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BUT IT'S WRONG !] 03:06:24 <amix> played openttd until now 03:06:26 <amix> hehe 03:06:40 <amix> when server stopped, the game crashed on osx 03:14:40 <CIA-1> glx * r6944 /branches/MiniIN/ (112 files in 9 dirs): [MiniIN] -Sync with trunk r6741:r6800 03:18:57 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:19:11 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:37:39 *** xyz [~ss@bas2-montreal02-1096717865.dsl.bell.ca] has left #openttd [] 03:43:48 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-144-216.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 04:00:53 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has joined #openttd 04:08:52 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:26:10 <CIA-1> rubidium * r6945 /branches/MiniIN/ (91 files in 6 dirs): [MiniIN]: -Sync with trunk r6800:r6909 04:36:42 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-144-216.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:37:17 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]] 04:40:12 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:41:58 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-144-216.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 04:43:21 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 04:52:55 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B3750C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 05:49:58 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 06:05:09 <Celestar> morning 06:05:46 <Tron> mornign 06:05:51 <Tron> s/gn/ng/ 06:06:59 <peter1138> morning indeed 06:16:13 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]] 06:27:46 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-140-089.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 06:40:45 <Celestar> so 06:40:58 * Celestar goes digging the code 06:44:12 * Celestar is wondering why DrawBridgeMiddle is in bridge_map.h :o 06:50:38 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@82-43-56-32.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 06:53:40 <Celestar> ok 06:53:51 * Celestar is finally ripping apart MP_TUNNELBRIDGE 06:58:19 <Celestar> Darkvater: ping 07:04:15 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 07:16:48 *** dp-_ [~dp@p54B2D0AB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:19:27 *** dp- [~dp@p54B2D259.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:32:45 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:44:45 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/grfgui/11.png 07:48:05 <peter1138> hmm 07:48:06 <peter1138> $ ./openttd -g save/test.sav 07:48:06 <peter1138> Error: Couldn't find GRF 504E0001. 07:48:12 <peter1138> need to save the filename, i guess 07:54:57 <peter1138> oh yes, i better go to work 07:57:42 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D8F1.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:01:07 *** mucht_ [~mucht@p57A0EB4F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:06:57 *** Mucht|zZz [~mucht@p57A0D816.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:14:27 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE6A.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 08:15:34 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has joined #openttd 08:15:36 <Celestar> back 08:16:49 <peter1138> mr 'star 08:19:48 *** amix [~AmiXoamip@202.80-203-43.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:35:41 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:36:24 <Celestar> :) 08:37:38 *** mikl [~mikl@port283.ds1-hl.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 08:54:12 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-211-161.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 08:55:53 *** MaulingMonkey_iBook [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 08:59:01 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC5DD9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:02:07 *** Sacroirrsi [~ben@adsl-83-100-211-161.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 09:02:15 <Sacroirrsi> right... now how to add another server 09:02:29 <Sacroirrsi> help 09:03:34 *** Sacroirrsi [~ben@adsl-83-100-211-161.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 09:05:05 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-211-161.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:05:41 <Celestar> ? 09:05:44 <Celestar> another server? 09:09:52 *** Sacroirrsi [~ben@adsl-83-100-211-161.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 09:09:56 <Celestar> another server? 09:13:41 *** LSky` [~hixscript@cc103898-a.roden1.dr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 09:13:43 <LSky`> morning 09:14:06 <Celestar> hello 09:23:38 <LSky`> quiet here this morning 09:24:46 *** Trenskow [~outlet@80.251.195.1] has joined #openttd 09:25:00 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:25:02 *** MaulingMonkey_iBook [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: MaulingMonkey_iBook] 09:26:48 *** Trenskow [~outlet@80.251.195.1] has quit [] 09:40:52 *** LSky` [~hixscript@cc103898-a.roden1.dr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: [ HIX-Script v2.2 ]:::[ Download from ]:::[ www.rupertonline.ca/hix/ ]:::[] 09:50:55 *** Nigel_ [~Nigel@202-154-144-216.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 09:55:32 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-236-127.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 09:57:00 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-144-216.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:08:58 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:10:21 *** LSky` [~hixscript@cc103898-a.roden1.dr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 10:13:59 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 10:13:59 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 10:16:35 *** Nigel_ [~Nigel@202-154-144-216.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:20:34 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-144-216.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 10:23:44 <Darkvater> morning 10:23:49 <Darkvater> peter1138: I solved me crash :) 10:24:11 <Darkvater> peter1138: I should actually pay attention to the return value of FillDrawPixelInfo :p 10:24:14 <Darkvater> Celestar: pong 10:24:20 <Darkvater> Sacroirrsi: what ARE you talking about? 10:24:31 <Darkvater> ok, anyone else? 10:26:24 *** anboni_ [daemon@ivory.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:26:44 <peter1138> yes, i saw :P 10:26:59 <peter1138> under which conditions does it return false? 10:27:08 <peter1138> (i could read it, but i cba...) 10:28:13 <Darkvater> well I am not an expert on _cur_dpi but I think it has to do with the rectangle currently being redrawn 10:28:16 <Darkvater> or something 10:28:16 <peter1138> yeah 10:28:18 <peter1138> looks like it 10:28:48 <Darkvater> so if that does fall inside the editbox as a whole, but the (sub)-clipping area I want from it falls outside it returns false 10:29:04 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/grfgui/11.png :D 10:29:06 <Darkvater> at least that's my theory 10:29:19 <peter1138> but you don't need to draw it anyway, so it doesn't matter :) 10:29:38 <Darkvater> eg just look at the console, about 80% of the WE_PAINT events actually result in no drawing cause the _cur_dpi is somewhere else 10:29:39 <peter1138> i need a decent place for that button 10:29:46 <Darkvater> peter1138: well yeah if it's false I return 10:29:52 <Darkvater> but I didn't check it before ;p 10:29:56 * peter1138 tuts 10:30:05 <peter1138> comment the function ;p 10:30:08 <Darkvater> 'that button'? 10:30:11 <Darkvater> all 4 buttons :) 10:30:14 <Darkvater> already did 10:30:19 <peter1138> newgrf settings button in the mp window 10:30:35 <Darkvater> ah that...definitely give it a normal colour :) 10:30:37 <peter1138> the 4 buttons are positioned like the settings window, for some reason which i can't remember 10:30:45 <peter1138> the colour's been sorted :P 10:30:54 <Darkvater> hmm 10:31:06 <Darkvater> what about adding an additional line below Map size 10:31:19 <Darkvater> which says: 'Using newgrf: yes/no' and then eh 10:31:36 <peter1138> "Using newgrf: yes/no EH" 10:31:38 <Darkvater> eh... some button there or soming 10:32:11 <Darkvater> 'NewGRF details: N/A / click here for porn!' 10:32:17 <Darkvater> donnu bitchy window 10:32:36 <Darkvater> /** Set up a clipping area for only drawing into a certain area. To do this, * Fill a DrawPixelInfo object with the supplied relative rectangle, backup * the original (calling) _cur_dpi and assign the just returned DrawPixelInfo 10:32:40 <Darkvater> * _cur_dpi. When you are done, give restore _cur_dpi's original value 10:32:43 <Darkvater> * @param *n the DrawPixelInfo that will be the clipping rectangle box allowed 10:32:43 <Darkvater> * for drawing 10:32:43 <Darkvater> * @param left,top,width,height the relative coordinates of the clipping 10:32:43 <Darkvater> * rectangle relative to the current _cur_dpi. This will most likely be the 10:32:44 <Darkvater> * offset from the calling window coordinates 10:32:48 <Darkvater> * @return return false if the requested rectangle is not possible with the 10:32:48 <Darkvater> * current dpi pointer. Only continue of the return value is true, or you'll 10:32:48 <Darkvater> * get some nasty results */ 10:32:55 <Darkvater> that's zhe comment 10:33:08 <Nigel> Darkvater, how about pasting the whole source here? 10:33:10 <Darkvater> is it too stupid? 10:33:11 <Nigel> ;) 10:33:15 <Darkvater> Nigel: too lazy 10:33:50 <Darkvater> hmm so how do I profile from withing vs2005 itself 10:55:00 *** Tron_ [EERXUiMa@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #openttd 10:56:12 <Darkvater> Purno: sorry man... in advance 10:57:17 <peter1138> hmm? 10:58:19 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 10:59:15 <peter1138> egladil: how does the 32bpp stuff work with custom graphics, as opposed to replacing standard graphics? 11:02:16 <Purno> Darkvater , huh? sorry for what? 11:03:21 <Darkvater> Purno: TE GUI thread 11:03:23 * Darkvater hides 11:03:30 <Purno> Aye, I just noticed... 11:03:45 <Purno> so, it's the colors and the fact it's big? 11:04:25 <Darkvater> both 11:04:34 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Saab'd!] 11:04:44 <Purno> colors are relatively easy to adjust, what do you suggest as colors? 11:04:48 <Darkvater> the colours are the lesser problem since those can be easily changed 11:04:57 <Purno> Aye 11:05:16 <peter1138> hey, i recognise those climates ;p 11:05:16 <Darkvater> but the 'riveted' border around the buttons..it's just like the mars scenario 11:05:26 <Darkvater> s/the/a/ 11:05:28 <peter1138> it looks a bit 1993 11:05:33 <Purno> hmm... 11:06:17 <Darkvater> Purno: I think you need more neutral colours, but I do not exactly know how you guys want the game to look like 11:06:35 <Purno> Darkvater , AFAIK, we don't know that either. :P 11:06:49 <Darkvater> :) 11:08:16 <Darkvater> it's a lot easier flaming people than to give good suggestions I know 11:11:46 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-236-127.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Quit: bin wech....] 11:13:09 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:19:31 <Darkvater> bb later 11:36:14 <Purno> Darkvater : http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=510635#510635 <-- check that out if you get back :) 11:48:27 <roboboy> gnight 11:49:22 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Roger the Sloth is leaving the building. 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(mart3p) 13:38:52 <Celestar> hi 13:39:59 <Brianetta> hi 13:56:30 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-211-161.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:57:51 *** Sacroirrsi [~ben@adsl-83-100-211-161.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:58:17 <Sacro> Darkvater: i was trying to get irssi to connect to both quakenet and oftc 13:58:42 <peter1138> that's not hard 13:58:50 <Sacro> peter1138: go on then... 13:58:57 <Sacro> every time i do /server it joins the other 13:59:14 <peter1138> try /connect :P 13:59:54 <Sacro> and how do you change windows? 14:00:21 *** Sacroirrsi [~ben@adsl-83-100-211-161.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:00:49 <peter1138> long method: /window n 14:01:04 <peter1138> short method: esc-n 14:01:11 <Sacroirrsi> oooh, i see 14:01:14 <peter1138> or alt+n 14:01:16 * XeryusTC has a nice bug report for you guys 14:01:22 <Sacroirrsi> :D i figured it 14:01:32 *** Sacroirrsi [~ben@adsl-83-100-211-161.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 14:10:35 *** Progman [~progman@p5091E79C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:12:33 *** xyz [~ss@bas2-montreal02-1167853654.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:32:27 <Darkvater> Purno: much better, colour wise. Although the 'borders' on the widgets really don't fit imho 14:32:46 <Purno> widgets? 14:33:04 <Darkvater> well the buttons, scrollbars, etc 14:33:12 <Darkvater> each element is a widget 14:34:26 <Purno> ok 14:36:26 <Brianetta> Darkvater: You have a very narrow view of interfaces, though (: 14:37:20 <Darkvater> how so? 14:37:44 <Brianetta> Well, you don;t like chunky bits 14:37:54 <Brianetta> and you think changing a 10 year old interface is bad in principle 14:38:30 <Darkvater> Brianetta: well, do you? 14:38:38 <Brianetta> which? 14:38:46 <Brianetta> I have a chunky theme in Gnome (: 14:38:47 <Darkvater> the first especially 14:38:52 <Brianetta> Toolbox 14:38:56 <Brianetta> Have a google for that 14:39:09 <Brianetta> It has rivets and everything 14:39:53 <Sacro> http://art.gnome.org/themes/gtk2/728 14:40:04 <Darkvater> the second: imho with a game this familiar you do not want radical gui changes 14:40:18 <Darkvater> well except for the 32bpp rewrite with some concepts, but not with the old-styles 14:40:23 <Brianetta> What? Just because it's been awful for a decade doesn't mean it should be left alone 14:40:50 <Darkvater> Brianetta: you are talking about the ONE rivet for the scrollbar? 14:40:56 <Brianetta> If my Linux interface hadn't changes in 10 years I'd still be struggling with fvwm in X, and reverting to the shell for everything 14:41:08 <Darkvater> you are trying to compare this with the TE wips? 14:41:09 <Darkvater> lol 14:41:24 <Darkvater> this is a game, not an OS 14:41:28 <Brianetta> Mine has three rows odf rivets inthe title bars 14:41:38 <Brianetta> It's an interface. 14:41:41 <Darkvater> moreover it is still supposedly a 'clone' of the original game 14:41:43 <Brianetta> Doesn't matter what it's an interface for 14:42:00 <Brianetta> It's no clone 14:42:04 <Brianetta> it's a derrivative work 14:42:09 <Darkvater> and gnome-toolbox doesn't have huge 'riveted borders' around each element 14:42:21 <Brianetta> More's the pity 14:43:21 <Brianetta> That big-bordered shot int he TE forum looks more like OpenLook 14:43:46 <Darkvater> of course everyone has his/her own view of an interface 14:44:26 <Brianetta> yes 14:44:31 <Brianetta> I just said yours was narrow 14:45:46 <Darkvater> you make it sound bad :) 14:46:16 <Darkvater> if the look is too broad you can bet on it that a big percentage of the user group will not like it 14:46:19 <Brianetta> Well, you were rather vehement in your opinion of teh TE mock-ups 14:46:29 <Brianetta> I thought they looked fab 14:46:43 <Brianetta> It's not the look that's broad 14:46:49 <Brianetta> it's the tolerance of those judging 14:48:35 <Darkvater> style and taste 14:49:10 <hylje> oh wow 14:50:00 <hylje> scriptable and moddable interface for ottd? 14:50:02 <hylje> please? 14:52:40 * Brianetta places bids on two slide rules 14:53:34 <smeding> nice 14:53:55 <smeding> slide rules seemed pretty easy to use 14:55:00 <Brianetta> They are 14:55:19 <hylje> slide rules? 14:55:31 <Brianetta> http://www.sphere.bc.ca/test/build.html 14:55:39 <Brianetta> See a slide rule that I designed and built 14:55:58 <Brianetta> and then scroll down for one by a Spanish guy that puts mine to shame )-: 14:56:42 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:57:21 <Darkvater> he dmusic used 25% of the cpu 14:57:25 <hylje> oh wow. 14:58:11 <Darkvater> and just as KUDr showed, CallVehicleTicks and GfxBlitTileZoomIn are the slowest funcs 14:58:15 <Darkvater> 11/12% each 15:01:33 *** mikl [~mikl@port283.ds1-hl.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: In the end, all that matters is your relation with God...] 15:05:33 <Purno> Darkvater , http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=510705#510705 15:06:14 <Darkvater> better, better :) 15:08:14 <Brianetta> http://www.okcupid.com/profile?u=brianetta 15:08:16 <Brianetta> Aaaargh! 15:09:27 <Noldo> hihi 15:10:02 <Purno> heh 15:20:23 *** xyz [~ss@bas2-montreal02-1167853654.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 15:20:32 *** xyz [~ss@bas2-montreal02-1167853654.dsl.bell.ca] has left #openttd [] 15:25:41 <peter1138> CallVehicleTicks isn't slow 15:25:45 <peter1138> it hardly does anything :) 15:26:29 *** Progman [~progman@p5091E79C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:31:11 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 15:41:43 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-087-94-051-126.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 15:45:16 *** Progman [~progman@p5091E79C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:48:26 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-92.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 15:56:00 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 16:11:32 *** Spoco- [~Spoco@dsl-087-94-050-169.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 16:13:32 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-133-251.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:16:52 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-92.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:17:37 <BobingAbout> hi 16:18:35 <peter1138> bob'd 16:18:58 <Born_Acorn> peter1138! 16:20:11 <peter1138> http://www.tt-forums.net//files/start_sync_test_154.png 16:20:14 <peter1138> what kind of shit is that? 16:20:20 <BobingAbout> i havn't had much time to work on the newsignals definitions recently 16:20:23 <peter1138> Born_Acorn: ploppable! 16:21:00 <Born_Acorn> Ploppable Buildings! 16:21:09 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 16:21:37 <Born_Acorn> peter1138, You should code in some things to prevent that kind of thing. :p 16:21:51 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:21:58 <BobingAbout> i have no idea whats happening there 16:22:05 <BobingAbout> also, i'm kinda new at coding 16:22:18 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c16.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:22:20 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 16:22:45 <Bjarni> greetings morons 16:22:49 <peter1138> Born_Acorn: like what? 16:23:11 <Born_Acorn> Like preventing detection across different railtypes. :p 16:23:27 <peter1138> hmm 16:23:29 <BobingAbout> i see 16:23:35 <peter1138> yeah, that'll piss off people 16:23:37 <peter1138> excellent :) 16:23:38 <BobingAbout> but people use that for complex signalling 16:23:40 <Eddi|zuHause3> it would not actually change anything if that wereall normal rails 16:23:47 * Bjarni slaps Sacro 16:26:51 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host7-239-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 16:28:17 <Brianetta> Complex signalling is so unrealistic. 16:28:28 <BobingAbout> lol 16:28:50 <Wolf01> good evening 16:29:10 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2Eat 16:29:26 <Bjarni> Brianetta: what do you mean? 16:29:33 <Bjarni> how can they be unrealistic? 16:29:51 <BobingAbout> the way people make priority signals and all that stuff 16:29:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> have you looked at the picture? 16:30:11 <peter1138> Bjarni: http://www.tt-forums.net//files/start_sync_test_154.png 16:30:13 <peter1138> that pic 16:30:21 <Brianetta> Bjarni: What's unrealistic is laying additional never-travelled tracks to communicate signal states. 16:30:49 <BobingAbout> yes 16:31:01 <peter1138> i want my default-red signals 16:31:10 <BobingAbout> thats 1 reason why i want signal type8 to be preority signals :P 16:31:29 <Bjarni> ahh like that 16:31:40 <Born_Acorn> Lets make monorail and maglev tracks cost £4000 a minute to run. 16:31:48 <Born_Acorn> That'll stop it, surely! 16:31:48 <BobingAbout> default red signals sounds cool, but complex :P 16:32:01 <Brianetta> BobingAbout: Far from it. 16:32:02 <peter1138> yeah, like when should it turn green? 16:32:04 <Born_Acorn> It will prevent those "I can't upgrade allz my trains" 16:32:06 <Brianetta> Well, you're half right 16:32:06 <peter1138> complex stuff 16:32:08 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, we should "encourage" KUDr *hits fist into other hand* 16:32:10 <Brianetta> They're certainly cool 16:32:16 <peter1138> actually 16:32:20 <peter1138> when should it turn green? 16:32:34 <Brianetta> peter1138: When a train has asked the pethfinder to reserve a path for it 16:32:34 <Bjarni> SimuTrans got always red signals and they can only turn green when a train is like 3 tiles away or less and wants to pass and it's clear to pass 16:32:43 <Born_Acorn> When there's a train in front and behind it. 16:32:53 <Born_Acorn> boom 16:32:57 <peter1138> simutrans has that? hmm 16:33:21 <BobingAbout> would screw with the path finder a bit 16:33:29 <Eddi|zuHause3> according to the concept that has been floating around, a train reserves a path of 2*breaking distance in advance 16:33:30 <Brianetta> BobingAbout: No, it wouldn't 16:33:33 <Bjarni> also SimuTrans got some sort of PBS so it can manage to have more than one train in a block by default 16:33:35 <Born_Acorn> Simutrans has cargo destinations too, should we copy that? eh? eh? 16:33:39 <peter1138> Born_Acorn: yes 16:33:47 <Eddi|zuHause3> and if that path hits a signal, it changes to green if applicable 16:33:47 <Bjarni> Born_Acorn: yes 16:34:01 <Brianetta> Simutrans builds too much track at junctions. 16:34:02 <Naksu> simutrans also has the most horrible graphics in a 32bit game yet 16:34:02 <peter1138> hmm, and yellow? 16:34:03 <Eddi|zuHause3> there should be not much problem with the pathfinder 16:34:13 <Brianetta> peter1138: Future project #2 16:34:17 <Born_Acorn> Simutrans has just jumped off a cliff! Should we copy that too? eh? eh? 16:34:26 <peter1138> cliffs! yes 16:34:31 <Bjarni> Born_Acorn: yes 16:34:37 <Eddi|zuHause3> you just have to pathfind the next path from the end of the reserved path, instead of from the engine 16:34:43 <Born_Acorn> Simutrans has just put it's hand in a fire! Should we copy that too? eh? eh? 16:34:52 <peter1138> fire! good for steam! 16:34:56 <Eddi|zuHause3> so the pathfinder has not actually anything to do with that path 16:34:57 <peter1138> yes! 16:34:59 <Bjarni> Born_Acorn: now that's just silly 16:35:18 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.143.73] has joined #openttd 16:35:27 <Born_Acorn> Simutrans has civilian cars and passengers walking around! Should we copy that too? eh? eh? 16:35:30 <Brianetta> I'm off camping! 16:35:37 <Born_Acorn> Brianetta is camp! 16:35:45 <Brianetta> In a tent in the wind! 16:35:50 * Bjarni flames Born_Acorn 16:35:50 <peter1138> no 16:35:51 <Brianetta> On a hill!In the rain! 16:35:52 <Purno> in the back garden? 16:35:55 <Purno> ah 16:35:56 <peter1138> that's dumb 16:36:00 <Brianetta> Thanks, man (: 16:36:09 <Bjarni> MoH players hates campers 16:36:09 <Purno> well, at least he has a tent in the rain... 16:36:18 <Brianetta> I have to go 16:36:20 <Born_Acorn> Umbrellas are better. 16:36:21 <BobingAbout> i slept through a thunderstorm in a tent once 16:36:27 <Purno> bleh 16:36:29 <Born_Acorn> A tent made from umbrellas. 16:36:30 <Brianetta> I might be back later, but I might not 16:36:31 * Purno hates thunderstorms 16:36:35 <peter1138> i slept through the great storm of 1987 once 16:36:36 <Bjarni> bye Brianetta 16:36:37 <Purno> Brianetta , do come back someday 16:36:37 <Brianetta> thunder++ 16:36:44 <Brianetta> Purno: Tuesday 16:36:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> Umbrella Corp. :) 16:36:50 <Purno> Aye, till then 16:36:51 <Purno> have fun 16:36:58 <Born_Acorn> peter1138, you didn't sleep through the great storm of 1987 twice? or thrice? 16:37:03 <Brianetta> In the meantime, please watch my eBay auctions. If you're feeling kind, outbid me. 16:37:03 <peter1138> no, only once 16:37:08 <Bjarni> let's see how long Helen can keep Brianetta in a tent with nothing to do but talking and touching each other 16:37:10 <Born_Acorn> Poor you. 16:37:19 <Brianetta> Bjarni: Her mother's coming )-: 16:37:27 <Purno> :( 16:37:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> that is bad logistics of yours ;) 16:37:37 <Bjarni> ok, you will be back 16:37:48 <Purno> Brianetta , good luck 16:38:06 <Brianetta> (: 16:38:08 <Brianetta> ttfn 16:38:11 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 16:38:15 * peter1138 ponders this signal thing 16:38:28 <BobingAbout> I'm barely here, because i'm installing windows on my new PC 16:38:36 <Born_Acorn> ponnder ploppable buildings! 16:38:38 <BobingAbout> i installed it yesterday, but it kept crashing and resetting 16:38:40 <peter1138> no! 16:38:42 <Born_Acorn> yes! 16:38:42 <BobingAbout> its going better today 16:38:45 <Born_Acorn> x2! 16:39:09 <CIA-1> glx * r6947 /branches/MiniIN/ (77 files in 5 dirs): [MiniIN] -Sync with trunk r6909:r6946 16:39:37 <BobingAbout> i think it might have something to do with the fact that i never formated my new hard drive, i just did a quickformat, after a full format, its working better 16:39:43 <Eddi|zuHause3> oh, fully synced :) 16:40:12 <glx> yes finally :) 16:40:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> how dare you install windows? 16:40:30 <BobingAbout> I'm a windows user 16:40:54 <BobingAbout> i've assigned 300Gb for windows, and left the rest of the drive (about 85Gb) for linux 16:41:02 <BobingAbout> however, first, i need a copy of linux to install 16:41:26 <BobingAbout> sacro ran off with all my linux stuff 16:41:33 <BobingAbout> which i got from sacro in the first place 16:41:44 <BobingAbout> except that hard drive wasn't his to take 16:42:39 <BobingAbout> hmmm 16:42:56 <BobingAbout> my network card isn't installed yet... it should have installed back when i installed the NF590 16:43:32 <BobingAbout> guess i'll need to re-install the NF500 series drivers again 16:52:23 <BobingAbout> strange, the drivers won't go in for the network game 16:54:16 *** TronBSD [~tron@p54A3F9AD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:55:24 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.143.73] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 16:56:35 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.143.73] has joined #openttd 16:58:28 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3F0DB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:59:13 <Born_Acorn> http://graphics.bornacorn.com/GUI%20Stuff/guiexample.PNG <-- Random Mockup! 16:59:36 <guru3> does the dialog really need a picture? 16:59:50 <Born_Acorn> It's not real. :p 16:59:59 <peter1138> i hope not 16:59:59 <guru3> thankgod 17:00:04 <guru3> because that's a really useless place 17:00:11 <guru3> for a picture of the industry 17:05:23 <Ailure> That's just added bloat 17:05:26 <guru3> yeah 17:05:50 <hylje> :o 17:06:23 <BobingAbout> ergh!!! 17:06:34 <hylje> that picture adds verbosity 17:06:34 <BobingAbout> windows refuses the enable my network ports... 17:06:38 <BobingAbout> and recomendations? 17:06:58 <hylje> if you dont know what the buttons mean, you can push them and then see a power plant: oh, i can build a power plant! 17:07:02 <Ailure> Hit it with an hammer 17:07:09 <hylje> and install ubuntu on it 17:07:18 <Ailure> tried restarting? 17:07:27 <Ailure> I had the whole TCP/IP thing go retarded in Windowsa 17:07:31 <BobingAbout> restarted, re-installed the network card 17:07:40 <Ailure> and acted like there was too many connections 17:07:41 <BobingAbout> there is an error saying: 17:08:06 <BobingAbout> The device cannot find enough free resorces that it can use (code 12) 17:08:20 <peter1138> Born_Acorn: i only hope it's not because it's a pain to code... 17:08:58 * Born_Acorn always likes the impossible 17:09:01 <Born_Acorn> :p 17:09:04 <Born_Acorn> Newparrots! 17:09:18 <hylje> newpirates! 17:09:20 <hylje> arr! 17:10:04 <Ailure> pirated looted my oil tanker 17:10:29 <hylje> yes 17:10:34 <hylje> and train pirates too 17:12:41 <guru3> that'd be a great disaster to add 17:12:45 <guru3> indians rob train 17:13:06 <hylje> yelling "ARRR" 17:13:59 <guru3> it's yarrr 17:14:00 <guru3> not arrr 17:14:03 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.143.73] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 17:14:27 *** Tron_ [EERXUiMa@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:14:28 <hylje> RRRR 17:14:57 <smeding> yarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. 17:14:59 <guru3> Really Random Railroad Robbery 17:16:13 <guru3> or Grand Theft Railroad 17:16:21 <guru3> or does Grand Theft Loco sound better... 17:16:24 <hylje> :D 17:16:27 <hylje> that would own 17:17:22 <peter1138> KUDr! 17:17:32 <KUDr> peter1138? 17:18:02 *** Rens2Eat [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:18:02 <peter1138> cool new path features! 17:18:03 <peter1138> ;) 17:18:22 <KUDr> ? 17:18:52 <KUDr> wats wrong? 17:21:30 <BobingAbout> my new PC is shit 17:25:24 <Sacro> Highlight'd! 17:28:13 <Sacro> BobingAbout: you want linux? i can get you linux... 17:28:34 <BobingAbout> you took my linux, and my harddrive 17:29:04 <Sacro> yep 17:29:10 <Sacro> i might find your harddrive tonight... 17:29:18 <BobingAbout> that would be nice 17:29:23 <peter1138> KUDr: reservation / default red signals / etc 17:29:33 <Sacro> Bjarni: i found an autoreplace bug 17:29:36 <BobingAbout> although being 4Gb, i don't think i can fit much on there, i don't think windows XP would even install on there 17:29:50 <BobingAbout> sacro found a bug, wow 17:29:53 <Sacro> BobingAbout: well i can install linux for you on another parition 17:29:54 <KUDr> peter1138: aha 17:30:01 <Sacro> BobingAbout: download and install Ubuntu 17:30:27 <BobingAbout> i don't think wow is going to work on linux though 17:30:36 <BobingAbout> nor any of my other games 17:30:48 <blathijs> WoW works fine under Cedega, IIRC 17:31:02 <BobingAbout> using SLI? 17:31:02 <blathijs> like a lot of other games 17:31:49 <blathijs> BobingAbout: not sure what SLI support under linux is, but I thought nVidia used the same codebase for linux and windows drivers 17:31:57 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:31:57 <BobingAbout> hmmm 17:32:10 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-141-225-242.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 17:32:15 <BobingAbout> SLI, multiple GPUs working to render 1 picture 17:32:33 <scia> Hello Tash 17:32:36 <blathijs> BobingAbout: though Cedega is not a free app, it costs EUR 5 a month IIRC 17:32:41 <BobingAbout> hi 17:32:51 <blathijs> BobingAbout: yes, I know what SLI is, but I wondered if it was supported under linux 17:32:58 <blathijs> though my sentence was a bit weird ;-) 17:35:02 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:38:46 <hylje> i think SLi is supported in linux 17:40:09 *** TronBSD is now known as Tron 17:40:12 <BobingAbout> its working this time, i just re-installed windows... again 17:40:56 <scia> SLI is just to get people to spend more money on their GFX :p 17:41:06 <hylje> and for people who need that juice 17:41:55 <BobingAbout> juice, i need tha juice! 17:42:15 <BobingAbout> although a twin SLI of £400 is enough, i don't need a quad of £800 17:42:44 <scia> what do you need it for? 17:42:47 <blathijs> They have quad SLI already? 17:43:10 <hylje> yes 17:43:29 <hylje> basically its two of gfx cards housing two sets of chips and mem 17:43:33 <BobingAbout> aye, you get a pair of twin graphics cards, the 7950 is a pair of 7900s, with an onboard PCI-E bridge, and SLI link 17:43:57 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:43:57 <BobingAbout> you can then SLI a pair of these twin cards together 17:44:35 <BobingAbout> and i need it for games 17:45:02 <BobingAbout> i don't have many recent games, i can count them on my fingers, but some have some pretty demanding graphics 17:45:14 <BobingAbout> WoW would do with a single 7900 17:45:22 <BobingAbout> but i have a game that needs more 17:46:53 <BobingAbout> plus this PC i expect to last atleast 3 years, so, maybe if i don't make much use of the power right now, i will do soon 17:55:03 <scia> buy one later then 17:55:08 <scia> they will fall in price 17:55:28 <scia> *the price will fall 17:55:58 <BobingAbout> what, for quad SLI? 17:57:46 <BobingAbout> maybe 17:58:09 <BobingAbout> i have to get the computer working properly first 18:06:12 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176109175.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:07:09 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:09:41 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:10:12 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:20:52 <BobingAbout> its being a pain in the arse, but i'm slowly getting there 18:21:10 * Sacro hunts down BobingAbout 18:21:33 <BobingAbout> for the first time today, all the hardware is installed and functioning 18:24:57 <Bjarni> <Sacro> Bjarni: i found an autoreplace bug <-- you replaced a fast engine to a slow one and wonder why your trains slowed down? 18:25:15 <Sacro> Bjarni: i replaced a single headed train with a dual headed an just got the dual heads 18:25:48 <Bjarni> ? 18:26:00 <hylje> quad SLid locos! 18:26:06 <Sacro> i had Class 92, goods wagons and then goods head, and tried to replace to EuroStar 18:26:09 <Sacro> and just got the Eurostar 18:26:34 <Bjarni> do you have a savegame? 18:26:40 <Bjarni> and a config file 18:26:41 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@p549F1EA3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:26:49 <Sacro> Bjarni: hmmm... it was on Peters Nightly UKRS server 18:27:49 <Bjarni> if you expect me to fix hard to trigger bugs, then make sure that you got a savegame with the issue. I can't fix something where the code looks like it works and I don't have hours to try to reproduce it 18:28:45 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.143.73] has joined #openttd 18:28:49 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-130-219.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 18:28:55 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-144-216.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:29:03 <Bjarni> you see, I'm a bit low on time these days, so chasing a bug, that's pretty hard to trigger is not worth my time. If I do anything OpenTTD related, it will likely be better spend doing something else 18:29:28 <Bjarni> not to mention that trying to recreate a bug based on what you said is no fun 18:30:01 <BobingAbout> no 18:33:21 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.143.73] has quit [] 18:37:05 <Sacro> Bjarni: i will get you one later, im going out now 18:38:23 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 18:41:53 <peter1138> Bjarni: it's perfectly easy to create :) 18:42:01 <peter1138> if you're given full information... 18:45:22 <Bjarni> and you presume that Sacro can manage to do that? :P 18:47:49 <peter1138> you never know 18:53:17 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-142-85-200.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:08:04 *** Spoco- [~Spoco@dsl-087-94-050-169.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 19:10:35 *** anboni [daemon@ivory.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:12:57 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 19:16:16 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r6948 /trunk/newgrf.c: - Codechange: Clear out all NewGRF file data before loading files again 19:24:12 <BobingAbout> sacro is a frube 19:32:19 <XeryusTC> peter1138! 19:33:11 <peter1138> XeryusTC! 19:33:25 <XeryusTC> did you look at that bug yet? 19:33:26 <BobingAbout> argh! 19:33:46 <BobingAbout> ok, so, windows crashed because of NTFS.SYS, so, what should i do? 19:33:55 <XeryusTC> format! 19:34:00 <BobingAbout> i just did, 3 times 19:34:33 <BobingAbout> could it be a faulty hard drive? 19:34:46 <Ailure> I have a faulty harddrive D: 19:34:51 <Ailure> well 19:34:58 <BobingAbout> my entire PC is brand new 19:34:59 <Ailure> do a full system scan if you suspect that 19:35:02 <peter1138> no 19:35:09 <Ailure> but I doubt that's the case 19:35:13 <peter1138> but i shall 19:35:31 <peter1138> BobingAbout: memtest 19:35:43 <BobingAbout> that the linux ram testing thing? 19:36:14 <Ailure> it's not even Linux 19:36:15 <peter1138> er 19:36:17 <BobingAbout> someone gave me it on a boot floppy, i ran it yesterday, the entire thing passed, took 30 mins, never crashed once 19:36:18 <Ailure> I think it's a OS on it's own 19:36:35 <peter1138> you need to run it for longer than that, heh 19:36:51 <BobingAbout> so, memtest, whats that then if its not a linux boot floppy? 19:36:53 <XeryusTC> doesn't memtest take all night? 19:37:04 <BobingAbout> its a fast computer 19:37:08 <XeryusTC> it tests for errors in your memory 19:37:21 <glx> in every bits 19:37:22 <BobingAbout> memory in RAM, yes, it took 30 mins for a full test 19:38:09 <BobingAbout> its a 1GHz FSB and 800MHz RAMDAC 19:38:12 <BobingAbout> so, its kinda fast 19:41:13 <blathijs> RAMDAC? 19:41:17 <blathijs> Or RAM? 19:41:24 <BobingAbout> RAM 19:41:34 <BobingAbout> i don't really know what a RAMDAC is... 19:41:44 <BobingAbout> 800MHz RAM 19:41:48 <peter1138> digital analogue converter... 19:41:55 <peter1138> but that's to do with graphics 19:42:00 <BobingAbout> k 19:42:07 <BobingAbout> makes sence 19:42:20 <BobingAbout> thats got a 400MHz RAMDAC 19:42:34 <peter1138> irrelevant 19:42:38 <BobingAbout> but, the RAM is fine, i checked already 19:44:17 <peter1138> memtest keeps on going around for a reason ;) 19:44:27 <peter1138> and no, a boot disk has nothing to do with linux... 19:44:36 <peter1138> dos boots from a floppy too... 19:44:52 <blathijs> a RAMDAC is on video card, yes. It drives the display 19:45:02 <blathijs> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAMDAC 19:45:38 <BobingAbout> i get what a ramdac is already 19:45:56 <BobingAbout> like i said, someone gave me memtest on a boot floppy 19:46:10 *** WolfAngel [~wolfangel@83.73.168.209.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has joined #openttd 19:46:19 <BobingAbout> its all brand new, and i beleave that the RAM is fine 19:46:30 <peter1138> great thing about dos & floppies... it would automatically execute stuff off a certain sector 19:46:33 <peter1138> mmmm, viruses 19:46:46 <BobingAbout> its all brand new 19:46:49 <BobingAbout> fresh format 19:46:49 <peter1138> so... 19:46:59 <BobingAbout> and i have an anti-virus installed 19:47:01 <peter1138> tried different OSes? 19:47:04 <BobingAbout> and it is now upto date 19:47:07 <peter1138> read what i wrote 19:47:09 <BobingAbout> not yet 19:47:16 <peter1138> i didn't say i think you have a virus... 19:47:41 <BobingAbout> whatever, you mentioned voruses 19:47:44 <BobingAbout> viruses 19:48:05 <BobingAbout> NTFS.SYS, talls me its 1 of 3 things 19:48:09 <BobingAbout> 1, the hard drive 19:48:14 <BobingAbout> 2, windows being an arse 19:48:19 <BobingAbout> 3, drivers 19:48:23 <hylje> probably all of the above 19:48:51 <peter1138> does it get to a state where you can get to the event log? 19:49:03 <BobingAbout> what event log? 19:49:10 <hylje> windows event log 19:49:18 <BobingAbout> blue screen of death? 19:49:50 <peter1138> no... 19:49:53 <peter1138> windows' event log 19:49:53 <BobingAbout> it runs, it just randomly crashes when you are doing stuff, sometimes when you arn't doing stuff 19:50:02 *** Progman [~progman@p5091E79C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:50:06 <peter1138> i'm assuming you're not trying to run 95, 98 or ME 19:50:14 <BobingAbout> windows XP SP2 19:51:04 <BobingAbout> plus windows 95, 98 or ME wouldn't even have NTFS.SYS 19:53:44 <peter1138> true 19:53:51 <peter1138> so have you checked the event log? 19:54:05 <blathijs> 21:46 < peter1138> great thing about dos & floppies... it would automatically execute stuff off a certain sector <-- It's really the BIOS that does that... 19:54:43 <glx> and it does that on all bootable media (hard drive included) 19:54:59 <peter1138> usually hard to remove a harddrive though 19:55:44 <blathijs> You'll just have to pull harder ;-) 20:00:23 <BobingAbout> how i check the event log? 20:02:34 <BobingAbout> its not something i've ever done before 20:02:50 <glx> config panel/admin tools 20:04:00 <BobingAbout> event viewer? 20:04:18 <glx> yes 20:04:39 <BobingAbout> thats a shitload of errors for a PC only been formatted for3 hours 20:04:53 <glx> most of them are not errors :) 20:04:56 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE6A.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Purno has spoken] 20:04:57 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:05:20 <peter1138> heh, .net2 is great for spamming the event load 20:05:21 <peter1138> err 20:05:21 <peter1138> log 20:05:25 <hylje> :> 20:05:30 <hylje> while 1: 20:05:34 <peter1138> it does a python on you 20:05:38 <XeryusTC> hmm, i have a little suggestion 20:05:47 <peter1138> compiling stuff to native stuff, or something 20:05:57 <peter1138> for whom? 20:06:10 <hylje> log.insert("AAAAAAAAA!") 20:06:27 <XeryusTC> could the delete button in the orders GUI delete all orders when the -- end of orders -- thingy is selected 20:06:31 <hylje> yes, .net stuff is quite alike to python and java 20:06:34 <XeryusTC> just as it works with shared orders? 20:06:42 <BobingAbout> what am i looking for? 20:06:43 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 20:11:55 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: www.sexybiggetje.nl] 20:14:42 *** Progman [~progman@p5091E79C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:15:06 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Whoopsy] 20:15:30 * BobingAbout waves * 20:19:00 <Darkvater> good evening gents 20:19:05 <BobingAbout> hi 20:20:34 <XeryusTC> heya Darkvater 20:21:08 * BobingAbout waves * 20:22:09 <Belugas> mister Darkvater, welcome in our humble room 20:23:05 <smeding> HI. 20:23:19 * Darkvater rejoices 20:25:42 <Darkvater> Brianetta: you were talking about a chat history window? How were you thinking it? Keeping a *full* history of all chat messages? 20:26:54 <BobingAbout> sounds good to me 20:27:17 <Darkvater> I think it's a bit too much though 20:28:03 <BobingAbout> rofl 20:29:12 *** PaRaLyZe-E [~paralyze@84-105-8-172.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #openttd 20:30:12 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host7-239-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Guest52835))] 20:30:12 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host7-239-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 20:35:42 *** Guest52835 [~wolf01@host7-239-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 20:35:42 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host7-239-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Guest52835))] 20:36:39 *** Guest52835 is now known as Wolf01 20:36:46 *** Progman [~progman@p5091E79C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:42:11 <coronel> ANyone else experiencing desynch-errors when rejoining a company in multiplayer? 20:42:29 <coronel> I get then almost every 5 minutes now. 0.4.8. 20:42:47 <coronel> The server is running linux, the client (me) is on windows. 20:42:53 <glx> save the game on the server and restart it 20:43:39 <coronel> Is it a known error, and saving and restarting is the trick? :) 20:44:27 <glx> something like that :) 20:44:42 <glx> but restarting doesn't always work :( 20:45:31 <BobingAbout> like my PC, the tower alone cost £1200 and it keeps crashing 20:45:31 <Brianetta> Darkvater: Maybe with a limit. Configurable number of lines. 20:45:46 <BobingAbout> the screen cost another £400 20:45:48 <Brianetta> Just like X-Chat. 20:46:09 <coronel> glx: Oh. Thank you. :-) 20:46:24 <glx> coronel: it worked? 20:47:00 <coronel> glx: So it seems. :) 20:47:13 <coronel> Unless I just jinxed it. 20:48:14 <peter1138> BobingAbout: perhaps get it RMAd? 20:49:36 <Born_Acorn> Ooh. Much work on t'wiki 20:49:37 <BobingAbout> i built it myself 20:49:57 <BobingAbout> first i need to find the problem, and if its hardware RMA that part 20:50:14 <peter1138> different places or one place? 20:50:22 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 20:50:25 <BobingAbout> everything except the RAM from the same place 20:50:36 <peter1138> makes it easier then 20:50:58 <peter1138> they can test the whole lot and find out what's faulty 20:51:04 <peter1138> (except the ram, heh) 20:51:27 <Darkvater> Brianetta: yapo ;0 20:52:30 <BobingAbout> i'd rather not, this copy of windows isn't exactly legal... i was going to buy a copy, but didn't when people kept telling me windows XP 64 was rubbish, i thought i'd try it out before buying it 20:52:40 <BobingAbout> but i installed windows XP pro 32bit first 20:53:05 <hylje> :/ 20:53:11 <BobingAbout> (and you can always but the CD then change the existing code) 20:53:24 <BobingAbout> making the originally not so legal version legal 20:53:33 <hylje> install linux on it while you send it for testing 20:53:39 <BobingAbout> lol 20:54:08 <BobingAbout> or a different "legal" version of windows 20:54:14 <BobingAbout> i have XP home legally 20:54:29 <BobingAbout> and windows 98, but i don't think that'll work 20:54:37 <hylje> why not hehe 20:54:54 <BobingAbout> i tried it on my old PC, it just doesn't work with modern north bridges 20:54:57 <hylje> put ME on it for kicks 20:55:06 <BobingAbout> yer, but i don't have that legally again 20:55:56 <BobingAbout> fucking firewall... 20:55:59 <Brianetta> I have two or three Windows licenses 20:56:00 <BobingAbout> oops 20:56:10 <Brianetta> No, four 20:56:18 <BobingAbout> i have 3, 1 for windows 98, and 2 for windows XP home 20:56:23 *** Wolfy [~wolf@h33083.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:56:23 *** Wolfenstiejn [~wolf@h33083.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 20:56:30 <Brianetta> Two of XP Home, a Windows 98 and a Windows 95SE 20:56:30 <XeryusTC> [22:56:48] <Brianetta> I have two or three Windows licenses 20:56:30 <XeryusTC> [22:56:49] <BobingAbout> oops 20:56:37 <XeryusTC> sounds dubious ^ :P 20:56:46 <BobingAbout> i said oops to swaring 20:56:58 <XeryusTC> i just took it out of context ;) 20:57:02 <Brianetta> All these Windows licenses, and I never run any of them. 20:59:00 <BobingAbout> there's like 31 unused windows XP home licences at work 20:59:08 <BobingAbout> every PC they buy has 2 20:59:10 *** WolfAngel [~wolfangel@83.73.168.209.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has quit [Quit: YES I'M SURE!] 20:59:10 <BobingAbout> 1* 20:59:33 <BobingAbout> however, they have an XP pro Corp licence, and install that on every machine 20:59:48 <BobingAbout> why not just buy the new PCs without licences :P 21:00:00 <hylje> ecause it isnt cheaper 21:00:15 <hylje> at least until recently 21:00:18 <BobingAbout> windows OEM isn't free :P 21:00:34 <BobingAbout> (if it was, i'd buy shedloads of them) 21:00:51 <BobingAbout> (I'm always building systems) 21:01:15 <BobingAbout> hmmm, i just restarted the computer, and it crashed on loadup 21:01:26 <hylje> oh wow 21:11:29 <BobingAbout> yes, WoW 21:12:29 <Ailure> you can actually 21:12:36 <Ailure> demand a refund for Win XP OEM even 21:12:37 <BobingAbout> eh? 21:12:42 <Ailure> I read about people doing that 21:12:49 <BobingAbout> hmmm 21:12:51 <Ailure> becuse the ToS states something about that 21:12:58 <Ailure> if you don't agree with it blah blah blah 21:15:08 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D8F1.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:22:49 *** Bear [~IceChat7@pool-68-236-28-252.phil.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 21:23:29 *** Bear [~IceChat7@pool-68-236-28-252.phil.east.verizon.net] has left #openttd [] 21:26:40 <BobingAbout> yer well, when i get this PC working, i will buy a code 21:26:49 <BobingAbout> for whatever version of windows works best 21:32:56 <BobingAbout> well, the frequency of the crashes has gone down, It's currently running guildwars 21:42:51 * peter1138 gets GRM sort of working 21:43:05 *** PandaMojo_ [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 21:44:05 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176109175.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 21:46:38 <Brianetta> What do the devs think about this NAND patch thing? 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