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00:00:31 <SpComb> http://dev.myottd.net:8119/ <-- working zoom 00:00:45 <SpComb> although there's now some bug with it suddenly deciding to not load any images anymore 00:06:13 *** cer1al_k1ller [~cer1al_k1@81.20.250.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:11:02 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 00:11:03 *** ludde [~ludde@ua-83-227-238-252.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:16:10 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B040DB0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:16:34 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B040DB0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 00:17:44 <LeviathNL> very nice work SpComb what are you planning on doing next? 00:18:30 <LeviathNL> minimap? 00:19:38 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E8B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:21:24 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-42-221-30.range217-42.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 00:24:57 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B040DB0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: BigBB] 00:32:12 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:32:17 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 00:33:05 <Gekz> when is 0.7.0 coming out? :P 00:33:08 <Gekz> twas a joke. 00:33:10 <Gekz> don't eat me. 00:33:29 <Sacro> !summon Grue 00:41:33 <SpComb> LeviathNL: double-click-center and mousewheel scrolling 00:42:05 * SpComb is starting to get quite a nice chunk of pixel math in his javascript code 00:48:36 *** Sacro` [Ben@adsl-87-102-39-241.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 00:49:01 <Sacro`> hmmm 00:52:41 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-39-241.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:03:24 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-211-116.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:12:40 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 01:15:12 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-33-60.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:19:38 *** gono_ping_timeout [~Gonozal_V@N741P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:25:21 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a03.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:31:07 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77D68.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:37:38 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77CD8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:40:47 *** shore [~shore@87-196-162-198.net.novis.pt] has joined #openttd 01:44:43 <SmatZ> night 01:44:45 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:46:03 <SpComb> there, now the mousewheel scroll works as well 01:46:15 <SpComb> and there's a pixel-perfect "Link to this location" thing 01:47:39 <SpComb> http://dev.myottd.net:8119/#6768_2503_0 <-- note that I've removed the update-every-two-seconds thing, now it only updates when you move the map 02:08:11 <Gekz> that link never works for me 02:08:33 <Gekz> doesnt work in Opera at least 02:11:56 <SpComb> what part of it doesn't work? 02:12:00 * SpComb doesn't have opera installed 02:12:15 <Gekz> err, the site 02:12:18 <Gekz> it doesnt load 02:12:18 <Gekz> lol 02:12:34 <Gekz> oh wait, it's just the link with the # part 02:12:50 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77D68.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:13:59 <SpComb> so without the # stuff it loads? 02:16:04 <SpComb> gah, why would it be that I'm unable to load any savegames into my dedicated server at all? I saved a very simple game with no GRFs that I was playing on that server as a client, and trying to load it into openttd with `-g simple` fails with "File not readable" 02:16:27 <SpComb> very annoying having to build a tiny piece of track and a train every single time I make a change 02:16:28 *** Szandor [~a@host-83-146-12-110.bulldogdsl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:18:38 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB6B0A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^zZz] 02:19:18 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77D68.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:19:34 <Sacro`> SpComb: lack of zlib? 02:19:37 *** Sacro` is now known as Sacro 02:23:19 *** glx [~glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:29:45 *** shore [~shore@87-196-162-198.net.novis.pt] has quit [] 02:33:01 <SpComb> Sacro: would it not complain about that at compile time? 02:33:15 <Sacro> SpComb: you'd think so 02:33:31 <Sacro> hmm 02:33:43 <Sacro> but you normally get an inflate() error i belive without zlib 02:45:54 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 02:47:54 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-78-27.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:56:11 <SpComb> the vehicle list now lets you center the map on the vehicle 02:56:39 <SpComb> I want to feed some openttdcoop game into this and see how well it works :( 03:15:19 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-78-27.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 03:28:17 *** De_Ghost [~De_Ghost@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:49:04 * Belugas worked on Focused Edit widget and is satisfied with his work 03:49:11 * Belugas now goes to sleep 04:01:14 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F541EC.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 04:07:53 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F555E1.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:41:54 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-120-104-90.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 04:45:45 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-78-27.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:25:21 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-120-104-90.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 05:32:00 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-120-104-90.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:36:49 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [] 05:36:51 *** CIA-4 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 05:36:53 *** CIA-4 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [] 06:05:01 <jthill> re 11565: assuming FOR_EACH_SET_BIT is a good idea at all, wouldn't just changing it to `j = p->attr&0x2f;` have been better? 06:09:13 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 06:12:48 <jthill> gak nevermind. I guess bitfields would have been unportable or something. 06:35:00 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N927P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 06:47:47 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-208-220.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 07:14:08 <Celestar> morning 07:14:13 <Gonozal_VIII> morning 07:16:43 <Celestar> ./googleearth-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libldap-2.3.so.0: undefined symbol: SSL_CTX_set_info_callback 07:16:46 <Celestar> WTF? 07:17:04 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 07:17:20 <Celestar> ldap?! 07:17:38 <Rubidium> morning Celestar 07:17:50 <Celestar> good mornign Rubidium. Did you get my hopelessly outdated patch? 07:18:15 <Rubidium> yes 07:18:23 <Celestar> good :) 07:18:38 <Rubidium> I've applied it too, but when that was finally done properly it was already too late to do testing 07:18:59 <Rubidium> I've already had too little sleep 07:19:09 <Celestar> welcome to the club :( 07:20:24 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-30.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has joined #openttd 07:20:38 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-208-220.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:30:35 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:32:50 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has joined #openttd 07:39:11 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:43:01 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has joined #openttd 07:46:22 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 07:48:36 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 07:49:38 *** ludde [~ludde@ua-83-227-238-252.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 07:50:27 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has joined #openttd 08:00:43 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7744.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:00:43 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N927P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:02:05 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-33-60.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 08:09:07 *** wolfy [~Wolfenste@dhcp-077-250-018-248.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 08:10:03 <Gekz> pfft 08:10:12 <Gekz> I haven't slept since the beginning of the epoch. 08:11:01 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-152-104.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 08:11:59 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 08:14:27 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.65.216] has quit [Quit: *poof!* I am gone -=- Using ChatZilla] 08:14:39 *** wolfy is now known as Wolfensteijn 08:18:12 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 08:18:18 <blathijs> Gekz: january 1st 1970? 08:18:32 <Gekz> yes 08:19:42 <blathijs> poor you 08:28:33 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:39:56 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 08:40:17 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [] 08:55:31 *** BiA|pavel-css [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 08:55:54 <BiA|pavel-css> hi 09:02:52 *** BiA|pavel-css [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [] 09:03:57 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 09:13:02 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:16:58 *** G_ is now known as G 09:20:36 <Ammler> good morning guys, how should I check if the fallowing assert already fixed? (road_map.h:22: RoadTileType GetRoadTileType(TileIndex): Assertion `IsTileType(t, MP_ROAD)' failed.) 09:20:46 *** NarkSlap [~me@h240n1fls304o1036.telia.com] has joined #openttd 09:26:22 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-33-60.adslplus.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:27:16 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-108-175.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 09:32:49 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-160-2.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 09:35:57 <Rubidium> Ammler: which version of OTTD? 09:37:31 *** Nitehawk [~nitehawk@c-98-200-106-108.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:43:29 *** Nitehawk [~nitehawk@c-98-200-106-108.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 09:43:32 <Ammler> Rubidium: beta 09:43:51 <Ammler> we have the assert without interacting... 09:44:13 <Ammler> someone is trying to check it with a trunk 09:45:42 <Rubidium> sounds like an already solved issue 09:46:23 <Ammler> but its right, the 0.6 release will still be based on trunk? 09:46:46 <Ammler> as long as there is no new branch? 09:48:19 <Ammler> would make more sense to update the coop server to current nightly then 09:58:13 *** Vikthor [novotv6@pc304-54.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 10:04:44 <Rubidium> Ammler: yes, yes, yes 10:05:13 *** Vikthor [novotv6@pc304-54.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:19:04 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489B810.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:21:15 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 10:21:25 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 10:25:52 <Celestar> wee hee mail server is dead :S 10:26:16 *** McHawk [~hawk@p5489FFC3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:31:58 *** Tino|R152 [~Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #openttd 10:32:37 *** Nitehawk [~nitehawk@c-98-200-106-108.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:37:52 *** Nitehawk [~nitehawk@c-98-200-106-108.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] 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The magical and mystical world of #openttd! 17:05:30 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 17:07:07 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:10:15 <Belugas> hey Worldbeing 17:10:23 <Worldbeing> Hey 17:10:25 <Belugas> Gege, don't be shy, tell us your problem/question 17:11:34 <Gege> sorry im not shy only afk 17:12:25 <Belugas> ok :) 17:12:37 <Gege> and i want to steal only one (remote server experienced) men time 17:12:47 <Gege> not the all community with my bad english 17:12:52 <Gege> :) 17:13:18 <Belugas> well... if one cannot help, the others might 17:13:20 <glx> but you may get a faster reply if you ask everybody :) 17:13:57 <Gege> i have time:) and i ask the question what i want before but too many answers to me to choose the best 17:14:22 <Gege> and many fake joke:) 17:15:04 <Gege> i dont know what the better way to use my difficulty settings on the remoted server 17:15:10 <Gege> i know some way 17:15:22 <Gege> but every way need a file transfer 17:15:45 <Gege> need to send my openttd.cfg or need to send my saved map 17:16:04 <Gege> and i dont like this way 17:16:13 <Gege> because the server are not mine 17:16:24 <glx> it's the only way 17:16:56 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5EF68.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:17:57 <Sacro> to blast off and nuke it from orbit? 17:19:56 *** AntB is now known as Guest255 17:20:03 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.83.182] has joined #openttd 17:20:54 <Gege> i cant load my savegames from home in the server 17:21:45 <Gege> rcon <rconpw> "load myip::\c:\destination\map.sav" 17:21:51 <Gege> or some other way? 17:21:58 <Sacro> hmm, where can you put grfs 17:22:05 <Sacro> ~/.openttd/data doesn't seem to work 17:22:23 <LeviathNL> should work :s 17:22:31 <glx> Gege: the server can only load local files 17:23:08 <Gege> :( 17:23:52 <Sacro> it doesn't work D: 17:24:07 <Gege> not my day:S 17:24:24 <glx> Sacro: check rights 17:24:42 <Sacro> glx: ben:users, 755 for folders, 644 for files 17:24:58 <glx> compiled yourself? 17:25:07 <Sacro> the binary? no 17:25:11 <Sacro> tis from the repo 17:25:14 <Sacro> well 17:25:19 <Sacro> i wrote the PKGBUILD 17:25:26 <Sacro> so technically, in a round about way, i did 17:26:16 <glx> maybe --personal-dir flag is not properly set 17:26:33 <Sacro> lets go have a look 17:26:39 *** Guest255 [~AntB-UK@81.140.65.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:26:59 <Sacro> make PREFIX=/usr BINARY_DIR=/bin ICON_DIR=/share/pixmaps DATA_DIR=/share/openttd PERSONAL_DIR=/.openttd USE_HOMEDIR=1 INSTALL=1 17:27:25 <glx> use configure instead 17:27:30 <Gege> thats interesting but i dont understand:) im too noob for this:D 17:27:41 <Sacro> glx: 0.5.3 doesn't have configure 17:28:06 <Gege> thats the 0.5.6 ver 17:28:21 <glx> 0.5.6 doesn't exist Gege ) 17:29:07 <Sacro> any more ideas? 17:29:18 <glx> Sacro: I don't know then (windows doesn't have personal_dir in 0.5) 17:29:26 <Sacro> tis not windows 17:29:29 <Sacro> tislinux 17:29:33 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:30:00 <Gege> sob i use xp but the serv run debian 17:30:29 <Gege> some afk 17:30:48 <glx> Gege: you need a ssh access to the server 17:30:50 *** Gege is now known as gegeafk 17:31:20 <gegeafk> 2 problem my english are bad and i dont know what is ssh acces 17:31:30 <glx> remote access 17:31:34 *** gegeafk is now known as gegenotafk 17:31:36 *** NarkSlap [~me@h64n1c1o1114.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #openttd 17:31:40 *** gegenotafk is now known as gege 17:31:52 <Sacro> who else talks hungarian? 17:32:42 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host251-15-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:32:50 <Wolf01> hello 17:33:12 <gege> good day 17:33:44 <Sacro> bonjourno 17:35:46 *** gege is now known as gegeafk 17:35:51 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-105-192.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 17:37:57 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@r5bn73.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 17:47:59 <Wolf01> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=645503#p645503 how cute... he remembered about a question i asked 3 years ago 17:48:44 <hylje> chances are he went around browsing the later pages of the forum archives 17:52:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r11568 /trunk/src/window.h: -Codechange: Use bit shifts instead of values for flags. It helps readability a little bit. 17:59:56 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:02:35 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 18:04:41 <LeviathNL> Wolf01, what brickland part are you currently working on? 18:05:24 <Wolf01> black roads on soil 18:05:40 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:07:05 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A77C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [ZZZzzzz.] 18:07:32 *** iBitch [~me@h64n1c1o1114.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #openttd 18:08:06 <LeviathNL> when are these used? 18:08:28 <Wolf01> when you place a new road 18:08:37 <SmatZ> lol @ [18:47:59] <Wolf01> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=645503#p645503 how cute... he remembered about a question i asked 3 years ago 18:10:23 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E7B3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:10:31 <fjb> Moin 18:10:32 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 18:10:39 <LeviathNL> what sprite numbers in trgtr.grf? 18:11:06 <Wolf01> good question 18:11:47 <fjb> Is there some trouble with road vehicles finding their way again? 18:12:03 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:12:48 <LeviathNL> I also can't "find" them ingame 18:13:36 <Wolf01> the terrain tiles start at 0 with the brown tiles, then 3 series of green tiles (the 2 not used and the grassy one) up to 75 18:13:38 *** Maarten [~dutchusa@cpe-66-74-155-152.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 18:14:01 <LeviathNL> these 2 series are used 18:14:17 <Wolf01> no, i tried, they aren't 18:14:19 <LeviathNL> look at the screenshit i posted in the thread 18:14:25 <LeviathNL> try the tar 18:14:53 <Wolf01> and seem that in toyland there are only 2 kinds of road, urban and country 18:15:15 <Wolf01> so i'll convert the new placed to urban 18:15:41 <Wolf01> replacing the brown with the gray 18:17:16 <LeviathNL> do you have a replacement (red groundtiles?) for the red tiles in toyland? 18:17:19 *** jthill [~jthill@pool-71-109-75-231.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 18:17:45 <LeviathNL> i think they are toylands rough ground 18:20:04 <Wolf01> yes they are 18:20:22 <Wolf01> i'll work on it as soon i'll finish the roads 18:26:00 <LeviathNL> can't I do a color replace on the standard tiles? 18:27:17 <Wolf01> why you should? 18:28:08 <LeviathNL> did you hava any other plans whit these tiles than recoloring them? 18:28:44 <Wolf01> yes, i plan to add plastic rocks 18:29:20 <Wolf01> and little green platic pieces for the rough land 18:29:49 <LeviathNL> ah ok 18:40:49 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 18:42:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11569 /trunk/src/fileio.cpp: -Fix [FS#1480]: full paths sometimes did not work correctly. 18:46:34 <fjb> I have a problem with a lost train which insists on going to an occupied platform while the neigbour platform is free: http://www.myimg.de/?img=TropicExpress28Okt204c925f.png 18:47:00 <glx> fjb: random in action 18:47:37 <fjb> Hm, how can I guide it to the other platform? 18:47:52 <SmatZ> fjb: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1473 18:48:05 <SmatZ> fjb: the train doesn't have the station in its order 18:48:18 <fjb> And I have some routing problems with the road vehicles sometimes not finding their paths in the latest nightly builds. 18:48:22 <hylje> given a portal gun powerful enough 18:48:27 <hylje> could one run a train between them? 18:49:11 <SmatZ> fjb: there were not any changes to the PF... can you describe your problem more accurate, or give exact revision when it "went wrong"? 18:49:19 <SmatZ> hylje: yes 18:51:13 <fjb> Two bus stops in the same small town. The ai once build them and then got sold to me. One bus was going between them. Now every bus that has to go between these two stations (and two others formerly build by the ai), gets instantly lost. 18:52:39 <fjb> The speed indicator below the vehicle window constantly shows a changing speed and the arrow in front of the next station in the routing window is flickering and sometomes jumps between the two stations. 18:53:12 <BiA|pavel-css> sounds like teleport :) 18:53:12 <fjb> And I suddenly have more trains getting lost. I never had lost trains in this game before. 18:53:28 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 18:53:30 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 18:54:06 <fjb> The bus doesn't teleport, ist just drives around, often further and further away from it's destination, One of the busses went almost to the other side of the map. 18:54:54 <glx> fjb: what pf is used for buses? 18:55:12 <fjb> yapf 18:55:15 <SmatZ> fjb: could you post a savegame? 18:55:49 <fjb> Yes, tell me where I can upload it. My webserver is still not set up again. 18:56:58 <Wolf01> LeviathNL http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/lego/city_roads.PNG what do you think? 18:57:26 <SmatZ> fjb: how big is that file? 18:57:36 <LeviathNL> Wolf01, very nice! 18:58:29 <LeviathNL> If i can help with some standard copy posting in the sprites or in any other way let me know 18:58:54 *** G [~njones@202-154-150-91.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:59:13 <Wolf01> i don't know, i'm used to draw all the tiles pixel per pixel by hand 19:00:19 <Wolf01> maybe some pieces can be tiled, but i like to draw different textures for all the tiles 19:00:29 *** G [~njones@202-154-150-91.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 19:02:54 <fjb> SmatZ: 577888 Bytes 19:03:18 <fjb> I really have to setup that webserver again. 19:04:34 *** Hovoere [~dfsf@port525.ds1-ynoe.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [] 19:05:46 <Wolf01> LeviathNL, looking at the picture on the forum, the quarter sloped tile facing north should be lowered by 2 or 3 pixels (y_offs) 19:06:29 <Wolf01> uhm, no they are right 19:06:34 <Wolf01> are the NW slopes too low 19:07:36 <LeviathNL> I'll check 19:08:48 <LeviathNL> the biggest slope facing south does not look properly aligned either 19:14:21 *** valhalla1w is now known as valhallasw 19:18:07 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AWAY 19:19:44 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B042BE7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:19:47 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489B810.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:20:14 <LeviathNL> fixed it, also changed some other tiles offsets slightly (these cleared land tiles are great for debugging offsets :) ) 19:30:21 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C3C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:30:53 *** iBitch [~me@h64n1c1o1114.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Quit: Screw you guy, I'm going home and smoke pot] 19:32:15 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:46:06 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:56:05 <gegeafk> re 19:56:08 <gegeafk> omg 19:56:11 *** gegeafk is now known as gege 19:56:14 <gege> re) 20:03:17 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 20:22:11 *** Ikarus-70 [~florian.s@p548452CA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:22:29 <Ikarus-70> Hi 20:22:57 <Ikarus-70> is someone reading me? 20:23:19 <glx> why? 20:23:28 <Prof_Frink> Ikarus-70: reading you loud and clear 20:23:30 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B042BE7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: BigBB] 20:23:35 <Ikarus-70> I have a problem with ottd 20:23:43 <Ikarus-70> with multiplayer 20:24:10 *** erikv [~erik@kotnet-144.kulnet.kuleuven.be] has joined #openttd 20:24:27 <Ikarus-70> it has lags, but i seem to be the only one on that server 20:25:27 <Ikarus-70> can someone help me with this? 20:25:52 <Ikarus-70> I have DSL 2000 and WinXP 20:26:00 <Rubidium> where are you, where is the server, how fast is your computer, how big is the game? 20:26:28 <Prof_Frink> And are you doing anything that might be eating bandwith? 20:27:24 <Ikarus-70> I am in Germany 20:27:34 <Ikarus-70> All other programs stopped 20:27:47 <Ikarus-70> I have a Athlon64 3200+ 20:28:50 <Ikarus-70> CPU @ 8% 20:29:00 <Ikarus-70> network @ 0,1% 20:29:23 <Prof_Frink> OK, so the problem isn't your end. 20:30:28 <Prof_Frink> Either: The server is running slow, which you can't really do much about, or the intertubes are blocked, which you can't really do much about. 20:30:31 <Rubidium> network @ 0,1 % doesn't necessarily mean that his DSL has enough free bandwidth 20:31:16 <Ikarus-70> Is there anything I can do? 20:31:27 <Prof_Frink> That comes under the heading of "blocked intertubes" 20:31:37 <Ikarus-70> I have this problem often, on different servers 20:31:58 <Ikarus-70> never heard about it :-( 20:32:01 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 20:43:13 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B823BF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:43:38 *** erikv [~erik@kotnet-144.kulnet.kuleuven.be] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:44:48 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B821E7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:44:50 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 20:51:01 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-209-177.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:52:39 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i577B6A12.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:53:45 *** Thijs [~thijs@dhcp-077-249-252-173.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 20:53:48 <Thijs> !password 20:54:04 <Rubidium> fietstas 20:54:10 <Rubidium> ;) 20:54:14 *** Thijs [~thijs@dhcp-077-249-252-173.chello.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:54:24 <Rubidium> bye! 20:54:33 <ln-> startkeylogger 20:54:53 <Rubidium> bugger... nobody with a bugged router 20:59:38 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~dex@i577B6948.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:07:39 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a03.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:07:40 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 21:09:33 *** BiA|pavel-css [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [] 21:14:29 *** Ikarus-70 [~florian.s@p548452CA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 21:22:59 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.] 21:35:38 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7744.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:37:19 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F541EC.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:39:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r11570 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Fix: do not flood rail station tiles when there is a vehicle on it (when non-uniform stations are ON) 21:46:57 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:47:12 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:50:11 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 21:53:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11571 /trunk/src/roadveh_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#1493]: road vehicle getting to the wrong side of a station when trying to overtake in there. 21:53:49 <Wezz6400> hmm, too bad openttd needs screen on a linux box 21:54:06 <Wezz6400> to run dedicated that is ;) 21:54:18 <glx> well noone force you to use screen 21:54:31 <glx> but it is highly recommended over ssh :) 21:54:46 <Prof_Frink> And what's wrong with dtach? 21:55:07 <Wezz6400> well if I want to close my ssh connection, I need screen to keep it running don't I? 21:55:42 <glx> Wezz6400: yes but there are probably other tools able to do that 21:55:55 <Wezz6400> well true 21:56:20 <Wezz6400> I'm not saying it's very bad or anything, it just seems kind of overkill to keep a session running 21:56:45 <glx> not really 21:56:48 <Bjarni> somebody should write a guide on how to run OpenTTD servers on remote servers when you disconnect from them 21:56:54 <glx> screen is very easy to use 21:57:00 <Bjarni> ...because I would like to read it ; 21:57:02 <Bjarni> ;) 21:57:43 <Wezz6400> I wasn't really complaining or anything, it's just that I find other sofware that is capable of forking a bit more convinient 21:58:05 * Bjarni wonders what screen is 21:58:19 * Bjarni wonders if the guys at uni installed screen already 21:58:37 <SmatZ> Bjarni: something like nohup ... alows you to let program run when you close your terminal connection 21:58:48 * SmatZ did maybe lame explanation :-p 21:59:06 <Bjarni> well... it's there :) 21:59:26 <Bjarni> even with a man page 21:59:45 <Bjarni> I guess I should be able to figure out how to use it then 22:00:05 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D68.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 22:00:08 <Bjarni> not for OpenTTD though... they firewalled it 22:00:30 <Bjarni> so it would make no sense to host a game... nobody would be able to join except localhost 22:01:12 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D68.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:01:36 <Bjarni> hi Eddi|zuHause 22:01:42 <Bjarni> I have a question for you :) 22:01:54 <Eddi|zuHause> shoot 22:02:16 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: have you heard about the powerplant that a Danish company might build in Germany? 22:02:23 <Eddi|zuHause> no 22:02:33 <Bjarni> I thought so 22:03:12 <Bjarni> here the news says that there are massive protests against it and that it's a cruel company and shit so I decided to search for this in German... and came up with nothing 22:03:39 <Bjarni> huge protests and the only thing that came up was the company's own info page on what they offer to build 22:03:44 <Eddi|zuHause> well, maybe it is known in a 2km radius around the building site... 22:03:57 <Eddi|zuHause> brb 22:04:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D68.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:04:07 <Bjarni> that was quick 22:04:24 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D68.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:04:51 <Bjarni> do you know about the power supply situation in the former DDR? 22:05:15 <Bjarni> still @ Eddi|zuHause 22:05:35 <Eddi|zuHause> not much 22:05:51 <Bjarni> because the media here talks a lot and tells only a little 22:06:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't remember any serious power shortages if that is what you mean... 22:06:46 <ln-> did DDR have the same kind of wall outlets as most of the western europe? 22:06:57 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 22:07:14 <Eddi|zuHause> at least there is no difference between east and west germany 22:07:40 <Bjarni> but from what I understand the politicians says that they need more power to get rid of unemployment since new production and stuff needs more power 22:08:09 <Eddi|zuHause> there have been over 15 years of decline... 22:08:26 *** Worldbeing [~chatzilla@timewarp.demon.co.uk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]] 22:08:33 <Bjarni> so they requested a power plant and then the Danish power company offers a state of the art coal plant and then the media here flames coal plants in general 22:08:45 <Bjarni> saying stuff that we should only build windmills and stuff 22:08:49 <Eddi|zuHause> i assume they shut down a lot of stuff after The Change, because it was not needed anymore, with most of the industries closing 22:09:06 <Bjarni> how do you expect to here and now build a reliable supply of power from windmills on a massive scale 22:09:28 <Eddi|zuHause> that sentence does not parse... 22:09:38 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 22:10:04 <Bjarni> I mean if we should only build windmills and more power is needed then we will just have to hope that people will only use electricity when the wind is blowing, right? 22:10:09 <ln-> [how do you expect] [to [here and now] build a reliable supply of power from windmills on a massive scale] 22:11:11 <ln-> Bjarni: there could be coal-powered turbines that blow at the windmills when it's calm. 22:12:36 <Bjarni> hehe 22:12:40 <Prof_Frink> Nonsense. You just need curried sprouts. 22:12:56 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 22:14:11 <fjb> I guess it is the coal power plant that filters the co2 and puts it into the ground. And nobody knows if it will really stay there. 22:14:36 <Bjarni> the thing is that CO2 is likely the only thing that it will not filter out 22:15:36 <Bjarni> but then again it will have an efficiency of around 50% (I presume that they will not build it worse than the plants they already own), making it far more efficient than the rest of the powerplants in Germany 22:16:11 <fjb> The politicians are talking about filtering CO2 and dumpunk it in the earth. And that power plant will use brown coal, witch doesn't have much energy. 22:16:35 <Bjarni> here they managed to do that on a test plant 22:16:39 <Bjarni> well the plant is real 22:16:46 <Bjarni> they just decided to test on it 22:16:48 <fjb> And some villages will be destroyed when they get the brown coal out of the earth. 22:16:58 <Bjarni> turns out that the process eats 30% of the power output 22:17:16 <Bjarni> who uses brown coal today? 22:17:24 <Bjarni> it sucks :P 22:17:47 <fjb> Yes, but that power plant will filter the CO2, no politician cares how much of the power output that process consumes. 22:18:18 <Eddi|zuHause> this is so funny, there are a lot of closed down brown coal mines here, and they decided to make some of them lakes 22:18:24 <Bjarni> they can't filter out 100% 22:18:25 <fjb> It sucks, but our politicians decided to still use it. Eastern Germany used it because they had nothing else. 22:18:32 <Eddi|zuHause> then they decided upon a 10 year plan to fill the hole with water 22:18:40 <Eddi|zuHause> then there came The Big Flood 22:18:47 <Eddi|zuHause> and the entire thing filled in 10 days 22:18:51 <Bjarni> and it was flooded in no time 22:18:51 <fjb> :-) 22:18:58 <Bjarni> you told us earlier 22:19:15 <Bjarni> do you presume that we either don't read what you write or have memory leaks? 22:19:28 <Eddi|zuHause> well, the city would most certainly have drowned otherwise... 22:19:51 <Bjarni> then empty the lakes and use them as water buffers to protect the city 22:19:55 <fjb> The protests against the plant are mainly because it will use brown coal, and some villages will be destroyed. And because the whole plan sucks. 22:20:00 <Bjarni> gee... do I really have to tell you everything? 22:20:36 <fjb> Bjarni for Bundeskanzler. :-) 22:20:56 <Bjarni> that is a thing that I will never become 22:21:03 <Bjarni> not because I'm not suited for it 22:21:05 <fjb> Oh. :-( 22:21:20 <Bjarni> but because it takes too much asslicking to be a candidate 22:21:36 <ln-> i don't remember seeing this mine-filling discussion before. 22:21:57 * Bjarni debugs ln- for memory leaks 22:21:59 <fjb> No, not asslicking today anymore. You only have to work for a powerfull industry lobby. :-) 22:22:18 <Bjarni> ok 22:22:25 <Bjarni> then I have a chance 22:22:25 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 22:22:42 <ln-> is it still full of water? 22:23:01 <Bjarni> I will just drop the Kyoto protocol and then I will be backed up by the oil, coal and auto industries 22:23:04 <Bjarni> :P 22:23:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r11572 /trunk/src/openttd.cpp: -Fix [FS#1494]: reinitialise windows system before loading a savegame 22:23:53 <Bjarni> <fjb> The protests against the plant are mainly because it will use brown coal, and some villages will be destroyed. And because the whole plan sucks. <-- I object against it because the whole concept of reducing CO2 and only CO2 is a mistaken one 22:23:57 <Bjarni> what about SO2? 22:24:01 <Bjarni> or O3? 22:24:14 <Bjarni> or NO2 or NO3? 22:24:32 <glx> O3 is good in high altitude :) 22:25:10 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know any power plants in high altitude :p 22:25:29 <glx> would be nice to have a system to catch it on ground and release it in high altitude 22:25:38 <glx> will fill the hole ;) 22:25:54 <ln-> glx: that could be possible with the space elevator. 22:27:14 <Bjarni> <glx> O3 is good in high altitude :) <-- but not when it's lower than 100 meters... then it just causes cancer and stuff 22:28:49 <fjb> Bjarni: Politicians here are mostly doing what the industry wants or what they think hight sound good to most people. Reducing CO2 sounds good, so they do it. Who cares about the other evel things? 22:29:05 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has joined #openttd 22:29:20 <Bjarni> me 22:29:25 *** ludde [~ludde@ua-83-227-238-252.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:29:29 <Gonozal_VIII> you 22:29:33 <Gonozal_VIII> what? 22:29:40 <Bjarni> I care 22:29:40 <glx> ho ludde was here 22:29:48 <glx> didn't noticed 22:29:56 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-42-221-30.range217-42.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:29:59 <ln-> did you insult him? 22:29:59 <Bjarni> glx: nobody notices when he shows up 22:30:00 <Eddi|zuHause> he's here quite often lately 22:30:13 <fjb> glx: He is always here, but nobody notices him entering the chanel. 22:30:29 <glx> yes we only see him leave 22:30:39 <ln-> the evil peer got him 22:30:42 <Bjarni> fjb: actually I don't care for CO2... I find it less of an issue compared to smog, SO2 and friends 22:30:48 <fjb> Is he real or a ghost. I have to ask him someday. 22:30:57 <Bjarni> he talks to me once in a while 22:31:10 <Bjarni> but I wouldn't rule out the ghost theory though 22:31:12 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, friends can be really annoying 22:31:13 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... where did i see that... "Connection reset by Peer Gynt" 22:31:25 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: in here 22:31:31 <fjb> Bjarni: You are not part of the people our politicans want to impress. 22:31:39 <Gonozal_VIII> peer gynt? 22:31:42 <ln-> does someone want to recommend me a nice sci-fi book written in German? 22:31:55 <Gonozal_VIII> perry rhodan :D 22:31:57 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host251-15-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 22:32:08 <fjb> :-) 22:32:09 <Bjarni> ln-: do you presume that there is one? 22:32:37 <fjb> Perry Rhodan is nice. I read it a lot when I was a kid. 22:32:51 <fjb> :-) 22:32:59 <ln-> Bjarni: must be. 22:33:01 <Gonozal_VIII> :-) 22:33:07 <Bjarni> maybe it's like Star Trek... cool story until you realise that the audio is a bunch of people sitting and talking and not actually making the movements and stuff to make it real 22:33:26 <Bjarni> like missing lips movement sync and stuff 22:33:58 <Bjarni> actually a guy at uni invented a way to make a computer alter mouth movement to match recorded speech 22:34:33 <Bjarni> the idea was to help people with bad ears but Hollywood likes the idea when it comes to synchronising their movies 22:35:06 <Bjarni> I don't think the research has reached a "production" state yet though 22:35:49 <Gonozal_VIII> they should start with translating the text in a way that has the same meaning... 22:36:07 <fjb> Hollywood has some problems with synchronising anyway. The people who have to synchronise it are not allowed to see the whole movie they which they are working on. 22:36:24 <Eddi|zuHause> Gonozal_VIII: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_Gynt 22:36:45 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: Yes, sometimes it is horrible what the german speakers say. Full of bugs. 22:37:20 <ben_goodger> good ${timeperiod()} everyone; could I please trouble someone who speaks russian for some advice? 22:37:35 <Gonozal_VIII> peer is the first name of that guy :S 22:37:49 <ben_goodger> damn 22:37:57 *** Wolf01|AWAY [~wolf01@host251-15-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:38:05 <ben_goodger> I need to write this christmas card this evening... 22:38:39 <Eddi|zuHause> Gonozal_VIII: i assume it's a short form of "Peter" 22:38:46 <ln-> write "Ðа ÐÑÑОМа!" 22:38:51 <Bjarni> <fjb> Bjarni: You are not part of the people our politicans want to impress. <-- of cause not... I actually knows reality, economics and physics so I can spot realistic and unrealistic politicians 22:39:09 <Bjarni> we are cursed mainly with the last kind :( 22:40:03 <ln-> or "ЎПбÑП пПжалПваÑÑ Ð² СССР" 22:40:08 *** divo [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:40:09 *** divo [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 22:40:22 <fjb> Bjarni: Our problem are politicians who are working for thze big companies... 22:40:29 <ben_goodger> that nearly succeeded, but unfortunately I know what CCCP means ^_^ 22:41:04 <Gonozal_VIII> something completely different... can you steal something that has already been stolen? 22:41:16 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Quitting .... Hackedi...hackedi...weg.] 22:41:18 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:41:22 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: Yes, ofcourse you can. 22:41:27 <ben_goodger> Gonozal_VIII: yup 22:41:29 <Eddi|zuHause> Gonozal_VIII: trying to justify your p2p usage? 22:41:41 <fjb> :-) 22:41:42 <ln-> ben_goodger: do you know how to properly write cyrillic text with a pen? 22:41:53 <Gonozal_VIII> nah... modified the stolen trees grf to make them grow from tiny to big 22:41:54 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:42:25 <Eddi|zuHause> while you are at it, allow them in arctic, too ;) 22:42:35 <ben_goodger> ln-: nope, but I'm hoping that this diagram will allow me not to screw it up too badly 22:42:37 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: Better make own trees. I also thought about it. But I didn't come up with good looking trees. 22:42:41 <Eddi|zuHause> but before releasing, i would ask the artist... 22:43:04 <fjb> Who did the trees? SAC? 22:43:13 <Eddi|zuHause> just because the name says they were stolen, they were actually released by the artist 22:43:17 <Gonozal_VIII> yes but she seems to be gone 22:43:30 <Eddi|zuHause> she just left the forum... 22:43:30 *** divo [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:43:42 <fjb> She has a website, her email should be there. 22:43:43 <ben_goodger> ln-: can you tell me how to properly spell sergei in cyrillic? I have a С but that's about it 22:45:19 *** gege [~jo-reggel@static-81-17-185-44.dunaweb.hu] has quit [] 22:46:33 <ln-> СеÑгей, afaik. 22:46:47 <LeviathNL> Wolf01, there are some miscoloured pixles in sprite 12 22:47:32 <ben_goodger> thanks 22:48:30 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: You may find SAC somewhere here: http://ttartist.freeforums.org/portal.php 22:49:38 *** iBitch [~me@h64n1c1o1114.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #openttd 22:49:39 *** iBitch [~me@h64n1c1o1114.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [] 22:49:47 <Gonozal_VIII> thanks 22:50:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11573 /trunk/src/ (lang/english.txt misc_cmd.cpp openttd.cpp): -Codechange: pause games that miss GRFs by default and throw some warnings and disclaimers when you want to unpause it. 22:50:38 <ln-> ben_goodger: in hand-writing it's something like: http://www.ksenos.fi/~lauri/s.png 22:50:52 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: Don't know if she is still there. 22:51:22 <ben_goodger> ln-: got it, thanks, turns out that dejavu serif renders cyrillic cursively in italic (logical) 22:51:27 <Gonozal_VIII> can't do anything there without login 22:51:49 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B0402F2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:51:54 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 481 seconds] 22:51:54 <ben_goodger> is "веÑелПгП РПжЎеÑÑва" correct? 22:52:13 <Rubidium> not correct English, that's for sure 22:52:40 <ln-> that one you'll have to ask from someone who actually speaks russian. 22:52:44 <Bjarni> ben_goodger: it looks like you dropped your letters and helplessly tried to fix them :P 22:52:55 <Rubidium> SergejS! 22:53:04 <Eddi|zuHause> Bjarni: pffft... :p 22:53:15 <Bjarni> hey that's how the story goes 22:53:31 <Bjarni> at least my Russian source claims so 22:53:33 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@r5bn73.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:53:44 <ben_goodger> Bjarni: that's from google translate, and my cyrillic is absolutely terrible, so I'm effectively blind here 22:54:14 <ben_goodger> Î ÏÏεÏÎµÏ ÎÏεεκ ^_^ 22:54:42 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: Maybe the webmaster of http://web.telia.com/~u00302973/INFRA.html knows her address. 22:54:54 <Bjarni> it should be that the Russians wanted to use letters too so they sent out some guys to pick them up. They got the letters carved in wood and on the way back they dropped them and they broke. To prevent travelling back (it took ages back then) they tried to fix them but they didn't do it correctly 22:55:22 <fjb> :-) 22:56:17 <ben_goodger> that makes a lot of sense 22:56:33 <ben_goodger> it would explain why the russian for L ended up as a reverse of the greek for P, at least. 22:56:43 <Gonozal_VIII> aegir coded the grf, i'll pm him :-) 22:56:54 <Bjarni> yeah... specially since I was told that story by a Russian who teaches languages at one of their universities 22:58:40 <Bjarni> but I have no idea if it's the real story... somehow I think if they really fixed the letters then it wouldn't be in the history books because then they would keep it a secret 22:58:45 <Eddi|zuHause> in the way i learned it it was more like bulgarians or something... 22:59:04 <Eddi|zuHause> but similar story 22:59:24 <Bjarni> I forgot where in Europe the picked up the letters :( 23:00:21 <Eddi|zuHause> ben_goodger: actually, the cyrillic L looks a little similar to the greek Lambda 23:00:41 <Eddi|zuHause> while the cyrillic P looks very much like a greek Pi 23:01:46 <ln-> the cyrillic T looks very much like Pi with a third leg 23:01:51 <Bjarni> they mirrored R and gave it a new sound as well... in a way the letters are very similar but they just got switched sounds compared to the originals 23:02:42 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-152-104.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 23:02:46 <Bjarni> so while the story about the broken letters might be just that... a story, it's not unlikely that something like that could have happened 23:03:45 <ln-> http://freestylelanguage.com/files/russian-alphabet.jpg 23:04:00 <Bjarni> NO 23:04:04 <Bjarni> not jpg :( 23:04:10 <Bjarni> jpg sucks for something like that 23:04:12 <Bjarni> use png 23:04:22 <Prof_Frink> hello.jpg 23:04:31 <Eddi|zuHause> .svg ;) 23:04:43 <mikl> or .ogg 23:04:52 <Bjarni> whatever 23:04:57 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause: Why would you want hello.jpg scalable? 23:04:58 <Bjarni> just something that will not make it a blur 23:05:30 <mikl> In soviet russia, the letters spell you 23:05:35 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not really sure what you are referring to as hello.jpg... 23:05:57 <Eddi|zuHause> chances are i wouldn't want to find out either :p 23:05:59 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause: A rather famous image. 23:06:13 *** Prof_Frink was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [now you make me search for hello.jpg thinking it was like hello world.... you shouldn't trick people like that] 23:06:21 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5aca7d32.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 23:06:24 <Eddi|zuHause> see :p 23:06:26 <Bjarni> in other words: you are better off not searching for it 23:06:37 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i know :p 23:06:46 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i suspected 23:06:48 <Eddi|zuHause> now i know... 23:06:54 <Prof_Frink> As I was saying before being kicked, "If you've been on the internet, you've seen hello.jpg" 23:07:10 <Gonozal_VIII> why is there something between a and b... there shouldn't be something between a and b... never.. 23:07:10 <Bjarni> now I have 23:07:13 <Bjarni> thanks to you :( 23:07:45 <Prof_Frink> Other things I sholdn't mention include tubgirl, lemonparty, meatspin and 2girls1cup. 23:08:02 <Bjarni> then don't mention them :P 23:08:16 <Eddi|zuHause> Gonozal_VIII: language historical, v (w) and b are closely related... the real question is why they are so far apart in the latin alphabet 23:08:49 <Eddi|zuHause> also, the letter that you would think that "b" is is not the one that looks like "b" ;) 23:09:41 <Bjarni> I was once told that tubgirl was some hot young chick in a tub and I was recommended to go see it.... I was like "so? It's the internet and I go where I want to be. It's not like I don't know what boobs looks like" and I didn't go there. Later I learned that was a wise choice 23:10:18 <Prof_Frink> I have managed (so far) to avoid everything since goatse and tubgirl. 23:11:02 <Bjarni> but what URL is linked to that damn hello.jpg? 23:11:23 <Prof_Frink> Originally it was goatse.cx, but that was taken down 23:11:24 <Bjarni> or the other way around XD 23:11:38 <Bjarni> usually URLs links to jpgs 23:11:48 <Bjarni> ohh... that was goatse 23:12:12 <Prof_Frink> wiki has plenty of info 23:12:18 <Bjarni> according to bash.org some people got a better (longer) view of it than I did 23:12:27 <Bjarni> thank God for hotkeys 23:12:33 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Zzz] 23:12:55 <Bjarni> Prof_Frink: like I want to read about a wreched anus.... 23:13:04 <Bjarni> I'm not into that >_< 23:13:20 <Gonozal_VIII> wtf 23:13:31 <Bjarni> I thought so too 23:13:40 <Bjarni> while hitting command+w 23:16:25 <ln-> the goatse has enabled a lot of people to come out of the closet. 23:16:40 *** mikl_ [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 23:16:53 <Bjarni> are you sure it's the closet they came out of? 23:17:13 <mikl_> Bjarni: are you sure you want to know? 23:17:14 <Prof_Frink> http://goatse8.ytmnd.com/ (SFW) 23:17:35 *** mikl is now known as mikl_o_O 23:17:39 <Bjarni> besides I would imagine that it would scare people away instead 23:17:49 *** Prof_Frink was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [you aren't fooling me again] 23:18:02 *** mikl_ [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has quit [] 23:18:13 <glx> <Gonozal_VIII> why is there something between a and b... there shouldn't be something between a and b... never.. <-- it is a, b, v indeed :) 23:18:15 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 23:18:21 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5aca7d32.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 23:18:39 <Prof_Frink> No, really, it's safe 23:18:59 <Bjarni> I don't trust you anymore 23:19:05 <mikl> I know a guy who managed to get Goatse on his credit card 23:19:30 <mikl> he played enough with the colours that it was not immediately recogniseable 23:19:51 <Gonozal_VIII> ? 23:19:58 <mikl> but everyone who had seen goatse before would immidiately recognise it 23:20:16 <mikl> it gave an insane amout of geek cred, of course :) 23:20:23 <Prof_Frink> goat cred 23:20:42 <Bjarni> gaah 23:20:45 *** mikl_o_O [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by Peer Gynt] 23:20:55 <Bjarni> it's not safe 23:20:56 <Gonozal_VIII> how do you get something on your credit card? 23:21:19 <Eddi|zuHause> get your bank to print a custom image on it? 23:21:22 <Bjarni> it said "his hands are really in there"... I closed before noticing that >_< 23:21:23 <mikl> Gonozal_VIII: some banks offer it - then you just upload an image and you but it on the card 23:22:05 <mikl> Gonozal_VIII: In this case, it was a Danish bank - "Jyske Bank" :) 23:22:05 <Bjarni> I say that I wouldn't want it on my credit card... imagine all the places where you use it 23:22:35 <Gonozal_VIII> i've never used a credit card 23:22:46 * Bjarni would reject a guys payment if the credit card looks like that 23:23:17 <Bjarni> <Gonozal_VIII> i've never used a credit card <-- you mean you owe the bank so much that they don't trust you with one? 23:23:47 <Prof_Frink> I want a credit card that causes "Cost: £50" to float out the top in red letters whenever you use it 23:23:53 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ i don't know many people that use credit cards here 23:24:18 <orudge> [23:18:37] <Prof_Frink> No, really, it's safe <-- it is, actually 23:24:33 <Prof_Frink> orudge: Too slow 23:24:42 <orudge> oh well 23:24:43 <Bjarni> actually I learned that my credit card isn't a credit card at all... I'm told it's a debit card instead 23:24:54 <mikl> I don' t have a credit card either - I have Visa Electron 23:25:01 <mikl> helps me not spend more than I have :) 23:25:15 * Bjarni don't even have visa 23:25:18 <Bjarni> no need for it 23:25:24 <mikl> debit card is the right term for it, I believe 23:25:39 <SmatZ> I got one for free when settling my bank account... 23:25:47 <mikl> Bjarni: what kind of debit card do you have that's not a Electron? 23:25:51 <Bjarni> besides it makes it way less interesting for international criminals 23:26:01 <mikl> Bjarni: that too 23:26:22 <Gonozal_VIII> for free... until they charge you every month for it 23:26:32 <Bjarni> <mikl> Bjarni: what kind of debit card do you have that's not a Electron? <-- you have 3 guesses :) 23:26:40 <mikl> Maestro? 23:26:46 <Bjarni> no 23:26:53 <mikl> that's the only other I can think of... 23:26:55 <Gonozal_VIII> i have a maestro card :-) 23:27:06 <Bjarni> hehe 23:27:38 <mikl> unless you're thinking of those your-own-banks-ATMs-only-cards 23:27:43 <Bjarni> mikl: it's not that tricky... I just said that I can't travel with it meaning that it only works here 23:28:14 <mikl> But the Dankort /is/ a credit card 23:28:30 <mikl> by my definition, anyways... 23:28:30 <Bjarni> are you sure? 23:28:42 <mikl> since it's possible to withdraw more than you have 23:29:00 <Bjarni> but only stupid people do that :p 23:29:10 <Bjarni> besides you have to have an agreement with your bank to do that 23:29:16 <mikl> :'-( 23:29:21 <Bjarni> I think 23:29:25 <mikl> I'm stooopid then, I suppose 23:29:42 <mikl> You can do it without their agreement, but they'll get angry ;) 23:29:44 <Bjarni> they charge you an arm and a leg for going into negative 23:30:11 <mikl> and/or have you make a real credit agreement 23:30:16 <Eddi|zuHause> Maestro (or Electronic Cash) are the most common cards in germany... they are not credit cards 23:30:26 <mikl> been there, done that - now I'm in debt :( 23:31:09 <mikl> Eddi|zuHause: One of the largest Danish banks use them as well, but most of them went with Visa Electron (which works the same way) 23:31:25 <Bjarni> you know they give you virtually no interest in your cash in the bank (regular account) but if you go into negative they start putting all kinds of fees on your account and then the interest is really noteworthy 23:31:45 <Bjarni> that's why I avoid it 23:32:27 <ln-> mikl: there are Visa Debit cards, which are not Electrons nor credit cards. 23:32:53 <Prof_Frink> Indeed. I have one right here. 23:33:10 <mikl> ln-: Oh - interesting :) 23:33:56 <Bjarni> you see... if your income is X and your expenses are X every month, then you just need to have a positive cash on the account to start with. If you have say -5000 every month then you add and subtract the same amount of cash (in fact less because the bank keeps some of it) so just keep some money there and make sure it will not reach 0 23:34:02 <Eddi|zuHause> the good thing about Maestro is that most stores here accept them without additional fee 23:34:04 <Bjarni> and you will save a whole lot of money 23:34:22 <mikl> It's a quite new thing for average Danes to be using anything but our national Dankort or the Visa/Dankort 23:35:11 <Bjarni> I don't the students who says that they have to go into negative every month because they are low on income.... it's a static problem, not a dynamic one. It's a question of what about of money you have a minimum on your account 23:35:14 <ln-> Eddi|zuHause: over here, quite many stores have the Maestro logo on their window along with the other logos, but i don't know anyone who has a Maestro. (while i know a lot of people having Electron). 23:35:55 <mikl> Bjarni: yeah, it's not a monetary problem - it's a lack of self-discipline 23:35:56 <glx> I have an Electron 23:36:02 <ln-> glx: sorry to hear that. 23:36:05 <Eddi|zuHause> most banks here don't give credit to students 23:36:09 <orudge> I have a Visa, and a Maestro! 23:36:19 <Eddi|zuHause> at least the minimum on my account is 0 23:36:21 <glx> that was my choice 23:36:44 <Prof_Frink> switchmaestro! With rathergood penguins! 23:37:34 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause> most banks here don't give credit to students <--- surprisingly I was (as a student) offered to borrow money so I could buy a car and pay it back in only (inset obscene number here) months 23:37:53 <glx> 36? 23:37:55 <ln-> over here all banks give credit cards to students having completed enough courses, and with no record of trouble with payments. 23:38:02 <Bjarni> I didn't like the car they offered and the interest looked kind of nasty too 23:38:08 <Bjarni> glx: I think it was even more 23:38:26 <Eddi|zuHause> funnily, once i had X euro on my account, a payment of X+3 going off from the account at day A, and a payment of Y going on the account at day A+1, so i ended up with Y-3 euro, and a (theoretical) -3 euro for one day 23:38:31 <glx> 36 is already a lot for a car 23:38:38 <Bjarni> unless I took care of the car I would still be paying on it when it was unable to drive 23:38:44 <Eddi|zuHause> but there was no complaint from the bank 23:38:50 <Bjarni> the offer was really weird 23:39:28 <ln-> actually, over here it is/was a lot easier to get a Visa by being a university student than by being a regular citizen. 23:39:33 <Bjarni> also I had to ensure it at a specific insurance company 23:40:07 <glx> hmm that implies pay more for no more guaranties 23:40:23 <Bjarni> they just forgot to ask one simple question: do I want my own car? :) 23:40:27 <mikl> Bjarni: it's like buying a phone from L'easy - you'll pay it off over three years... 23:40:37 <mikl> who keeps a mobile phone for three years? ;) 23:40:42 <glx> I do 23:40:48 <Gonozal_VIII> me too 23:40:50 <Bjarni> I do 23:40:54 <mikl> I usually manage to break mine every 6 months or so :( 23:41:00 <ln-> i've understood the requirements for a Visa are 1) a permanent job, 2) with high enough income, 3) and having had that job for at least 6 months. non-permanent jobs are not ok. 23:41:15 <mikl> last one got smashed in a car door 23:41:27 <Bjarni> :P 23:41:29 <ln-> while a student can get a Visa with virtually a zero-income and no job. 23:41:35 <mikl> don't remember what happened to the one before that, but the screen broke somehow 23:42:05 <glx> my old phone is still functional, but it needs a new battery 23:42:09 <orudge> ln-: it's funny, the bank gave me a Visa before they even gave me a Maestro debit card 23:42:26 <Bjarni> glx: same here.... I wonder if it's worth to invest in a new battery though 23:42:37 <glx> that's why I got a new one 23:42:42 <Bjarni> it wasn't even a high end phone to begin with 23:43:23 <Bjarni> usually I'm around a power supply when I need it though 23:43:38 <Bjarni> 12V,24V or 230V 23:43:53 <Gonozal_VIII> i got a new one because i switched to a different company and i coudn't unlock it 23:44:21 <glx> siemens c25, and now I have an alcatel OT 511 23:44:54 <Bjarni> <Gonozal_VIII> i got a new one because i switched to a different company and i coudn't unlock it <-- here the people who sells you the phone has to unlock it for free after 6 months 23:45:03 <glx> same here 23:45:12 <Bjarni> could be an EU rule 23:45:21 <ln-> we didn't have locked phones at all before 3G. 23:45:24 <Gonozal_VIII> never heard of that 23:45:35 <glx> though I didn't unlock any of my phone ;) 23:45:38 <ln-> and even now, only 3G phones are allowed to be locked. 23:45:39 <Bjarni> to allow free competition between the phone companies 23:46:03 <glx> apple will have problem with iphone ;) 23:46:22 <Bjarni> <glx> though I didn't unlock any of my phone ;) <-- I did... when I learned that I could cut my phone bill by around 70% by doing so 23:46:24 <ln-> iphone is already being sold unlocked in germany. 23:46:56 <Bjarni> iPhone is a real problem.... I wonder what will happen 23:47:14 <Eddi|zuHause> ln-: for 999⬠23:47:21 <ln-> Bjarni: next february you'll be porting OTTD for it. 23:47:27 <ln-> Eddi|zuHause: yeah. cheap as bread. 23:47:29 <mikl> In Denmark, we've always* had locked phones - but the vendor is required to fork over the codes on demand when you've had the phone for 6 months 23:47:30 <Bjarni> but I know what will not happen: I will not stand in line to become one of the first to get one 23:47:49 <Eddi|zuHause> but as i understood, they still have lawsuits going on wether they have to sell them unlocked or not 23:48:08 <mikl> that works fairly well - we have cheap phones, but we're not locked in for an unreasonable amount of time 23:48:13 <Bjarni> <ln-> Bjarni: next february you'll be porting OTTD for it. <-- I considered it but then I would have problems with screen size 23:48:32 <ln-> that's true. 23:48:34 <Gonozal_VIII> my old phone was a siemens a55... i think... and now i have a nokia 1110i.. or something 23:48:39 <Eddi|zuHause> the only phone i ever had said i could get the unlock codes for free after 2 years 23:48:53 <ln-> Bjarni: but if only running a dedicated server, that doesn't matter. 23:49:27 <mikl> ln-: the question is - why would you want to have a dedicated server on your iPhone? 23:49:41 <ln-> mikl: to attract females. 23:50:06 <Bjarni> my ISP locked my internet connection as well for 6 months... well they said that but when I upgraded the speed I got a slower speed instead and two bills... turned out that the problem was that they locked it for 2/1 years instead of 1/2 years 23:50:07 <mikl> ln-: I suppose that is an option... Humans have always had strange mating preferences ;) 23:50:15 <Bjarni> that was a real mess to clean up :( 23:51:07 <Bjarni> and the really stupid thing about it was that the lock prevented me from getting a higher speed at the same ISP :P 23:52:01 * ln- has 10/10 Mbit/s 23:52:07 <Bjarni> even though according to their conditions the lock shouldn't be a problem if I wanted to upgrade to a faster (read: more expensive) connection 23:52:09 * SmatZ doesn't 23:52:20 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... my newgrf directory disappeared... 23:52:23 <Eddi|zuHause> very strange... 23:52:37 <Gonozal_VIII> gnomes! 23:52:51 <Eddi|zuHause> 1. gather newgrfs 23:52:53 * mikl has 8/2 mbit 23:52:53 <Eddi|zuHause> 2. ??? 23:52:57 <DaleStan> I told you rm -rf was a bad idea. 23:52:58 <Eddi|zuHause> 3. profit!! 23:53:00 <Bjarni> ln-: the owner of the copper cables here considers upstream something to be avoided if possible so in extreme cases we can get 1,5 mb upstream... not more 23:53:10 <glx> Eddi|zuHause: too much SP ;) 23:53:10 <Bjarni> and preferable not more than 512 kb 23:53:19 <orudge> I have 832kbps upstream here, and that's the most they offer on a standard ADSL connection 23:53:36 <Bjarni> default 128 kbit upstream 23:53:36 <glx> 1023 up here 23:53:39 <mikl> Bjarni: it's not so bad after they've started rolling out ADSL2+ 23:53:44 <orudge> most ADSL Max connections are 448kbps upstream, standard ADSL is 288kbs up 23:53:44 <Bjarni> do any of you fancy a 4096/128 connection? 23:53:49 <mikl> I have that here, works admirably 23:53:54 <SmatZ> 4096/512 here 23:53:57 <Gonozal_VIII> 3mbit down, 384 kbit up 23:54:01 <Eddi|zuHause> i have something like 64kbit up 23:54:03 <orudge> 8132/832 here 23:54:12 <orudge> *8192 23:54:19 <orudge> (Although, in practice, it's closer to 6.5Mbps 23:54:20 <orudge> ) 23:54:22 <mikl> 8192/2048 :) 23:54:22 * ln- is connected through Cat5e/6 and optic fibre, no DSL technique at any point. 23:54:25 <glx> up to 20Mb/1Mb, but I can't get more than 4.5Mb 23:54:39 <mikl> ln-: unfair! 23:54:42 * orudge has 100Mbps down/up in comp sci though 23:54:48 <orudge> and indeed, I had that last year and the year before 23:55:12 <orudge> http://www.speedtest.net/result/205565327.png was the best result I got, I think, on speedtest.net 23:55:12 <ln-> mikl: the benefits of student apartments. 23:55:15 <glx> we'll have 100/50 with optic fiber (one day) 23:55:26 <Bjarni> <mikl> Bjarni: it's not so bad after they've started rolling out ADSL2+ <-- it's limited where you can get that and they still charge you a whole lot for upstream compared to other countries 23:55:58 <Bjarni> surprisingly Denmark has a whole lot of fast internet connections compared to other countries while we pay twice as much for the same speed 23:56:22 <mikl> Bjarni: that's right - monopoly bastards... 23:56:31 <Gonozal_VIII> 3mbit is 50 euro/month 23:56:41 <glx> 29.9⬠here 23:57:20 <glx> including TV and free phone to more than 50 countries 23:57:43 <Gonozal_VIII> used to be 2mbit limited to 15gb traffic for the same price 23:57:54 <Gonozal_VIII> including nothing 23:58:04 <ln-> 24/1 is 49.90⬠here, 2/1 is 33â¬, 8/1 is 39⬠23:58:26 <mikl> bleh, speedtest.net is 'orribly broken 23:58:34 <ln-> my 10/10: 0⬠23:58:46 <mikl> the best way to test your connection (downstream at any rate) is torrents :) 23:58:59 <orudge> well 23:59:02 <orudge> downstream if it's a private torrent 23:59:05 <orudge> upstream if it's a public torrent 23:59:09 <orudge> in my experience :P 23:59:17 <mikl> I usually peak at 832 KB/s 23:59:19 <glx> mikl: but that depends on seeders 23:59:27 <ln-> how's minitel doing? 23:59:37 <mikl> which means I get more or less what I pay for 23:59:55 <Eddi|zuHause> well, this is the right time to set up a common newgrf directory for all checkouts...