: Sync with trunk r6123:6197. 20:45:31 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]] 20:46:59 <Darkvater> back :) 20:47:01 <Darkvater> hiya egladil 20:48:05 <Bjarni> Darkvater! 20:48:08 <Bjarni> nice to see you 20:48:16 * Darkvater waves 20:48:43 <Bjarni> I see you didn't manage to finish the code cleanup this night 20:48:47 <Bjarni> hmm 20:48:52 <Darkvater> there is still time ^^ 20:48:59 <Bjarni> actually the night is young :P 20:50:01 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 20:52:45 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Whoopsy] 20:57:47 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:03:36 <Wolf01> 'night all 21:03:40 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host3-235.pool870.interbusiness.it] has quit [] 21:04:15 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:04:16 * Brianetta stamps on a Smurf 21:04:56 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 21:05:04 <Bjarni> you shouldn't have done that 21:05:13 <Bjarni> now I have to smurf you 21:05:23 * Bjarni smurfs Brianetta 21:06:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> all your smurf are belong to smurf 21:08:40 *** Brianett1 [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:08:55 <grimrc1> I've been looking at the sprite functions and the blitter functions; I'm wondering about joining 2 sprites together in to a new sprite (a train side-on); is there a prefered way to do this? I see there's a sprite duplication function 21:09:04 *** Brianett1 [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 21:09:08 <MeusH> Gargamel is coming. Hide! :o 21:09:10 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 21:09:47 <Bjarni> grimrc1: stealing my idea to add taillights? 21:10:06 <grimrc1> Bjarni: no; your idea sounds interesting though; taillights?? 21:10:26 <Bjarni> yeah 21:10:32 <Bjarni> I have no idea on how to code it though 21:10:39 <grimrc1> for trucks? 21:10:47 <Bjarni> no, for trains 21:10:59 <grimrc1> oh I don't know what they look like 21:11:13 <Bjarni> make a sprite with 2 pixels and then use the red/black flashing colour 21:11:15 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:11:36 <grimrc1> I'd like to make a sprite for the cursor in the train depot window; ctrl-dragging 21:13:05 <Bjarni> http://home3.inet.tele.dk/henrikka/signaldk/gif_k/12_4_3za.gif 21:13:08 <Bjarni> something like this 21:13:12 <grimrc1> I suppose the only way to do it, is like the blit functions in to a new sprite's array 21:13:30 <grimrc1> oh yeah; that'd be cool 21:13:41 <Bjarni> except it will be too hard to make them flash out of sync like they do in real life 21:13:57 <Darkvater> you can already have taillights 21:14:11 <Darkvater> just use a specially coloured sprite that gets palette animated 21:14:20 <Darkvater> some sets like the USSET I believe use this 21:14:47 <Bjarni> they just need to use on of those 4 colours that's red in 1 out of 4 images and use two different ones and they will flash, but not at the same time 21:15:24 <Bjarni> Darkvater: I know that, but the idea was to add it on top of the sprites instead of redrawing everything 21:15:37 <Bjarni> it just seems mighty hard to do :( 21:15:42 <Darkvater> so where would you put them? 21:15:50 <Darkvater> you would need code for about every sprite to get them correct 21:15:51 <Bjarni> on the rear wagon 21:15:52 <grimrc1> what about hacking grfcodec to modify the TTD images 21:16:03 <Darkvater> just putting them somewhere general at the back is :s 21:16:27 <Darkvater> and then you would need to disable them for newgrf trains, etc. 21:16:56 <Bjarni> I got one huge issue with grf files 21:17:11 <Bjarni> newgrf is not ported to OSX and it's due to the ASM code 21:17:22 <Bjarni> not even MacIntel can handle that code :( 21:17:44 <JohnUK89> Muahaha, one reason to buy a PC :) 21:18:02 <grimrc1> newgrf? 21:18:13 <Kjetil> inline asm ? 21:18:34 <Bjarni> KUDr said to remind him to recode the ASM into C once he finished PBS, but it appears that such an event will be far into the future :( 21:18:50 <Bjarni> no, the sourcecode really contains a 100% ASM file 21:18:58 <Kjetil> why O why 21:19:18 <Bjarni> don't ask 21:19:26 <Bjarni> I don't even know when it was added 21:19:52 <Bjarni> first I tried to port it to PPC and started to look at endian issues... didn't really figure it out, so I postponed it 21:20:26 <Bjarni> next time I tried, the ASM was added and I gave up for good/postponed it until the ASM code is gone 21:20:41 <Darkvater> you don't need the ASM file for grfcodec 21:20:46 <Darkvater> it's used only for grfmerge 21:21:05 <Bjarni> hmm 21:21:07 <Bjarni> nice to know 21:21:13 <CIA-2> richk * r6363 /branches/MiniIN/ (14 files in 3 dirs): [MiniIN]: [SendAlltoDepot]: Removed Send All to Depot patch in preparation for sync with trunk. 21:21:27 <Bjarni> then I should be able to compile grf codec only? 21:21:49 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:22:00 <Darkvater> I think you should be 21:22:02 <Bjarni> good. RichK is removing the patch, that caused that false bug report :D 21:22:08 <Darkvater> although you might get endian problems 21:22:10 <Darkvater> and what not 21:22:38 <Bjarni> those are solveable 21:22:45 <Bjarni> I don't know i386 ASM 21:22:58 <Bjarni> that made porting that file a bit tricky 21:23:25 <Bjarni> hey, we got around 30k downloads of 0.4.8 21:24:15 <AsterixMG> Bjarni, including torrent-downloads or not? 21:26:56 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 21:28:53 *** DaleStan__ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 21:28:58 *** DaleStan__ is now known as DaleStan 21:29:10 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-129-64.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 21:30:58 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:31:31 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 21:32:25 <Bjarni> excluding the torrents 21:32:55 * JohnUK89 is annoyed 21:33:01 <JohnUK89> =( 21:33:34 <Bjarni> with the torrents, it appears to be 32k downloads 21:34:05 <Bjarni> people downloaded 2,64 Gb with the torrent 21:34:07 <Bjarni> s 21:35:25 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:37:49 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 21:38:32 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC576F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:43:57 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:43:59 <Bjarni> yeah, I got grfcodec on my HD :D 21:44:10 <XeryusTC> gratz 21:44:11 <grimrc1> what you planning? 21:44:15 <Bjarni> where to put the diff needed to compile on OSX.... 21:44:27 <Bjarni> <grimrc1> what you planning? <-- nothing 21:44:33 <grimrc1> oh 21:44:37 <Bjarni> getting it compiled was the goal 21:45:48 *** grimrc1 [~grimrc@spc3-stkp5-0-0-cust362.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: bye - bed] 21:46:12 <glx> Bjarni: I'd say give it to DaleStan_ :) 21:46:24 *** wonea [~wonea@wonea.demon.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:47:17 <Bjarni> actually I just learned that the fix I used was only needed in a file not used by grfcodec.... I should just have written "make grfcodec" 21:47:34 <Bjarni> oh well, I partly ported one of the other apps 21:48:33 <Bjarni> grfcodec.o grfcomm.o pcx.o sprites.o pcxsprit.o info.o error.o getopt.o path.o <-- anybody fancy reading the source files for those files and find all endian issues? 21:48:34 <Bjarni> :P 21:48:50 <XeryusTC> you? 21:48:56 <Bjarni> not really 21:49:01 <Bjarni> hence the :P 21:51:11 <Bjarni> there is one issue with grfcodec and me fixing endian issues 21:51:15 <Darkvater> hehe 21:51:17 <Bjarni> it's written in C++ 21:51:33 <Bjarni> I can't understand it well enough to detect endian issues 21:53:30 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-180-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:53:34 <CIA-2> Darkvater * r6364 /trunk/ottdres.rc: -Codechange: forgot to set the $Revision$ keyword on ottdres.rc in r6358. Doh 21:53:58 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-180-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:54:54 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@ACBC4E5E.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 21:56:05 <MeusH> bye 21:56:06 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Quit: bye - quit] 21:57:43 *** WolfAngel [~wolfangel@83.72.164.148.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has quit [Quit: ...] 21:58:41 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:59:32 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.11.1 : http://kopete.kde.org] 22:00:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> <Bjarni> grimrc1: stealing my idea to add taillights? <- the DBSet has them 22:01:42 <Bjarni> not the flashing ones 22:02:36 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-129-64.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Quit: muss wech] 22:04:22 *** Plouj- [~Plouj@207.112.12.235] has joined #openttd 22:05:31 <Bjarni> ok, I got as far as decompressing a grf to see what it contains 22:06:14 <Darkvater> that worked? 22:06:15 <Darkvater> cool 22:07:31 <CIA-2> rubidium * r6365 /trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Cleanup: remove IsGeneratingWorld calls that are either not called or have no effect. 22:08:20 <Born_Acorn> What did it contain? 22:08:28 <Born_Acorn> Magic and fairies? 22:10:18 <Bjarni> actually it contained a whole lot of German trains and I'm not allowed to modify them... I just wanted to see if my compilation worked 22:10:40 <Bjarni> Darkvater: it's not endian safe though 22:11:02 *** Plouj [~Plouj@dsl-207-112-94-107.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:11:03 <Bjarni> somebody needs to look it though for endian issues and only grfcodec works 22:11:19 <Darkvater> I only ever used grfcodec 22:11:37 <Bjarni> it's most likely good enough 22:12:08 <Bjarni> now here comes the tricky part... I have no idea how to encode with newgrf actions... 22:12:38 <Darkvater> why is that tricky? 22:12:52 <Bjarni> I don't know 22:12:58 <Bjarni> reading the documentation 22:13:08 <Darkvater> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=GRFTutorial 22:13:09 <Darkvater> voila 22:13:24 <Bjarni> well 22:13:25 <Darkvater> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=TheFirstVehicle << this one's good 22:13:32 <Bjarni> it's more colourful than the txt file 22:21:00 *** blackis [~blackis@bebis.csbnet.se] has quit [Quit: blackis] 22:21:02 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:21:06 * Bjarni postpones learning this 22:21:18 * Sacro finds a bucket 22:21:24 <CIA-2> rubidium * r6366 /trunk/openttd.c: -Fix (FS#324): when opening a scenario, the date was set 1920 years into the future. 22:21:26 <Bjarni> it's not something to do at this hour 22:25:18 * Sacro cries 22:25:28 <Bjarni> why 22:25:34 * AsterixMG goes to bed now 22:25:35 <Bjarni> is there a hole in the bucket? 22:25:42 <AsterixMG> good night @all 22:25:47 <Bjarni> night AsterixMG 22:25:49 *** AsterixMG [~chatzilla@p5081B957.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 22:27:29 <CIA-2> Darkvater * r6367 /trunk/table/animcursors.h: 22:27:29 <CIA-2> -Codechange: Speed up the animated cursors a bit so they move once in a while 22:27:29 <CIA-2> at least. 22:29:57 <Sacro> Bjarni: no, im planning on kicking it 22:34:08 <Sacro> damnit i love sophie so much 22:34:28 <Bjarni> who is Sophie? 22:34:33 <Bjarni> some 12 year old girl? 22:35:02 <Bjarni> you are living in Hull after all 22:36:00 <Sacro> Bjarni: shes...errr...19 22:36:27 <Bjarni> I got one digit right 22:39:14 <CIA-2> Darkvater * r6368 /trunk/ (dock_gui.c viewport.c): 22:39:14 <CIA-2> -Fix [FS#136]: Station catchment area persists after switching tools. The 22:39:14 <CIA-2> correct fix was to reset the highlight box if any size changes (grimrc) 22:40:16 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 22:41:52 <Sacro> oh noes, a mexicanm 22:51:18 *** DaleStan__ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 22:51:23 *** DaleStan__ is now known as DaleStan 22:57:32 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:58:32 *** JohnUK89_ [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 23:02:51 <CIA-2> Darkvater * r6369 /trunk/economy.c: 23:02:51 <CIA-2> -Fix (r5886): On loading of game in scenario editor the player was given 23:02:51 <CIA-2> the maximum amount of money so everything can be removed for sure. However 23:02:51 <CIA-2> if first rails are removed (or property in general that *gives* money 23:02:51 <CIA-2> when demolished, the player's money would overflow. Thanks for noticing Rubidium. 23:14:41 <CIA-2> bjarni * r6370 /trunk/ (5 files): -Codechange: moved all the remaining setup for PlayerVehWndProc() into WE_CREATE 23:18:36 *** wonea [~wonea@wonea.demon.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:19:51 <CIA-2> richk * r6371 /branches/MiniIN/ (125 files in 11 dirs): 23:19:52 <CIA-2> [MiniIN]: Sync with trunk, r6197:6361. 23:19:52 <CIA-2> This was a difficult sync. Please let me know of any errors found / patches broken by it. 23:20:48 <Sacro> DAMN YOU RICHK 23:21:03 * Sacro runs another svn co and make 23:21:12 <Bjarni> great timing :P 23:21:30 <Sacro> just checked out and half compiled 6370 23:22:09 <JohnUK89_> Sacro: I got Uplink working ^_^ 23:22:30 <Sacro> ahh, but defcon ftw 23:22:43 <Sacro> uplink is no fun under linux, when you have actual tools 23:22:47 <JohnUK89_> lol 23:22:59 <Sacro> HACK THE PLANET!!! 23:23:04 <JohnUK89_> LOL! 23:23:32 <Sacro> what a film... 23:23:52 <JohnUK89_> Now...I have a reputation to build :P 23:25:53 <Sacro> network_client.c:16:25: error: network_gui.h: No such file or directory 23:25:53 <Sacro> network_client.c: In function 'NetworkPacketReceive_PACKET_SERVER_NEED_PASSWORD_command': 23:25:53 <Sacro> network_client.c:432: warning: implicit declaration of function 'ShowNetworkNeedPassword' 23:25:53 <Sacro> make: *** [network_client.o] Error 1 23:27:42 <CIA-2> Darkvater * r6372 /trunk/ (network_gui.c vehicle_gui.c vehicle_gui.h window.h): 23:27:42 <CIA-2> -Codechange: static, unneeded decleration in headers, superfluous header includes 23:27:42 <CIA-2> -Codechange: Unify the Sorting struct both for vehicle-lists and network-lists. 23:27:54 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp83-237-234-213.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:32:28 <Sacro> !seen RichK 23:32:31 <_42_> Sacro, I don't remember seeing RichK. 23:32:38 <lws1984> !seen RickH 23:32:38 <_42_> lws1984, RickH? hmm... I'm trying to remember... maybe... I'm not sure... no. I don't remember RickH. 23:32:51 <lws1984> !seen RichH 23:32:52 <_42_> lws1984, RichH? hmm... I'm trying to remember... maybe... I'm not sure... no. I don't remember RichH. 23:33:09 <Sacro> hush you fool 23:35:15 <Bjarni> !seen ric* 23:35:19 <_42_> Bjarni, I found 8 matches to your query. These are the 5 most recent ones: RichK67, RichK67_wrk, RichK67_wrl, RichK_wrk|away, RichK_wrk|working. RichK67 (~RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com) was last seen quitting #openttd 2 days 14 hours 14 minutes ago (01.09. 09:20) stating "" after spending 11 seconds there. 23:35:33 <Bjarni> use the bot right :P 23:36:53 <Sacro> seen * 23:36:59 * Sacro makes it think 23:37:11 <JohnUK89_> !seen * 23:37:12 <_42_> JohnUK89_, Ouch, your search returned way too many matches. Please refine it. 23:37:16 <JohnUK89_> Heh 23:37:20 * Sacro slaps forehead 23:37:25 <Sacro> !seen !calc 23:37:25 <_42_> Sacro, !calc? hmm... I'm trying to remember... maybe... I'm not sure... no. I don't remember !calc. 23:37:32 <Sacro> !calc /dev/null 23:37:34 <_42_> Sacro: (standard_in) 2: parse error; 23:37:39 <Sacro> hahahahahhaa 23:37:45 <Sacro> !seen /dev/hda 23:37:46 <_42_> Sacro, I don't remember seeing /dev/hda. 23:37:50 <Sacro> grtr 23:37:56 <Sacro> !calc /dev/urandom 23:37:57 <_42_> Sacro: (standard_in) 2: parse error; 23:38:07 <JohnUK89_> !calc rand() 23:38:09 <_42_> JohnUK89_: Runtime error (func=(main), adr=2): Function rand not defined.; 23:38:11 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:38:38 *** Sacro was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [don't abuse the bot. It got limited CPU power] 23:38:46 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-180-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:38:48 <Sacro> :( 23:38:56 <Bjarni> that goes for JohnUK89_ as well 23:38:59 * Sacro drools over TGP 23:39:05 <JohnUK89_> Sorry :P 23:39:29 <Sacro> bah, wheres RichK when you need him 23:39:32 <Bjarni> actually it likely got way less CPU power than you do 23:39:43 <Bjarni> it's an ancient computer AFAIK 23:41:52 <Darkvater> Bjarni: you say * 8-10 window type (use flags in vehicle_gui.h) 23:41:56 <Darkvater> but you only use 8 and 9 23:42:05 <Sacro> hehe pwned 23:42:38 <Darkvater> what's up with it? 23:43:06 * Sacro posts a MiniIN bug 23:44:35 <mikk36> Darkvater, ur game is evil :D 23:44:45 <mikk36> it kept me up til' 9am yesterday 23:45:11 <Darkvater> he, it's not my game :) 23:45:22 <mikk36> u develop it :D 23:45:27 <mikk36> u make it too good 23:45:36 <mikk36> :P 23:45:41 <Sacro> yes, all of the other devs are worthless ;) 23:45:51 <Darkvater> lol 23:46:09 <Sacro> oh, except for RichK, hes the best 23:46:18 <mikk36> hehe 23:47:32 <mikk36> "don't abuse the bot. It got limited CPU power" how few is limited ? 23:48:32 <mikk36> and how much cpu does an irc bot require anyway ? 23:49:01 <mikk36> i mean: i've got a bot running in my channel and it never creates any cpu usage 23:49:12 <mikk36> must be coded very badly to create any 23:49:30 <Sacro> mikk36: im trying to make it use cpu 23:49:40 <CIA-2> richk * r6373 /branches/MiniIN/order_gui.c: 23:49:40 <CIA-2> [MiniIN]: Fix. Corrected widget numbers in order_gui.c. 23:49:40 <CIA-2> Many thanks to Czerwek for pointing this one out. 23:49:56 <Sacro> how can i communicate with him... 23:50:04 <Bjarni> <Darkvater> Bjarni: you say * 8-10 window type (use flags in vehicle_gui.h) <-- reserved room for more types. I know AsterixMG got two in his diff 23:50:43 <Bjarni> only using 2 bits for the 3 current ones is ok, but with the additional 2, it would be a total of 5 ->overflow 23:50:51 <Bjarni> that's the reason for the 3 bit 23:50:59 <Darkvater> it's probably better if you would not reserve in advance 23:51:03 <Darkvater> but addit when you need it 23:51:18 <Bjarni> didn't need it for anything else 23:51:31 <Darkvater> the do not reserve it 23:53:40 <Bjarni> I reserved it because it have to be those 3 bits or the window number generation would be really screwed up for the vehicle window lists 23:53:50 <Bjarni> now it got all bits assigned to something 23:54:06 <Darkvater> you yourself said you only use two bits 23:54:15 <Darkvater> so it only needs to be two bits, not more and not less 23:54:31 <Darkvater> you only assign 8 and 9 and do nothing with 10 23:54:56 <Bjarni> since when did we stop coding with expansion in mind, specially expansions, that are work in progress? 23:55:09 <Darkvater> since when are we adding bogus code? 23:55:16 <Darkvater> you are not using 10 yet you say nothing about it 23:55:22 <Bjarni> it's not bogus 23:55:25 <Darkvater> either drop bit 10, or say it's for future use 23:55:26 <Darkvater> yes it is 23:56:03 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:56:09 <Bjarni> it's reserved because it needs to be used and it needs to be that bit or we will get really messy code 23:56:29 <Darkvater> and why did you not say that? 23:56:47 <Darkvater> 01:49 <@Bjarni> didn't need it for anything else 23:58:42 <Bjarni> your clock is off by 2 minutes 23:59:10 <mikk36> yup :P 23:59:40 <mikk36> [02:51:18] <Bjarni> didn't need it for anything else