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00:00:21 <glx> max amount of players is 8 (companies) 00:00:31 <glx> 10 is the max for clients 00:00:40 <glx> (includes spectators) 00:01:00 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 00:01:36 <Ailure> yes I know about the limits 00:01:37 <Ailure> but why 00:01:43 <Ailure> I'm asking for technical reasons. XD 00:06:12 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498ECE3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:11:03 <Sacro> Ailure: probably cos they use a 3 bit integer for values? 00:14:37 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@p54B3DC10.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^2] 00:16:34 <Eddi|zuHause> there was somewhere a 16 player patch 00:18:16 <Ailure> hmm 00:43:04 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ac4.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:08:11 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:24:16 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:30:05 <Sacro> !seem Bjarni 01:30:07 <Sacro> !seen lolman 01:30:09 <_42_> Sacro, lolman (~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com) was last seen quitting #openttd 6 hours 36 minutes ago (10.12. 18:53) stating "Ping timeout: 480 seconds" after spending 45 minutes there. 01:31:48 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-141-227-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:36:31 *** mikk36 [~mikk35@pc81.host1.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:45:52 *** mikk36 [~mikk35@pc74.host1.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 01:52:20 *** mikk36[EST] [~mikk35@pc54.host1.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 01:54:06 *** mikk36 [~mikk35@pc74.host1.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:58:24 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:59:13 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-83-100-186-94.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:15:28 *** mikk36[EST] is now known as mikk36 02:18:47 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N955P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [] 02:31:32 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B7675A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:38:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B771EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:47:55 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-71-63-10-125.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:05:18 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:44:34 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@203-97-223-241.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #openttd 03:47:54 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-144-120.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 04:20:37 *** fusey [fusion@cpe-76-174-15-199.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Peace and Protection 4.22] 04:22:12 <Ailure> openTTD industry 04:22:25 <Ailure> "We close down as soon you finish building your line" 04:26:53 <jotham_> only if your shit sucks 04:29:42 *** fusey [fusion@cpe-76-174-15-199.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 04:41:49 <Ailure> lol eh 04:41:58 <Ailure> industries closes down after a period of it not being serviced 04:42:01 <Ailure> i just had a bad timing I guess 04:42:12 <Ailure> I plopped down the station 04:42:17 <Ailure> five secodns later, the sawmill was gone 04:42:30 <jotham_> sometimes i just throw a truck and a couple of dummy loading bays on 04:42:34 <jotham_> and use load/unload 04:42:43 <jotham_> just to pump the goods out of it 04:42:48 <Ailure> well at this point 04:42:58 <Ailure> I was rich enough to build a sawmill of my own anyway 05:17:57 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 05:20:45 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B3DC10.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:54:01 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B3DC10.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 05:55:06 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B3DC10.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:38:05 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:40:00 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 06:47:38 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B3DC10.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 06:51:34 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-71-63-10-125.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 07:31:40 *** fusee [fusion@cpe-76-174-15-199.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 07:34:13 *** fusey [fusion@cpe-76-174-15-199.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:34:13 *** fusee is now known as fusey 07:45:46 <jotham_> what do you guys recommend in the way of newgrfs? 07:48:57 <Nigel> Ailure, heh, nice 07:49:26 <Nigel> Ailure, what i like doing is having a really efficient/profit making coal route, and adding extra mines next to the stations 07:57:25 <peter1138> oooh 07:57:29 <peter1138> negative cost industries 07:57:37 <peter1138> inflation is a bit silly... 07:58:14 *** fusee [fusion@cpe-76-174-15-199.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 08:05:43 *** fusey [fusion@cpe-76-174-15-199.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:05:43 *** fusee is now known as fusey 08:06:40 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has joined #openttd 08:06:42 <Celestar> morning 08:07:33 <peter1138> hello 08:11:28 <Celestar> hows stuff? 08:12:30 <peter1138> goodish 08:12:55 <peter1138> roughly located a desync issue, but only to "it's something in yapf" 08:16:50 <KUDr> some more info? 08:18:12 <peter1138> none since last night 08:18:26 <peter1138> tbh, i haven't a clue where to start debugging yapf 08:18:35 <peter1138> (especially on a running server, heh) 08:19:41 <KUDr> the problem must be in the information that yapf uses << there must be difference - track layout, vehicle data, signal states, etc. 08:19:51 <KUDr> yapf has no data to save/load 08:19:56 <KUDr> it is stateless 08:20:30 <KUDr> only the cache holds some stat, but it gets cleared every frame 08:21:02 <KUDr> so this is where we should begin - compare game data before and after save/load 08:22:02 <peter1138> what vehicle data does it use? 08:22:20 <KUDr> max speed... 08:22:25 <KUDr> type 08:22:29 <KUDr> position 08:22:52 <KUDr> compatible railtypes 08:23:19 <KUDr> hmm, should be all 08:23:35 <KUDr> owner 08:23:59 <KUDr> and then map data - heights 08:24:04 <KUDr> tracks 08:24:08 <KUDr> tile type 08:24:12 <KUDr> etc. 08:24:16 <KUDr> practically all 08:24:30 <KUDr> then also some extra data like: 08:24:42 <peter1138> well, stuff on the map we can rule out 08:24:58 <KUDr> bridge max-speed 08:25:20 <peter1138> and that's not part of the savegame :) 08:25:30 <KUDr> hmm 08:25:40 <KUDr> i dunno what is saved and what not 08:26:15 <KUDr> looks like something what changes over time 08:26:23 <KUDr> and is not saved 08:26:32 <KUDr> what can change? 08:26:33 <peter1138> well 08:26:47 <peter1138> rail vehicle cached data 08:27:05 <KUDr> you told that it must be old game on the server (not just started/loaded) 08:27:14 <KUDr> aha 08:27:33 <jotham_> xany idea why the nightly would throw this: 08:27:38 <jotham_> yanqui:12858$ openttd -D 08:27:39 <jotham_> Error: Invalid version of language packs 08:27:39 <jotham_> openttd: openttd.c:76: error: Assertion `0' failed. 08:27:39 <jotham_> Aborted 08:27:42 <KUDr> what data are cached on vehicle thta can influence its position/max-speed? 08:28:05 <jotham_> i've got the language files there etc 08:28:09 <peter1138> kudr, lots 08:28:45 <KUDr> can we make some CMD_COMPARE_VEHICLE_DATA ? 08:29:54 <KUDr> that will be sent to the clients and and run on all clients and server at the same moment (frame) and send data back to the server where they will be compared? 08:30:12 <peter1138> well 08:30:16 <Brianetta> Did any of you guys go to bed? 08:30:23 <peter1138> maybe i can run a test version which saves this data 08:30:30 <peter1138> rather than recalculating it 08:31:04 <KUDr> saves on the client and server so you can collect them and compare? 08:31:15 <peter1138> no, saves in the savegame 08:31:42 <KUDr> then how it helps? 08:32:02 <peter1138> because then it's saved, not recalculated by the client 08:32:14 <KUDr> it looks that if save/load on the server helps, we have difference between state before save and after load 08:32:38 <peter1138> exactly 08:32:47 <KUDr> aha, sit simply saves/loads more info than normal version? 08:33:01 <peter1138> yes 08:33:05 <KUDr> aha 08:33:17 <KUDr> so if you have one, please try it 08:33:25 <peter1138> doing now 08:33:28 <peter1138> however 08:33:44 <KUDr> ok, i must take a shower and head to work 08:33:44 <peter1138> need to have another long game with it 08:34:08 <KUDr> ll be back from work 08:37:30 <peter1138> 2099 :D 08:37:41 <peter1138> i think this game is dead anywya 08:37:43 <peter1138> lol 08:37:55 <peter1138> one player had a rating of 4024 08:42:48 <peter1138> 2http://fuzzle.org/o/savecached.diff 08:42:56 <peter1138> hmm 08:45:06 <jotham_> damn, the nightly wont let you do oblong maps anymore, is that a shortcoming of terragenisis? 08:47:52 <jotham_> it does a good job with the map generation 08:48:11 <jotham_> i've made a few perlin noise generators in the past, but nothing really nice 08:52:45 <Ailure> There's a lack of station that fits to iron ore mines 08:52:46 <Ailure> D: 08:56:56 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 08:58:30 <Brianetta> I can generate an oblong map 08:58:48 <Brianetta> Ailure: The coal one is OK 08:58:54 <Brianetta> buit there's no matching drop 08:59:29 <Ailure> heh yeah 08:59:36 <Ailure> I used the coal one for iron ore mines 08:59:43 <Ailure> and mixed it with teh general industry one for look 09:00:17 <Ailure> fits well enough for now 09:04:08 <jotham_> hum 09:04:17 <jotham_> i wonder what's up with my 128x1024 oblong map 09:04:22 <peter1138> heh 09:04:30 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-157-106.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 09:04:41 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-157-106.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:05:17 <Ailure> oh yeah the steel mill one 09:05:27 <Ailure> looks ok for dropping kind of 09:05:40 <Ailure> but yeah, it would be good if there were a sepearate station for dropping iron ore 09:05:41 <peter1138> looks better for pickup 09:05:47 <Ailure> the steel mill station in now looks best for steel pickup yeah 09:06:16 <jotham_> is there a way to improve your rep without bribery or tree building? this map is covered in trees and this town hates me and it's the start of the game 09:06:24 <jotham_> ('Very Poor' rating) 09:07:56 <Ailure> leaving it alone works for me 09:08:02 <Ailure> I have no idea if yuou would gain more or lose 09:08:11 <Ailure> if you kept demolishing and building trees 09:08:19 <Ailure> I should look into how the rating system works again 09:08:29 <Ailure> but it wouldn't make sense to get a slight gain 09:08:32 <Ailure> becuse that would be abusable 09:09:07 <peter1138> i believe you get less 'points' building a tree than demolishing one 09:09:18 <peter1138> but i could be remembering incorrectly 09:09:35 <Brianetta> peter1138: You remember incorrectly 09:09:58 <Brianetta> A standard #openttdcoop trick is to carpet bomb the trees, then replant the lot. 09:10:09 <Brianetta> Rinse and repeat, up to a maximum rating of "good" 09:10:27 <Ailure> cheaper than bribing I assume 09:10:30 <jotham_> carpet bomb? 09:10:36 <Ailure> and less risky too 09:10:39 <Brianetta> Drag the demolition tool 09:10:39 <jotham_> dig hole? 09:10:42 <jotham_> ahh 09:10:43 <Triffid_Hunter> lol.. "we ripped up your trees and planted new ones, do you love us yet?" 09:10:51 <Ailure> well 09:11:02 <Ailure> it makes sense that terrforming pisses off people who lives close to it 09:11:13 <Ailure> I wouldn't like it if some big corperation 09:11:20 <Triffid_Hunter> ah so I should stop doing it in the middle of town 09:11:21 <Ailure> dceided that flattening a big mountain close to my city 09:11:24 <Ailure> is a good idea 09:11:58 <Brianetta> Trees multiply too quickly. That's counter to experience. 09:12:19 <Ailure> they do? 09:12:19 <Brianetta> I think farms should grow and grow 09:12:24 <Ailure> or do you mean within the same tile? heh 09:12:30 <Ailure> :p 09:12:34 <Brianetta> Ailure: More to the point, they survive too effectively. 09:12:39 <Ailure> ah 09:12:44 <Ailure> I see what you mean 09:12:45 <Ailure> heh 09:12:52 <Ailure> some cities tend to have thick forests around them 09:12:53 <Ailure> whne I play 09:12:59 <Ailure> due to me trying to improve ratings 09:13:02 <Brianetta> That only happens in south Germany 09:14:17 *** ufoun [ha@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 09:14:48 <Ailure> anyway, going to sleeep 09:15:26 <Brianetta> I'm going to work 09:15:41 * Brianetta ties laces 09:19:02 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 09:42:56 *** YogSothoth [~john@lns-bzn-44-82-64-92-114.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 09:43:03 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 09:50:38 *** ufoun_ [~ha@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 09:54:59 *** ufoun [ha@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:03:05 * Brianetta is at work now 10:03:21 <peter1138> :) 10:03:45 <peter1138> or rather ): 10:07:20 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@203-97-223-241.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]] 10:08:51 <peter1138> KUDr: i was thinking, instead of saving this data, we could implement that "invalidate your caches" join command 10:09:12 <peter1138> perhaps 10:10:05 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:15:23 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:19:57 * Brianetta closes down his deathmatch server 10:20:16 <Brianetta> It spends 90% of its time paused, with eight dead companies. 10:26:41 <peter1138> probably just needs a new game 10:26:51 <Brianetta> It gets one every day 10:27:00 <Brianetta> I go in and kick it 10:27:08 <Brianetta> and people join, then naff off 10:27:31 <Brianetta> Usually it's fill of non-English speakers who don't understand the ararchic nature 10:27:32 <peter1138> ahh 10:27:40 <Nigel> thats the problem with the OTTD multiplayer games 10:27:44 <Brianetta> anarchic, heh 10:27:52 <Nigel> they are too slow, and last a day 10:28:01 <Brianetta> Nigel: My other servers fared better 10:28:10 <Brianetta> Deathmatch was a small map, no rules of fair play 10:28:13 <Brianetta> a failed experiment 10:28:38 <Brianetta> People don't like it to be OK that your tracks are blocked deliberately 10:28:39 <XeryusTC> OTTD players are too nice people :P 10:28:57 <Nigel> yeah, still, too slow and games lasting over a day is the problem imo 10:28:59 <Brianetta> and those who can't understand the MOTD usually find out the nature of the game too late. 10:29:16 <Brianetta> Nigel: Games last weeks. I love that. 10:29:21 <Nigel> (in most cases) 10:29:32 <Brianetta> I've been following the companies on peter1138's server all this week 10:29:35 <XeryusTC> Nigel: try #openttdcoop ;) 10:29:39 <Brianetta> and I had two on there myself 10:29:41 <Nigel> Brianetta, people can errr... loose interest 10:29:41 <Brianetta> both folded 10:29:57 <Nigel> XeryusTC, i might sometime 10:30:03 <Brianetta> Nigel: They can, but there are enough who don't lose interest to keep servers busy 10:30:12 <Brianetta> My deathmatch server was an oddity in this respect 10:30:15 <Nigel> atm though it's 30mins to Midnight, so i'm about to get some sleep 10:30:18 <XeryusTC> my internets are slowly dieing :( 10:30:42 <Brianetta> Once 0.5 comes out, my nightly shall be resurrected as a non-nightly 10:32:31 <peter1138> hmm 10:32:52 <peter1138> i'm going to run a test server soon 10:33:02 <Brianetta> test server? 10:33:07 <peter1138> yes 10:33:09 <Brianetta> I thought fuzzle was one 10:33:10 <peter1138> with some mods 10:33:19 <peter1138> well, it is, but it's a plain trunk build 10:33:33 <peter1138> i want to try and find this desync bug 10:33:38 <Brianetta> Oh yes, trunk - where nothing needs testing 10:33:49 <Brianetta> because it's all debugged in other branches 10:33:51 <peter1138> :P 10:34:03 <Brianetta> I still think it's a silly way to dev 10:34:14 <peter1138> well, i'll be testing with some patches that shouldn't go in trunk 10:34:28 <peter1138> cos if it doesn't fix it then it's pointless 10:34:30 <Brianetta> default red signals (: 10:34:37 <peter1138> that should go in trunk :) 10:34:40 <Brianetta> (-: 10:35:04 <Brianetta> Train throttles (: 10:35:08 <Brianetta> manual drive 10:35:21 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/traincontrol.diff shouldn't 10:35:27 <peter1138> not in its current state 10:35:34 <Brianetta> ooooh 10:35:37 <Brianetta> does it work? 10:35:44 <peter1138> sort of 10:35:58 <Brianetta> ooooh 10:36:23 <peter1138> stopping at stations doesn't quite work correctly 10:36:32 <peter1138> signals are totally ignored, so it's all manual 10:36:33 <Brianetta> svn: This client is too old to work with working copy '.'; please get a newer Subversion client 10:36:36 <Brianetta> ): 10:36:38 <peter1138> o_O 10:36:53 <Brianetta> I have an FC6 box and my FC5 boxen now hate svn 10:37:13 <Brianetta> They mung up on make, too, which uses the svn version 10:37:21 <peter1138> hmm 10:37:30 <Brianetta> I'll see if I can hammer in the FC6 rpm 10:37:36 <Brianetta> You know what distros are like 10:37:50 <Brianetta> They never upgrade packages beyond their major version 10:37:53 <peter1138> *nod* 10:38:15 <peter1138> right, i need a TFT monitor with DVI input 10:38:21 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:38:26 <peter1138> i wonder if widescreen is the way to go 10:38:51 <Brianetta> subversion-1.3.2-2.1 -> subversion-1.4.2-2 10:39:28 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 10:40:35 <Darkvater> morning 10:40:48 <Darkvater> peter1138: samsung 205bw 20" widescreen :D 10:42:43 <Brianetta> ah, solution: 10:42:47 <Brianetta> Subversion 1.4 changed the working copy format. It sounds like you 10:42:47 <Brianetta> used some Subversion client based on the 1.4 libraries, which 10:42:47 <Brianetta> silently upgraded your working copy to the 1.4 format, and then your 10:42:47 <Brianetta> 1.2.1 client was unable to use it. 10:42:47 <Brianetta> Upgrade all your clients to 1.4 versions 10:43:16 <Brianetta> Silently upgrading files is NOT good practise 10:43:55 <Darkvater> useless fact of the day: It took me 2.5 hours to get to work today instead of the usual 45 minutes 10:44:10 <Darkvater> oh the glory of public transportation \o/ 10:44:22 <Brianetta> svn sucks 10:44:22 <Nigel> Darkvater, 2.5 hours? sounds like my normal daily one way commute 10:44:39 <peter1138> Brianetta: tell that to... moriarty, is it? 10:44:56 <Brianetta> peter1138: I'm more likely to just strangle the svn developers 10:45:06 <peter1138> the guy complaining that a switching the same config between trunk and miniin causes a warning... 10:45:11 <Brianetta> I use the same checked out copy on several machines 10:45:31 <peter1138> o_O 10:45:34 <Brianetta> I shouldn't have to worry abou tthe svn version 10:45:44 <Brianetta> peter1138: I have nfs home 10:45:54 <Brianetta> I can play openttd in any room 10:46:07 <peter1138> i can too... with a laptop 10:46:12 <peter1138> well 10:46:12 <Brianetta> I have a laptop too 10:46:19 <peter1138> if i had one with a working battery... 10:46:22 <Brianetta> but it doesn't have the resolution 10:46:25 <roboboy> gnight 10:46:31 <Nigel> Darkvater, i spend... 16 hrs a week on public transport, to spend 20 hrs a week in town 10:46:44 * roboboy folds out the bed and locks it into position. 10:46:53 *** roboboy is now known as robobed 10:46:57 * Brianetta sticks robobed on ignore 10:47:04 <peter1138> Brianetta: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=527519#527519 this guy :) 10:47:12 <Nigel> Brianetta, heh 10:47:17 <robobed> boo 10:47:41 <peter1138> do i need dvi? 10:47:42 <peter1138> hmm 10:48:08 <Darkvater> Nigel: it's different if you are not used to it 10:48:10 <Darkvater> peter1138: yes 10:48:34 <Nigel> peter1138, haha, thats a good one 10:48:41 *** mikk36 [~mikk35@pc54.host1.starman.ee] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:48:48 <Nigel> Darkvater, true, i've been doing that for a year now 10:48:50 <Darkvater> peter1138: any decent TFT comes with DVI and you get a much better picture, most specifically: less interference, never set and screw around with scrensize 10:49:06 <Nigel> /day for 4hrs/day sitting on buses/trains 10:49:15 <Nigel> (and waiting at stations) 10:49:26 <Darkvater> that's way underpaid 10:49:27 *** mikk36 [~mikk35@pc54.host1.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 10:49:43 <peter1138> VX1935wm 19" widescreen, £205 :/ 10:49:46 <Nigel> no, i pay THEM that much :P 10:49:55 <peter1138> 1440 x 900... hmm. 10:50:04 <Darkvater> too small 10:50:23 <Brianetta> Moriarty is definitely making his own problems and feeding them to the devs. 10:50:32 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 10:50:42 <Darkvater> there's this ViewSonic VX2025WM 20" LCD Monitor 10:50:47 <peter1138> 19" isn't that smallheh 10:50:58 <Darkvater> it is if it is widescreen 10:51:05 <Nigel> Brianetta, yep 10:51:20 <peter1138> that's £287 :/ 10:51:27 <Darkvater> there's also the NEC one, donnu it's name; way more expensive than the 2025WM and only knows a bit more 10:51:34 <peter1138> 1680 x 1050 10:51:37 <Darkvater> :O UK is expensive 10:52:45 <Brianetta> Darkvater: We live on an island. 10:53:30 <Darkvater> we also live on an island...it's just a bit bigger ;p 10:53:42 <Nigel> i'm much more impressed with http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=528182 10:53:46 <Brianetta> That's a continent. 10:53:52 <Nigel> err 10:53:58 <Nigel> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=528182#528182 10:54:01 <peter1138> 22" viewsonic vx2235wm 10:54:03 <peter1138> £299 10:54:41 <peter1138> plus a dvi cable, i assume 10:54:45 <Brianetta> Nigel: That happens to me when I sit at an FC5 machine after compiling on FC6. Running make fixes it, in about four seconds. 10:55:03 <Nigel> Brianetta, read the entire post though :P 10:55:26 <Darkvater> donnu about viewsonic but mine came with a DVI cable 10:55:41 <Darkvater> only that damn samsung only supplied a single-link cable which is just enough 10:55:45 <Brianetta> Nigel: Not sure what I'm missing 10:56:08 <Nigel> oh actually, i misread "i copied the standard missig data files into the data folder" 10:57:13 <Brianetta> Bah, FC6 started with svn 1.3 but updated it 10:57:17 * Nigel hits self over head 10:57:21 <Brianetta> leaving FC5 machines to struggle 10:57:42 <peter1138> such is the way of updates 10:58:05 <Nigel> and that folks is why my machines are RH free 10:58:07 <Brianetta> silently upgrading config files 10:58:14 <Brianetta> that's getting them a spot in hell 10:58:34 <Nigel> although i am a bit partial to a red fedora if anyone wants to send me one for Christmas 10:58:44 <peter1138> dabsvalue widescreen 19" £125, heh 10:58:55 <Darkvater> dabsvalue? lol 10:58:56 <peter1138> looks crap though 10:59:05 <Darkvater> it sounds like crap as well 11:00:09 <peter1138> Excellent Value Branded for Gamers and Movies 11:00:10 <peter1138> £370.12 inc vat 11:00:17 <peter1138> yeah, good value i'm sure 11:00:21 <peter1138> NEC 20WGX2 11:01:17 <Darkvater> ah yes...that screen is my favourite....just too damn expenisve 11:01:39 <Darkvater> it has this Sig or something screen, superb refresh rate and colour reproduction 11:02:23 <peter1138> asus 22" widescreen, £281 11:02:24 <peter1138> hmm 11:02:45 <peter1138> belinea... urgh 11:04:19 <peter1138> sm-205bw 11:04:23 <peter1138> hmm 11:04:45 <peter1138> all too confusing 11:04:48 <Darkvater> hehe 11:05:11 <Darkvater> donnu if it's a samsung issue but our 205bw started blinking (going on-off) randomly at some point 11:05:20 <Darkvater> until I switched around the PCI cards on the motherboard 11:07:29 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:09:37 * Brianetta builds an FC5 rpm for subversion 1.4.2 11:09:41 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@intmail.vgtz.com] has joined #openttd 11:09:43 <Brianetta> If anybody wants it, ask (: 11:09:56 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 11:09:59 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 11:09:59 <Brianetta> It appears to be building cleanly 11:16:34 <XeryusTC> Brianetta: yum update subversion 11:16:51 <XeryusTC> or yum update svn 11:18:10 <Brianetta> XeryusTC: FC5 doesn't have the update 11:18:14 <Brianetta> FC6 does 11:18:28 <Brianetta> FC67 has updated, and subversion then updated my repo directories 11:18:28 <XeryusTC> hmm 11:18:33 <Brianetta> and my FC5 machines are screwed 11:19:20 <Brianetta> I wouldn't have upgraded to FC6 on that machine had I know that it offered no improvements over FC5 11:19:24 <Brianetta> and plkety of headaches 11:19:30 <Brianetta> Google Earth broke ): 11:20:33 <KUDr_wrk> [11:09:07] <peter1138> KUDr: i was thinking, instead of saving this data, we could implement that "invalidate your caches" join command << you mean cached vehicle data? 11:20:57 <peter1138> and the yapf stuff 11:21:01 <Darkvater> KUDr_wrk: I think he means don't invalide cache every frame, but when the server says so 11:21:12 <peter1138> but, we'll see 11:21:18 <KUDr_wrk> yapf invalidates cache on save/load 11:21:29 <KUDr_wrk> as it is between frames 11:21:34 <peter1138> instead of 11:21:40 <KUDr_wrk> but could be better to do it only rarely 11:21:44 <KUDr_wrk> yes 11:22:09 <KUDr_wrk> bu i am now thinking of how can i help hunting this desync we have 11:23:07 <KUDr_wrk> would be good to eliminate some yapf calls (like servicing requests) and try to reproduce it 11:23:30 <KUDr_wrk> is it related to some specific transport types (like trains)? 11:37:48 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 11:43:04 <peter1138> damn, a debug build with VS2005 is too slow :/ 11:47:30 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F21D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:51:51 <Brianetta> debug in leeenox 11:52:43 <peter1138> not when my desktop is a windows pc 11:52:48 *** Digitalfox [~digitalfo@bl7-186-154.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 11:53:08 <Brianetta> what an odd configuration (: 11:53:36 <Brianetta> I'm the only person in this organisation with a Linux desktop 11:53:44 <Brianetta> Something my boss seems proud to tell visitors 11:53:56 <Brianetta> My Linux box is a full AD member (: 11:54:03 <peter1138> o_ 11:54:05 <peter1138> O 11:54:21 <Brianetta> I log in with my ad username 11:54:28 <Brianetta> brianr@cnx.local 11:54:33 <Brianetta> and it auths with the DCs 11:54:49 <Brianetta> and my machine shows up in the AD 11:55:15 <Brianetta> gets all its network config from there, too 11:55:39 <Brianetta> I haven't decided whether or nt I want it to try some limited group policy stuff 11:55:43 <Brianetta> I'd have to write it myself 11:56:30 <Brianetta> From time to time it all buggers up, though, and forgets the mapping from AD user to unix user ID number, meaning that my files all "lose" their ownership to some long number 11:58:17 *** valhalla1w is now known as valhallasw 12:23:43 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:32:29 <CIA-1> rubidium * r7476 /trunk/table/build_industry.h: -Fix (6965): the paper mill belongs in the Sub-Arctic (LT_HILLY) and not the Tropic (LT_DESERT) climate. 12:33:57 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B3DC10.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:34:05 <Darkvater> :O 12:34:56 <Darkvater> !openttd commit 6965 12:34:58 <_42_> Commit by belugas :: r6965 /trunk/ (industry.h industry_cmd.c table/build_industry.h) (2006-10-27 15:54:24 UTC) 12:35:00 <_42_> -CodeChange : Add a climate bitmask member to IndutrySpec. 12:35:02 <_42_> Removed a loop that used the array _build_industry_types for that purpose. 12:35:09 <Darkvater> :O 12:35:15 <Darkvater> nobody noticed :O 12:35:21 <Darkvater> :O 12:35:32 <Rubidium> well, one person noticed it... 12:35:33 <Darkvater> why do I keep saying that 12:35:33 <Darkvater> :O 12:35:42 <Rubidium> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=28934 12:35:57 <Darkvater> after 1.5 months :O 12:38:00 <CIA-1> rubidium * r7477 /trunk/ (industry_cmd.c town_cmd.c): -Fix (7451): Allocate(Industry|Town) get called twice when trying to build an industry/town via a command, thus incrementing the number of towns/industries twice when created via a command. 12:38:38 <Darkvater> !openttd commit 7451 12:38:40 <_42_> Commit by rubidium :: r7451 /trunk/ (4 files) (2006-12-09 14:14:51 UTC) 12:38:40 <Darkvater> :O 12:38:41 <_42_> -Fix (7372): GetNum(Towns|Industries) should return the actual number of towns and industries. 12:38:43 <_42_> -Fix (6055): GetMax(Town|Industry)Index should not return the number of towns or industries - 1, but the size of the pool - 1. 12:39:23 <Rubidium> Darkvater, are you now officially in the ":O" mode? 12:39:41 <Darkvater> :O 12:40:00 <Mikachu> look out for flying penises 12:40:15 <Darkvater> now this mode: I'm so bored at work 12:40:21 <Darkvater> -w 12:41:09 *** GoneWack1 [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 12:47:16 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:53:30 *** Nigel_ [~Nigel@202-154-144-120.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 12:57:09 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-144-120.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:05:23 *** HMage`tea [~HMage@85.21.179.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:22:42 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2RB6Vegas 13:27:30 *** PandaMojo_ [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 13:29:13 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-186-94.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:32:43 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:32:44 *** PandaMojo_ is now known as PandaMojo 13:44:33 *** glx [~glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:44:37 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:46:16 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B3DC10.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 13:49:50 <peter1138> hmm 13:50:37 <Darkvater> mmh 13:50:42 <peter1138> 205bw, eh? 13:50:53 <Darkvater> ay 13:50:54 <peter1138> £199 13:50:56 <peter1138> hmm 13:52:32 <Darkvater> how much euros is that 13:52:33 <Darkvater> 294 13:52:39 <Darkvater> with or without tax? 13:52:45 <peter1138> with 13:52:46 *** cocobo_ [~cocobo@85.8.9.32.se.wasadata.net] has joined #openttd 13:52:58 <peter1138> The 205BW does have a slightly lower response time than the 215TW at 6ms compared to 8ms. Thankfully the lower response time doesn't come at the expense of colour depth, since the 205BW still uses an 8-bit panel rather than a 6-bit model. 13:53:03 <peter1138> hmm 13:53:06 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 13:53:13 <hylje> hmm 13:53:32 <Darkvater> we bought ours for 240 EUR about a month ago 13:53:55 <peter1138> hmm 13:53:59 <Darkvater> hmm no wait 13:54:10 <Darkvater> 340 I mean 13:54:52 * peter1138 looks at reviews which say the image qualtiy isn't that good 13:54:55 <Darkvater> so about 340# 13:55:33 <Darkvater> he, didn't notice (you do have to lower the default brightness/contrast) 13:55:35 <Darkvater> got a link? 13:55:53 <peter1138> http://www.trustedreviews.com/displays/review/2006/08/02/Samsung-SyncMaster-205BW-Widescreen-Monitor/p1 13:55:58 <peter1138> doesn't really say much though 13:56:42 <cocobo_> I run linux and I get no sound in openttd. I don't have midi setup but I would like to get sound effects. Any ideas? 13:57:14 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc304-34.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 13:58:46 <hylje> sound effects dont need midi 13:58:57 <Darkvater> cocobo_: ./openttd -d driver=5 13:59:03 <Darkvater> what does that say about sound? 13:59:32 <Darkvater> some people also had problems and it seemed ALSA or OSS locked their soundcard or something. Have a look around on the ofrums 14:00:07 <cocobo_> the debug did not give me any hints. Only Successfully probed stuff. 14:00:32 <cocobo_> does sdl use alsa or oss. I sometimes have problems with oss. 14:00:36 <hylje> alsa 14:02:06 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@intmail.vgtz.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:02:13 <Sacro> cocobo_: either 14:02:33 <Sacro> export SDL_AUDIODRIVER=alsa 14:03:52 <cocobo_> hmm, I had a export SDL_AUDIODRIVER="dsp" in my bashrc. That explains a few things. 14:04:12 <hylje> pebkac :( 14:04:19 *** GoneWack1 [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:04:30 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 14:06:01 <Darkvater> he, we need to properly fix up airports 14:06:16 <Darkvater> this shared sprite-system they have makes it a pita to replace their gfx and make them look proper 14:06:35 <peter1138> like make the intercontinental one work? 14:06:59 <Darkvater> like make all > city work 14:07:30 <hylje> freeform airports plx 14:09:06 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83F0B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:09:09 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 14:09:20 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 14:09:25 <cocobo_> are there some guide how to build those cool railways I sometimes see in screen shots. All my rails are point to point. 14:09:45 <peter1138> i just use common sense 14:11:30 <hylje> cocobo_: i think ottdcoop has some 14:16:52 <Brianetta> coop doesn' thave anything that could graduate you from single lines 14:21:46 <Brianetta> http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~dou/ttdx/network.html 14:21:48 <Brianetta> There you go 14:21:58 <Brianetta> I had to search the forum for posts I'd made 14:22:40 <cocobo_> thanks! 14:26:41 <hylje> that one depends on PBS a lot 14:27:04 * PandaMojo misses PBS 14:29:15 <Brianetta> hylje: No, it just mentions them. 14:29:19 <Brianetta> It's a Patch guide. 14:29:27 <Brianetta> It's also the best guide out there. 14:32:23 *** DirtYiCE [~dirty_ice@84.236.50.38] has joined #openttd 14:35:16 *** YogSothoth [~john@lns-bzn-44-82-64-92-114.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:46:28 <peter1138> haha 14:46:42 <peter1138> "Anyway, such non-NewGRFs will now be automatically removed the from the configuration, with an error." 14:46:47 <peter1138> "Why? I would like to use them(the non-newgrfs). " 14:46:51 <peter1138> o_O 14:47:01 <hylje> what 14:48:17 <glx> hmm he should tell us what non-newgrf he wants to use :) 14:49:34 <Darkvater> non-newgrf? we don't support excel sheets 14:50:28 <Sacro> Darkvater: but i wanted to do my coursework whilst playing 14:50:36 <peter1138> yeah 14:50:40 <peter1138> each tile is a data cell 14:51:02 <Sacro> ooh, vim for openttd 14:52:09 <peter1138> now you've gone too far 14:52:19 <Brianetta> What are you discussing? 14:53:06 <peter1138> dunno 14:53:29 <peter1138> but i've just realised all this new newgrf stuff totally fucks up the 32bpp branch 14:53:37 <peter1138> ah well, tar files are never newgrfs anyway... 14:54:47 <Sacro> Brianetta: excel support... 14:55:12 *** lolman [~admin@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 14:55:18 <Brianetta> What would that achieve? 14:55:29 <peter1138> bloat 14:55:32 <peter1138> incompatible files 14:55:34 <peter1138> crashes 14:55:37 <peter1138> it's a winner 14:55:45 <peter1138> we could use excel as a database 14:55:48 <Brianetta> ew 14:55:50 <Brianetta> ew ew ew 14:55:51 <Brianetta> no 14:55:53 <lolman> Eww!! 14:55:53 <peter1138> hehe 14:55:54 <Brianetta> it's not a database 14:55:58 <hylje> access then? 14:56:04 <peter1138> i knew that one would strike a nerve... 14:56:05 * Brianetta frowns at hylje 14:56:58 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc304-34.feld.cvut.cz] has left #openttd [] 14:57:44 <lolman> MySQL? ¬_¬ 14:58:02 <hylje> postgres 14:58:18 <Sacro> oh noes 14:58:23 <lolman> :O 14:58:58 <lolman> Oh noes, it's Sacro! 14:59:06 * Sacro checks 14:59:09 <Sacro> oh noes... your right 14:59:10 <Brianetta> MySQL is faster, PoestGres is... better 14:59:23 <Brianetta> sqlite is fastest 14:59:27 <Brianetta> but a bit hairy, IMO 15:02:49 <Naksu> access isn't bad for a single-user (/app) environment 15:05:35 <Darkvater> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=528651#528651 15:05:36 <Darkvater> sweet 15:06:10 <peter1138> the problem with those links 15:06:12 <peter1138> is it loads 15:06:16 <peter1138> and goes to the right place 15:06:18 <peter1138> then the images load 15:06:23 <peter1138> and it's somewhere else 15:06:44 <peter1138> and then you go to the url again and it goes to the top 15:06:46 <peter1138> bloody ie 15:06:55 <peter1138> looks a bit big to me 15:07:57 <Darkvater> hmm 15:08:01 <Darkvater> my boredom will end soon 15:08:56 <Sacro> Darkvater: waiting for a pr0n download to finish? 15:10:29 <Darkvater> no I'll go home soon :) 15:10:58 *** mikk36 [~mikk35@pc54.host1.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: The pedestrian had no idea which way to run, so I ran over him.] 15:12:56 <TheMask96> Darkvater: where do you work? :) 15:13:53 *** mikk36 [~mikk35@pc54.host1.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 15:14:49 <Darkvater> :) 15:17:46 <Brianetta> peter1138: Firefox has the same brain-dead image loading behaviour 15:19:26 <Mikachu> but if you click the go button again, it actually goes to the right place in the page 15:20:12 * Darkvater whistles _opera_ 15:20:28 <Darkvater> lolol 15:20:29 <Darkvater> http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_121006WABairporttreesSW.1663eccf.html 15:21:40 <Mikachu> that is funny on more than one level 15:21:42 <Darkvater> "There is a concern here that the Jewish community will be portrayed as the Grinch." << rofl 15:23:24 *** Belugas [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:24:26 <Brianetta> The airport stole Christmas! 15:24:36 <Brianetta> Fear of litigation ends fun 15:24:44 <hylje> :o 15:24:44 <Brianetta> Not even a newsworthy headline 15:26:47 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 15:26:47 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 15:29:49 *** helb_ [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 15:29:50 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:38:43 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B3DC10.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:48:13 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-186-94.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:51:27 *** lolman [~admin@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 15:51:34 <peter1138> http://www.viewsonic.com/support/desktopdisplays/lcddisplays/proseries/vp2290b/index.htm 15:51:38 <peter1138> clearly i need that one :D 15:52:52 <Darkvater> :O 15:52:58 <Darkvater> how much? 15:53:12 <Darkvater> 3840x2400 optimum resolution 15:53:21 * Darkvater picks up jaws 15:54:10 *** smeding [~roysmedin@host86-138-135-226.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:54:32 <peter1138> 204 pixels per inch :D 15:54:40 <peter1138> imagine ottd fullscreen on that... 15:55:29 <Darkvater> puny 15:55:59 <peter1138> £4500 so far 15:56:20 <peter1138> "Of course, for text work you might as well forget it. The font size is simply too small to comfortably work with, although I have to say it is still pin sharp. To get around this you can run a second lower resolution display alongside the VP2290b" 15:56:24 <peter1138> duh 15:56:28 <peter1138> just increase your text size, fuckwit ;) 15:56:53 <Mikachu> haha, genius 15:57:19 <Mikachu> that's why fonts are measured in points, not pixels, and dpi was invented... 15:57:21 *** xkill is now known as riot 15:58:41 <peter1138> yes 15:58:47 <peter1138> well, mind you, it doesn't really work well in windows... 15:59:55 <Tefad> heeee 16:01:19 <Darkvater> peter1138: it works about as good as in openttd ;p 16:01:24 <Darkvater> s/good/well 16:01:27 <peter1138> :) 16:01:27 <Mikachu> yeah the windows gui is pixelbased, isn't it? 16:01:29 * Darkvater slaps himself silly 16:01:35 <Mikachu> unlike gtk+ or some other clever system :) 16:01:50 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-83-100-186-94.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:06:47 <Tefad> i think windows gui has some other weird units available to it 16:06:52 <Tefad> but bad coders use pixels 16:06:56 <peter1138> our promised c++ based gui never turned up 16:07:04 <peter1138> well, not really promised :) 16:07:09 <Tefad> which royally screws up DPI settings 16:07:21 <peter1138> and i don't think embedding gtk is possible or wanted... 16:07:25 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CCC8.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:07:29 *** mikl_ [~mikl@0x55514de1.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 16:08:13 * Darkvater will never have another espresso again! 16:08:22 <peter1138> hmm? 16:08:48 <Darkvater> who promised the c++ gui? ;) 16:08:51 <peter1138> mattc 16:08:58 <peter1138> or whoever it was 16:09:34 <peter1138> can't remember 16:09:37 <Darkvater> hmm wans't it espresso? 16:09:46 <peter1138> that sounds like an ex-colleague though. 16:09:47 <peter1138> hmm 16:12:47 <Belugas_Gone> espresso, capucino : I just don't care, as long as there is cafein inside! 16:12:56 <Belugas_Gone> the higher the %, the better it is!! 16:13:01 <Darkvater> ey belugas :) 16:13:16 <Belugas_Gone> hello Mister Darkvater :) 16:13:23 <Darkvater> I have something for ya ^^ 16:14:04 <Belugas_Gone> coffee?? 16:14:06 <Belugas_Gone> miam! 16:16:34 <Brianetta> highest is espresso 16:16:39 <Brianetta> percentage 16:17:22 <Brianetta> since capuccino and latte are just coctails of milk with a shot of espresso... 16:17:29 <Brianetta> espresso. undiluted. 16:18:40 <Belugas_Gone> my favorite :) 16:22:30 <Darkvater> home! 16:22:32 <Darkvater> whee 16:37:54 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F21D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:46:11 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC5C86.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:56:17 <LadyHawk> i dont like coffee 16:56:18 <LadyHawk> too bitter 16:56:27 <LadyHawk> unless thers like 6 sugars and lots of milk in 16:57:21 <LadyHawk> so i yet have to discover its beautiful waking up capabilities 16:58:40 <peter1138> yuck 16:59:39 <LadyHawk> haha 17:00:07 <LadyHawk> i never used to drink coffee or tea at all.. now i drink tea.. thanks to my boyfriend 17:00:14 <LadyHawk> i started to like a hot drink and tea was it 17:00:18 <peter1138> "documented limitation" :D 17:01:09 <LadyHawk> tea + 2-3 sugars, not too strong.. but people usually feed me tea + 2 sugars + milk which is also ok 17:01:23 <LadyHawk> see im not too picky ;p 17:02:34 *** Morlark [~richard@viglab-11.dcs.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 17:02:57 <Morlark> Faux: There you are! :o 17:06:47 <CIA-1> rubidium * r7478 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ (config.lib configure): [MakefileRewrite] -Feature: a seperate directory for intermediate files for debug and release compilations. 17:07:51 <Sacro> !seen Bobingabout 17:07:51 <_42_> Sacro, you know that the length of nicks is limited, don't you? 17:07:57 <Sacro> _42_: yes 17:08:01 <Sacro> !seen bobing* 17:08:02 <_42_> Sacro, I found one match to your query: BobingAbout. BobingAbout (BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-224-227.karoo.KCOM.COM) was last seen parting #openttd 3 days 21 hours 41 minutes ago (07.12. 19:26), after spending 33 minutes there. 17:10:12 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498E98D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:11:50 <CIA-1> glx * r7479 /trunk/misc_gui.c: -Fix r5946: don't lower non-existent widget 17:18:41 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5772982.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:19:30 *** DirtYiCE [~dirty_ice@84.236.50.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:24:41 * Brianetta applies peter1138's dodgy traincontrol patch 17:24:54 <Brianetta> applied cleanly (excepting trainilng CRs) 17:25:07 <Mikachu> fromdos is a nice command 17:25:15 <Brianetta> Bit late now 17:25:27 <Brianetta> It worked, anyway 17:25:31 <Brianetta> patch stripped them 17:25:42 <Brianetta> compiled 17:25:49 <Mikachu> it's easier to spot rejects without all those warnings though 17:25:59 <Brianetta> It only patched a half dozen files 17:26:41 <Sacro> Brianetta: patchlink! 17:27:09 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 17:27:09 <Sacro> !logs 17:31:51 <Brianetta> Sacro: It's not very good 17:31:56 <Brianetta> !lastlog diff 17:32:02 <Brianetta> drat, that should have been a / 17:32:13 <Brianetta> http://fuzzle.org/o/traincontrol.diff 17:32:18 <hylje> :o 17:32:26 <Sacro> :o 17:32:33 <Brianetta> OK, be prepared for this: ALL TRAINS ARE MANUALLY CONTROLLED 17:32:36 <Sacro> but will VS2005 be nice to compile :s 17:32:41 <Sacro> Brianetta: crashy crashy 17:32:44 <Brianetta> indeed so 17:32:52 <Brianetta> They appear to slow down for red lights 17:32:56 <Brianetta> but that's all 17:33:05 <Brianetta> they don't stop for stations unless you stop them 17:33:26 <Brianetta> basically, the game isn't playable with this patch 17:33:27 <Ailure> I really look forward controlling a 200 train network that way 17:33:35 <Brianetta> unless you have, say, three trains, and fast reactions. 17:34:07 <Brianetta> oh, and the speed slider resets to full brakes when you close and reopen a train window 17:34:31 <Brianetta> It's not quite like the locomotion one (: 17:34:45 <Sacro> hmmm... 17:34:51 <Sacro> compiling using windows is fun 17:34:54 <Brianetta> but it's a wip 17:34:58 <Brianetta> a very low priority wip 17:35:07 * Brianetta pokes peter1138 17:35:35 <peter1138> hmm? 17:35:42 <hylje> include this thing in trunk! 17:35:42 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 17:36:03 <peter1138> i didn't say it was workable :) 17:36:16 <Brianetta> peter1138: It's fab! 17:36:20 <peter1138> it needs 1) a button to enable/disable manual control 17:36:23 <Brianetta> although I'd prefer only having to control one (: 17:36:25 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host212-235-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:36:35 <peter1138> 2) er, somethign else 17:36:43 <Brianetta> peter1138: It needs to remember the state of the slider, too 17:36:45 <Wolf01> evening 17:36:48 <peter1138> that's easy 17:36:54 <Brianetta> trains coast about, and when you click them the slider's full eft 17:37:05 <peter1138> i'm going home... maybe i'll do more to it then :) 17:37:10 <Brianetta> The speedo's knackered, too (: 17:37:23 <peter1138> yes, it shows the slider's setting 17:37:36 <peter1138> if you set your units to metric you got -100 to 100 17:37:43 <Brianetta> >0 = power, <0 = brakes? 17:37:48 <peter1138> yes 17:37:51 <peter1138> 0 == coast :D 17:37:53 <Brianetta> Yes, I am metric 17:38:02 <peter1138> that'll change, of course 17:38:05 <Brianetta> They handle nicely 17:38:09 <Brianetta> I even stopped for passengers 17:38:15 <Brianetta> very heavy (: 17:38:36 <peter1138> try stopping down a steep hill... 17:38:36 <Brianetta> It's a worry, not knowing if that green is going to stay green... 17:38:46 <Sacro> anyone using tortoisesvn? 17:38:50 <Sacro> i cant figure how to patch 17:38:55 <Brianetta> and you know it isn't, because the other trains aren't stoping (: 17:39:02 <Brianetta> Sacro: Linux? 17:39:06 <Sacro> Brianetta: no, windows 17:39:11 <Brianetta> On your own.. 17:39:28 * Sacro downloads cygwin 17:39:50 <Brianetta> Sacro: No need 17:39:51 <Brianetta> wait 17:39:54 <Brianetta> that's bilky 17:39:56 <Brianetta> bulky 17:40:00 <Brianetta> just look for gnu32 17:40:06 <Brianetta> gnu tools compiled for win32 17:40:11 <Brianetta> patch is one of them 17:40:13 <Brianetta> as is unrr (: 17:40:15 <Brianetta> unrar 17:40:17 <Brianetta> and ls 17:40:21 <Brianetta> and wget 17:40:24 <Sacro> mingw 17:40:24 <Brianetta> and dd 17:40:28 <Brianetta> nah 17:40:31 <Brianetta> not mingw 17:40:32 <Sacro> hmm 17:40:45 * Brianetta hunts for 'em 17:41:11 <Brianetta> http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/ 17:41:34 <Brianetta> and yes, it includes patch 17:42:06 <Brianetta> http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/patch.htm 17:42:11 <Faux> So, anyone want to tell me what happened to openttd-gpmi yet? ;) 17:42:56 <Brianetta> gpmi? 17:42:57 <glx> Sacro: rename gnu patch.exe to something else if you don't want its name to conflict with MS patch.exe :) 17:42:59 <Brianetta> wassat? 17:43:06 <Sacro> glx: thanks 17:43:12 <Brianetta> MS patch.exe? yucky 17:43:20 <Brianetta> I be it doesn't even do what patch should 17:43:21 <Ailure> Random people have blurted gpmi now 17:43:22 <Sacro> i have a patch alrady? 17:43:25 <Ailure> but i never understanded what it is. 17:43:26 <Morlark> GPMI! 17:43:26 <glx> Faux: not finished (and too much work done for it) 17:44:13 <glx> *not too much :) 17:44:14 <Faux> glx: Shame. :/ 17:44:53 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-140-196-226.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:45:20 <Faux> The subversion server has even disappeared, too, it appears. 17:45:26 <Maedhros> hi 17:45:49 <Morlark> Faux: Make the GPMI work, plx plx plx? 17:46:02 <Brianetta> This i sthe one I use: http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ 17:46:09 <Brianetta> It's older than gnuwin32 17:46:16 <Brianetta> but it has all the utils I use in one package 17:46:46 <Brianetta> makes those times I boot Windows, more bearable. 17:51:09 <Sacro> ah, figured out tortoisemerge 17:52:22 <glx> I only use makedepend from unxutils 17:52:56 <glx> as I can't compile it by myself due to too many X stuff needed for it 17:54:31 <Sacro> errr... 17:54:50 <Sacro> 1) main screen was totally different 17:54:59 <Sacro> 2) got !disconnecting train before i loaded a game 17:56:27 <Sacro> http://fuzzle.org/o/traincontrol.diff 17:56:43 <Sacro> grrr, stupid os and its non x middle click 17:56:51 <Sacro> Reason: !Disconnecting train 17:56:51 <Sacro> Exception C0000005 at 0042115F 17:58:16 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176100027.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:00:23 <Sacro> peter1138: ping 18:03:42 <Wolf01> * ping 18:04:45 *** DirtYiCE [~dirty_ice@84.236.50.38] has joined #openttd 18:04:51 *** DirtYiCE [~dirty_ice@84.236.50.38] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:05:13 *** DirtYiCE [~dirty_ice@84.236.50.38] has joined #openttd 18:05:37 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:06:16 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ac4.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:06:17 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 18:06:51 <Sacro> oh noes 18:07:22 <Bjarni> what happen? 18:07:31 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 18:09:21 <Bjarni> hehehe, the TV guys fucked up. They added subtitles and then they added the same subtitles, but with an offset of one char, making it look somewhat less than ideal 18:17:04 <Wolf01> question: what is changed in the checklist (show city names, show signs etc) of the main toolbar? 18:19:51 *** PandaMojo_ [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 18:23:13 <Wolf01> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/Settebello_power_car.JPG/250px-Settebello_power_car.JPG <- it should be drawn in 2 pieces or is possible to have one long engine? 18:24:43 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:24:44 *** PandaMojo_ is now known as PandaMojo 18:25:00 <Tefad> holy 18:25:01 <peter1138> split it 18:25:16 <Sacro> peter1138: your train control patch breaks the main screen 18:25:19 <peter1138> or shorten it like everything else 18:25:21 <peter1138> Sacro: yes 18:25:24 <peter1138> so? 18:25:34 <Sacro> peter1138: any chance of a server :p 18:25:46 <peter1138> no, it's not network safe 18:26:00 <Sacro> shame, would keep the co-op people busy for hours 18:26:35 <Sacro> though it needs proper steam controls 18:27:26 <peter1138> uh huh 18:27:40 <peter1138> not gonna happen :P 18:27:58 <Sacro> aww :( 18:28:09 <Sacro> only want a regulator... and errr... t'other one 18:28:18 <Sacro> oh, and brakes with apply, lap and release 18:28:31 <Sacro> ooh and a dynamic brake and engine brake for diesels 18:30:05 <CIA-1> miham * r7480 /trunk/lang/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 18:30:05 <CIA-1> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-12-11 19:29:26 18:30:05 <CIA-1> croatian - 126 fixed, 45 changed by knovak (171) 18:30:05 <CIA-1> danish - 9 fixed, 3 changed by ThomasA (12) 18:30:05 <CIA-1> dutch - 4 fixed by habell (4) 18:30:07 <CIA-1> esperanto - 246 fixed, 1 changed by LaPingvino (247) 18:33:33 *** orudge` is now known as orudge 18:33:47 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 18:34:24 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-141-224-5.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 18:36:51 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Server closed connection] 18:36:52 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 18:37:19 *** ufoun_ [~ha@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has left #openttd [] 18:41:57 *** e1ko [~L@a02-0432b.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 18:44:09 *** Morlark [~richard@viglab-11.dcs.warwick.ac.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:45:47 <Wolf01> train control? 18:49:53 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r7481 /branches/newhouses/newgrf.c: 18:49:53 <CIA-1> [NewHouses] -Fix: Apply an offset to the original building name strings, 18:49:53 <CIA-1> as our strings have been moved slightly from TTDPatch. 18:54:31 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 18:54:31 <Sacro> !logs 19:03:31 *** Digitalfox [~digitalfo@bl7-186-154.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [] 19:04:15 *** LaPingvino [~chatzilla@82-171-74-245.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 19:08:09 *** DirtYiCE [~dirty_ice@84.236.50.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:09:26 <Darkvater> !openttd commi 7479 19:10:18 <LadyHawk> ohno, spies! 19:10:23 * LadyHawk hides in fear 19:10:40 <Nigel_> commi? 19:11:00 <Nigel_> ahhh! the communist resistance is not far away! 19:12:29 <Darkvater> !openttd commit 7479 19:12:32 <_42_> Commit by glx :: r7479 /trunk/misc_gui.c (2006-12-11 17:11:44 UTC) 19:12:34 <_42_> -Fix r5946: don't lower non-existent widget 19:12:41 <Darkvater> wtf 19:12:43 * Darkvater is an idiot 19:12:53 <Darkvater> !openttd commit 5946 19:13:03 <_42_> Commit by truelight :: r5946 /trunk/ (66 files in 5 dirs) (2006-08-19 10:00:30 UTC) 19:13:04 <Darkvater> come on 19:13:05 <_42_> -Add: merged the TGP branch to mainline. TGP adds: 19:13:07 <_42_> - New optional landscape generator (TerraGenesis Perlin) 19:13:09 <_42_> - Load heightmaps (either BMP or PNG) 19:13:11 <_42_> - Progress dialog while generating worlds (no longer a 'hanging' screen) 19:13:13 <_42_> - New dialogs for NewGame, Create Scenario and Play Heightmap 19:13:15 <_42_> (...) (truncated) 19:13:44 <Darkvater> how's that MP-gui patch by Rubidium ? 19:19:25 *** ufoun_ [ha@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 19:21:05 *** ufoun_ [ha@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit [] 19:21:27 <peter1138> complicated 19:21:28 <Rubidium> my MP-gui patch is bitrotting for a few months; I guess you had the NewGRF semi-prejoin checks in mind, though the GUI part of that was written by peter1138 19:22:07 *** pecisk [~pecisk@purvc-44-54.maksinets.lv] has joined #openttd 19:22:44 <Rubidium> and those are awaiting review 19:22:52 <peter1138> yeah 19:23:28 <Rubidium> http://rubidium.student.utwente.nl/openttd/ <- the grfnet++++-*.diffs and not the grfnet++-*.diffs 19:27:38 <Darkvater> I meant just the MP-NewGRF GUI, pre-join checks (are those in yet?) and (perhaps website but that's the least priority) 19:28:11 <Darkvater> I will have a look at those diffs tonight when I get back 19:28:32 <peter1138> my original version just sends over the data in the same packet as everything else 19:28:39 <peter1138> so could cause problems 19:29:17 <peter1138> heh 19:29:27 <Darkvater> :) 19:29:41 <peter1138> this gkirilov guy still wants to use non-newgrf files... o_O 19:30:13 <Rubidium> those were silently ignored, right? 19:30:14 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/grfnet3.diff <-- simple version 19:30:19 <peter1138> Rubidium: yeah 19:30:47 <Darkvater> do we mean converted .exe files? 19:31:38 <peter1138> no idea 19:31:42 <peter1138> he's not said what he means 19:31:54 *** Nigel_ [~Nigel@202-154-144-120.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:32:18 <LadyHawk> lmao.. just started a new game and waited till 1 industry went production increase.. now im building a train track to it, it's going down again 19:32:19 <LadyHawk> my luck :D 19:32:23 * LadyHawk restarts 19:33:29 <Darkvater> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=528959#528959 19:33:38 <Darkvater> hmm Oskar is working on newobjects 19:33:50 <peter1138> yeah 19:36:13 * Darkvater looks up newobjects 19:37:16 <Darkvater> hmm doesn't exist on wiki 19:38:08 <Belugas_Gone> newtrees! 19:38:11 <Belugas_Gone> newroads! 19:38:58 <Darkvater> newtoads! 19:39:30 <Belugas_Gone> newtoasts 19:40:35 <Darkvater> newnews would be awesome 19:45:09 <Wolf01> i'm working on eyecandy to place those objects :D 19:45:20 <Wolf01> *eyecandy tool 19:46:31 <peter1138> you'll have a spec to follow soon 19:47:48 <Darkvater> pom, gotta run 19:47:53 <peter1138> bye 19:47:54 <Darkvater> peter1138: is this spec public? 19:48:05 <peter1138> you know as much as me :) 19:48:09 <Darkvater> he 19:48:18 <peter1138> it will be public, else no-one can use it 19:49:09 <Belugas_Gone> maybe newobjects will remaion undocumented... 19:50:27 <peter1138> rtfs :D 19:51:24 <peter1138> i'm waiting for gkirilov to list his grfs... 19:52:57 <peter1138> "Upgrade to 9629 cause glxinfo to segfault on Ti4200" 19:52:59 <peter1138> crap 19:53:01 <peter1138> that's my card :( 19:53:08 <peter1138> at least it explains glx not working... 19:54:29 * peter1138 wonders how the feck to downgrade with ubuntu 19:57:47 <Brianetta> me is being plaited 19:57:51 * Brianetta is being plaited 19:58:10 <Brianetta> I can feel my hair being tuged 19:58:36 <peter1138> heh 20:00:19 <Sacro> Brianetta: some nice pigtails? 20:00:33 <Brianetta> Nope 20:00:36 <Brianetta> a long plait 20:00:46 <Sacro> Brianetta: i downloaded the new starts for X3, got to play as a khaak 20:01:54 <LadyHawk> hm is the station rating, the train's age, still spread over just 3 years of age? 20:02:52 <peter1138> probably 20:02:58 <LadyHawk> if it is.. and the train's max age is about 20-25 (not sure anymore) why not spread it over say 19 years of age instead? would make more sense i think 20:03:51 <LadyHawk> or would that be 'too easy' because it is pretty hard to keep station rating at 90+ 20:05:41 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 20:05:46 <peter1138> dunno 20:05:56 <peter1138> but i reckon it's time for a new game on my server 20:07:17 <LadyHawk> i'm just playing silly scenarios i make.. atm just 2 coal mines 1 power station and lots of tiny trains on a huge station lol 20:07:31 <LadyHawk> i still miss pbs :'( 20:10:02 <Brianetta> I don't miss the crashes 20:10:09 <Brianetta> or the lag from NPF 20:10:25 <Brianetta> All my PBS junctions were built so that they'd continue to function without PBS 20:10:36 <Brianetta> because, inevitably, I'd disable NPF 20:10:44 <Brianetta> remember those days, peter1138? 20:10:52 <peter1138> yeah 20:10:53 <LadyHawk> i havent had it crash on me.. it frequently bugged with trains taking the longest way out, but it was still a lot faster than entrance/combo/exit signals 20:10:59 * Sacro remembers the old pbs days 20:11:04 <Sacro> many died... 20:11:10 <Brianetta> Sacro: That was funny 20:11:12 <LadyHawk> i liked using it to exit big stations with all lines connected and about 6 lanes out of the station 20:11:27 <Sacro> Brianetta: i didnt mean to kill them all 20:12:00 <LadyHawk> also a very cool thing i found was putting a PBS signal in front of a train depot on a PBS junction 20:12:22 <Sacro> oh? 20:12:22 <LadyHawk> dont work no more lol 20:12:54 <LadyHawk> trains wouldnt try to enter the depot if a train was waiting to get out.. and the depot didnt block up a junction anymore that way 20:13:12 <LadyHawk> and no trains would get stuck forever in the depot either 20:13:26 <LadyHawk> cuz of the PBS signal, they could wait there with their heads stickin out of the depot 20:13:57 <peter1138> ... 20:14:02 <peter1138> no need for that 20:14:15 <peter1138> the depot became a pbs signal so it worked nicely 20:14:33 <peter1138> now the depot acts as a presignal, so it works in front of presignal stuff 20:14:55 <LadyHawk> trains would get stuck in the depot tho cuz all other trains would still see it as a 'free' way to go to even though trains were waiting to get out 20:18:46 *** Szandor [~2@host86-136-93-183.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:18:55 *** mikl_ [~mikl@0x55514de1.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: In the end, all that matters is your relation with God...] 20:19:32 *** mikl [~mikl@tbv.faderhuset.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:26:51 <CIA-1> miham * r7482 /trunk/lang/unfinished/esperanto.txt: 20:26:51 <CIA-1> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-12-11 21:26:12 20:26:51 <CIA-1> esperanto - 180 fixed by LaPingvino (180) 20:29:32 <Wolf01> compile farm failed tonight? 20:29:59 <Wolf01> no problem... no new features :P 20:31:42 <LadyHawk> youch *rubs ears* 20:31:56 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-169-099.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 20:32:13 <LadyHawk> i just had to disable improvedl oading algorithm cuz it works too slow to keep up with the junk that's put on the station.. and 8 trains tried to leave at the same time 20:32:19 <LadyHawk> sound went crackling and hurt my ears lol 20:32:34 <peter1138> hehe 20:35:44 <Bjarni> you should not turn the volume up that high 20:35:49 <Bjarni> it can hurt your speakers 20:37:58 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-100-025.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:38:06 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 20:38:54 <ln-> this is quite unbelievable: http://media.putfile.com/Verizon-Bad-Math 20:39:09 *** lolman [~John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 20:39:14 <lolman> :o 20:41:14 <jotham_> haha 20:41:15 <lolman> llo :) 20:41:17 <jotham_> that's rediculous 20:41:54 <LadyHawk> lol 20:45:15 <LadyHawk> whahaha 20:45:17 <LadyHawk> that's nuts! 20:45:32 <jotham_> yeah 20:45:36 <jotham_> that's pretty fucking weak sauce 20:49:16 *** lolman [~John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:50:16 <LadyHawk> i wonder what 'being a supervisor' has to do with 'simple math' 20:50:21 <jotham_> haha 20:50:22 <jotham_> yeah 20:54:11 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CCC8.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Life is a game of pick-up-sticks, played by fucking lunatics.] 20:57:21 * Brianetta loads a busy saved game with peter's traincontrol patch 20:57:28 <Brianetta> Let's see the fireworks 20:59:11 <Bjarni> what patch? 20:59:56 <Brianetta> traincontrol 21:00:04 <Brianetta> it's not seriously ready for anything yet 21:00:10 <Brianetta> but it's kind of cool 21:00:21 <Bjarni> where is it? 21:01:03 <Brianetta> http://fuzzle.org/o/traincontrol.diff 21:01:29 <Mikachu> it would be useful if the text area expanded instead of the slider when you make the window larger 21:02:37 <peter1138> o_O 21:04:37 *** GoneWack1 [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 21:04:37 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:06:59 <Brianetta> I can't get trains to laod passengers ): 21:07:31 <hylje> maybe you weren't expecting the spanish inquisition 21:07:50 <Brianetta> well, I can, but only at stations where they have orders, it seems 21:08:14 <Brianetta> Heh, you can land them in terminus stations as hard as you like 21:08:36 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 21:16:38 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83F0B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: icebears... take care of them!] 21:17:23 <peter1138> Brianetta: that's one of the bits that doesn't work 21:17:27 <peter1138> (stopping at stations) 21:17:39 <Brianetta> so I see 21:17:50 <Brianetta> I'm running my network 21:17:56 <Brianetta> 46 trains 21:18:03 <Brianetta> at a DRAWL 21:18:04 <Brianetta> er 21:18:06 <Brianetta> a CRAWL 21:18:15 <Brianetta> mostly just getting them into depots 21:18:15 <peter1138> all manual is a bit of a bitch ;p 21:18:26 <peter1138> you are bored 21:18:27 <hylje> next step from all manual is 21:18:28 <peter1138> clearly 21:18:32 <hylje> scriptable trains 21:18:42 <Brianetta> Good thing is, they all stopped as the game loaded 21:18:47 <hylje> because going manually is annoying 21:18:50 <Brianetta> all the competitors' maglevs immediately died 21:18:50 <peter1138> lol 21:18:53 <peter1138> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=28949 21:19:15 <Brianetta> Just having control of one train would be very cool 21:19:56 <hylje> peter1138: :o 21:20:04 <Brianetta> Stopping at end of line is easy 21:20:12 <peter1138> yup 21:20:18 <Brianetta> And I get cash 21:20:21 <peter1138> there's no scope for running off the end 21:20:22 <hylje> Brianetta: ie. all other trains go AI'd, you could possess single trains? 21:20:24 <Brianetta> so I can operate my maglev (: 21:20:27 <peter1138> although... 21:20:31 <Brianetta> hylje: Yes 21:20:36 <peter1138> i guess i could make it crash...... 21:20:42 <hylje> make it so 21:20:46 <hylje> make trains easier to crash 21:20:54 <hylje> maybe sometimes crash them on curves 21:21:00 * peter1138 plays with SAC's trees 21:21:13 <hylje> (especially when driving it yourself) 21:21:25 <hylje> ai would automagically use safe speeds there 21:21:45 <Brianetta> hey, you can brake like FURY at red lights (: 21:21:56 <Brianetta> I thought I was going to totally SPAD 21:22:02 <Brianetta> but I stopped on nothing 21:22:08 <hylje> that's totally unrealistic 21:22:16 <Brianetta> It's how it workd right now 21:22:34 <Brianetta> I control the trains, but they still have all their superpowers 21:22:51 <Brianetta> anyway, until we have default-red, we have to be able to react to a green turning red 21:23:08 <peter1138> hmm 21:23:38 <peter1138> pb_build.grf is quite interesting 21:23:43 <peter1138> makes it... more expensive 21:23:59 <peter1138> track laying is doubled, bridges and tunnels way more expensive 21:25:26 *** LaPingvino [~chatzilla@82-171-74-245.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]] 21:27:13 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@p54B3F0E7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:28:28 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:31:15 <Maedhros> hmm... http://dev.gentoo.org/~maedhros/openttd/orphaned-road.png 21:31:43 <peter1138> o_O 21:31:45 <peter1138> how? 21:32:10 <Maedhros> i have no idea - the town was just built like that... (this is trunk, btw) 21:32:46 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B3DC10.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:34:25 <izhirahider> Maedhros, what NewGRF are you using over there for that screenshot? 21:35:48 <Brianetta> peter1138: The actual control of trains is perfect, although I'd second the suggestion to make the stop bar, not the control slider, resizeable. 21:35:49 <Ailure> TTRS2 or whatever it was called now 21:35:59 <Maedhros> izhirahider: Born_Acorn's roadset - http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=27963 21:36:16 <Maedhros> oh, you mean Belugas' town replacement set 21:36:51 <Maedhros> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=20781 21:37:40 *** cocobo_ [~cocobo@85.8.9.32.se.wasadata.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:46:20 <izhirahider> both by the way, thanks 21:46:48 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 21:47:16 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498E98D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 21:50:01 *** GoneWack1 [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:51:49 <Brianetta> Trains involuntarily slow down for reds when on manual 21:51:56 <Brianetta> Helps keep spacing 21:52:08 <Brianetta> They really crawl past one way signals the wrong way 21:52:23 <Brianetta> The reticence at reds makes the network much safer 21:53:17 <Brianetta> Until you ask one to go to depot 21:53:22 <Brianetta> then it just stops for no reason 21:53:32 <Brianetta> and seven trains pile into its arse... 21:56:18 <peter1138> 17 grfs :D 21:58:33 <Bjarni> peter1138: I tried your speed throttle patch thing. I didn't really see any effect of the slider :s 22:00:46 <Bjarni> maybe I did it wrong though. I just made a train with one engine and two wagons and without orders and made it leave the depot. The speed and acceleration appeared not to be affected by the slider at all 22:01:04 <Brianetta> Bjarni: It's at neutral in the middle 22:01:36 <Brianetta> 100% --> Brakes --> 0% <-- Throttle <-- 100% 22:02:29 <Bjarni> I tried -100, -50, 1 (didn't hit 0), 50 and 100. All of them made the train accelerate 22:03:07 <Brianetta> I'm driving a train now 22:03:20 <Brianetta> It coasts at 0 22:04:28 <Bjarni> hmm, loading a savegame with trains with actual orders, it works 22:08:55 <Brianetta> Isn't it fun? 22:09:08 <Bjarni> not really compared to the real thing 22:09:16 <Bjarni> but it got potiential 22:09:17 <Mikachu> next step is controlling trains with the macbook motion sensor 22:09:30 <Brianetta> joystick throttle 22:09:39 <Brianetta> ooh, my train honked, I have to pull away 22:10:25 <Brianetta> I wish I could see my speed 22:10:26 <Bjarni> hey, that gave me an idea 22:10:30 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC5C86.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10:39 <Bjarni> we should add a horn button :D 22:10:41 <peter1138> heh 22:11:06 <Brianetta> £17,000,000 22:11:08 <Brianetta> cool 22:11:24 <Brianetta> honk 22:11:31 <Brianetta> full load orders are full (: 22:11:48 <jotham_> http://www.pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF205-Robin_Hood.jpg#194 22:12:33 <Brianetta> peter, if you can work out stopping at any station, and allowing selective manual control, this is basically ready 22:12:34 <peter1138> yay, fast-forward server :D 22:12:48 <Brianetta> except that I can't see how fast my train is going 22:12:59 <Brianetta> OK, let's take the Wardale 5AT for a spin 22:12:59 <peter1138> i'd like to make it network safe 22:13:03 <peter1138> that'll be fixed, heh 22:13:06 <Brianetta> peter1138: In your own time (: 22:13:34 * peter1138 has set a "daylength" of 1/3 22:14:00 <Brianetta> OK, steam is less responsive than a Pendolino 22:16:08 <peter1138> hmm 22:16:15 <peter1138> sac's trees are a bit big, i think 22:16:24 <Szandor> I get this: 22:16:24 <Szandor> fios.c: In function `FiosGetTemplateList': 22:16:24 <Szandor> fios.c:368: error: `_path' undeclared (first use in this function) 22:16:38 <Szandor> seems to be fixed by changing _path to _paths 22:16:56 <peter1138> try the current version 22:17:13 <peter1138> fios.c:368 is " */" 22:17:35 <Mikachu> i remember seeing a commit message about changing _path to _paths 22:17:39 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-157-106.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:17:41 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0CF9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:17:48 <peter1138> smells like the miniin, actually 22:18:08 <glx> Szandor: I'm quite sure I commited the correct thing in MiniIN :) 22:19:45 <Szandor> my mistake, it's in the middle of somethign added by a patch 22:20:11 <Szandor> oops 22:20:23 <Rubidium> Mikachu: you should pay more attention to the commit messages 22:20:37 <Mikachu> it could have been the other way around maybe? 22:20:41 <Rubidium> !openttd commit 7449 22:20:47 <_42_> Commit by Darkvater :: r7449 /trunk/ (17 files) (2006-12-09 10:56:12 UTC) 22:20:49 <_42_> -Codechange: Rename _path to _paths as it is technically more correct, but mainly because 22:20:51 <_42_> it interferes with OS/2 symbol in libc (psmedley) 22:20:59 <Mikachu> so i was correct? 22:21:00 *** glx|away [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 22:21:20 <Rubidium> hmm, need to buy glasses I guess... 22:21:25 * Rubidium goes to bed first 22:27:42 *** Netsplit osmosis.oftc.net <-> helium.oftc.net quits: @Darkvater, eQualizer, coronel, Triffid_Hunter, Ailure, Frostregen, DaleStan, BJH2, peter1138, Born_Acorn, (+59 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 22:27:56 *** Netsplit over, joins: GoneWacko, glx|away, Mucht_, scia, Osai^2, Frostregen, pecisk, e1ko, KritiK, PandaMojo (+58 more) 22:28:09 *** mode/#openttd [+o Rubidium] by ChanServ 22:28:09 *** Netsplit charon.oftc.net <-> cation.oftc.net quits: A1win, Ailure, |Jeroen|, KritiK, MUcht, e1ko, coronel, CasB, +glx, Vikthor, (+1 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 22:28:11 *** Netsplit over, joins: e1ko, KritiK, Vikthor, XeryusTC, CasB, Ailure, A1win, coronel 22:28:26 *** pecisk [~pecisk@purvc-44-54.maksinets.lv] has quit [Quit: J?iet prom] 22:31:08 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176100027.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 22:33:03 *** Netsplit helium.oftc.net <-> strange.oftc.net quits: Frostregen, Osai^2 22:33:05 *** Netsplit over, joins: Osai^2, Frostregen 22:33:12 *** glx|away is now known as glx 22:34:29 <peter1138> nini 22:34:34 <XeryusTC> nice, 3 netsplits in a row 22:34:43 <Mikachu> better than 10 in the woods 22:34:44 <XeryusTC> someone must have taken out the scissors 22:37:26 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0CF9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 22:41:24 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57A0CF9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:48:04 *** Rens2RB6Vegas [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 22:49:55 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F21D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:53:18 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 22:53:32 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ac4.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:55:04 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-140-196-226.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: good night] 22:57:40 *** e1ko [~L@a02-0432b.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0.6/2006102918]] 23:03:34 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:04:37 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius-r4.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:05:01 *** _42_ [truelight@openttd.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:05:13 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57A0CF9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:05:39 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@zernebok.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:07:38 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57A0CF9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:32:12 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:32:55 *** Digitalfox [~digitalfo@bl8-42-134.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 23:33:40 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius-r4.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 23:34:40 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@zernebok.com] has joined #openttd 23:35:20 <Darkvater> hmm 23:37:03 <Darkvater> !seen madhros 23:38:14 *** _42_ [truelight@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 23:39:09 <Darkvater> !seen madhros 23:39:10 <_42_> Darkvater, I don't remember seeing madhros. 23:39:11 <Darkvater> stupid bot 23:39:16 <Darkvater> !seen maedhros 23:39:16 <_42_> Darkvater, Maedhros (~jc@host86-140-196-226.range86-140.btcentralplus.com) was last seen quitting #openttd 44 minutes ago (11.12. 22:55) stating "Quit: good night" after spending 5 hours 10 minutes there. 23:39:31 <glx> Darkvater: he's gone to sleep already 23:39:53 <Darkvater> I wonder if he saw the gradual loading bug on the forums 23:40:30 <glx> which one? 23:40:50 <Darkvater> 15:45 -!- Irssi: Unknown setting http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=528811#528811 23:42:45 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-157-106.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:43:55 <glx> he already knows about gradual+improved bug 23:46:31 <Mikachu> the "second train not starting until the first is finished even if there is enough for both" bug doesn't really have anything to do with gradual loading, it happens with normal loading too 23:46:54 <Mikachu> i think :) 23:48:09 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F21D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:50:42 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@p54B3F0E7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^2] 23:50:47 * Darkvater is bonkers 23:50:48 <Darkvater> gn