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00:12:00 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 00:21:01 *** Neonox [~Neonox@p57B2B301.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 00:21:18 *** Neonox [~Neonox@p57B2B301.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 00:22:16 <Sacro> lolman: PING 00:23:24 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-40-128.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Quit: Hapiness ;D] 00:30:26 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D515.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:50:18 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 00:57:08 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 00:57:09 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 00:58:48 *** Nigel_ [~nigel@202-154-147-139.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 01:00:21 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176116157.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 01:00:37 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-147-139.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:03:10 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176100049.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:03:36 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176116157.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 01:05:47 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-140-204-186.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:29:45 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:40:50 *** madkeyzb [~zackboarm@host-216-76-164-79.owb.bellsouth.net] has joined #openttd 01:41:53 <madkeyzb> How come that there's not a suggestion page on the wikis? 01:47:39 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 01:49:45 <Eddi|zuHause3> because nobody would check it 01:52:51 <madkeyzb> why would no one check it? 01:59:32 <Eddi|zuHause3> because the developers cannot look everywhere... 02:00:16 <Eddi|zuHause3> if you have a feature request, you're probably better off at bugs.openttd.org, or anything else might be more suited to the forums 02:00:45 <Eddi|zuHause3> wiki is for documentation, not for discussion 02:01:36 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57a0f460.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 02:03:01 *** madkeyzb [~zackboarm@host-216-76-164-79.owb.bellsouth.net] has left #openttd [] 02:13:16 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.62] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:15:33 *** Morphy [~morphine@193.220.103.232] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:27:23 *** edeca [~david@beefy.two-pebbles.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:29:23 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-67-220.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:31:14 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B74F94.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:37:40 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77087.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:40:23 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> momentum.oftc.net quits: ThePizzaKing 02:41:29 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:51:32 *** Netsplit over, joins: ThePizzaKing 02:55:34 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:17:42 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-33-246.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 04:17:42 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-67-220.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:25:28 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-67-220.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:29:34 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-33-246.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 04:52:47 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-67-220.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:52:47 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-67-220.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:53:13 *** roboman is now known as roboboy 04:55:19 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-157-122.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 05:04:18 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-160-244.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 05:08:16 *** orudge [~orudge@8afbfebe.resnet.st-andrews.ac.uk] has quit [] 05:09:48 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-144-104.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:09:58 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 05:11:43 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74-140-44-235.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #openttd 05:12:53 *** orudge [~orudge@8afbfebe.resnet.st-andrews.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 05:12:56 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 05:18:50 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74-140-44-235.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:18:50 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 05:28:27 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-157-122.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:50:49 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-157-122.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 05:58:52 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-157-122.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:05:48 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pd9eb75ef.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:11:06 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host231-235-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 06:11:36 <Wolf01> hello 06:30:40 <peter1138> hi 06:30:45 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@i5387C01B.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:41:45 <Wolf01> peter, i plan to put another widget on the transparency options toolbar, to toggle the memorization of active transparencies, instead of use patch settings, what do you think? 06:43:48 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:43:56 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 06:53:26 <lolman> Morning :) 06:56:55 <Wolf01> hello lolman :) 06:57:20 <lolman> Ello Wolf01 :) 07:00:47 <lolman> Have I missed much in the couple of weeks I've been away? :P 07:01:45 <Wolf01> may be possible to code a "gui creator" to make more simple to create and edit a gui? i'm not good in maths, to sum numbers from 1 to 10 is not a problem, but when i have multiples of 21, 43 etc is hard :D 07:04:59 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:09:32 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 07:18:12 <Wolf01> http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/patches/transparency_options_gui_9621_transparency_memorization_widget.diff a widget should be more meaningful than an hidden patch option :D 07:27:41 <Maedhros> Frostregen: NS was removed for a reason - i.e. it causes multiplayer desyncs 07:32:33 <Wolf01> that was an useful feature, if only worked, i think the solution to sync it at game start was not so easy, right? 07:45:34 <peter1138> ... a useful ... 07:45:38 <peter1138> english :D 07:47:01 <hylje> :o 07:53:13 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-40-128.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 07:54:46 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 08:11:40 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-147-139.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 08:13:27 *** Nigel_ [~nigel@202-154-147-139.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:16:10 *** Wolfensteijn [~wolf@h88211156156.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:16:52 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:17:37 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57A0EC53.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:25:40 <hylje> D: 08:28:56 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 08:36:29 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E4A8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:59:46 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:00:10 *** tokai [~tokai@p54b8164a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:02:30 *** tokai [~tokai@p54b83272.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:02:33 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 09:41:46 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:44:24 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truelight * r9622 /branches/noai/ (12 files in 5 dirs): 09:44:24 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Add: added AITownList, which lists all towns (and which you can iterate) 09:44:24 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Add: added AITownListValuators, to get, for example, all population of the townlist (see regression-test for example) 09:44:24 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Fix: fixed AIList to allow Valuators in a simple and safe way (tnx a lot KUDr) 09:44:26 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Update: updated regression to test above changes 09:44:26 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Fix: Valuate() of valuators are no longer public (Rubidium) 09:48:27 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truelight * r9623 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ai_list.hpp: [NoAI] -Fix: some comments to make doxygen happy 09:51:01 *** iPandaMojo [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 09:51:07 *** McHawk [~hawk@p5489F2A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:55:30 *** jolie- [~sdsa@212.156.188.80] has joined #openttd 09:55:33 *** jolie- [~sdsa@212.156.188.80] has quit [Excess Flood] 09:57:21 *** A1win^ [a1win@loota.fi] has left #openttd [] 10:43:24 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:44:08 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 10:53:38 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.62] has joined #openttd 11:03:22 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:11:19 *** Morphy [~morphine@193.220.103.232] has joined #openttd 11:12:07 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 11:12:37 *** Osai^zZz is now known as Osai 11:24:26 *** DebolazY [~root@office.nsn.no] has quit [] 11:34:28 *** Thomas[NL]_ [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:34:28 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:35:33 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-40-128.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Quit: Hapiness ;D] 11:36:06 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-157-122.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 11:36:21 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-157-122.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:44:50 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:53:31 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E4A8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:55:35 *** iPandaMojo [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: iPandaMojo] 11:59:48 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-67-220.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:08:38 * Wolf01 wonders why is still not possible to rename buoys 12:14:06 <lolman> hmm 12:14:07 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-67-220.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:14:27 <Sacro> oh noes 12:14:31 <lolman> lol 12:15:41 <lolman> Hmm I need food...bbs 12:29:11 *** antichaos [~IceChat7@host86-132-127-161.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:39:29 <lolman> And back :) 12:45:21 <Sacro> oh noes 12:45:37 <lolman> lol 12:45:42 <lolman> oh noes indeed 12:46:06 <antichaos> peter1138, will the newcargo stuff mean that where we currently have code like 'if (cargo_type == CT_PASSENGERS)' we will have to do something different? 12:47:48 *** glx [~glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:47:51 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:17:33 *** sPooT [~spoot@e156067.upc-e.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 13:24:18 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-141-227-156.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 13:55:05 *** nfc [~nfc@dsl-hvkgw1-fe65fa00-43.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:00:28 * mggrant peers at antichaos and wonders if he ever used to play ATITD 14:00:36 <antichaos> I did indeed 14:00:43 *** mggrant is now known as FaceAnkh 14:00:48 <FaceAnkh> small world :) 14:00:50 <antichaos> no way! 14:00:58 <FaceAnkh> how're you doing? :) 14:00:58 <antichaos> how are you doing? 14:01:07 <FaceAnkh> hehe, good thanks - currently down in Plymouth :) 14:01:11 *** nfc [~nfc@dsl-hvkgw1-fe65fa00-43.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:01:34 <antichaos> I'm good too. RL really caught up with me though :) 14:01:45 * FaceAnkh has a RL job now too and far less playtime, though is still bashing the odd camel 14:01:51 <FaceAnkh> yeah, it does that :/ 14:02:03 <FaceAnkh> I hear we get our lives back when we retire ;) 14:02:58 <FaceAnkh> hope it caught up with you in a good way, at least :) 14:03:34 <antichaos> Wife and baby on the way, so yes :) 14:04:41 <FaceAnkh> woohoo! :D 14:04:44 <FaceAnkh> congrats :D 14:05:21 <FaceAnkh> <TheDude> wow! pass on a congrats :D 14:05:27 * FaceAnkh has to pass that news around ;) 14:06:00 <antichaos> Aw thanks :) I do miss you all sometimes. 14:07:02 <FaceAnkh> still a fair few people lurking around in #atitd if you fancy visiting sometime, but no hurry :) 14:08:32 <antichaos> I shall. 14:08:40 <FaceAnkh> :) 14:08:55 <FaceAnkh> when is the baby due? :) 14:09:15 <antichaos> Mid November 14:09:58 <FaceAnkh> still a bit of time to knit socks and stuff then ;) 14:10:19 <peter1138> urgh 14:10:21 <peter1138> headache :/ 14:10:36 * Eddi|zuHause2 gives peter1138 aspirin 14:10:51 <antichaos> Just trying to complete a few personal projects before that's all I'm doing ;) 14:11:07 <FaceAnkh> hehe, cool :) 14:11:12 <FaceAnkh> <TheDude> whatever hes up to, im sure its something way above my head (including the wife and baby :P) 14:11:27 * FaceAnkh grins and had to quote that one too :) 14:11:44 <FaceAnkh> great to see you again anyway :) 14:11:53 <peter1138> antichaos: yes 14:12:09 <antichaos> And you. 14:12:37 <antichaos> peter1138 as of now? 14:12:58 <peter1138> antichaos: probably 'if (GetCargo(cargo)->town_effect == TE_PASSENGERS)' 14:13:22 <peter1138> then it'll do it for all cargo types that behave like passengers 14:14:25 <antichaos> ok, thanks. 14:15:04 <peter1138> or it can be done with classes, heh 14:17:52 <antichaos> Will this allow newhouses to accept/produce new cargos too? 14:18:53 <peter1138> yeah, that can be done already 14:19:57 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] 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quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:19:15 *** TronBSD is now known as Tron 16:19:54 <Wolf01> one thing i would find usefull: autoroute, maybe for little distances, like climbing an hill, which show you a possible layout, maybe you can select between "shortest, realistic, less terraform, etc" 16:22:51 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, something like this will be needed for new rail AI 16:29:39 *** EoD_afk is now known as EoD 16:34:05 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3DD25.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:38:15 *** Tron [~tron@p54a3f9d4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:38:46 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 16:47:26 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@i157063.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:00:20 *** UndernotBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.104.89] has joined #openttd 17:01:36 <UndernotBuilder> the main reason because I prefer stable releases than nightlies is because there are more servers and more people in the first one 17:02:55 <Wolf01> only because is hard to find 2 same nightlies when not all the people want to update their every night 17:03:27 <UndernotBuilder> maybe if most of we agree to use a standard nightly for mp we can get more players on nightlies servers 17:03:35 <peter1138> hmm 17:03:39 <peter1138> bah 17:03:45 <peter1138> laptop not bright enough outside :( 17:14:37 <hylje> :< 17:16:21 <peter1138> indeed 17:37:23 <HMage> don't ever try to build railway like this -- http://photofile.ru/photo/dr-root/2285921/large/39919352.jpg :) 17:42:53 <Eddi|zuHause> "russian engineering" :) 17:45:06 <HMage> i'd say "russia is too f@#%ing huge to maintain" :) 17:45:34 <HMage> but yeah, hack'n'slash-type engineering is prominent here 17:45:57 <HMage> that's why most things are designed to be idiot-proof in russia 17:46:22 <peter1138> wtf... 17:47:11 <mggrant> peter1138: get a sony laptop - they have stunningly bright screens 17:47:16 <mggrant> works in direct sunlight forme 17:48:07 <peter1138> heh 17:48:13 <peter1138> this one had the advantage of being free 17:51:43 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 17:55:44 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:01:35 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 18:01:37 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 18:10:17 <mggrant> ah, hard to beat free :) 18:11:43 <peter1138> anyway, i can see it now; the sun's going down 18:11:52 <peter1138> of course, that means it's getting a bit cold... 18:13:06 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.62] has quit [Quit: HMage] 18:13:22 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.62] has joined #openttd 18:21:14 *** Digitalfox[Home] [~chatzilla@bl7-189-134.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 18:22:57 <Digitalfox[Home]> Hi :) 18:23:32 <Digitalfox[Home]> peter1138: Using TTRS 3 and openttd last nightly, banks still use old banks grafics, doesn't ttrs 3 replace banks? 18:24:15 <peter1138> yes it does 18:24:27 <peter1138> but they're industries 18:25:30 <Digitalfox[Home]> So ttrs changes the behavior of banks or just the grafics? 18:25:47 <peter1138> behaviour, presumably 18:25:55 <Digitalfox[Home]> oh ok :) 18:26:01 <peter1138> if it was just graPHics it would work 18:26:17 <Digitalfox[Home]> I'll use other newgrf graphics for banks ;) 18:26:44 <Digitalfox[Home]> thanks for explaining ;) 18:35:40 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: www.sexybiggetje.nl] 18:37:37 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:45:06 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-33-246.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 18:46:09 *** Zr40_ [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:46:37 *** green-devil [~c@0x573556a3.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:53:05 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:53:46 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:54:19 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3DD25.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 18:54:28 *** Tron [~tron@p54a3dd25.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:55:13 *** epsilon [~warzywo@247.203.97-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 18:57:28 <Ammler> Why is the front page of the wiki write protected? 18:57:47 <glx> to prevent vandalism 18:57:58 <Ammler> When did this happen? 18:58:07 <Ammler> (just wondering) 18:58:32 <Ammler> because I liked to change the link to the forum 18:58:35 *** Zr40_ [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:05:16 *** green-devil [~c@0x573556a3.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [] 19:07:59 <TrueBrain> Ammler: long long long long LONG ago :) 19:08:22 <Ammler> Then it would be time to open it... 19:08:29 <TrueBrain> nope 19:08:42 <TrueBrain> you can just ask admins to change what ever you think that hsould be changed :) 19:09:38 <Ammler> the link to the forum should be http://www.tt-forums.net/index.php?c=20 19:10:01 <glx> or http://forum.openttd.org :) 19:10:12 <TrueBrain> remember that it is your opinion ;) And I go with glx :) 19:10:32 <Ammler> I fully agree with glx 19:10:46 <Ammler> And why is it not this link? 19:10:54 <TrueBrain> I dunno, it is linked to there overhere 19:11:53 <Ammler> The problem of your paranoia is that nobody can change such little things. 19:12:04 <TrueBrain> 'my paranoia' :s 19:13:14 <Ammler> lol, you are fast 19:14:50 <TrueBrain> Ammler: no, we just do such little changes when ever someone tells us about it. 19:15:27 <Ammler> Is the vandalism still in the histoy? 19:16:31 <UndernotBuilder> I want forum.openttd.org :) 19:17:01 <Ammler> UndernotBuilder: you are to slow.... 19:17:49 *** silent [~pwr@86.121.234.11] has joined #openttd 19:18:09 <UndernotBuilder> wait a moment 19:18:19 <UndernotBuilder> that forum looks familiar to me :P 19:19:31 <Frostregen> good to know... no more scrolling =) 19:19:54 <peter1138> heh 19:19:58 <Ammler> I was wondering why nobody did change the MiniIN page and did it self, later I found out, that it has stopped 19:19:59 <peter1138> i always had c=20 bookmarked... 19:20:17 <UndernotBuilder> but when you return to forums list returns to full tt-forums :S 19:20:18 <Ammler> that why 19:20:22 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truelight * r9624 /branches/noai/src/squirrel_std.hpp: [NoAI] -Fix: stupid OSX defines 'require' as macro... which sane system does that?! 19:20:31 <Ammler> you need such noobs like me sometimes 19:20:41 <peter1138> UndernotBuilder: dunno, i always just used the back button... 19:20:59 <glx> I always use 3 tabs :) 19:21:42 *** EoD [~EoD@pD9EEE18F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:24:31 <Ammler> hmm, just checked, the frontpage of wikipedia is also protected 19:24:53 <TrueBrain> of course it is 19:25:06 <TrueBrain> you never saw the spam-bots? :) 19:27:11 <Ammler> aha, thats why you use catcha for external links, ok, I understand you now 19:27:20 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81817.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:30:32 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80974.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:30:35 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 19:31:37 <DorpsGek> bark bark bark woef woef grrrrr 19:32:29 *** RichK67 [~RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 19:32:34 *** RichK67 [~RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [] 19:33:13 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:35:46 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x535ca25f.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:35:49 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 19:37:27 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:39:56 <Digitalfox[Home]> Hello Bjarni, are you thinking of adding to autoreplace also the option to chose refit if available, it would very noce for newgrf, like george vehicles v4 or train set's :) 19:40:04 <Digitalfox[Home]> *nice 19:40:21 <Bjarni> err 19:40:29 <Bjarni> autoreplace already refits if needed 19:41:07 <Bjarni> autoreplace will never change the type of cargo the vehicle carries as it can cause a lot of problems for the player 19:41:28 <Wolf01> i would like replace only listed vehicles for a station instead of all the vehicles 19:41:45 <Bjarni> me too 19:41:50 <Digitalfox[Home]> Well, let's give this example, some trucks have 2 kinds of goods limit, one limit is 50 the other 60, so it will chose the first in list not the max.. I hope you cabn understand my point 19:41:58 <Bjarni> but it's not as easy to code as you might think 19:42:40 <Sacro> zomg a Bjarni 19:45:02 <Digitalfox[Home]> I'm not talking about cargo change, but when some vehicles have multi versions for carring the same cargo, let's take a bus where he can carry 33 / 50 / 80 /120 passangersm auto replace will just replace with the standard, and won't give the option to chose.. 19:46:14 <peter1138> can you even *imagine* how a GUI to control that would look? 19:47:02 <Digitalfox[Home]> standard i mean default.. Well peter1138 i know it's not a easy think, but for me and also everybody else, it would help a lot the autoreplace nightmare of 380 buses 19:47:28 <peter1138> or just use a sensible vehicle set 19:48:38 <Bjarni> it would be a whole lot of work to make this... too much compared to the benefit compared to the other stuff I should be looking at 19:48:44 <Digitalfox[Home]> peter1138: Even dbsetxl has the same problem, where some engines that can carry mail or passengers you can't chose what theengines should load 19:48:51 <Bjarni> so pick a sane vehicle set 19:49:16 <peter1138> it's just not practical 19:49:20 *** iPandaMojo [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: iPandaMojo] 19:49:28 <Digitalfox[Home]> ok, maybe in a very far future :) 19:49:32 <peter1138> and still 19:49:37 <peter1138> you've gotta play the game at some point 19:49:49 <Bjarni> this is a classic. I add a feature and people go "it could be better".... try to play without autoreplace then :p 19:51:10 <Digitalfox[Home]> Bjarni: I'm not complaining about autoreplace not being a really nice feature, it is a really nice feature, just a little upgrade is what i'm asking, but i understand it would take a lot of work, so just forget it :) 19:51:14 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 19:51:29 <peter1138> it's not little 19:51:33 <Bjarni> "just a little upgrade"... 19:51:37 <Bjarni> it's huge 19:51:52 <peter1138> i can't even imagine how a gui to do it would look 19:52:01 <Bjarni> first you will need to figure out how you want the GUI for it to be, then code it and then write the actual feature 19:52:14 <peter1138> never mind that the refit options change over time 19:52:28 <peter1138> +can 19:53:22 <Bjarni> don't expect this to be coded 19:53:23 <Digitalfox[Home]> Ok :) 19:53:45 <Digitalfox[Home]> I understand. :( 19:53:49 <Bjarni> it's a huge change in the code and near impossible to fix all issues for 19:57:52 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B65DFD.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 20:00:09 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 20:01:30 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truelight * r9625 /branches/noai/ (10 files in 5 dirs): [NoAI] -Add: added AITileList() and one valuator for now: AITileListBuildable() 20:13:37 *** UndernotBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.104.89] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:17:41 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truelight * r9626 /branches/noai/ (14 files in 4 dirs): 20:17:41 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Change: renamed AIList to AIAbstractList and hide 'AddItem' and 'RemoveItem' 20:17:41 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Add: added AIList to work like the old AIList 20:24:34 *** [gen2]niki [~niki@p5090c3f3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:26:36 *** antichaos [~IceChat7@host86-132-127-161.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:28:15 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.11/2007031202]] 20:30:07 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-49-35.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 20:32:23 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-33-246.adslplus.ch] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:32:55 <antichaos> hmm, I just tried to register on flyspray and I got some php error messages and no confirmation email :( 20:34:11 <Eddi|zuHause> the php errors have been there forever, but should not affect the email 20:35:03 <antichaos> ok, maybe it's just taking some time to deliver 20:35:50 *** willister [~willister@88-110-31-29.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 20:36:04 <willister> evening 20:37:19 <willister> Anyone here who can give me a hint on the houseSpec struct? 20:37:31 <Maedhros> what do you want to know about it? 20:38:14 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9627 /branches/noai/src/ai/ (23 files in 2 dirs): [NoAI] -Fix: let the squirrel export script export all needed (and a few more) types of references to structs and classes. 20:38:23 <willister> I'm trying to work out how much passengers a perticular tile will generate. will the byte "population" tell me that? 20:38:32 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:39:15 <Sacro> willister: check the code for the query tool 20:39:45 <peter1138> there's a whole generic function for that 20:40:03 <willister> what file is the query tool code in? 20:40:47 <peter1138> void GetAcceptedCargo(TileIndex tile, AcceptedCargo ac); 20:40:55 <peter1138> er 20:40:56 <peter1138> oh 20:40:59 <peter1138> generate :p 20:41:07 <willister> generated 20:41:10 <willister> ah :) 20:41:43 <willister> I would guess the query tool is under widget or window 20:42:51 <Maedhros> willister: have a look at line 343 in town_cmd.cpp 20:43:32 <Maedhros> basically, you get a random number, check if it's less than the population, munge it a bit, then use that 20:44:18 <willister> so its not fixed? its random? 20:44:40 <Maedhros> yup 20:45:03 <willister> :) I'd expected it some be something like 1/3 or population or something 20:45:21 <willister> ok, my ai will have to make to with estimated passengers 20:45:34 <willister> or maxium, maybe 20:45:56 <willister> Thanks for that 20:46:10 <Maedhros> np :) 20:48:28 <willister> really like this squirrel addition. Like working on AI's :) 20:49:52 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip195-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 20:49:58 <MeusH> hello 20:50:04 <willister> Hiya 20:51:10 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.62] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:51:11 * antichaos is still waiting for his email from flyspray 20:53:06 <willister> Currently trying to bugfix my ai though... The first few seem to work well, but openttd crashes sometime after the 4th :( 20:53:44 <willister> trying to find out when it happens, I'd think it was some array out of bounds error somewhere 20:57:24 <Rubidium> can't you trace it to a single call? 20:57:55 <antichaos> it's arrived. you can all relax now ;) 20:59:05 <willister> not yet, not using any debug tools, I'm just getting it to output text to the debug window, and working out from there :-P 20:59:40 <willister> when I've got all the main functions not being random, then I'll go into it fully 20:59:40 *** [gen2]niki [~niki@p5090c3f3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 21:00:08 <willister> think I only have 3 functions left that pick random points, and not calculated ones 21:00:35 <Wolf01> 'night 21:00:40 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host231-235-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:01:47 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9628 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ (14 files): 21:01:47 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Fix: missing svn:eol-style and svn:keywords 21:01:47 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Fix: wrong filename for @file comments 21:09:18 *** waxman [~cfluegel@static.88-198-83-123.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:18:53 *** waxman [~cfluegel@static.88-198-83-123.clients.your-server.de] has joined #openttd 21:19:21 <willister> does svn normally take 20-30 min to checkout? 21:19:40 <willister> update sorry 21:19:41 <Sacro> willister: no 21:20:00 <willister> weird, must be my net 21:23:37 <willister> have to leave it updating overnight 21:23:39 <willister> night night all 21:23:57 <guru3> or you're checking out too much 21:24:52 <willister> upadating the noai branch 21:24:55 <willister> thats it 21:25:44 *** willister [~willister@88-110-31-29.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [] 21:31:22 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Life is a game of pick-up-sticks, played by fucking lunatics.] 21:33:21 <MeusH> goodnight 21:33:25 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip195-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Quit: bye - quit] 21:57:48 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9629 /branches/noai/ (48 files in 3 dirs): [NoAI] -Codechange: move the squirrel export functions out of the API header files. 22:14:00 *** sPooT [~spoot@e156067.upc-e.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:16:14 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9630 /branches/noai/src/ai/ (ai_squirrel.cpp api/squirrel_export.sh): [NoAI] -Codechange: remove now useless define. 22:53:19 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B65DFD.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:09:25 *** Szandor [~user@host-84-9-129-1.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #openttd 23:17:13 *** antichaos [~IceChat7@host86-132-127-161.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Now if you will excuse me, I have a giant ball of oil to throw out my window] 23:24:30 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-141-227-156.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:27:05 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 23:52:46 *** Phil_ [~pveale@unrecognised.host.name] has quit [Quit: Changing server]