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00:08:54 *** mikk36 [mikk36@pc108.host3.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: The pedestrian had no idea which way to run as I ran over him.] 00:13:38 *** mikk36 [mikk36@pc108.host3.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 00:26:06 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-140-192-247.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:27:27 <MeusH> sprite drawing... 2:30 am again ;) 00:28:11 <Sacro> heh, 1:30 here, and im considering doing some sprites 00:28:26 <Bjarni> Sacro: you got one hour 00:28:32 <Sacro> Bjarni: till what? 00:28:41 <Bjarni> until it's 2:30 00:28:49 <Bjarni> damn, it's actually 2:30 here 00:28:54 <Belugas_Gone> Same here , plus a zero : 20:30h 00:28:58 <Belugas_Gone> hahaha! 00:29:00 <jez> hum 00:29:06 <Bjarni> I should be asleep 00:29:06 <jez> just watched the film 'Philadelphia' 00:29:08 <jez> pretty poignant 00:29:10 <jez> :-\ 00:29:17 <Bjarni> poignant? 00:29:45 <jez> yeah 00:29:57 <Bjarni> I don't know that word :( 00:30:01 <jez> dictionary.com 00:30:13 <Bjarni> we had to watch it at school and then write an essay about it and analyse it 00:30:19 <Sacro> jez: was that the one with that actor? 00:30:29 <jez> 'that actor'? lol 00:30:34 <jez> no i dont think so 00:30:37 <Sacro> or was that 4 weddings and a funeral 00:30:45 <Bjarni> it sucked to analyse a movie like that 00:30:49 <jez> it's Tom Hanks, as a lawyer who was probably fired because he was gay and/or has AIDS 00:30:57 <Sacro> ahh yes 00:31:25 <Sacro> bedtime i reckon 00:31:30 <jez> quite qaint, there was a lot of anti-gay feeling there 00:31:32 <jez> 1993 00:31:43 <jez> in this country in 2006 it feels quaint, there is much less anti-gay feeling 00:31:44 <jez> heh 00:32:03 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 00:32:26 <Sacro> night all 00:32:40 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-195-249.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:35:25 *** blackis [~blackis@bebis.csbnet.se] has quit [Quit: blackis] 00:35:48 *** lolman [~admin@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 00:39:05 <jez> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urine 00:39:13 <jez> "To meet Wikipedia's quality standards, this article or section may require cleanup." 00:39:15 <jez> ahahahahahahha 00:40:23 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:42:15 <Bjarni> err 00:42:37 <Bjarni> jez: you should be decent when in this channel 00:42:59 <Bjarni> first you talk about gay people, then you switch to talk about urine like those two are linked in your head 00:43:02 <MeusH> in "Category:Pages needing expert attention" :D 00:44:01 <MeusH> "waters of Shiva" haha :D 00:44:50 *** UserError [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:44:57 <MeusH> I got to dispose my water of Shiva, see you in a minute ;] 00:45:16 <MeusH> goodnight :) 00:45:20 <Bjarni> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assimilation_%28biology%29 <-- biology teachers turned into using borg approach or something? :p 00:45:33 <MeusH> oh, not yet goodnight :D 00:46:47 <Bjarni> if you meant goodnight, then it would be a really long piss :p 00:51:05 <MeusH> http://tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=505632#505632 00:51:07 <MeusH> goodnight :) 00:51:20 <MeusH> disposal, young man, not piss :) 00:51:23 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Quit: bye - quit] 01:05:17 *** Wolfenstiejn [~wolf@h33083.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: I'm gone, bye bye :)] 01:09:38 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-177-110.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 01:15:28 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-139-243.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:15:49 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 01:16:26 <Serriaromeo> item->info.compatible = 01:16:26 <Serriaromeo> strcmp(item->info.server_revision, _openttd_revision) == 0 || 01:16:26 <Serriaromeo> strcmp(item->info.server_revision, NOREV_STRING) == 0; 01:16:51 <glx> and? 01:16:58 <Serriaromeo> am i reading that correct in that if you have a norev in the title bar, you can't join a network game? 01:17:05 <glx> exact 01:17:36 <Serriaromeo> i'm just broswing the code trying to figure it out somewhat. 01:17:38 <Serriaromeo> thanks 01:30:21 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c16.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:30:48 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has joined #openttd 01:35:01 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:39:54 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 01:44:22 *** zeth- [zeth@ti131310a080-9547.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: Well, you know how it is, Mr Fox.] 01:46:32 *** jez [shiny@cpc3-stkn4-0-0-cust630.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 01:47:22 *** lolman [~admin@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 02:13:25 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-218.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 02:14:18 <Belugas_Gone> [21:20] <Serriaromeo> i'm just broswing the code trying to figure it out somewhat. <--- So do i,oftenly ;) 02:18:00 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has joined #openttd 02:21:08 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-218.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:21:26 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-218.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 02:23:04 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:30:47 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77447.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:37:12 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B766D2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:11:46 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]] 03:37:41 *** Progman [~progman@p5091F2C0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:40:57 <CIA-1> belugas * r6777 /trunk/graph_gui.c: -GuiChange: When painting a lowered button on CargoPaymentsRates, displace the content of one pixel to the right and to the bottom. This will make it look like a normal button 03:50:04 *** Progman [~progman@p5091EB28.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 03:55:45 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:09:41 *** Torm [~adam@dsl-202-72-142-139.wa.westnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:09:49 <Torm> good morning all :) 04:11:12 <Torm> random question... i've been doing a fair bit of reading into games programming, and games theory et al, and most of the guides and papers discuss the use of C++ instead of C for games programming... is there any particular reason OpenTTD is using C? 04:15:14 <wjarok> i enjoy men 04:32:45 <DaleStan> Torm: Because ludde did the original port as ASM -> C, not ASM -> C++. 04:38:03 *** Serriaromeo [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:42:12 *** Serriaromeo [~Serriarom@65.77.69.152] has joined #openttd 04:53:18 *** Netsplit oxygen.oftc.net <-> helium.oftc.net quits: Progman, Frostregen, dariius, XeryusTC, Torm, Kjetil, fusey, ThePizzaKing, KUDr_wrk, lws1984, (+14 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 04:54:05 *** Netsplit over, joins: Zavior 04:54:33 *** Netsplit over, joins: Torm, Progman, Zaviori, lws1984, Frostregen, wjarok, Burgundavia, Sionide, fusey, chu_ (+13 more) 05:23:20 <Tron> [03:16:58] <Serriaromeo> am i reading that correct in that if you have a norev in the title bar, you can't join a network game? 05:23:21 <Tron> [03:17:05] <glx> exact 05:23:26 <Tron> incorrect 05:23:40 <Tron> if you have norev you can join _every_ network game 05:24:38 <Serriaromeo> so i could change the code or just remove svn, so it doesnt get a rev then play with a modified client in any network game? 05:24:43 <Serriaromeo> that sounds like a bug 05:25:01 <Serriaromeo> or at least an exploitable issue 05:26:30 <Tron> it is not exploitable in any way 05:27:35 <Tron> if the integrity of a network game would depend on just that little string THAT would be a bug 05:28:47 <Tron> changing this string is really easy, you can even do it with a hex editor in the binary 05:35:49 <Serriaromeo> ok, that makes sense. 05:36:52 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 05:39:39 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3F878.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 05:41:11 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3F878.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:43:06 <Serriaromeo> i'm looking at this sign.c trying to figure out if there is a way to mass delete signs owned by a specfic company or all signs 05:49:23 <Serriaromeo> so would it be possible to have the something like: 05:50:57 <Serriaromeo> for_all_sign(si){ if owner==_current_player;marksigndirty(si);deletesign(si); } 05:51:11 <Serriaromeo> would that do what i'm hoping and just delete the signs by the current player? 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08:25:21 <peter1138> it should work 08:25:35 <peter1138> as long as it's from plain TTD, not patched. 08:25:41 <peter1138> (even then, it may work) 08:26:58 <Steve14> peter1138: i want to import them from the orginal DOS version ;) 08:28:40 <peter1138> put them in your scenario directory 08:28:53 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host38-232-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 08:29:12 <Wolf01> hi 08:30:32 *** chu_ [~chu@chu.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de] has left #openttd [] 08:31:21 *** Mucht|work [~mucht@p57A0DD26.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:44:11 *** jonty-comp [~Jonty@88-107-63-84.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: Going!] 08:46:46 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D6EF.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 09:02:06 <Steve14> uhhh, in what files are the scenarios in the dos versions ?? 09:02:51 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-208-102.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 09:04:41 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 09:05:06 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:07:31 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 09:09:35 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@ti131310a080-6645.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 09:09:53 *** Progman [~progman@p5091EB28.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Progman] 09:10:04 *** Progman [~progman@p5091EB28.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:10:09 *** dp- [~dp@p54B2DFF3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:11:36 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-247-143.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 09:17:07 *** dp-_ [~dp@p54B2D11C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:17:46 <Steve14> oki found them ;) 09:24:07 *** DisassembledDude [~ddude@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:42:04 *** Trenskow [~outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 09:48:41 *** Trenskow [~outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 09:50:15 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-156-50.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:52:56 *** Mucht|work [~mucht@p57A0DD26.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:53:07 *** Mucht|work [~mucht@p57A0DD26.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:01:19 *** Mucht|work [~mucht@p57A0DD26.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:01:28 *** Mucht|work [~mucht@p57A0DD26.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:05:45 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c16.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 10:05:47 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 10:06:06 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:06:50 *** blackis [~blackis@bebis.csbnet.se] has joined #openttd 10:09:42 *** erikv [~erik@86.84.194.205] has joined #openttd 10:10:22 <erikv> hi 10:11:51 <erikv> does openttd run on net/open bsd? 10:11:57 <hylje> i dont see why not 10:16:33 <erikv> why did I ask? it's even in pkgsrc 10:17:09 <Sacro> heh 10:18:00 <erikv> just did a pkg_add SDL, but it has a hell of a lot deps 10:18:08 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 10:18:09 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 10:18:39 <hylje> sdl is quite versatile 10:18:50 <peter1138> s/versatile/bloated/ ? 10:19:46 <hylje> just like s/feature/bug/ 10:21:08 <erikv> much difference btween 0.4.8rc2 and 0.4.8? 10:21:18 <Sacro> svn diff will tell you that :p 10:22:13 <Bjarni> rc2 is a release candidate and we fixed a few bugs before releasing 0.4.8 10:22:26 <Bjarni> so don't use the release candidates now that we got an official release 10:23:20 <erikv> rc2 is in the packages-manager of netbsd as binary 10:23:50 <erikv> 0.4.8 is probably in the next branch, but then I have to compile...on a dual ppro 200 NOT 10:23:53 <Bjarni> then somebody screwed up and added it 10:24:10 <hylje> dual pentium pros? wow 10:24:15 <Bjarni> it was never meant to be added to any package systems and we never did that ourselves 10:24:58 <Sacro> hylje: its just twice as fast as very slow 10:25:25 <Bjarni> we should actually complain about this. They took an unstable source and released it as stable 10:25:35 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:25:43 <Sacro> Bjarni: thats true 10:25:52 <erikv> Sacro: in fact, running netbsd with simple apps as screen, irssi, elinks and firefox makes it a very nice machine for everyday use 10:26:06 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC7CC7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:26:26 <erikv> Bjarni: i'll check out who did add it and let him know he should update 10:27:02 <Sacro> erikv: im quite happy with linux 10:27:10 <erikv> it's OK to add a stable version to pkgsrc? 10:27:19 <Sacro> using screen, xchat, and firefox 10:27:27 <peter1138> yes, but rc2 isn't a release :) 10:28:58 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host38-232-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:30:20 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-165-118.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:30:42 <erikv> actually, in the current branch of pkgsrc 0.4.8 is add, so no more rc's 10:31:08 <Bjarni> it would still be correct to inform him never to add release candidates 10:31:40 <hylje> erikv: elinks AND firefox? ;) 10:31:58 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-156-50.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:33:58 <erikv> jup, elinks on the console, it's pretty fast, also in ftp browsing, and firefox for lousy incompatible sites/graphical sites 10:36:11 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host18-234-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 10:37:58 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176121225.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:40:49 *** erikv [~erik@86.84.194.205] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:43:34 <Wolf01> tonight frost found a bug in catchement areas while looking to the code to highlight it: 10:43:37 <Wolf01> http://saddam.ath.cx/catchment.png 10:43:37 <Wolf01> http://saddam.ath.cx/catchment2.png 10:47:04 <Wolf01> i think is due to non uniform stations, the catchement area is treated like a rectangle with width and height of the entire station 10:49:30 <valhallasw> saddam? 10:49:32 <valhallasw> :O 10:49:54 <Wolf01> ah, i don't know, ask frost 10:50:00 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:50:32 <valhallasw> how big is his spread? :P 10:51:05 <Wolf01> the airport has 8 tiles if i'm not wrong, the bus station 3 tiles 10:51:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> he said 20, but it doesn't really matter... 10:51:27 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:53:00 *** Progman [~progman@p5091EB28.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:53:38 <Wolf01> he did something with a tile loop: http://saddam.ath.cx/catch.png this is with custom radius, so doesn't respect the rel radius, only shows that is possible 10:56:53 <Wolf01> but since there is that catchement bug we stop the development of the highlight patch until is fixed (too much work for 1 person, because frost has to teach me also how to do it) 10:58:20 <peter1138> that is how it works, yes 10:58:59 <peter1138> takes the rectangle and applies the largest catchment radius 10:59:37 <hylje> so if i stationwalk from one corner to another 10:59:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> that is quite exploitable, isn't it? 10:59:43 <hylje> does the station catch stuff from the whole map 11:00:35 <Maedhros> peter1138: gradual loading! 11:00:43 <hylje> peter1138! newloading! 11:00:53 <Maedhros> ...although i should probably make sure it applies to the latest trunk 11:04:41 *** Steve14 [~stephan@p54887E95.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated !] 11:06:03 *** erikv [~erik@86.84.194.205] has joined #openttd 11:06:40 <erikv> got problems compiling 0.4.8 ./configure says something like ( unexpected 11:07:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... don't use configure 11:07:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> just "make" should do fine 11:08:01 <erikv> also on netbsd, ie non-linux systems? 11:08:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's worth a try ;) 11:08:36 <erikv> just make gives a xterm screaming errors :P 11:10:49 <erikv> it just doesn't the job 11:11:09 <erikv> ./configure doesn't work on netbsd, and just make works either 11:12:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> and you suppose we just guess what errors it gives? 11:16:16 *** DisassembledDude [~ddude@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:16:36 <peter1138> try gmake 11:19:31 *** Rysiek [~rysh@gw-tereb-w1.tau.pl] has joined #openttd 11:20:15 <Bjarni> <Wolf01> he did something with a tile loop: http://saddam.ath.cx/catch.png <-- now that looks good, but it can be even better. How about making overlapping tiles highlight with yellow or something? 11:20:58 <Wolf01> so in a station you will see a yellow catchement area? 11:21:22 <Sacro> :o 11:22:11 <Bjarni> no 11:22:28 <Bjarni> so if a tile is in the catchment area of two different stations, it can show up in yellow 11:22:30 <erikv> when i try ./configure it say's 11:22:31 <erikv> $ ./configure 11:22:31 <erikv> ./configure: 6: Syntax error: "(" unexpected 11:23:05 <Bjarni> erikv: configure it meant for the nightly build server (crosscompiling). Try to compile without it 11:23:07 <Wolf01> why not? in a station each tile coverage overlap with other tiles coverage 11:23:13 <Bjarni> just type "make" or "gmake" 11:23:38 <Wolf01> maybe highlight with yellow the coverage of the station you are placing 11:23:55 <Bjarni> Wolf01: I meant if two different stations (two different StationIDs) got the same tile in the catchment area 11:23:59 <Rysiek> [; 11:24:10 <Maedhros> that's better... http://dev.gentoo.org/~maedhros/openttd/gradual_loading-r6777.diff 11:24:31 *** Rysiek [~rysh@gw-tereb-w1.tau.pl] has left #openttd [] 11:24:40 <Wolf01> oh, yes, but if you have 6 statios in that area you will see a checkboard 11:24:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> <Wolf01> why not? in a station each tile coverage overlap with other tiles coverage <- that counts for basically every tilee except the corners 11:25:01 <Wolf01> and now chestnuts! 11:25:19 <erikv> if I try to compile it with make (on a bsd syst!) it starts with spitting out a 'more ./configure' and then gives a lot of warnings 11:25:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> (of the catchment area) 11:25:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> so it is useless 11:25:38 <erikv> warning: using previous script for "%.o" defined here or warning: duplicate script for target "%.o" ignored 11:25:40 <Bjarni> erikv: then use gmake 11:26:30 <erikv> doh.. 11:26:49 <erikv> my bad, I should have known 11:27:46 <erikv> it seems to compile properly now 11:34:36 <Maedhros> less broken version - http://dev.gentoo.org/~maedhros/openttd/gradual_loading-r6777-r1.diff :-/ 11:36:40 *** jez [shield@cpc3-stkn4-0-0-cust630.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 11:37:27 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77447.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 11:39:12 *** Trenskow [~outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 11:48:01 <erikv> it works! except the sound 11:48:15 <erikv> I just get some ugly noise, no game sounds 11:48:31 <erikv> and -s oss or something like that doesn't work 11:48:42 *** egladil [~egladil@frukt.csbnet.se] has joined #openttd 11:49:45 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75EB0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:53:59 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c16.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:54:53 *** ThePizzaKing_ [~thepizzak@211.28.156.50] has joined #openttd 11:55:46 <erikv> well..I can't get the sound working, but the game works! 11:56:18 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-141-200-112.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 12:00:18 <erikv> made a commit to the OS matrix 12:02:02 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-156-50.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:11:39 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-177-110.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 12:20:02 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3EE50.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:24:27 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3F878.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:30:11 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 12:30:25 <MeusH> hello 12:30:30 *** ThePizzaKing_ is now known as ThePizzaKing 12:30:37 <erikv> hi 12:32:08 *** erikv [~erik@86.84.194.205] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:38:30 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 12:50:50 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:50:51 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:56:50 *** jonty-comp [~Jonty@88-107-63-84.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 13:02:10 *** Trenskow [~outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 13:08:20 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:28:45 <CIA-1> miham * r6778 /trunk/lang/ (7 files): (log message trimmed) 13:28:45 <CIA-1> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-10-15 15:27:37 13:28:45 <CIA-1> brazilian_portuguese - 1 changed by tucalipe (1) 13:28:45 <CIA-1> catalan - 15 changed by arnaullv (15) 13:28:45 <CIA-1> estonian - 6 fixed by vermon (6) 13:28:46 <CIA-1> german - 4 fixed by Neonox (4) 13:28:46 <CIA-1> polish - 5 fixed, 2 changed by meush (7) 13:29:25 *** jonty-comp [~Jonty@88-107-63-84.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: Nice Scotty, now beam my clothes up too!] 13:33:36 <Darkvater> !seen bjarni 13:33:39 <_42_> Darkvater, Bjarni (~Bjarni@0x50a46c16.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) was last seen quitting #openttd 1 hour 39 minutes ago (15.10. 11:53) stating "Quit: Leaving" after spending 1 hour 48 minutes there. 13:37:48 <peter1138> hello Darkvater 13:38:24 <Darkvater> eya peta'h 13:39:32 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-149-242.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 13:47:23 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-148-226.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:49:42 <Maedhros> hmm. something very strange has happened to the waypoint selection box... 13:51:12 <Maedhros> clicking a waypoint doesn't necessarily select that one, but sometimes the first one in the box, even when you scroll sideways 13:51:21 <peter1138> yeah 13:51:30 <peter1138> smells of belugas' change 13:51:42 <glx> again :) 13:52:51 <peter1138> need a +3 at rail_gui.c:1063 & :1065 13:53:44 <glx> exact 13:54:14 <glx> :1030 too 13:57:36 *** Trenskow [~outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 14:14:17 *** stavrosg_ [~stavrosg@athedsl-28278.otenet.gr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:18:39 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-213-249-247-143.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:18:40 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-247-143.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:19:06 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 14:20:56 <MeusH> mr Sacro, good afternoon 14:23:32 <Sacro> Hej Mr MeusH 14:24:12 <MeusH> Siemanko :) 14:25:14 <Sacro> ooh, thats a word i dont know 14:30:57 <MeusH> Something like "sup" 14:31:23 <MeusH> Sie-manko - Jak sie masz - How're you - What's up - sup 14:31:56 <Sacro> ah right 14:32:06 <MeusH> read "Sie" like "Shi" in "Shit" 14:32:08 <Sacro> i know "Jak sie masz" 14:32:17 <MeusH> yea :) 14:39:12 *** Trenskow [~outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 14:39:33 <ln-> Najlepiej spozy? przed 14:40:59 <MeusH> LOL 14:41:02 <jez> peter1138: what happened to the livery dialog? 14:41:06 <MeusH> "Best (to eat) before" 14:41:09 <jez> there's no secondary livery colours now? 14:41:47 <glx> only if your grfs don't support them 14:42:38 <jez> and what happened to the patch option that lets you not show any custom liveries? 14:43:00 <glx> still present 14:43:04 <jez> where? 14:43:09 <jez> oph 14:43:11 <jez> yes i see it 14:43:28 <Darkvater> !seen BJarni 14:43:30 <_42_> Darkvater, Bjarni (~Bjarni@0x50a46c16.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) was last seen quitting #openttd 2 hours 49 minutes ago (15.10. 11:53) stating "Quit: Leaving" after spending 1 hour 48 minutes there. 14:43:44 <jez> i still don't understand why anyone would be interested in seeing other companies' custom liveries 14:43:56 <jez> what if they set all their busses to be red and yours are too? then you get confused 14:43:58 <jez> what's the point in that 14:46:37 *** PandaMojo_ [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 14:51:17 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:51:19 *** PandaMojo_ is now known as PandaMojo 14:52:14 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-218.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 14:52:29 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-218.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:02:03 *** PandaMojo_ [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 15:04:25 <Eddi|zuHause> the point is, you are allowed to talk to each other to not let that happen 15:05:27 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:05:30 *** PandaMojo_ is now known as PandaMojo 15:08:14 *** erikv [~erik@86.84.194.205] has joined #openttd 15:08:16 <ln-> would you like to hear my opinion about the whole livery thing? ... ok, i won't say anything. 15:08:29 <Sacro> ln-: good :p 15:14:21 *** PandaMojo_ [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 15:18:19 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Probably doing something else] 15:19:17 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:19:30 *** PandaMojo_ is now known as PandaMojo 15:22:10 <MeusH> good, ln- :) 15:22:22 <MeusH> IMO it was just a nice keep-up with TTDP by Peter 15:22:28 <MeusH> but it's pretty much useless 15:23:08 <peter1138> much like newstations 15:23:36 <hylje> eyecandy? in my OTTD? 15:24:04 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:24:16 *** Steve14 [~stephan@p54887E95.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:25:26 <Eddi|zuHause> it might be that the feature is pretty useless (especially if you, like me, use the DBSet), but somehow i got the feeling that jez is not in a position to complain about it... 15:27:03 *** erikv [~erik@86.84.194.205] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:39:58 <MeusH> yeah, because peter did a good work on it, and jez did not. 15:48:51 *** jonty-comp [jonty@88-107-63-84.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 15:50:38 *** jonty-comp [jonty@88-107-63-84.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [] 15:53:14 *** jonty-comp [Jonty@88-107-63-84.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 15:53:46 *** jonty-comp [Jonty@88-107-63-84.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [] 16:01:39 *** Progman [~progman@p5091EB28.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:02:01 <jez> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=27545&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 16:02:07 <jez> Request testing of v3 of my patch. 16:12:05 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-149-242.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Quit: bin wech....] 16:24:48 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2Eat 16:31:01 <glx> jez: cl = IsWindowWidgetLowered(w, widgno) ? 1 : 0; <-- why are you using a ternary ? 16:31:19 <glx> a bool is already 0 or 1 16:31:46 <jez> MeusH: uhm, i didn't do 'good work on it' because i didn't want the feature 16:31:51 <jez> that's a pointless statement 16:31:59 <MeusH> yeah, that's what I meant 16:32:07 <MeusH> sorry if it sounded bad 16:32:34 <jez> glx: cl is of type int, the func returns bool 16:32:48 <jez> to be safe i used that, i don't know if a bool automatically gets converted to 1 or 0 16:32:53 <glx> it's C there's no problem with that 16:32:53 <jez> (it needs to be the number 1 or 0) 16:33:22 <jez> well what does 'true' evaluate to? is it guaranteed to be 1? that statement is just clearer really 16:34:43 <glx> ok keep it for now :) 16:34:53 <peter1138> yes 16:35:05 <peter1138> but hmm 16:36:35 <peter1138> in context, i'd say the ternary is fine 16:37:16 <peter1138> Widget gtn = w->widget[widgno] 16:37:17 <peter1138> ? 16:37:23 <peter1138> -g+b ;p 16:38:02 <glx> attribute is a StringID 16:38:16 <peter1138> wouldn't btn have to be a pointer? 16:39:07 <peter1138> not to mention DrawStringRightAligned() 16:39:18 <glx> jez: don't forgot the spaces aroung "+" "-" "/" ... 16:39:32 <jez> peter1138: hrm. i dont know why that works. heh 16:39:34 <jez> but it does 16:39:36 <jez> no warnings 16:40:05 <jez> glx: i purposely remove spaces around certain operators for readability. which ones are you referring to? 16:40:48 <glx> I think removing spaces decrease readability 16:40:59 <jez> GfxFillRect(btn.left+1, btn.top+1, btn.right-1, btn.bottom-1, _colour_gradient[btn.color&0xF][2] | PALETTE_MODIFIER_GREYOUT); 16:41:09 <jez> GfxFillRect(btn.left + 1, btn.top + 1, btn.right - 1, btn.bottom - 1, _colour_gradient[btn.color&0xF][2] | PALETTE_MODIFIER_GREYOUT); 16:41:19 <glx> better with spaces 16:41:23 <jez> i prefer the first. the spaces only being between separate arguments makes it clearer to me. 16:41:31 <jez> *shrug*, personal preference 16:41:46 <glx> just follow the style ;) 16:41:55 <jez> :-( 16:41:58 <Eddi|zuHause> i am of the opinion that spaces in arithmetic expressions can reduce readability... 16:42:00 <peter1138> if ((thisval % 16) >= 9) {thisval-=((thisval%16)-8);} 16:42:06 <peter1138> we already had that discussion ;) 16:42:22 <jez> peter1138: yeah, and that formula was fine... 16:42:36 <Eddi|zuHause> usually, i have the most inner level of operands without spaces, and higher levels with spaces 16:42:45 <jez> Eddi|zuHause: precisely 16:42:47 <jez> i try to do that 16:43:15 <jez> and i also tend to miss out spaces for an operator of higher precedence where two are involved without parentheses 16:43:20 <jez> to make it obvious 16:43:25 <jez> eg. a = 1*2 + 3 16:43:46 <Eddi|zuHause> that expression fits my statement ;) 16:43:48 <Darkvater> first of all * is *always* before + 16:43:54 *** Maedhros_ [~jc@host86-142-85-200.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:43:56 <Darkvater> or if you are unsure, just parenthesize it 16:44:11 <jez> i know it is, but it still makes it clearer at a glance 16:44:17 <Eddi|zuHause> the compiler does not care for the spaces, it's for the reader... 16:44:31 <jez> missing out spaces is less cluttered than using parentheses 16:45:14 <jez> glx: attribute is changed... 16:45:48 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-165-118.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Maedhros_))] 16:45:52 *** Maedhros_ is now known as Maedhros 16:46:55 <Sacro> i think aircraft should have a range... 16:47:01 <Eddi|zuHause> speaking of priorities... % should be of the same level as * and /, right? so why the parenthesises in peter1138's example? 16:47:04 <Sacro> and higher and they break down instantly 16:47:07 <Sacro> or just crash... 16:47:45 <jez> Sacro: i believe you already get disasters where planes 'run out of fuel' 16:47:48 <jez> bloody annoying too 16:47:56 <jez> almost as annoying as 'random UFO crash destroys bus' 16:48:38 <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: before you do that, you have to code proper waiting circles and priorities for airports 16:49:11 *** Serriaromeo [~Serriarom@65.77.69.152] has quit [Read error: 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Apart from that, they're fine. :-) 16:51:25 <peter1138> they only run out of fuel if you destroy the airport they were going to 16:51:26 *** Serriaromeo [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has joined #openttd 16:51:27 <jez> why does he get away with checking that in?? 16:51:52 <Eddi|zuHause> because! 16:52:08 <peter1138> being danish is punishment enough 16:53:52 <jez> weird 16:53:52 <jez> http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/10/15/0057203 16:54:04 <jez> Are the post titles meant to look like faux-links? 16:54:50 <peter1138> .. 16:55:03 <peter1138> hmm 16:55:06 <peter1138> weird 16:57:09 <CIA-1> glx * r6779 /trunk/rail_gui.c: -Fix r6631: waypoint selector now correctly shows the current selected waypoint type (thx Maedhros) 17:00:15 *** fusee [fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has joined #openttd 17:01:25 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r6780 /trunk/ (7 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: Remove GPMI leftovers (-b impersonisation of AI in MP). 17:02:32 *** Trenskow [~outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 17:05:25 <jez> argh 17:05:30 <jez> i want a modular AI, damnit 17:05:33 <jez> sigh 17:06:53 *** fusey [fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:07:17 *** fusey [fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has joined #openttd 17:08:45 *** Rens2Eat is now known as Rens2Sea 17:09:47 <peter1138> make one 17:09:56 <Sacro> the joys of oss 17:10:18 *** fusee [fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:10:38 *** Steve14 [~stephan@p54887E95.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:11:46 *** Serriaromeo [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:11:49 <jez> peter1138: correction: i want one built into the trunk 17:12:09 <Eddi|zuHause> make one ;) 17:12:15 <jez> someone already did. 17:13:06 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but that one obviously did not make it to trunk ;) 17:13:06 *** Trenskow [~outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 17:13:28 *** Serriaromeo [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has joined #openttd 17:14:07 * XeryusTC pokes KUDr 17:14:18 <KUDr> ? 17:14:46 <XeryusTC> i get the "train can't find route to depot" when i click the goto-depot button while the train is in a tunnel 17:14:49 <XeryusTC> im using yapf 17:15:12 <KUDr> yes, it can happen 17:15:22 <XeryusTC> it always happens :s 17:15:36 <KUDr> yes, it can happen always :) 17:15:58 <XeryusTC> can't you (try to) fix it? 17:16:04 <XeryusTC> it's quite annoying :( 17:16:05 <glx> probably because tunnels are "magic" 17:16:18 <peter1138> should still be able to find a route 17:17:30 <XeryusTC> it doesnt 17:18:06 <KUDr> yapf_rail.cpp (257): 17:18:06 <KUDr> Trackdir td = first_in_tunnel ? INVALID_TRACKDIR : GetVehicleTrackdir(v); 17:18:07 <KUDr> Trackdir td_rev = last_in_tunnel ? INVALID_TRACKDIR : ReverseTrackdir(GetVehicleTrackdir(last_veh)); 17:18:19 <KUDr> this looks like the reason 17:18:33 <KUDr> somebody didn't know how to handle that 17:18:50 <Eddi|zuHause> how many somebodys touched that file? :p 17:19:03 <KUDr> 1 (i guess) 17:19:20 *** Trenskow [~outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 17:19:53 <Eddi|zuHause> i thought you can easily access the tunnel entrance/exit from such a vehicle 17:20:10 <KUDr> maybe? 17:22:08 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 17:23:29 <XeryusTC> Tron probably knows how to do it :) 17:31:14 <peter1138> v->tile 17:31:22 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AWAY 17:32:52 <peter1138> hmm 17:34:06 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:50:12 <jez> is it me or is gm_tt10.gm in the Windows TTD distribution slightly corrupted?@ 17:50:17 <jez> It doesn't seem to terminate properly. 17:54:20 <ln-> hmmm. some of the files has a very long pause in the end or in the middle. 17:54:40 <jez> only that one seems to cause problems 17:54:52 <jez> it has about a 3 minute silence at the end and a weird piano-only bit 17:55:07 <peter1138> hidden track :D 17:55:12 <jez> i just wonder if the .gm format is quite the same as a .mid 17:55:18 <jez> or whether it should be handled differently 17:55:18 <peter1138> yes 17:55:20 <peter1138> exactly 17:55:22 <ln-> sorry, i meant to say *one* of the files..., not some. 17:55:25 <jez> hmm 17:55:25 <peter1138> ah, well 17:55:27 <peter1138> hmm 17:55:36 <jez> i can't get the original version of ttd windows to install on this box 17:55:39 <peter1138> i've never noticed any issues with them 17:55:42 <jez> so unfortunately i can't tell whether it works on that 17:55:50 <jez> no issues with the MIDIs? 17:55:55 <peter1138> nope 17:56:01 <jez> no few notes out of place anywhere? 17:56:07 <jez> compared to how they sound in DOS? 17:57:26 <jez> 'unable to access transport tycoon deluxe CD!' 17:57:36 <jez> is there a no-cd patch i can use to check the original version out? 17:57:46 <peter1138> yeah, it's called "ttdpatch" 17:58:43 <ln-> hmmm... is there a yes-cd patch i can use with OpenTTD? 17:58:58 <glx> I don't think a nocd is needed to read TTD CD 17:59:15 <jez> i dont have a ttd CD 17:59:16 <jez> hmm 17:59:22 <jez> i wonder what drive it's looking at 17:59:36 <jez> i need to fool it into thinking my install-from folder is the cd 17:59:44 <ln-> you should buy the game instead. 18:00:10 <glx> I used fakecd long time ago for things like that 18:00:53 <ln-> btw, does someone know where i could buy TTD? 18:01:03 <glx> ebay? 18:01:24 <ln-> let's see.. 18:01:36 <jez> glx: have you got the windows original version of TTD working without the physical cd? 18:02:15 <glx> hmm yes (I don't have TTD cd) 18:03:07 <glx> anyway the original windows TTD doesn't work with XP 18:03:17 <jez> not at all? 18:03:26 <jez> what problem do you have getting it to work? 18:03:27 <glx> you need ttdpatch to fix it 18:04:16 <jez> i'd like to get the original working to see if the MIDIs work better in it 18:04:24 <jez> if they do it's probably because it uses a built-in synthesizer 18:04:35 <jez> looking at the config dialog before the game runs it looks like it might have that option 18:04:49 <glx> can't remember 18:08:11 <jez> where can i find ttdpatch for ttd windows original? could you send it perhaps? 18:09:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i believe it is safe to assume that you find ttdpatch on ttdpatch.net ;) 18:09:06 <peter1138> www.ttdpatch.net 18:09:54 <ln-> are we giving advice on how to run warezed games here? 18:11:12 <peter1138> no, it's advice on how to run ttd under windows xp 18:11:20 <peter1138> *obviously* 18:12:57 <hylje> or how to run backups 18:15:29 <ln-> i would like to remind all the finnish citizens and people living in finland that participating such a discussion is illegal. 18:15:35 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:20:32 <Zavior> Oh my 18:27:00 *** Trenskow [~outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 18:29:02 <Eddi|zuHause> you finnish have strange laws... 18:29:08 <hylje> sure 18:32:45 *** Trenskow [~outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 18:40:13 *** mikk36[EST] is now known as mikk36 18:46:10 *** mikk36 [~mikk35@pc174.host3.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: The pedestrian had no idea which way to run as I ran over him.] 18:54:38 *** mikk36 [~mikk35@pc174.host3.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 19:01:48 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r6781 /trunk/table/town_land.h: - Fix (r5926): Some house introduction dates were incorrectly adjusted in the move to 32bit dates. 19:05:26 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-213-249-247-143.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 19:05:26 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-247-143.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:08:14 <jez> DaleStan: what is that comment meant to mean? 19:09:39 <DaleStan> jez: Loop Asked if that patch would be tested. That seems like a silly question to ask, since the only person who can cause Loop to test that patch (or any patch) is Loop. 19:09:59 <jez> oh heh 19:12:35 *** Trenskow [~outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 19:24:06 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]] 19:27:10 *** e1ko [~L@a02-0432b.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 19:31:28 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-151-138.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:37:35 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-142-85-200.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:49:46 *** Wolf01|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 19:55:51 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:59:16 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:00:08 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 20:02:28 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D6EF.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:08:12 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2EveOnline 20:20:35 *** mikk36[EST] [~mikk35@pc142.host3.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 20:25:46 *** mikk36 [~mikk35@pc174.host3.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:37:22 *** fusee [fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has joined #openttd 20:42:53 *** fusey [fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:42:57 *** fusey [fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has joined #openttd 20:46:15 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r6782 /trunk/train_cmd.c: - Fix (r3947): Invalidate depot & vehicle windows when reversing a single engine with ctrl-click. 20:49:58 *** fusee [fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:00:14 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish] 21:06:13 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176121225.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 21:09:28 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-247-143.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:09:28 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-213-249-247-143.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:13:46 <peter1138> nini 21:21:49 <MeusH> what do you mean by ctrl-click? What do you mean by "reversing"? 21:22:02 <Sacro> MeusH: ctrl-click 21:22:09 <Sacro> = hold ctrl and click 21:22:10 <Sacro> :p 21:22:12 <MeusH> well 21:22:20 <MeusH> I mean, when, where? 21:22:21 <Sacro> and it reverses the direction of a train 21:22:26 <glx> in depot 21:22:28 <Sacro> oh, inside a depot 21:22:33 <Eddi|zuHause> not of a train, of the engine 21:22:52 <MeusH> Sacro: where shall I click it to reverse the direction? 21:22:56 <MeusH> glx, thanks, I'll try it out 21:23:20 <Sacro> MeusH: on the front train 21:25:26 <MeusH> mmm, nice feature 21:25:53 <glx> it's an old one :) 21:26:10 <MeusH> ctrl+click in a short wagon moves it to the rear (and to the front, each second ctrlclick) - is it intended, or a bug? 21:26:23 *** Rens2EveOnline is now known as Rens2Sea 21:26:27 <glx> a known bug I'd say 21:27:04 <MeusH> okies 21:27:40 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Whoopsy] 21:30:57 <jez> Is anyone aware of software that'll let you capture wave output from a running program (or just all running programs) in Windows? 21:31:30 <Sacro> sndrec32! 21:31:31 <Eddi|zuHause> any recording program can do that 21:31:38 <jez> Eddi|zuHause: not so. 21:31:45 <jez> Eddi|zuHause: i have cool edit 2000 and can only record from my mic 21:31:53 <Eddi|zuHause> you just have to unmute that sound source in the settings 21:32:03 <jez> the sound source isn't there 21:32:11 <Eddi|zuHause> in the windows sound settings 21:32:27 <jez> i only have CD player, line in, and microphone 21:32:52 <Eddi|zuHause> then click on "advanced" and select more to show 21:33:34 <jez> 'mono mix', 'stereo mix', 'aux' 'SPDIF' 21:34:01 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, mix should do it... 21:34:06 <Sacro> stereo mix 21:34:12 <jez> but then i dont know how to select that source from a recording program 21:34:20 <jez> oh i see 21:34:23 <jez> there's a 'select' checkbox 21:34:29 <jez> that's badly implemented, it should be radio buttons 21:35:28 <Eddi|zuHause> but technically, it should list something like "wave" also 21:35:51 <jez> hmm 21:35:54 <jez> pretty damn awful quality 21:35:55 <jez> :-\ 21:36:02 <jez> Aux? 21:36:30 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no clue what "aux" is supposed to be... 21:36:31 <Darkvater> !seen bjarni 21:36:31 <_42_> Darkvater, Bjarni (~Bjarni@0x50a46c16.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) was last seen quitting #openttd 9 hours 42 minutes ago (15.10. 11:53) stating "Quit: Leaving" after spending 1 hour 48 minutes there. 21:36:46 <Darkvater> that 2349ijrqwe9f0jawdfoij where's he when you need him? 21:37:48 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:39:31 <jez> Denmark, eating smoked bacon and drawing Mohammed cartoons 21:39:54 <Sacro> jez: thats very stereotypical 21:40:40 <jez> yeah 21:41:07 <Eddi|zuHause> opposing to Sacro's open mind, that can even distinguish between danish and dutch ;) 21:41:49 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: danish = dutch for most intents and porpuses 21:42:07 <Sacro> could probably deduce that dutch = deautsch 21:42:29 <jez> Sacro: both make good bacon. 21:43:00 <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: could you get into kinda bit of trouble if you go to denmark to buy "stuff" ;) 21:44:16 <Sacro> jez: well then im not gonna go hungry 21:44:21 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: depends what kinda "stuff" 21:44:51 <MeusH> !seen Bjarni you moron 21:44:53 <_42_> MeusH, Bjarni (~Bjarni@0x50a46c16.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) was last seen quitting #openttd 9 hours 50 minutes ago (15.10. 11:53) stating "Quit: Leaving" after spending 1 hour 48 minutes there. 21:44:57 <MeusH> :o 21:48:26 <jez> Recording samples of 'Easy Driver' now to show what I mean about slightly incorrect music in OpenTTD 21:48:33 <jez> I'd like to see if we can correct it 21:48:48 <jez> Somehow, the DOS versions play correctly 21:49:12 <jez> I fear they've been converted badly/buggily for the Windows version, which would mean getting the music information from the original DOS version somehow 21:55:17 <jez> http://www.game-point.net/misc/ttddos.mp3 21:55:24 <jez> http://www.game-point.net/misc/openttd.mp3 21:55:57 <jez> TTD DOS is how it's meant to sound 21:56:23 <jez> there are a few off-notes in the OpenTTD general MIDI rendition, and it happens a bit in other tracks too 21:57:45 <Brianetta> jez: That's down to the midi player alone 21:57:55 <jez> really? 21:58:11 <jez> you don't think it's a bad conversion from the DOS data to general midi for windows? 21:58:19 <Brianetta> Well, put it this way 21:58:30 <Brianetta> I use the original DOS data on Linux 21:58:35 <Brianetta> There has been no conversion 21:58:38 <jez> how? 21:58:41 <Brianetta> and it's different again 21:58:49 <Brianetta> How? It's general MIDI 21:59:19 <jez> DOS? please tell me how to get at the original DOS MIDI data 21:59:21 <glx> gm.cat is not usable 21:59:52 <Sacro> does TTDP not use gm.cat? 22:00:35 <glx> ttdp should use it as it is a patched ttd 22:01:23 <glx> but ottd can't use it (nobody found a way to use it yet) 22:01:34 <Wolf01> the gm_ttxx.gm files are midi files, you can open them with any midi program like noteworthy composer, anvil studio, van basco's karaoke player etc 22:02:56 <jez> anvil studio, isn't that free? 22:03:36 <Wolf01> the cat file seem a kind of archive, if you open it with notepad you see some .wav filenames 22:03:51 <jez> Wolf01: everything I've opened those .gm files with in Windows has given me the same incorrect notes 22:04:03 <jez> it makes me think that there's a problem with the midi files themselves 22:04:13 <glx> jez: so your midi synthesizer is wrong 22:04:42 <jez> erm 22:04:47 <jez> put it another way 22:04:52 <Sacro> mmmmmm, Zernebok Radio is amazing tonight 22:05:02 <jez> does anyone's midi synthesizer in windows play it like ttddos.mp3 ? 22:05:12 <jez> (the .gm file) 22:05:38 <Brianetta> More to the point, does anybody's DOS player play it like that? 22:05:47 <jez> if you're using DOSbox it should yes 22:05:49 <Brianetta> I remember playing TTD with an AWE32 for the first time 22:06:01 <jez> and when i used to play with a native DOS card it also played it like that 22:06:11 <Darkvater> what's the link Sacro ? 22:06:11 <Brianetta> There's no such thing as a native DOS card 22:06:28 <Sacro> http://radio.zernebok.com:8080/live.mp3 22:06:30 <Sacro> the who :D 22:06:49 <Sacro> Brianetta: i had my lovely shiny SB16 22:06:57 <jez> Brianetta: Yes there is, a soundcard that synthesizes its own FM or MIDI 22:07:04 <jez> i'm not sure which the DOS TTD outputs 22:07:05 <Brianetta> jez: Hardly native to DOS 22:07:11 <jez> native to the output 22:07:17 <jez> hardware synthesis 22:07:23 <Darkvater> Brianetta: I still have my AWE32 card..huge monster ;p 22:07:25 <Brianetta> No two FM synths I had sounded alike 22:07:39 <Brianetta> Darkvater: Yeah. I couldn't afford one of my own 22:07:41 <jez> still, the melody should have been the same 22:07:46 <jez> the pitch of the notes shouldn't change 22:08:12 <glx> it depends on synthesizer instruments 22:09:30 <jez> hmm 22:09:47 <jez> well then i'd say the windows synthesizer is wrong, not as the original artist intended 22:09:53 <Wolf01> i tried with van basco's and with NWC, 2 different sounds, the first uses the sound drivers synthetizer, the second its own synthetizer 22:10:07 <Wolf01> both are different from the ottd sound 22:10:17 <jez> but what about the melody? 22:10:23 <Wolf01> the same 22:10:34 <jez> same as my dos recording or openttd recording? 22:10:43 <Wolf01> instruments are different but the melody is the same 22:10:46 <jez> same as my dos recording or openttd recording? 22:11:07 <jez> dos/dosbox 22:11:07 <glx> I compared your mp3 with the music I get in openttd, the melody is the same 22:11:15 <jez> i posted 2 mp3s 22:11:27 <glx> the dos one :) 22:11:44 <jez> right 22:11:49 <jez> that's the correct melody i think 22:11:54 <glx> the melody is the same 22:11:55 <jez> hmm 22:12:06 <Wolf01> so there isn't a bug, simply different programs use different synthetizers 22:12:10 <glx> but the "feeling" is different 22:12:23 <Wolf01> maybe the ottd one doesn't have some instruments and you notice a pause 22:12:31 <jez> well can't we put a software synth in openTTD that correctly synthesizes the MIDIs? 22:12:39 <jez> rather than leaving it to the crappy default in windows? 22:13:20 <glx> I think using an external midi synthesizer (like timidity++ for linux) should be possible 22:13:25 <Wolf01> i vote for mp3 music 22:13:51 <jez> Wolf01: as the music files themselves are probably copyrighted and have to be copied from the original, not likely 22:13:54 <jez> the original didn't come with mp3s 22:14:25 <Brianetta> glx: SDL in Linux *does* use Timidity 22:14:35 <jez> is there.... a player i can use in windows that will use Timidity? 22:14:38 <Wolf01> we are making new graphics, when the mp3 support will be done, we could make new musics 22:14:46 <Brianetta> Little Red Diesel sounds very different on different synths 22:14:54 <glx> Brianetta: yes but openttd uses it as external player :) 22:14:58 <Wolf01> (is hard to find people who make nice music in midi) 22:15:45 <Sacro> yes, for nice music you need mods :d 22:16:01 <jez> i'm wondering what synthesizer DOSbox uses 22:16:10 <jez> because it sounds 'correct' in DOSbox 22:16:15 <jez> perhaps it does with Timidity too 22:16:29 <Brianetta> Which OS are you running DOSbox on? 22:16:32 <jez> what it doesn't sound right in is Microsoft GS wavetable synth 22:16:37 <jez> Windows 22:16:43 <Brianetta> I only have the Linux one 22:17:24 <jez> Brianetta: wow, those do sound different 22:17:31 <jez> not like im used to 22:17:36 <jez> less presence 22:17:45 <jez> that's Timidity's rendition is it? 22:17:52 <Darkvater> timidity is so much crap 22:17:55 <Brianetta> That's a loaded question 22:17:56 <Darkvater> eats about 40% cpu 22:18:06 <jez> yeah it sounds pretty awful actually 22:18:11 <jez> DOSbox's synth 22:18:12 <Brianetta> I have about 250MB of patches loaded in Timidity 22:18:14 <jez> what is DOSbox using 22:18:15 <jez> hmm 22:18:22 *** e1ko [~L@a02-0432b.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0.5/2006091003]] 22:18:34 <Brianetta> Darkvater: I only use Timidity once, then compress the output to MP3 22:18:45 <Wolf01> dosbox uses MPU-401 22:19:00 <jez> erm 22:19:12 <jez> are there any pre-compiled timidity binaries for windows with a decent UI? 22:19:20 <Wolf01> http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?page=dosbox.conf%2Fmidi 22:19:23 <jez> they dont seem to have bothered with one at the sourceforge page 22:21:26 <jez> 'AWE32 General MIDI Mudic' 22:22:13 <jez> no, forget that 22:22:19 <jez> 'General MIDI', MPU-401 compatible 22:22:26 <jez> that's the setting I chose to get that DOSbox output 22:22:37 <jez> So it's DOSbox's MPU-401 emulation I like 22:22:41 <jez> hmm 22:23:15 <Sacro> :o THE A TEAM 22:25:32 <Wolf01> 'night all 22:25:38 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host18-234-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 22:27:21 *** Mucht|work [~mucht@p57A0DD26.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 22:27:25 <jez> Think TTD DOS might actually modify the MIDI output a bit? 22:27:33 <jez> in a way that TTD Windows doesn't? 22:27:36 <jez> seems very unlikely 22:31:09 <jez> heh 22:31:13 <jez> Timidity is crap 22:31:19 <jez> i thought it was a superior synthesizer 22:32:15 <ln-> what's crap about it? 22:33:08 <jez> i'm listening to some of Brianetta's MP3 extracts from it now 22:33:29 <Naksu> ln-: it's on par with the "general midi" option of OLD games 22:33:39 <jez> they sound totally different to how most SoundBlaster cards outputted it 22:33:40 <Naksu> a good softsynthethizer is like the yamaha ones 22:33:43 <Brianetta> jez: You're blaming the tool. Blame the workman. 22:33:53 <Brianetta> I don't have a typical patchset. 22:34:02 <ln-> the goodness of Timidity entirely depends on the instrument files you use with it. 22:34:12 <jez> Brianetta: does it come with its own wavetable or do you have to use another one? 22:34:25 * Sacro uses freepats 22:34:27 <Brianetta> It uses GUS patches. 22:34:34 <Brianetta> There's a wide variety. 22:34:45 <jez> wow 22:34:52 <jez> didnt know GUS was in any way 'compatible' with MIDI 22:34:57 <Brianetta> Mine is a mish-mash of several, including wowpats - have a listen to any of the piano-only tracks, and you'll hear an amazing render. 22:35:14 <Brianetta> jez, GUS *is* MIDI 22:35:22 <Brianetta> The Ultrasound was a midi card only 22:35:24 <jez> i'm sure you will but I'm interested really in getting a rendition as close as possible to how I guess it was intended to sound 22:35:41 <jez> then why was a distinction usually drawn between GUS and general midi? 22:36:03 <Naksu> gravis 22:36:12 <Brianetta> because GUS was entirely dependant on GUS compatible patches 22:36:26 <Brianetta> There are GM tonebanks for it 22:36:31 <Naksu> the company behind the joypad i bought in the 90's and still have 22:36:39 <Naksu> and it works 22:36:45 <jez> i managed to get GUS emulation working with DOSbox 22:36:47 <jez> didn't think much of it 22:37:07 <jez> I still wanna know how DOSbox does its MPU-401 emulation 22:37:11 <jez> i think that's the output I want 22:37:31 <jez> the wiki just says "A MIDI passthrough interface is also emulated. This method of sound output will only work when used with a General Midi or MT-32 device." 22:37:34 <jez> not very informative 22:39:55 <Brianetta> DOSbox does nothing on my setup 22:39:58 <Brianetta> no MIDI at all 22:40:13 <jez> is MPU-401 emulation enabled in the conf file? 22:40:23 <Brianetta> oh wait 22:40:30 <Brianetta> it does GUS umulation with Timidity 22:40:32 <Brianetta> heh (: 22:40:40 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC7CC7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:40:42 <Sacro> ALSA:Can't subscribe to MIDI port (65:0) 22:40:46 <jez> mpu401=intelligent 22:40:46 <jez> device=default 22:40:47 <Sacro> MIDI:Opened device:oss 22:41:00 <jez> ahh 22:41:01 <Brianetta> You have an OSS midi device 22:41:23 <jez> i get opened MIDI:Opened device:win32 22:41:31 <jez> hmmmm 22:41:46 <jez> that would kind of suggest it should sound identical to when I play it in openTTD 22:41:48 <jez> but it doesnt 22:43:14 <jez> Yamaha do make good MIDI synthesizers 22:43:20 <jez> shame they're never bloody well free 22:43:31 <jez> you'd think they might give em away free by now, MIDI is old 22:44:52 <ln-> what's new then? 22:45:28 *** Trenskow [~outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 22:45:50 <Brianetta> MIDI is old. So is text. Perhaps Microsoft should give Word away. 22:45:59 <Brianetta> MIDI might be old, but it's still commercially alive. 22:46:05 <jez> Microsoft give notepad away free 22:46:09 <jez> that's kind of the equivalent to midi 22:46:11 <Brianetta> No, they do not. 22:46:15 <jez> ok. 22:46:19 <jez> VIM is free and Free. 22:46:34 <Brianetta> So is Timidity. 22:46:38 <Brianetta> Alternatives exist. 22:47:37 <jez> right 22:47:46 <MeusH> Timidity for win? 22:47:48 <jez> so why would DOSbox's MIDI output sound different from OpenTTD's? 22:48:44 <ln-> jez: where have you seen Microsoft giving notepad away for free? 22:49:00 <jez> i withdraw that 22:49:08 <Sacro> notepad costs... 22:49:14 <MeusH> on CD labelled "Win XP" from friend :D 22:49:17 <Sacro> at least £60 22:49:23 <Sacro> MeusH: heh, i have that CD too 22:49:24 <jez> however there are a billion-and-one free text editors. 22:49:40 <MeusH> I'm very happy Notepad++ 22:49:40 <jez> there are no free decent MIDI synthesizers 22:49:54 <MeusH> I'm very happy *with* Notepad++ 22:50:02 <MeusH> geez that sounded badly :P 22:50:24 <Sacro> MeusH: so did that 22:50:27 <ln-> jez: could it be because good MIDI synthesizers aren't that easy and quick to make, and that's why companies want money for them? 22:50:43 <jez> ln-: hmmmmm 22:50:52 <jez> the thing about MIDI synthesizers is, once you've made them that's it 22:51:02 <jez> you dont have to update the technology or anything, it's just there 22:51:08 <MeusH> yeah Sacro 22:51:08 <jez> the onetime code is paid for many time over by now 22:51:12 <MeusH> pretty much humiliating 22:51:12 <jez> *cost 22:51:36 <ln-> jez: so? ... that means it's a very good business if it brings money and doesn't need maintenance. 22:52:08 <jez> yeah, i guess i dont know why someone hasnt just ripped off Yamaha's by now 22:52:13 <jez> and given it away for free 22:52:13 <glx> jez: good midi synthesizer are generally hardware not software 22:52:20 <jez> glx: eh? 22:52:36 <jez> Yamaha's trial software synth is very nice i think 22:55:08 *** Trenskow [~outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 23:01:31 <jez> Brianetta: I see your Timidity extraction has made the same bizarre error with 'Can't get there from here' as my Windows synthesizers 23:01:41 <jez> the song has about 3 minutes of silence at the end 23:01:51 <Brianetta> The long gap followed by piano tinkle 23:01:52 <jez> how come that doesn't happen in the DOS TTD? 23:03:18 <jez> i've got a good mind to rip the MIDI out of DOSBox 23:03:24 <jez> then try to play that using a windows synth 23:03:29 <jez> that might actually sound better 23:03:36 <Brianetta> ? 23:03:51 <Brianetta> It's a bit either/or 23:03:52 <jez> DOSBox is cool, you can actually take MIDI output and write it as a MIDI file rather than WAV 23:04:32 <Brianetta> If you take its MIDI data and pipe it to Windows' MIDI device, it'll sound like Windows' MIDI device 23:04:49 <jez> but somehow the DOS version avoids the gap at the end of can't get there from here 23:04:53 *** Kjetil [kjetil@161.81-166-7.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:04:54 <jez> it won't have that 23:05:04 <Brianetta> Are you playing that track from TTD? 23:05:14 <jez> im playing it in dos now just to check it doesnt have it 23:05:22 <Brianetta> With which player? 23:05:39 <jez> ...dosbox, with device:win32 23:05:45 <Brianetta> wait 23:05:56 <Brianetta> how are you getting dosbox to play a midi file? 23:06:07 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 23:06:09 <jez> well that's the thing, im not 100% sure how dosbox emulates midi 23:06:21 <Brianetta> You don't emulate MIDI 23:06:22 <jez> i thought it actually had its own synth but the wiki describes it as a passthrough interface 23:06:31 <Brianetta> yes 23:06:41 <jez> yes, and it doesnt have that gap at the end of can't get there from here 23:06:41 <Brianetta> dosbox is a dos emulator. 23:06:45 <jez> it's just gone right on to the next tune 23:06:51 <Sacro> it passes the midi through to the win32 synth 23:06:54 <Brianetta> Which piece of software are you running in that emulator to play MIDI files 23:06:56 <Brianetta> ? 23:07:02 <jez> so i dunno, the DOS TTD binary is doing something with the MIDI info that is different 23:07:09 <Brianetta> Ah, TTD 23:07:14 <jez> yep 23:07:23 <Brianetta> Perhaps TTD knows how long the track shoul dbe and skips to the next 23:07:32 <Brianetta> so that there's little to no pause 23:07:37 <jez> yeah but it seems to have a slightly different melody on some tracks 23:07:39 <jez> which is weird 23:07:41 <Brianetta> Perhaps the slicence is, in fact, still playuing 23:07:44 <Brianetta> crass-faded 23:07:44 <jez> i dont understand that 23:07:53 <Brianetta> er, cross-faded 23:08:01 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-208-102.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: YOU! It was you wasn't it!?] 23:08:03 <jez> nah because if it were still playing you'd hear that weird little piano roll 3 minutes later 23:08:05 <jez> and you dont 23:08:10 <jez> it's just stopped playing 23:08:23 <Brianetta> Perhaps it stops after the length of the track has passed by 23:08:24 *** Trenskow [~outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 23:08:32 <Brianetta> It knows which tracks are old and which are modern 23:08:45 <Brianetta> so perhaps it just knows how long they are, and stops playing them in favour of the next 23:08:54 <jez> so the theory is, whoever wrote the TTD music was so bad at outputting general MIDI that it was all corrupted, and Chris Sawyer had to hardcode track lengths in? 23:09:02 <Brianetta> Pretty much. 23:09:06 <jez> despite MIDIs having their own natural end 23:09:20 <Brianetta> MIDIs have no natural end; they can contain jumps and loops 23:09:28 <jez> or maybe my theory is correct, that the extracted GM files (from gm.cat) were extracted badly and not quite right 23:09:41 <jez> didnt know that 23:09:44 <Brianetta> gm.cat is probably all one MIDI file 23:09:55 <jez> try and play it in a midi player 23:10:02 <Brianetta> I don't have it 23:10:04 <Brianetta> handy 23:10:08 <glx> I can't recognize midi stuff inside gm.cat 23:10:16 <Brianetta> It'll be compressed 23:10:24 <Brianetta> well, hopefully 23:10:25 <jez> I did 23:10:30 <jez> yeah it doesnt just play 23:10:43 <jez> i'll try ripping the midi with dosbox 23:10:49 <jez> might be able to improve on the windows ones 23:11:08 <jez> then i'll have to use anvil studio to separate the tracks out 23:11:12 <jez> not easy to do cleanly 23:13:15 *** PandaMojo_ [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 23:13:40 <jez> actually raises the question of who extracted that gm.cat file into GM files and why they bothered 23:13:46 <jez> it worked perfectly well before they did that 23:14:27 <glx> ask Chris Sawyer :) 23:14:36 <jez> not sure it was him 23:14:42 <jez> Hasbro converted it to windows 23:17:50 <jez> Hah!! 23:17:53 <jez> Looks like I was right 23:17:57 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:17:58 *** PandaMojo_ is now known as PandaMojo 23:18:05 <jez> the ripped DOSbox output sounds correct when played on the windows synth 23:18:12 <jez> the TTD Windows GM files don't 23:18:22 <jez> now I need to rip all the songs from the dos version and distribute them 23:18:38 <jez> the problem is not with my synthesizer, it's with the windows TTD .gm files 23:18:40 <glx> you can't 23:18:46 <jez> hmm 23:18:54 <glx> distribute them 23:19:05 <jez> well. 23:19:41 <jez> i doubt anyone would really complain 23:19:59 <jez> people are using the original .gms anyway 23:20:05 <jez> these will just sound more authentic 23:21:48 <Sacro> night all 23:21:55 <jez> night 23:24:11 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-247-143.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:31:34 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r6783 /trunk/network.c: -Codechange: Allow ParseConnectionString to allow players with more than one digit 23:35:33 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r6784 /trunk/players.c: -Codechange: Change invalid PlayerID type into ClientID which it is in CmdPlayerCtrl 23:37:20 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r6785 /trunk/network.c: 23:37:20 <CIA-1> -Cleanup: Remove unused _network_playas from NetworkAddServer. This function 23:37:20 <CIA-1> only adds favourite servers to the list, does nothing with regards to connection 23:41:58 <Serriaromeo> how difficult would it be to have the server list sort by revision? 23:42:06 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has joined #openttd 23:42:27 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r6786 /trunk/ (network_client.c network_server.c): 23:42:27 <CIA-1> -Codechange: To join a new company CMD_PLAYER_CTRL is executed with so far a 23:42:27 <CIA-1> local spectator (awaiting assignment from server). Since a spectator cannot 23:42:27 <CIA-1> execute any commands, a local player is impersonated. Move this impersonation 23:42:27 <CIA-1> to the server side where CMD_PLAYER_CTRL is handled specially anyways. 23:43:42 <Serriaromeo> Darkvater is on a roll 23:43:51 <MeusH> yeah :) 23:44:07 <MeusH> Serriaromeo, someone made a patch regarding network window 23:44:14 <MeusH> including many filters IIRC 23:44:24 <MeusH> but I don't know what happened with that 23:44:42 *** Spoco [Spoco@dsl-083-102-036-235.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 23:45:10 <Serriaromeo> i had a patch that would massdelete signs, but i accidently reverted the changes 23:45:20 <Serriaromeo> before i made the diff 23:48:37 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r6787 /trunk/ (6 files): 23:48:37 <CIA-1> -Codechange: Use PLAYER_NEW_COMPANY as a player identifier wishing to become a 23:48:37 <CIA-1> new player instead of a 0. 23:48:45 *** PandaMojo_ [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 23:49:44 <MeusH> too bad 23:49:55 <MeusH> hopefully, you'll re-write it much faster 23:53:57 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:54:08 *** PandaMojo_ is now known as PandaMojo 23:54:54 <Serriaromeo> i hope i can figure out what i did to make it work, i know i called the function that is alreay in place to remove signs, it basicly just mass renamed the signs owned by a given company to null, which deleted them.