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Log for #openttd on 6th February 2007:
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00:22:43  <BFM> Dry ice and rednecks, nuff said. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTP4yp8y_NA
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00:24:48  <Sacro> BFM: last one nearly lost his arm
00:25:48  <BFM> Yah, proves they were rednecks Sacro, lucky idiots
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00:26:08  <|2rB>  thore
00:26:08  <Sacro> yup
00:26:26  <|2rB> hmm.. were writing on another server :p
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00:26:43  <|2rB> then joined here - and it got the active window :p
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00:52:01  <Sacro> damn, he found us
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01:07:04  <Eddi|zuHause2> oftc does not seem to be overly stable today
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01:59:08  <Digitalfox> I was just looking to the new ECS implementation by George: ECS vectors and it looks great..
01:59:22  <Digitalfox> New verions http://george.zernebok.net/newgrf/downloads.html
01:59:25  <Digitalfox> versions
01:59:28  <Sacro> dont start that arguement
02:00:21  <Digitalfox> Sacro: Don't know if that was for me, but i like having new cargos, that's just it nothing more :)
02:00:32  <Sacro> Digitalfox: anyway, openttd doesnt support it
02:01:12  <Sacro> anywhoo, sleep time
02:01:14  <Sacro> night
02:01:29  <Digitalfox> I know that newhouses is almost finished and then newindustries may became available in openttd, so i'm not taking any discussion ;)
02:01:51  <Digitalfox> I wa only saying that they look great ;)
02:01:53  <Digitalfox> was
02:02:07  <Digitalfox> night sacro
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05:18:56  <Smoky555> morning all :)
05:20:56  <Smoky555> does anybody knows, whats wrong with SVN ? i try checkout svn.openttd.org/trunk, but Tortoise says that "Unrecognized URL scheme ..."
05:21:49  <Smoky555> sorry, it's work fine :)
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08:18:31  <mikk36> any news about final vers ?
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08:22:10  <Smoovious> final? like... years from now when nobody wants to dev it anymore?
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08:25:59  <peter1138> Smoovious: about 5 minutes then?
08:32:39  <Smoovious> :P
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08:33:09  <Smoovious> he probably meant the stable
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08:55:44  <mikk36> 0.5.0 final, Smoovious
08:56:17  <mikk36> the release version
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08:56:19  <mikk36> not rc
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08:58:48  <Smoovious> yeah... the stable
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09:25:54  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r8608 /trunk/src/road_cmd.cpp: -Fix: you were unable to build roads in the scenario editor when there is no town 0, even though there are other towns.
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09:29:58  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r8609 /trunk/src/roadveh_cmd.cpp: -Fix: a road vehicle that is very close after another (slower) road vehicle gets its speed reset to 0 when entering a tunnel, which causes a traffic jam outside of the tunnel.
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10:00:31  <Eddi|zuHause2> df
10:00:40  <peter1138> none
10:00:41  <Eddi|zuHause2> wrong window
10:00:43  <peter1138> you've used it all
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11:11:26  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: bjarni * r8610 /trunk/src/ (12 files): (log message trimmed)
11:11:26  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange/Feature: rewrote the list handling in the autoreplace window
11:11:26  <CIA-1> OpenTTD:  -The user will notice the following changes:
11:11:26  <CIA-1> OpenTTD:  All vehicle types behaves in the same way
11:11:26  <CIA-1> OpenTTD:  Adding/removing an engine (new design and so on) can no longer result in the window selecting a new engine
11:11:28  <CIA-1> OpenTTD:  All valid replacements will be displayed since it looks at refitting options as well (this solves the missing ships with the newships GRF)
11:11:30  <CIA-1> OpenTTD:  Since you can't replace an engine into itself, the engine selected in the left list will no longer appear in the right list
11:14:41  <roboboy> gnight
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13:55:41  <Brianetta> ????1138
13:56:01  <peter1138> ????1138 Erroneous Nickname
13:56:03  <peter1138> :(
13:58:11  <Eddi|zuHause2> how do you pronounce this?
13:58:27  <glx> piotr
13:58:41  <Eddi|zuHause2> i'd have guessed pjotr
13:59:07  <glx> yeah it's the same :)
14:01:19  <Eddi|zuHause2> something's odd with my font... the cyrillic letters appear more bold than the rest
14:02:29  <Maedhros> something's definitely wrong with mine - i see a a D with a horizontal line followed by three Ns with tildes...
14:03:25  <glx> it's a problem winth your client
14:04:16  <Maedhros> meh, or ssh, which doesn't seem to handle the thread markers in mutt properly either
14:05:08  <Noldo> terminal issue, not ssh
14:06:05  <peter1138> indeed
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14:06:36  <Brianetta> ssh is cute
14:07:07  <peter1138> cute?
14:07:15  <Maedhros> hmm, urxvt is the terminal i'm using at the moment, and it works fine with utf8. it's also installed on the box with mutt on it
14:18:46  <Eddi|zuHause2> *mental note* unpausing IRC with F1 is not a great idea
14:19:04  <Maedhros> hehe
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14:55:43  <Brianetta> Would it be possible for OpenTTD servers to ban an IP with a mask?
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15:04:59  <Rubidium> Brianetta: currently not
15:05:42  <Brianetta> Rubidium: I might work on a patch, since I can't see it being desyncable
15:06:20  <Rubidium> neither can I :)
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15:38:28  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: celestar * r8611 /trunk/src/aircraft_cmd.cpp: -Fix: Moved the aircraft speed limiting into UpdateAircraftSpeed and enummed some speed limits. This should give a more steady display in the status bar during taxiing
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15:50:23  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: maedhros * r8612 /trunk/src/graph_gui.cpp:
15:50:23  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix (r117) [FS#582]: When the currently selected player in the performance
15:50:23  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: details window is no longer active, choose the first active player instead of
15:50:23  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: the first player as that may also be inactive.
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16:11:02  <nairan> hmm strange
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16:11:50  <nairan> mirc loosing connection to ir.oft.et quite often and on reconnect it cant resolve the name anymore or connect to the ip
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16:14:42  <peter1138> ir.oft.et, eh?
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16:16:08  <Eddi|zuHause2> if you try to resolve that, it's understandable that it does not work :p
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16:25:50  <nairan> *irc.oft.net
16:26:16  <nairan> its like dns has some hicups soetimes
16:27:25  <scia> I'm timing out much the last two days or so too
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18:05:53  <Wolf01> hi
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18:08:32  <Wolf01> seem that oftc.net has some problems today
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18:24:09  <etko> hello
18:24:15  <etko> anybody here?
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18:25:03  <etko> what's the status of newgrf project
18:25:05  <etko> ?
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18:25:27  <peter1138> which newgrf project?
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18:26:03  <etko> i mean that higres graphic
18:26:09  <Wolf01> 32bpp
18:26:15  <etko> by Alltaken
18:26:24  <etko> I think he was starting it
18:27:06  <etko> : Wolf01 yes that one
18:27:12  <etko> is it actual still?
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18:27:58  <etko> i mean whether are people working on it?
18:28:00  <Wolf01> there is a russian guy which is making some mockups with unfinished sprites
18:28:15  <etko> and the building etc?
18:29:11  <Wolf01> what do you mean with "building"?
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18:29:31  <etko> by sprites i understood vehicles
18:29:44  <Wolf01> all are sprites
18:30:16  <etko> yes
18:30:39  <etko> anyway where can i get everything what has been done or who is in chargeof that project?
18:31:01  <|Jeroen|> isn't there a status on the wiki ?
18:31:03  <Wolf01> look in the forum
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19:00:22  <SpComb> nothing going on in #oftc either
19:00:39  <SpComb> except a slow trickle of people joining
19:00:41  <Sacro> mmm
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19:16:44  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: KUDr * r8613 /trunk/src/stdafx.h: -Fix [MorphOS]: offsetof() macro undefined for MorphOS build
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19:18:20  <Wolf01> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=1790927 what a mockup of pieces XD
19:31:26  <Tron> <@KUDr> it is alway simpler if you split complex thing to layers
19:31:51  <Tron> "There's no problem that could not be solved with another layer of indirection - except for the problem of too many layers of indirection"
19:32:00  <Noldo> ugh!
19:32:11  <Bjarni> Wolf01: well, that locomotive design is like it is because the engines were too big for the bogies. The whole "noses" are actually the bogies, so they do turn to follow the tracks
19:32:32  <Bjarni> however I think they turn in the middle of the locomotive, so it's two frames, not 3
19:32:33  <Wolf01> no, i mean shields, windows and arcs
19:34:08  <Bjarni> maybe I wouldn't have picked those blocks, but they aren't completely off
19:34:34  <Bjarni> it's an interesting model
19:34:42  <Wolf01> yeah
19:34:46  <Bjarni> looks like it really works and can drive on it's own
19:34:50  <Bjarni> and pull cars
19:36:20  <Bjarni> the again, maybe not
19:36:33  <Wolf01> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=511672 this looks better :)
19:36:36  <Bjarni> the rods on the wheels appears not to move
19:43:55  <Bjarni> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=511678 <-- now that's just plain wrong
19:44:16  <Bjarni> the cab were too small to contain a chair. The driver had to stand up when driving
19:44:37  <Bjarni> he did have something somewhat like a shelf to "sit on"/lean against, but that's it
19:45:00  <Bjarni> the transformers and stuff took all the space
19:45:05  <Bjarni> no comfort at all
19:45:17  <Wolf01> and normal trains don't open on top :P
19:45:29  <Bjarni> they do
19:45:33  <Bjarni> in the repair shops
19:45:45  <Bjarni> haven't you wondered how they replace the diesel engines or transformers?
19:46:00  <Wolf01> eh but not the cab to extract the driver :D
19:46:01  <Bjarni> it just takes somewhat longer than it will with a lego train
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19:47:02  <Bjarni> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=511689 <-- where are the transformers and compressors and stuff?
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19:51:09  <Wolf01> but if you look closer you can find the chairs :D
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20:12:34  <peter1138> hmm
20:12:36  <peter1138> what am i doing?
20:13:13  <hylje> you're doing it wrong
20:13:17  <Belugas> typing?
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20:18:23  <KUDr> [20:31:50] <Tron> "There's no problem that could not be solved with another layer of indirection - except for the problem of too many layers of indirection" << indirection? You should not drink so much..
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20:18:38  <bubersson> heh... I found out that I have original TTD CD, which is maybe fake... there are only two climate types and the second one is really wierd!
20:22:01  <bubersson> Has microprose released any version between TT and TTD? With only two climate types and the second one looks like a hell?
20:22:30  <hylje> :o
20:22:34  <hylje> screenshots please
20:22:55  <bubersson> w8
20:23:25  <Tefad> mars atmosphere
20:23:40  <Tefad> not hell, sorry
20:24:30  <bubersson> yes... maybe it looks like mars
20:25:27  <bubersson> :( have to install it through dosbox
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20:37:12  <bubersson> http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/362/helljt6.png
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20:50:03  <Bjarni> that's the mars landscape
20:50:10  <Bjarni> extention to TT
20:50:20  <Bjarni> but not TTD
20:50:35  <Bjarni> you will notice that it lacks one way signals and stuff
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20:52:32  <bubersson> yes, but on booklet of this CD is "TRANSPORT TYCOON DELUXE"... its maybe fake, cuz it cost like 1$
20:52:46  <Bjarni> heh
20:52:49  <Bjarni> that's fake
20:53:03  <Bjarni> it was an outdated version when TTD came out
20:53:22  <bubersson> nice rarity
20:53:47  <Bjarni> also I didn't know of a TTO CD with the mars expansion preinstalled
20:53:54  <Bjarni> it's an addon floppy disk
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20:54:30  <Bjarni> looks like somebody put great effort into making this fake
20:54:44  <Bjarni> or at least some effort
20:55:19  <bubersson> :D lol... and on the back-side of booklet is sthng like "four climate types available" but theres only screenshots from the mars one...
20:56:20  <Bjarni> it would have been easier just to copy the TTD CD
20:56:41  <Bjarni> and with less risk of getting caught
20:56:54  <Bjarni> I mean now we notice that somebody faked it
20:57:08  <bubersson> so what was the reason for doing that?? looks like it was released before TTD
20:57:12  <Bjarni> if it were just a pirated copy, then you wouldn't have noticed
20:57:26  * Maedhros has TTO + World Editor (including Mars) on a CD
20:57:26  <Bjarni> it was released before TTD
20:57:28  <Eddi|zuHause2> oh... the good old times...
20:57:38  <Maedhros> i don't know where it is, admittedly ;)
20:57:55  <Bjarni> *	Maedhros has TTO + World Editor (including Mars) on a CD <-- ok, so they did make a CD
20:57:57  <Bjarni> or
20:58:05  <Bjarni> is that another pirated copy? :)
20:58:16  <Maedhros> no, it's real :p
20:58:41  <bubersson> :D so imho someone just edited booklet of TTO and sold it as TTD
20:58:41  <Eddi|zuHause2> i had TTO on a cd (which was basically 2 install disks), and world editor on an install disk
20:59:01  <bubersson> yes, its with world editor
20:59:45  <Eddi|zuHause2> but i lost these disks a long time ago
21:00:05  <Eddi|zuHause2> and my safety copies were defect
21:00:26  <bubersson> I had it just under Colonization CD
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21:00:40  <bubersson> think its also fake...
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21:05:49  <bubersson> our multiplayer notepad seems to kicking everybody... we lost...
21:06:00  <Wolf01> if you want to look at it: http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/G%20-%20DragDrop_RemoveStationTiles_8536_bugged.diff
21:06:00  <Bjarni> the issue is that when DC_EXEC (which is actually 1) is not set in the flags, then you return CMD_ERROR and because of that, it will never set DC_EXEC in the flags
21:06:02  <Wolf01> doh, my seeecrets
21:06:04  <Wolf01> XD
21:06:14  <Bjarni> I knew that would happen :D
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21:06:21  <Bjarni> I was once in a computer store looking at games and a guy walked up to me and offered every single game for 1/3 of the price.... now that was interesting. And not particular legal :P
21:07:21  <Bjarni> +// START DRAG CODE <-- OTTD coding standard requests usage of /**/ instead of // when it's a comment only line
21:07:30  <Bjarni> but that's not why it's failing :)
21:07:39  <Wolf01> yes it is only a beta version
21:09:23  <Bjarni> and a little more comments would be nice
21:09:37  <bubersson> I'm happy about this CD, cause now I can say: "heh, I've fake TTD with Mars climate, which actually looks like hell"
21:09:49  <Bjarni> specially if I'm going to figure out why it does something else than what you expect :)
21:11:07  <Bjarni> Wolf01: when you run this command, will it reach the last return statement?
21:11:08  <Wolf01> i think the problem is in rail_gui.cpp, 'cause all seem to work in station_cmd.cpp
21:11:28  <Bjarni> and what is it returning?
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21:15:20  <Bjarni> what is wrong with oftc today?
21:15:33  <Wolf01> all
21:15:40  <hylje> the internets
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21:19:51  <Wolf01> Bjarni, now it returns cost=0
21:20:09  <Bjarni> but flags are always 0?
21:20:13  <Wolf01> yes
21:20:17  <Bjarni> ...
21:20:21  <Bjarni> odd
21:20:30  <Bjarni> but 0 is wrong as well
21:20:35  <Bjarni> it's the price
21:20:40  <Bjarni> 0 means it's free
21:20:54  <Wolf01> some times when i have drag&drop frenzy it removes a station tile
21:22:03  <Bjarni> +	if (quantity == 0) return CMD_ERROR;
21:22:04  <Bjarni> +	return _price.remove_rail_station*quantity;
21:22:16  <Bjarni> returning 0 would mean that _price.remove_rail_station is 0
21:22:33  <Bjarni> or that the function returns 0 before reaching this part
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21:23:13  <Wolf01> it mean that the function didn't removed a station
21:23:41  <Wolf01> because is not _price.remove_rail_station = 0, but is quantity=0
21:24:02  <Bjarni> 0 means that the action is valid and that it's free
21:24:20  <Bjarni> if (quantity == 0) return CMD_ERROR; <-- if quantity is 0, then you return CMD_ERROR
21:24:29  <Wolf01> i get the error
21:24:48  <Bjarni> then you aren't returning 0, but CMD_ERROR
21:24:52  <Bjarni> there is a big difference
21:25:29  <Bjarni> then the problem is quantity. Somehow you fail to count the tiles
21:26:09  <Wolf01> eh, quantity++ is into the if (flags & DC_EXEC), but if flags is always 0
21:26:31  <Bjarni> quantity++; <-- that's the only place where you set it to something (besides setting it to 0) and you do that inside "if (flags & DC_EXEC)"
21:26:59  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: miham * r8614 /trunk/src/lang/ (traditional_chinese.txt unfinished/traditional_chinese.txt): [Translations] -Prepare: prepare committing traditional chinese
21:27:01  <Bjarni> that if will always be false at first, then quantity will be zero when the test is over and the action will fail
21:27:11  <Wolf01> the problem is not the quantity or the return, but flags which is always 0
21:27:16  <Bjarni> so you count the tiles at the wrong place
21:27:23  <Bjarni> no
21:27:26  <Bjarni> the flags works
21:27:57  <Wolf01> printf(" - F: %d; dc_e: %d - from(%d,%d):to(%d,%d)",flags,DC_EXEC,sx,sy,ex,ey); this tell me that flags is always 0
21:28:22  <Bjarni> first flags will be 0, then it tests if the action is valid. If it returns something else than CMD_ERROR, then it can execute the command and it will be executed by setting flags to 1
21:29:04  <Bjarni> Wolf01: read this and learn
21:30:26  <Bjarni> first flags will be 0. The command will then test if the command is valid and the price. If it's valid, the command will be send to the server. The server verified it as well and then sends it to all clients with info on when to execute it so it will be executed at the same time on all clients. Only when it's actually executed will flags be set to 1
21:30:44  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: miham * r8615 /trunk/projects/ (langs.vcproj langs_vs80.vcproj): [Translations] -Prepare: added traditional chinese to project files as well
21:31:12  <Bjarni> you fail to make a proper validation.
21:32:00  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: miham * r8616 /trunk/src/lang/ (11 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
21:32:00  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-02-06 22:31:04
21:32:00  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: american - 6 fixed by WhiteRabbit (6)
21:32:00  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 11 changed by fukumori (11)
21:32:02  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: croatian - 29 fixed, 1 changed by tperic (30)
21:32:02  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: danish - 2 fixed by MiR (2)
21:32:04  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 4 fixed by habell (4)
21:32:05  <Bjarni> you should actually loop though the tiles, add the count if it's valid, and then if (flags & DC_EXEC) remove tile
21:32:09  <Bjarni> err
21:32:13  <Bjarni> remove station on tile
21:32:39  <Bjarni> but you should not count inside that if. You should only do the actual action, which will be removing the station tile
21:32:51  <MiHaMiX> OpenTTD: traditional_chinese - 2806 fixed by sam0737 (93), cylau0 (412), xbddc (109), thomasau (440), tiberiusteng (1752)
21:32:52  <Bjarni> got it?
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21:34:42  <Bjarni> Wolf01: still here?
21:34:47  <Wolf01> yes
21:34:54  <Bjarni> do you understand the problem?
21:35:20  <Bjarni> when flags are 0, it should figure out if the command is valid and the price for it
21:35:24  <Wolf01> yes, but i have some difficulties to figure out the solution
21:35:28  <Bjarni> but it should only be done when flags are 1
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21:40:41  <Wolf01> yeah, it works, Igor! it's ALIVE!!
21:41:49  <Maedhros> night *
21:43:17  <Wolf01> night Maedhros
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21:50:04  <peter1138> nini
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21:50:56  <Wolf01> night peter
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23:17:21  <Wolf01> night all
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