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00:04:51 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@xDSL-45-77.citynetnassjo.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:06:28 *** smoovi [smoovi@e178230200.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:17:23 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-165-206.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:17:53 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-165-206.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 00:20:00 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-165-206.adslplus.ch] has quit [] 00:20:59 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-165-206.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 00:33:54 *** arcil [~arcil@p5B076CB1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:44:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: richk * r10802 /branches/NewGRF_ports/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 00:44:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NewGRF_ports] -Feature: Added availability dates for airports, using callbacks. Gui modified to disable unavailable airports. If no airports available at all, airport placement disabled. 00:44:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Dates: 00:44:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Small airport: 1932-1975 (late early start for testing purposes). 00:44:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Commuter airport: 1971-2175. 01:25:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r10803 /branches/NewGRF_ports/bin/data/ (rb_airport2.grf sprites/rb_airport2.nfo): [NewGRF_ports] -Change: simplified small airport availability callback 01:31:00 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77ECC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:34:08 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Solong, and thanks for all the fish.] 01:37:58 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74C27.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:55:30 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 01:59:51 *** Netsplit cation.oftc.net <-> charon.oftc.net quits: CIA-1, Frostregen, _Ben_, simon444, Tefad, mikegrb, Prof_Frink, G_, Hendikins, +michi_cc, (+8 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 02:00:49 *** Netsplit over, joins: G_, mikegrb, Ammler, Smoovious, DaleStan, simon444, Gekko[PDA], Frostregen, Tefad, CIA-1 (+8 more) 02:06:34 *** Smoovious [~imp486@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:10:45 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-165-206.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:21:49 *** Smoovious [~imp486@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 03:08:47 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:10:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: richk * r10804 /branches/NewGRF_ports/src/airport_gui.cpp: 03:10:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NewGRF_ports] -Fix: Gui failed when layouts were not contiguous. eg. 01 and 07 03:10:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Replaced _airport.orientation with _airport.layout_set to aid clarity. Added _airport.direction to store the actual direction. Added search and translation of clicked direction to _airport.layout_set. 03:11:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: richk * r10805 /branches/NewGRF_ports/bin/data/ (rb_airport2.grf sprites/rb_airport2.nfo): [NewGRF_ports] -Fix: Cleaned up some reported grfcodec warnings. 03:11:11 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@xDSL-45-77.citynetnassjo.se] has joined #openttd 03:18:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: richk * r10806 /branches/NewGRF_ports/ (bin/data/airports.grf src/airport_gui.cpp): 03:18:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NewGRF_ports] -Change: Moved orientation buttons to match height of preview window. 03:18:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Updated airports.grf with skidd13's version of daylight's arrows. Many thanks to both. 03:48:19 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 04:05:54 *** Netsplit cation.oftc.net <-> charon.oftc.net quits: Sacro, Dark_Link^, CIA-1, Frostregen, _Ben_, Tefad, simon444, mikegrb, Prof_Frink, G_, (+9 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 04:07:07 *** Netsplit over, joins: G_, mikegrb, Sacro, Dark_Link^, Smoovious, DaleStan, simon444, Gekko[PDA], Frostregen, Tefad (+9 more) 04:15:10 *** iratsu [~iratsu@modemcable090.239-59-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 04:15:43 <iratsu> how stable is the AI in multiplayer patch? 04:19:48 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 04:25:52 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:28:48 *** seiffs [cloud@rb3b169.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 04:28:52 <seiffs> wow 04:28:55 <lws1984> aha! 04:29:00 <seiffs> i see :) 04:29:00 <lws1984> you made it 04:29:06 <seiffs> thanx! :) 04:29:12 <lws1984> now there should be someone in here who knows something about the inner workings of OpenTTD 04:29:34 <lws1984> 'cause I sure don't 04:29:34 <seiffs> ok 04:29:51 <seiffs> hello, anyone here? 04:30:40 <seiffs> anyone I could ask something? 04:34:26 <lws1984> just out of curiosity, seiffs, what timezone are you in? 04:34:56 <seiffs> Prague 04:34:58 <seiffs> Europe 04:35:12 <lws1984> hm. 04:35:12 <lws1984> and what time is it? 04:35:12 <seiffs> 6:35 04:35:12 <seiffs> :-) 04:35:13 <lws1984> AM? 04:35:16 <seiffs> yes 04:35:24 <lws1984> you'll have better luck in the afternoon 04:35:31 <seiffs> I think so 04:35:42 <seiffs> I'm going to work in 5 minutes 04:35:56 <seiffs> what timezones are ppl from here? 04:36:02 <seiffs> all world? 04:36:08 <lws1984> Pretty much. 04:36:59 <seiffs> ok, so I'm leaving... c u maybe later, have a nice day (or night :) ) 04:37:07 <seiffs> bye 04:37:15 <lws1984> it's a lovely morning, isn't it. 04:37:23 <seiffs> yes 04:38:47 <lws1984> wel, I'm off to bed 04:38:51 <lws1984> glad you found it, seiffs 04:39:20 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: And now for something completely different.] 05:18:35 <Noldo> I wonder what it was that I was doing on friday before going home 05:31:59 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77ECC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:34:35 *** Red [SeXyRed@24.197.192.218] has joined #openttd 05:38:24 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77ECC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:41:59 *** McHawk [~hawk@p5489F658.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:00:07 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-251-146.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 06:24:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10807 /trunk/src/openttd.cpp: -Fix [FS#1108]: keep_all_autosaves always got ".sav" as filename, which basically means that it only kept the last autosave. 06:36:27 <eekee> TTDPatch compatible nonstop handling means I can use stations as waypoints, right? 06:37:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes, it is basically a misdescription 06:39:50 <eekee> ok.. then with it enabled I can use multi-track stations as multi-track waypoints? 06:41:44 <Noldo> yes 06:44:25 <eekee> ok cool ^^ 07:00:48 *** Zr40 [~zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:03:09 *** BooUrns [~mailboour@c-67-184-87-2.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 07:03:21 *** marc-andre [~marc-andr@84.4.233.239] has joined #openttd 07:05:02 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 07:09:38 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:11:14 *** BooUrns [~mailboour@c-67-184-87-2.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:16:20 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:28:07 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C9D4.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:29:46 *** dihedral [~nathanael@joshua.dihedral.de] has joined #openttd 07:29:51 <dihedral> morning ladies ^^ 07:33:06 <simon444> boyz 07:34:20 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-165-206.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 07:43:13 <simon444> The new iMac!!! http://myskitch.com/neild/new_imac-20070805-161159.png 07:44:23 <hylje> that's not so funny as it gives it up right in there 07:46:22 *** simon888 [~simon@203.214.159.45] has joined #openttd 07:46:34 <simon888> The new iMac!!! http://myskitch.com/neild/new_imac-20070805-161159.png 07:47:57 <simon888> someone show it running openttd 07:51:01 *** mikegrb [~michael@mail.thegrebs.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:51:03 *** mikegrb [~michael@mail.thegrebs.com] has joined #openttd 07:52:45 *** simon444 [~simon@203-214-137-16.perm.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:55:28 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-166-100.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:55:55 *** Maedhros [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has joined #openttd 07:56:07 <Maedhros> morning 07:57:47 <simon888> night 07:57:58 <simon888> check out the new iMac 07:58:03 <simon888> http://myskitch.com/neild/new_imac-20070805-161159.png 07:59:31 <Maedhros> "Faker" ? 08:04:43 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 08:14:15 *** simon888 [~simon@203.214.159.45] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:14:31 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-166-100.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:14:44 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77ECC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:23:01 *** simon888 [~simon@203-214-137-16.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:23:58 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-166-100.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:32:36 *** smoovi [smoovi@e178193216.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:33:15 *** simon444 [~simon@203-214-159-45.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:34:45 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77E3F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:36:20 *** BurningFeetMan [~chatzilla@CPE-124-188-65-231.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:36:25 *** BurningFeetMan [~chatzilla@CPE-124-188-65-231.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 08:39:44 *** simon888 [~simon@203-214-137-16.perm.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:54:22 <alex__> question, is there any way of increasing the train service period from 120 days? 08:56:12 <Eddi|zuHause> there's a setting in the patches | vehicles tab, for the default service interval 08:57:27 *** Nickman [~nn@d54C1C327.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 08:57:53 <Nickman> hi all 08:58:49 <Nickman> you here TrueBrain? :) 09:00:15 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-166-100.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:01:20 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-166-100.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:05:47 *** simon888 [~simon@203-214-137-16.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:06:45 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 09:06:46 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-166-100.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 09:12:04 *** simon444 [~simon@203-214-159-45.perm.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:23:47 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:25:34 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-165-206.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:27:45 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CD08.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:32:36 <dihedral> simon888: that mac image you posted is nothing but a HD Cinema Screen! 09:32:47 *** smoovi is now known as Smoovi 09:33:16 *** Smoovi is now known as smoovi 09:40:40 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-165-206.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 09:45:44 *** Zaviori [~asdsad@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 09:51:56 *** Zavior [~asdsad@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:56:00 *** lion12 [~lolin12@pD95EC9D6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:59:27 *** Darkebie [~dkb@d5153D5CD.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:02:54 <lion12> Played around with the newGRF airports - promising feature... Came up with a question though. 10:02:58 <lion12> How will the cardinal points labelling be translated? One airports.grf for each language? 10:03:34 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:06:57 <Noldo> are they in the ui? 10:07:37 <alex__> are there going to be airports bigger than 4 runways at some stag? 10:07:40 <alex__> e 10:09:53 <lion12> Noldo: in airports-gui, yes 10:10:00 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@ndb.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 10:10:05 <lion12> I don't think it's good to have graphical labels. What's the problem with using an textlabel and showing only the arrow on each button? 10:10:42 *** arcil [~arcil@p5B076EB7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:12:10 <lion12> Screenshot: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=614666#p614666 10:12:25 <simon888> dihedral, it is the new iMac. 10:13:08 <Noldo> lion12: you'll have to ask richk 10:13:50 <lion12> hm, richk not here? 10:14:58 <Noldo> not at the moment 10:15:27 <lion12> will post in the forums then 10:15:30 <lion12> thank you 10:17:32 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-166-100.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:35:46 *** EmiT [~Miranda@194-176-150-82.gw.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:35:48 *** Zavior [~asdsad@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 10:38:59 *** Nitehawk [~nitehawk@c-98-200-106-108.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:42:04 *** Zaviori [~asdsad@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:45:18 *** Nitehawk [~nitehawk@c-98-200-106-108.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 10:48:26 <simon888> that purple dude is gay 10:49:43 *** simon444 [~simon@203-214-159-45.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:52:33 *** HMage [HMage@hmage.dialup.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 10:53:03 *** EmiT [~Miranda@194-176-150-82.gw.cz] has joined #openttd 10:53:52 *** Gekkko` [~Gekkko@CPE-124-183-12-152.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:56:30 *** simon888 [~simon@203-214-137-16.perm.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:01:36 *** HMage [HMage@hmage.dialup.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:06:38 *** Tekky4346 [~Tekky@p5493F7EA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:11:44 <Tekky4346> Hi, OpenTTD 0.5.3 RC2 has been out for a whole month now. Wouldn't it be appropriate to declare this version to be the next stable version? Currently, 0.5.2 is still listed as the latest stable version on the download page. 11:11:48 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 11:12:07 <Gekkko`> Tekky4346: it's not stable 11:12:08 <Gekkko`> that's why 11:12:18 *** Gekkko` is now known as Gekko 11:12:20 <Gekko> :P 11:12:27 <Tekky4346> aha :) 11:16:30 <simon444> Tekky4346, we all use nightlys 11:16:33 <simon444> daaaaah 11:16:50 <simon444> Tekky4346, start writing those patchies 11:17:08 <simon444> version 0.6 is around the corner 11:17:39 <Maedhros> the corner may be a while away, though 11:27:40 *** BurningFeetMan [~chatzilla@CPE-124-188-65-231.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:28:49 *** BurningFeetMan [~chatzilla@CPE-124-188-65-231.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has left #openttd [] 11:30:00 <Gekko> It's a long corner 11:30:09 <Gekko> it's so long it seems to be straight 11:30:14 <Gekko> but that 0.1 degree turn is just enough 11:31:56 <Noldo> Tekky4346: the RC will be called stable if stands some test of time 11:36:18 <Maedhros> ooh, openttd's in freebsd's ports 11:36:24 <Maedhros> it's 0.5.0 though :-/ 11:36:29 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A53C8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:36:47 <Eddi|zuHause> means they are like half a year behind :p 11:36:54 <Tekky4346> simon444: I should start writing patches? Which patches are you referring to? 11:43:34 <Noldo> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Roadmap_0.6 doesn't seem that bad 11:43:56 <Rubidium> Tekky4346: there is an annoying regression in 0.5.3-RC* that I want to be fixed first (FS#998) 11:44:24 <Maedhros> Noldo: yes, but it doesn't give any indication of how long newindustries is going to take 11:44:47 <Noldo> Maedhros: true, seeming isn't the whole picture 11:45:30 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-157-086.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 11:46:04 <Noldo> Rubidium: Could the CommandCost class be used to convey the expence type information too ? 11:47:32 *** lion12 is now known as LiOn 11:47:40 <Rubidium> that's technically possible, though I wonder how you would handle adding commandcosts with different expense types 11:48:56 <Noldo> in a.AddCost(b) the a would hold the expence type ? 11:50:23 <blathijs> Rubidium: Either forbid it or simply let CommandCost hold a value per type 11:51:03 <blathijs> might be more flexible I think, commands can then decide their own cost types and use mixed cost types 11:51:23 <blathijs> though the first is already possible I think, but uses ugly global vars? 11:52:20 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-117-087.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:52:40 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 11:53:41 *** alex_ [~joe@62-249-237-101.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #openttd 11:54:01 <Rubidium> having multiple types within a command cost is maybe nice, but might complicate stuff 11:54:14 <Rubidium> on the other hand, we could just make it a linked list of command costs 11:54:33 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 11:54:34 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 11:56:23 <Noldo> ok so I will try and then we will se how it goes. I did similar patch that got rid of _yearly_expences_type already but didn't show it to anyone 11:58:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: maedhros * r10808 /trunk/src/vehicle.cpp: -Fix (r10353): Make sure spectators can't open infrastructure building menus. 12:01:13 *** alex__ [~joe@62-249-237-101.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:02:25 <ln-> why _yearly, why not _annual? 12:04:59 *** lolman [lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 12:05:55 *** simon444 [~simon@203-214-159-45.perm.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:10:26 <Gekko> yearly is easier for non-english speaking people? 12:10:32 <Gekko> non-fluent 12:13:14 *** Darkebie [~dkb@d5153D5CD.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: VIP Gill ;D] 12:14:41 *** simon444 [~simon@203-214-159-45.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:20:03 <Tekky4346> Rubidium: thx for answering my question before..... 12:20:23 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:20:34 <Tekky4346> Rubidium: thx for answering my question before 12:20:53 <Tekky4346> oh, sorry for double post... 12:24:55 *** simon444 [~simon@203-214-159-45.perm.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:26:17 *** Gekko [~Gekkko@CPE-124-183-12-152.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: http://bbqsrc.org - Now less gay.] 12:29:33 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:29:54 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:33:46 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:33:51 *** simon444 [~simon@203.214.137.16] has joined #openttd 12:35:56 *** LiOn [~lolin12@pD95EC9D6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: "Oo"] 12:37:57 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:38:21 *** Hendikins [~wolfox@CPE-121-209-213-29.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:39:18 *** lolman [lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:42:05 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-166-100.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 12:47:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: maedhros * r10809 /trunk/src/roadveh_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r10097): When reversing, articulated parts of road vehicles should not attempt to do their own pathfinding. 12:51:34 *** Scuddles [~notme@cm231.epsilon122.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 12:54:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: maedhros * r10810 /trunk/src/roadveh_gui.cpp: -Fix (r10097): Add a comma between different cargo types if an articulated vehicle carries more than one cargo. 12:54:30 * Maedhros pretends that commit never had to happen 12:54:39 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-140-19.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 12:55:57 <Eddi|zuHause> you could try jedi mind tricks, but they won't work on strong minded persons :p 12:58:34 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-165-206.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:03:36 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:04:26 *** alex__ [~joe@62-249-237-101.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #openttd 13:04:34 *** alex_ [~joe@62-249-237-101.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:06:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: maedhros * r10811 /trunk/src/roadveh_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r10097): Refit all the parts of an articulated road vehicle, not just the first part. 13:08:49 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@ndb.demon.nl] has quit [Quit: lunch time ;)] 13:25:54 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-141-227-233.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 13:38:24 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@xDSL-45-77.citynetnassjo.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:41:18 <simon444> Maedhros! 13:42:26 <Maedhros> simon444? 13:43:11 <simon444> stop vomiting 13:45:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: maedhros * r10812 /trunk/src/roadveh_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r10097) [FS#1093]: Make RoadVehicle::MarkDirty() mark all parts of articulated vehicles as dirty, not just the front. 13:45:05 <Maedhros> uhm, what are you talking about? 13:46:18 <Rubidium> Maedhros: /ignore simon* 13:46:41 <Maedhros> could be a plan, yeah ;) 13:47:37 <seiffs> hi, could anyone pleae help me? there's this problem: I play openttd, everything worked fine until one day when I clicked local authority in any town there was nothing to do (the menu with bribing, building financing, statue contruction, road recontruction is gone) and I have a lot! of money... does anyone know whats the problem? 13:49:11 <simon444> heh 13:49:17 <simon444> click the more button 13:49:23 <simon444> or something like that 13:49:29 <simon444> it is the one in the middle 13:50:20 <seiffs> where? 13:50:47 <simon444> err let me open the game 13:50:52 <simon444> seiffs, what version? 13:51:02 <seiffs> 0.5.1 linux 13:51:44 <simon444> town name > local authority 13:51:51 <seiffs> yes 13:51:59 <seiffs> and there's no action to buy 13:51:59 <simon444> should be there 13:52:07 <simon444> no idea then 13:52:17 <simon444> maybe Maedhros would know 13:52:46 <Ammller> seiffs: update to current version and try again 13:53:12 <seiffs> yes, I could try that 13:53:24 <seiffs> I will tell when its done 14:03:18 <seiffs> nope 14:03:27 <seiffs> it's still empty 14:08:48 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10813 /trunk/src/ (industry_cmd.cpp station.cpp): -Fix (r10799): some destructors were performing too much during the pool cleanups, which could cause crashes as already removed pool items could then be dereferenced by other destructors. 14:12:56 *** McHawk [~hawk@p5489F658.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:19:06 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@xDSL-45-77.citynetnassjo.se] has joined #openttd 14:25:52 *** Wolfensteijn [~Wolfenste@77.250.19.98] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:34:29 <Brianetta> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290144569143 14:34:31 <Brianetta> (-: 14:35:09 <orudge> !seen peter1138 14:35:11 <_42_> orudge, please look a bit closer at the memberlist of this channel. 14:35:14 <orudge> bah 14:35:17 <orudge> this one isn't as clever as patchbot. 14:35:23 <orudge> patchbot tells you when they last spoke ¬ 14:35:52 <hylje> bring it here then 14:36:12 <simon444> !seen orudge 14:36:13 <_42_> simon444, if you can't see orudge here right now, you probably need new glasses. ^_^ 14:36:33 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@xDSL-45-77.citynetnassjo.se] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 14:36:50 <simon444> !seen alexalex 14:36:51 <_42_> simon444, alexalex (~email@78.86.15.85) was last seen quitting #openttd 17 hours 34 minutes ago (05.08. 21:01) stating "Quit: ircN 8.00 for mIRC (20070730)" after spending 2 hours 36 minutes there. 14:37:07 <simon444> !seen simon888 14:37:07 <_42_> simon444, simon888 (~simon@203-214-137-16.perm.iinet.net.au) was last seen quitting #openttd 3 hours 40 minutes ago (06.08. 10:56) stating "Ping timeout: 480 seconds" after spending 1 hour 50 minutes there. 14:37:16 <simon444> okay done. 14:37:18 <alex__> simon444, ? 14:37:26 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@ndb.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 14:37:31 <alex__> alex__, <-- alexalex 14:37:48 <simon444> so your that newbie... 14:38:05 <simon444> http://www.cut-the-knot.org/recurrence/flavius.shtml 14:38:06 <alex__> yes 14:38:31 <simon444> a required skill to live 14:40:53 <simon444> shit I would of been the last one to get killed if there were 40 people 14:41:17 <simon444> i.e. the survivor would kill me 14:42:18 <simon444> but if there was 50 people I would live 14:42:24 <simon444> guess my maths isn't that bad 14:45:28 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@xDSL-45-77.citynetnassjo.se] has joined #openttd 14:47:28 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 14:53:39 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@xDSL-45-77.citynetnassjo.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:00:42 <skidd13> If I zoom out I get this assertion in the latest trunk: spritecache.cpp:471: const void* GetRawSprite(SpriteID, bool): Assertion `sprite < _spritecache_items' failed. 15:00:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r10814 /trunk/src/ (roadveh_cmd.cpp roadveh_gui.cpp): -Fix [FS#1103]/Codechange: allow trams to be reverse manually, even though there is no track to do so. 15:01:15 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@xDSL-45-77.citynetnassjo.se] has joined #openttd 15:02:19 <Rubidium> that should also happen when you scroll around; sounds like some newgrf issue though. 15:03:17 <skidd13> Rubidium: Yes, but a lot less. Hmm I test it without newgrfs 15:04:10 <Rubidium> skidd13: because you don't get the sprite that is actually causing the issue to be drawn all the time when scrolling around zoomed in. When you zoom out it has to draw it with a much larger likelyhood 15:04:50 <skidd13> Rubidium: Removing all grfs does not solve the issue. 15:05:00 <skidd13> Maybe my savegame is broken? 15:05:17 <Rubidium> unlikely 15:05:26 *** seiffs [cloud@rb3b169.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 15:05:28 <Rubidium> though I need some way to reproduce it 15:07:44 <skidd13> Now I notice that there are some "killer" points on the map. Shall I post the savegame to FS? 15:07:56 <Rubidium> yup 15:09:44 * Maedhros wonders how to stop articulated road vehicles using normal road stops, especially with multistop 15:10:15 <Rubidium> forbid them in the pathfinder? 15:10:53 <skidd13> Rubidium FS 1111 15:11:02 <Maedhros> eep. pathfinders scare me :p 15:12:37 <Rubidium> maybe you could ask KUDr to help 15:13:16 <skidd13> Rubidium: Got the file? 15:14:09 <Rubidium> img=16777197 <- that doesn't look right to me 15:15:35 *** Scuddles [~notme@cm231.epsilon122.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [] 15:16:37 <Eddi|zuHause> <orudge> !seen peter1138 <- try @seen 15:17:09 <skidd13> Rubidium: this looks really somewhat out of range. 15:18:08 <orudge> @seen peter1138 15:18:09 <DorpsGek> orudge: peter1138 was last seen in #openttd 19 hours, 38 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <peter1138> "mmm, rhubarb crumble" 15:18:14 <orudge> Ah. 15:18:15 <orudge> well, now we know. 15:18:59 * Maedhros stabs firefox 15:19:05 <Maedhros> "colours" is not a spelling mistake 15:20:23 <Rubidium> Maedhros: it is 15:20:27 <Eddi|zuHause> actually it is, because the latin origin does not contain an "u" :p 15:20:41 <Rubidium> in Firefox's UK English dictionary though 15:24:57 * Maedhros goes to install a proper dictionary :p 15:29:32 *** DorpsGek [truelight@openttd.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:29:38 *** rav [~rav_nl@213-84-75-15.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:29:56 *** DorpsGek [truelight@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 15:29:57 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 15:33:14 <dihedral> simon444: spot the diff: http://www.apple.com/imac/ http://www.apple.com/displays/ 15:34:35 <simon444> /exec wget http://www.apple.com/imac/; wget http://www.apple.com/displays/; diff ......... 15:34:44 <simon444> a few thousand bytes 15:40:25 <dihedral> now lets learn what 'spot the diff' means, and 'run a diff', etc. 15:41:11 <rav> Im about to buy this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-Alpha-DSLR-A100-Digital-Camera-w-3-PRO-LENS-4GB_W0QQitemZ110155590113QQihZ001QQcategoryZ30020QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 15:41:18 <rav> if you think the offer stinks, tell me now :p 15:41:52 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 15:42:50 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 15:44:29 <dihedral> now 15:44:34 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:44:42 <rav> funny :) 15:44:52 <rav> I think its an awesome offer btw 15:45:13 <rav> here in dutchieland the camera costs 750 euros, and that includes just 1 lens 15:45:18 <dihedral> you'll probably just get the catalogue with all accessorise 15:45:43 <rav> the seller's got a 98.5% positive feedback 15:46:02 <dihedral> whats the missing 1.5% for? 15:46:25 <dihedral> better yet, get him to send you some close up pictures of the lcd screen and the lenses 15:46:48 <dihedral> just so you can make sure they aint too badly scrached 15:46:55 <dihedral> if he responds, good 15:47:22 <rav> yea 15:47:37 <rav> it's still a lot of money, but for that camera it's quite a bargain 15:48:24 <rav> the negative / neutral comments are usually about shipping 15:48:47 <rav> one guy actually expected overnight shipping to a militairy address in europe : 15:48:48 <rav> :p 15:48:54 <dihedral> get in tough with the guy and see how he responds, is what i would suggest 15:49:05 <rav> yea, I'll call too 15:49:10 <dihedral> ^^ 15:51:29 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81386.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:53:22 *** aneb [~kyle@d235-141-30.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #openttd 15:53:28 <aneb> hi 15:54:35 <aneb> i opened a new openttd server named fswh openttd server in the server list 15:54:39 <rav> shipping is just 79$ + 7% for insurance :) 15:55:32 <rav> 0 shipping though :p] 15:56:24 <rav> ~730 euros in total then 15:56:28 <rav> hmm, tempting :p 15:59:28 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 15:59:29 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 16:01:17 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:01:37 <simon444> rav, I sell Sony cameras 16:03:45 <simon444> rav, I suggest buying from Hong Kong 16:04:14 <simon444> just be careful not to buy counterfeits 16:09:29 <rav> is it even cheaper there? 16:09:45 <rav> anyway 16:09:53 <rav> paypal buyer protection isnt valid in hongkong 16:15:38 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-140-19.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:16:53 <simon444> rav, yes. delivery is cheaper too. no sales tax. 16:18:17 <aneb> need help 16:18:34 <aneb> openttd is taking too long to join my server. 16:18:39 <aneb> any reason why? 16:18:57 <aneb> Client #3 is dropped because it took longer than 296 ticks to start the joining process 16:19:02 <aneb> WTF is that 16:19:39 <aneb> ???? 16:20:22 <simon444> Segmentation fault (core dumped)$#$ 16:29:33 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@ndb.demon.nl] has quit [Quit: dinner time :9] 16:36:56 *** marc-andre [~marc-andr@84.4.233.239] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:37:01 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host162-223-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 16:37:05 <Wolf01> hello 16:37:10 *** arcil [~arcil@p5B076EB7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:38:18 <simon444> Wolf01, hellooo 16:40:12 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has joined #openttd 16:41:06 *** dihedral_ [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-219-128.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:41:33 *** dihedral [~nathanael@joshua.dihedral.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:41:33 *** dihedral_ is now known as dihedral 16:41:44 <dihedral> huhu 16:44:51 <Rubidium> aneb: that was a client that connected but didn't do anything after the initial connect (TCP level) 16:49:12 <aneb> Rubidium: so how do i makje openttd do something 16:50:56 <Rubidium> you have to make sure you've got a stable connection to the server, because that's most likely the problem you've got 16:51:34 <aneb> Rubidium: stable connection? i have port forwarding working... 16:51:43 <aneb> i think. 16:51:56 <Rubidium> well, wireless networks can be unstable 16:52:01 <aneb> um 16:52:15 <aneb> my network is alll wired 16:53:05 <aneb> and um 16:53:44 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 16:54:27 <Rubidium> the fact is that a lot of people use multiplayer and it works correctly for them, so there must be something specific in your situation that makes it break. I can give you some general ideas what might be wrong, but I don't have a crystal ball so I can see what exactly is wrong in your situation. 16:54:46 <aneb> Rubidium: ummm, when i refresh the public ip entry in the server list for a few times it says that the server is offline 16:55:14 <aneb> maybe i have a reason: 16:55:27 <aneb> dbg: [NET] Cannot resolve 16:55:27 <aneb> dbg: [NET] Cannot resolve 16:55:48 <Rubidium> well, that isn't the reason why you can't connect 16:55:52 <Rubidium> anyway, how's the server called? 16:56:55 <aneb> name or IP? 16:57:11 <simon444> http://www.peacemakergame.com/game.php 16:57:14 <simon444> hmmmmmmmmmmm 16:57:23 <aneb> also note that the LAN IP is listed and connects fine 16:57:25 <simon444> political games 16:57:53 <simon444> what a stupid idea 16:58:02 <simon444> or good idea 16:58:07 <simon444> depends on your POV 16:58:14 <Rubidium> name 16:58:35 <aneb> FSWH OTTD server 16:59:11 <Rubidium> oh, you're trying to connect to server at the public IP 16:59:21 <Rubidium> that's a kind-of known issue with most firewalls 16:59:33 <aneb> i have a router 16:59:58 <aneb> and d-link support says that the router doesnt support loopback 17:00:07 <aneb> (o 17:00:09 <aneb> er 17:00:10 <Rubidium> they do not do portforwarding of the external IP for connections coming from the internal network 17:00:18 <Rubidium> then there's your problem 17:00:35 <aneb> so i gess i have to hack around it 17:00:43 <Rubidium> just connect to the local ip 17:00:44 <aneb> by connecting to my lan ip 17:01:02 <aneb> yeah okay :-) 17:01:33 <aneb> and btw how do i state the rules whats the norm? 17:02:58 <aneb> Rubidium: ? 17:03:19 <Rubidium> huh? 17:03:34 <Rubidium> me no understand 17:03:40 <aneb> rules for users connecting to my server.... 17:04:22 <Rubidium> don't know exactly (don't run my own server), but there are plenty of people asking the same question at the forum 17:05:31 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A53C8.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 17:12:58 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@ndb.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 17:22:24 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AWAY 17:23:32 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 17:24:52 *** Hendikins [~wolfox@CPE-121-209-213-29.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 17:28:08 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:35:43 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 17:36:32 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A64D2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:39:27 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn15-194.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:40:27 *** Darkebie [~dkb@d5153D5CD.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:40:51 *** smoovi [smoovi@e178193216.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:40:58 *** Darkeby [~dkb@d5153D5CD.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:41:08 *** Darkeby [~dkb@d5153D5CD.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 17:41:26 *** smoovi [smoovi@e178193216.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:41:54 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:43:01 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-251-146.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:43:04 <simon444> http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/06/sim-hack-frees-iphone-from-atandt-kind-of/ 17:43:27 *** smoovi [smoovi@e178193216.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:43:56 *** smoovi [smoovi@e178193216.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:53:19 <dihedral> sugar simon444 17:53:31 <simon444> sugar? 17:54:48 <simon444> <calleja> sagrario castillo TAMAYO 17:54:51 <simon444> wtf 17:55:20 <simon444> what does all this mean? 17:56:32 *** smoovi [smoovi@e178193216.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:56:46 *** smoovi [smoovi@e178193216.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:59:59 <aneb> simon444: that is spanish or portugese, but i am not either :-) 18:02:28 *** smoovi [smoovi@e178193216.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:02:36 *** smoovi [smoovi@e178193216.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:02:45 *** eQualizer [~lauri@87.94.15.194] has joined #openttd 18:12:48 *** smoovi [smoovi@e178193216.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:13:19 *** smoovi [smoovi@e178193216.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:16:44 *** smoovi [smoovi@e178193216.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:25:53 *** rav [~rav_nl@213-84-75-15.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com] 18:29:06 *** Chris82 [~Chris82@p579E1EF2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:29:09 <Chris82> hello :) 18:29:36 <Chris82> I have a little problem, when I add the increase construction costs near towns patch and activate it the game crashes in scenario editor when I level land or build roads 18:29:38 <simon444> bye :( 18:30:04 <Chris82> a debug version leads me with an access violation to this line of my patch: uint distance = DistanceSquare(tile, t->xy); 18:30:07 <Chris82> is something wrong with it? 18:31:04 <blathijs> Chris82: Sounds like "t" has a null or other wrong value 18:31:33 <Chris82> well I added +1 in all the calculations to avoid division by zero 18:31:51 <Chris82> so the following code looks like: cost.MultiplyCost(((t->population / 408) * (1024 / (distance + 1)) / 2) + 1); 18:31:56 <Chris82> so distance can't be 0 18:32:09 <Maedhros> yes, but if there are no towns t will be NULL 18:32:13 <Maedhros> -> segfault 18:32:28 <Chris82> ahhhh let me see if having a town avoids the crash 18:35:36 <Chris82> hmmm bad I can't load trunk scenarios with ChrisIN =O 18:36:00 <Chris82> must have overlooked something that only affects scenario savegame compatibility, because trunk savegames work fine from any version 18:37:06 <Chris82> ok you were right, when there is a town the editor doesn't crash the game when the patch is enabled 18:37:19 <Chris82> how do I avoid this segfault? i.e. t being NULL 18:37:56 <Chris82> make (((t->population / 408) * (1024 / (dist + 1)) / 2) + 1); -----> ((((t->population + 1) / 408) * (1024 / (dist + 1)) / 2) + 1); 18:38:00 <Chris82> maybe? 18:43:48 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.105.56] has joined #openttd 18:46:28 <Maedhros> no, you're still using t ;) 18:46:42 <Maedhros> if it's NULL, you can't use it 18:46:55 <UnderBuilder> my idea for a better control to sabotagers: create a big official server, close the others and reclute the admins for moderating the 'super-servers' 18:47:46 <Chris82> hmmm and is something like if t != NULL possible? 18:47:52 <Maedhros> yup 18:47:54 <Chris82> so the whole code is only execute if t isn't NULL 18:48:22 <aneb> Chris82: yes.... this is C after all, and comparisons are possible ;-) 18:48:30 <aneb> Chris82: why did you ask? 18:49:28 <UnderBuilder> the enormous server should be divided into several maps where players can manage their companies 18:49:51 <Chris82> aneb: because my increase construction costs near towns patch crashes the game when leveling land in scenario editor and there are no towns 18:50:19 <aneb> Chris82: no, that wasn't what i was referring to. 18:50:47 <UnderBuilder> shortly, transform OTTD's MP into a MMOSim (or whatever) game type 18:51:02 <Chris82> oh which question were you referring to? 18:51:31 <aneb> Chris82: (02:47:42 PM) Chris82: hmmm and is something like if t != NULL possible? 18:52:41 <Chris82> well because I always think of NULL as being nothing and not 0 18:52:49 <Chris82> so I wasn't sure if a comparison like that is possible 19:13:37 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 19:19:49 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:19:54 <simon444> tomoliveri@gmail.com 19:25:26 <Chris82> ok the scenario editor crash is fixed :) now I just need to fix the problem that I can't load trunk scenarios with ChrisIN 19:31:15 <glx> scenario are like savegames so it's strange 19:33:08 <Chris82> I thought so too, but obviously there's a difference 19:33:24 <Chris82> I always only tested savegames with ChrisIN and they work fine, but no scenario works 19:34:33 <Chris82> hmmm correction 19:34:38 <Maedhros> there's no difference at all except for the file extension afaik 19:34:41 <Chris82> a 0.5.2 scenario loads fine, only trunk scenarios don't work 19:35:18 <Chris82> let me re-create a scenario, maybe it's only a bug with the file itself 19:35:47 <Maedhros> i really need to stop designing layouts as if i could use pbs with them... 19:36:15 <hylje> :o 19:36:16 <hylje> no 19:36:21 <hylje> implement pbs instead 19:36:34 <Chris82> good point hylje :D 19:36:55 <Maedhros> heh, if only ;) 19:37:45 <Phazorx> . 19:38:28 *** Wolf01|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 19:40:15 <Chris82> hmmm a trunk scenario r10814 with an empty map can be loaded 19:42:34 <Chris82> nevermind there seems to be no problem loading scenarios 19:42:45 <Chris82> the file I had was either corrupted or there was a bug in trunk that's been fixed :) 19:42:49 <Chris82> good night guys 19:43:06 <aneb> is there an alternative way to zoom in and out 19:43:20 <glx> + and - in numpad 19:43:46 *** Chris82 [~Chris82@p579E1EF2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:47:40 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-103-180.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 19:50:13 <Wolf01> why not pgup and pgdown? 19:50:41 <TrueBrain> why not a and p 19:50:43 <TrueBrain> ? 19:50:57 <simon444> tomoliveri@gmail.com lol 19:51:01 <Wolf01> because i don't have num+ and num- :0) 19:51:16 <TrueBrain> so try them without num 19:51:29 <TrueBrain> simon444: you do realise you are asking for a nice little kick? 19:51:52 * simon444 kicks simon444 19:51:59 <Wolf01> what's about the wince build? 19:52:09 <TrueBrain> what about it? 19:52:37 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: richk * r10815 /branches/NewGRF_ports/src/airport_gui.cpp: [NewGRF_ports] -Fix: Waypoints class check from newstation code was preventing listing of new classes. 19:52:59 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-103-180.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:53:00 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 19:53:25 <Wolf01> have you succeeded to fix the mouse? 19:53:29 <TrueBrain> yeah 19:53:31 <TrueBrain> was no problem 19:54:19 <Wolf01> now remain only the auto-landscape-switching for the screen 19:55:20 <simon444> sorry about that 19:55:45 <TrueBrain> Yeah, if ever :p 19:55:48 <TrueBrain> not on my priority list :) 19:55:54 <simon444> tom was using my computer for a while 19:55:57 <simon444> he is gone now 19:56:13 <simon444> my chin is swelling a little from the punch 19:58:45 <TrueBrain> Wolf01: minor other things need to be done too: locale detection, free-diskspace 19:58:48 <TrueBrain> those minor things 20:00:05 <Wolf01> ah, did you remember i talked about a leak which drained the battery? it happens with every "big" program 20:00:16 <TrueBrain> so not my problem :) Hehe! 20:00:32 <Wolf01> so i think is a bug of windows or the firmware itself 20:01:18 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8088A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:01:20 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 20:01:38 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:02:41 <Wolf01> seem like that windows tries to swap continuously the ram also when not needed after closing the program... if it can swap something 20:03:03 <TrueBrain> format :p 20:03:37 <Wolf01> i try to install every software i can in the flash card 20:03:48 <Wolf01> i have 2gb for this ;) 20:04:51 <TrueBrain> .... :p 20:05:53 *** Zr40 [~zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Zr40] 20:07:15 <EmiT> !password 20:07:25 <simon444> 123 20:07:29 <Wolf01> !list 20:07:30 <Wolf01> !pr0n 20:07:45 <simon444> http://google.com 20:33:20 <aneb> Wolf01: simon444 is not a bot 20:33:41 <simon444> yes I am 20:35:21 <Prof_Frink> aneb: He might be 20:35:30 <Prof_Frink> He fails the turing test... 20:35:58 <Wolf01> sacro fails it too 20:36:48 <Prof_Frink> Well, Sacro's a gnome from Jupiter 20:38:25 *** johnsonp [~paul@87-194-114-100.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:39:17 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Life is a game of pick-up-sticks, played by fucking lunatics.] 20:41:08 <aneb> lol? 20:41:55 *** aneb [~kyle@d235-141-30.home1.cgocable.net] has left #openttd [] 20:45:40 <Wolf01> http://xkcd.com/91/ lol 20:46:07 <Prof_Frink> Huzzah for xkcd! 20:52:19 <Wezz6400> xkcd pwns 20:52:33 <Wezz6400> it also shows that anyone with a good sense of humor can start a succesful webcomic 20:58:14 <Prof_Frink> xkcd is a simple test for geekhood. 21:02:50 <Wolf01> 'night 21:02:53 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host162-223-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:03:42 <Wezz6400> whoa somebody's busy on fs :D 21:04:37 <Rubidium> just a minor rearrangement of statuses 21:06:33 <Wezz6400> 40 minutes of it ;) 21:06:48 <TrueBrain> now at least there is more clearness what is going on :) 21:07:30 <Wezz6400> heh yeah it's a monks work (you know what I mean ;) ) but if done properly very useful 21:07:59 <TrueBrain> too bad it can't be done properly within the current system 21:08:02 <TrueBrain> which annoys the hell out of me 21:08:20 <TrueBrain> take those patches... all nice and all, but I hav eno idea which patch is code-checked, which is good, which is bad, which is worth looking at.... 21:08:53 <Wezz6400> stupid question, why don't you ajust flyspray to fit those needs? 21:09:07 <TrueBrain> not only is it hard, it is not designed with that in mind 21:09:19 <TrueBrain> which makes it a hack, which is rarely a good thing :) 21:09:25 <Wezz6400> hmm too bad 21:09:42 <TrueBrain> hmm, reminds me of an old project of mine I maybe should just finish... 21:09:43 <Wezz6400> i don't suppose there is a tool which does support that 21:10:35 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/review/details.txt 21:10:39 <TrueBrain> a very simple system 21:11:47 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/review/layout.html 21:13:02 <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: Looks good 21:13:42 <Prof_Frink> Something to placate those who constantly whine "Why isn't foopatch in trunk yet?" 21:13:45 <hylje> is this under development? 21:14:03 <TrueBrain> it is an old draft of mine, to improve user <-> developer interaction 21:14:11 <TrueBrain> 21 Feb 2007 21:14:12 <TrueBrain> hehe 21:14:18 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:14:24 <TrueBrain> As in my experience, the users mostly don't get why their patch isn't accepted 21:14:48 <hylje> if you can host a python app, i could donate a patch tracker 21:15:06 <TrueBrain> hylje: depends very much on what it give s:p 21:15:35 <TrueBrain> as what I like to have, is a simple system that creates binaries out of patches, so users can try it 21:15:55 <hylje> hmm, could compilefarm be harnessed? 21:16:16 <Wezz6400> hmm quite nice 21:16:19 <TrueBrain> it already has code to allow custom patches 21:16:25 <TrueBrain> via a secure gateway I can insert them 21:16:37 <TrueBrain> the only downside is that the patches need checking :) 21:16:47 <hylje> heh 21:16:47 <TrueBrain> I once worked on a jail-system 21:16:59 <TrueBrain> but that..... never made it out of hte draft :) 21:17:17 <TrueBrain> the whole compile-farm needs a redo btw.. 21:18:01 <hylje> all i need to learn how-to is the help popups for implementing the draft 21:18:34 <TrueBrain> hylje: sorry? I didn't follow that for one bit :) 21:18:42 <TrueBrain> hylje: anyway, you have a website or shots of your patch tracker? :p 21:18:52 <hylje> i just came in contact with said draft 21:19:01 <hylje> its not likely i can whip up a prototype in a few minutes 21:19:22 <TrueBrain> oh, sorry, I thought you ment you had a system 21:19:27 <hylje> and anyway, i just dont grasp how to do pop up notes yet 21:19:41 <TrueBrain> hehe, you want to build this system, okay, sorry, misread you :p 21:19:45 <Prof_Frink> Hmm, could you do some clever linking and create a git branch for each patch put through the system? 21:19:59 <TrueBrain> Prof_Frink: VERY nice idea in fact... 21:23:06 <TrueBrain> anyway, hylje, coding this thing isn't the real issue currently :) 21:23:15 <TrueBrain> I first want to be sure it will be used, and it is useful to use 21:23:24 <hylje> most of the effort is in the design 21:23:26 <hylje> given good design 21:23:41 <TrueBrain> which Itried to give with those drafts ;) 21:23:57 <TrueBrain> so I guess I first need some feedback on it 21:23:57 <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: Just say that you will only accept to trunk patches that have gone through the system 21:24:05 <hylje> im whipping up the data structure that draft draws 21:24:08 <simon444> yup 21:24:16 <hylje> expect some comments on that 21:24:43 <TrueBrain> Prof_Frink: I am not the only developer 21:24:46 <TrueBrain> and I have many crazy ideas 21:25:02 <TrueBrain> (believe me, my draft-dir is longer then my patch-dir) 21:25:06 <hylje> :-) 21:25:26 <TrueBrain> hylje: I rather have feedback on what it might be missing :) 21:25:34 <hylje> ill get to that 21:25:39 <TrueBrain> k k :) 21:25:40 <TrueBrain> hehe 21:26:02 <TrueBrain> btw, one side-condition on the site is that it runs in CLI based browsers :p 21:26:05 <TrueBrain> just for the fun of it :) 21:26:16 *** rav [~rav_nl@213-84-75-15.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:26:17 <hylje> :) 21:26:23 <rav> Dalestan? 21:28:51 <TrueBrain> I wonder in which language it should be done... most of openttd.org is in PHP, but lately I favour Python.. 21:29:06 <Prof_Frink> Perl then 21:29:06 <hylje> i'm proposing python 21:29:15 <TrueBrain> PHP simply is bloat-ware 21:29:21 <rav> nah 21:29:24 <Wezz6400> php is well 21:29:24 <Prof_Frink> Just to finish the LAMPPP stack 21:29:38 <Wezz6400> it just sucks 21:29:49 <Wezz6400> you can talk very long about it but in the end it just sucks 21:30:01 <rav> I still like php 21:30:05 <Wezz6400> basicly because it tries to be everything but it succeeds in none of that 21:30:07 <rav> and php 5 in particular 21:30:29 <TrueBrain> rav: it still is a killer for any machine 21:30:33 <Wezz6400> which renders a heap of half-finished junk that doesn't work the way you want it to 21:30:34 <rav> php isn't meant as a scripting language, not a programming language: you should keep that in mind 21:30:35 <TrueBrain> the memory foot-print alone.... 21:30:43 <Wezz6400> rav still 21:30:49 <Wezz6400> php5 is supposed to be good OO 21:31:01 <Rubidium> Squirrel! 21:31:06 <Wezz6400> well try constructor overloading, doesn't work 21:31:08 <rav> yea, and I don't miss any OO functions (though I dont use them alot anymore) 21:31:11 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I considered it :) 21:31:18 <Wezz6400> what stupid OO language does not support constructor overloading >_< 21:31:21 <TrueBrain> install lighttpd and get the lua plugin 21:31:24 <TrueBrain> fast as lightning :) 21:32:06 <Wezz6400> if you are used to proper OO implementations such as java or c# or possibly c++ (I don't know c++ well enough to judge) trying to work OO in php is just a bitch 21:32:27 <DaleStan> rav: pong 21:32:27 <TrueBrain> Wezz6400: just a matter of getting used to 21:32:28 <rav> yea, well it's pretty tough to use c++ for a website ;) 21:32:31 <TrueBrain> such things are there to overcome 21:32:50 <TrueBrain> my problems are more as seen as a sysop :) 21:34:04 <Wezz6400> TrueBrain well 21:34:21 <Wezz6400> the fact that you can overcome it does not mean php5 has a decent oo implementation 21:34:52 <hylje> lets get off the language debate and instead argue the implementation 21:35:22 <TrueBrain> Prof_Frink: the git idea is nice and all, but a bit bitching, as each patch can be against an othe rsvn revision, and... that makes it all a bit harder :) 21:35:46 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: just use a branch for each patch 21:35:50 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 21:35:53 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: yes, that isn't a problem 21:36:00 <TrueBrain> but when a user upload patch against SVN r1 21:36:02 <Rubidium> you should be able to branch a specific revision 21:36:04 <TrueBrain> and later against SVN r100 21:36:08 <TrueBrain> how to add both to one git? 21:36:28 <TrueBrain> (what I liked about the idea was, that oyu can review the changes between 2 patches in an easy way) 21:36:33 <simon444> <rav> php isn't meant as a scripting language, not a programming language: you should keep that in mind 21:36:43 <Rubidium> revert patch in git, update to correct rev, apply patch 21:36:55 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: which doesn't help :) 21:36:56 <Rubidium> that destroys the ability to review changes though 21:37:01 <TrueBrain> exactly 21:37:05 <TrueBrain> so it removes the use of git at all 21:37:18 <simon444> the guys who originally hack it up intended it to be a html processor 21:37:38 <rav> simon: I know, it still is 21:37:44 <rav> it's a preprocessor 21:37:55 <simon444> it was not engineered as a language 21:37:57 <TrueBrain> hmm, funny enough my draft has everything I want from such a system... 21:38:19 <simon444> just a specially hacked up version of c... 21:38:51 <Rubidium> the problem is that you can't view the difference between patches when they are made against other revisions 21:38:58 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:39:01 <rav> but it's easy to read and edit, which makes it extremely useful for websites :) 21:39:06 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-141-227-233.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:39:07 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: true true... too bad :p 21:39:13 <rav> but lets quit this discussion ;) 21:39:20 <Rubidium> and we all know that trunk changes cause conflicts... which makes it impossible to update one to the correct revision 21:39:20 <TrueBrain> then I suggest to add git support in this way: one can request a git url, in which he can commit his stuff 21:39:29 <TrueBrain> which links back to the review system, as if he uploads a new patch every time 21:40:04 <Rubidium> then the patch is always against the revision he started with 21:40:22 <TrueBrain> he can merge too 21:40:24 <TrueBrain> like we do 21:40:56 *** lolman_ [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 21:41:12 <Rubidium> hmm, you mean the person gets full git access for that branch? 21:41:17 <Wezz6400> sounds to me like you guys are trying to work with a double version system with this svn and git stuff :X 21:41:26 <rav> yea, kind of confusing :p 21:41:28 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: yes, why not? Easy to arrange, security wise 21:41:44 <TrueBrain> Wezz6400: not at all. SVN is the main version contorl system 21:41:53 <TrueBrain> it just doesn't allow easy branching or keeping track of local work 21:42:05 <TrueBrain> git does, so see it as a thin shell around svn :) 21:42:10 <simon444> rav, please 21:42:12 <rav> so git is svn + branch support? :) 21:42:20 <TrueBrain> not directly, but how we use it: yes 21:42:52 <rav> it seems useless to give each patch a different branch 21:42:59 <rav> ^ in my opinion 21:43:02 <TrueBrain> in SVN, yes, in git, no 21:43:02 <hylje> hm how do i spit out syntax highlighting in vim 21:43:05 <Rubidium> git branches are *very* cheap 21:43:40 <simon444> <rav> '/me gives ,- 21:43:44 <simon444> woohoo 21:43:46 <rav> I think someone (lifts hand) should make a system for patches 21:43:54 <rav> be happy with it 21:44:06 <rav> simon, I will have to deduct administrative costs :o 21:44:06 <TrueBrain> I think rav missed an essential part of this conversation 21:44:08 *** lolman_ [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:44:17 <rav> Im starting to think so as well :p 21:44:21 * rav will shut up 21:44:26 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/review/layout.html 21:44:31 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/review/details.txt 21:44:48 <Wezz6400> hmm 21:44:56 <Wezz6400> looks like it's a good idea for me to look into git then 21:45:13 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:46:12 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 21:46:58 <rav> well, that setup doesn't seem like a complicated system :) 21:47:06 <rav> except for the last point that is :p 21:47:23 <hylje> http://hylje.fi/files/ottd/ottd-patch-tracker.draft.html (sorry for imposing my theme and syntax highlighter to you people) 21:47:45 <hylje> in case you're interested in what i see the data structure 21:47:46 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 21:47:54 <hylje> as 21:47:55 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A64D2.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 21:48:14 <TrueBrain> totally unreadable for me :p 21:49:43 <hylje> i could make it more human readable but that'd mean i'd have to write it down again 21:49:56 <TrueBrain> hehe :p 21:50:01 <TrueBrain> no worries :) 21:50:09 <Rubidium> hylje: no user "class"? 21:50:14 <hylje> Rubidium: it's elsewhere 21:50:42 <TrueBrain> but okay, I first wonder if my draft is good enough 21:50:47 <TrueBrain> does it contain all the things one needs? 21:50:59 <hylje> i didnt see anything in particular lacking 21:51:17 <Rubidium> that you'll know once it's implemented (prototype-phaseish) 21:51:30 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:51:47 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: yeah, but by reviewing it forhand, you avoid total disaster ;) 21:52:13 <hylje> its not like the draft is a total enterprisey piece of obsidian 21:52:35 <rav> how about a code discussion page for each patch? 21:52:44 <hylje> rav: comments are right there 21:52:49 <rav> I know 21:52:51 <TrueBrain> and FixThises too :) 21:52:55 <rav> Im no talking about general comments 21:53:31 <rav> I mean a page specially for the coding comments / questions the devs might have 21:53:31 <Rubidium> rav: you haven't read the details.txt, have you? 21:53:37 <rav> I did 21:53:42 <rav> Im tired >.< 21:53:42 <Wezz6400> TrueBrain let me ask you a question, if you would start openttd now, would you use svn for a versioning system or git? 21:53:45 <rav> let me read it again 21:53:55 <hylje> rav: FixThises are dev->patchdev traffic 21:54:04 <hylje> rav: Comments are user->patchdev traffic 21:54:06 <TrueBrain> Wezz6400: SVN 21:54:18 <hylje> in general. 21:54:23 <TrueBrain> Wezz6400: for a big community, SVN is clear. Revisions go upwards, and one can refer to it 21:54:28 <TrueBrain> git is just a nice addition 21:54:58 <Rubidium> and svn would probably branchless (except stable branches) and git would be used for features 21:55:01 <TrueBrain> hylje: most of the time, but Comments will also be used for devs to say: I don't like it game-wise 21:55:03 <TrueBrain> or what ever 21:55:08 <Wezz6400> hmm I see 21:55:11 <hylje> yeah 21:55:12 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: exactly :) 21:55:20 <Wezz6400> I'm going to start a project soon, which is why I'm asking 21:55:22 <hylje> it shouldnt be limited 21:55:25 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C9D4.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:55:30 <TrueBrain> Wezz6400: for small projects, use SVN 21:55:42 <Wezz6400> I read parts of the svn manual and that talks about branching, which it supports 21:55:54 <Wezz6400> I have no previous experience with svn so I don't know to what extend it does 21:56:13 <Rubidium> oh, the "cheap branching" propaganda ;) 21:56:14 <TrueBrain> it supports them perfectly, just not locally 21:56:16 <TrueBrain> only remotely 21:56:47 <Rubidium> they are right with it, branching is cheap, but any sync with "trunk"/whatever other branch is expensive 21:57:20 <Maedhros> good night 21:57:23 <TrueBrain> night Maedhros 21:57:25 <Rubidium> as in copy-on-writeish and syncing usually means lots of files with little changes 21:57:28 <rav> night 21:57:29 <Rubidium> night Maedhros 21:57:33 *** Maedhros [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:57:49 <Wezz6400> well when I think about branching I think about developing a game, first creating a version that can render terrain, objects and stuff, then creating an AI dev branch so you don't break the working alpha with crappy ai code in very early development 21:58:01 <Rubidium> which would result in duplicating lots of files 21:58:14 <TrueBrain> Wezz6400: it is oaky if you have revisions < 10000 21:58:24 <Rubidium> and in svn you can't really remove branches 21:58:26 <TrueBrain> and something like AI dev, I would suggest to give a SVN branch anyway 22:00:21 <Wezz6400> Well I have no idea how many revisions we'll reach, but I don't suppose you guys ever thought about reaching 10k back when you started out 22:00:42 <TrueBrain> true true 22:00:42 <hylje> you can always migrate 22:01:40 <Wezz6400> Hmm I'll have to look into this, it's good to know though 22:01:49 <Wezz6400> Better do it now than halfway through 22:02:02 <TrueBrain> but okay, where to go from here with this review system.. 22:02:09 <TrueBrain> creating the real page should be simple enough 22:02:14 <hylje> it is 22:03:10 <TrueBrain> hmm, k, if we do it in PHP, we can integrate it with the main site of openttd.org ;) 22:03:48 <hylje> ya right 22:03:53 <hylje> i'd pass ;) 22:04:01 <rav> I can help.. :) 22:04:20 <TrueBrain> I rather pass on it too :p 22:04:49 <Wezz6400> You want to use PHP, but you don't want to write PHP :D 22:05:01 <hylje> he was utilizing sarcasm 22:05:14 <TrueBrain> Wezz6400: I never said I want to use PHP 22:05:21 <rav> writing php is one of the more simple and repetative jobs around 22:06:25 <rav> anyway 22:06:28 * rav is off to bed 22:06:34 <TrueBrain> night rav 22:06:35 <simon444> rav, night 22:06:46 <hylje> i think ima too. ill probably get a prototype up tomorrow 22:07:06 <hylje> with most all of the draft 1's features 22:07:10 <Wezz6400> TrueBrain ok you considered it 22:07:24 <TrueBrain> ima? 22:07:29 <Wezz6400> well 22:07:38 <Wezz6400> you mentioned an advantage of using php 22:07:52 <TrueBrain> Wezz6400: I was talking to hylje 22:08:01 <Rubidium> ima -> iam -> i am -> I am 22:08:10 <Wezz6400> blegh I seem to be going around in circles tonight 22:08:10 <hylje> thanks, Rubidium 22:08:15 <TrueBrain> ah, tnx :p 22:08:21 <TrueBrain> hylje: don't rush too fast to a finish line :) 22:08:23 <TrueBrain> but feel free 22:08:30 <hylje> i'm not rushing 22:08:36 <hylje> it's just that simple still :p 22:08:43 <TrueBrain> it truely is yes 22:08:53 <TrueBrain> just on the backend storage there are some things to take care of 22:09:20 <hylje> the prototype cares bugger all bout that 22:09:25 <hylje> but now really, night 22:09:29 <TrueBrain> night hylje 22:09:30 <TrueBrain> and tnx 22:09:48 <Wezz6400> oh nice, wikipedia lists 25 version control systems :X 22:09:56 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:12:59 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-140-19.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 22:14:46 *** rav [~rav_nl@213-84-75-15.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:16:52 *** Tekky4346 [~Tekky@p5493F7EA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 22:17:40 *** simon444 [~simon@203.214.137.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:25:23 <TrueBrain> hylje: django is nice :p 22:26:10 *** simon444 [~simon@203-214-159-45.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 22:27:15 <simon444> too many people sleeping 22:27:15 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:27:20 <simon444> do it like me 22:27:25 <simon444> stay up all night 22:27:28 <simon444> go to work 22:27:31 <simon444> sleep in the 2 hour commute 22:27:49 <Prof_Frink> Doesn't work so well when it's a 20minute drive 22:31:24 <simon444> Prof_Frink, stop in the parking lot 22:31:41 <simon444> sleep might fit better 22:35:17 <simon444> the rumor mill says new imac will be cheaper 22:35:55 *** gost-hlcn [~Admin@89.163.148.100.static.rdns-uclo.net] has joined #openttd 22:36:20 *** Lost-Hope|Thardas [~Admin@89.163.148.100.static.rdns-uclo.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:39:58 *** gost-hlcn is now known as Lost-Hope|Thardas 22:47:52 *** Tekky4346 [~Tekky@p5493F7EA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:49:05 <TrueBrain> hylje: what is missing in your design is the checklist, and their score 22:49:08 <TrueBrain> but okay, detail :) 22:50:05 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:50:55 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:50:56 *** Tekky4347 [~Tekky@p5493F7EA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:55:53 *** Tekky4346 [~Tekky@p5493F7EA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:56:26 <dihedral> night ladies 22:56:40 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-219-128.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]] 22:57:03 <simon444> ladies hahahaha 23:06:40 *** simon444 [~simon@203-214-159-45.perm.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:13:51 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:13:52 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 23:15:13 *** simon444 [~simon@203-214-137-16.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:24:05 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.105.56] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.5/2007071317]] 23:24:12 <simon444> peter1138, how many laptop miles is your penis? 23:24:39 <TrueBrain> @kick simon444 blabla, woef woef 23:24:40 *** simon444 was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [blabla, woef woef] 23:24:46 *** simon444 [~simon@203-214-137-16.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:25:33 <Nickman> hi all 23:25:41 <Wezz6400> it's good to see my ignore list items confirmed :+ 23:34:56 <Nickman> TrueBrain, you still here? or do you run away everytime I'm online? :D 23:35:12 <TrueBrain> the latter, yes :p 23:35:15 <Nickman> hehe :D 23:35:16 <TrueBrain> nice post, I made it sticky 23:35:18 <TrueBrain> now nappy time 23:35:22 <Nickman> I saw ;) 23:35:24 <TrueBrain> night 23:35:27 <Nickman> I'm going to bed to ;) 23:35:37 <Nickman> night ;) 23:38:00 <simon444> off to work 23:39:00 <simon444> peter1138, you can answer me when I get back 23:42:25 *** simon444 [~simon@203-214-137-16.perm.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 23:44:23 <DaleStan> That is actually an interesting question after all. 23:46:26 <DaleStan> Why are there 0.5.3-RC2 packages for Debian, but no packages for any other Linux distros, despite claims to the contrary ("different Linux distributions") on http://www.openttd.org/downloads.php ? 23:47:01 <DaleStan> And the same for 0.5.2. 23:54:08 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 23:56:32 <Sacro> hmmm 23:56:37 <Sacro> I can post them for ArchLinux 23:56:44 <Sacro> actually, not -RC* 23:57:00 <Sacro> seeing as hyphens are not allowed in the version number