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00:53:01  <mikegrb> the tunnels under water and waterfalls stuffs looks awesome
00:53:28  <Sionide> ...link?
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01:06:17  <Belugas> http://www.tt-forums.net//files/waterfalls_131.png
01:06:18  <Belugas> image
01:06:43  <Belugas> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=31576
01:06:45  <Belugas> topic
01:07:09  <Sacro> you lose a sense of depth
01:07:36  <Belugas> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=31644
01:07:41  <Belugas> topic
01:09:12  * Belugas goes deep in whatever he was doing
01:09:21  <Belugas> *is*
01:10:19  <Tefad> how is it prevented from some idiot planting a water tile at land on sealevel?
01:10:41  <Tefad> ah in topic.
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06:53:18  <Phazorx> did something bad happenned to otfc again?
06:54:11  <Rubidium> not that I'm aware of
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06:58:09  <Sacro|Laptop> yeah, it netsplit earlier
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07:04:59  <Phazorx> i got 3 diff idents request past connect after netsplit
07:05:01  <Phazorx> weird
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07:16:12  <peter1138> morning
07:16:23  <hylje> evening
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10:46:31  <kaan> goodmorning all
10:47:04  <hylje> hi
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11:41:05  <Luukland> Is here any admin which can help me?
11:41:11  <Luukland> I only have some questions :)
11:41:32  <Luukland> Rubidium? peter1138? Someone?
11:42:05  <Rubidium> why would an admin be needed for that?
11:42:26  <Luukland> he gan give me the correct answers :)
11:42:33  <Luukland> may i query you?
11:42:43  <Luukland> darf ich Sie queryen?
11:42:50  <peter1138> ask on channel
11:43:21  <Luukland> Ok i would like to know who is the leader/supervisor of the multiplayer servers
11:43:45  <Luukland> of OpenTTD :)
11:44:14  <Rubidium> depends on the server
11:44:15  <blathijs> Luukland: Noone, really
11:44:31  <Rubidium> every server has it's own admin
11:45:21  <Luukland> bacause last times i got on a server, the whole time someone is buying land around "his" factories and mine stations
11:45:28  <Luukland> it gets very irritating
11:45:36  <Luukland> where can I report such things?
11:45:37  <peter1138> tough
11:45:45  <peter1138> play on a different server if you don't like it
11:46:12  <Luukland> well, if you have been playing for 50 years
11:46:28  <Rubidium> Luukland: try to get in contact with the administrator of the particular server
11:46:41  <Luukland> where can i find those names?
11:47:04  <Rubidium> sometimes there are in the servername, otherwise it's anyone's guess
11:47:57  <Luukland> maybe it is an idea for the future, maybe you can assign someone to this particular thing
11:48:10  <Luukland> because now this game is ruined :( :(
11:48:58  <hylje> public ottd multiplayer sucks because the game is so easily abused :\
11:49:13  <Luukland> that is correct
11:50:26  <Luukland> so you advise me to play only multyplayer with friends?
11:51:01  <hylje> friends or a community
11:51:09  <hylje> where you have server admins around
11:51:10  <Rubidium> try to find a server that is properly monitored
11:51:57  <Luukland> ok :)
11:52:15  <Luukland> may i thank you all for your help?!
11:52:18  <hylje> sure
11:52:41  <Luukland> :)
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11:59:44  <peter1138> yeah, really useful
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12:02:37  <nowhere> hi, question. I was playing on a server, then suddenly all my company got erased and I was put spectator. What could be the reason?
12:04:23  <eJoJ> bankrupt?
12:07:21  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9861 /trunk/src/unix.cpp: -Fix: null pointer derefence under MorphOS and AmigaOS.
12:07:25  <Rubidium> the server admin could've removed your company (possibly by accident)
12:11:36  <nowhere> yes but I was in the company
12:11:41  <nowhere> or is there a way to putspec?
12:12:24  <Rubidium> nowhere: when the server admin removes (or you bankrupt) your company you'll automatically become spectator
12:13:16  <nowhere> server admin can't remove company when there are players in it
12:13:18  <peter1138> iirc you can't remove a company if it has a player
12:13:39  <nowhere> i'm a little puzzled, I know there was an abusive admin in the game
12:13:48  <peter1138> possibly you went bankrupt, or there's a bug
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12:20:53  <Bjarni> wow. Blizzard just released another update for StarCraft
12:21:13  <Bjarni> how old will their games get before they stop caring about them?
12:21:27  <Bjarni> any other company would have forgotten about such an old title by now
12:21:27  <hylje> until nobody plays them
12:21:35  <hylje> wc2 bnet is still up
12:22:07  <Bjarni> <hylje> until nobody plays them <-- that would mean that they have to support them for decades
12:22:16  <hylje> they do
12:22:26  <hylje> starcraft itself is soon about a decade old
12:22:39  <Bjarni> yeah
12:22:53  <hylje> besides, blizzard is gearing up for a new game in two days
12:23:04  <Bjarni> ...
12:23:11  <Bjarni> bye bye exams :/
12:23:19  <hylje> rumor has it it's starcraft the second
12:23:37  <hylje> dont worry, the game will be released at the earliest by next year
12:23:48  <hylje> a beta test of an year is to be expected
12:24:19  <Bjarni> ahh
12:25:03  <Bjarni> besides I never bought any new games in the exam period. It's the road to fail
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12:28:16  <hnsn> i like to fail
12:33:15  <peter1138> Bjarni: i had a RCT patch the other day
12:33:33  <peter1138> not quite as old
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13:18:49  <Ammler> Is the planeset still uncompatible with ottd?
13:21:31  <Belugas> has it ever been?
13:21:51  <Belugas> what did it said the last time you've tried?
13:22:02  <Belugas> when was the last time you did try?
13:22:59  <Ammler> Belugas: now$
13:23:17  <Belugas> that is one answer
13:24:00  <Ammler> still the same answer, needs planespeed etc.
13:24:04  <Belugas> ho... another question : which version of ottd?
13:24:20  <peter1138> the bit flag isn't set
13:24:31  <Ammler> I thought, something like this is in the trunk now (r9861)
13:24:31  <peter1138> because we don't have a planespeed option yet
13:24:32  <peter1138> so
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13:24:53  <peter1138> when someone writes a fully functioning planespeed patch...
13:25:23  <Ammler> someone should tell them ot remove the bold text on the homepage
13:25:44  <peter1138> who on what?
13:26:17  <Ammler> New version 1.5.3 Available, now fully compatible with Open TTD! (http://www.as-st.com/ttd/planes/)
13:26:40  <peter1138> just use av8, it's better anyway :p
13:26:59  <Ammler> hehe, thats not the point
13:28:45  <Ammler> Does av8 have the same types of planes?
13:28:57  <Belugas> Ammler : 	1.5.3
13:28:58  <Belugas> (October 24, 2006)
13:29:17  <Belugas> Maedhros enforced the error detection on loading grf
13:29:26  <Belugas> so at that time, it was compatible
13:29:45  <Belugas> because it didn't noticed the error
13:29:50  <Belugas> i think
13:29:59  <Ammler> yeah, I just thought you did something last time for that...
13:30:14  <Belugas> me?
13:30:15  <Belugas> no...
13:30:19  <Belugas> far from it
13:30:25  <Ammler> mostly peter1138
13:30:47  <Belugas> i'm concentrating on other sides of OTTD as we speak...
13:36:24  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9862 /trunk/src/stdafx.h: -Fix (9842): strgen's error() does return in contrast to OTTD's error().
13:39:01  <Belugas> well...  not AS WE SPEAK, since i don't speak, but i type... And furthermore, i'm working... so not really OTTD.
13:39:05  * Belugas shuts up
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13:46:13  <peter1138> YEAH
13:46:18  <peter1138> i did it
13:48:50  <Belugas> OMG!!!  you did it!  yahoo!!!
13:48:52  <Belugas> hem...
13:48:54  <Belugas> wht?
13:49:27  <peter1138> i made it
13:49:31  <peter1138> a mug of tea :D
13:50:10  <Belugas> somehow, i feared something like that :S
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14:00:33  <peter1138> feared?
14:00:37  <peter1138> what's to fear about tea?
14:02:46  <Belugas> the answer of the "What" question not being a new wonderfull patch :P
14:03:12  <peter1138> oh, i've plenty of them
14:03:24  <peter1138> mostly for ancient revisions
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15:04:52  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9863 /branches/0.5/ (thread.c unix.c):
15:04:52  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.5] -Backport from trunk (r9759, r9861):
15:04:52  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Feature: Add threading support for MorphOS (r9759)
15:04:52  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Null pointer dereference under MorphOS and AmigaOS (r9861)
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15:22:27  <tokai|mdlx> question.. in openttd windows you have close gadget on left side and another gadget on right side in the window titlebar. what is this gadget good for? looks like a needle thingy.
15:23:25  <hylje> it makes the window survive
15:23:28  <tokai|mdlx> ok, found out.
15:23:30  <hylje> when you depress delete
15:23:35  <tokai|mdlx> right click brings help
15:23:49  <peter1138> it's a pin
15:23:55  <peter1138> it pins the window
15:24:59  <tokai|mdlx> Do ppl play openttd a lot with keybord? i use mostly mouse for things (except for input fields, like chat etc.)
15:25:05  <tokai|mdlx> +a
15:25:27  <peter1138> i guess most people use both
15:25:37  <peter1138> i can't play without using the shortcut keys...
15:25:38  <hylje> mouse for everything apart from terraforming toggles
15:27:42  <tokai|mdlx> faster airplains fly directly through slower airplans in airport waiting queues. looks funny:)
15:28:08  <hylje> :o
15:31:14  <tokai|mdlx> there are also some blitbugs in the buildings when airplane flies over them
15:33:47  <tokai|mdlx> http://tokai.binaryriot.org/blitbugs.png
15:46:19  <peter1138> building road/rail & terraforming is way easier with hotkeys
15:47:26  <peter1138> tokai|mdlx: fast aeroplanes have always gone directly through slower aeroplanes
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17:00:49  <Wolf01> hello
17:06:48  <Belugas> hello :)
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17:21:31  <Wolf01> !seen maedhros
17:21:33  <_42_> Wolf01, Maedhros (~jc@host86-133-71-162.range86-133.btcentralplus.com) was last seen quitting #openttd.notice 6 days 22 hours 2 minutes ago (10.05. 19:19) stating "Quit: leaving" after spending 3 hours 25 minutes there.
17:22:02  <Wolf01> really so much time ago? :O
17:30:53  <glx> yes exams
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17:41:41  <Wolf01> for adjoin stations, what is better: 1) start to drag over a station tile to extend selecting that station; 2) normal behaviour but a gui to select which station you want to extend between the ones you adjoin
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18:04:25  <kaan> how come trunk head doesnt compile?
18:06:19  <glx> kaan: known :)
18:06:37  <kaan> oki, just though id mention it ;)
18:07:31  <Rubidium> we're always notified when the nightlies fail to compile ;)
18:13:53  <ln-> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2007/may/10/1?picture=329825171
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18:30:37  <dihedral> games i host have been crashing lately
18:34:11  <peter1138> shame
18:35:41  <Rubidium> dihedral: 0.5.1 I guess?
18:37:59  <peter1138> i guess it's in r6500
18:40:18  <dihedral> Rubidium: yes
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18:42:10  <dihedral> but i have not a clue what is causing this crash
18:42:29  <dihedral> it is not always the same game that crashes
18:42:37  <Rubidium> we do
18:43:04  <Rubidium> and you do when you read the changelog of 0.5.2-RC1
18:43:18  <dihedral> no way... its out?
18:43:34  <dihedral> flippen heck
18:43:37  <dihedral> it is
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18:45:51  <dihedral> sugar
18:45:57  <dihedral> but
18:46:07  <dihedral> no one was playing at the time it crashed
18:46:33  <dihedral> in fact no one had been playing a few hours before it crashed
18:47:06  <dihedral> cannot have 0 players << what's that supposed to mean?
18:47:21  <dihedral> because the server is counted??
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18:49:45  <dihedral> quote from tt-forums:
18:49:46  <dihedral> It's a bugfix release so no new features except one (very) small thing that might be useful for server administrators (showing whether a game is protected in the "players" console command).
18:49:51  <dihedral> thanks :-)
18:53:41  <Rubidium> dihedral: "Fix: Only non dedicated servers cannot have 0 players" <- double negation can be so much fun ;)
18:53:52  <hylje> :o
18:53:59  <hylje> double positive?! yeah right
18:54:03  <Rubidium> only dedicated servers can have 0 players
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18:55:28  <peter1138> hmm, asus p5k3, iP35, s775...
18:55:32  <peter1138> £435...
18:55:48  <dihedral> i read on instead of non :-)
18:56:15  <dihedral> so what could have caused the crash
18:56:23  <peter1138> your mum
18:56:33  <peter1138> my boss
18:56:39  <peter1138> gordon brown
18:56:43  <Wolf01> or me
18:56:52  <Rubidium> divine intervention
18:57:23  <dihedral> a divine size 9 boot up the rear is what you guys need :-)
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18:59:12  <hylje> bovine intervention
19:00:41  <dihedral> my bad - there were playerws
19:00:46  <dihedral> was looking at the wrong stats
19:01:10  <dihedral> *players
19:01:47  <Wolf01> "Free Source Code Browser is a software application that allows you to view the source code of any webpage as you browse the internet." lol
19:02:32  <dihedral> lol
19:04:48  <dihedral> goto http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxmac/ click on "Buy Now" on the left hand side
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19:04:56  <dihedral> enter 0.001 for quantitiy
19:05:06  <dihedral> and update the purchase form :-)
19:06:24  <Wolf01> lol
19:07:51  <dihedral> you want to order some licenses?
19:07:58  <peter1138> negative numbers often work well
19:08:08  <dihedral> then think of me when you do so :-)
19:08:41  <dihedral> yeah - but the system is set out charge your account with money, not to book some into your account
19:10:00  <dihedral> in addition: CodeWeavers software is available for download,
19:10:14  <dihedral> so you do that purchase order and you can download a copy :-)
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19:25:57  <UndernotBuilder> if PBS was removed from trunk, why the buggy AI don't?
19:27:26  <peter1138> nobody cares about the ai
19:27:51  <UndernotBuilder> 0.5.2RC1? I didn't look at that!
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19:28:11  <Rubidium> UndernotBuilder: because the AI doesn't crash your trains for unknown reasons
19:28:40  <UndernotBuilder> I see more annonying the AI than PBS
19:28:45  <Wolf01> these crashes are features
19:28:56  <Wolf01> call them disasters
19:29:01  <dihedral> lol - it's not a but - it's a feature ;-)
19:29:04  <Wolf01> human errors :D
19:29:09  <dihedral> *bug
19:29:32  <UndernotBuilder> I never saw an crash caused by a well placed PBS junction
19:29:46  <peter1138> and i did
19:29:57  <Wolf01> i did too
19:30:20  <Rubidium> I didn't see a crash caused by a well placed PBS junctions, but I've seen crashed trains at my well placed PBS junctions when I wasn't even building in the neighbourhood
19:30:30  <Wolf01> just don't build a bridge over a reserved path or remove/add signals in reseerved paths
19:31:06  <dihedral> btw: when do you guys intend to include bridges over anything
19:31:28  <dihedral> ... i have the distinct feeling that i have once before asked this... just cannot really remember
19:31:31  <Rubidium> into what?
19:31:42  <dihedral> hehe - the stable releases
19:31:52  <Rubidium> read the wiki about releases and what goes into them
19:32:02  <dihedral> sure will
19:32:10  <dihedral> thanks for pointing that out :-)
19:32:12  <UndernotBuilder> what happened to Darkveter?
19:32:20  <UndernotBuilder> Darkvater*
19:32:20  <Brianetta> Real life
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19:42:54  <skidd13> Did someone use bazaar-ng?
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19:46:48  <Belugas> not me
19:46:59  <Belugas> but I love The Grand Bazaar!
19:47:28  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r9864 /branches/0.5/os/win32/installer/ (install.nsi notice.ini): [0.5] -Codechange (win32): Remove references to MSLU and hide UNICODE notice for win9x users in installer
19:47:36  <skidd13> I want to setup a vcs
19:48:10  <skidd13> and I didn't want to copy all revs from svn.openttd.org
19:49:26  <peterbrett> It is alleged that TrueLight has a git mirror working
19:49:27  <Rubidium> just 'mirror' the svn repository
19:49:34  <peterbrett> I just don't know how to get to it
19:50:11  <Rubidium> try the obvious first ;)
19:51:56  <skidd13> you mean "bzr mirror"?
19:52:21  <Rubidium> rather svn-mirror ;)
19:52:36  <Rubidium> but don't know whether that's going to work as expected
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20:01:00  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r9865 /trunk/src/stdafx.h: -Fix (r9862): NOT_REACHED() and error() declarations are needed for strgen
20:06:43  <dihedral> oh - hello Belugas
20:09:12  <dihedral> svnsync?
20:12:04  <Belugas> hello dihedral
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20:20:07  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9866 /trunk/src/ (economy.cpp industry.h table/build_industry.h): -Codechange: remove the technical one-input-cargo-creates-one-output-cargo limit in the factories, sawmills, steelmills and the ones I'm forgetting to mention right now. Use of this functionality will come later.
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20:38:42  <Phazorx> Rubidium: what's that for?
20:39:00  <Wolf01> newindustries!
20:39:28  <Belugas> :(
20:39:32  <Belugas> spoiler
20:39:56  <Belugas> good guess, Wolf01 :D
20:41:30  <Wolf01> it cannot be for track laying, so it has to be for newindustries
20:42:18  <Belugas> indeed :)
20:43:29  <Belugas> well... time to go home
20:43:41  <Belugas> have a good evenin/night guys
20:44:03  <Wolf01> nini
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21:02:35  * dihedral will crawl into bed
21:02:56  <dihedral> does anybody want to tuck me in?
21:02:59  <dihedral> :-D
21:03:02  <dihedral> :-P
21:03:07  <dihedral> just kidding
21:03:23  <dihedral> good night guys
21:03:30  <Wolf01> night
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21:04:58  <Phazorx> </dihedral fetish>
21:07:24  <Sacro> !calc 2^64
21:07:24  <_42_> Sacro: 18446744073709551616;
21:07:26  <Sacro> hmm
21:07:28  <Sacro> thats big
21:10:03  <maddy_> lol
21:12:04  <Rubidium> !calc 64!
21:12:06  <_42_> Rubidium: (standard_in) 2: parse error;
21:12:21  <Rubidium> stupid calculator doesn't even understand it :(
21:12:42  <glx> @calc 64!
21:12:43  <DorpsGek> glx: Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (line 1)
21:13:08  <glx> both bots are stupid :)
21:13:12  <Wolf01> try writing it all
21:13:22  <Wolf01> 64*63*...
21:13:28  <glx> @calc fact(64)
21:13:28  <DorpsGek> glx: Error: 'fact' is not a defined function.
21:13:33  <Touqen> @calc fac(64)
21:13:33  <DorpsGek> Touqen: Error: 'fac' is not a defined function.
21:13:40  <Touqen> @calc factorial(64)
21:13:40  <DorpsGek> Touqen: Error: 'factorial' is not a defined function.
21:13:44  <Touqen> weak
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21:17:38  <peter1138> @calc !64
21:17:39  <DorpsGek> peter1138: Error: invalid syntax (line 1)
21:17:42  <peter1138> @calc 64!
21:17:42  <DorpsGek> peter1138: Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (line 1)
21:17:51  <peter1138> oh, too slow :p
21:18:07  <kaan> So where do you huys think would be a good place to document BuildOTTD in the wiki?
21:18:29  <kaan> *guys
21:18:36  <Progman> on "BuildOTTD" itself
21:19:04  <kaan> and what section would you put that in then?
21:19:32  <Progman> section as categories in mediawiki?
21:19:48  <kaan> ok, you lost me there
21:20:13  <Rubidium> Development:BuildOTTD ?
21:21:07  <kaan> yes, that would be nice, but development main page has 6 subsections
21:21:14  <Progman> http://wiki.openttd.com/index.php/BuildOTTD
21:21:19  <Progman> just use this ;)
21:21:19  <kaan> i could take misc
21:21:58  <Rubidium> I'd put it between the other compilers
21:22:05  <Rubidium> on the development page
21:22:14  <kaan> ok, ill look at that then
21:22:23  <kaan> well better get started :)
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22:10:30  <Wolf01> 'night
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