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00:10:41 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B3DF5E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 00:17:27 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Quit: On snow, everyone can follow your traces] 00:19:58 <gass> one question 00:20:18 <gass> lot's of time passed since i made this question last time 00:20:41 <gass> is it possible to play without the graphics from the original game? 00:20:51 <glx> not yet 00:20:57 <gass> thanks 00:21:19 <glx> and not until 32bpp stuff is finished 00:21:37 <Brianetta> I've driven all my trains 00:21:39 <Naksu> is that "never"? 00:21:41 <Brianetta> I didn't crash any (: 00:22:03 <glx> I think it's hard to stop trains correctly :) 00:22:08 <gass> i have not been watching for openttd's development ... 00:22:24 <gass> i would like it to enter debian 00:22:53 <glx> and if you don't pay enough attention, they pass red signals 00:23:30 <glx> also the cursor is too small 00:23:54 <gass> glx: LOL ... seems that openttd is a bit messy :P 00:24:13 <glx> gass: no it's a patch to manually dirve trains :) 00:24:16 <Eddi|zuHause> gass: i would not expect it too soon 00:24:31 <gass> LOL 00:24:53 <gass> Eddi|zuHause: well .. with the dependence on the original graphics ... it's same old story 00:25:03 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i know 00:25:57 <gass> someone near the openttd's development submit an ITP (intent to package) to debian, but it was refused 00:29:44 *** LadyHawk [here@82-47-23-153.cable.ubr02.dudl.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Life is a waste of time, time is a waste of life, so get wasted all of the time and have the time of your life] 00:30:21 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it would be kinda stupid to include a program where you cannot meet all requirements 00:31:12 <gass> yes 00:31:15 <gass> but 00:31:34 <gass> if people has the graphics ... or can get it at their own risk 00:31:43 <gass> why not? 00:31:55 <gass> quake is in debian 00:38:37 *** Sacro__ is now known as Sacro 00:47:27 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:55:26 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 00:55:27 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 00:58:52 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8116C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:01:26 *** pecisk [~pecisk@purvc-44-54.maksinets.lv] has quit [Quit: J?iet prom] 01:01:32 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ac4.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:02:10 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B84E3A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 01:02:12 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 01:12:33 *** robobed^ is now known as roboboy^ 01:24:12 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.140.113.154] has joined #openttd 01:28:26 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp83-237-103-122.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:29:51 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.140.113.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:38:07 *** LadyHawk [here@82-47-23-153.cable.ubr02.dudl.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 01:45:04 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-83-100-175-168.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:50:13 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Sleep] 01:58:12 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-71-63-10-125.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:58:24 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-71-63-10-125.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 02:04:29 *** gass [~any@81.84.150.238] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:07:14 *** orudge [~orudge@138.251.254.190] has quit [Quit: reboot] 02:08:05 *** Cassac [~cassacba5@84.211.8.243] has joined #openttd 02:10:26 *** Ammler [~Ammler@117-207.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 02:22:33 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-155.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 02:22:53 *** orudge [~orudge@8afbfebe.resnet.st-andrews.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 02:22:56 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 02:30:53 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76AC8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:37:36 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77464.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:39:11 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 02:41:56 *** qb [~qball@ipd50a4125.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:54:10 *** lws|Away is now known as lws1984 02:54:48 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:03:18 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B84E3A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:05:22 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B836A7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 03:05:23 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 03:10:31 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@203-97-223-241.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #openttd 03:13:58 *** Zahl22 [~SENFGURKE@p549F274C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 03:14:01 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@p549F27F7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Zahl22))] 03:14:01 *** Zahl22 is now known as Zahl 03:17:04 <Nigel_> i realise gass has left... but i need a need to correct him on something... 03:18:01 <Nigel_> "<gass> quake is in debian" yes, it is in debian, but it is in Contrib because it is, impossible for the requirements to be fullfilled in a DFSG way, ditto with OpenTTD 03:23:37 <Cassac> Hmm... any good sites to download maps from? 03:24:29 <jotham_> heh maps 03:24:55 <jotham_> THATS SO CUTE 03:26:05 <Cassac> jotham, heh... it is? :P 03:32:36 <Cassac> scenarios then 03:33:25 <Alltaken> i prefer to call them "game boards" :P 03:35:01 <jotham_> canvas, workspace, undomesticated noise 03:36:03 <Cassac> Okey, but still, is it a great place to download such? :P 03:39:57 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@p549F274C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: YOU! It was you wasn't it!?] 03:44:13 <Alltaken> Cassac: not sure sorry 03:47:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> i'm pretty sure you'd find some on the forum 04:00:43 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6C03.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:02:49 *** jotham [~drone@206.47.165.96] has quit [Server closed connection] 04:03:00 *** jotham [~drone@206.47.165.96] has joined #openttd 04:09:54 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:42:04 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@213.59.125.22] has joined #openttd 04:42:48 <Smoky555> morning :) 04:43:17 <Smoky555> does anybody can tell me, svn mailing list is working or not? 05:03:22 *** riot [~wntrmut@clx-ac2-56-3.westend.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:05:27 *** riot [~wntrmut@clx-ac2-214-3.westend.com] has joined #openttd 05:12:21 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-157-106.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 05:15:11 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 05:15:51 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B836A7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:20:23 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81A7B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:20:26 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 05:20:27 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-167-179.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:20:50 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6C03.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 05:36:36 *** CIA-1 [cia@cia.navi.cx] has quit [] 05:36:40 *** CIA-2 [cia@cia.navi.cx] has joined #openttd 05:36:41 *** CIA-1 [cia@cia.navi.cx] has joined #openttd 05:36:54 *** CIA-2 [cia@cia.navi.cx] has quit [] 05:37:00 *** Ammler [~Ammler@117-207.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 05:47:18 *** DannyA [~Danny.Ale@CPE-138-217-252-154.wa.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 05:47:18 *** Danny [~Danny.Ale@CPE-138-217-252-154.wa.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:55:51 *** Celestar_ [~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has joined #openttd 06:55:51 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:01:27 *** TinoDidri is now known as Jezral 07:06:39 *** DannyA [~Danny.Ale@CPE-138-217-252-154.wa.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:31:41 *** qb [~qball@ipd50a4125.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 07:50:34 *** peter1138 [~peter@217.151.109.196] has joined #openttd 07:59:00 <peter1138> hello, etc. 08:04:09 <Nigel_> goodbye, etc. 08:04:12 <Nigel_> :P 08:12:53 *** roboboy^ [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:32:19 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: pong 08:44:41 *** mikl [~mikl@tbv.faderhuset.org] has joined #openttd 08:46:19 *** mikl [~mikl@tbv.faderhuset.org] has quit [] 08:56:29 *** roboboy^ [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:56:53 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81A7B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:31:37 *** e1ko [~L@a02-0432b.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 09:41:16 <Darkvater> morning 09:41:57 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CCC8.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 09:42:01 <Darkvater> Nigel_: yes, belugas fixed it in a consequtive commit 09:43:43 <Darkvater> so I closed it 09:43:46 <Darkvater> (again) 09:56:06 <Celestar_> hm 09:56:17 <Celestar_> is there a way to install Postscipt fonts in linux/X 10:00:05 <Darkvater> ey morning Celestar_ 10:01:06 <Nigel_> Darkvater, ahh right, thanks 10:13:47 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CCC8.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Life is a game of pick-up-sticks, played by fucking lunatics.] 10:18:21 <peter1138> lord vater 10:19:22 <Darkvater> St peter1138 10:20:07 <Brianetta> Darkvater: peter1138's latest crash'em-yourself patch is fab 10:20:40 <Darkvater> drive'em? 10:20:49 <Brianetta> peter1138: You can stop at arbitrary stations, but it requires a pixel-perfect stop 10:20:59 <Brianetta> Darkvater: feature6 (: 10:21:16 *** BFM [~BurningFe@CPE-60-227-109-191.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:21:54 <Darkvater> speak english please ;( 10:22:30 <Brianetta> http://www.chrissawyer.com/feature6.htm 10:22:42 <peter1138> Brianetta, yeah, didn't fiddle with that yet 10:22:53 <Brianetta> peter1138: It's easier with over-long platforms 10:22:59 <BFM> I go camping for 3 weeks... I think I broke my inbox spam record. 942... to think of all the awesome stock ops I've missed out on. :( 10:23:06 <Brianetta> and you can leave your tail sticking out, although in my game that blocked other trains 10:23:24 <Brianetta> BFM: Where did you go? 10:24:00 <Darkvater> spamville 10:24:11 <BFM> I left Sydney and went up to Brisbane to see Steve Irwins Zoo, then I headed south to Grafton and camped by the beach & river side ^_^ 10:24:21 <Brianetta> oooh 10:24:33 <Brianetta> I've only camped in the UK, where wildlife just isn't an issue 10:24:48 <Brianetta> except maybe foxes 10:24:58 <Brianetta> which scavenge your food 10:25:08 <Brianetta> (: 10:25:20 <peter1138> and squirrels 10:25:29 <Brianetta> Maybe down south 10:25:30 <BFM> Speaking of wildlife, I come back to my computer/music room at home... the windows jammed open here... anyway, I now have 1000 baby hunsman pets. I plan to take over the world with them, only if they don't short out my elecrtical equipment first :S 10:25:44 <Brianetta> cool! 10:25:57 <BFM> hunsman = spider = big f**k off spider when fully grown 10:26:02 * Brianetta is aware 10:26:03 <BFM> right now, they're tiny ^_^ 10:26:32 <Brianetta> You want a Sydney Funnel Spider 10:26:33 <BFM> I've no idea what to do with them... there literally is 1000's of them 10:26:40 <Brianetta> as long as you know where he lives, he's safe 10:26:48 <BFM> I saw one of them about a month ago whilst out fire fighting. I poked it with a stick ^_^ 10:26:49 <Brianetta> but the other spiders ain't 10:32:37 *** BFM [~BurningFe@CPE-60-227-109-191.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.8/2006102516]] 10:34:01 <Brianetta> anyway 10:34:07 <Brianetta> peter1138's patch rolls 10:34:18 <Brianetta> which is like rocking, but more train-oriented 10:38:34 <roboboy^> gnight 10:38:37 * roboboy^ folds out the bed and locks it into position. 10:38:42 *** roboboy^ is now known as robobed 10:39:58 <peter1138> it's quite useful for debugging too 10:43:55 <Brianetta> Will be fun in coop games 10:44:25 *** gass [~any@81.84.150.238] has joined #openttd 13:10:59 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 13:13:10 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0D78B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:19:51 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0D9AA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:24:52 *** imaginner [~imaginner@acls7.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 13:25:14 <imaginner> hi there 13:33:37 <Darkvater> hi 13:40:44 <peter1138> hmm 13:40:49 <peter1138> i can hear all the do-dos today 13:41:14 <Darkvater> :O 13:41:16 <Darkvater> With good behavior, Skilling, who was convicted of 19 13:41:16 <Darkvater> counts of fraud, conspiracy, insider trading and lying to 13:41:16 <Darkvater> auditors, can expect to serve 85 percent of his sentence, or 13:41:16 <Darkvater> roughly 20 years. If he enters an alcohol treatment program, he 13:41:16 <Darkvater> could shave another year off his term. 13:41:27 <Darkvater> Enron chief sentenced for 24 years 13:50:52 <Brianetta> heh 13:51:07 <Brianetta> Fraud is a serious crime in the UK... and elsewhere, apparently. 13:51:34 <Darkvater> it'd better be 13:52:18 <Darkvater> the guy lost the job for 5000 employees, their pensions and a *billion* loss 13:52:38 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 13:52:44 <Darkvater> the other guy got out of the whole deal pretty easily: he died back in June 13:52:59 <Brianetta> wimp 13:53:41 <Darkvater> :) 13:59:54 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6C03.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:00:27 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pD9EB6C03.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:02:34 *** GoneWack1 [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 14:04:12 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@213.59.125.22] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:04:50 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:04:50 *** GoneWack1 is now known as GoneWacko 14:07:58 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6C03.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:12:51 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 14:14:25 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B84A15.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:14:28 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 14:16:34 * Darkvater thinks peter1138 is much more productive when he is at work ;p 14:18:18 <peter1138> yeah, i'm busy playing now :P 14:18:48 <peter1138> did you go through the network stuff? 14:20:05 <Darkvater> it seems my server died or something 14:20:25 <Darkvater> whole terminal seems down 14:20:39 <peter1138> hmm 14:22:24 <Darkvater> or screen died or something, donnu 14:23:05 <Darkvater> it's still running I think 14:40:01 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:42:03 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC6B56.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:46:57 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:48:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> Maedhros: ping 14:48:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have an issue with diagonal crossings 14:48:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/pbs_vs_diag_crossings.diff 14:49:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, it's actually two issues, one of which is fixed in this diff 14:49:49 *** Belugas [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Quit: On snow, everyone can follow your traces] 14:53:04 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76AC8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:56:32 <Brianetta> Tigris desperately need to offer a standalone subversion client 14:56:49 <Brianetta> I dpn twant to muck about with Apache just to get OpenTTD checked out 14:56:58 <peter1138> huh? 14:59:02 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 14:59:06 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 15:00:56 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 15:02:28 <Darkvater> Brianetta: ? subversion doesn't need apache 15:02:35 <Darkvater> it has svnserve 15:02:37 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77496.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:02:55 <peter1138> right 15:03:07 <peter1138> i'm thinking 'get rid of evil macro in newgrf_spritegroup.c' 15:03:08 <peter1138> somehow 15:03:16 <Darkvater> which? 15:03:40 <peter1138> the 34 line one 15:03:46 <Brianetta> Darkvater: It needs the apr 15:03:50 <Brianetta> to build it 15:04:05 <Brianetta> I#m having to build it by hand because FC5 hasn't upgraded from 1.3 to 1.4 15:04:11 <Brianetta> whereas FC6 ahs 15:04:15 <Darkvater> it really needs apr? 15:04:17 <Darkvater> a1 15:04:18 <Darkvater> dammit 15:04:23 <Brianetta> and 1.4 silently upgrades all .svn files 15:04:34 <Brianetta> so 1.3 can't use the checked out copy 15:04:48 <Darkvater> define BUILD_EVAL_ADJUST o_O 15:04:51 <Brianetta> so me, roaming between FC5 and FC6 workstations, needs to build 1.4 for all the FC5 boxen 15:05:00 <Brianetta> because, according to Tigris, that's the only "fix" ther eis 15:05:19 <Darkvater> peter1138: you should put all of it on one line :D 15:05:28 <peter1138> lol 15:05:38 <Brianetta> svn is lovely when it works, but it's a huge crock of crap, IMO 15:07:31 <Brianetta> 15:02 <Darkvater> it has svnserve 15:07:36 <Brianetta> Even that is pathetic 15:07:37 <valhallasw> $Id$ O+ 15:07:39 <Brianetta> All I want is the client 15:07:56 <Darkvater> ah the client...and that needs apr? 15:08:06 <Brianetta> It can;t be built separately )-: 15:08:06 <Darkvater> he, that's sucky 15:08:14 <Brianetta> That's the entire crux of my frustration 15:08:22 <Darkvater> you know you shouldn't have used FC 15:08:28 <Brianetta> It assumes that you'll be wanting to build and install the server and client 15:08:55 <Brianetta> This wouldn't have been any better on any other cross-version distribution 15:09:42 <Brianetta> I'll be willing to bet that make install installs the server, too 15:10:23 <Eddi|zuHause> and why not find yourself a precompiled binary? 15:10:30 <Brianetta> Eddi: I tried 15:10:39 <Brianetta> This is me giving up after a week of searching 15:12:44 <Darkvater> what's wrong with a suse rpm? 15:12:53 <Brianetta> Different libraries 15:12:59 <Darkvater> I always go cross-distribution if things don't work 15:13:33 <Darkvater> Brianetta: you need it for FC5? 15:17:09 <Brianetta> Darkvater: Yes 15:19:24 <Eddi|zuHause> if the library versions do not match, the first thing i try is symlinking 15:19:42 <Noldo> :) 15:20:11 <Brianetta> Eddi: It's not worth that kind of mess 15:21:14 <Darkvater> upgrade to FC6 :) 15:24:15 *** Sjoerd- [~bla@ip54576152.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 15:25:02 <Sjoerd-> any way to remove a company password from another company (I have rcon etc.) other then save/restart game? 15:25:17 * Brianetta looks at Darkvater 15:25:21 <Brianetta> That breaks things 15:25:35 <Brianetta> The only benefit it provides is... 15:25:40 <Brianetta> no, sorry, I forgot it 15:26:09 <Noldo> why do you have one that is FC6 then? 15:26:13 <Sjoerd-> Brianetta was that for me? 15:26:18 <Brianetta> Sjoerd-: no 15:26:35 <Sjoerd-> I checked the openttd wiki but there is no solution it seems, right? 15:26:38 <Brianetta> Noldo: I upgraded one for review 15:26:47 * Brianetta runs a Linux user group 15:27:01 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@p549F274C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:27:22 <Brianetta> Sjoerd-: You already know the only ways to remove a password. 15:27:31 <Sjoerd-> ok, thanks 15:27:35 <Darkvater> password companies are so hacky... 15:27:38 <Darkvater> bleh 15:27:41 <Brianetta> You can try enabling autoclean 15:27:51 <Brianetta> but it can be dangerous, if you want all your companies to survuve 15:28:01 <Sjoerd-> it's someone else on my server 15:28:19 <Sjoerd-> ill save/restart it, thanks! 15:28:24 <Brianetta> Turn autoclean on, put autoclean_companies to maximum (255) and autoclean_passwords to 1 15:28:32 <Brianetta> then wait a game month 15:28:39 <Darkvater> hmm 15:28:42 <Darkvater> Sjoerd-: what you can do 15:28:49 <Brianetta> ten turn off autoclean before any companies are removed 15:29:04 <Darkvater> he nvm, you don't know the password I reckon :) 15:29:54 <Darkvater> we have a command for changing pw's so technically it's only a few extra lines of code to do "clean_pw [company]" 15:29:54 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-83-100-175-168.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:33:12 <Darkvater> hmm, ok a few more 15:33:26 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.140.113.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:33:54 <Sjoerd-> ah nice :) 15:33:58 <Darkvater> since pw isn't broadcast to the companies and server cannot send out such commands 15:34:07 <Darkvater> Sjoerd-: not nice cause someone has to write it 15:34:27 <Sjoerd-> well it's priority one right? 15:34:33 <Sjoerd-> 0.4.9 tomorrow? 15:34:46 <Darkvater> wha? 15:34:55 <Sjoerd-> you didn't know? 15:35:09 <Sacro> orly? 15:37:00 <hylje> YARLY 15:37:36 <Darkvater> yaeerr 15:38:20 <Sjoerd-> btw about the autoclean_passwords I never knew a think like that was available 15:38:38 <Sjoerd-> is there a list available somehwere for things like that? Maybe there are more awesome settings for me? 15:39:25 <Darkvater> list_vars, list_cmds and wiki.openttd.org 15:40:33 <Sjoerd-> thanks 15:42:57 <Brianetta> autoclean isn't selective enough for me 15:43:33 <Brianetta> I like the idea of clearing passwords, but clearing companies is a bit much... and the maximum time of 255 months isn't long in practice. 15:45:20 <Sjoerd-> you can't autoclean pass and at the same time not auto delete companies? 15:59:12 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 16:08:17 <peter1138> i just killed a tree 16:08:24 <peter1138> although it did defend itself 16:08:42 <peter1138> actually it's probably going to sprout up next year instead... 16:09:32 <Darkvater> lol 16:09:37 *** mikl [~mikl@tbv.faderhuset.org] has quit [Quit: In the end, all that matters is your relation with God...] 16:09:44 <Darkvater> we should make a screenshot-story about a tree's life 16:09:51 <imaginner> what kind of a tree was that? 16:09:54 <peter1138> screenshot? 16:10:04 <peter1138> hmm 16:10:19 <Darkvater> you know: [OTTD] Peter & Tree 16:10:23 <peter1138> imaginner, more of an unwieldy bush 16:10:31 <peter1138> Darkvater, too late :( 16:10:39 <Darkvater> "It was a lovely day this Saturday and I went out to practice my godly powers..." 16:11:01 <peter1138> it had spikes on it 16:11:10 <Darkvater> "See that little tree over there? It has annoyed countless tycoons over its lifetime with its flush greenness and and spikes..but that is about to end" 16:11:28 <imaginner> I see 16:11:35 <Darkvater> "The god taketh down upon him his dynamite and proceeded to most brutally to savage said tree" 16:11:46 <imaginner> lol 16:11:53 <Darkvater> "Loo and behold, it hasth sprout up the next year" 16:12:05 <Darkvater> "The lord gaveth up" 16:12:24 <Darkvater> I think it has a good story to it ^^ 16:13:59 <Darkvater> you know, add a little drama (eg fatherless children, dead squirrel's, that kind of stuff) and it can rival even the SAC saga 16:14:22 *** YogSothoth_ [~john@lns-bzn-56-82-255-205-149.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 16:14:55 *** YogSothoth [~john@lns-bzn-44-82-64-68-2.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:23:35 *** Cassac [~cassacba5@84.211.8.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:27:07 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:30:08 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.140.44.235] has joined #openttd 16:30:50 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [] 16:32:06 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-83-100-175-168.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:32:54 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 16:34:55 *** AltWouss [~wout@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:37:25 *** mrno [~noone@d5152F30B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:37:43 <Brianetta> Just accidentally erased all my SVN checkouts ): 16:38:06 <Eddi|zuHause> way to go! ;) 16:38:50 <Brianetta> Now I have to wait until I get home 16:39:08 <Brianetta> because the machine that takes backups at night is powered off 16:39:17 <Eddi|zuHause> but now you can recheckout the things with svn 1.3 16:39:30 <Eddi|zuHause> and prevent 1.4 from upgrading it 16:39:38 <Brianetta> until I use my FC6 box 16:39:43 <Brianetta> which is my main workstation at home 16:39:51 <Brianetta> and I'd still have to restore the game's grfs 16:39:58 <Brianetta> either from the same backup, or the CD 16:44:47 <Brianetta> I'd try to wake-on-lan it but I don't know the mac 16:46:50 <Eddi|zuHause> what? you don't have all your MACs memorized? :p 16:47:24 <Eddi|zuHause> how does wake on lan work anyway? 16:48:11 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-83-100-175-168.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:49:33 *** mrno [~noone@d5152F30B.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:51:37 <Brianetta> You type /sbin/ether-wake <mac> 16:51:45 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-83-100-175-168.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 16:51:49 <Brianetta> and if the machine with that mac hears it, it wakes up 16:51:57 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-83-100-175-168.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:52:02 <Brianetta> Newer machines show a NIC link light even when powered down 16:55:15 *** gass [~any@81.84.150.238] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:56:12 *** gass [~any@81.84.150.238] has joined #openttd 16:58:00 <Eddi|zuHause> now i only need a decent way to remote control windows machines... 16:58:10 <Brianetta> vnc 16:58:21 <Brianetta> if they're recent, rdesktop 16:58:37 <Brianetta> if you're brave (and they're recent), telnetd 16:58:46 <Brianetta> MS are so behind with their "new" features 16:59:07 <Brianetta> I like to install openssh and cygwin on Windows boxen 16:59:30 <Brianetta> then I can pretend they're real machines 17:00:39 <Eddi|zuHause> does that stuff work "silent" (i.e. i don't disturb the person sitting on the computer?) 17:00:57 <Brianetta> telnet and sshd are silent 17:01:03 <Brianetta> vnc controls their screen 17:01:06 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 17:01:18 <Brianetta> rdesktop logs them out, locks their screen and logs you in 17:01:58 <Sacro> Brianetta: can you sshd into a pc? 17:02:01 <Sacro> *windows 17:02:03 <Eddi|zuHause> my father would probably not like that :P 17:02:26 <Brianetta> Sacro: You can if you install cygwin 17:02:34 <Eddi|zuHause> windows is so not multi-user... 17:02:48 <Sacro> Brianetta: is there any real point? 17:03:09 <Brianetta> Sacro: well, yes. One can start and stop services, edit files, run IRC clients, etc, etc 17:03:21 <Brianetta> even run a dedicated openttd server if you compile it right 17:03:21 <Sacro> Brianetta: hmm, i tend to use X-Chat for IRC 17:03:29 <Brianetta> I did until last month 17:04:13 <Brianetta> Spent 7 years trying to make xchat look like ircII 17:04:25 <Brianetta> now I'm trying to make irssi look like xchat looking like ircII 17:08:51 <Sacro> heh 17:10:10 <scia> hmm 17:10:29 <scia> wasn't it you who did not like irssi at first? 17:11:14 <Sacro> i dont like irssi 17:15:42 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 17:16:11 *** AltWouss [~wout@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 17:19:38 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CE9D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:23:31 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 17:23:34 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:24:08 *** Digitalfox [~digitalfo@bl7-187-76.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 17:28:38 <Brianetta> I don't like irssi 17:28:58 <Brianetta> I'm having to make extensive modifications just to make it not-crap 17:29:30 <Brianetta> What bugs me is that messages and server notices appear in your active window, rather than a window containing a channel for that server. 17:29:48 <Brianetta> Nothing better than having your conversation broken up by a server MOTD form another network... 17:33:21 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ac4.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:33:24 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 17:34:42 <Rubidium> Brianetta: that make me wonder why my irssi does show server messages in a seperate window out of the box 17:34:49 <Rubidium> *makes 17:35:24 <Brianetta> Rubidium: You have a dedicated window for it. 17:35:33 <Rubidium> yup 17:35:43 <Brianetta> I could have, but I want server stuff to apear inthe chat... but only for the server I'm chatting on. 17:35:44 <Rubidium> well, one for all servers 17:35:53 <Brianetta> Such as /whois replies. 17:35:59 <Brianetta> Or walls 17:36:31 *** Digitalfox [~digitalfo@bl7-187-76.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:36:38 <Brianetta> If window 8 (for example) is connected to network A, messages form network B shouldn't be displayed in window 8. 17:39:56 <Rubidium> hmm, mine just dumps all server messages in window 1 17:40:25 <Rubidium> well, /whois goes to window 1, /names stays in the same window 17:41:05 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.8/2006102516]] 17:41:36 <Maedhros> Eddi|zuHause: yeah, diagonal crossings wasn't really made with mini-in in mind, so i'm not surprised that it breaks with pbs really 17:42:42 *** Digitalfox [~digitalfo@bl7-187-76.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 17:43:01 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i think you can free a bit if you code the "doubletrack" bit into the "track" bits 17:43:08 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-83-100-175-168.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:43:28 <Eddi|zuHause> "track" only uses values 0..5, so 6 and 7 could be used for doubletrack horizontal and vertical 17:44:17 <Eddi|zuHause> but that would require a conversion of old savegames, and i did not dare touching that on my own 17:44:48 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 17:46:13 *** YogSothoth__ [~john@lns-bzn-23-82-248-80-57.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 17:48:25 *** YogSothoth_ [~john@lns-bzn-56-82-255-205-149.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:49:28 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5772982.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:50:03 <peter1138> doubletrack = urgh no 17:51:12 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-83-100-175-168.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:51:41 <peter1138> actually 17:56:22 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-83-100-175-168.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:56:22 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:56:31 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 17:59:27 *** lolman [Tomsmate@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:59:41 <lolman> Evening :) 17:59:49 <Bjarni> lol to you too 18:00:09 <lolman> Ello Bjarni :_D 18:00:11 <lolman> :-D* 18:01:12 <peter1138> Bjarni, leave_depot_instantly, is it really nosave? 18:01:26 <Bjarni> only lolman corrects that amount of smilies 18:01:41 <Bjarni> errr 18:03:00 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-83-100-175-168.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:03:01 <Bjarni> I think so. It's always false unless when it enters a depot and should leave instantly. The vehicle is stopped, checked for autoreplace and replaced if needed and then started again if this flag is set and the flag is reset 18:03:19 <Digitalfox> well i have a question, i was just reading patch manual and found that they say " The game has a hardcoded limit of vehicle types. There can be 116 different train vehicles, 88 road vehicles, 11 ships and 41 aircraft, adding up to 256 in total. It's impossible to have more variety than this in any one game. 18:03:19 <Digitalfox> This is not the same as the number of individual consists in the game. 18:03:36 <Digitalfox> Could openttd bypass this limitation ? 18:03:48 <Bjarni> so unless you save during the vehicle loop (how would you do that? ;) ), you will not need to save this as it will always be false 18:04:43 <Digitalfox> Or this limitation is so hard, that would almost impossible in openttd to bypass it..?? :| 18:04:57 <Bjarni> Digitalfox: we plan on increasing the limit to 16 bit (65536). The actual number of vehicles will be lower though since some numbers are reserved for special usage, but 65000 should be enough ;) 18:05:34 <Bjarni> it will take a while to code though... specially since nobody is actively working on it right now 18:06:30 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.140.44.235] has joined #openttd 18:06:42 <Digitalfox> Would this take mutch work, or some work is already done? Does the branch 32bpp has some of this work ready done ?? :) 18:07:12 <Bjarni> 32 bpp is for graphics only and has nothing to do with this 18:07:54 <Bjarni> and yes, some places already reads engineIDs as 16 bits, but since it's not every single place, we are not ready to use more engines 18:08:12 <DaleStan_> .nick -r DaleStan 18:08:38 <DaleStan_> I suppose that works better if I use a slash, not a dot. 18:08:40 * Brianetta hands DaleStan_ a / 18:08:49 <Bjarni> think of it like you got a road system where vehicles are allowed to be 3 meters tall and you build all bridges based on that. When you decide to make the limit 4 meters, you have to rebuild all bridges to avoid problems 18:08:57 <Brianetta> Are there any smilies in the source? 18:09:09 *** ttj [~tjorri@kosh.hut.fi] has quit [Server closed connection] 18:09:12 <Bjarni> maybe in the comments 18:09:20 *** ttj [~tjorri@kosh.hut.fi] has joined #openttd 18:09:28 <Bjarni> actually I think I saw some smilies in the comments 18:09:36 <Sacro> Bjarni: or lower the road... 18:09:41 <Brianetta> When I restore my backup, I might grep them 18:10:13 <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: that kind of work was done to railway tracks in tunnels, when they got electrified 18:10:14 <Bjarni> Sacro: yeah, but still you have to do some work on each one, so the point remain 18:10:49 <Sacro> Bjarni: yeah, removing points kinda limits the number of trains per line 18:11:16 <Bjarni> ? 18:11:26 <Sacro> ignore me, im mad 18:11:32 <Digitalfox> so even with 32bpp branch the limit is still there?? :| 18:11:38 <Bjarni> we noticed... long ago 18:11:40 <Sacro> Digitalfox: yeah 18:11:59 <Digitalfox> Is there a release version for this like 0.6 or 07? 18:12:06 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.140.44.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:12:06 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 18:12:09 <Bjarni> when it's ready 18:12:15 <Bjarni> that's all I can say 18:12:25 <Eddi|zuHause> a propos release, didn 18:12:29 * DaleStan thanks Brianetta for the / 18:12:38 <Bjarni> most previous plans so far didn't turn out as expected so I stopped setting deadlines 18:12:40 <Eddi|zuHause> 't you want to make RC1 two weaks ago? 18:13:24 * Bjarni points at Darkvater 18:13:27 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 18:13:50 <Bjarni> Darkvater, not Belugas. Nobody blames you :P 18:14:34 <Belugas_Gone> ;) 18:14:38 <Belugas_Gone> see you 18:14:41 *** Szandor [~2@host86-136-2-197.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 18:14:52 <Bjarni> bbl 18:14:53 <Belugas_Gone> anyway, i don't do a thing, so i cannot break anything ;) 18:15:26 <Eddi|zuHause> sometimes things break by not doing anything with them 18:18:16 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:19:12 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 18:19:20 <Darkvater> ey this is insane: I have to put the laptop within 50cm's of the router then I can get a connection, otherwise not 18:19:21 *** Zahl22 [~SENFGURKE@p549F274C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:19:24 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@p549F274C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Zahl22))] 18:19:24 *** Zahl22 is now known as Zahl 18:19:32 <Darkvater> once I have the connection I can move anywhere in the house and it just works 18:23:19 <ln-> sounds like you have bought D-Link products? 18:24:52 <Darkvater> Linksys and Sitecom, but even the built-in Intel card doesn't wanna do it 18:24:55 * Darkvater suspects windows 18:27:09 <SpComb> hmm 18:35:10 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:35:44 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 18:35:48 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 18:41:07 <Bjarni> Darkvater: and when you "drag" the signal with you, the signal strength is ok? 18:41:40 <Darkvater> yeah, 48Mbps now 18:41:50 <Darkvater> dammit, desync you biatch! 18:41:59 <Bjarni> odd 18:42:15 <Bjarni> so the questions is: will ubuntu do the same? :) 18:44:37 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-141-227-74.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 18:44:43 *** pecisk [~pecisk@purvc-44-54.maksinets.lv] has joined #openttd 18:45:15 <Darkvater> ok the desync test failed :( 18:45:28 <Darkvater> I cannot regain control of the dedicated server... 18:45:34 <Darkvater> and the game won't desync 18:45:40 * Darkvater hates this 18:45:41 <CIA-1> miham * r7491 /trunk/lang/ (russian.txt unfinished/esperanto.txt): 18:45:41 <CIA-1> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-12-13 19:43:22 18:45:41 <CIA-1> esperanto - 238 fixed, 6 changed by LaPingvino (244) 18:45:41 <CIA-1> russian - 252 changed by Smoky555 (252) 18:46:12 <Eddi|zuHause> so... 0.5 does not come out because it does not desync? great :p 18:46:36 <Darkvater> hehe 18:46:37 <Bjarni> something like that 18:46:44 <Darkvater> peter1138: you having any more luck? 18:46:59 <Darkvater> peter1138: I think my server needs actual players to desync.. 18:47:07 <blathijs> wtf.. 18:47:14 <blathijs> From the 2.6.19.1 changelog 18:47:17 <blathijs> [PATCH] NETFILTER: bridge netfilter: deal with martians correctly 18:47:22 <Bjarni> we should post that on the forum "sorry guys, we postponed the release of 0.5.0 because we can't get the multiplayer games to desync" 18:47:23 <blathijs> Martians? 18:47:31 <Darkvater> ? 18:47:49 <Bjarni> we got a link to Mars? 18:48:07 <CIA-1> miham * r7492 /trunk/lang/ (esperanto.txt unfinished/esperanto.txt): [Translations] Moved esperanto from unfinished, as it is nearly complete 18:48:09 <blathijs> Apparently they connected the internet to mars some time ago, yes ;-) 18:48:20 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host212-235-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:48:31 <Eddi|zuHause> my "dmesg" spits out a lot of: 18:48:33 <Eddi|zuHause> martian source 192.168.10.255 from 192.168.10.2, on dev eth1 18:48:33 <Eddi|zuHause> ll header: ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:0a:48:04:1d:cf:08:00 18:48:54 <peter1138> Darkvater, generally, yes 18:48:56 <Eddi|zuHause> which i do not understand 18:49:01 <Bjarni> I think you need to increase the tolerance for lag when you connect to Mars though 18:49:05 <Darkvater> how can I forcibly force the reattachment of a console? 18:49:22 <Darkvater> peter1138: or active autoreplace ;p 18:49:52 <peter1138> hmm? 18:51:02 <Wolf01> today's greeting: 65:76:65:6e:69:6e:67 18:53:41 *** Digitalfox [~digitalfo@bl7-187-76.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [] 19:06:53 <blathijs> Eddi|zuHause: It seems martian sources are unroutable sources, or something 19:07:34 *** lolman [Tomsmate@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:10:30 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc4-norw5-0-0-cust184.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 19:15:08 *** Szandor [~2@host86-136-2-197.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:16:15 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@zernebok.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:17:27 <CIA-1> rubidium * r7493 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ (68 files in 6 dirs): [MakefileRewrite] -Sync: with trunk r7426:7492. 19:19:08 *** GoneWack1 [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 19:19:15 <Brianetta> GAH 19:19:21 <Brianetta> I left my crypto keys at work ): 19:19:21 *** [1]imaginner [~imaginner@aclq52.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 19:19:29 <Brianetta> feck 19:19:44 <Brianetta> Well, the building was locked 20 minutes ago 19:19:49 <Brianetta> so I can't go back for them tonight 19:20:14 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@zernebok.com] has joined #openttd 19:22:55 <Bjarni> wtf are crypto keys? 19:23:17 <Bjarni> the keys for the crypt under your house? 19:23:17 <peter1138> keys for cryptography 19:23:51 *** imaginner [~imaginner@acls7.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:23:51 *** [1]imaginner is now known as imaginner 19:24:28 <peter1138> Brianetta, why don't you log in remotely and... oh... hee 19:24:56 <Darkvater> teleport the crypto keys back home? 19:25:50 <Brianetta> They're on a removable medium 19:25:55 <Brianetta> on my desk 19:25:59 <Brianetta> I know exactly where, too 19:26:07 <Brianetta> Normally, it's on my neck 19:26:08 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:26:08 *** GoneWack1 is now known as GoneWacko 19:26:28 <Sacro> so now he cant ssh into his fridge 19:26:35 <Brianetta> I can ssh 19:26:39 <Brianetta> well, for home purposes 19:26:45 <Brianetta> I have a key here 19:26:51 <Brianetta> I don't have my gpg keys 19:26:57 <Brianetta> or the key to ssh in to work 19:27:23 <Brianetta> I can encrypt and verify 19:27:31 <Brianetta> but not sign or descrypt 19:27:55 <Sacro> :( 19:28:55 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B84A15.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: icebears... take care of them!] 19:32:19 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B84A15.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:32:22 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 19:32:51 <Brianetta> http://www.astromedia.de/ 19:32:52 <Brianetta> cool 19:34:02 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:34:46 <peter1138> right 19:34:48 <peter1138> time for server 19:36:23 * Maedhros stabs subversion 19:36:56 <Maedhros> "This client is too old to work with working copy '.'" 19:38:16 <peter1138> heh 19:38:25 <peter1138> r7492 :D 19:38:34 <peter1138> i removed sac's trees 19:45:19 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 19:45:35 <Brianetta> Maedhros: Upgrade to subversion 1.4 19:45:57 <Brianetta> because you've run it on that checkout before, and it was upgraded. (: 19:47:51 <Maedhros> Brianetta: i know... but it's more hassle than it's worth since that laptop doesn't actually have a network connection yet... :-/ 19:48:10 <Wolf01> who have time for me? maybe who changed the behaviour of the checklist of the option menu? 19:48:13 <Brianetta> Maedhros: I upgraded one of my machines from FC5 to FC6 19:48:22 <Brianetta> When I upgraded, they both had the same subversion 19:48:26 <Brianetta> not FC6 updated 19:48:36 <Brianetta> and I have had to compile from scratch for all the others )-: 19:48:58 <Maedhros> so do i, but i'm using Gentoo so that's hardly anything new ;) 19:49:38 <Brianetta> At least, if I had still been using Gentoo, the same emerge command would have brought them all up to date 19:49:46 <Brianetta> but FC5 doesn't have a subversion update. 19:50:08 * Brianetta restores his deleted SVN checkouts 19:50:25 <Brianetta> I feel all smug when I come to need my backups (: 19:50:51 <Maedhros> hehe 19:53:08 <peter1138> Wolf01, tron, i believe 19:53:13 <peter1138> Wolf01, it's simpler now 19:53:19 <Brianetta> Dr Kevin De Cock, director of the HIV/Aids department of the World Health Organization told the BBC... 19:53:22 <Brianetta> What a name 19:53:23 <Brianetta> hehehe 19:53:38 <Sacro> roffle... 19:53:44 <Brianetta> in a news story about circumcision helping cut the risk of AIDS 19:53:47 <Maedhros> heh, poor bastard 19:53:51 <Wolf01> yes i noticed... so it should be my patch that doesn't work 19:54:34 <Brianetta> "Cutting bits of your willy off helps reduce the riskof AIDS" is like saying "Cutting bits of your mouth off helps reduce the risk of obesity" 19:54:37 <Brianetta> Well duh 19:55:21 <Sacro> being a eunach stops unwanted pregnancies... 19:55:31 <Brianetta> None of these are worth it. 19:55:45 <Brianetta> If you don't want AIDS, don't shag about 19:56:53 <imaginner> has anyone ever tried to port OTTD to another programming languages? (I'm thiniking... Java?) 19:58:12 <peter1138> doubt it 19:58:51 <peter1138> c++ wouldn't surprise me 19:59:03 <blathijs> imaginner: Any big overhaul tries so far (not even to a new language) have ended in developers crying over newly discovered pieces of extremely unreadable and ugly code 19:59:06 <blathijs> ;-p 20:00:32 <Sacro> In a G2 feature, How to . . . improve your swimming, page 27, August 31, our advice struck a chilling note when it recommended finding a pool "heated" to 28F. That is below freezing point. We meant 28 Celsius (82F). 20:00:52 <peter1138> "brisk" 20:01:18 * peter1138 plays by himself 20:01:22 <Sacro> peter1138: indeed 20:01:27 <Sacro> peter1138: new server? 20:01:36 <peter1138> yeah 20:01:41 <Sacro> and then OpenTTD/Pr0n 20:01:42 <Sacro> ? 20:03:26 <peter1138> hmm, what? 20:03:51 <Wolf01> sacro, remember me what i'm 20:03:58 <Sacro> Wolf01: ? 20:04:10 <Wolf01> i remember only italian 20:04:22 <Sacro> oh right 20:04:24 <Wolf01> but i think that i'm more the other thing 20:04:31 <Sacro> stupid? 20:04:34 <Wolf01> yeah 20:05:43 <Wolf01> if i declare a byte variable and then i use a uint16 all things don't work 20:07:19 <Wolf01> ok, now i must find only why checkmarks aren't shown 20:07:29 <Sacro> hehe 20:10:40 *** Szandor [~2@host86-136-2-197.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 20:14:19 * Brianetta realises his backup was two days old 20:14:26 <Brianetta> Something happened... 20:14:30 *** Szandor [~2@host86-136-2-197.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:14:30 <Brianetta> ah 20:14:36 * Brianetta corrects 20:15:42 <Brianetta> start manually... 20:15:45 <Brianetta> 4190.1 kbits/sec 20:15:47 <Brianetta> wow 20:15:51 <Brianetta> that's from London 20:16:01 <Brianetta> 4213.4 20:16:05 <peter1138> :) 20:16:19 <Brianetta> That's the network card's reported rate 20:16:22 <peter1138> yay i'm not alone any more 20:16:31 <Brianetta> being rsync based, it's apparent speed is much higher 20:17:01 <Brianetta> Good to know, that when I pay for 4 megs a second, I do actually get it 20:21:09 <Wolf01> ...maybe using everywhere uint16 where i have more than 8 bits resolves... 20:22:08 <peter1138> who'd've thought it? 20:27:25 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2RB6Vegas 20:30:34 <Wolf01> trooooon?!?!?!? 20:32:08 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-187-047.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 20:32:43 <PandaMojo> uhg. I'm half tempted to find my windows keys 20:38:01 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-141-243.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:38:17 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 20:44:34 * Brianetta hacks in to the network at his workplace 20:44:44 <Brianetta> I bet they never thought I could use this to do *this*... 20:46:03 <jotham_> heh i do that too 20:46:20 *** LadyHawk- [here@82-47-23-153.cable.ubr02.dudl.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:46:21 *** LadyHawk [here@82-47-23-153.cable.ubr02.dudl.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:46:22 *** LadyHawk- is now known as LadyHawk 20:46:59 <Brianetta> Now, once I'm into the machine on my desk... I can tunnel back to here with ssh 20:47:02 <Brianetta> and do what I want 20:47:23 <Brianetta> excet my damned machine's powered down 20:47:30 <Brianetta> I wonder if I can WOL it 20:48:09 <LadyHawk> windows keys? o_O 20:48:10 <jotham_> yeah ssh tunneling is excellent 20:48:18 <LadyHawk> (@ old comment by PandaMojo) 20:49:47 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CCC8.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Life is a game of pick-up-sticks, played by fucking lunatics.] 20:50:16 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:57:40 <Brianetta> damnit 20:57:49 <Brianetta> why did *I* have to be responsible for security? 20:57:59 <Brianetta> This thing's tighter than a gnat's chuff 20:58:00 <peter1138> hehe 20:58:12 <Brianetta> feck it 20:58:18 <peter1138> if you weren't your windows machines' passwords would be "password" 20:58:24 <Brianetta> I'll never be able to grab those newgrfs tonight 20:58:37 <peter1138> download again?# 20:58:42 <Brianetta> peter1138: domain password was once "aardvark" 20:58:56 <Brianetta> peter1138: But they are all sorted into directories 20:59:02 <Brianetta> it was so convenient 20:59:05 <peter1138> ah 20:59:07 <Brianetta> blah 20:59:13 <Brianetta> I'll just get them tomorrow 20:59:38 <Brianetta> I wish I hadn't left my crypto keys at work 20:59:46 <Brianetta> This would all be a doddle 20:59:59 <Brianetta> although I have a Windows desktop at work now (: 21:00:02 <Brianetta> It isn't mine 21:00:05 <Brianetta> but it was a start 21:00:42 <Brianetta> There's my boss's private PuTTY key 21:00:51 <Brianetta> Stupid me, I made him password it 21:01:04 <Brianetta> I should really be more lax 21:05:55 <Brianetta> Bah 21:06:11 <Brianetta> the only machine on the network for which there's np record of the MAC is mine 21:06:44 <Brianetta> which means I can't boot it with wake on lan 21:06:54 <Brianetta> and it has the only ssh server that isn't restricted to key-only 21:11:04 <Eddi|zuHause> if you don't plan your backdoors properly, it's your own fault :p 21:11:16 <Brianetta> Yeah, cheers (: 21:12:16 <Eddi|zuHause> at least you can tell your boss that your network is secure ;) 21:12:33 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5772982.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Whoopsy] 21:13:52 <Brianetta> I can also tell him that the backup at work is incomplete 21:14:04 <Brianetta> I can get into the backup, and I though yes, I'll get the key from there 21:14:21 <Brianetta> but it's no more able to read certain home folders than I am 21:15:25 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ac4.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:17:03 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 21:19:42 *** Szandor [~2@host86-136-2-197.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:20:16 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:21:35 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:21:51 <PandaMojo> @ old comment by LadyHawk: For cheating, since my ATI screen manager thingy likes to disable the CTRL+ALT+C combination :-/ 21:22:51 <Darkvater> PandaMojo: WINKEY+CHEAT-COMBO 21:23:20 <PandaMojo> Darkvater: Yes, LadyHawk was asking about my winkey :P 21:23:35 <PandaMojo> Which I was talking about finding once again. 21:24:00 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:25:24 <LadyHawk> ah :p 21:26:08 *** Wolf01_ [~wolf01@host212-235-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 21:26:08 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host212-235-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Wolf01_))] 21:26:15 *** Wolf01_ is now known as Wolf01 21:27:12 *** Szandor [~2@host86-136-2-197.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:29:36 *** Nigel_ is now known as Nigel 21:29:48 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 21:30:41 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:32:57 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC6B56.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:37:12 *** Nigel is now known as Nigel_ 21:40:09 <Darkvater> ok, let's see if we desync now 21:40:31 <peter1138> what d'ya do? 21:40:51 <Darkvater> OMFG 21:41:02 <Darkvater> openttd: ai/trolly/../../station_map.h:151: GetRoadStopDir: Assertion `IsRoadStopTile(t)' failed. 21:41:05 <Darkvater> Aborted 21:41:11 <Darkvater> fucking fucking fuck fuck fuck AI 21:41:27 <peter1138> heh 21:41:30 <Darkvater> apparently my testing does not want to be successfull 21:41:34 <peter1138> that'll stop desyncs :) 21:42:24 <Darkvater> wtf 21:42:28 <Darkvater> Current value for 'ai_in_multiplayer' is: 'off' (min: 0, max: 1) 21:42:47 <Darkvater> how can it assert then? 21:45:17 <blathijs> Darkvater: Dunno, but it doesn't assert in an ai file 21:45:31 <blathijs> Darkvater: Not sure why it shows the filename with ../.. like that, though 21:45:46 <Darkvater> peter1138: question: for newstations, those non-track tiles, do they also count as station tile? Eg catchment, etc. or is it just eyecandY/ 21:46:11 <peter1138> they are station tiles in every way, except trains can't go on them 21:46:17 <blathijs> Might be that it runs some code in ai/trolly that calls an inline function in station_map.h or something... 21:46:40 <Darkvater> blathijs: no, I compiled with DEBUG:=3 21:47:12 <peter1138> yeah, it includes "../../station_map.h" 21:47:13 <jotham_> check that shit out http://wohba.com/pages/cliffhangers1206.html 21:47:14 <jotham_> that's awesome 21:47:23 <blathijs> still, the function will be static then, so compiled into the .o in ai/trolly, explaining the weird file name 21:48:06 <peter1138> blathijs, not with debug := 3... 21:48:28 <peter1138> jotham, second one reminds me of a UT map 21:48:42 <blathijs> peter1138: Yes, it will 21:48:50 <peter1138> hmm, 2nd+ 21:49:12 <blathijs> peter1138: There is no .c file in which the function is defined, so it will be a static function in every .c file that includes it 21:49:22 <blathijs> it might not be inline, but its still static 21:49:23 <peter1138> uh, yes of course 21:49:37 <peter1138> confusing myself 21:49:52 <Darkvater> so it was the AI :) 21:50:10 <blathijs> but, the function that asserts is called exactly one time within ai/trolly, in trolly.c 21:50:31 <blathijs> in AiNew_State_FindStation, which doesn't sound like it should run if ai is turned off... 21:50:45 <Darkvater> o-O desync 21:51:17 <Darkvater> o_O 21:51:36 <Darkvater> immediate desync 21:51:54 <Darkvater> right after I disabled ainew_active 21:51:59 <Darkvater> .. 21:52:51 <Darkvater> now for the moment supreme 21:53:54 <Darkvater> hmm... 21:54:05 <peter1138> hmmmmm 21:54:09 <Darkvater> don't run 'afterloadgame' in a dedicated server...kills the whole thing 21:54:11 <peter1138> send a vehicle to a depot 21:54:18 <peter1138> alter its current order 21:54:24 <peter1138> and it switches to service at depot 21:54:43 <peter1138> (maybe not just current) 21:55:05 <Darkvater> 12911 tfarago 25 0 22364 9984 4884 R 99.2 1.0 2:32.69 openttd 21:55:11 <Darkvater> I think it got stuck ;p 22:00:22 <Sacro> !calc (68E3+120E3)*22E-9 22:00:23 <_42_> Sacro: 4347785; 22:00:33 <Sacro> hmm... 22:00:45 <Sacro> !calc ((68E3+120E3)*22E-9)/1.44 22:00:48 <_42_> Sacro: 3019295.1388888888; 22:00:51 <Sacro> :o 22:01:01 <Sacro> !calc ((68E3+240E3)*22E-9)/1.44 22:01:03 <_42_> Sacro: 4927628.4722222222; 22:01:09 <Sacro> still no better... 22:01:26 <Darkvater> ok, turning off ainew_active is a descyn in 100% of the cases 22:02:01 * Sacro ponders for a while 22:02:07 *** Rens2RB6Vegas is now known as Rens2Sea 22:02:38 <Sacro> :\ ouch, thats out 22:04:08 <Sacro> ah...thats right 22:04:17 <Sacro> !calc 1.44/((68E3+240E3)*22E-9) 22:04:18 <_42_> Sacro: .0000002029; 22:04:20 <Sacro> :o 22:04:53 <Sacro> stupid bot 22:05:17 <Tefad> .00000020293737761220 22:06:19 <Darkvater> wtf..this AI doesn't even play by the rules 22:06:28 <Darkvater> it's off yet it is searching for routes 22:06:41 <Nigel_> heh 22:07:07 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc4-norw5-0-0-cust184.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:08:24 * Darkvater curses at the damn pool macros 22:08:36 <Darkvater> can't even debug or look into GetVehicle 22:08:44 <Darkvater> it just says: DECLARE_OLD_POOL(Vehicle, Vehicle, 9, 125) 22:08:48 <Darkvater> what joy :s 22:09:15 <Wolf01> 'night 22:09:25 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host212-235-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 22:10:11 <Darkvater> afterloadgame works like a charm but seemingly openttd is stuck in some perpetual loop in GetVehicle... 22:11:50 <blathijs> Darkvater: yeah, it should properly unwrap linenumbers there... 22:11:50 <peter1138> good isn't it 22:12:01 * Darkvater is really really mad 22:12:07 <blathijs> Darkvater: what's afterloadgame? 22:12:14 <Darkvater> I hope to god this new pool isn't going to do this 22:12:23 <blathijs> it is 22:12:23 <peter1138> well, debuggers don't have preprocessors... 22:12:35 <Darkvater> I told it to do: 22:12:35 <Darkvater> ConnectMultiheadedTrains(); 22:12:35 <Darkvater> AfterLoadVehicles(); 22:12:36 <peter1138> do a c++ pool ;) 22:12:36 <Darkvater> YapfNotifyTrackLayoutChange(INVALID_TILE, INVALID_TRACK); 22:12:43 <blathijs> peter1138: not but compilers can attach linenumbers to instructions 22:12:45 <Darkvater> something with cache or something must be weird 22:13:03 <Darkvater> if the new pool is like this I don't wanna see it *ever* 22:13:22 <blathijs> peter1138: I discussed that before, but unless we make the whole codebase C++, I still need to make the interface to the pools without templates 22:13:45 <Darkvater> cause I am not going to debug this in assembly 22:13:45 <blathijs> Darkvater: You could have looked at it any time during the last half year or so ;-p 22:13:58 <Darkvater> did I write the pools? 22:14:16 <Darkvater> I suggested C++ templated pools. Even that with C accessors is far better than this 22:14:27 <blathijs> Darkvater: The alternative is to write 15-ish getXXX() functions that all do exactly the same 22:14:42 <Darkvater> obviously one gets most passionate about these things when you actually use it and find out it's unusable 22:15:02 <blathijs> :-) 22:15:21 <peter1138> let's rewrite the whole thing 22:15:38 <blathijs> What's the scope of 'whole' here? :-) 22:15:45 <peter1138> everything 22:15:50 <peter1138> for 0.5 :) 22:16:35 <Sacro> in vis basic :D 22:16:56 <peter1138> now you've gone too far 22:17:18 <Sacro> aww :( 22:18:29 <Darkvater> well anyways it seems after calling those functions v->next_hash points to itself ;p 22:19:32 <peter1138> you probably need to explicitly reset _vehicle_position_hash and v->left_coord etc... 22:19:33 <blathijs> that sounds like a bad idea ;-p 22:19:47 <blathijs> (in response to Darkvater) 22:19:54 *** pecisk [~pecisk@purvc-44-54.maksinets.lv] has quit [Quit: J?iet prom] 22:19:59 <Darkvater> peter1138: yeah I hink I need to do (a part of) initializevheicles 22:20:19 <peter1138> Darkvater, i've got a little patch here that just saves all that, heh 22:20:22 <peter1138> but 22:20:32 <peter1138> damn, x-chat's nick completion fucking sucks 22:21:07 <Sacro> indeed 22:24:44 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.37] has quit [Quit: HMage] 22:24:44 <Darkvater> peter1138: did that help? 22:24:44 <Darkvater> doing this manually....eh doesn't work ;p 22:24:44 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 22:26:26 <peter1138> dunno, i didn't test it 22:26:35 <peter1138> it did work though ;) 22:27:19 <Darkvater> oh joy.. 22:27:33 <Darkvater> truelight only added the check for AI in MP for starting up new AI's 22:29:07 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CE9D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:34:54 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 22:35:29 <Darkvater> peter1138: hmm you didn't test but it worked? wha? 22:35:36 <Darkvater> that's bjarni-speak 22:35:50 <Darkvater> I didn't test, but performance has increased 23% 22:36:01 *** Aracirion [~Aracirion@c-82-192-249-238.customer.ggaweb.ch] has joined #openttd 22:36:12 <Aracirion> hello? 22:36:52 <peter1138> Darkvater, well, running a server and client with the patch worked fine, but i didn't test it to see if desyncs disappeared 22:37:12 <Darkvater> ah 22:37:33 *** Ben_robbins_ [~Ben@82.152.216.53] has joined #openttd 22:38:38 <Darkvater> peter1138: I guess it's 1-0 to me then ^^ 22:38:51 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7494 /trunk/ai/ai.c: 22:38:51 <CIA-1> -Fix: Really disable AI's in Multiplayer if you tell it so. In loaded games with 22:38:51 <CIA-1> AI's the setting didn't take effect, resulting in immediate desyncs. 22:39:50 <peter1138> oh, was there a competition? 22:40:00 <Darkvater> there is now ^^ 22:40:27 <peter1138> what're the requirements? 22:40:43 <Darkvater> you must be able of breeding age 22:40:51 <Darkvater> wtf 22:41:02 <Darkvater> I was writing "you must be male of breeding age" 22:41:18 <peter1138> uh... why? 22:41:31 <Darkvater> hmm does the industrial station set have industrial buffer stops? 22:41:37 <peter1138> no 22:41:42 <Darkvater> donnu ;o 22:42:19 <Darkvater> hmm that grf is pretty buggy 22:42:31 <Darkvater> colours don't show up, amtrack gets disabled 22:42:37 <Darkvater> I think I should get the new version 22:42:53 <peter1138> amtrak's disabled until later in the game 22:43:02 <Darkvater> it's 2006 22:43:06 <peter1138> oh :) 22:43:21 <Darkvater> and even though the first is disabled, it is selected when I first 'open' it 22:43:38 <Darkvater> although unbuildable with an error msg 22:43:42 <peter1138> yeah! 22:43:44 <peter1138> stupid grf 22:43:50 * peter1138 coughs 22:43:56 <Darkvater> and amshack is without colour hilight 22:44:06 *** fusee [fusion@cpe-76-174-15-199.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 22:44:13 <peter1138> that is the grf... putting in black colour codes indeed 22:44:52 <Darkvater> :O torotno union station is built on water :) 22:44:55 <Darkvater> (transparent mode) 22:45:59 <peter1138> it's ugly 22:46:01 <peter1138> and too big 22:46:26 <Darkvater> yeah it is 22:47:23 <peter1138> also 22:47:27 <peter1138> i'm going to bed 22:47:28 <peter1138> night night 22:48:00 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: i have a little issue with the newstations gui 22:48:17 <Eddi|zuHause> if you select a type that requires to be 2x2 22:48:25 <Eddi|zuHause> and you had "drag&drop" selected 22:48:32 <Eddi|zuHause> and now select one of the "2" 22:48:35 <peter1138> -> bugs.openttd.org 22:48:40 <Eddi|zuHause> it does not automatically select the other "2" 22:48:45 *** peter1138 [~peter@217.151.109.196] has quit [Quit: sleep] 22:48:51 <Eddi|zuHause> but the (disabled) "1" 22:48:57 <Eddi|zuHause> fine :p 22:50:21 <Aracirion> Hi there, may I ask something? is there anyone concerned with, interested in, or knowing anything about passenger destinations? 22:50:45 <Sacro> Yes, Yes, Yes 22:50:52 <Aracirion> cool 22:50:58 <Sacro> er... No, Yes, Yes even 22:51:09 <Aracirion> :) 22:51:18 <Aracirion> can you tell me anything about the current state of affairs? 22:51:28 <Sacro> theres the patch in the dev forum 22:51:33 *** fusey [fusion@cpe-76-174-15-199.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:51:33 *** fusee is now known as fusey 22:51:36 <Aracirion> yeah 22:51:39 <Aracirion> by prisssi? 22:51:49 <Sacro> yup 22:52:07 <Aracirion> is that the only thing? cause there's also an entry in the roadmap 0.6 22:52:09 <Eddi|zuHause> for passenger destinations to work properly, it depends on the implementation of cargo packets 22:52:42 <Aracirion> being basically a way of handling cargo code-wise? 22:53:09 <Aracirion> I tries to download that pdf in edonkey but it never started 22:53:28 <Sacro> edonkey pdf? 22:54:23 <Aracirion> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Talk:Cargo_Packets 22:55:30 <Aracirion> I am just asking because I thought it wouldbe a vital feature, but from the wiki I can't see what the planes for implementing it are 22:55:35 <Sacro> wow... that pdf 22:55:44 <Sacro> im sure i actually have that 22:56:21 <Sacro> ill try and find out where it is... think its on an old hdd 22:56:33 <Aracirion> thatd be cool 22:56:52 <Aracirion> that roadmap looks as if there's an implementation planned quite different from prissi's patch 22:57:27 <Sacro> yep 22:59:38 <Aracirion> and if so, if its all worked out that cool :), if it isn't, maybe I could help doing it (although I can't code .. only grafix) but I kept thinking about it for some time when I first saw it ... 23:00:06 <Darkvater> good night :) 23:00:14 <Aracirion> but I don't want to keep writing about it if its irrelevant .... 23:00:17 <Aracirion> good night 23:02:47 <Sacro> should be relavent 23:03:03 *** Szandor [~2@host86-136-2-197.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has left #openttd [] 23:04:15 <Aracirion> is there no place where you can see whats already planned? 23:04:26 <Aracirion> would that be that pdf? 23:06:22 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-140-196-226.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: good night] 23:11:14 <Sacro> errm.. 23:11:19 <Sacro> well i think it needs a restart 23:11:29 <Sacro> theres svn://svn.openttd.org/branches/cargo-packets 23:12:11 <Aracirion> what needs a restart? 23:12:30 <Aracirion> svn? how do I open that? 23:13:27 *** StarLite [~Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:13:44 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-167-179.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:13:51 <Sacro> Aracirion: use svn 23:14:01 *** StarLite [~Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 23:14:15 <Aracirion> what is it? My browser sais it can't open it 23:14:29 <Aracirion> (mac) 23:14:36 <glx> you can't open it with a browser 23:14:50 <glx> you need svn (http://subversion.tigris.org) 23:16:18 <Aracirion> oh thx im dlding it 23:17:21 <helb> GN folks 23:17:28 <Aracirion> gn 23:25:46 <Aracirion> doesnt seem to work 23:25:53 <Aracirion> can;t you send it to me by emeail? 23:26:12 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CE9D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:31:02 <Aracirion> pleeeeaaaaazzzzeee? 23:31:15 <Aracirion> that svn app installed but I can't find out how to use it 23:31:30 <Aracirion> I'd rather use my time making new grafix than installing programs ......... 23:31:50 * Aracirion shrugs 23:35:16 <Eddi|zuHause> short version: you use "svn checkout" to get a copy of the source code, "svn log" to view the changes, and a compiler to get the executable 23:35:35 <Aracirion> I have no compiler 23:36:00 <Eddi|zuHause> then install gcc :) 23:36:02 <Aracirion> well I guess I have one but the last time i looked at a piece of code is more than 5 years ago 23:36:10 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [] 23:36:17 <Aracirion> hey if I want to learn to code I can forget making any grafix for ttd 23:36:36 <Eddi|zuHause> there's a howto on compiling in the wiki 23:37:04 <Aracirion> :'( 23:37:25 <Aracirion> is it so hard to email or send me the file? 23:37:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i am not sure what kind of graphics you'd want to do for cargo packets, as they are purely internal 23:37:55 <Aracirion> I said I can't code, I just wanted to see how its planned to be done and maybe make suggestions 23:38:23 <jotham_> it'd be cool if you had loading areas that stations used that did have graphics that stacked in them 23:38:31 <jotham_> to show visually the amount of resources waiting 23:38:44 <Aracirion> I could render that ... 23:38:48 <jotham_> and of course govern the maximum waiting amounts 23:38:50 <Eddi|zuHause> jotham_: newstations has those 23:38:54 <jotham_> ok 23:38:59 <jotham_> maybe i should install it 23:39:01 <Aracirion> well, atm we want to get a basic 32bit version going without any additional stuff 23:39:03 <jotham_> ok, lunch 23:39:46 <Eddi|zuHause> Aracirion: if you are lucky, you can find compiled versions of some branches on the nightly page 23:40:03 <Aracirion> I just wanted the cargo packets.pdf doc 23:40:27 <Aracirion> svn://svn.openttd.org/branches/cargo-packets 23:46:14 <Aracirion> ok I could open that 23:46:19 <Aracirion> but where's the pdf? 23:46:32 <Aracirion> I suspect that was never meant to be a link to the pdf? .. 23:46:52 <Sacro> no, its the source 23:47:02 <Aracirion> ok 23:47:10 <Aracirion> so i s anybody working on that source atm? 23:47:43 <Aracirion> and are there any concrete plans on how it is going to work? 23:48:20 <Sacro> nope x2 23:50:00 <Aracirion> hm so are we not going to see any psgr destinations anytime soon? 23:50:27 <Aracirion> is the problem that nobody feels like doing it or is the problem that they don't know how to do it? 23:51:10 <Eddi|zuHause> the problem is that there are more pressing things to do 23:51:29 <Aracirion> like? 23:51:32 <Eddi|zuHause> and people regularly develop serious cases of real life 23:51:39 <Aracirion> yeah thats crap 23:54:12 <Aracirion> so should I just loose hope? 23:56:28 *** LadyHawk [here@82-47-23-153.cable.ubr02.dudl.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: The problem with men is that God gives them a brain and a dick, but only enough blood to run one at a time]