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07:52:45 <Darkvater> I hae a patch that handles matrixes internally returning index, or -1 if out of bounds. 07:52:48 <Darkvater> now you ^_^ 07:52:57 <peter1138> there is still a horizontal & vertical scrollbar widget 07:53:06 <peter1138> but no special 'second scrollbar' widget 07:53:36 <peter1138> of course, having 5 horizontal scrollbars and 6 vertical scrollbars isn't that useful 07:53:41 <peter1138> but it's possible... 07:53:58 <peter1138> matrixes internally, eh? :) 07:54:08 <peter1138> that's useful 07:54:28 <peter1138> all that division and removing the widget's top and then... yeah 07:54:35 <Darkvater> yeah 07:54:53 <peter1138> where did mattc go :o 07:55:29 <Darkvater> "the data parameter a scrollbar index" << ok but you still have to add it visually somehow 07:55:43 <peter1138> hmm? 07:56:07 <peter1138> yes, the data parameter of a scrollbar widget 07:56:30 <peter1138> WWT_SCROLL2BAR = 13, /* 2nd vertical scrollbar*/ 07:56:33 <peter1138> ^ ugly 07:56:45 <Darkvater> yes 07:57:18 <Darkvater> aaah, you put it there, instead of in the window 07:57:21 <Tron> ask svn who wrote it 07:57:39 <peter1138> bjarni wrote that 07:57:48 <peter1138> Darkvater: you've missed the point :) 07:58:33 <Darkvater> gimme a slack, it's still early ;p 07:58:40 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/dynscroll.diff < bit huge though... 07:58:49 <peter1138> right 07:58:51 <peter1138> 9:00am 07:58:54 <Darkvater> I can only applaude this :D 07:59:05 <peter1138> i should be at work :o 07:59:09 <Darkvater> 10:00am here but still, only relative 07:59:19 <peter1138> ta ra 08:00:29 <Darkvater> w->vscroll[] is an array of vertical scrollbars now I suppose 08:00:37 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C46C.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 08:00:55 <Darkvater> do you still have w->hscroll? w->hscroll[]? Or is it all just one big w->scroll[] ? 08:01:36 <Darkvater> ah, seperate hscroll/vscroll 08:12:36 <Darkvater> hmm what is currently in the .data of the scrollbars 08:13:34 <Darkvater> scroll.cap? seems it's doubly stored cause it's in w->scroll.cap as well 08:15:52 <peter1138> nothing is currently in the data 08:16:21 <peter1138> but you're right, it could just be a single array for both directions 08:16:51 <Darkvater> yes there is. look + w->widget[2].data = (w->vscroll[0].cap << 8) + 1; 08:17:00 <Darkvater> unless that's a matrix widget of course 08:17:11 <peter1138> that's a matrix setup, i think 08:18:09 <peter1138> (oh, look, i'm at work) 08:18:40 <Darkvater> :) 08:18:55 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has joined #openttd 08:20:26 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C46C.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:20:37 <Darkvater> is it me who is stupid or just confused? What are you storing in w->widget[i].data? Cause from a glance at the diff it's all a w->scroll[i]. setup; unless you are storing the scrollbar identifier the one that goes into w->scroll['i'] 08:20:53 <Darkvater> (&w->vscroll[wi->data] 08:20:58 <Darkvater> I guess that's a yes 08:21:33 <peter1138> confused, i guess 08:22:57 <Darkvater> less now 08:26:06 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:26:06 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 08:29:19 <Darkvater> perhaps my only suggestion would be to pass &w->scroll[bar] directly instead of w and bar 08:31:12 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C46C.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 08:31:17 <peter1138> to SetVScrollCount()? probably... 08:31:23 <Darkvater> yes 08:31:35 *** Progman [~progman@p5091EC82.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:31:39 <Darkvater> unless you want an assert there to check for bounds 08:32:28 <peter1138> what about unifying the two arrays so it's just w->scroll instead of vscroll & hscroll? 08:32:55 <Darkvater> well already said that before :) 08:33:11 <Darkvater> but I think that's also a good idea 08:33:28 <peter1138> kk 08:37:37 <Darkvater> you could even do without the calloc() for w->scroll[3], if you really must but this is okay :) 08:37:48 <Darkvater> we'll have bjarni cock up a 6-scrollbar autoreplace window 08:37:52 <Darkvater> cook 08:38:39 <CIA-1> miham * r6901 /trunk/lang/ (estonian.txt unfinished/bulgarian.txt): 08:38:39 <CIA-1> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-10-23 10:28:46 08:38:39 <CIA-1> bulgarian - 6 fixed by kokobongo (6) 08:38:39 <CIA-1> estonian - 46 deleted, 3 changed by kristjans (49) 08:40:20 <peter1138> no, i think cock up is appropriate ;p 08:40:39 <Darkvater> hmmm 08:40:41 <Darkvater> u 08:40:43 <Darkvater> t 08:40:54 <Darkvater> f 08:41:01 <Darkvater> 8 08:41:09 <peter1138> feh 08:41:19 <peter1138> i have to sync it with all the strecpy changes :o 08:42:50 <Darkvater> horrible ;) 08:43:52 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: ? 08:43:57 <Darkvater> o_O germany adds tv-license costs to pc's 08:44:03 <Hapo> that sucks. 08:44:19 <Hapo> but at least the tv license is cheaper than in finland anyway 08:44:25 <Hapo> ours costs some 200 euros a year 08:44:48 <Darkvater> We don't have a license in Holland \o/ 08:45:03 <Darkvater> at least seperately....they just raised some other tax 08:45:06 <Darkvater> MiHaMiX: yes? 08:45:32 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: mi a gond az utf8-cal? :) 08:45:41 <Darkvater> non-comprende 08:46:22 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: 10:43-kor 4 kulon sorba leirtal 1-1 betut, abbol az utf8 jott ki :D mi a gond? :D 08:46:34 <Darkvater> non-comprende 08:46:54 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: ok, sorry for disturbing you 08:46:57 <Darkvater> hehe 08:47:11 <Darkvater> MiHaMiX: there's nothing wrong with utf8 I was just teasing ol'pte 08:47:14 <Darkvater> ol'pete 08:47:20 <Darkvater> damn crappy keyboard 08:47:40 *** Zr40_ [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:48:30 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: ok then 08:50:42 <peter1138> < tease'd :o 08:51:55 <Darkvater> if kudr fixes the kerning for large fonts for winfonts it's good for me as well. Although I like freetype + I did some work on it to get as a library so win32 can have it supported 08:52:37 <peter1138> ah, well, we don't do kerning 08:52:46 <peter1138> we take each character individually 08:52:51 <peter1138> kerning requires a pair 08:53:22 <peter1138> we'd need a new function to get the required distance 08:54:27 <Darkvater> well something cause with freetype the large fonts look good 08:54:37 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:56:51 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has joined #openttd 08:56:56 <Celestar> morning 08:57:33 <Darkvater> morning 08:58:22 <Celestar> I can't op myself :o 08:58:36 *** mode/#openttd [+o Celestar] by Darkvater 08:58:44 <Darkvater> whine! 08:58:53 <Celestar> thanks :P 08:59:21 <Celestar> people, are there any objections to moving around some bits in the map array at the present time? 08:59:59 <Darkvater> hmm peter1138 can you OP? 09:00:35 <peter1138> no 09:00:39 <peter1138> i'm not registered here 09:00:48 <Darkvater> aaah 09:00:55 <Darkvater> you're not even on the chanserv list 09:01:03 <Celestar> nor am I _ 09:01:46 <Darkvater> but you weren't here :) 09:01:55 <peter1138> hmm? 09:02:11 <Darkvater> Celestar wasn't around when we made the move 09:02:19 <peter1138> $ ssh root@tron 09:02:19 <peter1138> ssh: tron: Name or service not known 09:02:20 <peter1138> o_O 09:02:28 <peter1138> i meant troy... 09:02:35 <peter1138> stupid server names 09:02:52 <Darkvater> hehe 09:03:39 <Darkvater> peter1138: just tell when you've registered your nick 09:04:26 <Celestar> so there are no objections_ 09:04:36 <Darkvater> he 09:04:36 <Celestar> ? 09:04:42 <Darkvater> what do you want to shuffle around? 09:05:39 <Celestar> 1) swapping road and rail owner in crossings 09:05:56 <Celestar> 2) unify ground types for rails and rail depots 09:06:08 <Celestar> 3) remove rail type rail with signals 09:06:35 <Darkvater> 1) what is it now? 09:07:29 <Tron> well, i have a diff somewhere ... 09:07:42 <Tron> afk 09:08:37 <blathijs> Celestar: Don't we need 3) for something somewhere? 09:08:57 <blathijs> or actually, don't we need the signal bits for something else in rail-without-signals? 09:09:00 <peter1138> somethign somewhere? 09:09:11 <Darkvater> lol@tron 09:09:21 <Darkvater> Celestar: what is 1) now? too lazy to look up 09:10:51 *** dp- [~dp@p54B2E124.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:11:42 <Celestar> Darkvater: currenlty the crossing has the rail owner in m1 09:12:10 <Darkvater> and why do you want to switch? 09:12:27 <Darkvater> ah because the tile type is road not rail 09:12:32 <Celestar> pingo 09:12:36 <Celestar> :P 09:12:43 <Darkvater> ok 09:12:48 <Darkvater> so 2) why? 09:12:56 <Darkvater> I mean 2) unify ground types for rails and rail depots < 09:13:01 <Celestar> 4) move rail type of level crossing to the same place as all other rail types 09:13:13 <Celestar> 2) because it makes no sense to have to different schema? 09:14:27 <Celestar> afaik 4 is done already? 09:15:33 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 09:15:33 <Darkvater> so why all these changes? About 95% (or is it 100% already) of access are in accessors now so why would we care? 09:15:57 <Celestar> to clean the accessors? :) 09:16:21 <Darkvater> hmm, that argument doesn't convince me 09:16:47 <Celestar> ok not all of these changes are required. 09:16:56 <Celestar> but they're still in a "TODO" file I just found ÖP 09:16:57 <Celestar> :P 09:17:00 <Darkvater> :) 09:17:26 <Darkvater> *warning* todo's might be slightly outdated :) 09:17:38 <Celestar> possibly 09:17:46 <Darkvater> Celestar: remember in the very dim and foggy past you were going to look at airport approach? 09:17:52 *** dp-_ [~dp@p54B2F5F5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:17:56 <Darkvater> eg that cobra-patch on SF? 09:17:58 <Celestar> 5) change N/S X/Y encoding of bridge ramps to DiagDirection 09:18:06 <Celestar> Darkvater: yes I can remember 09:18:21 <Celestar> Darkvater: 5) does make sense right? 09:18:29 * Darkvater has a preference for that to be put on your todo list somewhere at the top :) 09:18:38 <Darkvater> hmm, isn't that already? 09:18:59 <peter1138> tron might've already done that 09:19:03 <peter1138> or just marked it as todo 09:19:07 <peter1138> i can'tr rmeemeber 09:19:08 <peter1138> or type 09:19:15 <Darkvater> tatic inline DiagDirection GetBridgeRampDirection(TileIndex t) 09:19:15 <Darkvater> { assert(IsBridgeRamp(t)); return ReverseDiagDir(XYNSToDiagDir((Axis)GB(_m[t].m5, 0, 1), GB(_m[t].m5, 5, 1))); 09:19:21 <Celestar> well 09:19:26 <Celestar> it is done in the bridge branch 09:19:30 <Celestar> so no worries 09:19:33 <peter1138> hmm 09:19:36 <peter1138> guess not ;p 09:19:56 <Celestar> no need to port it 09:20:45 <Celestar> return (DiagDirection)GB(_m[t].m5, 0, 2); 09:20:47 <Celestar> :) 09:23:12 <Darkvater> I might be beating a dead horse and still believe in maprewrite but I think with all _m[] hidden into accessors it is not really neccessary to juggle them around 09:24:02 <blathijs> Darkvater: When I think about it, your point seems logical. But my SE gut seems to disagree... ;-) 09:25:39 <Darkvater> my SE gut says it's pointless effort not visible in any way and offering no advantages in any way, except that landscape[_grid].html will look slightly better 09:25:53 * peter1138 notes: svn revert != svn resolved 09:26:10 <blathijs> ouch... 09:35:36 <Celestar> SE???? 09:35:45 <Celestar> Darkvater: ok point taken 09:37:02 <Celestar> what is SE?? 09:37:45 <Darkvater> Software Engineer I suppose 09:37:55 <Celestar> ok 09:38:06 <Celestar> I will refrain from messing around with da map 09:38:21 <Celestar> (apart from implementing new features) 09:40:55 <Celestar> deal? 09:41:06 <Darkvater> sounds fair enough 09:41:41 <Darkvater> now if somebody could find the the foreign direct investment for australia I would be grateful ;p 09:42:03 <Celestar> wtf? 09:42:11 <Darkvater> god my job sucks 09:43:30 * peter1138 hmms 09:44:32 <Celestar> Darkvater: why? 09:44:44 <Darkvater> boring 09:44:55 *** Tron_ [f4GuBAzi@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #openttd 09:45:06 * Darkvater really needs to graduate and find a real job 09:45:18 * peter1138 hmms at this 32bpp lark 09:46:08 <peter1138> messes with newgrf.c only such that you can list .tar files in [newgrf] and it'll load them (but not as newgrf files) 09:46:33 <peter1138> i guess it saves having an extra section in the config 09:46:48 <Darkvater> what do you want with .tar in newgrf? 09:47:12 <Darkvater> egladil: ^ 09:48:22 <peter1138> well, i don't 09:50:25 <Darkvater> well egladil I mean 09:59:17 <peter1138> a tarball of png files i guess 09:59:47 <Darkvater> yes but whatfor? newgrf files are .grf only :) 09:59:56 <peter1138> well, it's not newgrf 09:59:56 <Darkvater> all others would be mandatory to load 10:00:06 <peter1138> so i don't really know how it's supposed to work 10:00:08 <Darkvater> eg just like airports.grf, openttd.grf 10:00:30 <peter1138> well, replacing sprites is easy 10:05:23 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:09:28 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 10:09:30 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 10:11:42 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE6A.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 10:11:48 <Darkvater> ey Purno 10:13:57 <Purno> hey Darkvater 10:14:39 <Darkvater> what brigs you hee? 10:14:42 <Darkvater> +n +r 10:15:09 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:15:45 <Purno> well, I recently heard about this channel, so I thought lets just join. I do play OpenTTD at times. 10:16:17 <Darkvater> ah I see :) 10:16:32 <Purno> I play OpenTTD more than TTDpatch nowadays 10:16:42 <Darkvater> has the whatsitcalled..super-bridge been fixed for combroadw? 10:17:53 *** PandaMojo_ [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 10:17:54 <Tron_> <Darkvater> lol@tron <--- i'm dead serious 10:18:51 *** Mucht|work [~mucht@p57A0E849.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:19:00 <Tron_> <Darkvater> I mean 2) unify ground types for rails and rail depots <--- once they were the same, till /somebody/ moved one, but not the other 10:19:44 <Darkvater> it was just so funny. 2 days ago we were talking about getstring, then you come: "Oh, I have a diff for this", now we're talking about railtype "I have a diff"...I wonder what you all have in there :D 10:20:20 <peter1138> tron is a blackhole of diffs 10:20:44 <Purno> Darkvater , whatcha mean about that super-bridge? 10:20:46 <Tron_> %ls projekte/ottd/|wc -l 10:20:46 <Tron_> 38 10:21:19 <Darkvater> Purno: the yellow tubular bridge. in the y-direction it looked all funny :) 10:21:28 <Darkvater> Tron_: :O 10:21:39 <peter1138> there's probably different versions of it floating around 10:21:42 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81B0B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:21:51 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:22:00 *** PandaMojo_ is now known as PandaMojo 10:22:00 <Purno> Darkvater , hmm... and that's due an error in the GRF? 10:22:02 <peter1138> $ ls ottd | wc -l 10:22:02 <peter1138> 946 10:22:03 <peter1138> o_O 10:22:08 <Darkvater> yea 10:22:20 <peter1138> is that in combroadw? 10:22:23 <Tron_> i doubt you have 946 checkouts 10:22:25 * Darkvater loves purno's bridges 10:22:26 <Tron_> but i have 38 10:22:33 <peter1138> no, i don't 10:22:33 <peter1138> hmm 10:22:59 <peter1138> i did have a lot 10:23:06 <peter1138> but i deleted loads because i ran out of space 10:23:17 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81ED2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:23:20 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:23:50 <Purno> Hmm.... 10:24:05 <Purno> Well, I've been thinking about a new version of my bridgeset anyways. 10:24:08 <Darkvater> it was a long time ago 10:24:21 <Purno> I don't like the fact there are still some of TTD's original bridges in my set... 10:25:35 <Darkvater> > lunch 10:26:54 <peter1138> one day i'll finish off action 1, 2 & 3 bridges 10:30:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> new newbridges... sounds awesome ;) 10:31:04 <peter1138> oh, it is 10:31:07 <peter1138> it sort of worked 10:31:13 <peter1138> but then i rewrote the newgrf stuff 10:32:13 <roboboy> where those screenies from #tycoon earlier of some sort of new industry/cargoes 10:34:40 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r6902 /branches/utf8/ (70 files in 4 dirs): [utf8] - Sync with r6850:r6901 from trunk 10:40:51 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-152-252.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 10:42:27 <Brianetta> The problems forum is fill of miniin stuff )-: 10:46:44 <Tron_> how unexpected </sarcsam> 10:48:21 <peter1138> heh 10:48:49 <peter1138> hmm, hunger 10:49:12 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]] 10:49:52 <roboboy> http://ascii-art.org/exe.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fgondo.no-ip.org%2Fimg%2Fopenttd.png&resolution=1&mode=2&color=%23000000&font-size=11&line-height=9&letter-spacing=0&fixed_char=W 10:50:19 <roboboy> its an ascii art version of the icon 10:55:13 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:59:48 <Brianetta> lotp posted o-: 11:00:12 <peter1138> he's alive? :D 11:00:40 <Brianetta> As of 10:45am 11:00:59 <Brianetta> UTC, I believe 11:01:06 <Brianetta> so he was alive 15 minutes ago 11:01:22 <peter1138> forums are slow today 11:01:46 <Prof_Frink> slap orudge 11:01:59 <Prof_Frink> Won't help, but will make you feel better 11:02:04 * peter1138 ponders writing what oskar proposed anyway 11:15:11 <Celestar> back 11:16:21 *** Tron_ [f4GuBAzi@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:16:31 *** Tron_ [il6jwhcV@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #openttd 11:17:11 <Celestar> DAMNIT 11:17:22 <blathijs> hmm? 11:18:00 <Celestar> people are currently writing data at a rate of 7GB/hour on the file server 11:18:11 <Celestar> 3,2T 3,2T 80G 98% /nfs/home 11:18:28 <Celestar> considering that rate, the partition will be full in 10.5 hours 11:18:53 <Tron_> pr0n? 11:18:58 <Celestar> I hope not 11:19:13 <Tron_> why not? 11:19:17 <Brianetta> lol 11:19:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> you should probably have introduced quota ;) 11:19:57 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause2: I have 4.2TB of unpartitioned space :) 11:20:04 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause2: of which no one knows 11:20:12 <Tron_> is it a single account, which writes that much? 11:20:19 <Celestar> not a single one 11:20:30 <Celestar> I know of one colleuage that has 1.5TB but that makes sense to me 11:21:23 <Tron_> well, if he's constantly at 1,5TB 11:21:30 <Tron_> but who adds 7GB/h? 11:22:51 <Celestar> thats what I am trying to find out at the present time 11:23:34 <Tron_> mount -r /nfs/home 11:23:39 <Tron_> and wait for somebody to complain ^^ 11:23:51 <Neonox> :) 11:24:03 <Celestar> Tron_: it takes about 2.2 seconds 11:24:10 <Celestar> Tron_: but the cluster will complain first :P 11:27:40 <Tron_> so, who's the bad guy? 11:28:08 * Neonox is not the bad guy 11:28:16 <Celestar> dunno, I'm trying to compute the difference between 2 "du" outputs 11:28:50 <Celestar> but "du"ing a 3TB partition takes time 11:29:10 <Tron_> it smells a bit like a runaway script 11:29:21 <Celestar> nah, I guess it is cluster computations 11:32:02 <peter1138> cat /dev/zero > ... 11:32:09 <Tron_> storing stuff on NFS? 11:32:15 <Tron_> performance? anyone? 11:32:24 <Celestar> the compute nodes are diskless 11:32:34 <Celestar> and I get up to 100 11:32:36 <Tron_> but NFS? 11:32:39 <Celestar> MB/sec 11:32:44 <Celestar> which is kind of plenty 11:32:56 <peter1138> maybe you need to limit it for this guy :) 11:32:56 <Celestar> it is NFS4 :) 11:33:15 <Tron_> yeah, a bit QoS 11:33:21 <Tron_> set i to 10k/s f 11:33:25 <Tron_> or this guy 11:33:45 <Tron_> then the remaining 80GB will be enough for a long time 11:34:29 <Celestar> hehe 11:35:04 <Tron_> also he'll use less computing power on the cluster 11:36:48 <Tron_> that's two benefits with one little change! 11:46:04 <peter1138> hmm, 12:47 11:46:09 <peter1138> lunchishtime, i think 11:46:52 <Prof_Frink> Yep. 11:47:01 <Prof_Frink> Sandwich van arrived a moment ago 11:47:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> your clock is 1 minute early... 11:48:51 <roboboy> gnight 11:52:52 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:00:50 <Brianetta> Eddi|zuHause2: peter1138's clock is accurate 12:05:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> not according to my clock ;) 12:06:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> [CTCP] CTCP-TIME Antwort von Brianetta empfangen: Mon Oct 23 12:05:51 12:06:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> [CTCP] CTCP-TIME Antwort von peter1138 empfangen: Mon Oct 23 13:07:47 2006 12:06:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> spot the difference? ;) 12:07:31 <Brianetta> peter1138 clearly wasn't reading that clock when deciding that it was lunch time. 12:08:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> err... right... 12:10:45 *** jez [willow@cpc3-stkn4-0-0-cust630.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 12:24:43 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:24:50 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 12:29:50 *** GoneWack1 [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 12:32:58 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:32:58 *** GoneWack1 is now known as GoneWacko 12:33:02 * peter1138 ponders some debugging info 12:37:25 <Darkvater> yes GoneWacko could use that 12:38:24 <peter1138> heh 12:38:26 <peter1138> nah, for desyncs 12:38:41 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-152-252.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:47:07 *** Spoco [Spoco@dsl-087-94-050-149.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 12:48:01 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@203-97-223-241.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #openttd 12:49:11 <GoneWacko> I could use something? 12:51:14 <Alltaken> you could probably yes 13:03:39 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 13:03:48 <Belugas> hello all 13:05:28 <jez> lo 13:07:29 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:07:31 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:10:35 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:11:31 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:16:00 <Darkvater> hiya 13:20:13 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90.224.32.143] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:23:33 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90.224.32.143] has joined #openttd 13:24:12 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C46C.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 13:25:17 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:25:17 *** Aluado_BK [~aluado_bk@200.140.75.34] has joined #openttd 13:26:30 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90.224.32.143] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:29:13 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 13:32:08 <Aluado_BK> hi... were i report bugs? 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[ www.cajau.com ]] 13:40:52 <jez> www.tt-forums.net 13:40:52 *** StarLite [~Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:40:53 <jez> perhaps 13:41:07 <peter1138> bugs.openttd.org 13:41:17 <Darkvater> 15:37 -!- Aluado_BK [~aluado_bk@200.140.75.34] has quit [Quit: CeBoLiNhA: Welcome to the real world. [ www.cajau.com ]] 13:41:24 <peter1138> PERHAPS 13:41:36 <peter1138> i was correcting jez for future information ;p 13:41:39 *** StarLite [~Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:42:41 <peter1138> hehe 13:42:48 <peter1138> p2p grf sharing network :o 13:46:40 <Born_Acorn> No more needing to go out and get all the grfs yourself! :p 13:46:50 <peter1138> "go out"? 13:46:58 <peter1138> is that like going out to town to get the groceries? 13:48:23 <Belugas> better yet, sit at your desk, click "deliver" and have it teleported in the kitchen 13:49:21 <peter1138> :D 13:49:27 *** LSky` [~hixscript@cc103898-a.roden1.dr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 13:49:44 <LSky`> anyone home? 13:51:05 <Belugas> at home? hardly :( at the office, sadly, yes 13:51:06 <Belugas> hehehe 13:51:12 <Belugas> hello LSky` 13:51:15 <LSky`> hiya :) 13:51:49 <LSky`> it just popped into my mind that OpenTTD might have an irc channel 13:51:52 <LSky`> and it does ! 13:53:15 <Belugas> yes it does :) 13:53:39 <LSky`> and it's full of people too! 13:53:50 <guru3> weird isn't it 13:53:57 <LSky`> very 13:53:59 <Born_Acorn> No it doesn't. This is a channel about O Pent TD 13:54:07 <LSky`> oh 13:54:10 <LSky`> bugger 13:54:14 <Born_Acorn> :p 13:54:28 <guru3> it's got a very misleading topic then 13:54:39 <Born_Acorn> We like to confuse. 13:54:41 <Progman> like #php as parents-help-parents? ;) 13:54:46 <LSky`> lol. 13:55:04 <guru3> what is O Pent TD all about then? 13:55:13 <LSky`> yea, id like to know that 13:55:29 <guru3> why i have i been in the O Pent TD channel all these years? 13:56:04 <LSky`> to randomly support just causes? 13:57:23 <LSky`> anyway, ive been having some problems with MiniIN 13:57:50 <Born_Acorn> It's short for "OmniPotent Trained Dentists. 13:58:01 <Born_Acorn> yes. 13:58:12 <peter1138> that took a while to come up with ;p 13:58:31 <LSky`> when I run it (r6500), the server says that a client is slow, and that i might want to consider setting net_frame_somethingicantremember higher 13:58:45 <LSky`> i used a laptop in my house as a server 13:58:52 <LSky`> and my own comp as client 13:59:09 <Darkvater> *twitch* 13:59:12 <LSky`> i was using YAPF and about 150-200 road vehicles 13:59:25 <LSky`> then it started slowing down and losing connection once every while 13:59:37 <Darkvater> *twitch* *twitch* *snap* 13:59:41 <peter1138> heh 13:59:49 <LSky`> yea i tried that too Darkvater , it didnt work 14:00:01 <Darkvater> oh noes, my miniin nerve's been touched 14:00:28 <LSky`> could it be caused by YAPF? 14:00:52 <LSky`> it thought it was weird that it made the client slow down, instead of the server 14:00:54 <Darkvater> *crash* 14:00:57 <KUDr> YAPF takes about 3% CPU 14:01:13 <LSky`> serverside? 14:01:14 <peter1138> -rw-r--r-- 1 peter peter 912219 2006-10-23 15:02 vehicledata.txt 14:01:17 <CIA-1> egladil * r6903 /branches/32bpp/vehicle.c: [32bpp] -Make sure the vehicle size is correct for 32bpp sprites. 14:01:18 <KUDr> should not be the reason 14:01:19 <peter1138> hmm... bit verbose :) 14:01:25 <LSky`> 8| 14:01:53 <peter1138> LSky`: well, both the client and server do exactly (in theory) the same processing 14:01:54 <Darkvater> peter1138: and you want to find the desync from in there? 14:02:12 <peter1138> Darkvater: no, it's just a hunch ;p 14:02:13 <LSky`> well, the server is 800Mhz and the client 2200Mhz 14:02:22 <peter1138> Darkvater: idea is it'll start to desync at some point 14:02:29 <peter1138> then i'll pause the server 14:02:31 <peter1138> dump its state 14:02:39 <peter1138> then dump the state of a client 14:02:42 <Darkvater> openttd desyncs suck :( 14:02:49 <peter1138> if it's different... find out why 14:02:56 <peter1138> might not even be vehicles though 14:03:07 <Darkvater> I had a server/client running for 20 hours not a single desync 14:03:18 <peter1138> yeah, sometimes it's fine 14:03:19 <LSky`> what build :o 14:03:22 <Darkvater> then the next test, bam within a minute 14:03:35 <peter1138> i'm getting the old "save and reload fixes it" variety quite a bit 14:03:49 <Darkvater> although I have found that ithappens a lot more if you join a running game 14:03:56 <Darkvater> one that has been running for quite some while 14:04:03 <Darkvater> peter1138: exactly 14:04:15 <peter1138> so now i have to wait for it to happen again ;( 14:04:45 <LSky`> earlier on i found out the hard way that having different GRFs kinda messes up multiplayer games :p 14:04:53 * SpComb cats some /dev/urandom to a OpenTTD server 14:05:18 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:05:22 <Prof_Frink> Spoco: you'd still build a better network than he ai 14:05:43 <LSky`> really weird things happen if you join a random server with a few newgrfs installed 14:05:44 <Prof_Frink> s/Spoco/SpComb/ 14:05:50 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has joined #openttd 14:05:55 <Darkvater> LSky`: yes, not advisable 14:05:57 <Darkvater> wb Celestar 14:06:00 <Celestar> Darkvater: you got a sec? 14:06:16 <Darkvater> hmm you haven't id'd for your nick either... 14:06:17 <Darkvater> ya 14:06:17 <peter1138> LSky`: only works if all grfs match on both sides 14:06:26 <LSky`> yes i found out :p 14:07:00 <KUDr> Darkvater: can you please check the kerning for large fonts now? ( http://mazanec1.netbox.cz/svn/ottdp/branches/utf8 ) 14:07:15 <peter1138> screenshot? :P 14:07:17 <peter1138> err 14:07:19 <peter1138> screenshot? :) 14:07:24 <KUDr> will try 14:07:28 <Celestar> KUDr: ? we get kerning? :) 14:07:31 <LSky`> has anyone else experienced this "client is slow" thingy then? 14:07:50 <KUDr> Celestar: yes, but different way 14:07:55 <Darkvater> lol 14:08:01 <KUDr> Celestar: using spacing (A, B, C) 14:08:12 <Darkvater> KUDr: repaste again in a few hours when I am at home if it's still needed for testing 14:08:25 <KUDr> ok 14:08:54 <Darkvater> LSky`: have you checked the cpu usage on the client? 14:09:12 <LSky`> yes its high 14:09:21 <KUDr> what is hotkey for screenshot? 14:09:39 <peter1138> ^S 14:09:43 <LSky`> the game needs to catch up to the server every time 14:09:45 <KUDr> thx 14:09:58 <peter1138> what size game? heh 14:10:17 <LSky`> 1024x1024 14:14:05 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:14:31 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 14:15:14 <peter1138> hmm, next_hash doesn't match 14:15:27 <Darkvater> :O 14:15:38 * Darkvater points a finger randomly 14:15:52 <peter1138> question is... should it 14:16:58 <Brianetta> Red signals (: 14:17:00 <Brianetta> yey eyye 14:17:05 * Brianetta bounces a bit 14:17:42 <peter1138> hmm? 14:18:24 <KUDr> peter1138: http://mazanec1.netbox.cz/svn/ottdp/branches/utf8/screenshots/001.png 14:19:15 <Darkvater> muc better...isn't it a different font though than yesterday? 14:19:29 <KUDr> bit smaller 14:19:34 <peter1138> hmm 14:19:40 <KUDr> but spacing should be correct now 14:20:00 <KUDr> using 3 different widths 14:20:22 <peter1138> how do you decide which? 14:20:47 <KUDr> A - move before drawing, B - actual char width, C - move after 14:21:03 <KUDr> it is described in msdn 14:21:04 <peter1138> hmm 14:21:11 <KUDr> the way how M$ does it 14:21:30 <KUDr> only was bit difficult to do it properly 14:21:32 <peter1138> http://mazanec1.netbox.cz/svn/ottdp/branches/utf8/screenshots/001.png 14:21:34 <peter1138> err 14:21:48 <KUDr> doesn't work? 14:21:53 <peter1138> does 14:21:54 <peter1138> wrong paste 14:22:57 <peter1138> -leave_depot_instantly = 0x1 14:22:58 <peter1138> +leave_depot_instantly = 0x0 14:22:59 <peter1138> hmm 14:23:05 <Darkvater> Iknew it! 14:23:08 <Darkvater> bjarni :) 14:23:37 <peter1138> that's not saved 14:23:38 <peter1138> but... 14:25:07 <peter1138> last_speed is fine, that's always 0 14:36:48 *** Osai^2 is now known as Osai 14:36:53 <Darkvater> nothing is decided upon leave_depot_instantly? 14:36:58 <Darkvater> why is it there then? 14:38:09 <peter1138> hmm? 14:40:04 <Darkvater> you said that variable differs 14:40:07 <Darkvater> but it's not a problem 14:40:26 <Darkvater> but that variable clearly is not a gui-only thing, but internal 14:40:40 <Darkvater> so if it doesn't matter that they differ, then we don't need it 14:40:56 <jez> peter1138: what in the name of god is that ugly font? :-) 14:41:11 <jez> tell me we're not moving to that 14:41:36 <peter1138> no idea 14:41:46 <Darkvater> jez: dude, chill out 14:41:48 <jez> no way, it loses the character of the original 14:41:57 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.143.73] has joined #openttd 14:42:04 <Darkvater> you don't even know what we are talking about 14:42:21 <jez> no not really :-) 14:42:41 <jez> I suspect it's something to do with internationalization 14:42:44 <Darkvater> now then zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz-ip it 14:42:50 <jez> and you're using a Unicode font that obviously looks different 14:44:10 <Darkvater> I am not even going to reply to that 14:44:33 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/utf8-jp3.png 14:44:40 <peter1138> ^ whoops, different typeface ;p 14:45:46 <jez> how'd you get it to display r4814 14:45:48 <jez> instead of norev? 14:46:03 <peter1138> because it's r4814... 14:46:10 <Brianetta> use a proper build environment 14:46:34 <Brianetta> peter1138: Actually, it's r4184M (: 14:46:43 <Brianetta> er, 4814M 14:46:46 <peter1138> :) 14:46:49 * Brianetta transposes things 14:47:46 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/utf8-ukr2.png 14:47:57 <peter1138> ^ but look, (close to) original typeface! 14:48:15 <peter1138> not exact, because, uh, the original didn't have those characters 14:48:31 <peter1138> (never mind the ?s) 14:48:40 <glx> missing chars in the font :) 14:48:54 <peter1138> grf file :D 14:48:58 <glx> oh 14:49:03 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:57:24 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 14:58:10 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:04:04 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:14:41 *** WolfAngel [~wolfangel@83.73.168.209.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has joined #openttd 15:17:29 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC5A2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:33:27 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc4-norw5-0-0-cust184.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:35:31 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.143.73] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 15:39:15 <LSky`> is listening to: [Oasis - Wonderwall] ::: Length: [4:18] ::: BitRate: [1047Kbps] 15:39:19 <LSky`> ^ :) 15:42:53 <Brianetta> Wonderwail 15:43:43 <KUDr> small font repaired (bit smaller, always uppercase): http://mazanec1.netbox.cz/svn/ottdp/branches/utf8/screenshots/002.png 15:43:49 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc4-norw5-0-0-cust184.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 15:44:10 <peter1138> readable :D 15:44:26 <KUDr> yes 15:44:27 <peter1138> fatfingburg 15:44:28 <peter1138> heh 15:44:34 <ln-> you could do some antialiasing with the newspaper headline. 15:44:54 <peter1138> not really 15:44:58 <KUDr> ln-: hehe 15:45:12 <ln-> besides, aren't serif fonts more common in newspapers? 15:45:18 <KUDr> it is not so easy with 2 colors 15:45:30 <KUDr> maybe 15:45:34 <KUDr> i can try it 15:46:14 <peter1138> maybe with a set of "translucent" colours 15:46:30 <peter1138> hmm 15:51:06 <KUDr> In-: http://mazanec1.netbox.cz/svn/ottdp/branches/utf8/screenshots/003.png 15:58:28 <ln-> I l 1 15:59:12 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c16.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:59:13 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 16:00:10 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 16:10:57 <KUDr> <ln-> I l 1 << ? 16:12:29 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-141-62.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:12:31 *** Tron_ [il6jwhcV@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:31:07 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:32:22 <LSky`> when i try to run a r6857 dedicated server, the server hangs after the map is generated :| 16:32:45 <LSky`> dbg: Map generated, starting game 16:32:50 <LSky`> thats the last message that shows up 16:35:33 <CIA-1> belugas * r6904 /trunk/ (industry.h industry_cmd.c table/build_industry.h): 16:35:33 <CIA-1> -CodeChange : Cleanup of industry_cmd (Step-5). 16:35:33 <CIA-1> Add member life_type to IndustrySpec and remove the now useless _industry_close_mode array 16:36:27 <peter1138> heh, multiple desktops... 16:36:57 <hylje> :p 16:37:37 *** Zr40_ [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:44:04 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host197-236-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 16:44:21 <Wolf01> hi 16:45:04 <Sacro> hey 16:47:25 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r6905 /trunk/vehicle.c: - Codechange: Copy cargo subtype when cloning vehicles. 16:48:02 *** amix [~AmiXoamip@202.80-203-43.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 16:53:30 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3FCF8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:55:49 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176103074.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:58:03 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3DB23.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:58:08 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AWAY 16:59:15 <amix> wondering. is trams planned for openttd in the future? 16:59:23 <amix> or highways? 17:01:05 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r6906 /trunk/newgrf.c: - Fix [FS#370]: Clear 'large plane' flag if 'helicopter' flag is set. (mart3p) 17:01:45 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.148.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:02:44 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 17:03:38 <jez> hopefully not. 17:05:00 <peter1138> heh 17:05:09 <peter1138> as Brianetta pointed out the scale of ttdp trams is a little off 17:06:03 <Belugas> there are rumors that someone is indeed working on trams. But it is a rumor... don't take it as cash... 17:07:54 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 17:11:23 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81ED2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:13:39 <amix> oki 17:14:01 <amix> trams would be nice 17:14:08 <amix> for sure 17:14:39 <amix> thats some of Locomotions great areas 17:14:44 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82FFD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:14:47 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 17:17:52 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-172-178.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:18:02 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-172-178.karoo.KCOM.COM] has left #openttd [] 17:18:37 <jez> erm, why? 17:18:48 <jez> aren't trans just less useful versions of busses? 17:18:49 <amix> ? 17:19:04 <amix> they are much more useful 17:19:10 <jez> How? 17:19:20 <amix> they can run on their own tracks 17:19:27 <amix> longer trains than busses 17:19:28 <jez> so? 17:19:34 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 17:19:39 <amix> faster 17:19:42 <amix> etc 17:19:48 <jez> i disagree, they're usually slower 17:19:51 <jez> slow buggers, trams are 17:19:56 <amix> nah 17:20:08 <jez> as for running on their own tracks, that means they *need* their own tracks 17:20:13 <jez> which is a nightmare for traffic 17:20:28 <amix> trams are nice 17:20:34 <jez> no, not really. 17:20:41 <amix> yes they are 17:21:07 <jez> that's a purely sentimental statement 17:21:21 <amix> i dont agree with you 17:21:25 <amix> dont you see that 17:21:32 <jez> yes, obviously 17:22:00 <amix> with their own tracks, trams arent stuck in traffic rush 17:22:11 <amix> they have longer trains 17:22:13 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 17:22:14 <jez> no, they're probably causing the jams 17:22:16 <amix> they are faster 17:22:23 <amix> no 17:22:26 <jez> with their own tracks, why dont you just use trains? 17:22:37 <amix> trains in a city? 17:22:38 <amix> ;P 17:22:39 <jez> yes 17:22:42 <amix> lol 17:22:45 <jez> that's basically what a tram is 17:22:55 <amix> its a people moover 17:23:04 <jez> and a passenger train is? 17:23:06 <amix> subway is more or less train inside a city 17:23:35 <amix> is basically all upto how you build a tram network 17:24:01 <amix> in east Europe communists built trams 17:24:07 <jez> i don't think i've ever heard anybody distinguish between 'passenger train' and 'people mover' before 17:24:15 <amix> because of their efficency 17:24:25 <jez> and look where that got them :-P 17:24:35 <amix> well 17:24:47 <amix> if you build the trams in streets with other traffic 17:24:54 <amix> thats just stupid 17:25:17 <amix> but let them run on their own track etc... trams are very nice to use then 17:25:23 <jez> that's a goddamn train 17:25:27 <jez> if it has its own exclusive track 17:25:29 <jez> it IS a train 17:25:33 <amix> no 17:25:48 <amix> you have all kinds of systems 17:26:11 <amix> Trains, Light rail, Subway, Metro, Trams 17:26:42 <jez> "a wheeled vehicle that runs on rails and is propelled by electricity; "`tram' and `tramcar' are British terms"" 17:26:50 <jez> sounds a lot like an electric train to me 17:27:11 <amix> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tram 17:27:31 <amix> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:San_Diego_Green_Line_SDSU.jpg 17:27:41 <amix> trams can even go underground in some cities 17:28:18 <peter1138> wow 17:28:21 <peter1138> tunnels 17:28:24 <peter1138> i'm impressed ;p 17:29:06 <amix> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:KatowiceSilesianInterurbans.jpg 17:29:12 <amix> in Katowice in Poland 17:29:30 <amix> runs on its own track 17:29:38 <jez> "Tram infrastructure occupies urban space above ground and requires modifications to traffic flow." 17:30:55 <amix> center shouldnt have cars 17:31:04 <amix> in cities 17:31:08 <hylje> tunnels 17:31:23 <jez> "The greatest advantage of modern trams is social rather than technical. In most countries, trams don't suffer from the image problem that plagues buses. On the contrary most people associate trams with a positive image. Unlike buses, trams tend to be popular with a wider spectrum of the public, including better-off people who often shun buses. This high level of customer acceptance means higher ridership and bigger public support f 17:31:26 <amix> large parkings should take lots of cars 17:31:29 <jez> translation 17:31:53 <jez> trams are worth spending shitloads of money on and mucking around with the road infrastructure, because some morons think they 'look' better than buses 17:32:09 <amix> theyre much better 17:32:12 <amix> i hate busses 17:32:17 <amix> compared to trams 17:33:03 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:33:32 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 17:33:46 <jez> i just hate buses 17:33:47 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:33:47 <ln-> the buses that i have seen generate fumes and are noisy. 17:33:54 <jez> but that doesnt mean trams are automaticallya good ie 17:33:56 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 17:34:00 <jez> *automatically a good idea 17:34:21 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:34:21 <jez> ln-: creating a tram infrastructure generates a lot of fumes and is very noisy 17:34:25 <jez> as well as maintaining it 17:34:29 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 17:35:54 <ln-> how's that? 17:36:03 <ln-> or rather, why's that? 17:36:08 <jez> why not? 17:36:25 <jez> ever heard a pneumatic drill? 17:36:48 <hylje> that thing you used in worms to poke people out 17:36:54 <amix> ln-: thanks 17:37:16 <amix> i have metro to my house though 17:37:25 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:37:30 <amix> like it 17:37:41 <hylje> i recall Helsinki's most effective public transport are 1. metro 2. tram 17:38:16 <ln-> jez: is a drill constantly needed for trams? 17:39:01 <amix> trams also costs less to drive 17:39:28 <amix> there are trams which are 20-30 years old which still runs 17:39:46 <peter1138> i've seen buses that old ;p 17:39:50 <amix> busses have to be changed often 17:40:14 <amix> peter1138: yea, at museums or city cellebration days maybe 17:40:19 <amix> but not in traffic ;) 17:40:24 <jez> try and persuade Detroit to build a tram system 17:40:25 <jez> ;-) 17:40:54 <amix> well, usa isnt the most tram friendly nation. most of people drives cars 17:41:16 <ln-> and most people are fat 17:41:56 * Hapo is ext3 17:42:35 <amix> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:401atDVP.jpg 17:42:39 <amix> these roads 17:42:41 <amix> are too big 17:43:29 <amix> put some sort of tram or metro in the middle.. some of it for people which biking and it could be way better 17:43:49 <Belugas> Thecity of Montreal thinks about reimplementaing trams in here 17:44:06 <amix> nice 17:44:14 <amix> Bergen is getting it back now 17:44:16 <Belugas> partly for tourism, partly for easing trafic in downtown 17:44:22 <amix> also Stavanger is talking about it 17:44:43 <jez> why doesn't Montreal just implement a proper language? then it'd be great 17:44:58 <Belugas> Montreal is bilingual 17:45:34 <hylje> bergen got some nice highways 17:45:40 <Belugas> me, i'm just a typo machine 17:45:48 <amix> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-bane 17:45:53 <amix> this is our metro 17:47:48 <jez> T-bane? 17:48:15 <amix> yes.. underground in norwegian 17:48:24 <amix> though its more of an metro than a subway 17:49:07 <hylje> Tunnelbanen! 17:50:00 <amix> in the center its going underground, while outside pretty mixed 17:50:19 <hylje> well 17:50:27 <hylje> you cant make a train go above the ground in norway 17:50:33 <hylje> without any tunnels 17:51:14 <amix> hehe 17:51:27 <amix> line 1 goes up to 600m above the sea 17:51:33 <amix> from center 17:51:39 <amix> :) 17:51:50 <amix> thats unusual for metro 17:51:58 <peter1138> ok 17:52:03 <peter1138> there are 5 lines 17:52:11 <peter1138> out of all the possible colours 17:52:13 <peter1138> why are two blue? 17:52:26 <amix> there is a circle line 17:52:33 <amix> opened August this year 17:52:43 <peter1138> hmm, no, 3 17:52:48 <peter1138> lines 1, 4 & 6 17:53:31 <amix> 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 17:53:36 <amix> 6 lines :) 17:53:51 <peter1138> they're not all blue 17:54:11 <amix> http://www.urbanrail.net/eu/osl/oslo.htm 17:54:14 <amix> there 17:54:20 <amix> better :) 17:55:34 <LSky`> anyone know the status of implenting the ability to see what GRFs are installed on internet/LAN servers? 17:56:11 <amix> jez: http://www.urbanrail.net/am/detr/detroit.htm 17:56:19 <amix> there is a people mover in Detroit ;) 17:56:25 <LSky`> right now, everyone who joins my server gets booted after a while because they dont have the correct GRFs installed = 17:56:34 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/grfgui/5.png 17:56:36 <peter1138> what, like that? 17:56:43 * peter1138 knows nothing about that 17:56:45 <CIA-1> miham * r6907 /trunk/lang/ (danish.txt hungarian.txt): 17:56:45 <CIA-1> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-10-23 19:56:02 17:56:45 <CIA-1> danish - 19 changed by ThomasA (19) 17:56:45 <CIA-1> hungarian - 5 changed by miham (5) 17:57:02 <LSky`> what build is that peter1138 17:57:03 <LSky`> ? 17:57:10 <peter1138> none 17:57:15 <LSky`> =| 17:57:21 <amix> peter1138: thats own stations etc 17:57:24 <amix> i think 17:57:37 <amix> its possible to create different station layouts 17:57:39 <amix> later on 17:57:45 <peter1138> ... 17:59:14 <LSky`> then what is peter1138 :o 17:59:18 <LSky`> *is it 17:59:30 <peter1138> it's a patch 18:00:01 <LSky`> hmmm 18:00:18 <LSky`> would be a nice addition for the next version then 18:00:24 <amix> does it work with 0.4.8 18:00:43 <amix> ? 18:01:00 <peter1138> no 18:01:15 <amix> when? 18:01:18 <amix> and how? 18:01:24 <peter1138> well it will be in the next release 18:01:33 <LSky`> sounds great 18:01:34 <amix> ahh 18:01:50 <LSky`> untill then Ill just play in the server by myself >:D 18:02:12 <amix> LSky`: ? 18:02:18 <amix> you have that? 18:02:28 <LSky`> unless there happens to be anyone who has newshipsw / planeset_459 / ussrplanes / pb_hovs_bus installed :( 18:02:31 <LSky`> but i dont think so 18:03:38 <LSky`> have what amix ? 18:03:52 <amix> 0.4.9? 18:04:18 <LSky`> no? 18:04:22 <amix> oki 18:04:24 <amix> :) 18:04:32 <LSky`> just a r6500 server with NewGRFs 18:04:50 <amix> aha 18:04:53 <LSky`> but everyone gets disconnected after a while because they dont have the correct ones installed 18:05:02 <amix> so if i logged onto your server, would it work? 18:05:47 <LSky`> you could play for a while 18:06:00 <LSky`> but you would get an out of sync error at some point 18:06:06 <glx> amix: you need miniin-6500 to join LSky` server 18:06:08 <LSky`> unless you have those 4 GRFs installed 18:06:13 <LSky`> yea that too 18:06:19 <LSky`> but thats in the servers name 18:06:31 <LSky`> so you wouldnt be able to join the server if you werent running the same version 18:06:37 <amix> glx: aha.. what is miniin-6500? 18:06:41 <LSky`> =o 18:06:51 <amix> a grf set? 18:07:00 <LSky`> No. 18:07:16 <LSky`> a way in which you can easily run the latest nightly builds of OpenTTD 18:07:25 <LSky`> at least thats what i have come to understand 18:07:53 <glx> r6500-miniin is no longer available :) 18:08:15 <LSky`> r6857 is extremely buggy compared to r6500 tho :\ 18:08:31 <glx> 6857 is not finished :) 18:08:48 <glx> it's in a middle of a sync 18:09:21 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:09:32 *** scia_ [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:10:02 <LSky`> i havent found the drive through stations in r6857b yet 18:10:06 <LSky`> -b 18:10:24 <LSky`> are they removed or do they need to be activated in the cfg file? 18:12:45 *** Kalpa^ [kalpa@dsl-hkigw4-fe3ede00-8.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 481 seconds] 18:13:29 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r6908 /trunk/ (gfx.c gfx.h vehicle_gui.c vehicle_gui.h): - Codechange: Modify DrawStringMultiLine() to return the number of pixel lines used, and use it for drawing NewGRF additional text (mart3p) 18:14:11 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:16:17 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:17:26 <Darkvater> foei, long day 18:17:42 <KUDr> Darkvater: time? 18:17:50 <KUDr> http://mazanec1.netbox.cz/svn/ottdp/branches/utf8 18:20:33 <Darkvater> 20:20 18:20:38 <Darkvater> CET 18:20:50 <Darkvater> shit 18:20:55 <Darkvater> brb, gotta watch the news 18:21:05 * Darkvater rolls eyes at the farce in Hungary 18:25:03 *** amix [~AmiXoamip@202.80-203-43.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:26:44 <peter1138> hmm 18:27:03 <peter1138> so are we putting in consts for ints etc? 18:27:17 <peter1138> in function parameters 18:28:59 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r6909 /trunk/vehicle_gui.c: - Codechange: Base the decision to draw rail engine or wagon purchase information on the rail vehicle type, not an arbitrary value. 18:29:44 <Darkvater> ok back 18:29:48 <Darkvater> peter1138: that's a bjarni thing 18:30:14 <Darkvater> KUDr: gime a sec 18:32:44 <peter1138> i mean, gcc does complain if you alter them, but... 18:33:03 <Darkvater> it has no use at all 18:35:06 <Darkvater> OMG multiple desktops :O 18:35:29 <Darkvater> I've been saying for ages openttd needs a webbrowser 18:35:33 <Darkvater> just like JA2 had 18:36:03 <peter1138> hmm 18:36:07 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82FFD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: icebears... take care of them!] 18:36:08 <peter1138> it did? 18:36:23 <Darkvater> yep 18:36:41 <Darkvater> don't you remember? You have this laptop where you can go onto the "internet" and hire mercs, equipment 18:36:44 <Darkvater> read your mail 18:37:01 <Brianetta> Darkvater: Ever played Port of Call? 18:37:11 <Darkvater> no 18:37:20 <Brianetta> Heard of it? 18:37:23 <Darkvater> no 18:37:35 <Brianetta> It's a shipping game. You run a shipping company. 18:38:04 <Brianetta> Interestingly, as well as piloting ships into ports, and deciding what contracts to take, and buying new shuips, outfitting and upgrading, etc 18:38:07 <Brianetta> you also have an office 18:38:13 <Brianetta> where you look after the details. 18:38:25 <Brianetta> Thing is, if you're not in your office for ages, it can be burgled (: 18:38:33 <Darkvater> lool 18:38:37 <Brianetta> I was thinking, perhaps headquarters of TT companies? 18:39:09 <Brianetta> http://www.portsofcall.de/ 18:39:28 <Brianetta> The DOS game was the only one I knew about until literally 15 seconds ago 18:39:40 <Brianetta> I own a license for it (: 18:39:49 <Brianetta> Now there's a Windows version and a 3D thing 18:39:57 <peter1138> hmm 18:40:25 <peter1138> difficult ports to solve 18:40:25 <peter1138> heh 18:40:53 <Darkvater> KUDr: big font looks a lot better. 18:41:04 *** Kalpa [kalpa@dsl-hkigw4-fe39de00-118.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:41:08 <Darkvater> still dropdown arrow, etc. the special strings are just blocks 18:41:46 <KUDr> what you suggest? 18:41:57 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:42:07 <peter1138> do what the freetype version does 18:42:14 <Darkvater> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=509348#509348 18:42:16 <Darkvater> hehe 18:42:20 <peter1138> there are certain ranges that fallback to the sprites 18:42:38 <peter1138> in the E000 range or something 18:42:38 <KUDr> aha 18:42:39 <KUDr> ok 18:42:54 <peter1138> bah, can't get to forums atm :( 18:43:08 <Darkvater> 32bpp branch showoff 18:43:20 <Darkvater> donnu if some are fake or not, but seems someone got creative with it 18:45:43 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 18:45:49 <peter1138> oh, that 18:45:51 <peter1138> it looks shit 18:45:53 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r6910 /trunk/ (6 files): - Codechange: Supply width of area when drawing purchase info instead of using hardcoded values. (mart3p) 18:47:04 <Bjarni> Brianetta: interesting link.... and I found an error in it :p 18:47:42 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-144-216.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 18:47:46 <Bjarni> the Danish manual talks about modem technical features instead of modern technical features 18:48:05 <Bjarni> like online players today uses modems :p 18:50:18 <Darkvater> bb in 2 hours 18:50:21 <Darkvater> perhaps 3 18:50:59 *** Spoco [Spoco@dsl-087-94-050-149.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 18:51:01 *** Kalpa [kalpa@dsl-hkigw4-fe39de00-118.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: Something went Wrong :(] 18:51:54 <Brianetta> Bjarni: Error? 18:52:03 <Brianetta> oh, in POC 18:52:15 <Brianetta> I have a registration code, if anybody is interested 18:52:23 <Brianetta> and the DOS version works perfectly in dosbox 18:52:33 <Brianetta> the code is ine that they used to give away for free 19:00:20 <Bjarni> nice 19:00:29 <Bjarni> actually it could be interesting to try this one 19:00:57 <Bjarni> it appears that only one issue from the original remains: risk of losing money if you are not in the office all the time 19:01:06 <Brianetta> yes 19:01:52 <peter1138> not in the office being what? 19:02:03 <Brianetta> being being in any other screen 19:02:08 <Brianetta> withthe clock running 19:02:18 <Brianetta> if you go weeks out of the office, you're guaranteed a burglary 19:03:48 *** Wolf01|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 19:06:09 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 19:07:25 *** scia_ [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:09:27 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-172-178.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 19:11:58 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.143.73] has joined #openttd 19:14:51 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387C46C.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 19:15:26 <BobingAbout> hi 19:15:43 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.143.73] has quit [] 19:22:18 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C46C.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:23:09 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C46C.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 19:23:22 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387C46C.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:30:05 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-140-206-186.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 19:32:15 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-144-216.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:32:47 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc4-norw5-0-0-cust184.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:40:40 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:43:41 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-172-178.karoo.KCOM.COM] has left #openttd [] 19:47:03 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 19:51:01 *** amix [~AmiXoamip@202.80-203-43.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 19:55:09 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.143.73] has joined #openttd 19:56:09 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: www.sexybiggetje.nl] 19:58:19 <Born_Acorn> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=509348#509348 <-- Remind me to shoot myself if OTTD becomes like that ever. 19:58:21 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE6A.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Purno has spoken] 19:59:28 <hylje> so 19:59:36 <hylje> if i mod ottd into that 19:59:40 <hylje> we got a plan 20:00:52 *** lws1984 is now known as lws|Away 20:01:11 <Born_Acorn> I'll be taking everyone with me too. 20:01:31 * Born_Acorn pats his 534 hyperton hydrogen bomb 20:02:14 <Brianetta> What's a hyperton? 20:02:20 <Brianetta> Slightly more than a ton? 20:02:57 <hylje> somewhat less than a fuckton 20:03:22 <Belugas> and less comfy then a futon 20:03:35 <Brianetta> Born_Acorn: Picture number 2, if it's a mock-up at all, is mocked up with real 32 bit graphics from the wiki 20:03:57 <smeding> but the pasted in cars 20:03:59 <smeding> they're horrible 20:04:01 * smeding cries 20:04:03 <Brianetta> Personally, I'd love to have OpenTTD look like picture 3 20:04:04 <smeding> also, hi. 20:04:08 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:04:13 <Born_Acorn> I'm aware, but the rest is pasted in pictures, and graphics from Red Alert 2 20:04:48 <Brianetta> The buses are rather huge 20:04:59 <Brianetta> I huess that's why they doubled up the roads 20:05:15 <Brianetta> I like the monster airliners (: 20:08:01 *** WolfAngel [~wolfangel@83.73.168.209.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has quit [Quit: Hax for IRC click here *Click*] 20:09:16 <LSky`> that oil rig looks sweet 20:09:28 <Brianetta> LSky`: You OK with autopilot? 20:09:54 <LSky`> i found it, but im still a bit confused on how to make it work :\ 20:10:06 <Brianetta> You need Tcl 20:10:09 <Brianetta> Do you have it? 20:10:35 <LSky`> no 20:10:47 <Brianetta> http://www.activestate.com/Products/ActiveTcl/ 20:10:50 <Brianetta> It's free 20:11:31 <LSky`> okay thanks 20:11:41 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host197-236-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Guest52835))] 20:11:41 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host197-236-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 20:14:10 <amix> http://forums.ttdrussia.net/files/rus_tu154_3_106.png 20:14:28 <amix> will those highways come with the next release? 20:14:35 <peter1138> no 20:14:42 <LSky`> lol. 20:14:59 <LSky`> those arent highways 20:15:04 <LSky`> just road replacements 20:15:50 <LSky`> those weird screenshots result in one good point tho 20:16:08 <LSky`> the planes are currently way too small 20:16:15 <hylje> peter1138! NewRoads! NewPlanes! 20:16:46 <Wolf01> peter1138! custom bridgeheads! magic bridges! 20:16:58 <amix> so new roads will come with next release? 20:17:05 <Wolf01> no 20:17:10 <LSky`> you can already download new road graphics 20:17:21 <LSky`> US roads or something 20:17:23 <LSky`> theyre ugly tbh 20:17:37 <peter1138> i like the combroad set 20:18:05 <amix> oki 20:18:28 <LSky`> is that set on GRFCrawler peter1138 ? 20:18:32 <amix> i wish for highways ;) 20:18:46 <LSky`> yeah, i'd like some mroe development of road vehicle usage too 20:18:48 <amix> or atleast easier way of building roads 20:19:03 <peter1138> i think it might be 20:19:10 <peter1138> easier? 20:19:16 <amix> yes 20:19:19 <LSky`> its pretty easy right now amix 20:19:19 <peter1138> how hard is it to drag & drop? 20:19:37 <amix> have a cross like the one when building rails 20:19:53 <LSky`> hmmm 20:19:55 <amix> its difficult when making corners 20:20:01 <LSky`> that would prove pretty hard id say 20:20:02 <amix> not difficult 20:20:14 <amix> but the way simcity2000 does it is nice 20:20:17 <LSky`> you mean diagonal (or whatever its spelled) just like railway track? 20:20:24 <amix> yes 20:20:28 <LSky`> hmmm 20:20:45 <LSky`> thats quite a change 20:21:13 <LSky`> towns would be structured completely different 20:21:28 <amix> ahh yes 20:21:58 <LSky`> id like a little more content for road vehicles tho 20:22:13 <Wolf01> i asked tmesisbob for the ooooold version of diagonal roads patch, but seem that he can't find it 20:22:59 <LSky`> CPU road traffic, random cars that spawn in towns. together with gas stations (linked to refineries etc) , that would be a great addition 20:23:22 <hylje> yes. eats cpu too 20:23:30 <LSky`> i still doubt that 20:23:44 <hylje> loads of pathfinders 20:23:47 <LSky`> would it eat cpu if you would have them drive around brainless? 20:23:52 <amix> highways would be nice as it would prevent busses stuck 20:23:53 <amix> ;) 20:24:06 <LSky`> well why would you need pathfinders hylje 20:24:07 <amix> or atleast traffic lights for cross 20:24:18 <LSky`> you cant control them anyway 20:25:32 <LSky`> it certainly adds to the realism and provides for some nice eye candy 20:25:45 <LSky`> while they nicely congest your roads 20:27:15 <hylje> yay, congestion 20:27:23 <hylje> we could shoehorn simcity into this as well 20:27:51 <LSky`> well, simcity certainly isnt the only game with traffic 20:28:00 <LSky`> its just weird looking at empty roads all the time 20:28:02 <LSky`> it doesnt feel right 20:28:07 <hylje> no, seriously 20:28:14 <hylje> with more realistic city simulation 20:28:22 <hylje> you could have players doing cities 20:28:28 <LSky`> hmm 20:28:43 <LSky`> like how? 20:28:56 <LSky`> cities are extremely small compared to those in simcity 20:29:04 <hylje> that i do not know. id believe it would be quite alike to simcity 20:29:21 <hylje> you think? scope can be changed 20:29:31 <LSky`> of course 20:29:46 <LSky`> seeing as maps become 2048x2048 nowadays 20:30:05 <LSky`> might as well start off with cities with a minimum of 1000 - 2500 citizens 20:30:38 *** PandaMojo_ [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 20:30:44 <Wolf01> in sim city you have 1 city, big as you want and puzzled as you want, but is always one big city 20:30:50 <LSky`> true 20:31:11 <LSky`> you could still have a player function as, lets say, "the government 20:31:18 <LSky`> who manages the towns 20:31:31 <LSky`> and perhaps the industries in some way 20:31:34 <LSky`> offer subsidies 20:32:11 <LSky`> try to draw transport companies to their cities :p 20:32:27 <amix> well 20:32:34 <amix> Locomotion have highways 20:32:38 <amix> nice done 20:32:45 <LSky`> simcity has highways 20:32:50 <amix> but the building control in Locomotion suxx 20:32:53 <amix> ;) 20:32:53 <LSky`> awfully done in simcity3000 :D 20:33:02 <amix> SimCity 4 20:33:10 <LSky`> i never got the hang of simvity 4 20:33:10 <amix> with Rush Hour pack is nice! 20:33:18 <LSky`> i played simcity 3000 for hours 20:33:24 <amix> :) 20:33:24 <LSky`> but simcity4, :\ 20:33:32 <LSky`> i dont know, it didnt feel right 20:33:41 <LSky`> same as i adored Railroad Tycoon 2 20:33:52 <LSky`> but Railroad Tycoon 3 20:33:53 <LSky`> =\ 20:34:05 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-172-178.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:34:11 <amix> i like TrainZ Railroad Tycoon 20:34:41 <LSky`> i never really played Railz 20:34:41 <BobingAbout> hi all 20:34:44 <LSky`> hiya 20:35:32 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:35:43 *** PandaMojo_ is now known as PandaMojo 20:36:51 *** Progman [~progman@p5091EC82.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:38:23 <LSky`> i got that installation file 20:38:33 <Brianetta> it's a zip 20:38:45 <Brianetta> just extract the contents to your openttd folder 20:38:52 <Brianetta> which OS are you using? 20:38:56 <LSky`> XP Pro 20:38:59 <Brianetta> cool 20:39:07 <amix> so its allready possible to install new grf? 20:39:09 <LSky`> over VNC tho, so it might be a little slow 20:39:13 <amix> i dont understand this 20:39:14 <amix> ;D 20:39:15 <LSky`> yes amix 20:39:29 <LSky`> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Newgrf 20:39:29 <BobingAbout> anyone tried windows XP 64? 20:39:32 <amix> oki 20:39:49 <amix> grf is stations etc, tracks? 20:40:00 <BobingAbout> engines mainly 20:40:03 <LSky`> and vehicles 20:40:15 <LSky`> Brianetta , its extracted 20:40:17 <BobingAbout> ooh, and you might want to look at my first GRF, osignals :P 20:40:18 <amix> oki 20:40:22 <LSky`> autopilot that it* 20:40:28 <amix> and it works with 0.4.8? 20:40:34 <BobingAbout> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=508891 20:40:47 <Brianetta> LSky`: Good. Copy the contents of openttd_additional.cfg onto the end of openttd.cfg 20:41:10 <Brianetta> then edit openttd.cfg and change the values to what's appropriate for you 20:41:22 <Brianetta> If you're using a recent nightly, set pause_level to -1 20:41:27 <amix> so with grf its possible to create highways in the future? 20:41:30 <Brianetta> and set min_players to 1 instead 20:41:31 <LSky`> r6500, is that recent? 20:41:48 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 20:41:51 <BobingAbout> r6500 is fairly recent, its more recent than 0.4.8 20:41:55 <Brianetta> peter1138: Is 6500 recent enough for autopause? 20:41:59 <LSky`> amix, that would require some coding too 20:42:03 <peter1138> uh 20:42:13 <Brianetta> min_players 20:42:17 <peter1138> yeah, i'm looking :) 20:42:21 <Brianetta> ta (: 20:42:33 <amix> openttd team should put up a vote 20:42:34 <peter1138> no 20:42:34 <peter1138> 6628 20:42:35 <BobingAbout> d: 20:42:41 <amix> about what people wants next 20:42:43 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C46C.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:42:46 <Belugas_Gone> bye boyzz 20:42:48 <amix> or how is the policy there? 20:42:49 <LSky`> cya 20:42:52 <Brianetta> LSky`: So anyway, yeah. Edit that file. You need to set pause_level to 0 if you want to pause when nobody is ocnnected 20:42:54 <amix> take care 20:43:00 <peter1138> damn it 20:43:11 <peter1138> why is aircraft building stuff in build_vehicle_gui.c 20:43:28 <BobingAbout> aircraft is a vehicle 20:43:39 <peter1138> yes, but none of the other vehicle types are in there 20:43:41 *** PandaMojo_ [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 20:43:51 <BobingAbout> i wouldn't have a clue 20:43:57 <LSky`> whats an irc bridge Brianetta ? 20:44:13 <Brianetta> LSky`: Bridges game chat to IRC and vice versa 20:44:21 <Brianetta> like sandbox 20:44:28 <Brianetta> brb, oven 20:44:32 <LSky`> what should i put there if i want to use that? 20:44:36 <LSky`> okay, i have time :) 20:44:50 <amix> so a server 20:44:56 <amix> which uses new grf 20:44:58 <Brianetta> ok, that stands for 5 minutes 20:45:13 <Brianetta> LSky`: Start at the top 20:45:14 <amix> should be able to upload the missing parts to the one not having it 20:45:23 <amix> or would that be difficult? 20:45:24 <Brianetta> command must be set to openttd.exe for Windows XP 20:45:39 <Brianetta> email and url should be made correct 20:45:48 <BobingAbout> we've been through that on the forums, i wouldn't want to download 10Mb of GRF files, and i'd want to upload them even less... 20:45:56 <Brianetta> use_irc will need to be set to yes for IRC functions to be loaded 20:46:09 <Brianetta> you need to have tcllib installed for that, though 20:46:13 * Brianetta checks 20:46:54 <Brianetta> ActiveTcl comes with Tcllib, you're good 20:47:04 <LSky`> okay, i just install ActiveTcl? 20:47:11 <Brianetta> Yes. 20:47:26 <Brianetta> Sorry, thought you'd done that 20:47:35 <Brianetta> There's no real config there, just install and it's done 20:47:41 <amix> i am not a coder, but i know how to draw graphics 20:47:52 <BobingAbout> same here 20:47:57 <amix> how difficult would it be to code a highway.. just example? 20:48:08 <BobingAbout> i made my first GRF without really understanding what i was coding :P 20:48:11 <amix> just wondering about it 20:48:19 <LSky`> amix , that would really depend on how advanced you would want it to be 20:48:32 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:48:36 <Brianetta> amix: That's a difficult wuestion. FIrst you need to define very, very clearly what a highway is. 20:48:41 <amix> lets say it used 2 squares 20:48:43 <BobingAbout> highway would require coding in C first, then the GRF telling OTTD that it wants to be used as graphics for the highways 20:48:43 *** PandaMojo_ is now known as PandaMojo 20:50:03 <amix> because the vehicles allready bypasses each others 20:50:07 <amix> on the roads 20:50:21 <amix> the highways would be one direction only 20:50:27 <amix> like in Locomotion 20:50:33 <LSky`> theres a topic about 1 way roads somewhere 20:50:44 <BobingAbout> 1 way roads is not he same as highways 20:50:56 <LSky`> well it certainly is a step in the right direction 20:51:05 <amix> mhm 20:52:02 <amix> highways is certainly something which would easy the traffic on roads so they dont get stuck that much in towns etc 20:52:28 <BobingAbout> you'd need a smarter path finder first though... 20:52:40 <LSky`> naturally 20:52:53 <BobingAbout> yapf still needs a few tweaks 20:53:08 <amix> http://forums.ttdrussia.net/files/autobus_4d_138.png 20:53:10 <LSky`> lots of things need tweaking :p 20:53:12 <amix> like that 20:53:19 <amix> ignore the vehicles 20:53:23 <LSky`> hmm 20:53:33 <LSky`> well those are just 2 roads next to eachother 20:53:37 <peter1138> yapf's great 20:53:46 <LSky`> i created entire highway networks with that 20:53:48 <peter1138> although it could do with not having to reset the cache all the time 20:53:50 <BobingAbout> i say otherwise 20:53:53 <LSky`> but they were always 2 way :\ 20:53:59 <peter1138> yes, but only because you don't understand 20:54:14 <amix> LSky`: mhm 20:54:16 <BobingAbout> i understand why it sucks, thats all i care about :P 20:54:37 <amix> thats what is a bit dumb, but i understand the time and effort of this project 20:54:43 <peter1138> because you like building broken networks. excellent choice. 20:54:45 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:54:55 <BobingAbout> not just the railway 20:54:57 <peter1138> i wonder how that philosophy would work with IP networks 20:55:12 <BobingAbout> i have a network :P 20:55:20 <LSky`> Brianetta , what do I do once I have ActiveTcl installed? 20:55:30 <BobingAbout> just got to make sure all the ping pong 20:55:34 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.143.73] has left #openttd [http://iThought.dk/ ] 20:57:05 <Brianetta> What I was telling you to do before 20:57:26 <Brianetta> unzip autopilot into your openttd folder, then copy openttd_additional.cfg onto the end of openttd.cfg, then customise 20:57:37 <BobingAbout> nah, yapf doesn't suck, just needs some tweaks :P 20:57:37 <LSky`> ah eys of course 20:57:51 <Brianetta> npf doesn't suck 20:57:53 <Brianetta> it blows 20:58:04 <BobingAbout> like making road vehicles avoid crossings 20:58:10 <LSky`> recount_frequency? 20:58:12 <Brianetta> yapf can do that 20:58:20 <LSky`> is that the frequency in which the MOTDs are displayed? 20:58:20 <BobingAbout> it can, but didn't 20:58:21 <LSky`> or whatever? 20:58:26 <BobingAbout> its 1 of many tweaks 20:58:42 <Brianetta> LSky`: Defaults to every 5 minutes. It's not terribly important to change that 20:58:49 <LSky`> =) 20:59:35 <Brianetta> motd1, motd2 and motd3 take variable substitution 20:59:38 <LSky`> but what do I have to fill in at irc_bridge 20:59:54 <LSky`> just "yes" , if i want to use it? 20:59:58 <Brianetta> http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/wiki/index.php/Autopilot 21:00:00 <Brianetta> yeah 21:00:17 <Brianetta> yes or on or 1 21:00:27 <peter1138> ow fukc fuck fuck 21:00:45 <BobingAbout> wazap now? 21:00:48 * Brianetta hands peter1138 a tube of Nurofen 21:00:59 <peter1138> mental note: don't shut fingres indorr 21:01:14 <LSky`> lol..... 21:01:20 <BobingAbout> i did that years ago, hurts like hell don't it? 21:02:10 <amix> so if i want to play on someone elses grf i need to have it installed 21:02:13 <amix> ? 21:02:23 <BobingAbout> aye 21:02:28 <amix> oki 21:02:29 <LSky`> okay Brianetta , i put the stuff in the openttd.cfg 21:02:33 <Brianetta> good. 21:02:38 <Brianetta> run autopilot.tcl 21:02:57 <Brianetta> start autopilot.tcl 21:02:59 <Brianetta> should do it 21:03:06 <Brianetta> or 21:03:12 <Brianetta> tclsh autopilot.tcl 21:03:48 <peter1138> bleeding ;( 21:03:58 <LSky`> okay, i got a msdos screen for a few seconds 21:04:05 <LSky`> i could read what it said tho 21:04:10 <LSky`> couldnt* 21:04:19 <BobingAbout> you should be spending more time bandaging and less time typing then shouldn't you? 21:04:29 <peter1138> lies! 21:04:33 <peter1138> i've got features to write! 21:04:42 <LSky`> ! 21:04:56 <LSky`> it recognises the files as tcl scripts now tho 21:04:56 <BobingAbout> i can wait another day, I've waited months already :P 21:04:56 <peter1138> crap, widget changing :( 21:05:13 <peter1138> i hate widget changing 21:05:20 <BobingAbout> eh? 21:05:21 <peter1138> especially when bjarni buts widgets in random orders 21:05:31 <BobingAbout> eh? 21:05:49 <peter1138> *puts 21:05:55 <glx> LSky`: did you use "convert.exe" ? 21:05:57 <BobingAbout> eh? 21:06:10 <LSky`> yes 21:06:18 <BobingAbout> whatever... 21:07:10 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:07:55 <Brianetta> LSky`: Try running autopilot in a command prompt window 21:08:08 <Brianetta> don't doubl-click, because if it dies you'll never know why. 21:08:26 <amix> i have openttd on osx 21:09:08 <amix> downloaded the latest 0.4.8 now 21:10:33 <LSky`> it still opens a new window :\ 21:10:36 <LSky`> and die simmediatly 21:10:38 <LSky`> dies* 21:10:55 <LSky`> oh wait 21:11:12 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-172-178.karoo.KCOM.COM] has left #openttd [] 21:11:18 <LSky`> it gives a small window filled with just white :\ 21:11:51 <amix> oki 21:11:55 <amix> installed 21:15:13 <LSky`> i assume that just a little white window isnt sufficient Brianetta 21:16:06 <amix> where is the grf settings in 0.4.8? 21:16:33 <peter1138> openttd.cfg 21:16:58 <peter1138> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Newgrf 21:17:42 <amix> thanks 21:18:44 <Brianetta> white window? 21:19:00 <Brianetta> LSky`: What are you running? 21:19:08 <Brianetta> and from which foldeR? 21:19:10 <LSky`> still XP Pro 21:19:16 * Brianetta sighs 21:19:19 <LSky`> oh, autopilot.tcl 21:19:24 <Brianetta> from 21:19:27 <LSky`> using cmd 21:19:35 <glx> LSky`: run cmd 21:19:39 <LSky`> yea i did that 21:19:43 <glx> go in openttd dir 21:19:45 <Brianetta> you're just typingin autopilot.tcl 21:19:54 <glx> type "tclsh autopilot.tcl" 21:19:57 <LSky`> oh yea 21:20:03 <LSky`> :D 21:20:04 <LSky`> sorry 21:20:09 <Brianetta> .tcl isn't a program type in Windows 21:20:11 <amix> ahh 21:20:25 <amix> where is it possible to download new grfs? 21:20:46 <glx> Brianetta: it is but it doesn't run with tclsh 21:21:16 <LSky`> =o 21:21:41 <LSky`> ah 21:21:48 <LSky`> i still need to set the irc nickserv info 21:21:49 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176103074.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 21:22:26 <glx> Brianetta: .tcl are run using wish with double-click 21:24:13 <Brianetta> glx: wish? 21:24:16 <Brianetta> yuck 21:24:34 <Brianetta> that's not a program type, then 21:24:40 <Brianetta> it's an associated extension 21:25:33 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r6911 /trunk/ (5 files): - Codechange: Add extra space to all purchase windows (and the replace window) to allow room for more text. (mart3p) 21:27:27 <LSky`> NICKSERV needs to be replaced by the IRC server's command ? 21:27:40 <LSky`> followed bu the name and password? 21:27:52 <LSky`> or does NICKSERV needs to be unchanged? 21:28:02 <Brianetta> That's not a command 21:28:08 <Brianetta> it's quoted directly to yhe IRC server 21:28:09 <LSky`> the console is spamming me with "connected to irc server" commands 21:28:23 <Brianetta> Which network are you connecting to? 21:28:27 <LSky`> GameSurge 21:28:46 <Brianetta> try just commenting out the nickserv comand 21:28:47 <LSky`> -> /authserv auth OpenTTD 1nqsJgCk 21:28:53 <Brianetta> that won't work 21:28:56 <LSky`> =\ 21:29:12 <Brianetta> / is something that IRC clients add for users 21:29:15 <LSky`> just NICKSERV name pwf? 21:29:19 <LSky`> pwd 21:29:23 <Brianetta> try AUTHSERV 21:29:26 <LSky`> ah ok 21:29:40 <Brianetta> or PRIVMSG AUTHSERV :auth OpenTTD 1nqsJgCk 21:29:52 <Brianetta> One of those might work 21:30:01 <Brianetta> try AUTHSERV first 21:30:18 <Brianetta> AUTHSERV auth blah blah 21:30:23 *** ThePizzaKing_ [~thepizzak@c211-28-156-80.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 21:32:40 <LSky`> how many times is it supposed to spam that message to me? 21:33:04 <Brianetta> until it stops being kicked off 21:33:17 <Brianetta> kill it, and adjust the nickserv setting 21:33:20 <Brianetta> then try again 21:33:21 <LSky`> it also said, game is already paused 21:33:40 <Brianetta> yes, the game pauses, then the first auto-recount kicks in within a few milliseconds 21:33:43 <Brianetta> Nothing to worry about 21:35:18 <LSky`> dammit 21:35:56 <LSky`> could it be case sensetive 21:36:37 <LSky`> probably not 21:36:46 <Brianetta> it might be 21:36:59 <Brianetta> try a regular authserv command without the / 21:37:04 <Brianetta> the / is NEVER going to work 21:37:31 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-156-80.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:37:51 <Brianetta> authserv AUTH <account name> <password> 21:37:55 <Brianetta> according to their website 21:38:08 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC5A2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:38:09 <LSky`> i use authserv cookie 21:38:10 <LSky`> myself 21:38:13 <Brianetta> but their screenshot shows it in lowercase, too 21:38:23 <Brianetta> cookie? 21:38:28 <Brianetta> IRC doesn't do cookies 21:38:33 <LSky`> ill try lowercase first 21:38:43 <LSky`> well it works for my account 21:39:26 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r6912 /trunk/ (7 files in 2 dirs): - Feature: Show a list of cargo types that a vehicle is refittable to in the purchase information window. (mart3p) 21:41:29 <LSky`> doh 21:41:32 <LSky`> still doesnt work 21:43:36 <Sacro> evening ladies 21:43:45 <LSky`> hi 21:43:52 <Brianetta> LSky`: Commentit out for now 21:44:00 <LSky`> yea 21:44:06 <LSky`> irc bot isnt that important 21:44:24 <glx> just set use_irc to no then 21:44:28 <LSky`> and i should stop trying to auth or my IP might get G-lined :p 21:44:34 <Brianetta> no 21:44:39 <Brianetta> just comment out the nivckserv command 21:44:49 <LSky`> as in? 21:44:52 <Brianetta> stick a # in front 21:44:55 <LSky`> ok 21:45:01 <Brianetta> or set it to a blank value 21:45:11 <LSky`> i can Op the bot anyway 21:47:37 <LSky`> still spams the "connected to irc" message :\ 21:48:22 <Brianetta> hmm 21:48:37 <Brianetta> I had this problem once 21:52:21 <Brianetta> hmm 21:52:34 <Brianetta> is the nick already in use? 21:52:41 <Brianetta> try changin gthe player_name setting 21:52:49 <LSky`> no 21:52:57 <LSky`> i just changed my own name 21:52:59 <LSky`> it worked 21:53:02 <Brianetta> What nick is it using? 21:53:11 <LSky`> hold on 21:53:30 <LSky`> where do i set the nickname 21:53:41 <Brianetta> try changing the player_name setting 21:53:45 <LSky`> ah yes 21:53:49 <LSky`> does that work for irc? 21:53:50 *** nitrofx [~NNSCRIPT@h8441228005.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has joined #openttd 21:53:56 <Brianetta> yes 21:54:03 <Brianetta> that's where it gets its name from 21:54:08 <Brianetta> both in game and on IRC 21:56:13 <LSky`> same error :\ 21:56:48 <LSky`> the player_name nickname isnt used on the IRC server 21:57:43 <LSky`> isnt irc_user the IRC nickname variable? 21:57:48 <Brianetta> no 21:57:50 <Brianetta> it's the user 21:58:04 <Brianetta> [22:57] --- [Brianetta] (~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk) : Brian Ronald 21:58:08 <Brianetta> In my case, it's brian 21:58:33 <LSky`> i see 21:58:35 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-172-178.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:59:18 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-70-60.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 21:59:34 <Sacro> BobingAbout! 21:59:41 <BobingAbout> what? 22:00:03 <Sacro> hello! 22:00:13 <BobingAbout> hi 22:00:13 <LSky`> would it help to open the IRC port on my router? 22:00:23 <LSky`> 6667? 22:00:24 <BobingAbout> i'd say yes 22:00:42 <LSky`> no you wouldnt say that BobingAbout ! 22:00:50 <LSky`> you would say, "No you!" 22:01:13 <KUDr> LSky`: only if you want to run your own IRC server 22:01:14 <Sacro> LSky`: it shouldnt matter... its an outgoing port 22:01:18 <LSky`> lol. 22:01:22 <LSky`> okay 22:02:14 <LSky`> irc_server = irc.eu.gamesurge.net 22:02:15 <LSky`> irc_port = 6667 22:02:15 <LSky`> irc_user = OpenTTD 22:02:15 <LSky`> irc_channel = #fsclan 22:02:15 <LSky`> irc_bridge = 1 22:02:15 <LSky`> irc_explicit_say = no 22:02:17 <LSky`> irc_rcon = yes 22:02:17 <LSky`> irc_nickserv = authserv AUTH 22:02:29 <LSky`> that last line being followed by the name and password 22:02:36 <Brianetta> looks good 22:02:44 <Brianetta> wait 22:02:52 <Brianetta> make the username all lower case 22:04:21 <LSky`> dammit =( 22:04:32 <LSky`> no difference 22:06:25 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-172-178.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference] 22:07:29 <LSky`> Brianetta , is the number of MOTD's fixed? 22:07:33 <Brianetta> yes 22:07:36 <LSky`> ok 22:07:55 <Brianetta> LSky`: What's your player name 22:08:02 <Brianetta> your server's player name 22:08:08 <LSky`> OpenTTD 22:08:12 <Brianetta> change that 22:08:14 <Brianetta> lower case only 22:09:53 <peter1138> nii 22:09:58 <LSky`> hmm 22:09:58 <peter1138> +n, somewhere 22:10:03 <LSky`> no weird messaged yet 22:10:30 <Brianetta> long delay for identd scan, by the look of it 22:10:41 <LSky`> doneclientcount 22:10:42 <Brianetta> I wish IRC administrators would learn that there's no value in that 22:10:52 <Brianetta> and that the RFCs actually discourage it 22:11:24 <LSky`> that explains why the bot isnt in the channel yet right? 22:11:28 <Brianetta> hmm 22:11:30 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-189-185.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 22:11:32 <Brianetta> /whois it 22:12:03 <LSky`> no such nick :\ 22:12:06 <Sacro> mmm, peanuts 22:14:12 <LSky`> the server seems to be running 22:14:18 <Brianetta> it will be 22:14:18 <LSky`> but no sign of the irc bot 22:14:25 <nitrofx> LSky`: maybe you could try using a packet sniffer to determine where it gets stuck 22:14:31 <LSky`> [NL]MiniIN r6500/NewGRFs 22:14:31 <LSky`> 213.51.231.207 0 / 10 0 / 8 r6500-MiniIN 22:15:33 <Sacro> MiniIN? 22:15:48 * Sacro thinks about finally having a MiniIN server 22:15:51 <LSky`> nitrofx , come over and do that yourself =) 22:16:24 <nitrofx> hehe 22:16:34 <nitrofx> it's raining outside :P 22:16:35 <LSky`> last bus leaves in 14 minutes if im not mistaken 22:17:11 <LSky`> 00:33 22:17:19 <LSky`> 16 minutes :D 22:17:42 <LSky`> you can still catch that one 22:17:57 <Darkvater> 'ello 22:18:20 <Sacro> D to the V :D 22:18:44 <LSky`> platform P nitrofx 22:19:09 <nitrofx> i think there is an easier solution to your problem 22:19:14 <LSky`> :D 22:19:17 <Sacro> beer... 22:19:34 <nitrofx> maybe brianetta can mod the script to it dumps the communication with the irc server 22:20:20 <Brianetta> try running it in debug mode 22:20:35 <Brianetta> I can't dump communication 22:20:47 <Brianetta> it's event based and abstracted to a library that I didn't write 22:21:24 <LSky`> hmm 22:21:33 <LSky`> i only got the message twice now 22:21:41 <LSky`> and those were not the last ones 22:22:15 <nitrofx> a library written in tcl? 22:22:18 <LSky`> yus! 22:22:27 <LSky`> now it only needs to join the channel 22:23:29 <LSky`> should i Op the bot in advance? 22:23:35 <LSky`> give it channel access? 22:23:47 <LSky`> it should be able to join the channel without that 22:24:03 <Bjarni> <peter1138> especially when bjarni buts widgets in random orders <-- I do? 22:24:33 <Bjarni> I don't think so 22:24:45 <LSky`> Brianetta , are there any command so that i can contrl that irc bot? 22:24:54 <LSky`> like, have it join the another channel? 22:25:05 <LSky`> its on the IRC server, but thats about all it does 22:26:01 <Brianetta> you can only make it join its own channel 22:26:05 <Brianetta> invite it 22:26:12 <Bjarni> well, there was a little in the autoreplace window, but it was not random. It was placing train specific widgets in the end, so buttons like "start replacing" would have the same ID 22:26:33 <Bjarni> I got plans to fix that, but I will finish the build window first 22:26:43 <Bjarni> and before I do that, I need to get more coding time 22:27:12 <Darkvater> and fix up the depot window and think about 'autoreplace now in depot' 22:27:58 <LSky`> yes thta worked, thanks Brianetta 22:40:11 <LSky`> great, it all works now! 22:43:48 <Bjarni> <Darkvater> and fix up the depot window and think about 'autoreplace now in depot' <-- I have been thinking about it and since the current behaviour was a request, I will stick to it for now. I got some long term ideas for improvements, but it will need time and I'm busy with non-OpenTTD stuff at the moment 22:43:49 *** lws|Away is now known as lws|1984 22:44:10 <Bjarni> oh, is it 1984 already? 22:44:45 <Bjarni> damn, I spent too much time trying to figure out this computer and that damn tape drive 22:44:59 <LSky`> Brianetta , can i have irc bot say what people say in the server? 22:45:11 <lws|1984> Bjarni: no, it's 1845 :p 22:48:06 <Wolf01> gn 22:48:12 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host197-236-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 22:52:04 *** jez [willow@cpc3-stkn4-0-0-cust630.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 22:57:07 <LSky`> im guessing r6864 isnt ready yet? 22:59:32 <LSky`> ah well, ima call it quits for today 22:59:36 <LSky`> goodnight all 23:00:09 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 23:02:35 *** LSky` [~hixscript@cc103898-a.roden1.dr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: [ HIX-Script v2.2 ]:::[ Download from ]:::[ www.rupertonline.ca/hix/ ]:::[] 23:13:42 <Darkvater> gn all 23:13:45 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 23:22:56 <Bjarni> btw about yesterday, somebody was talking about if I died and then I joined the channel 23:23:37 <Bjarni> later I realised how great it would have been if I had done as I thought about earlier that day because that was to join the channel, say "I'm not dead" and then leave again 23:23:51 <Born_Acorn> So. Anyway, if Bjarni died, we'd need to blow up a TTDPatch developer to compensate. 23:24:07 <Born_Acorn> :p 23:24:12 <smeding> hi. 23:24:25 <Bjarni> the timing would have been perfect 23:24:35 * smeding notes he says hi a lot but does not contribute to the conversation in any way 23:24:50 <Sacro> smeding: heh, same goes for a lot of people in here 23:25:09 <smeding> 's fun though :> 23:25:13 <Bjarni> I mean, I had been gone for 4 days and some hours and I was close to do that at a totally random time, which happened to be just after somebody talked about my absent and if I died 23:25:25 <smeding> anyway, i'm quite inactive when it comes to openttd 23:25:49 <smeding> my friend finally returned the CD but the computer sucks so i get lag with any map larger than 256x256 23:26:52 <Sacro> hmm 23:27:33 <smeding> as for people thinking you're dead, i had a doctor's appointment once, and i told noone at school about it, and people thought i was dead for some reason 23:28:39 <Bjarni> well, you did go to a guy in white cloth, who works with life and death 23:29:04 <smeding> i don't see the relation with death 23:29:16 <Bjarni> maybe your doctor is good then 23:29:19 <smeding> (well, i do, but it does not follow my beliefs - or lack thereof) 23:29:52 <Bjarni> you are following a false doctor? 23:29:58 <Bjarni> :p 23:30:23 <Bjarni> ok, it was a joke, and not the best one, but still a joke 23:30:48 <Bjarni> and it appeared to be the best reply at the moment ;) 23:33:58 *** ThePizzaKing_ is now known as ThePizzaKing 23:39:55 <smeding> hah 23:40:09 *** nitrofx [~NNSCRIPT@h8441228005.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )] 23:46:21 <Bjarni> http://www.qdb.us/14260 <--- hehehe, that reminds me 23:47:18 <Bjarni> at one time I saw a sign on the toilet door in a train that the door was locked and somebody had written "can't open from the inside" on it 23:47:58 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish] 23:48:07 <Sacro> lol 23:48:15 <Bjarni> and the wall panel over the door was missing, so it was clear that at one time somebody had been stuck out there and they had taken the train apart to take off the door to get that person out 23:48:31 <amix> first night that Habbo Hotel closes during the night 23:48:33 <amix> ;) 23:49:23 <Bjarni> amix: ? 23:50:04 <Sacro> heh, not been in there for a long time 23:50:17 <Bjarni> imagine being on a train toilet and you can't open the door and the train crew arrives and they can't unlock the door either, so they have to call some technicians to take the train apart 23:50:37 <Neonox> Bjarni: could be funny :)) 23:50:43 <amix> Bjarni: i work for habbo hotel 23:50:55 <amix> its an online game for young kids 23:50:55 <Bjarni> amix: ahh 23:51:02 <Bjarni> never heard of it 23:51:07 <amix> oldskool gfx 23:51:29 <amix> we earn money on people buying furniture etc 23:51:34 <amix> for their rooms etc 23:51:49 <amix> its in over 40 countries now 23:52:10 <Neonox> and that is all? buy furniture? 23:52:46 <Sacro> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvXqphJzIXA :D 23:53:01 <Bjarni> kids online game. How many of them are grown men looking for contact with the other users? 23:53:01 <amix> well, you can walk arround also 23:53:05 <amix> which is free 23:54:45 <Bjarni> the other day two 13 year olds had a chat and they exchanged phonenumbers and one of them send an SMS to the other one calling him a pervert. He then showed it to his parents, who reported the incident to the police 23:54:56 <Bjarni> they both thought the other one was a pedophile 23:55:24 <Bjarni> you have to be aware of issues like that when you make online stuff for kids 23:55:52 <Bjarni> amix: so you did a whole lot to keep your users safe, right? 23:56:10 <amix> thats a really great show Sacro 23:56:23 <amix> Bjarni: i am a moderator 23:56:37 <amix> censoring the kids from writing sexual stuff etc 23:56:39 <Sacro> amix: i know :o 23:56:40 <Sacro> :p 23:56:54 <amix> nice model 23:57:01 <Sacro> i used to go in habbo, but i got fed up with idiots on shout all the time 23:57:02 <amix> but how do they change the faces 23:57:07 <amix> thats a mystery to me 23:57:23 <Bjarni> Sacro: hehe, nice one 23:57:29 <Bjarni> but I have seen it before 23:57:38 <Sacro> "Thomas Futurama" 23:58:20 <Sacro> :o dirty objects... thats a classic episode 23:59:39 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-70-60.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Quit: bin wech....]