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Log for #openttd on 18th September 2007:
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00:09:21  <Eddi|zuHause2> i have an idea...
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00:09:42  <Eddi|zuHause2> DorpsGek should kick automatically on "!password" or "!players"
00:09:59  <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause2: could be an idea ;)
00:10:36  <Eddi|zuHause2> you have a highlight on DorpsGek or something? :p
00:11:13  <Eddi|zuHause2> or are you just randomly watching this empty channel at 2AM? :p
00:11:27  <TrueBrain> no, I wondered which idiot talks in this channel at 2AM :p
00:11:44  <TrueBrain> @calc 10 16 1073741824
00:11:44  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Error: invalid syntax (line 1)
00:11:47  <TrueBrain> @base 10 16 1073741824
00:11:47  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 40000000
00:11:49  <TrueBrain> hmm
00:11:51  <Eddi|zuHause2> that makes two of us :p
00:12:31  <TrueBrain> this idiotic protocol sends in BE :(
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00:13:24  <Eddi|zuHause2> !calc ibase=16;40
00:13:25  <_42_> Eddi|zuHause2: 64;
00:13:58  <TrueBrain> @base 10 16 1182866488
00:13:58  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 46811C38
00:14:02  <TrueBrain> hmm, now that is very odd
00:14:22  <Eddi|zuHause2> no, it is even...
00:14:54  <TrueBrain> I am making a server for Earth and Beyond ;)
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00:17:33  <Eddi|zuHause2> hm, this is totally weird... when i access the DVD drive, it spins down, and when it is idle for a while, it spins up and has constant speed...
00:17:46  <TrueBrain> inverted ;)
00:19:04  <Eddi|zuHause2> i hdparam -y'ed it, hopefully it stays quiet now
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00:30:15  <TrueBrain> night all
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01:14:35  <DaleStan> Rubidium: For historical reasons, standard callback results in the range FF00..FFFF are always truncated to 00..FF, regardless of whether the callback is 8 or 15 bit. Calculated results in that range (and in the 7Fxx range, since the high bit is always cleared) however, are only truncated to 00..FF in 8-bit callbacks.
01:14:35  <DaleStan> Rubidium: It appears, on further investigation, that your patch only truncates the calculated results for 8-bit callbacks, and does not truncate standard (nvar !=0) results. Both truncations are required. I can't figure out where Resolve* handles standard callback results, so I can't determine whether Open does this properly or not.
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01:37:35  <Phazorx> DorpsGek should kick automatically on "!password" or "!players" < that's not nice, make them join #openttdcoop instead :)
01:38:28  <Eddi|zuHause3> well, after the first couple dozen times, they hopefully learn that themselves :p
01:40:38  <Phazorx> i do that ocasionaly
01:42:28  <Eddi|zuHause3> i know :p
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07:24:21  <Wolf01> hello
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13:18:23  <dihedral> hello
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15:10:00  <mcbane> afternoon!
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15:47:59  <esco> afternoon...
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15:56:05  <mcbane> =)
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16:52:47  <Wickedgenius> Hey does anyone know wherei can goto learn how to make new industries ready for thepatch when it comes out
16:53:37  <glx> Wickedgenius: http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=NewGraphicsSpecs
16:53:50  <Wickedgenius> thank you
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17:49:15  <Nite> hi
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17:50:22  <mcbane> hi nite
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17:53:42  <Bjarni> mcbane: in case you are confused: my name is Bjarni, not nite ;)
17:53:48  <mcbane> hmm the song watermelon man fits totaly into ottd.
17:53:52  <mcbane> =D
17:54:05  <mcbane> he joind a sec before yer.
17:54:14  <Bjarni> I didn't notice
17:54:23  <mcbane> you couldnt.
17:54:52  <Rubidium> mcbane: he could've noticed
17:55:28  <Bjarni> for all you know, I could know everything
17:55:34  <mcbane> hes not very talkactive.
17:55:48  <Bjarni> who is "he"?
17:55:51  <mcbane> nite
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17:56:30  <Rubidium> I meant mister Corfitzen
18:02:10  <Belugas> DaleStan:  I was wondering what you call "standard" vs "calculated" call back resulst.  Seems a bit esoterical to me
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18:13:22  <mcbane> nite
18:13:27  <mcbane> ups wrong
18:13:35  <Ammler> glx: your patch seems to have fixed my server, no assert since then.
18:14:49  <Nite> im also in other channel
18:15:47  <Nite> and i do know very few bout programming
18:16:21  <_minime_> [19:51] <mcbane> hmm the song watermelon man fits totaly into ottd -- Man, that's so true, I thought the same thing when I first heard it
18:17:41  <mcbane> but ya cant use it for ottd since its protected by owner/writer.
18:17:50  <_minime_> oh i know
18:18:20  <_minime_> although nobody can prevent you from putting it into your own copy of ottd ;)
18:19:09  <mcbane> yea
18:20:51  <Bjarni> what is it with that watermelon man?
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18:34:45  <glx> Ammler: it should just print extra thing when it asserts, so I don't call that a fix
18:35:16  <Ammler> :), I know
18:35:39  <glx> but of course when you add debug stuff it doesn't fail ;)
18:35:49  <Ammler> I just wondered, thats not happen now
18:36:08  <Rubidium> let me guess, you're running gentoo or so?
18:36:22  <Ammler> me?
18:36:26  <Rubidium> or are trying to make OTTD with Gentoo-ish settings
18:36:30  <Rubidium> yes, you
18:36:36  <Ammler> Suse
18:36:41  <Rubidium> or at least the computer where you compiled it on
18:37:05  <Rubidium> might be compiled with -O3
18:37:27  <Ammler> hmm, don't use any attributes
18:37:43  <Eddi|zuHause3> what is wrong with -O3?
18:38:04  <Ammler> Rubidium: do you know, what Problem I had?
18:38:30  <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause3: people have had problems with -O3 compiled binaries when they would not have them when compiled with -O2
18:38:52  <Ammler> (assert at src/network/core/packets.cpp around 279, if I remember right
18:39:03  <Rubidium> Ammler: some assertion triggering that is only triggered when somebody messed up the protocol
18:40:23  <Ammler> strange was the problem happens with and without clients connected
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18:41:21  <Ammler> and I did not patch with clients patch or something like that :)
18:41:30  <glx> http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/Send_string_debug.diff <-- this is the patch applied
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18:55:58  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11126 /trunk/src/newgrf_industries.cpp: -Fix: the algorithm to determine the closest water/land was flawed.
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20:13:07  <mcbane> yea
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20:29:00  <Bjarni> no
20:29:28  <Eddi|zuHause3> don't destroy my imaginations!
20:30:15  <ln-> what to do on a late sunday night in germany?
20:30:50  <Eddi|zuHause3> how should i know?
20:31:20  <ln-> i didn't ask you specifically.
20:31:44  <Bjarni> how should I know?
20:31:54  <ln-> because you're an op.
20:32:00  <Bjarni> good point
20:32:10  <Bjarni> well
20:32:22  <Bjarni> you can lock yourself in a room and jerk off
20:32:53  <Bjarni> you can also do it on the street, but I wouldn't recommend that
20:33:26  <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause3> don't destroy my imaginations! <-- is there anything to destroy?
20:33:56  <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, certainly... i just am not sure exactly what...
20:34:11  <Eddi|zuHause3> was that even english?
20:34:25  <Rubidium> as Eddi|zuHause3 seems to be German(-ish) and he doesn't know what to do on sunday nights in Germany, he isn't in Germany on sunday nights, so I guess that's the best to do on synday nights, i.e. not being in Germany.
20:34:48  <Bjarni> yeah
20:34:59  <Bjarni> that goes for all other times as well though
20:36:33  <Eddi|zuHause3> well, i learned that sunday was the day where you stay at home and spend time with your family
20:37:02  <Eddi|zuHause3> since your home is not in germany, i would not know what you would want there then...
20:37:32  <Eddi|zuHause3> saturday is the day where you go out and do ... stuff ...
20:37:48  <Bjarni> so what do you do in Germany on a Saturday?
20:37:53  <ln-> it is within possible limits to be in the netherlands on sunday evening, too.
20:38:28  <Bjarni> hmm
20:38:40  <ln-> but not next sunday, no.
20:38:51  <Bjarni> I did the same thing the whole weekend, both Saturday and Sunday
20:40:00  <Bjarni> would that make me a bad German?
20:40:33  <Eddi|zuHause3> i don't know, but being danish would make you a bad german, though :p
20:40:56  <Bjarni> mission successful
20:42:23  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11127 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_callbacks.h newgrf_spritegroup.cpp): -Fix: truncate the result of 8 bits callbacks.
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20:50:10  <Wolf01> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=276421 yeah
20:52:44  <Bjarni> looks like we better make those for the brickland graphics :)
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20:58:23  <Wolf01> http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1062/1370060834_c4e367a172.jpg?v=0 :o brickland
21:00:59  <mcbane> lego!
21:01:01  <Bjarni> either it's somebody with a whole lot of lego or it's faked
21:01:26  <Bjarni> I hope for the first, but I think the latter is the truth
21:01:54  <mcbane> the ground are small plates of lego with matchboxes below.
21:02:05  <mcbane> or so
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21:02:39  <mcbane> or something hollow.
21:02:46  <Bjarni> still
21:02:50  <Bjarni> it's a lot of lego
21:03:29  <mcbane> yea
21:04:32  <Wolf01> you don't know how much pieces somebody have until you see his creations on brickshelf
21:05:19  <Wolf01> like this: http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=2440652
21:05:41  <Wolf01> (the curve surface is a wall of 2x1 bricks)
21:07:57  <Bjarni> ok, this one beats my steam ship by size
21:08:23  <Bjarni> but my steamship could float and it had working paddlewheels... I want to see this model fly :P
21:08:57  <Bjarni> btw a lego ship with homemade paddlewheels can gain surprisingly high speed
21:09:46  <_Ben_> That blacktron ship is really nice...!  I wanted to make things like that but it seemed inposible to buy the specilized peices
21:12:27  <Eddi|zuHause3> hm, i had lego "shipscrews" in one of the technic sets
21:13:09  <Eddi|zuHause3> only, being technic, the ship had lots of holes, so i don't believe it could actually swim :p
21:14:03  <Bjarni> I didn't have and propellers so I had to go with paddlewheels
21:14:39  <Bjarni> turned out that 5 blade paddlewheels worked the best compared to weight (it was kind of big and heavy)
21:20:30  <Wolf01> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=2709532 <- do you think this can float?
21:21:05  <Rubidium> yes
21:21:22  <Bjarni> maybe, but I guess it will be unstable
21:21:35  <Eddi|zuHause3> it's plastic, it will most probably swim anyway... besides lego has lots of holes where air can be stored
21:21:51  <Bjarni> it will likely need something heavy in the lowest deck
21:22:04  <Bjarni> to prevent it from turning upside down
21:22:16  <_Ben_> the ships used to come with weights to stick in the deck for that reason
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21:22:44  <Bjarni> I placed batteries and engines in the lowest part of my ship for that reason
21:23:05  <Eddi|zuHause3> just make sure it is actually waterproof :p
21:23:12  <Wolf01> uhm, and what about the giant lego man found on a beach somewhere in Netherlands?
21:23:15  <Bjarni> well, not lowest, but almost. I added a single block to prevent accidents with leaks and the batteries
21:24:25  <Bjarni> turned out that the paddlewheels could send in more water than the ship itself leaked, so I had to put up some sort of shield to keep the water out
21:24:32  <mcbane> yea
21:24:42  <mcbane> i can imagen that
21:25:00  <Bjarni> and then the ship was out of balance so I had to add those lead blocks in the other end to even it out
21:25:20  <mcbane> i dont have any lego left .=/ all given away to my younger grand cousins.
21:25:44  <Bjarni> I'm not going to give mine away... I need it
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21:27:45  <Bjarni> I just had an idea.... try to make the inner part of the ship air tight and then add a pump to add air all the time. If it works as intended, then the pressure will raise a bit. If the pressure is high enough, then the water will be kept out even if there are leaks
21:27:56  <Bjarni> but then the pump needs to be somewhat powerful
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21:28:37  <Wolf01> then you'll see bubbles everywhere
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21:31:06  <Bjarni> well
21:31:16  <Bjarni> that would mean that you gained too high pressure
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21:31:38  <Bjarni> besides
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21:32:51  <Bjarni> bubbles would actually lower the friction to the water a little, making the ship sail faster (even though I think the speed boost would be way too low to notice)
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21:33:46  <Bjarni> I saw a guy on TV, who had invented some air pocket under ships and container ships would reduce fuel usage by 10% if they used it and didn't change speed
21:34:30  <Bjarni> in fact they would save more, but then you have to include the fuel usage for keeping a compressor working and you end up with 10%
21:34:41  <Vikthor> Bjarni: Not neccesarily, the bubles could disturb the laminar flow of water and make it turbulent
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21:35:42  <Bjarni> laminar flow of water.... next to a hull made out of lego?
21:36:47  <Vikthor> Oh, you are talking about lego. (note to self, read more than last few lines before replying)
21:36:48  <Bjarni> the bubbles would start by sticking to the outside of the hull, making a cushion between the water and the hull... no direct contact results in less friction
21:37:32  <Bjarni> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=2709532 <-- it would be a hull not unlike this one
21:37:51  <DaleStan> Belugas: Calculated callback results are ones calculated and returned by variational 2 where nvar is 0. "Standard" callback results are everything else. (Explicit (8000 | <value>) or (FF00 | <value>) in standard 2s, random 2s, and variational 2s where nvar != 0)
21:38:03  <Bjarni> a real hull wouldn't leak so they produce bubbles like that
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21:39:27  <Eddi|zuHause3> you made Hull out of lego? :p
21:39:59  <Bjarni> I tried
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21:40:13  <Bjarni> I didn't have enough dirty and broken blocks though
21:40:18  <Bjarni> :P
21:40:32  <_Ben_> just use grey blocks, and nothing else
21:41:01  <Wolf01> 'night
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21:41:28  <Bjarni> but... I don't have any pregnant teenage lego people :s
21:41:45  <Bjarni> so it wouldn't be Hull
21:42:20  <Eddi|zuHause3> if it's all grey, call it <random east german town before 1990>
21:42:43  <Bjarni> Salle?
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21:43:16  <Bjarni> I don't think Salle was gray in yeah 1400
21:43:18  <Eddi|zuHause3> the name is Halle (Saale)
21:43:25  <Bjarni> *all gray
21:43:46  <Eddi|zuHause3> and i have no idea how it looked in 1400
21:43:48  <Bjarni> dammit... I knew I had it wrong, but I didn't bother to look it up :P
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22:06:04  <mcbane_ZZZz> night
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22:09:46  <Phazorx> ia there some stat that is related to amount of road construction per company?
22:10:00  <Phazorx> or amount of tiles owned by player?
22:10:39  <Phazorx> and property maintainace apprently is based on number of stations (not station tiles) ?
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22:24:53  <Bjarni> night
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22:57:06  <Amix> just wondering
22:57:13  <Amix> trying to build one way roads
22:57:42  <Amix> but i dont know whats the shortcut for it on powerbook 12 is
22:57:47  <Amix> any ideas?
22:58:07  <glx> ctrl-click or command-click
22:58:27  <Amix> command-click?
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22:58:49  <glx> the key with an apple I think
22:58:53  <Amix> oki
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23:01:50  <Amix> dosent work glx
23:02:06  <glx> what is your version of openttd?
23:02:16  <Amix> 0.5.3
23:02:27  <glx> ha ok, it's only in the nightlies
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23:02:38  <Amix> ahh
23:11:31  <Amix> cant get the nightly build to work
23:11:33  <Amix> :(
23:12:18  <glx> what doesn't work?
23:12:33  <Amix> the screen blinks
23:12:39  <Amix> and it goes back to osx
23:14:04  <glx> never used a mac so I can't help
23:15:40  <Amix> ok
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23:20:28  <Amix> cant get nightly to work
23:20:30  <Amix> ;p
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