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[Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:33:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> # grÃŒn, ja grÃŒn, sind alle meine zeilen 08:34:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> # grÃŒn ja grÃŒn ist alles, was ich les' 08:34:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> # darum lieb' ich, alles was so grÃŒn ist 08:35:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> # weil mein chan ein idlerchannel ist 08:43:07 *** frosch123 [~mtce@pascal.math.tu-clausthal.de] has joined #openttd 08:44:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> (slight adaption of a german children's song (http://www.colibu.de/gruen_ja_gruen_sind_alle_meine_kleider.htm)) 08:57:36 <frosch123> Those who know german = Those who know the song 08:59:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> sure... but when i saw all the green here, suddenly that melody spooked through my head, and i just couldn't keep that thought to myself :) 09:05:40 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 09:11:26 *** ITSBTH [~e@host-81-191-171-43.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 09:11:26 *** ITSBTH_ [~e@host-81-191-171-43.bluecom.no] has quit [Read error: Connection 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conditions. 12:38:13 <SpComb> underwater? 12:38:16 <svip> That too. 12:38:30 <svip> Ping is like on kernel level. 12:38:41 <svip> So even when everything seems roasted. 12:38:48 <svip> It will still respond. 12:38:53 <SpComb> I think being underwater would kill the httpd and the kernel in the same way 12:39:06 <glx> and probably the server too 12:39:12 <svip> You think I am being serious? 12:39:13 <SpComb> I bet a paniced kernel won't respond to pings 12:44:21 *** ITSBTH [~e@host-81-191-171-43.bluecom.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:44:31 *** ITSBTH [~e@host-81-191-171-43.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 12:47:58 *** DeGhosty [~c4command@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 12:55:53 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498CDFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:03:20 *** ITSBTH [~e@host-81-191-171-43.bluecom.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:03:32 *** ITSBTH [~e@host-81-191-171-43.bluecom.no] has joined 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[14:36] <svip> Apparently, due to the fact that it is in the Netherlands, the dikes have just been blown... and now it is under water. 13:35:44 <yorick> [14:39] <svip> You think I am being serious? 13:35:52 <yorick> so... no idea 13:36:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> "whats up" - "its down" <- genious (apart from the missing apostrophes) :p 13:37:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> skidd13: the only person to really tell what's going on timed out together with all other services 13:37:35 <yorick> :D 13:38:23 <glx> Eddi|zuHause2: indeed he's gone for shopping before the timeout 13:39:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> that would probably not really help the situation :) 13:39:09 <yorick> just like about 2 weeks ago 13:39:33 <skidd13> Murphy hit us again :D 13:41:33 *** ITSBTH_ [~e@host-81-191-171-43.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 13:41:33 *** ITSBTH [~e@host-81-191-171-43.bluecom.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:42:08 *** orudge`` [~orudge``@bwpc-14.st-and.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 13:43:21 *** Chris82 [~Chris82@p579E1E86.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:43:24 <Chris82> hi guys :) 13:43:32 <Chris82> I have a question about sprites.h 13:43:36 <Chris82> when I have a line like SPR_ROADSTOP_BASE = SPR_ROUTEMARKER_BASE + 12, 13:43:37 <orudge``> !seen true* 13:43:46 <Chris82> how do I know what the + xx value has to be? 13:44:05 <Chris82> or in other words, how do I find out without being the author of the original grf ;) ? 13:44:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> orudge``: all the bots were also on true*'s server ;) 13:45:27 <orudge``> ah 13:45:32 <SpComb> Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd ) 13:45:32 <orudge``> !logs 13:45:48 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B7894E.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 13:46:11 <skidd13> Chris82: decode the grf and read how many sprites are in it. 13:52:30 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A73E8.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 13:52:39 <yorick> openttd.org is back 13:52:52 <svip> :O 13:52:56 <svip> Crisis averted! 13:53:02 *** TrueBrain [truelight@81.171.98.110] has joined #openttd 13:53:32 *** DorpsGek [truelight@81.171.98.110] has joined #openttd 13:53:34 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 13:53:52 <yorick> and truebrain is back too 13:54:00 *** _42_ [truelight@81.171.98.110] has joined #openttd 13:54:15 <svip> Crisis not averted then. 13:55:48 * Eddi|zuHause2 imagines yorick hittig F5 every 3 seconds for the last half hour 13:56:55 <yorick> thats not true! 13:57:08 <svip> It was every 5 second. 13:57:27 <yorick> every 15 minutes! 13:57:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah. sure. 13:58:29 *** me [~me@h204n3c1o1114.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #openttd 13:59:32 *** orudge`` [~orudge``@bwpc-14.st-and.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: bye again] 14:00:15 <Chris82> skidd13: I found the solution by error and trial ;) 14:00:27 <Chris82> the decoding tools for grfs all don't work on Vista x64 14:00:28 *** ITSBTH_ [~e@host-81-191-171-43.bluecom.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:00:31 <Chris82> at least I can't make them work 14:00:37 *** ITSBTH [~e@host-81-191-171-43.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 14:01:02 <Chris82> I took richk's original routemarkers patch and updated it to CommandCost state and threw away BamBam's version because it was broken 14:01:15 <Chris82> now the grass growth patch also doesn't grow routemarkers anymore ;) 14:01:26 <Chris82> but so far I see no grass growth either, so there's still some work left 14:03:37 <SmatZ> better no grass than routemakers everywhere :-D 14:04:23 <nairan> hmm i have tains getting any coal from mine but rate is still sinking.. 14:04:29 <nairan> tains = trains 14:05:13 <Chris82> the routemarker GUI is removed now so building them is a little less comfortable, but the advantage is that they work now properly and don't crash the game ;) 14:06:48 *** KouDy [user@85.207.64.178] has joined #openttd 14:11:07 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: bye all!] 14:18:48 *** Osai 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Just that it is a good FRENCH spelling ^_^ 14:59:20 <frosch123> I don't know french 14:59:36 <svip> Nobody knows French. 15:00:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> i know french 15:00:28 <Belugas> well... there are two devs who do ;) 15:00:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> ... un petit peu 15:00:46 <Belugas> juste assez :) 15:00:57 * Belugas goes back to work@work 15:00:58 <Belugas> have fun 15:12:24 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:12:56 <Chris82> where is tile defined? 15:13:00 <Chris82> can't find it right now 15:13:24 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has joined #openttd 15:14:13 <Chris82> nvm *me was stupid* 15:18:22 <svip> :) 15:19:02 <Chris82> when I do TileIndex t = and I want it to be the current tile, what is the "shortcut" for it? 15:19:52 <frosch123> What means "current tile"? 15:20:21 <Chris82> = tile where mouse pointer points at 15:20:55 <frosch123> Those tiles are passed as parameters to commands 15:21:09 <Chris82> I want to do IsTileType(tile, MP_STATION) 15:21:20 <Chris82> because the if clause should only apply if the tile I click is a station 15:21:27 <Chris82> but I don't know how to define tile 15:21:31 <frosch123> Inside a command or inside the gui? 15:21:46 <Chris82> inside HandleViewportScroll() 15:22:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> then look how the highlighting for the mousecursor is done in other parts 15:22:32 <Chris82> I want the show station spread area with rightclick patch to only do something when I actually click on a station 15:22:56 <Chris82> otherwise when rightclicking anywhere on the map it tries to show the station spread area even when there is none which breaks quite a lot of things 15:23:12 <frosch123> GetTileBelowCursor 15:23:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> how do you scroll if you have a station the size of the screen? 15:23:31 <Chris82> you can't have such large stations? 15:23:37 <Chris82> oh wait ok on small resolutions you can indeed 15:23:52 <Chris82> hmmm ok then I make it ctrl + rightclick 15:24:50 <Chris82> 2>d:\openttd\openttd-dev\src\window.cpp(1488) : error C2664: 'IsTileType' : cannot convert parameter 1 from 'Point (__fastcall *)(void)' to 'TileIndex' 15:24:59 <Chris82> using GetTileBelowCursor doesn't seem to work 15:25:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> stations can be up to 64x64 15:25:17 <frosch123> It returns a TileCoord 15:25:44 <frosch123> So you have to do something like: TileXY(pt.x / TILE_SIZE, pt.y / TILE_SIZE) 15:25:56 <frosch123> where pt is the result from GetTileBelowCursor 15:36:58 <blathijs> Isn't there a function to do that? 15:38:05 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-226-227.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:38:09 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-226-227.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 15:38:13 <frosch123> Only for left clicks :) 15:40:38 <frosch123> Or did you mean "TileVirtXY" instead of "TileXY" and the divisions ? 15:40:52 <Chris82> TileIndex tile; 15:40:53 <Chris82> tile = TileVirtXY(GetTileBelowCursor().x, GetTileBelowCursor().y); 15:41:03 <Chris82> this isn't working as I want it to though 15:41:12 <Chris82> when I move the map with rightclick it works again now 15:41:23 <Chris82> but when a rail building tool is selected it gets deselected when moving the map 15:41:27 <Chris82> which doesn't happen in trunk 15:42:45 <Chris82> this is how the if looks like if ((_ctrl_pressed && (_cursor.delta.x < 10)) || (_ctrl_pressed && (_cursor.delta.y < 10))) { 15:42:56 <Chris82> so when I ctrl + rightclick a station I see the station spread area 15:43:09 <Chris82> when I just rightclick it I can move the map as normally possible 15:43:22 <Chris82> but any tool selected gets deselected, I don't understand why?! 15:44:16 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B7894E.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [] 15:44:33 *** G_ [~njones@202.154.154.157] has joined #openttd 15:44:42 <frosch123> Did you place it still inside "HandleViewportScroll" ? 15:46:21 *** G [~njones@202.154.154.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:46:23 <Chris82> yeah and I just found a weird error 15:46:44 <frosch123> Then what do you return from HandleViewportScroll? True or False? 15:47:16 <Chris82> 1. ctrl rightclick on station shows spread area ---- 2. I release ctrl and keep rightclicked and still see the area ---- 3. I keep rightclicked and move around the cursor and although the map moves the catchment area also starts to move under my mouse button :D lol 15:47:40 <Chris82> return false; 15:49:23 <Chris82> maybe this whole patch should get it's own function and not fiddle with HandleViewportScroll 15:49:34 <Chris82> I have no idea why the author added it to this function 15:49:53 <frosch123> Because that functions handles right clicks 15:50:23 <frosch123> when inside a landscape viewport 15:50:41 <frosch123> I guess a left click is a lot easier 15:52:14 <Chris82> hmmm well if I do ctrl + click I can use leftclick too if that's easier 15:52:30 <Chris82> the original author didn't use it because leftclick is reserved for opening the station window 15:53:47 <frosch123> Err - wait - you are right. The right click handler should go to MouseLoop 15:54:04 <frosch123> Instead of "_scrolling_viewport = true" 15:58:17 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:01:00 <Chris82> nice :) that solved a few issues already 16:01:20 <Chris82> I can still move away the catchment area with the mouse tho when keeping the buttons clicked 16:01:33 <Chris82> but at least map moving 100% as intended now 16:01:43 <Chris82> works* 16:02:47 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B7894E.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 16:09:08 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-140-146.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:12:02 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a4161c.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:12:04 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 16:13:06 *** frosch123 [~mtce@pascal.math.tu-clausthal.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:14:28 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host240-239-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 16:14:37 <Wolf01> hello 16:15:53 <Chris82> hello 16:17:13 <svip> I thought Wolf01 was German. :O 16:17:41 <Wolf01> no, but i'm stupid if you want 16:17:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, he's stupid... or italian 16:17:44 <Wolf01> ehm... 16:18:06 <svip> What's wrong with Italians? 16:18:08 <svip> HUH? 16:18:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> how should i know? 16:18:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's _his_ signature 16:19:17 <ln-> this is an exceptional channel in the sense that *!*@*.it is not banned. 16:20:22 * TrueBrain sets mod +b *!*@*.it 16:20:24 <TrueBrain> so we fixed that 16:21:22 <ln-> and not even *!*@*.pl 16:21:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> a propos .pl, what happened to MeusH? 16:23:40 *** Greyscale [~greyscale@host86-152-51-2.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:24:28 *** ITSBTH [~e@host-81-191-171-43.bluecom.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:24:38 *** ITSBTH [~e@host-81-191-171-43.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 16:25:19 <Chris82> byebye Supcom time :D 16:27:21 *** KouDy [~KouDy@85.207.64.178] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com] 16:29:06 *** Chris82 [~Chris82@p579E1E86.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- *I* use it, so it must be good!] 16:32:14 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 16:34:07 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause2> a propos .pl, what happened to MeusH? <-- he was arrested by KGB 16:34:28 <Bjarni> for talking with people with capitalistic minds 16:34:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> who? 16:34:46 <svip> KGB. 16:34:54 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-225-081.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:35:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't see any people with capitalitic minds... 16:35:15 <Wolf01> he went to italy and i ate him 16:35:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> +s 16:35:16 <Bjarni> heh. KGB is mentioned and Deathmaker makes a run for it 16:35:41 *** Greyscale [~greyscale@host86-152-51-2.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:35:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's quite suspicious, in one or the other way :p 16:35:49 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't see any people with capitalitic minds... <-- you aren't in a communistic country, which is capitalistic enough 16:36:07 <svip> :O 16:36:16 <svip> But Germany is like federal and stuff. 16:36:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> hey, it's not like it was my choice that my country was stolen underneath me 16:36:34 <Bjarni> that is what they want you to think 16:36:47 <Bjarni> @svip 16:36:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> i live in the same place as before the "change" 16:36:57 <svip> What "change"? 16:37:01 <svip> From red to blue? 16:37:05 <Bjarni> yeah 16:37:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> The Change 16:37:10 <svip> :O 16:37:16 <svip> I have no idea what you're talking about. 16:37:18 <svip> zomg 16:37:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> "Die Wende" is a fixed term in german 16:37:24 <ln-> maybe svip is so young he hasn't heard about it. 16:37:46 <svip> Never known it by the name "The Change". 16:37:49 <Bjarni> sometimes I wonder what svip has heard about :s 16:37:54 <svip> :s 16:39:20 <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause2, you were on the red part? 16:39:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah... 16:39:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> i was like 8 years back then 16:39:45 <svip> Good times. 16:39:57 <Belugas> how did you lived the difference? 16:40:04 <svip> Damnit I miss the Cold War. 16:40:14 <Belugas> was it a good moment? or a frightening one? 16:40:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> difficult to tell 16:40:40 *** Peakki [antti@cs78151004.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 16:41:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> i remember a conversation with my brother, about "being 'western' now does not feel really different" 16:41:29 <svip> Nah. 16:41:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> the most notable change was the switch of the currency 16:41:35 <svip> See Goodbye, Lenin, Belugas. 16:41:39 <svip> It describes it pretty well. 16:41:43 <Bjarni> no... you lowered BRD to your level :P 16:41:45 *** KouDy [user@85.207.64.178] has joined #openttd 16:42:25 <Bjarni> I don't think the DDR+BRD merge and the euro has anything to do with each other 16:42:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> not that currency 16:42:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> the switch from eastern Mark to western Mark 16:43:00 <Belugas> so the new "liberty" gained was not as evident nor appreciated 16:43:05 <svip> Bjarni thought East and West Germany used the same Mark? 16:43:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> around summer 1990, i believe 16:43:18 <Bjarni> I didn't say that 16:43:18 <Belugas> and th "benefits" of it were not affecting you, i guess 16:43:39 <Bjarni> what benefits? 16:43:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, you could get all kinds of new toys (e.g. Lego) 16:44:01 <svip> Oh yeah. 16:44:04 <svip> Here comes the West! 16:44:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> or Matchbox cars 16:44:06 <svip> We got LEGO! 16:44:07 <svip> \o/ 16:44:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, that WAS important at age 8 ;) 16:44:27 <Bjarni> I have had lego for as long as I can remember :D 16:44:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> we also had some basic plastic brick sets, but they were not "cool" ;) 16:45:15 <Belugas> of course :) 16:46:23 <svip> ;) 16:46:40 <svip> I loved that Mittag im West show, Eddi|zuHause2. 16:46:45 <Belugas> my wife and I were following the events at that time. We were glued to the TV. The one question that keep on going on was "How the eastern are feeling the change" 16:46:49 *** KouDy [user@85.207.64.178] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com] 16:47:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> i remember my first lego was a TV broadcast truck 16:47:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, all the political stuff went past me 16:47:58 <Belugas> I can believe that :) 16:48:00 <Belugas> we had suspictions that the TV was not showing both side's opinions accurately 16:48:06 <Belugas> but... 16:48:12 <Belugas> long time... 16:48:28 <Bjarni> <Belugas> we had suspictions that the TV was not showing both side's opinions accurately <-- you mean that they ever do that? 16:48:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, most people in east germany had western TV ;) 16:49:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> (although that was illegal) 16:49:03 <svip> :P 16:49:16 <Bjarni> that's not what I meant 16:49:25 <svip> Bjarni. Check out these cakes. 16:49:29 <svip> http://83.90.32.114/spil/?p=gallery&album=kager 16:49:30 <Bjarni> I meant news in general 16:49:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, i know what you mean 16:51:16 <Bjarni> svip: you can't beat http://www.openttd.org/images/screens/r10000/r10000.png 16:52:52 *** iPandaMojo [~panda@c-67-183-216-154.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:53:00 <svip> Pfft. 16:53:16 <svip> That is just eatable paper, Bjarni. 16:54:27 *** iPandaMojo [~panda@c-67-183-216-154.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [] 16:54:42 *** iPandaMojo [~panda@c-67-183-216-154.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:55:15 * Bjarni holds on to iPandaMojo 16:55:19 <Bjarni> hi iPandaMojo 16:55:27 <TrueBrain> hmm, why is EveOnline always so tempting to start playing... 16:55:30 <iPandaMojo> morning 16:55:30 <Bjarni> this time you stay long enough for a greeting 16:55:34 <TrueBrain> for sure when I do, I can't leave it alone... 16:55:56 <iPandaMojo> IRC client autoupdate and restart ;) 16:57:05 <Bjarni> hmmm 16:57:09 <Bjarni> ...morning 16:57:13 <Bjarni> is it morning already? 16:57:27 <iPandaMojo> here it is 16:57:32 <iPandaMojo> 9:57am 16:57:37 <iPandaMojo> It's a conspiracy I tell you 16:57:47 <svip> Timezones? 16:57:50 <svip> Yeah. 16:57:51 <Bjarni> no 16:57:56 <svip> I think the idea of timezones are stupid. 16:58:02 <svip> We should all be using the same timezone. 16:58:07 <Bjarni> temporal anomaly 16:58:30 <iPandaMojo> Flatten the earth! 16:58:38 <svip> Nono. 16:58:53 <svip> I mean... do I have to go to bed because it is four in the morning or starting to get light outside? 16:58:55 <svip> The latter. 16:58:57 <Bjarni> well... we do work towards reducing the number of timezones 16:59:02 <svip> So what if that was four in the evening. 16:59:29 <Bjarni> when the East coast-Chigago railroad was built, it crossed around 100 timezones 16:59:52 <Bjarni> nobody could figure that out, so the railroads managed to get the number of timezones reduced 17:00:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> similar story in germany 17:00:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> although it was only like 6 timezones 17:01:30 <Belugas> 17:01:30 <Belugas> Canada uses six primary time zones 17:01:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> the problem was that it was impossible to figure out when trains were gonna meet by just looking at the timetable 17:02:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> because between two stops, there could be a 5 minute time difference 17:02:22 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has joined #openttd 17:03:36 <Bjarni> yeah 17:04:38 <Bjarni> before the railroads, it was ok to declare 12:00 as the time when the sun was at max height.... walking and horses are too slow to catch up with the sun and watches was not that accurate back then, so you had to correct them anyway 17:05:37 <ln-> they could have simply used NTP 17:05:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> clocks were mostly stationary at that time, i believe 17:05:40 <Bjarni> once the steam engine pulled a train at 50 km/h or maybe even more then people were able to move faster than the inaccuracy in watches and it was more important to know the minutes as well 17:06:25 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause2> clocks were mostly stationary at that time, i believe <-- they had watches that could be moved, but they lost or gained time so fast that they had to correct the time on them every day using a stationary clock as reference 17:07:24 <Bjarni> so when you walked from town to town, when you reached a town with a stationary clock you corrected your own (if you were one of the few, who had one) 17:07:36 <Bjarni> so timezones made no sense back then 17:09:05 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:09:20 <Bjarni> The railroad in Sweden solved the problem in a different way. They declared Göteborg time as "railroad time" so they didn't have to wait for anybody else to agree on their decision. Don't ask me why they picked Göteborg though 17:09:59 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 17:10:26 <Bjarni> as a result, you could see timetables that was say 10 or 15 minutes behind the time in the town of question and the clock on the station was behind all other clocks in the town 17:11:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> on what longitude is Göteborg? 17:12:13 <Bjarni> hmm 17:12:20 <Bjarni> it's on the westcoast 17:12:30 <Bjarni> so the far western part of Sweden 17:12:49 <Bjarni> don't ask me why they didn't pick anything in the middle or Stockholm 17:13:33 *** KouDy [~KouDy@85.207.64.178] has joined #openttd 17:14:11 <Bjarni> 11°59'10.86"E according to google earth 17:16:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> that is not even close to the 15° that was taken as reference later 17:16:30 <ln-> there's nothing but forest and lakes and a few dalahÀstar in the middle. 17:17:10 <Bjarni> yeah, but then it wouldn't be 24 minutes away from Stockholm 17:17:14 <nairan> http://www.transbuddha.com/mediaHolder.php?id=2261 =) 17:18:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> but maybe the decision was made like this so local times only vary in one direction 17:18:12 <Bjarni> could be 17:18:42 <Wolf01> Eddi|zuHause2, could you help me to find an out of bound exception? http://rafb.net/p/XGL5gB28.html 17:19:06 <Bjarni> hmm 17:20:00 <Bjarni> Göteborg is fairly close to Helsingborn and Malmö (in longitude), so one could argue that it's the time of a great part of the population 17:20:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> Wolf01: unrelated, but maybe you should not assert() on user input... 17:20:24 <Bjarni> as if I recall correctly they are all on top 5 of population of Swedish towns 17:20:49 <Bjarni> nairan: wtf is that and how is it related to openttd or the topic? 17:21:48 <nairan> it was related to sweden ==) 17:22:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> Wolf01: line 64 is probably incorrect 17:22:16 * Bjarni fails to see the connection to 19th century Sweden 17:22:35 <Wolf01> line 64 is a comment 17:22:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> you add code_length unconditionally, but "//" is way shorter 17:22:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> i += code_length; 17:23:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> that is line 64 here 17:23:27 <Wolf01> oh, yes 17:23:28 <iPandaMojo> "if (length = 0)" will always be false, too. 17:23:33 <Wolf01> the other 64 17:24:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> 57: length = i + text.find("/", i); <- the i+ looks wrong here 17:27:05 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0F88C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:27:49 <Wolf01> and this time i aided myself with a drawing... think if not 17:29:39 <SmatZ> assert(i++ < slength); 17:29:53 <SmatZ> it will cause i++ when debugging, no i++ when debug is off 17:30:14 <SmatZ> i+1 should be there 17:30:37 <Wolf01> yes, thank you, i'm an idiot 17:31:28 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57A0F305.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:37:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> or the i++ before the assert 17:38:30 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0D47F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:39:12 <Wolf01> dinner 17:42:18 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0F88C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:48:55 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0CB6B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:52:43 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0D47F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:58:33 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:02:18 *** Greyscale [~greyscale@host86-152-51-2.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:08:34 *** Darkebie [~dkb@d5153D5CD.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: VIP Gill ;D] 18:10:50 *** Red [Red@71-10-84-229.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:22:39 *** Farden123 [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-43-3.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 18:26:02 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:29:28 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-127-144.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:29:28 *** Farden123 is now known as Farden 18:32:46 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-135-141.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 18:33:00 <Wolf01> if (length = 0) <---------- 8====D 18:33:00 <Wolf01> this was one error... THE error 18:33:43 <SmatZ> :-) 18:34:00 <SmatZ> most compilers will give warning about that one 18:37:02 <Wolf01> http://rafb.net/p/9cE2qj68.html and now it doesn't bitch if there aren't colorcodes 18:38:20 <SmatZ> so does it work? 18:38:37 <Wolf01> do you want a screen? 18:38:49 <SmatZ> I don't know what I should expect 18:39:03 <Wolf01> many thanks to you all, i think i wouldn't succeed to make it work without your help :D 18:39:08 <SmatZ> :-) 18:39:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> you can't expect me to spot that kind of errors :p 18:39:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's one of the reasons why i hate the C syntax 18:40:20 <Wolf01> http://wolf01.game-host.org/framework/framework.PNG 18:40:32 <Wolf01> (the background borders are for debug) 18:40:50 <SmatZ> err... nice :-D what is it good for? 18:41:15 <Wolf01> nothing, i'm testing some functions 18:41:53 <Wolf01> me and a friend of mine are planning to make a sort of gamemaker in c++ 18:42:44 <Wolf01> i'm working on some lame drawing functions while he is working on the objects and events 18:43:47 <SmatZ> :-D 18:44:01 <SmatZ> wouldn't you like to fix ottd bugs instead? ;-) 18:44:22 <Wolf01> that is really more difficult than this 18:45:08 <Wolf01> and i think you already noticed that i really need some time to fix also the most idiot error 18:48:21 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0CC2A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:48:33 *** ITSBTH [~e@host-81-191-171-43.bluecom.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:48:40 *** ITSBTH [~e@host-81-191-171-43.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 18:52:08 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0CB6B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:53:46 *** McHawk [~hawk@p5489CFFD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:01:47 *** Peakki [antti@cs78151004.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: LÀhdössÀ] 19:02:02 <Wolf01> ok, for this week is enough for that project, now again at work to the fast gui for ottd :) 19:05:25 *** redmonkey [~redmonkey@p54A06368.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:06:41 *** Darkebie [~dkb@d5153D5CD.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:08:38 <Wolf01> what's changed in the sources? the compiler took 6 minutes to compile all 19:09:56 <SmatZ> since when? 19:10:10 <Wolf01> yesterday 19:11:08 <SmatZ> I don't know, it never takes me 6 mins to compile... 19:11:10 <SmatZ> nor today 19:13:19 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: www.sexybiggetje.nl] 19:14:49 *** Greyscale [~greyscale@host86-152-51-2.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:40:13 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:43:27 *** iPandaMojo [~panda@c-67-183-216-154.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: iPandaMojo] 19:48:09 *** redmonkey [~redmonkey@p54A06368.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: quit] 19:48:57 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82540.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: system is entering sleep mode] 19:53:15 <Wolf01> in the windows desc struct is possible to set variable coordinates? 20:00:01 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:03:28 *** iPandaMojo [~panda@c-67-183-216-154.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:03:33 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B7894E.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:05:21 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-234.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: brb] 20:05:23 <Sacro> the openttd wikipedia page wasn't written by an englishman 20:05:33 <Sacro> As of begin 2007, the code is converted to C++, with 0.6 as first version based on the C++ code. 20:05:58 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B7894E.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 20:08:36 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82540.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:08:39 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 20:09:37 *** iBitch [~me@h204n3c1o1114.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:12:55 <Greyscale> Gotta go nao! 20:13:15 *** Greyscale [~greyscale@host86-152-51-2.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:13:45 <Wolf01> 'night 20:13:50 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host240-239-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:24:53 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-234.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 20:28:23 *** KouDy [~KouDy@85.207.64.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:31:35 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-226-227.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:31:46 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-226-227.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 20:33:36 *** Greyscale [~greyscale@host86-152-51-2.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:40:28 *** Arpad96 [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:40:55 *** iPandaMojo [~panda@c-67-183-216-154.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: iPandaMojo] 20:41:38 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DF27.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:44:54 *** Arpad96 [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:45:36 *** DeGhosty [~c4command@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:45:39 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:49:10 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: www.sexybiggetje.nl] 20:54:06 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:54:59 <TrueBrain> Sacro: no, it was written by me, but nobody seemed to be able to correct me... 20:55:35 <TrueBrain> Sacro: but feel free to edit it ;) 20:55:57 <TrueBrain> (btw, using one line of text as proof one person wrote it, is a bad idea ;)) 21:04:33 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: seems #openttd.notice is broken, it doesn't give any message about FS updates 21:04:42 <SmatZ> could you do something with that? 21:04:43 <SmatZ> please 21:05:06 <TrueBrain> now aint that weird... 21:05:47 <TrueBrain> my client said _42_ had +v 21:05:56 <TrueBrain> oftc-servers said he had not 21:05:57 <TrueBrain> weird :p 21:06:02 <SmatZ> :-) 21:08:40 <SmatZ> git.openttd.org - 403 Forbidden :-( 21:09:47 <TrueBrain> that is weird 21:16:46 *** DorpsGek [truelight@81.171.98.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:17:08 *** _42_ [truelight@81.171.98.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:18:26 *** Belugas [belugas@81.171.98.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:19:11 *** Pulseh [~chatzilla@86.25.17.139] has joined #openttd 21:19:16 *** TrueBrain [truelight@81.171.98.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:24:40 *** DeGhosty [~c4command@CPE0040caacdf99-CM0011ae8a728e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 21:26:43 *** DorpsGek [truelight@81.171.98.110] has joined #openttd 21:26:44 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 21:28:02 *** _42_ [truelight@81.171.98.110] has joined #openttd 21:29:03 *** Pulseh [~chatzilla@86.25.17.139] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]] 21:30:16 *** TrueBrain [truelight@81.171.98.110] has joined #openttd 21:30:27 <TrueBrain> I am back! :p 21:30:42 <SmatZ> great 21:31:18 <SmatZ> and all your services work too :-) 21:31:33 <TrueBrain> yup 21:32:11 <SmatZ> _42_ will need +v 21:32:16 <SmatZ> what happened? 21:32:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11102 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: remove some pointless addition+substractions. Patch by frosch. 21:32:52 <TrueBrain> for once in my life: no idea 21:33:12 <svip> :O 21:33:17 <svip> UNPOSSIBLE! 21:33:24 <SmatZ> yes :-) 21:33:43 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D363.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:35:36 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11103 /trunk/src/viewport.cpp: -Codechange: remove pointless comparison as it can never ever be true (unless you've got at least 3 bit errors and then you're screwed anyway). Patch by frosch. 21:35:47 <SmatZ> funny, "every recursive algorithm can be rewritten not to use recursion, by using some stack" 21:36:43 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DF27.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:37:14 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11104 /trunk/src/viewport.cpp: -Fix: bounding boxes also overlap when the min of a bounding box is equal to the max of another bounding box. Patch by frosch. 21:38:33 <Rubidium> that's called "hiding the recursion" 21:39:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> SmatZ: what's so spectacular about that? 21:40:07 <SmatZ> it is funny, because it is useless - if you emulate stack in software (that stack where local variables are stored), you will ratther get worse performance than when you let it done by hardware 21:40:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> especially, since recursion is usually implemented by using a stack 21:40:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> this is totally not about "performance" 21:40:37 <SmatZ> not talking about need to malloc() and realloc() the stack as it is growing... 21:41:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> you think way too fixed on C 21:41:11 <SmatZ> I know I am not good in telling jokes... maybe things that are funny for me are not funny for others, too :-P 21:41:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> you need to think about it from a theoretical point 21:41:39 <SmatZ> any (almost) operating system has some kind of malloc() 21:42:05 <SmatZ> thery - when calling a function, the local variables are stored in a stack, that is hardware managed 21:42:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> now go programming in lamba calculus 21:42:31 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause2: that still has recursion 21:42:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> i know 21:42:51 <SmatZ> ok, there may be languages that don't allow recursion... 21:42:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> technically, that is pure recursion :p 21:44:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> SmatZ: still, you cannot judge a mean of theoretical computer science by its first glance appearance in context of a "real world" computer 21:46:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> e.g. in our theoretical computer science class, we inroduced two completely different programming languages 21:46:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> first, the "primitive recursion" 21:46:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> that is more or less a simplification of functional languages 21:47:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> second, the "loop language" 21:47:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> that is more or less a simplification of imperative languages 21:47:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> and then you have to prove that both languages can solve the same class of problems 21:48:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> (note, they are both not turing capable) 21:49:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> (for that, you need to extend the first one by "search for first 0" and the second by a "while not 0") 21:50:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> (we actually extended the second language by "if 0 goto LABEL") 21:50:50 <SmatZ> I studied a bit different things than you 21:50:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> this is totally not about "performance", it is about "what is the most simple representation so we can prove anything" 21:51:51 <SmatZ> so - all that recursion does is that it stores actual frame (local variables and instruction pointer), and adjusts stack pointer, and jumps somewhere 21:52:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> if you have proven a theorem about stacks, you can use the above sentence to generically reduce any recursive problem to stacks, and transfer the theorem easily to recursion 21:52:06 <SmatZ> exactly the same that would be done using software emulated stack 21:53:23 <SmatZ> I cannot prove you are wrong because I don't know the exact meaning of words you are using 21:53:46 <SmatZ> I do not say you are wrong 21:53:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> e.g. if you have a way to prove that a stack can never exceed X elements, you can reduce a recursive program to stacks, and then prove that your algorithm never exceeds recursion level X 21:55:10 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11105 /trunk/src/ (viewport.cpp viewport.h): -Codechange [FS#1223]: add some support for tuning of the bounding boxes for some special cases (like tunnels and bridges). Patch by frosch. 21:59:57 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause2: nice you like the theory 22:00:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> i do indeed ;) 22:00:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> practical programming is nasty :p 22:01:23 <SmatZ> yes, it is :-D except ottd and some other projects ;-) 22:04:31 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B7894E.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [] 22:16:28 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@cpc2-oxfd9-0-0-cust317.oxfd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:16:35 <Dreamxtreme> Evening 22:16:39 <Dreamxtreme> im got probs 22:16:43 <Dreamxtreme> ive 22:16:52 <SmatZ> hello 22:16:55 <SmatZ> what problems? 22:17:12 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82540.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:17:14 <Dreamxtreme> my server isn't displaying in Openttd but is on the servers page 22:17:55 <SmatZ> do you have all needed ports unblocked? 22:17:58 <TrueBrain> you host your own server? 22:18:10 <TrueBrain> and the server is on the same computer you try to find it as client? 22:18:10 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-43-3.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 22:18:16 <Dreamxtreme> yes theres only 1 port as far as i can tell 22:18:23 <Dreamxtreme> and yes i run my own 22:18:37 <Dreamxtreme> yes 22:18:45 <TrueBrain> Dreamxtreme: it happens on some routers that you can't reach your own server via your external IP 22:18:45 <Dreamxtreme> it was there a min ago 22:18:56 <Dreamxtreme> but i restarted it and now its not 22:18:56 <TrueBrain> as long as other clients can see you, you should be fine ;) 22:19:17 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8204D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:19:17 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 22:19:48 <Dreamxtreme> yes but i want to play it as well! 22:19:51 <TrueBrain> and you show up on the list here just fine 22:19:58 <TrueBrain> Dreamxtreme: select LAN in the select box, and it will show up 22:20:08 <Dreamxtreme> hmm 22:20:20 <Dreamxtreme> ok but it did show up b4 i restarted it 22:21:54 <Rubidium> the problem is that most (if not all) cheap (=dsl/cable) routers do not perform the portforwarding rules when the traffic is coming from the internal network, i.e. it is most likely that your router does not support it 22:22:07 <Dreamxtreme> right o off to play !!UK TTD! all welcome 22:22:19 <Dreamxtreme> hmm it did 22:22:42 <TrueBrain> Dreamxtreme: oh well... as long as we can find your server ;) 22:23:07 <Dreamxtreme> right o 22:23:37 <Dreamxtreme> cheers 22:23:44 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@cpc2-oxfd9-0-0-cust317.oxfd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 22:25:15 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r11106 /trunk/src/ (fileio.cpp fileio.h newgrf_config.cpp): 22:25:15 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Add: added .tar support; you can pack all files in your data/ dir in how ever 22:25:15 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: many .tar files you like, keeping the dir-structure equal to the unpacked 22:25:15 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: version, and OpenTTD can handle them just like the files were unpacked 22:25:15 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Note: useful for GRF-packs and 32bpp PNGs. Don't forget to keep the dir-structure alive for 32bpp PNGs! 22:25:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Note: file-loading-order: search-paths, .tar-files in the order found on disk (can be anything at all, don't depend on it.. use 'openttd -d1' to see which order they are added) 22:27:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11107 /trunk/ (15 files in 3 dirs): 22:27:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Feature: some tool so one can still build tunnels under rails (and other 22:27:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: structures) when the owner of the structure built it on foundations and if you 22:27:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: have enough "empty" space ofcourse. One could use the tool for some other 22:27:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: construction needs too. Patch by frosch. 22:30:22 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@121-72-235-8.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #openttd 22:33:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> that is another one of those really cryptic messages 22:33:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> meaning there could be a big ass feature behind it :p 22:33:48 <SmatZ> yes, I wonder what that feature is 22:33:49 <TrueBrain> I thought my commit was pretty clear ;) 22:34:01 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: your commit was clear and very useful :) 22:34:10 <SmatZ> I was talking about frosch's patch 22:34:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> your commit was unimportant then :p 22:34:18 <TrueBrain> ooowwwhhh! Really?! :p 22:34:31 <TrueBrain> I even made a nice tt-forums post... :( :( 22:35:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11108 /trunk/src/autoslope.h: -Fix (r11107): somebody forgot to add some file ;) Spoils the fun of the previous cryptic message though. 22:35:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> am i understanding the commit correctly as you can now build tunnels under foundations, but that does not count for tunnel entrances (yet)? 22:37:03 <TrueBrain> [funny noise]oh jeeh, Eddi|zuHause2, you got to be briliant! I will call you Pinky now[/funny noise] 22:37:09 <SmatZ> seems if you build a tunnel under foudation, the foundation disappears and the land will be levelled 22:39:14 *** Belugas [belugas@81.171.98.110] has joined #openttd 22:40:26 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-155-227.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:41:55 <SmatZ> the behaviour of flooded airports in 0.5 is really nice - the aircrafts keep exploding when they are on the airport :) 22:41:59 <SmatZ> nice to watch 22:42:50 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as TruePinky 22:42:56 <TruePinky> better now? :p 22:43:08 <glx> lol 22:43:57 *** TruePinky is now known as Eddi|zuHause 22:44:08 <Eddi|zuHause> having a different nick scares me... 22:44:19 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 22:44:21 <SmatZ> the patch does something different - similiar to the original autoslope patch, you may just lower land everywhere (eg. next to houses, industries) and raise land when there are foundations 22:45:09 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: that's why it's called autoslope :p 22:45:12 <SmatZ> not next to unmovables 22:45:17 <SmatZ> yes :) 22:45:28 <SmatZ> I just didn't know it was called autoslope 22:45:39 <SmatZ> from the description of commit 22:46:19 <Eddi|zuHause> the cryptic message shouted "autoslope" all over the place, hence my initial reaction ;) 22:46:48 <SmatZ> [00:28:36] <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11107 /trunk/ (15 files in 3 dirs): 22:46:52 <SmatZ> do you mean this commit? 22:47:00 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, that one 22:47:31 <SmatZ> rofl 22:47:34 <Eddi|zuHause> if you remember the kind of messages for one way roads, or for trams 22:47:42 <SmatZ> it is buggy 22:47:49 <SmatZ> if you lower land under industry 22:48:02 <SmatZ> your tunnel may end in the center of an industry 22:48:03 <Eddi|zuHause> i think bridges over everything also had such a cryptic message, but i am not sure ;) 22:48:09 <SmatZ> :-D 22:49:22 <SmatZ> *** glibc detected *** ./openttd: double free or corruption (!prev): 0x000000000 22:49:23 <SmatZ> :-x 22:51:59 <SmatZ> http://88.146.45.107/ttd/autoslope-bug.png 22:52:41 <SmatZ> actually not bug with autoslope... 22:52:51 *** ITSBTH [~e@host-81-191-171-43.bluecom.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:53:30 <Eddi|zuHause> imho, you should not be able to lower land under industry anyway.. but it's more likely that tunnel building is broken 22:53:53 <SmatZ> yes 22:54:09 <SmatZ> it doesn't expect there may be lowered land under something 22:54:31 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 22:54:33 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-140-146.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 22:59:10 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DF27.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:02:20 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:03:42 <SmatZ> I am just giving info about problems at FS, as I don't have time to solve them... 23:03:46 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r11109 /trunk/src/ (fileio.cpp fileio.h): -Fix r11106: it is silly to use a std::list for something that is cleary a std::vector (less memory ;) WHOHO!) 23:04:13 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: you are certainly in a good mood:) 23:04:22 <TrueBrain> I just saved sizeof(void *) bytes per tar-file!!! 23:04:33 <TrueBrain> I mean, come on, with 20 tarfiles that is a while 160 bytes on my computer! 23:04:55 <TrueBrain> it scares me to think that I would keep those bytes unused... 23:05:02 <TrueBrain> bad me! BAD ME! 23:05:06 <SmatZ> and even 40 bytes on a standard 32bit machine! 23:05:45 <SmatZ> no kidding, you did a nice job, every byte counts (truly) 23:06:00 <SmatZ> *80bytes 23:06:33 <TrueBrain> :) I thought it was nice for a difference :) 23:06:34 <Eddi|zuHause> i think in bigger dimensions... 23:07:43 <Eddi|zuHause> meaning O(1) really does not make a difference usually :p 23:08:09 <TrueBrain> this is O(n) 23:08:19 <TrueBrain> if we would search 23:08:20 <TrueBrain> lol 23:08:20 <TrueBrain> nevermind 23:08:23 <TrueBrain> I should stop talking 23:09:34 <SmatZ> I wonder who is going to win the r11111 prize :) 23:09:38 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean O(1) in terms of file size... you did not really modify the number of files 23:09:52 <TrueBrain> ah ;) 23:10:04 <SmatZ> O(n) in terms of number of open files 23:10:26 <SmatZ> hmmm 23:10:32 <Eddi|zuHause> "prize" as in "give a round for everyone in this channel"? 23:10:37 <SmatZ> I should'n talk English :-) 23:10:54 <SmatZ> oh .... 23:11:00 <SmatZ> I really shouldn't 23:11:29 <SmatZ> I don't know :) it would be nice to have a free beer 23:19:56 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-52-58.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 23:20:56 *** Arpad96 [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:21:52 <Eddi|zuHause> free beer costs 5⬠23:22:10 <TrueBrain> on average 23:22:20 *** Arpad96 [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 23:22:27 <SmatZ> that's way too expensive 23:23:08 <SmatZ> in a pub, I can have free beer for as low as ,5 Euro, and in a shop... maybe for ,25 E :) 23:23:12 <Eddi|zuHause> that's a line from a movie 23:23:17 <SmatZ> ah 23:23:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i think it was 5DM actually, but you know... they call it Teuro for a reason :p 23:24:13 <SmatZ> :-D 23:24:46 <SmatZ> when Euro came, the only change was rewriting DM -> E, and prices stood the same? 23:24:49 <SmatZ> :) 23:25:32 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a4161c.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:25:46 <Eddi|zuHause> that's what some people keep telling at least 23:26:14 <Eddi|zuHause> same written price means almost twice real price 23:26:35 <Eddi|zuHause> exchange ratio is 1,95DM = 1 23:26:39 <Eddi|zuHause> ⬠23:27:25 <SmatZ> it was rather cheap DM and expensive USD that time... earlier it was rather 1USD = 30CZK, 1DM=20CZK... 23:27:26 <DeGhosty> free beer for a price 23:27:30 <DeGhosty> how is that free? 23:27:42 <SmatZ> now 1E = 29CZK, 1USD=20CZK :) 23:27:46 <Eddi|zuHause> means the "lower folk" rounds that to 2:1, which is part of the reason why everything feels more expensive 23:27:50 <SmatZ> dollars are really chap now 23:28:00 <SmatZ> yes... 23:28:10 <SmatZ> DeGhosty: it is a joke 23:28:21 <Eddi|zuHause> DeGhosty: they call it a joke :p 23:29:03 <DeGhosty> joke? 23:29:06 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, dollar dropped a lot in the last 5 years 23:29:18 <DeGhosty> that's good 23:29:22 <DeGhosty> i just drive down to usa 23:29:26 <DeGhosty> and everything is cheaper 23:29:28 <DeGhosty> WAHAHA 23:29:43 <Eddi|zuHause> "down" from where? 23:31:10 <DeGhosty> heaven 23:31:11 <DeGhosty> canada 23:32:13 <SmatZ> :-) 23:32:31 <Eddi|zuHause> that did not help in narrowing down the choices :p 23:36:33 <svip> DeGhosty: Who is USA most important neighbour to the north? 23:37:04 <SmatZ> hmmmm it is Friday, I am home, preparing for exams... and listening to music I would likt to listen to somewhere else :-p 23:37:51 *** Name101__ [~Name101@CPE-121-216-143-142.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:38:25 <DeGhosty> atlaska 23:38:32 <DeGhosty> i mean santaclause 23:38:42 <DeGhosty> gb? 23:38:50 <DeGhosty> greenland? 23:39:03 <svip> b? 23:39:09 <Eddi|zuHause> texas!!! 23:39:09 <svip> Sounds like Great Britain. 23:43:46 *** Darkebie [~dkb@d5153D5CD.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: VIP Gill ;D] 23:44:39 <Eddi|zuHause> "I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so because, uh, some people out there in our nation donât have maps, and, uh, I believe that our education like such as in South Africa and, uh, the Iraq everywhere like, such as and I believe that they should, our education over here in the US should help the US, er, should help South Africa and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries, so we will be able to build up our 23:44:39 <Eddi|zuHause> future for our children." 23:44:56 *** N101 [~Name101@CPE-121-216-143-142.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:45:13 <glx> I saw that on youtube 23:45:37 <SmatZ> yes... didn't say that some miss? 23:45:52 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-234.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:46:23 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, Miss Teen South Carolina 23:46:41 <Eddi|zuHause> i saw that on either Jay Leno or Conan o'Brien 23:46:49 <Eddi|zuHause> or probably both :p 23:47:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r11110 /trunk/projects/ (openttd.vcproj openttd_vs80.vcproj): -Fix (r11107): somebody forgot to update project files ;) 23:54:11 *** N101 [~Name101@CPE-121-216-143-142.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd