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08:24:56 <wirk> i need some info about the banks 08:25:37 <wirk> i know that bank spawns in city that has over 1200 residents 08:25:58 <wirk> but i need to know - what triggers the bank spawn 08:26:41 <wirk> played the game over LAN many times i invest most of time and cash on building up huge citys like 45k ppl in each 08:26:57 <wirk> still i cant get the bank with valuables 08:27:29 <wirk> while randomly some small cities have the bank 08:28:35 <wirk> last 10+ plays i learned how to grow a big city fast - still failed to make any big cities with banks 08:28:54 <wirk> if you have any knowledge about bank spawn please write here or pm me 08:29:02 <wirk> afk now 08:30:02 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6B5A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 08:30:58 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 08:31:06 <wirk> hi prakti 08:34:29 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6B5A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:35:16 <wirk> hi osai 08:36:43 <prakti> I wish you a guten morgen. 08:36:51 <wirk> :) 08:37:03 <wirk> hows going ? 08:37:44 <prakti> Sorry, no time for idle chatter,.. I've got to work on my bachelors thesis. 08:38:11 <wirk> you have any info for my bank question ? 08:38:33 <wirk> what triggers bank spawn 08:43:52 <prakti> I'm no dev. 08:44:49 <prakti> Check out the code and grep over it. 08:44:56 <prakti> maybe this here helps: http://docs.openttd.org/ 08:45:00 <prakti> Or maybe the wiki. 08:45:08 <prakti> Use the source Luke. 08:45:23 <wirk> been browsing the wiki and faq for some time 08:45:37 <wirk> needed a pro's opinion 08:45:54 <wirk> i havent played TTD for years 08:46:08 <wirk> and only lately discovered the OpenTTD 08:46:13 <wirk> i find it way cool 08:47:43 <prakti> It surely it. but I'm afraid that I've barely touched the code. I just sometime twiddled the german town name generator. 08:47:55 <prakti> And most of the patch got rejected. 08:48:03 <wirk> what about your game experience? 08:48:10 *** Unknown_Entity [~Unknown_E@dslb-084-063-002-215.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 08:48:18 <prakti> Game experience is imho brilliant. 08:48:20 <wirk> when you see the bank appear 08:48:34 <prakti> Late in the game. 08:48:37 <wirk> and can you make bank spawn in every city ? 08:48:46 <prakti> Maybe,... 08:49:13 <wirk> been playing the game over ten times from 1930 - 2052 08:49:22 <wirk> and got no banks in my cities 08:49:24 <prakti> There is an option to prospect new industires for raw-materials. 08:49:24 <wirk> :( 08:49:34 <prakti> like funding them,..... 08:49:43 <prakti> There seems to be some randomness. 08:50:21 <wirk> prospect ? 08:51:09 <prakti> like funding secondary industry, only for raw material producing industries. 08:51:15 <prakti> Thats controllabe via patches. 08:52:21 <prakti> I did a "grep -r bank *" for you. 08:52:41 <prakti> Now lets take a look at: http://docs.openttd.org/economy_8h.html 08:52:51 <wirk> thanks 08:55:02 *** xahodo [~xahodo@xahodo.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 08:56:20 <wirk> ummm.... stil dont know how to prospect for raw mats 08:56:52 <wirk> though i have the newest versions of open ttd (i think) 08:58:35 <wirk> ok found it 08:58:37 <wirk> thanks 08:59:46 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-62-5.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 09:16:50 *** Galamantyl` [Alkaven@S01060017312ee6be.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [] 09:20:03 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host207-237-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 09:21:06 <Wolf01> hello 09:21:12 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: The ending changes tone & is actually quite sad - but it involves a scene of necrophilia, so that's just another plus in my book.....] 09:21:38 <Sionide> i bought locomotion yesterday 09:21:43 <Sionide> played it till 3 09:21:44 <Sionide> it's so weird! 09:23:51 <Wolf01> that game has infinite possibilities, but seem that chris forgot to learn from transport tycoon and what made it the best game ever 09:24:21 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:25:29 <Sionide> building stuff is a pain in the arse isn't it 09:25:36 <Sionide> takes a bit of getting used to 09:25:41 <Sionide> roller coaster tycoon style 09:25:54 <Sionide> which works nicely for making a roller coaster, but not laying train track 09:29:29 <Wolf01> what i miss most in lomo is the drag&drop feature 09:30:15 <Wolf01> then the depots to service the trains... when they have the reliability drop to 0 they are completely useless and should be manually renewed 09:31:27 <Wolf01> and the transparency which is a complete failure, instead of helping you to build underground or behind buildings, it make this work more difficult 09:33:30 <SpComb> indeed, it has a lot of problems 09:33:41 * SpComb got it for christmas and hasn't played it once after the first day 09:35:52 <Wolf01> i purchased my first copy at â¬29, then i "won" (i was third) the macca's contest and received another copy :P 09:36:25 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 09:37:43 <Wolf01> and i must say that the copy i won is really better than the copy i purchased, it have the manual and a very good box, the EU copy is on a DVD box with a little manual 09:41:33 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N868P022.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 10:03:16 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-121-217-203-4.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 10:05:09 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-121-217-203-4.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:05:39 *** egladil_ibook [~egladil@c-f6ebe455.021-166-6e6b701.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 10:12:54 *** egladil_ [~egladil@c-f6ebe455.021-166-6e6b701.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:12:57 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:21:18 *** xahodo [~xahodo@xahodo.demon.nl] has left #openttd [] 10:30:55 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 10:36:42 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 10:38:20 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-75.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:47:07 <LeviathNL> TrueBrain, are the noai_xxx.png pictures from the blog still available somewhere? 10:55:06 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-75.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:55:15 *** tanuk [kaskinen@assari.cc.tut.fi] has joined #openttd 10:57:13 <tanuk> The Configure Patches window shows the year when the game will end, but I can't change the year. Is it there for just informational purposes, or can it be changed somewhere? 10:57:30 <tanuk> I'm running OpenTTD on Debian, if that matters. 11:00:33 <LeviathNL> It can't be changed but you can play just continue playing after that year 11:00:48 <LeviathNL> -play 11:01:38 <tanuk> Oh, good. Thanks. 11:03:45 <tanuk> Hmm... I don't remember that button from the original game: between train depot and train station. What is it? 11:04:13 <Wolf01> waypoints 11:04:49 <LeviathNL> you can give an order to a train to pass it 11:05:27 <tanuk> Ok. What about that "turn over a track" or whatever it is, the second last button on railroad construction bar? 11:06:37 <LeviathNL> you can convert a track to the selected tracktype by dragging over it with this tool 11:06:39 <Wolf01> that allows you to upgrade the railway to another kind 11:07:00 <Wolf01> like rail to elrail, rail to monorail etc 11:07:01 <LeviathNL> btw left mouse button gives you a small description 11:07:02 <tanuk> Thank you. Hopefully I won't be asking here all the time... 11:07:10 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-75.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:07:47 <tanuk> LeviathNL: Ah, that's a useful tip. But you must mean the other left ;) 11:08:08 <LeviathNL> eh yeah ;P 11:10:36 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489C9D5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:11:35 <TrueBrain> LeviathNL: they are moved to the noai/ dir 11:13:22 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-75.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:15:24 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D3EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:16:24 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:17:54 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489E36F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:21:40 *** LeviathNL [LeviathNL@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 11:23:44 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-121-217-203-4.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 11:34:00 *** LeviathNL [LeviathNL@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:37:51 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 11:47:09 <Sionide> tanuk, there's plenty of help on the wiki for the new features you might not recognise from the original 11:47:41 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 11:50:29 <Rubidium> 51.4431,5.4789 11:50:34 <Rubidium> arg... 11:50:45 <TrueBrain> tnx for that GPS location :) 11:50:52 <Rubidium> you know where it is? 11:50:59 <TrueBrain> in my backyard! 11:52:06 <Rubidium> tanuk: the end date can only be changed for servers as server might want to (automatically) restart at a certain date 11:52:22 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: nah... 11:52:59 <TrueBrain> oh well, it was about 1% chance I was correct :p 11:57:05 <TheMask96> eindhoven cs :) 12:01:20 <Rubidium> so a likely place for a train to wait for a few minutes ;) 12:07:19 *** frosch123 [~mtce@kolmogoroff.math.tu-clausthal.de] has joined #openttd 12:24:03 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-63-152.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 12:28:11 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-41-38.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:33:46 *** RamboRonny [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 12:38:03 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-109-253.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 12:43:25 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:47:39 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:48:10 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 12:53:38 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has joined #openttd 13:12:29 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:15:02 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:16:38 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.140] has joined #openttd 13:18:19 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 13:21:49 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:27:39 *** Ammlller [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has joined #openttd 13:31:00 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:31:00 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:31:19 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-63-152.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:48:46 *** Diabolic1Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-197-165.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 13:49:38 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-141-014.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 13:55:09 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-132-158.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:55:48 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-75.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 14:06:10 *** DorpsGek [truelight@81.171.98.110] has joined #openttd 14:06:13 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 14:06:15 *** dihedral [~dihedral@p54A0F8DF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:16:11 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-62-5.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:16:57 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-75-221.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 14:21:13 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Quitting .... 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Some like that... 14:39:58 <frosch123> Have you tried ActionD variable 99? 14:40:30 <Ammler> oh, you mean its possible with a grf? 14:40:38 <Ammler> no need to change the existing grf? 14:41:36 <Ammler> hmm, can't load the wiki page atm 14:41:48 <frosch123> I guess you have to place that ActionD at the start of the grf, or perhaps after the Action8. 14:42:34 <frosch123> But my nfo knowledge is rather passive, i.e. I can read a lot, but have written hardly any. 14:43:07 <Ammler> my idea was to have a tool which "scans" the grf and print out the used IDs and then encode it with new IDs if needed. 14:43:49 <frosch123> That won't work with callbacks. Ooops, I guess the ActionD will not work with callbacks either. 14:44:13 <Belugas> Ammler, this is not a good idea. you are modifying the work of someone else. bad bad bad. you'd better ask the author then 14:44:15 <frosch123> (I mean callbacks like the articulated one) 14:44:38 <Ammler> Belugas: of course the autor's permission is needed 14:46:05 <Ammler> frosch123: callbacks could changed too, not? 14:47:21 <frosch123> Ammler: That will require the intelligence of a human as it has to understand how the grf works. 14:48:34 <Ammler> Belugas: what do you think, technically should be possible, not? 14:50:12 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest209 14:50:12 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host82-234-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 14:50:55 <Belugas> i agree with frosch123 14:51:15 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-53-155.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 14:55:01 *** byq [~gcichowsk@chello084010211017.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 14:55:13 <byq> !password 14:56:05 <Belugas> that command is only valid in #openttdcoop (or somehting like that) byq 14:56:10 *** Guest209 [~wolf01@host207-237-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:59:30 *** Digitalfox_ [~chatzilla@bl8-53-155.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 15:00:17 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host82-234-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:01:30 *** Digitalfox_ [~chatzilla@bl8-53-155.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [] 15:02:02 *** Digitalfox_ [~chatzilla@bl8-53-155.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 15:02:12 *** Digitalfox_ [~chatzilla@bl8-53-155.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [] 15:04:41 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host76-236-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 15:06:01 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-53-155.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:07:40 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-71-63-10-8.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:08:05 <Ammler> hmm, Action D variable 99 sounds very interesting, is there a Set which does use that? 15:15:51 <frosch123> Don't know, all sets that I saw using GRM, only checked if their fixed IDs are available. I have not seen one with dynammic IDs. 15:21:31 *** Unknown_Entity [~Unknown_E@dslb-084-063-002-215.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:25:18 *** Osai is now known as Osai^Kendo 15:48:04 *** Diabolic1Angel is now known as Diabolic-Angel 16:02:04 *** Markkisen [~me@h13n2fls301o1036.telia.com] has joined #openttd 16:02:59 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.140] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:06:03 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D81E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:06:26 <fjb> Moin 16:06:49 <Markkisen> Where is Bjarne? :o 16:08:49 <TrueBrain> @whereis Bjarne 16:08:53 <TrueBrain> :( 16:09:19 <Belugas> not connected right now, so it seems. And i'm pretty sure it is Bjarni, not Bjarne... 16:09:29 <TrueBrain> @seen Bjarni 16:09:29 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 1 day, 14 hours, 33 minutes, and 1 second ago: <Bjarni> you guys can try to stop me, but it won't work :P 16:09:31 <TrueBrain> ;) 16:09:58 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest213 16:09:58 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host249-237-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 16:10:20 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:10:46 <Ailure> hmm 16:10:55 <Ailure> do anyone else than me use silly placeholder names in their programs? 16:11:33 <Ailure> I seem to unusually often create a integer variable with the name lol too often XD 16:12:08 <ln--> bjarni must be busy with the kangaroo. 16:12:53 <Markkisen> TrueBrain ;) 16:12:55 <Markkisen> Thanks ^^ 16:13:12 <hylje> Ailure: i tend to not have placeholders.. 16:13:21 <Ailure> remember 16:13:24 <hylje> descriptive_name_lol 16:13:25 <Ailure> mine are mostly for testing 16:13:26 <Ailure> they won't last 16:13:43 <hylje> well yes, i have single letter vars for the interactive prompt.. :> 16:13:50 <Ailure> I make them stupid so I feel forced to replace the mlater with something more proper 16:14:46 <Ailure> and sometimes I wind up with long names for references 16:14:51 <Ailure> like "signatureSigFilePathTextField" 16:15:04 <Belugas> why not make them explicit right away? easier to debug... 16:15:52 <Ailure> I guess 16:16:04 <Ailure> I don't release my code in that state 16:16:15 *** Guest213 [~wolf01@host76-236-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:16:28 <Ailure> sometimes I wind up with really strange names 16:16:32 <Ailure> for classe 16:17:18 <Ailure> or at least, they did sound silly when I made them 16:17:21 <Ailure> like Sockethandler 16:21:11 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-71-63-10-8.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:24:00 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host249-237-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:26:12 *** lolman is now known as John 16:27:03 *** frosch123 [~mtce@kolmogoroff.math.tu-clausthal.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:27:49 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host30-239-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 16:30:59 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:31:23 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest214 16:31:23 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host101-62-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 16:36:50 *** Guest214 [~wolf01@host30-239-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:39:21 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D3EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:41:50 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A75A1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:42:08 <TrueBrain> hi skidd13 16:42:13 <skidd13> Hi 16:44:39 *** dexterle [~dex@i59F7C698.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:45:01 <dexterle> someone not afk? 16:45:07 <Ailure> i am 16:45:10 <dexterle> :) 16:45:21 <dexterle> do you know anything about the openttd console? 16:45:37 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest220 16:45:37 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host122-157-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 16:45:46 <Ailure> the one that comes up when you press the tilde key on american keyboards? 16:45:47 <Ailure> yes I do 16:45:53 <dexterle> :) yes this one 16:46:04 <Ailure> what exactly do you need help about anyway 16:46:35 <dexterle> i want to know, if there is any command or way to destroy a whole company in a multiplayer game, because i cant buy it completly 16:46:45 <Ailure> oh there is 16:46:56 <dexterle> how to? :) 16:47:15 <Ailure> reset_company 16:47:29 <TrueBrain> also feel free to visit our wiki :) 16:47:29 <Ailure> You can see a list of commands by typing list_cmds btw 16:47:30 <Ailure> heh 16:47:47 <skidd13> Can I hear some comments to FS1390 please. 16:47:49 <Ailure> and then use help on that spefic command to see what it do 16:47:50 <dexterle> ahh oki, didnt know that, thank you 16:48:11 * Belugas is looking at it right now, while eating his lunch 16:48:51 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-109-253.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: bbl] 16:49:16 <Ailure> hmm 16:49:30 <dexterle> thx guy it works :) 16:49:38 <skidd13> Belugas: "Mahlzeit!" (I don't know a fitting translation and "Have a nice meal" has a slight other meaning IMO) 16:49:49 <TrueBrain> skidd13: looks good to me 16:49:55 <dexterle> have a nice meal is a good translation 16:49:57 <TrueBrain> skidd13: and forget it to say something like that in English, there is no good way :) 16:50:09 <dexterle> << from germany 16:50:21 <Belugas> "bon appetit" can be said :) 16:50:33 <TrueBrain> which is French, still no English :P 16:50:38 <dexterle> nobody says that ^^ 16:50:59 <Belugas> i know at least two devs who do ;) 16:51:15 <Belugas> and a few more who understand it! 16:51:26 <TrueBrain> Belugas: I think in fact most devs understand it :) 16:51:31 <Belugas> heheh 16:51:42 <Belugas> skidd13, it looks really good 16:51:55 *** Guest220 [~wolf01@host101-62-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:51:58 <Belugas> TrueBrain, if you feel 100% secure, could you commit it? 16:52:06 <TrueBrain> I was about to ask you: 16:52:11 <TrueBrain> if you feel 100% secure, I will commi tit 16:52:11 <TrueBrain> :p 16:52:15 <Belugas> lol 16:52:20 <skidd13> And it seems to be a bit faster too. :) 16:52:49 <glx> <skidd13> And it seems to be a bit faster too. :) <-- don't say that without benchmarking :) 16:52:55 <Belugas> yeah.. a lot 16:53:05 <skidd13> I said seems! 16:53:20 <Belugas> TrueBrain, i think skidd13 means it will be faster if you commit it than relying on me to do so :D 16:53:24 <TrueBrain> skidd13: but that is as useless as telling us you made a REALLY cool feature.. and then nothing :) 16:54:01 <TrueBrain> Belugas: that is why I suggested to commit it ;) I just wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything which might be wrong :p Hehe :) 16:54:15 <Belugas> another easy would be to grant skidd13 commit access, but allowed only after veto by devs 16:54:41 <TrueBrain> Belugas: on that matter, can you give a quick look at http://bugs.openttd.org/?getfile=1859 too? 16:55:15 <Belugas> i know about that one, it is on my todo 16:55:29 <skidd13> The speedup will depend on the compiler either. So there won't be a general statement ever. 16:55:42 <Belugas> but as i told BigBB recently, i'm not available to do anything until wednesfay at least 16:56:09 <glx> skidd13: why moving template <...> ? 16:56:33 <TrueBrain> glx: all other entries in macros.h do 16:56:39 <skidd13> glx: I adapted it cause all templates are formated this way (at least in the file) 16:56:45 <TrueBrain> Belugas: I thought, while reading thisone... ;) 16:56:49 <glx> ok :) 16:58:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r11369 /trunk/src/ (macros.h road_cmd.cpp): 16:58:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange [FS#1390]: changes some int to int8 in macros.h, as they describe a bit-position, which fits perfectly in an int8 (max 64) (skidd13) 16:58:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange [FS#1390]: added consts in macros.h functions, so compilers can optimise better (skidd13) 16:58:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange [FS#1390]: remove HAS_SINGLE_BIT, as COUNTBITS does the same (skidd13) 16:58:14 <skidd13> I like tidiness in code and uniform code flow. :) That was the most reason. 16:58:20 <Belugas> TrueBrain, i've read it a few times, seems to be fine. nothing that hurt my eyes 16:59:19 <TrueBrain> Belugas: same here :p 16:59:57 <TrueBrain> so if it compiles, let's commit it ;) 17:00:09 <TrueBrain> nice work btw, skidd13 17:01:37 <skidd13> No problem. I'm thinkin over a nice way to replace the GB/SB/etc. macros with static inline functions now. 17:01:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> where have all my GB gone... 17:02:27 <TrueBrain> skidd13: btw, about 1390, the code looks fine, but the GUI isn't really... nice.. 17:02:31 <TrueBrain> it looks a bit ugly now, if you ask me.. 17:02:47 <skidd13> TrueBrain: Anything in mind? 17:02:52 <TrueBrain> and in my opinion, I still think Capacities and Total Cargo should be 1 tab 17:02:58 <TrueBrain> I never understood why it isn't.. 17:03:18 <skidd13> The reason is that it looks IMO overcrowded then. 17:03:20 <TrueBrain> in fact, Cargo and Capacity could be 1... 17:03:43 <TrueBrain> like: 10 / 30 Mail 17:03:46 <TrueBrain> or 0 / 30 Mail 17:03:54 <TrueBrain> (bags of mail) 17:04:11 <TrueBrain> skidd13: possible, but with the things like Weight, Power, MaxSpeed, Max TE, it already is overcrowded ;) 17:04:24 <skidd13> Maybe a matrix with all the stuff in it could be the solution. 17:04:58 <TrueBrain> indeed sounds like a solution 17:05:02 <TrueBrain> but this adds yet an other line... 17:05:13 <TrueBrain> same as with Orders, it needs a GUI redo too :p 17:05:45 <skidd13> But ATM I don't feel like I want to recode the whole details GUI to matrix style :P 17:06:02 <TrueBrain> every time so far people said: wait for cpp_gui 17:06:08 <TrueBrain> but I dunno if that ever finishes... 17:06:33 <skidd13> Apropos order GUI There is much duplicated code with the timetable. 17:06:38 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: i have a request for shared patch enhancement :) 17:06:57 <Phazorx> could be a tricky one tho 17:08:08 <Eddi|zuHause3> gnah, i don't even have enough space to properly free some space... 17:08:14 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest224 17:08:14 *** Wolf01|AWAY [~wolf01@87.13.70.16] has joined #openttd 17:08:14 *** Wolf01|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 17:08:29 <Phazorx> you need space to get space? 17:08:55 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, it's called temporary space ;) 17:09:17 <TrueBrain> skidd13: yup 17:09:18 <skidd13> Eddi|zuHause3: there is a lot of space in /dev/null :P 17:10:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, but to prove wether that is "proper" might be tricky :p 17:10:39 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D3EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Progman] 17:10:43 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D3EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:10:43 <Belugas> Coffee Flavoured Chewy Granola Bar :D 17:10:46 <Belugas> WONDEFULL! 17:10:51 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause3: You can compress any file to the size of one byte. :-) 17:11:07 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: it would be nice if companies using shared drops would get a benefit from it, say a percentage increase of income (since using shared would mean exporting) 17:11:28 <skidd13> fjb: Yeah lossy zip rules :D 17:11:35 <Eddi|zuHause3> fjb: i'm not sure if "one" byte is a significant improvement over "null" bytes :p 17:11:52 <Phazorx> so perhaps when a train drops something at foreign station (which can only be shared) it gets like 2x the income 17:12:03 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause3: That are 8 bits more. 17:12:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> again: "significant" is the keyword 17:14:21 <Eddi|zuHause3> "help, i temporarily copied an important file to /dev/null like you suggested, but when i am trying to copy it back now, i cannot access it anymore" :p 17:14:40 *** Guest224 [~wolf01@host122-157-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:15:09 * DaleStan headdesks. 17:15:24 <Belugas> hello mister commiter :) 17:15:55 <DaleStan> I'm reminded of tales of deleting this large file named "vmlinuz" that no one seems to be using. 17:16:17 <skidd13> Truebrain: http://paste.openttd.org/270 17:16:18 <skidd13> Dalestan: lol 17:16:21 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause3: Just take the backup. You know, you should have a backup of every important file. 17:16:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> DaleStan: that is fine, until you reboot your computer ;) 17:16:54 <Phazorx> DaleStan: it supposed to be <1M not that large actually 17:17:00 <fjb> DaleStan: That story is much older than Linux... :-) 17:17:31 <skidd13> Eddi|zuHause3: Why should be that a problem? boot your knoppix change the root dir to the HD and install your own compiled kernel again ;) 17:17:46 <TrueBrain> try removing /proc/mem, or /proc/kernel :p 17:17:50 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@r5bn73.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 17:17:56 <fjb> At the times it happened 1MB was a significant part of the hard drive. 17:18:05 <DaleStan> that is fine, until you reboot your computer <-- So I'm told. I think I'll just believe the the stories, rather than trying to booting a Linux system without it, TY*V*M. 17:18:09 <TrueBrain> s/mem/kcore/ 17:18:49 <TrueBrain> skidd13: I dunno, depends on the type of 'x' I guess 17:19:13 <TrueBrain> oh, lol 17:19:15 <TrueBrain> of course :) 17:19:16 <skidd13> TrueBrain: It shouldn't IMO. 17:19:23 <TrueBrain> skidd13: that is _very_ dangerous what you wrote there 17:19:27 <TrueBrain> you CHANGE the CONTENT of 'x' 17:19:33 <TrueBrain> so, if it is a const, it cna't work 17:19:34 <TrueBrain> to start 17:19:43 <TrueBrain> but... it gives very unexpected results ;) 17:19:57 <skidd13> x is not const! 17:20:00 <TrueBrain> int x = 3; GB(x, 1, 1); printf("%d\n", x); <- shows 2 :p 17:20:05 <TrueBrain> euh, 1 17:20:15 <TrueBrain> so, it is wrong how ever you look at it ;) 17:20:23 <TrueBrain> skidd13: no, a constant, as, say, you want to do: GB(0xFF, 1, 1) 17:20:42 <skidd13> Ah that are you talking about. Yup agreed. 17:20:49 <TrueBrain> so, don't do it 17:20:52 <TrueBrain> is the summary ;) 17:21:00 <TrueBrain> T x -> const T x 17:21:03 <TrueBrain> that really should be there ;) 17:22:11 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N868P022.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:22:46 <skidd13> return (T)(x >> s) & (T)((1U << n) - 1); // Same error :( 17:22:54 <Phazorx> TB no word on my RFC? 17:22:57 <TrueBrain> then I wouldn't know :) 17:23:17 <TrueBrain> skidd13: what is 'T' when the error happens? 17:24:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> hm, i have 1GB free swap... i should make use of that :p 17:24:18 <skidd13> TrueBrain: »int« to »DiagDirection« 17:24:18 <skidd13> http://paste.openttd.org/271 17:24:47 <TrueBrain> (T)((1U << n) - 1) <- isn't that part a problem? It might not be in DiagDirection... 17:25:30 <skidd13> The cast should fix that IMO 17:25:32 <TrueBrain> skidd13: why is the return value T anyway? 17:25:48 <TrueBrain> isn't the return value bool? 17:25:58 <TrueBrain> oh, no, nevermind 17:25:59 <TrueBrain> lol 17:26:05 <TrueBrain> confusing shit, those names 17:26:50 <skidd13> Anyone other of the devs? http://paste.openttd.org/271 17:26:56 <TrueBrain> skidd13: say, 1 << n returns 0x40, -1 makes it 0x3F, maybe the compiler is clever enough to notice that isn't in DiagDirection 17:27:01 <TrueBrain> so, try not to cast back to T until the end 17:27:16 <skidd13> So (T)-1 ? 17:27:21 <TrueBrain> euh, no 17:27:33 <TrueBrain> (T)((x >> s) & ((1U << n) - 1)) 17:27:51 <TrueBrain> (btw, s and n should be uint8 ;)) 17:28:14 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-109-253.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 17:28:23 <glx> GB has no type, it's just an int 17:28:32 <TrueBrain> so: 17:28:38 <TrueBrain> (uint64)((x >> s) & ((1U << n) - 1)) 17:28:39 <TrueBrain> ;) 17:28:48 <TrueBrain> anyway, dinner :) 17:28:49 <glx> you should do (T)GB() 17:28:57 <glx> not cast in GB 17:29:22 <Belugas> [13:29] <skidd13> Anyone other of the devs? http://paste.openttd.org/271 <--- i've never done templates, so... don't count on me 17:29:23 <skidd13> For all the stuff? GB/SB/etc. 17:29:23 <skidd13> glx: If you feed GB with an uint8 it should return an uint8 17:30:37 <glx> the problem is other types 17:30:40 <Belugas> anyway, i'm back at work... so... /me disappear 17:30:53 <Sacro> ttdftw 17:31:10 <skidd13> glx: what types? 17:31:40 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B041797.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: BigBB] 17:31:53 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@r5bn73.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:31:54 <glx> "incomplete" types, like DiagDirection 17:32:50 *** byq [~gcichowsk@chello084010211017.chello.pl] has left #openttd [] 17:33:04 <skidd13> glx: Hmm, true. So I'd say the return is an uint, isn't? 17:33:14 <glx> it is 17:34:52 <skidd13> I'm thinking over TrueBrain's statement that >> -x is invalid. 17:34:52 <skidd13> Is >> -x defined as << x? 17:35:11 <glx> or maybe use T& like other templates 17:35:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> <skidd13> Is >> -x defined as << x? <- i would not bank on this 17:35:47 <skidd13> later, dinner :D 17:35:57 * skidd13 hides 17:36:24 <Eddi|zuHause3> i'd avoid anything outside 0..bitsize 17:37:13 <glx> yeah like TB said, n and s should be uint8 17:38:15 *** wirk [~elukas@84-50-160-3-dsl.rgu.estpak.ee] has quit [] 17:41:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> what i'd rather expect ">> -x" to do (assuming 32bit) is to slice out the last 5 bits of the representation of "-x", and shift by that value (unsigned) 17:42:43 <Eddi|zuHause3> which is completely not what you wish it to do ;) 17:50:22 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-183-119.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:51:10 <skidd13> Then many of the ints in macros.h have to be uint 17:54:25 <skidd13> glx: assuming that GB returns 32bit seems to slow down the whole stuff. This needs benchmarking. returns GB ever more than 16 bit? 17:55:30 *** Osai^Kendo [~Osai@pD9EB6B5A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^Kendo] 17:56:44 <skidd13> Damn this macro is widely used. Not shortly to check :( 17:59:20 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:59:49 <skidd13> Erase my last sentence. assert(n <= 16); is short :) 18:01:20 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 18:08:26 *** liona29 [~liona29@ANantes-257-1-53-33.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 18:10:08 *** liona29 [~liona29@ANantes-257-1-53-33.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 18:12:13 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest227 18:12:13 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host185-229-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:17:02 *** G [~njones@202-154-149-20.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:17:15 *** Guest227 [~wolf01@87.13.70.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:21:01 <skidd13> F*** NewGRF uses 24 bit :( 18:21:01 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:21:11 <skidd13> so no downsizing to 16 bit 18:22:12 <DaleStan> My understanding was that 16-bit is usually slower than either 8 or 32 bit. 18:22:22 *** G [~njones@202-154-149-20.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 18:23:01 <DaleStan> At least for x86 processors. 18:23:14 <skidd13> DaleStan: I'm not sure, but the inline function *seems* to be slower. Maybe different from OS to OS 18:23:57 <DaleStan> If there's a difference, it's more likely processor to processor. 18:24:22 <skidd13> Agreed :) 18:26:04 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-183-119.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:29:39 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82716.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:30:47 <skidd13> do some of the internal types base on the 64 bit type? 18:31:01 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83352.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:31:02 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 18:32:24 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:34:55 *** Sacro` [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:37:02 <TrueBrain> skidd13: Money ;) 18:37:03 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-109-253.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:37:38 <TrueBrain> DaleStan: in fact, 32bit (or 64bit) is always faster. Next in 32bit for 64bit, then 8bit, third it 16bit. 24bit is impossible slow ;) 18:38:02 <Sacro`> gah 18:38:05 <skidd13> Hmm. Does anyone use SB with money as 4th argument? 18:38:21 <TrueBrain> skidd13: doubtful ;) 18:38:32 <TrueBrain> still, currently SB and GB can handle anything 18:38:43 <TrueBrain> if inlining means loosing that, I don't know if it is such a good idea 18:39:17 <skidd13> Is it possible to have to template values? 18:39:42 <skidd13> :%s /to/2/ 18:40:34 *** John [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:41:09 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:43:55 <skidd13> TrueBrain: I won't lose the anything handle stuff, but it'll secures itself for missusage ;) 18:57:58 <skidd13> TrueBrain: Check this out! http://paste.openttd.org/272 18:58:57 <skidd13> should work well. But now I'm starting to like converting this stuff to templates :) More to come... 19:21:01 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl5402B36D.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 19:32:02 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489FC92.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:32:36 *** Peakki [antti@cs181247045.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 19:39:24 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489C9D5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:40:02 *** BiA|pavel-css [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 19:50:51 <skidd13> I need benchmarks -> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1392 19:50:51 <skidd13> Thanks and good night 19:50:56 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A75A1.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 19:59:04 *** dexterle [~dex@i59F7C698.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:59:08 <fjb> Ups, the auto replacement window tell me that I habe 65535 locomotives of one kind... 20:00:36 <fjb> Was the code recently changed? 20:00:38 <Eddi|zuHause3> savegame, way to reproduce -> bugs 20:03:07 <fjb> I have to register first? 20:03:44 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@r5bn73.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 20:14:41 <Wolf01> 'night 20:14:46 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host185-229-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:15:45 *** Sacro` is now known as Sacro 20:17:36 *** egladil [~egladil@83.233.184.124] has joined #openttd 20:20:48 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:28:35 <glx> fjb: save and reload 20:29:04 *** |fjb| [~frank@p5485D81E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:29:11 <SpComb> Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd ) 20:29:11 <|fjb|> !logs 20:29:24 <glx> and we need a savegame from before it happens 20:30:44 <|fjb|> Ok, I only have one from the biginning of the game, I think. Don't know when that happened, it was the first time I looked into the auto update in that game. 20:31:13 *** DorpsGek` [truelight@81.171.98.110] has joined #openttd 20:31:14 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek`] by ChanServ 20:31:48 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B778D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:33:05 *** MiHaMeK [~miham@xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu] has joined #openttd 20:33:08 *** gfldex [~dex@dslb-084-058-060-192.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 20:33:10 *** ln--_ [lauri@ksenos.fi] has joined #openttd 20:33:13 *** __karma [makelak@assari.cc.tut.fi] has joined #openttd 20:33:19 *** wolfryu [~Wolfenste@dhcp-077-250-019-098.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 20:33:20 *** blathijs_ [~matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 20:33:24 *** Noldo_ [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has joined #openttd 20:33:30 *** wolfryu is now known as Wolfensteijn 20:33:38 *** SpBot_ [terom@marttila.de] has joined #openttd 20:33:44 *** tanuk- [kaskinen@assari.cc.tut.fi] has joined #openttd 20:33:48 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> panulirus.oftc.net quits: Dark_Link^, _karma, fjb, XeryusTC, Peakki, wolfy, egladil, Diabolic-Angel, nairan_wokr, SpBot, (+17 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 20:33:54 *** Netsplit over, joins: stillunknown 20:33:57 *** Netsplit over, joins: nfc, Diabolic-Angel 20:34:10 *** Netsplit over, joins: Dark_Link^ 20:34:10 *** DorpsGek` is now known as DorpsGek 20:34:58 *** mcbane [~Maui_key@p5498C9FE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:35:07 *** Netsplit over, joins: XeryusTC 20:35:17 *** Netsplit over, joins: _42_ 20:36:18 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489FC92.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:36:46 *** Netsplit over, joins: egladil 20:37:03 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 20:37:03 *** Netsplit over, joins: tokai 20:38:08 *** Jello [lol@S01060060080d1060.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 20:38:33 <Jello> hi :> 20:38:53 <Jello> i was told to come here for help on openttd 20:38:53 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@ti0140a340-0088.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 20:40:35 *** |fjb| is now known as fjb 20:40:43 <fjb> Hi Jello 20:41:30 <fjb> It's FS#1393 20:43:54 <fjb> Jello: What help do you need? 20:44:13 *** Peakki [antti@cs181247045.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 20:44:18 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:45:51 <Ammler> fjb: it sounds more he likes to help you :P 20:45:53 *** Arpad [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:46:38 <fjb> Oh, I never mind. 20:48:46 * Belugas thinks it is more than late enough to try to keep on working 20:48:48 <Belugas> thus... 20:49:07 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-208-183.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:49:08 * Belugas leaves the office and wishes you all a good weekend 20:49:36 <fjb> Bye Belugas 20:50:23 * hylje wishes the same for Belugas in third person 20:50:41 <fjb> E52 is cool, I wish it would be a bit more reliable. 20:54:50 *** BiA|pavel-css [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [] 20:56:27 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C2FE.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:07:12 *** thgerg1 [~Administr@dsl5402B36D.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 21:07:13 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl5402B36D.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:08:57 <fjb> Is there a separate switch that unhides the one way road markers? 21:09:48 <fjb> Hm, sorry, forget that question 21:12:43 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:15:49 *** pecisk [~pecisk@78.84.139.234] has joined #openttd 21:17:00 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: May the ducttape be with you] 21:33:19 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.] 21:46:22 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6B5A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:51:56 *** dihedral [~dihedral@p54A0C8D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:59:02 <dihedral> :-) 22:03:24 *** vasjoe [~vasjoe@77.111.132.232] has joined #openttd 22:03:39 <vasjoe> hy 22:04:02 <hylje> hai 22:06:23 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@r5bn73.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:22:03 <fjb> :-P 22:23:43 <dihedral> :-P 22:26:53 *** Ailure [Cat@194.47.44.201] has joined #openttd 22:28:46 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-63-152.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 22:32:39 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:33:34 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5589.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:33:47 <skidd13> Hi 22:34:12 <TrueBrain> skidd13: a moment ago I did some testing on GB, inline or macro; the results don't show a clear faster or slower 22:34:14 <TrueBrain> with -O3 22:34:25 <TrueBrain> with -O0 it likes GB macro more ;) 22:34:26 *** dihedral [~dihedral@p54A0C8D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:34:40 <TrueBrain> with -fno-inline, the macro wins bigtime 22:34:43 <TrueBrain> but... that is a dah ;) 22:35:08 <skidd13> And with the default -O2? Wich compiler and wich OS? 22:35:32 *** dihedral [~dihedral@p54A0C8D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:35:45 <skidd13> :%s /wich/which/ 22:35:57 <TrueBrain> linux, gcc 4.1 22:36:09 <skidd13> 32 bit? 22:36:12 <TrueBrain> default -O2 was inconclusive 22:36:14 <TrueBrain> 64bit 22:36:42 <TrueBrain> it was just a quick single-program test 22:36:49 <TrueBrain> it should be test in OpenTTD to give more details :) 22:36:56 <skidd13> But the inline should be safer to use IMO. 22:37:03 <TrueBrain> it mostly is, yes 22:37:41 <Rubidium> it makes debugging harder/more time consuming (at least for me) 22:37:43 <skidd13> I'd like to hear some benchmarks form our redmond friends ;) 22:38:10 <skidd13> Rubidium: Which one? 22:38:14 <TrueBrain> if you run in dbg lvl 3 (which in general I advise against), it would be dead slow 22:38:19 <Rubidium> inlines 22:38:20 <TrueBrain> as that adds the -fno-inline 22:38:47 <skidd13> :( Thats not good :( 22:39:34 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: true... but... the backtraces are usually messed up without -fno-inline, and when getting some hard to fix/find issue fixed I'd like to have proper backtraces. 22:39:57 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I personally only used -fno-inline just twice since the new makefile system 22:40:10 *** pecisk [~pecisk@78.84.139.234] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:40:13 <TrueBrain> so personally, I don't see the problem with inlines over macros 22:40:41 <TrueBrain> but that is just because I have no problems addings a bunch of printfs to locate the exact problem, and because most inlines are assert protected, which give pretty clear results 22:42:50 *** dihedral [~dihedral@p54A0C8D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: sleeeeeepy] 22:43:58 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 22:44:01 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 22:45:32 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B042A16.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:46:41 <Rubidium> oh... mr. Bounding Box ;) 22:47:24 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 22:49:08 <Markkisen> Naaw, my cat i so cute <3 22:49:10 <Markkisen> is* 22:49:19 <Markkisen> I just want to cuddle her to death 22:49:23 <Markkisen> Poor cat 22:49:25 <Markkisen> :( 22:49:46 <TrueBrain> okay, you are scaring me 22:49:56 <Markkisen> (: 22:50:04 <skidd13> Speedy gonzalez? 22:50:19 <Markkisen> She is having kittens in a couple of days (: 22:51:04 <Rubidium> oh.. mass murder? 22:53:39 <Markkisen> Noooo 22:53:41 <Markkisen> ): 22:53:49 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-121-217-203-4.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 22:54:42 *** Peakki [antti@cs181247045.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: LÀhdössÀ] 23:12:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... cultrual victory, that was too easy... 23:12:55 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-75-221.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 23:13:28 *** vasjoe [~vasjoe@77.111.132.232] has quit [Quit: [netZ] Egy diktátor szerint egy zsákutcából is lehet sugárutat csinálni!] 23:19:19 <valhallasw> TrueBrain: webtt? map.py? :O 23:19:22 <valhallasw> er 23:19:34 <TrueBrain> valhallasw: what? where? 23:19:34 <valhallasw> that was the result of letting irssi stay a day behind 23:19:38 <valhallasw> >_< 23:19:51 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6B5A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 23:20:26 <valhallasw> you posted something /www/webtt/map.py-is last night... where my irssi window stopped scrolling 23:20:48 <TrueBrain> ah, indeed :) 23:20:49 <TrueBrain> lol 23:22:58 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:26:09 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:26:54 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:28:14 <Sacro> hmmm 23:28:19 <Sacro> no nickserv 23:30:43 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D3EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:33:47 <skidd13> Does somewhere in the code is the sqrt function is used? 23:34:27 <TrueBrain> grep is your friend :) 23:35:10 <skidd13> grep does not found anything IIRC 23:35:34 <skidd13> but maybe someone wrote someting similar like the stuff with the countbits 23:36:09 <skidd13> :%s /anything/anything code related/ 23:39:39 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-208-183.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:41:01 <skidd13> I'm asking cause I strumbled over this nice piece of code: 23:41:03 <skidd13> http://www.codemaestro.com/reviews/9 23:44:47 <TrueBrain> haha, nice :) 23:44:52 <TrueBrain> anyway, we try to avoid floats in general 23:45:00 <TrueBrain> but there should be a few sqrts 23:46:17 <skidd13> The coding stuff in q_math is impressive. I'm reading through. Maybe there is some stuff that might be usefull 23:46:26 <TrueBrain> feel free :) 23:55:59 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]