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00:09:31 <alex_> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 00:09:38 <alex_> i need to name a bunch of my servers something 00:09:44 <alex_> what should i name them adter? 00:09:48 <alex_> after* 00:09:56 <alex_> starwars characters are old 00:10:14 <alex_> i was thinking battlestar galacticia or like 00:10:24 <alex_> um 00:10:40 <Eddi|zuHause> heroes characters :) 00:10:41 <alex_> yeah 00:10:49 <Sionide> ottd trains 00:10:59 <alex_> lol ottd trains 00:11:10 <alex_> i was thinking gangsters too 00:11:11 <alex_> like gambino 00:11:14 <alex_> and al capone 00:11:14 <Sionide> D12 members 00:11:19 <alex_> d12 sucks nuts 00:11:35 <alex_> and what if i have more than 12 servers 00:11:37 <alex_> :D 00:11:49 <Eddi|zuHause> then take D12 for the worst server :p 00:12:00 <Sionide> you said, "a bunch" 00:12:47 <alex_> ill be expanding 00:12:48 <Eddi|zuHause> is "bunch" and official measurement unit? 00:12:52 <alex_> LOL 00:12:57 <alex_> 5 servers to be exact 00:13:14 <alex_> although i will be purchasing a quad core machine soon to run virtual servers 00:13:20 <alex_> but im waiting fot AMD to hurry up 00:13:25 <alex_> with thier quad core 00:14:14 <benc_> beatles? 00:14:20 <sartsj> i hope you're not buying the quad core for 5 openttd servers ;p 00:15:33 <alex_> hell no 00:15:54 <benc_> hell no to naming them after the beatles, or about usage?:P 00:16:00 <alex_> both 00:16:02 <alex_> lol 00:16:10 <benc_> tsk, no respect for good music ;) 00:16:13 <alex_> the quad core is going to run virtual linux machines - debian 00:16:18 <sartsj> woohoo 00:16:34 <sartsj> model name : Pentium III (Coppermine) 00:16:34 <sartsj> stepping : 6 00:16:34 <sartsj> cpu MHz : 933.356 00:16:38 <sartsj> now that's a processor 00:16:56 <benc_> old standbys for me are the greek, roman, and norse pantheons 00:16:56 <sartsj> who needs quadcore when you have a coppermine 00:17:04 <benc_> and types of fruits and veggies 00:17:08 <benc_> very expandable set of names 00:17:11 <alex_> lol 00:17:12 <sartsj> irish names 00:17:14 <alex_> carrot, lemon 00:17:14 <sartsj> are my thing 00:17:26 <alex_> cucumber 00:17:28 <benc_> think more exotic 00:17:29 <sartsj> my main pc is finnegan, laptop is called murphy 00:17:31 <sartsj> ;p 00:17:34 <benc_> kiwi, mango 00:17:44 <Rubidium> alex_: the different brand names for the AMD processors leading up to the quad core 00:17:44 <alex_> hmmmmm 00:18:04 <alex_> i need something fresh 00:18:08 <benc_> so when your laptop dies, you'll hold finnegan's wake? 00:18:13 <benc_> sorry, that was terrible 00:18:14 <alex_> amd names of cpus' as shite 00:18:16 <sartsj> yea Rubidium, who wouldnt like a server called Thoroughbred :/ 00:18:40 <sartsj> benc_, no, when my laptop dies, ill hold murphy's wake p 00:18:43 <sartsj> :) 00:19:03 <benc_> doh, my reading comprehension must be turned off today 00:19:13 <sartsj> server is called tessie though 00:19:21 <sartsj> not really irish i guess 00:19:46 <alex_> hmmmmm 00:19:49 <alex_> plants? 00:20:02 <sartsj> latin names of plants then 00:20:02 <alex_> hmm actually plants suck too 00:20:06 <benc_> just don't go by scientific names 00:20:13 <alex_> yeah i wont remember them 00:20:16 <alex_> i need something like 00:20:31 <alex_> if i name a computer, just by the name i would know what it does like 00:20:31 <sartsj> if you want to remember them easily, go with the fruits 00:20:34 <alex_> for example 00:20:38 <benc_> ping toxicodendron-radicans 00:20:45 <alex_> firewall-box 00:20:48 <alex_> www1-bos 00:20:50 <alex_> box* 00:20:53 <alex_> www2-box 00:20:54 <alex_> etc etc 00:20:56 <sartsj> boring 00:20:57 <alex_> but something more 00:20:59 <alex_> yeh 00:21:00 <alex_> less boring 00:21:01 <benc_> very enterprisey 00:21:06 <alex_> yes 00:21:09 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB599A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^zZz] 00:21:09 <benc_> except for "box" instead of "serv" 00:21:09 <alex_> very gay. 00:21:20 <alex_> so ........ 00:21:27 <alex_> >_< 00:21:34 <sartsj> srv_httpd_01 00:21:41 <alex_> o what call my lovely machines 00:21:46 <sartsj> srv_ottd_3103 00:21:49 <alex_> lol 00:22:06 <benc_> who puts punctation in their server names, gosh 00:22:20 <alex_> <benc_> ping toxicodendron-radicans 00:22:22 <alex_> lol! 00:22:32 <benc_> wasn't serious though :D 00:22:36 <alex_> ya :D 00:22:42 <alex_> hrmpf 00:22:47 <sartsj> punctation? 00:22:49 * alex_ taps head 00:22:51 <sartsj> you mean the underscores? 00:22:52 <benc_> punctuation 00:23:07 <alex_> body parts? 00:23:10 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 00:23:12 <benc_> ha 00:23:14 <alex_> anus, brain, ears 00:23:20 <Sacro> http://www.doingitwrong.com/wrong/traindrift.jpg 00:23:28 <benc_> name them by function 00:23:36 <sartsj> lol Sacro 00:24:22 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D50F.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 00:24:39 <sartsj> or cool band names 00:24:59 <alex_> famous leaders? 00:25:03 <benc_> yeah 00:25:13 <alex_> my firewall can be called hitler 00:25:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10473 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: make the industry "window", the one that shows when you click on an industry, more flexible to allow easier integration with newindustries. 00:25:25 <benc_> napoleon, frederick, lincoln 00:25:42 <benc_> better name for a firewall box might be stalin 00:25:47 <alex_> yeah 00:25:49 <alex_> stalin :) 00:25:58 <alex_> hmmmm excellent 00:26:04 <alex_> famous leaders is a good one 00:26:07 <alex_> what else is there 00:26:16 <benc_> philosophers 00:26:27 <alex_> there is gotta be a geek list on this stuff out there on the intarwebs 00:26:36 <sartsj> stalin for a firewall box 00:26:44 <alex_> stalin++ 00:26:49 <sartsj> einstein for ehhh 00:26:55 <alex_> dev box 00:26:56 <sartsj> your new quadcore 00:26:57 <alex_> :) 00:27:21 <sartsj> georgewbush for your slow testing box 00:27:24 <alex_> quadcore could be telsa 00:27:27 <benc_> then once you replace it with a next gen box, hawking 00:27:27 <alex_> lmaop 00:27:45 <alex_> awesome 00:28:25 <sartsj> i'm wondering 00:28:41 <sartsj> are there any patches that enable an openttd server to post stats on an irc channel? 00:28:50 <sartsj> maybe in combination with an eggdrop 00:29:23 <benc_> patches to openttd? 00:29:37 <alex_> im going to be creating a website that enables users to edit config files, and then launch a server they specify :) 00:29:40 <alex_> and ill host it 00:29:44 <sartsj> well it would need a patch 00:29:46 <benc_> would be better as an external script i'd think 00:30:02 <sartsj> can anyone query a server for stats? 00:30:14 <benc_> yes. 00:30:15 <benc_> see http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=32659 00:30:27 <sartsj> ahh 00:30:29 <sartsj> thanks 00:30:30 <benc_> you just need to be able to send a udp query 00:30:30 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-160-16.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:30:33 <benc_> np 00:30:37 <sartsj> might be able to fix up a tcl then 00:30:46 <sartsj> if there isnt one already 00:31:02 <benc_> alex_: sounds cool! 00:31:13 <benc_> lotsa config work i'm sure 00:31:23 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:31:40 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 00:32:35 <alex_> benc_: perl 00:32:38 <alex_> for the win 00:32:47 <alex_> <--- is a perl hacker 00:32:48 * benc_ more of a python guy himself, but yes. 00:33:00 <alex_> it wouldnt be too much work 00:33:07 <alex_> ill just do it in .cgi and be lazy 00:33:18 <alex_> would require some safe gaurds tho 00:33:28 <alex_> as you can imangine 00:33:29 <benc_> yeah, that's what i was referring to 00:33:42 <benc_> the interweb is full of griefers 00:33:52 <alex_> yeah...... i would max it to say 5 servers..... max map size 512x512 00:34:06 <alex_> and max 50 years 00:34:11 <alex_> that should keep them at bay 00:34:17 <alex_> 50 years or 12 hours 00:34:19 <alex_> :) 00:34:24 <sartsj> thats why we also need to have company passwords saved for multiplayer games 00:35:04 <benc_> alex_ will encounter a different type of griefer though 00:35:08 <alex_> i read some python code the other day 00:35:12 <alex_> freaked me ouit 00:35:21 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C21C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:35:24 <alex_> benc_: such as? 00:35:31 <benc_> yeah, significant whitespace takes a bit of getting used to 00:35:47 <sartsj> only thing i know is php 00:35:50 <benc_> alex_: people maxing out system resources 00:36:10 <benc_> making path finding algos go crazy for example 00:36:10 <alex_> http://www.doingitwrong.com/wrong/20070326-030655.jpg 00:36:19 <benc_> maybe i'm overestimating, shrug 00:36:22 <alex_> hmmmmm 00:36:33 <sartsj> ahahahaha 00:36:39 <sartsj> nice one alex_ 00:36:39 *** BamBam [~bambam@p5B047681.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:36:41 <alex_> i would limit some of the cfg options 00:36:43 <benc_> hah, nice 00:36:50 <alex_> so they couldnt touch that shit 00:36:52 <benc_> same guy with the moran sign 00:37:13 <sartsj> i saw some video a while ago, with british tv people asking a bunch of americans questions about the world 00:37:26 <benc_> there's still ways. but you're probably not opening yourself up to more than if you were running a typical openttd server. 00:37:49 <sartsj> they'd show them a map of the world, where australia would have the words 'north korea' printed inside, and they'd point to australia when asked where north korea was 00:38:13 <sartsj> and they asked some guy who he thought america should attack next 00:38:18 <sartsj> his answer was france 00:38:24 <sartsj> because they were against the war in iraq 00:38:34 <sartsj> he actually sounded serious 00:38:57 <glx> they watch too much tv :) 00:39:06 <alex_> or they dont have a clue 00:39:40 <sartsj> oh 00:39:52 <sartsj> and they asked one guy where KFC came from 00:40:11 <sartsj> and when they asked him what KFC meant, he did know it is kentucky fried chicken 00:40:51 <benc_> sounds like leno's jaywalking 00:43:59 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Solong, and thanks for all the fish.] 00:44:14 <alex_> the main things they would be able to edit would be: towns, industry, map size > 512, max loan, um, yeah 00:44:27 <alex_> thats all one would really need 00:44:32 <alex_> wouldnt it? 00:45:07 <benc_> that's the ticket.. whitelist individual settings instead of blacklist 00:45:08 <alex_> i would also do ps aux scans of the system and any run away openttd processes takeing up more than 50% of cpu i would nuke 00:45:36 <benc_> can always add requested settings later 00:45:42 <alex_> yeah 00:45:53 <alex_> i would need to create a user management thingy too 00:45:59 <alex_> so they could shutdown their server too 00:46:02 <alex_> hmmmm lots of work :) 00:46:16 <alex_> im looking foward to ti 00:46:17 <alex_> it* 00:47:12 * Sacro goes back to reading yapf... 00:47:51 <benc_> a bit of light bedtime reading 00:49:27 <alex_> i wonder what type of server would you name churchill after 00:49:59 <sartsj> a fat database server 00:50:26 <alex_> or che guevara? 00:50:37 <alex_> :) 00:50:42 <alex_> bob marley? 00:50:43 <alex_> lol 00:50:53 <sartsj> ooh the last 2 are difficult 00:51:15 <sartsj> the che quevara one has to have a completely different setup 00:51:29 <alex_> che guevara could be a ldirector box 00:51:46 <alex_> (high dependancy, redundancy) 00:52:00 <sartsj> naww 00:52:04 <sartsj> it has to be a bit unstable 00:52:12 <alex_> windows machine? 00:52:16 <sartsj> and it has to use completely different hardware/software 00:52:24 <alex_> windows machine on cyrix 00:52:33 <alex_> infact, windows on a mac.... 00:52:38 <alex_> heaven forbid 00:52:58 <sartsj> and if you want it to be politically correct, it shouldnt really use commercial products 00:53:04 <sartsj> ;p 00:53:20 <sartsj> anyway 00:53:22 <sartsj> i'm off to bed 00:54:43 <alex_> cya 00:54:46 <alex_> im off to sleep too 00:55:04 <alex_> i might aswell idle :) 00:59:06 <alex_> http://www.doingitwrong.com/wrong/20070311-122657.jpg 00:59:06 *** Zavior [~Zavior@217.152.122.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:59:10 *** Zavior [~Zavior@217.152.122.2] has joined #openttd 00:59:12 <alex_> just before i leave :) 01:01:21 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB6174.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:04:31 <alex_> http://www.doingitwrong.com/wrong/pDont_Touch.jpg 01:04:34 <alex_> ok one more :P 01:15:12 <Eddi|zuHause> <sartsj> i saw some video a while ago, with british tv people asking a bunch of americans questions about the world <- i think that was an australian guy 01:18:16 <Jerub> sounds like the chaser. 01:18:46 <Jerub> tv show produced by our the abc. 01:29:48 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7722D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 01:30:27 <Caemyr> [01:27:24] <alex_> quadcore could be telsa 01:30:29 <Caemyr> Tesla:) 01:30:34 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75AED.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:39:05 *** BamBam [~bambam@p5B047681.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 01:40:17 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl7-180-89.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:41:58 *** alex_ [~alexalex@87-194-40-162.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:49:48 <Jerub> The Chaser specialises in being politically incorrecr. 01:54:45 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-180-89.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 01:55:42 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:25:02 *** iPandaMojo [~panda@c-67-183-223-161.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: iPandaMojo] 02:33:13 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:45:39 *** DeGhosty [~c4command@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 02:45:54 <DeGhosty> I LOVE THE NEW AUTO SIGNAL!!! 02:45:58 *** DeGhosty [~c4command@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #openttd [] 02:47:38 <Eddi|zuHause> of course you do... 02:49:42 <Digitalfox> Theres some crazy people in this world!!! :\ 02:52:30 <benc_> though it's refreshing when they're ranting about good openttd features as opposed to viagra ads 03:55:40 *** Gekko [~Brendan@CPE-124-183-85-6.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 03:56:31 *** ufoun [~ty@85.207.18.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:58:20 <Smoovious> didn't know ottd came with viagra ads... easter egg? :P 04:33:36 <Gekko> what? 04:33:46 <Gekko> I was thinking "type where?" 04:33:49 <Gekko> but i ended up writing what 04:33:52 <Gekko> how fucking weird 04:35:49 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-182-130.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 04:40:02 *** Digitalfox_ [~chatzilla@bl7-182-93.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 04:41:06 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-147-191.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:41:27 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 04:44:33 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-180-89.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:44:44 *** Digitalfox_ is now known as Digitalfox 05:38:20 *** benc_ [~benc_@va-71-53-204-176.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:59:11 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5acb49ee.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:08:25 *** Gekko [~Brendan@CPE-124-183-85-6.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 06:45:02 *** iPandaMojo [~panda@c-67-183-223-161.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 07:20:53 *** sartsj [~thasarge@g133023.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:23:48 *** iPandaMojo [~panda@c-67-183-223-161.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: iPandaMojo] 07:25:04 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 07:30:39 *** Osai^zZz is now known as Osai 07:46:36 *** Gekko [~Brendan@CPE-124-183-85-6.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:52:01 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489C3B0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:04:44 *** balli [~balli@dsl-149-96-155.hive.is] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:28:00 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064017.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:28:02 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064017.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:30:13 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064017.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:31:09 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064017.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:32:22 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B839BC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:33:54 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B8146C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:37:48 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064017.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:39:58 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host240-236-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 08:40:13 <Wolf01> hello 08:40:32 *** orudge [~orudge@91.84.56.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:40:45 <Noldo> hello 08:41:42 *** Chris82 [~chris@p579E1179.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:41:46 <Chris82> hi :) 08:41:56 <Chris82> is MP_UNMOVABLE the variable for a piece of land that you bought? 08:43:33 *** orudge [~orudge@91.84.56.243] has joined #openttd 08:43:34 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 08:46:22 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57A0FB4C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:46:36 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064017.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:46:38 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064017.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:48:15 <peter1138> Chris82: er, that is not a variable 08:52:00 *** sartsj [~thasarge@g133023.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 08:57:55 <Chris82> yeah I mean name of the tile or however it is called 08:57:59 <Chris82> whatever* 08:58:03 <Smoovious> o/ 08:58:13 <peter1138> type 08:58:19 <Smoovious> wave 08:58:24 <Smoovious> :P 08:58:27 <Chris82> like MP_HOUSE is a house, but what is an owned tile? 08:58:41 <peter1138> unmovable, yes 08:58:45 <Chris82> ah good :) 09:00:17 *** TinoM|Mobil [~tino@i5387C119.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 09:02:04 <Smoovious> Chris82... did you have any issues adding my subsidies patch? 09:03:02 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 09:05:50 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 09:11:44 <Rubidium> but not all unmovable tiles are "owned" tiles 09:15:52 <Chris82> Smoovious: Nope was all fine 09:16:26 <Chris82> Rubidium: Well these antennas are probably unmovable as well? but you can't demolish them anyway 09:17:40 <Smoovious> :) 09:21:22 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:25:59 <Chris82> hmmm when building on cleared landscape CmdLandscapeClear is obviously not called? 09:26:03 <Chris82> that's a problem :D 09:26:26 <Chris82> when I build on cleared landscape the close to city increased construction prices are not calculated 09:26:34 <Chris82> but when selling the tile it is 09:26:51 <Chris82> so buy quickly building, selling, building... you can make a lot of money as long as no grass grows on the tile :D 09:27:14 <Smoovious> btw, Chris... I tried to use your server, briefly, before starting my own... tthe increase production costs near towns... think it goes way too high... couldn't even complete a single rail line with my startup money... game was in mid 1950's at the time 09:27:55 <Chris82> I am tweaking that patch right now 09:28:12 <Chris82> also with the current inflation of 3-5% prices will go up very quickly yeah 09:28:26 <Chris82> meaning a coal line is the best start 09:28:57 <Smoovious> is the increased contruction costs, relative to the population of the town? 09:29:06 *** smoovi [~smoovi@dslb-088-073-093-235.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 09:29:17 <Smoovious> yeah, tried... couldn't finish laying track 09:29:41 <Smoovious> just going 5 squares through farmland cost me 0,000 09:29:53 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10474 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#995]: wrong group count after train crash. 09:30:07 <Chris82> hmmm but in building on farmland is really expensive with inflation on even without the patch 09:30:15 <Chris82> -in 09:30:49 <Chris82> I just tweak the patch so distance plays a lower role 09:30:55 <Smoovious> yeah, but it shouldn't be _that_ expensive 09:31:07 <Chris82> i.e. 25 tiles away from a city you won't notice it anymore 09:31:40 <Smoovious> does it also take town population into account? a small town of 200 shouldn't have as much impact on costs, as a city of 10,000, for instance 09:32:44 <Chris82> a town smaller than 400 has no impact 09:33:05 <Chris82> and a town <1000 has very little impact 09:34:01 <Chris82> I just try to fix this clear land problem also 09:35:01 <Chris82> either I make building on clear land expensive (easy to do) or when selling something that's been built on clear land it doesn't give you as much money (difficult to do I could imagine) 09:35:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10475 /trunk/src/group_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#996]: some wrong comments for a few of the (vehicle) group related actions. 09:36:07 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6174.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 09:36:10 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6174.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:36:11 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6174.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 09:36:13 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6174.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:37:43 <Smoovious> why worry about it at all... part of building on uncleared land, is the cost for bulldozing and preparinig the land... if you've b ulldozed in a seperate step, and build before it starts growing back in, you've already paid it 09:38:13 <Chris82> yeah but the problem is, when building in the city center on green land you pay e.g. 20k 09:38:18 <Chris82> then you sell it for 5k 09:38:27 <Chris82> quickly build it again for only 1k since the land is clear 09:38:35 <Chris82> and when you sell it again you get 5k = 4k profit 09:38:50 <Chris82> and you can do that a dozen times in 10 seconds making you 48k profit 09:38:55 <Chris82> that's a bug 09:39:02 <Smoovious> ok, well, different issue then 09:39:34 <Chris82> after 100 years due to inflation and bigger cities you'll definitely make profit when selling land, but that's fine 09:40:03 <Smoovious> that's the real estate market 09:41:51 <Chris82> or maybe demolishing bought land and railway should return green land instead of brown (cleared land) 09:42:15 <Chris82> that'd be the easiest solution but it would look stupid 09:45:50 <Chris82> btw... after watching Inconvinient Truth yesterday for the 3rd or 4th time :D I had the idea to add desert to temperate climate as an effect of global warming when you have too many "dirty" vehicles (diesel engines, planes) on the map :D 09:46:26 <Chris82> and the bad thing about desert would be that trains can only drive through it at very low speeds and track maintenance cost is higher etc. 09:47:20 <Gekko> lol 09:47:23 <Gekko> how would you implement that 09:47:29 <Gekko> and why would you bother 09:48:49 <Chris82> well making desert possible in temperate climate surely isn't that big of an issue, there's a snow patch already 09:48:50 <Smoovious> and why would trains go slower? here in the US, they go full-bore, more than anywhere else... less population 09:49:25 <Chris82> well it's not really desert in the US where trains have tracks or are there tracks in death valley? 09:50:07 <Smoovious> yes, it is really desert... we got a whole handfull of states full of desert 09:50:32 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Solong, and thanks for all the fish.] 09:50:38 <Gekko> desert sands wouldnt hold the tracks 09:50:41 <Gekko> it's not real desert. 09:51:09 <Smoovious> that doesn't mean it isn't real desert... it is just a different kind of desert 09:51:33 <Smoovious> just cuz our desert's base is dried clay instead of sand, doesn't make it any less 'real' 09:51:40 <Chris82> hmmm ok but I still I would think track maintenance is more expensive there 09:51:43 <Rubidium> like the north and southpole are also deserts (it rains/snows less than x mm per year) 09:52:00 <Chris82> I know ice deserts 09:52:03 <Rubidium> Chris82: it's probably less 09:52:22 <Chris82> hmmm but doesn't sand hurt the metal? 09:52:23 <Rubidium> it's hard as concrete and you wouldn't have weeds 09:52:28 <Smoovious> only insofar as the work crews generally would have further to go to get there... other than that, no more expensive than anywhere else 09:52:41 <Rubidium> and when it's a rock desert there's no that much sand 09:52:53 <Rubidium> I guess water erodes tracks quicker than a rock desert 09:53:12 <Chris82> hmmm ok then I was thinking of the wrong negative effect maybe 09:53:17 <Smoovious> and rocks don't rust either 09:53:26 <Chris82> eventually city shrinking would be a better effect of desert 09:53:59 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 09:54:08 <Rubidium> Chris82: why would those cities shrink? 09:54:12 <Smoovious> personally, I'd just stay away from that kind of thing... if we wanted to play in desert, we got a desert scenario 09:54:30 <Smoovious> yeah... Las Vegas is in a desert, and just won't stop growing 09:54:45 <Smoovious> El Paso is in desert too 09:54:49 <Smoovious> pretty big 09:55:39 <Chris82> hmmm ok 09:56:03 <Smoovious> maybe have the cities becoming desert areas, have a much higher ratio of casinos 09:56:06 <Smoovious> and whore houses 09:56:33 <Chris82> whore houses? 09:56:38 <Smoovious> brothelss 09:56:40 <Smoovious> -s 09:56:40 <Chris82> I know what you mean but is it really called that way 09:56:51 <Smoovious> depends on who you talk to 09:57:16 <Smoovious> we're a mellting pot over here you see... no matter what you're referring to, there are at least a dozen ways to refer to them 09:57:53 <Chris82> Rubidium: Autoreplace already knows that and can keep the train length (almost) equal when you replace short wagons with long wagons. < how? 09:57:57 <Chris82> that doesn't work for me 09:58:39 <Rubidium> right corner -> wagon removal 09:59:15 <Chris82> ohhh I thought that would just remove all waggons from the train 10:00:06 *** alex_ [~alexalex@87-194-40-162.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:09:55 <Chris82> can I make grass grow quicker after a tile has been demolished somehow? 10:10:05 <Chris82> like make it grow after 2 seconds already 10:10:31 <elmz> plant a tree ;) 10:11:20 <Chris82> :p without player action I meant 10:11:32 <elmz> hehe 10:19:21 *** Gekko [~Brendan@CPE-124-183-85-6.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 10:19:51 *** Chris82 [~chris@p579E1179.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: studying] 10:20:14 *** sartsjie [~thasarge@g133023.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 10:25:17 *** alex_ [~alexalex@87-194-40-162.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:28:02 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:39:09 *** roboboy [~Leo@souax5-062.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:39:34 *** roboboy [~Leo@souax5-062.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has left #openttd [] 10:40:05 *** alex_ [~alexalex@87-194-40-162.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:43:58 *** TinoM|Mobil [~tino@i5387C119.versanet.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:48:42 *** Nigel_ is now known as Nigel 10:53:13 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Solong, and thanks for all the fish.] 10:54:33 <Eddi|zuHause> <Chris82> like make it grow after 2 seconds already <- grass growing is somewhere in the tileloop, you can try to skip the intermediate states 10:56:23 *** alex_ [~alexalex@87-194-40-162.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:57:42 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 10:59:01 *** Taikaponi [~Zavior@217.152.122.2] has joined #openttd 10:59:01 *** Zavior [~Zavior@217.152.122.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:59:05 *** Zavior [~Zavior@217.152.122.2] has joined #openttd 11:00:51 <Smoovious> that'd just be a dirty hack tho... the real problem would still need to be fixed 11:00:52 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@pc90.host7.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: The pedestrian had no idea which way to run, so I ran over him.] 11:04:14 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C119.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 11:06:35 <Eddi|zuHause> what "real" problem? 11:07:40 *** Darkebie [~dkb@d5153D5CD.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: VIP Gill ;D] 11:11:26 <Smoovious> 2007-07-08 05:37:42 UAC-5 | <Chris82> yeah but the problem is, when building in the city center on green land you pay e.g. 20k 11:11:26 <Smoovious> 2007-07-08 05:37:48 UAC-5 | <Chris82> then you sell it for 5k 11:11:26 <Smoovious> 2007-07-08 05:37:57 UAC-5 | <Chris82> quickly build it again for only 1k since the land is clear 11:11:26 <Smoovious> 2007-07-08 05:38:05 UAC-5 | <Chris82> and when you sell it again you get 5k = 4k profit 11:12:57 <Smoovious> it is a patch he's using to make land more expensive closer to cities (as well as population size)... and building on bulldozed land, isn't reflecting it 11:14:58 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, because the cost i for bulldozing the land... 11:15:07 *** EQYNoX [~eqynox@e179074202.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:15:12 <EQYNoX> hi 11:15:18 <Eddi|zuHause> if the land is already bulldozed, costs are not changed 11:15:19 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@pc90.host7.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 11:15:56 <Eddi|zuHause> the "problem" is just the increased "cost" for bulldozing own stuff 11:16:18 <Smoovious> yeah, I allready mentioned that 11:16:54 <Smoovious> still tho... shouldn't be able to sell for more than you built for 11:17:20 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, because he should not modify that cost at all 11:18:20 <Eddi|zuHause> "case MP_UNMOVABLE: case MP_RAIL: break;" 11:19:11 <Eddi|zuHause> otherwise he will always get that kind of side effect 11:19:12 <Smoovious> um... is that an agree, or disagree... 11:19:15 <EQYNoX> dint kown what i`m doing wrong but i tried with r7082 0.5.3-rc2 r9885 and r10466 but i can not use the extra dynamite , when its enabled in the patch menu , always when i try to bulldoze and industrie it says "it cant , because coalmine or what ever is in the way" what the hell am i doing wrong ? 11:20:00 <Smoovious> extra dynamite? 11:20:09 <Smoovious> like, in the cheat menu? 11:20:09 <Rubidium> that patch option only makes you remove a little more roads and town buildings 11:20:13 <Eddi|zuHause> EQYNoX: "extra dynamite" only allows to remove roads in cities afaik 11:20:22 <EQYNoX> oh 11:20:49 <Rubidium> in the "cheat" menu there's a magic bulldozer that makes everyone bulldoze everything (as long as there are no vehicles) 11:20:57 <EQYNoX> hm , there is no way other then the cheat menu to bulldoze industry ? 11:22:44 <EQYNoX> but i cant use the cheat menu for multiplayer so i cant use use the magic bulldozer 11:23:08 <EQYNoX> -use 11:23:10 <EQYNoX> :) 11:23:44 <Eddi|zuHause> in that case, you have to wait for the industry to close 11:24:14 <sartsjie> why do you want to bulldoze an industry 11:24:54 <EQYNoX> because i need space :) 11:26:44 <EQYNoX> i have a big train station and dont want to build arround the industie all the time 11:27:21 <sartsjie> is there documentation somewhere on how to query a openttd server for stats? 11:29:33 <Rubidium> depends on the type of stats 11:31:32 *** Zavior [~Zavior@217.152.122.2] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 11:31:35 <sartsjie> stats about the running game 11:31:56 <sartsjie> connected clients, companie stats 11:32:00 <sartsjie> *company 11:37:54 <Rubidium> that isn't documented that good 11:38:13 <Rubidium> but you could take a look at OpenTTDlib or something named similarly on the forum 11:40:09 *** Darkebie [~dkb@d5153D5CD.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 11:43:37 <sartsjie> ok thanks 11:46:34 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:03:37 *** zerofool2005 [~zerofool@cpc3-bolt5-0-0-cust816.manc.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 12:08:56 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75AED.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:09:24 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FC9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:11:30 *** MarkMc [~hestporr@h212n1fls301o1036.telia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:13:05 *** c20h25n3o [qaz@91.145.214.136] has joined #openttd 12:17:58 *** zerofool2005 [~zerofool@cpc3-bolt5-0-0-cust816.manc.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 12:19:10 *** alex_ [~alexalex@87.194.40.162] has joined #openttd 12:27:14 <SmatZ> I do not understand one thing about profiling - when I run game with profiling enabled for 40 seconds, the gprof utility gives me only 7.5 seconds spent in ttd_main() and its children 12:27:44 <SmatZ> where are spent other 32 seconds, while not under ttd_main() ? 12:27:54 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5F04.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:27:58 <Smoovious> try it with fast-forward enabledd 12:28:08 <SmatZ> in the system renderer and libraries, that are not compiled with profiling enabled? 12:28:16 <SmatZ> I run with fast forward - 12:28:29 <SmatZ> real 0m39.425s 12:28:29 <SmatZ> user 0m37.200s 12:28:37 <Smoovious> dunno then 12:28:42 <SmatZ> 7.46 ttd_main(int, char**) [1] 12:28:44 <SmatZ> :-( 12:29:03 <SmatZ> thanks anyway :) 12:29:06 <peter1138> do it with -v null 12:30:47 <peter1138> and -s null -m null 12:31:00 <peter1138> unless you're profiling output stuff, heh 12:32:22 <SmatZ> peter1138: with -v null , http://paste.openttd.org/164 12:33:01 <SmatZ> with -s null -m null this is the same :) 12:33:23 <SmatZ> some time is spent while loading binary... 12:33:37 <SmatZ> how can I test the game without video output? 12:35:19 <Rubidium> SmatZ: the profiling itself takes time too 12:36:03 <alex_> im trying to compile a list of good sysadmin commands on *nix - ive come up with so far: free, ps aux, uptime, and df - what else would there be? 12:36:11 <alex_> anything else im missing thats good? 12:36:17 <Rubidium> du 12:36:22 <alex_> ahh du 12:36:25 <alex_> anything else 12:36:29 <Rubidium> ls :) 12:36:32 <Rubidium> rm 12:36:34 <Rubidium> mv 12:36:35 <alex_> nono 12:36:41 <alex_> for sysadmin monitoring 12:36:56 <Rubidium> tail 12:37:05 <alex_> like, ill explain 12:37:17 <alex_> ill be creating scripts in perl to monitor these lifesigns 12:37:19 <alex_> of the server 12:37:28 <sartsjie> uname ? 12:37:28 <alex_> and itll warn me if something is wrong wtc 12:37:30 <alex_> etc* 12:37:36 <alex_> yes, thing like uname 12:37:45 <alex_> uname is good, at least it wouldnt change much 12:37:56 <alex_> would give me the time :) 12:37:58 <alex_> anything else 12:38:02 <sartsjie> gotta list kernel version! 12:38:10 <alex_> like free, ps aux, uptime, df, uname -a?\ 12:38:21 <alex_> anything that would help monitor a machine 12:38:29 <sartsjie> who ? 12:38:34 <SmatZ> Rubidium: it sure does - but the time spent in ttd_main() and its children is only 1/5 of the total time spent ... seems strange for me, that is all :) 12:39:12 <alex_> sartsjie: yeap who is good 12:39:21 <alex_> like free, ps aux, uptime, df, uname -a, who .... 12:39:22 <Rubidium> tail /var/log/auth.log | grep 'fail' 12:39:24 <alex_> what else 12:39:28 <alex_> excellent 12:39:32 <alex_> now we are thinking 12:39:49 <alex_> i would grep all the logs 12:39:56 <alex_> for signs of trouble... thats good 12:40:00 <alex_> lots of work, but good 12:40:10 <Rubidium> could use logcheck too 12:40:41 <Rubidium> iostat 12:40:55 <alex_> anyone sue bigbrother? 12:40:57 <alex_> use* 12:41:28 <Rubidium> smartmontools 12:42:13 <alex_> yeah but can it use SOAP? 12:42:18 <alex_> or API's? 12:42:28 <Rubidium> just write a wrapper 12:42:29 <alex_> cause im having to do this on over 60 clients :) 12:42:34 <alex_> yeah.... 12:44:11 <skidd13> Is the z-order bug with bridge over tunnel known? 12:45:56 <SmatZ> skidd13: actually, there are many z-order problems :-( 12:46:51 <skidd13> Ahh. Shall I post it to FS? 12:47:48 <Rubidium> skidd13: just make a comment in FS#119 12:53:15 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75AED.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:54:31 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-140-206-70.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 12:54:40 *** alex_ [~alexalex@87.194.40.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:57:41 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5F04.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 13:03:17 *** glx [~glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:03:19 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:07:00 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75AED.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:07:51 *** alex_ [~alexalex@87-194-40-162.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:10:17 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-160-16.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 13:10:44 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-160-16.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 13:11:01 <alex_> how do you get like welcoming messages when peolpe join the server? 13:11:06 <alex_> is that a cfg option? 13:11:11 <alex_> or a mod? 13:11:18 <glx> it's a .scr 13:15:09 <alex_> any tips on implementing it? 13:17:51 <peter1138> top - 14:17:19 up 5:09, 5 users, load average: 420.47, 145.27, 52.62 13:17:54 <peter1138> :o 13:17:59 <alex_> lol! 13:18:02 <glx> alex_: check scripts/readme.txt 13:18:23 <alex_> peter1138: might want to install those 400+ CPU's you were going to do 13:19:00 <Gekko[PDA]> how do those loads work 13:19:09 <Gekko[PDA]> what are they showing 13:21:06 <Rubidium> the amount of "slices" an application must wait till it gets another "slice" of CPU (or something like that) 13:21:44 <Gekko[PDA]> lol 13:21:51 <Gekko[PDA]> obese apps 13:22:03 <Gekko[PDA]> 400 pieces of cake 13:22:09 <Gekko[PDA]> choc mud 13:24:42 <alex_> load averages over tmie 13:24:52 <alex_> first one is like 5 mins, second 10 then 15mins 13:24:56 <alex_> from memory 13:25:06 <alex_> 1.00 is 100% cpu 13:25:10 <alex_> .50 is 50% cpu 13:25:16 <alex_> he has 420.47 13:25:28 <alex_> meaning that his processes need 420 of his cpu's 13:25:30 <Gekko[PDA]> he got owned 13:25:39 <Gekko[PDA]> lol 13:26:10 <Rubidium> alex_: a load average is basically the amount of time slices an application must wait till it's next time slice 13:26:27 <alex_> right 13:27:03 <alex_> i thought of it as cpu usage 13:27:07 <alex_> not time waiting 13:27:24 <alex_> i guess it measures both 13:27:29 <alex_> <glx> alex_: check scripts/readme.txt 13:27:36 <alex_> where can i find this direcotry? 13:28:07 <Rubidium> alongside the data directory 13:28:28 <glx> hm it's not in the installer it seems 13:29:15 <alex_> anyone got a messgae script they could copy+paste to me that i could work with? 13:29:36 <alex_> so that when users enter the server they would see a welcome message etc :) 13:32:50 *** Chicago_R_A [~anonymous@c-76-16-92-179.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 13:34:03 <alex_> or maybe point me in the right direction on where i can find how to do it? 13:34:10 <alex_> would it be in a dev release? 13:37:09 <alex_> hmm 13:39:26 <alex_> + 13:39:44 *** Chicago_R_A [~anonymous@c-76-16-92-179.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [] 13:40:23 <glx> it is in source package 13:40:40 <alex_> i should just be able to copy it right? 13:40:46 <glx> yes 13:40:46 <alex_> no need to recompile? 13:40:48 <alex_> thanks 13:41:11 <alex_> and i stick it into : /usr/share/games/openttd? 13:41:14 <alex_> or in the data dir? 13:41:25 <glx> same level as data 13:41:25 <Gekko[PDA]> lol debian 13:41:38 <alex_> Gekko[PDA]: debian? 13:41:58 <Gekko[PDA]> i already said lol 13:41:59 *** Nickman [~nn@d54C1C327.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 13:42:03 <Gekko[PDA]> >.> 13:42:08 <alex_> .. whats wrong with debian? 13:42:24 <Gekko[PDA]> lol debian 13:42:31 <alex_> ban 13:42:32 <alex_> him 13:42:39 <Gekko[PDA]> lol. 13:42:47 <Rubidium> @kick Gekko[PDA] lol 13:42:47 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: Error: Gekko is not in #openttd. 13:42:53 <Rubidium> stupid bot 13:42:56 <Noldo> :) 13:43:02 <Noldo> alex_: just ignore him 13:43:11 <glx> Rubidium: try Gekko* 13:44:22 <alex_> @kick Gekko* . 13:44:23 <DorpsGek> alex_: Error: Gekko* is not in #openttd. 13:44:36 <Gekko[PDA]> lkl? 13:44:43 <alex_> @kick "Gekko[PDA] . 13:44:43 <DorpsGek> alex_: Error: No closing quotation 13:44:44 <Gekko[PDA]> lol.? 13:44:46 <alex_> @kick "Gekko[PDA]" . 13:44:53 <Gekko[PDA]> lol. 13:45:01 <glx> alex_: but the bot doesn't know you 13:45:08 <alex_> it should 13:45:11 <alex_> i give good secks 13:45:19 <Gekko[PDA]> ban him. 13:45:23 <Gekko[PDA]> lol! 13:45:49 <glx> at least with quotes it's ok (as it doesn't give error) 13:49:14 <Gekko[PDA]> hmm wheres chris82 13:49:46 <Sacro> yapf_costbase.hpp, line 1 13:52:57 <Sacro> *13 has a spelling mistake 13:52:57 <Sacro> line 14 even 13:52:57 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:53:18 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:53:36 <hylje> Sacro: you could be subtle and fix that spelling mistake in a diff :> 13:54:05 <Sacro> hylje: that i could 13:54:16 <Sacro> can't i just submit a sed command? 13:54:16 <alex_> hmmmm 13:54:28 <hylje> run the sed and send the diff 13:54:29 <alex_> so for a welcoming message when you join the server 13:54:36 <alex_> you would put that in on_clients.scr? 13:57:15 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 13:58:42 <alex_> hmm for some reason my server is ignoring on_clients.scr so no MOTD is being displayed when clients join my server 13:58:50 <alex_> peter1138: can you shed some light on how to enable this? 13:58:58 <alex_> or anyone? 13:59:51 <peter1138> yeah 13:59:56 <peter1138> use the right script :) 14:00:01 <alex_> ah... lol 14:00:04 <alex_> which one boss? 14:00:17 <peter1138> on_server_connect.scr 14:00:31 <alex_> i have to create it? 14:00:31 <alex_> ok 14:01:45 <alex_> debian:/usr/share/games/openttd/scripts# ls -l on_server_connect.scr 14:01:45 <alex_> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 36 2007-07-08 16:01 on_server_connect.scr 14:01:57 <alex_> peter1138: this path and filename look good? 14:02:08 <alex_> inside im putting a simple: echo "hello, world" 14:02:13 <alex_> and nothing comes up when i join the server =/ 14:02:25 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Solong, and thanks for all the fish.] 14:02:29 <peter1138> for 0.5.x,yeah 14:02:46 <alex_> oh? 14:03:02 *** nairan_work [~Maui_key@p5498F471.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:03:06 <alex_> so i need to do? 14:03:11 <alex_> upgrade to a RC? 14:03:11 <peter1138> try "say" 14:03:13 <peter1138> not echo 14:03:16 <alex_> ok 14:03:39 <alex_> say "hello, world!!!!!!!" 14:03:42 <alex_> ..... 5secs 14:04:12 <alex_> nope 14:04:15 <alex_> still nothing ... hmmm 14:05:12 <sartsjie> argh 14:05:22 <alex_> ive even tried: say hello 14:05:25 <sartsjie> i build a station 1 tile next to a refinery, but it wont accept oil 14:05:27 <alex_> stil nothing... is there logs? :D 14:05:42 <Rubidium> sartsjie: not all tiles of the refinery accept oil 14:06:02 <sartsjie> hmm 14:06:04 <sartsjie> i didnt know that 14:06:33 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 14:07:11 <sartsjie> i built on the side where the tanks are 14:07:11 <Rubidium> alex_: on_connect.scr using say? 14:07:18 <sartsjie> i guess thats a bad side of the refinery then? 14:08:29 <alex_> hmmm 14:11:00 <alex_> peter1138: told me to use on_server_connect.scr 14:11:44 <Rubidium> the files are called on_connect.scr though (in the scripts directory) 14:11:44 <alex_> nope 14:11:51 <alex_> on_connect.scr doesnt work either 14:12:19 <Rubidium> where did you put it? 14:12:31 <alex_> ./usr/share/games/openttd/scripts 14:12:40 <peter1138> i'd use on_server_connect.scr if you want it to run when a client joins 14:12:56 <alex_> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 54 2007-07-08 16:05 on_server_connect.scr 14:13:34 <alex_> debian:/usr/share/games/openttd/scripts# tail on_server_connect.scr 14:13:34 <alex_> say hello 14:13:34 <alex_> say ihefiwopefnpf 14:13:40 <alex_> doesnt work =. 14:13:41 <alex_> =/ 14:13:45 <Rubidium> hmm, if you start openttd dedicated, and do a ls, where are you at that moment? 14:14:02 <alex_> screen -t openttd-mass /usr/games/openttd -D -c /root/.openttd/openttd4.cfg 14:14:06 <alex_> i use exact paths 14:15:18 <alex_> that a problem? 14:15:58 <glx> server started as root? 14:16:03 <alex_> yes 14:16:21 <glx> bad idea 14:16:25 <alex_> i know 14:16:33 <alex_> ill fix that up later 14:16:34 <Gekko[PDA]> cookies and ce 14:17:22 <alex_> everyone stumped on this? 14:17:35 <alex_> on_server_connect.scr is correct.... 14:18:00 <alex_> its in /usr/share/games/openttd/scripts 14:18:05 <Rubidium> well, it gives me the feeling the scripts directory is in the wrong location 14:18:08 <alex_> do i need to change som cfg settings? 14:18:11 <Rubidium> but I don't know the right location either 14:18:20 <alex_> peter1138: do i have it in the right location? 14:18:56 <Rubidium> my "money" is on the directory where the binary is in 14:19:08 <alex_> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=30489&highlight=onclient+scr 14:19:18 <alex_> someone else has the same problem in this thread 14:20:25 <alex_> should i just use "autopilot?" 14:22:20 <Rubidium> alex_: the problem is that the debian package is screwing with paths all over the place and nobody ever tested where the scripts should've been placed 14:23:25 *** Chicago_R_A [~anonymous@c-76-16-92-179.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 14:23:31 <Rubidium> as I said, the scripts directory should probably be in the directory where the binary is in 14:23:36 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10476 /trunk/src/newgrf_callbacks.h: -Fix: some newgrf callbacks were already implemented even though the comment said they were not. 14:27:05 <alex_> ruight 14:27:08 <alex_> autopilot works :) 14:27:16 <alex_> excellente 14:30:10 <sartsjie> autopilot? 14:31:07 <alex_> sartsj: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=22846&highlight=motd 14:31:16 <alex_> uses the expect program :) 14:31:21 <alex_> work well 14:31:26 <alex_> and i can develop ontop of it too 14:32:00 <sartsjie> ah 14:32:01 <sartsjie> nice 14:33:08 <alex_> ahh fuck 14:33:11 <alex_> its really buggy 14:33:14 <Gekko[PDA]> lol 14:33:20 *** Nickman is now known as Nickman^Away 14:33:25 <alex_> it spams the wecloming message mutliple times 14:33:28 <alex_> when people join 14:34:56 *** Maedhros [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has joined #openttd 14:35:24 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-224-82.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:35:29 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-224-82.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 14:36:19 *** iPandaMojo [~panda@c-67-183-223-161.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 14:36:22 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:40:50 *** benc_ [~benc_@va-71-53-204-176.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #openttd 14:41:32 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:41:32 *** alex_ [~alexalex@87-194-40-162.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:43:09 <Smoovious> that's to make sure they've seen it. :) 14:43:50 <SpComb> Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd ) 14:43:50 <benc_> !logs 14:45:57 <benc_> 00:12:15 < NukeBuster> what's with doxygen? 14:46:03 <benc_> (jul 6) 14:46:19 <benc_> doxygen looks like its gone belly-up 14:46:27 <benc_> http://docs.openttd.org 14:47:22 *** EQYNoX [~eqynox@e179074202.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:48:20 *** alex_ [~alexalex@87-194-40-162.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:48:27 <alex_> hmmmmmmm 14:48:29 <alex_> nuts 14:48:33 <alex_> autopilot is bugged 14:52:47 <Rubidium> benc_: again... 14:53:46 <Rubidium> probably something not having enough free diskspace of so I guess 14:56:26 <alex_> woot 14:56:30 <alex_> i hacked a fix 14:56:31 <sartsjie> question 14:56:36 <alex_> 31337 14:56:41 <sartsjie> do depots act as a presignal or a normal signal? 14:56:47 <hylje> pre 14:56:51 <sartsjie> meh 14:57:27 <sartsjie> kinda beats the purpose of putting a depot at the entrance of a terminus station, even though it is a nasty solution anyway 14:57:41 <Maedhros> i think it depends on whether it's in a presignal block or not 14:58:01 <sartsjie> because full loaded trains cant leave the depot to exit the station because both tracks are full, even though the exit is free 14:58:37 *** lolman_ [~John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 15:00:18 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A521D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:04:12 <skidd13> I'm reading in src/strings.cpp ATM. Is there a reason why in FormatCommaNumber divisor is querried three times. IMO either reuse the querried var or drop it. 15:06:13 *** lolman [~John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:09:55 *** alex_ [~alexalex@87-194-40-162.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:11:11 *** benc_ [~benc_@va-71-53-204-176.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has left #openttd [] 15:11:17 *** benc_ [~benc_@va-71-53-204-176.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #openttd 15:11:27 <Rubidium> skidd13: probably not 15:12:31 <skidd13> It looks a bit wired in my eyes... Just trying to get an impression how the number handling works. 15:12:46 *** alex_ [~alexalex@87-194-40-162.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:12:49 <alex_> what is net_frame_freq 2 15:12:50 <alex_> ? 15:12:50 <ln-> wired? 15:13:39 <skidd13> weird! sorry fingers are fater than brain ;) 15:13:46 <skidd13> damn.... faster 15:15:42 <alex_> lol 15:15:45 <alex_> fat fingers? :D 15:16:11 <alex_> anyone have any clue what net_fram_freq does? 15:16:16 <alex_> frame* 15:16:17 <Smoovious> alex_: it is the amount of frames before a command will be (visibly) executed. Default value: 1 15:16:20 <Smoovious> in other words 15:16:30 <Smoovious> "help net_frame_freq" in the status window 15:24:51 <alex_> ta 15:30:14 *** MarkMc [~hestporr@h51n6c1o1114.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #openttd 15:34:30 * Sacro ponders making an OpenTTD livecd 15:35:59 <Wolf01> but make it multiplatform 15:37:35 <Sacro> you mean x86, ppc, arm... all on one? 15:38:02 <Wolf01> yes 15:41:24 *** alex_ [~alexalex@87-194-40-162.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:50:04 <ln-> does someone have an arm-based computer that boots from cd? 15:51:11 *** alex_ [~alexalex@87-194-40-162.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:51:19 <alex_> can you have more than 10 clients? 15:51:23 <alex_> on one server ? :D 15:54:20 <Smoovious> no 15:55:53 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:59:17 *** Digitalfox_ [~Digitalfo@bl7-182-93.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 15:59:25 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0FF39.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:59:37 <alex_> nuts 15:59:44 <alex_> Brianetta: you make autopilot? 16:02:31 <Sacro> http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?do_Details=1&ID=11974 :D 16:02:41 *** c20h25n3o [qaz@91.145.214.136] has quit [Quit: .] 16:03:12 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57A0FB4C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:07:24 <benc_> Sacro: r10000 was a nice milestone, but why base your livecd off of it? :D 16:07:43 <Sacro> benc_: no, thats my PKGBUILD for building svn packages 16:08:14 <Sacro> so at 18:00, i can have it automatically build a nightly, and install it using my package manager 16:08:24 <Sacro> and not have loose files laying around 16:08:24 <benc_> so it's a placeholder? 16:08:33 <Sacro> err... 16:08:44 <Sacro> its the same as an rpm spec file 16:09:08 <benc_> ah, okay 16:09:34 <benc_> sorry, i spend most of my time on windows these days 16:09:40 <benc_> do like a good livecd though 16:09:48 <Sacro> however, its set so it doesn't overwite openttd 16:09:59 <Sacro> so i have /usr/share/openttd and /usr/share/openttd-svn 16:11:50 *** alex_ [~alexalex@87-194-40-162.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:12:48 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387C119.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:17:04 *** HMage [HMage@hmage.dialup.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 16:20:01 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C119.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:21:23 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-52-93.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:26:40 *** lolman__ [~John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:26:46 *** lolman__ [~John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:28:19 *** lolman [~John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:32:00 <Tefad> i can't find discussion, but i have a four-track layout and i'm trying to keep my presignal blocks from getting clogged 16:32:31 <Tefad> if two presignals are red, when the block becomes free, both trains try to travel down and one ends up clogging the block 16:32:38 <Tefad> (mutliple layered block) 16:32:43 <Tefad> (yes i can't spell) 16:33:18 *** lolman_ [~John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:37:49 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6174.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 16:39:37 <Smoovious> screenshot 16:40:11 *** ufoun [~ty@85.207.18.146] has joined #openttd 16:41:15 *** alex_ [~alexalex@87-194-40-162.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:43:00 <Tefad> ro-ro station. incoming side has two main lines each starts with a regular pre signal (two of them). next i have large X with room for combo signals along the X, so each section of track in the X has a combo signal. at the end of the X i have exit signals. 16:43:25 <Tefad> if the station is full and two trains are waiting 16:43:58 <Tefad> when the first train leaves, both trains attempt to enter the X, then one gets stopped by a combo signal. 16:44:29 <Tefad> i remember seeing this kind of problem before, but i forgot what the solution is 16:46:01 <Smoovious> screenshot 16:46:07 <Tefad> too lazy, sorry. 16:46:19 <Smoovious> not motivated... sorry... 16:46:32 <sartsjie> a picture speaks a thousand words 16:46:32 <Tefad> then we agree this problem isn't important : ) 16:46:43 <Tefad> it's been looked into before 16:46:53 <Tefad> i just forgot what i'm supposed to do 16:48:46 *** iPandaMojo [~panda@c-67-183-223-161.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has left #openttd [] 16:49:41 <alex_> wootr 16:49:50 <alex_> 6 of 20 of my servers up:) 16:50:11 <sartsjie> stupid tcl 16:50:44 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:50:59 <nairan_work> i noticed there are some servers with far lower r nightly 16:51:13 <nairan_work> and 4.7 server 16:51:16 <nairan_work> ) 16:57:52 *** alex_ [~alexalex@87-194-40-162.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:09:57 *** alex_ [~alexalex@87-194-40-162.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:11:22 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6174.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:13:41 <skidd13> since when is bridge over bridge allowed? 17:16:13 <Rubidium> it isn't 17:16:27 <Rubidium> bridge over bridgehead maybe, but bridge over bridge isn't allowed 17:19:17 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has joined #openttd 17:23:28 *** nairan_work [~Maui_key@p5498F471.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 17:23:50 <ln-> http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/kuvat/tmp/liikennevalo.jpg 17:26:47 *** alex_ [~alexalex@87-194-40-162.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:29:08 <Smoovious> wow... someone actually started a network game on version 0.4.0.1 17:31:39 * Sacro trumps that 17:31:40 *** balli [~balli@dsl-149-96-155.hive.is] has joined #openttd 17:31:43 <Sacro> i have 0.1 here 17:32:00 <Sacro> svn co -r 1 :p 17:32:19 <Rubidium> Sacro: that ain't 0.1 by a *long* shot 17:32:31 <Sacro> no, that's true 17:34:36 <Smoovious> alright... fire up a network game... lets see it in the list. :P 17:35:17 <Sacro> my internet is being sucky 17:35:21 * Sacro fires up bind 17:37:36 <skidd13> Rubidium: the old ai builds bridge over bridge :) 17:40:14 <Rubidium> it shouldn't be doing that 17:40:22 <peter1138> savegame? 17:40:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10477 /trunk/src/ (5 files): -Codechange: add some callbacks to customise the acceptance of industries. 17:41:49 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:43:59 <skidd13> sry, experienced that during patch testing... mybe I can reproduce it again. 17:44:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10478 /trunk/src/vehicle.cpp: -Fix [FS#999]: remove the loading indicator when a vehicle is removed. 17:45:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: miham * r10479 /trunk/src/lang/ (15 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 17:45:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-07-08 19:44:48 17:45:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: american - 4 fixed by WhiteRabbit (4) 17:45:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: catalan - 2 fixed by arnaullv (2) 17:45:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: czech - 67 fixed by joeprusa (67) 17:45:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: danish - 6 fixed by ThomasA (6) 17:45:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 2 fixed by webfreakz (2) 17:46:17 *** Nickman^Away is now known as Nickman 17:46:45 *** alex_ [~alexalex@87.194.40.162] has joined #openttd 17:48:21 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-37-154.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 17:54:50 *** alex_ [~alexalex@87.194.40.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:08:27 *** alex_ [~alexalex@87-194-40-162.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:08:50 <Digitalfox_> Ányone here from UK ? 18:09:39 <Maedhros> yes 18:11:16 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:16:52 <skidd13> lighthouses and transmitters under bridges cause invisible bridge parts lol ->scenario editor 18:17:09 <Maedhros> that shouldn't be allowed either 18:17:39 <Maedhros> (the game will crash if you remove the bridge...) 18:23:04 <Rubidium> Maedhros: are you going to fix that or should I do it? 18:24:05 <Maedhros> Rubidium: i'll have a go (unless you've already started :p) 18:24:42 *** alex_ [~alexalex@87-194-40-162.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:25:33 <Rubidium> have fun; probable a "if (MayHaveBridgeAbove(cur_tile) && IsBridgeAbove(cur_tile)) return CMD_ERROR;" somewhere 18:33:11 <Maedhros> hmm. since it's only allowed in the scenario editor it's not done with a command at all 18:33:15 <Maedhros> ah well 18:33:16 *** alex_ [~alexalex@87-194-40-162.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:35:02 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A521D.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 18:35:32 *** tga [~tga@S01060014a5c0c68c.vs.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 18:35:35 <tga> howdy 18:35:39 *** tga is now known as txberiu 18:39:27 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A603D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:40:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: maedhros * r10480 /trunk/src/ (main_gui.cpp unmovable_cmd.cpp): -Fix: Don't allow building lighthouses and transmitters under bridges in the scenario editor, or during world generation. 18:41:20 *** alex_ [~alexalex@87-194-40-162.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:41:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: maedhros * r10481 /trunk/src/industry_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: Show a news message with the new industry when primary industry prospecting succeeds. 18:46:19 *** lolman [~John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:47:43 *** Maedhros_ [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has joined #openttd 18:51:23 *** lolman [~John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:53:37 *** Osai is now known as Osai^city 18:54:43 *** Maedhros [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:57:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10482 /trunk/config.lib: -Fix [FS#990]: Do not override the CFLAGS environment variable when configuring a non-debug makefile. Based on a patch by saggson. 19:02:17 *** RamboRonny [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 19:02:17 *** NW|Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:09:46 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A603D.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 19:24:31 *** orudge [~orudge@91.84.56.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:27:49 *** orudge [~orudge@91.84.56.243] has joined #openttd 19:27:50 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 19:35:26 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-37-154.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 19:36:38 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-37-154.adslplus.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:46:56 *** Maedhros_ is now known as Maedhros 19:47:38 *** HMage [HMage@hmage.dialup.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:52:43 *** kaan [~klaus@82.192.152.195] has joined #openttd 19:52:48 <kaan> hi all 19:54:42 <Wolf01> hi 19:55:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10483 /trunk/src/ (industry_cmd.cpp newgrf_callbacks.h): -Codechange: add support for callbacks to manipulate the building chance of farm fields and chopping chance for lumber mills. 19:55:26 <kaan> nice one Rubidium 19:57:29 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:00:44 *** HMage [HMage@hmage.dialup.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:17:03 *** Anb [~anb@mar92-5-82-226-126-207.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 20:17:49 <Anb> Good morning/afternoon/evening/night everyone :) 20:17:57 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv25.net.upc.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:18:48 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv25.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 20:19:36 <Digitalfox_> Good morning/afternoon/evening/night Anb :) 20:20:52 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387C119.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:24:49 *** Caemyr [Caemyr@82-43-152-123.cable.ubr03.nmal.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [] 20:27:45 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:29:10 *** mikk36[EST] [~mikk36@pc90.host7.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 20:29:21 *** Caemyr [Caemyr@82-43-152-123.cable.ubr03.nmal.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:30:01 *** Caemyr is now known as Guest704 20:31:04 <Wolf01> 'night 20:31:08 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host240-236-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:33:56 *** mikk36 is now known as Guest705 20:33:56 *** mikk36[EST] is now known as mikk36 20:35:36 *** Guest705 [~mikk36@pc90.host7.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:49:10 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:58:06 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:58:33 *** Taikaponi [~Zavior@217.152.122.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:58:33 <Ammller> how is the url for checkout 0.5.2? 20:58:37 *** Osai^city is now known as Osai 20:58:52 <Rubidium> <base_url>/tags/<version> 20:58:55 *** Zavior [~Zavior@217.152.122.2] has joined #openttd 20:59:18 *** Taikaponi [~Zavior@217.152.122.2] has joined #openttd 20:59:25 <Ammller> thx rubidum 20:59:36 <glx> and export is enough 20:59:45 <Ammller> export? 20:59:55 <glx> svn export 21:00:02 <Ammller> what the diff? 21:00:20 <glx> you don't get all .svn stuff 21:00:31 <glx> as it's not needed 21:00:53 <Ammller> svn is only needed, if I would develop? 21:01:28 <glx> checkout is needed if you plan to make a patch against 0.5.2, but it's not recommended 21:02:05 <Ammller> and for using svn up (trunk)? 21:02:21 <glx> for trunk and branches use checkout 21:02:30 <glx> and svn up 21:02:44 <Rubidium> you can't svn up from 0.5.2/whatever branch/tag to trunk 21:03:23 <glx> of course :) 21:03:39 <Ammller> Rubidium: clear, I meant what glx answerd 21:03:56 <Ammller> I miss the websvn 21:04:35 <Ammller> or how can I browse the svn without chekcout? 21:06:13 <Phazorx> hmm.. how many good units are should it be per one primary cargo delivered to factory? 21:06:59 <peter1138> and in english? 21:07:21 <hylje> no 21:07:22 <Phazorx> how many good units generated per one raw cargo at factory? 21:07:31 <hylje> Ammller: svn list 21:07:39 <hylje> 1:1 21:07:46 <Phazorx> hylje: are you sure? 21:07:51 <hylje> i think it has something to do with the rating 21:08:09 <hylje> but ive noted mostly 1:1 results 21:08:30 <Phazorx> i tihnk you are right about rating 21:09:06 <Phazorx> does station recieve only as much share as it's rating for taking that cargo? 21:09:34 <hylje> i think the highest rating station gets it all 21:10:08 <Phazorx> i have only one station and i get about 2:3 ratio for output 21:10:32 <Phazorx> as in if i bring 1000 primary - i get 600-700 output 21:11:08 <Phazorx> and rating is 73% now 21:15:11 *** Taikaponi [~Zavior@217.152.122.2] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 21:16:15 *** lolman [~John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:20:05 *** MarkMc [~hestporr@h51n6c1o1114.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:23:42 <Phazorx> before truck arrival: http://img.cx/e/5920251512/PICCYSNAP.COM_907_c.png 21:24:04 <Phazorx> truck unloaded 20 primary, train laoded 39 secondary: http://img.cx/e/1308091991/PICCYSNAP.COM_739_c.png 21:24:12 *** MarkMc [~hestporr@h51n6c1o1114.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #openttd 21:24:29 <Phazorx> truck unloaded 58 primary, train loaded same 39: http://img.cx/e/1615505964/PICCYSNAP.COM_717_c.png 21:26:21 <Ailure> jesus that truck looks so out of place 21:27:10 <Ailure> well 21:27:40 <Ailure> I think the amount of cargo you get is the same as your rating, though it complicates things a bit if theres severeal statinons sharing a industry 21:28:38 <Phazorx> how complicated? 21:28:52 <Phazorx> will i get more than one per if i have mroe than one station? 21:29:02 <Ailure> No idea 21:29:05 <Ailure> but if you/re lone station 21:29:27 <Ailure> but then 21:29:38 <Ailure> the industry reports how much it brings to station in its window 21:29:38 <Phazorx> thuis is the only station it is same for drop and pickup tho 21:29:55 <Ailure> I meant for pickup 21:30:01 <Ailure> for dropoff it wouldnt matter 21:30:18 <Phazorx> inustry reports how much is on the station ATM 21:31:40 <Phazorx> also industry has no local authority and this station does nto accept goods neithjer 21:31:55 <Phazorx> so it's hard to see where else could goods go aside of in that train 21:34:01 <Phazorx> peter1138, Rubidium any ideas on how it SHOULD behave? 21:34:30 <Ailure> No it dosent 21:34:39 <Ailure> it reports how much it put into the stations in the last month 21:34:40 <Phazorx> huh? 21:34:43 <Ailure> not in total 21:35:06 <Phazorx> you mean industry status then i guess 21:35:38 <Phazorx> then it reports how much it produces 21:35:55 <Phazorx> not how much was dropped at all station and not how much any station got 21:35:59 *** Darkebie [~dkb@d5153D5CD.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: VIP Gill ;D] 21:36:00 <Phazorx> so that number is kidna useless 21:36:27 <Ailure> [23:27] <Phazorx> inustry reports how much is on the station ATM 21:36:29 <Ailure> eh 21:36:31 <Ailure> wait 21:36:36 <Phazorx> station 21:36:41 <Phazorx> sorry i meant station 21:36:47 <Ailure> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Game_Mechanics 21:36:54 <Ailure> and no its not 21:36:57 <Ailure> I found it useful \ 21:37:08 <Ailure> << 21:39:01 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6174.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 21:39:01 <Phazorx> for given issue of figureung out primary/secondary ratio, or for figuring out where cargo goes - it bring no meaning i meant 21:39:09 <Phazorx> overall it is nice to see for big stations 21:39:45 <Phazorx> that page apparently does not touch facroty production? 21:40:23 <peter1138> if you think that number is useless, try finding profitable routes without it 21:40:40 <Ailure> indeed 21:40:41 <Ailure> heh 21:41:56 <Phazorx> okai for GIVEN subject it is not any usefull 21:42:13 <Phazorx> i'm not discussing general industry statistics 21:44:23 <kaan> night all 21:44:25 *** kaan [~klaus@82.192.152.195] has left #openttd [] 21:44:42 <Phazorx> it's plain amazing how people get sidetracked with demagogics on IRC 21:49:43 <peter1138> goodnight 21:49:52 <Phazorx> night 21:50:38 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6174.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:53:19 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:59:04 *** sartsj [~thasarge@g133023.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:59:24 *** lolman [~John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 21:59:30 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 21:59:49 *** Maedhros [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has quit [Quit: good night] 22:01:36 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:08:44 *** Digitalfox_ [~Digitalfo@bl7-182-93.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Bye] 22:08:44 *** Gekko[PDA] [~gekko@S010600e09103b7cd.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:16:04 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Solong, and thanks for all the fish.] 22:28:37 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0FF39.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 22:32:43 *** Anb [~anb@mar92-5-82-226-126-207.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:58:11 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77001.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:58:21 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 23:00:33 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FC9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00:49 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77001.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:02:06 <elmz> playing a game vs a friend now, but he keeps pinging out 23:02:24 <elmz> console says to raise net_frame_freq 23:02:54 <elmz> currently it is set to 0 (default as you probably know) 23:03:09 <elmz> but I have no idea what value to set it to ^^ 23:03:24 <elmz> 5? 10? 100? 23:03:34 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77001.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:03:49 <Phazorx> i asked same question before - got soemthing like "try and see" 23:04:01 <elmz> and what did you try? :P 23:04:05 <Phazorx> most liekly wont help since it looks like one of computers is not apt 23:04:08 <Phazorx> i tried 2 and 4 :) 23:04:22 <elmz> did it help? ^^ 23:04:44 <Phazorx> no, but it helped turning off other apps and giving more CPU ticks to the game 23:04:52 <Phazorx> as well as cutting down torrent activity 23:07:00 <elmz> none of us are dling/upping, but I found the error....relayed connection in Hamachi :) 23:07:09 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77001.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:09:32 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:09:56 *** txberiu [~tga@S01060014a5c0c68c.vs.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: txberiu] 23:10:52 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB6174.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 23:10:55 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB6174.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:10:56 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB6174.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 23:10:58 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB6174.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:13:58 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77CCD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:16:15 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB6174.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^zZz] 23:17:48 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB6174.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:24:51 *** smoovi [~smoovi@dslb-088-073-093-235.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:25:47 <elmz> hm,one thing that might make a gam harder to play would be if there was property maintenance on everything 23:26:02 <elmz> roads, rails etc 23:26:09 <elmz> not just stations :) 23:26:38 <elmz> would be more realistic too :) 23:28:25 <elmz> just came to my mind right now, had to say it 23:28:33 <elmz> has most likely been said before :) 23:31:19 *** mikegrb is now known as not_iggy 23:31:26 <SmatZ> yes it has :) 23:32:51 *** smoovi [~smoovi@dslb-088-073-103-175.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 23:41:58 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064017.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:41:58 *** smoovi [~smoovi@dslb-088-073-103-175.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:44:03 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:47:32 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:49:00 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77CCD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:49:13 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB6174.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^zZz] 23:50:28 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:51:00 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd