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00:00:19 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Zzz] 00:03:06 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 00:03:07 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 00:11:54 *** glx|away [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 00:11:55 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx|away] by ChanServ 00:11:55 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:12:11 *** glx|away is now known as glx 00:12:59 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c220-239-221-78.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:14:55 *** Andel is now known as RPAndel 00:15:21 *** RPAndel is now known as [RP]Andel 00:15:52 *** [RP]Andel is now known as RPAndel 00:16:00 *** RPAndel is now known as Andel 00:16:04 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB619D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:16:30 *** Korenn [~blaat@78-27-14-50.dsl.alice.nl] has quit [] 00:31:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r12063 /trunk/src/town_cmd.cpp: -Cleanup: use C++ indenting and variable scope/declaration in BuildTownHouse() 00:33:31 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm using that pbs is not easy 00:34:09 <Gonozal_VIII> but it's easy to create deadlocks and crashs :-) 00:35:15 <SmatZ> that's an advantage :) 00:36:34 *** Nitehawk [~nitehawk@c-98-200-106-108.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:36:49 <Sacro> w00t 00:36:51 <Sacro> crashes! 00:36:59 <SmatZ> Sacro: how? clean trunk? 00:37:13 <Sacro> SmatZ: no, pbs :p 00:37:19 <Gonozal_VIII> too many signals... deadlock 00:37:24 <SmatZ> Sacro: then it's ok :) 00:37:26 <Gonozal_VIII> not enough signals... fireball^^ 00:37:37 <Sacro> :D 00:37:45 <Sacro> Brianetta will recall my 8 train pileup 00:38:25 <Sacro> http://tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=41247 00:39:15 *** safgfdsjghajfd [~Gonozal_V@N859P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 00:39:15 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest435 00:39:16 *** Guest435 is now known as Guest436 00:39:16 *** safgfdsjghajfd is now known as Gonozal_VIII 00:39:46 <Gonozal_VIII> stupid disconnects 00:41:17 <Gonozal_VIII> as far as i can tell the patch works like intended 00:43:41 <Sacro> so does your mum 00:43:52 *** Nitehawk [~nitehawk@c-98-200-106-108.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:44:27 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-64-31.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Oh ye, Sacro, deeper!!] 00:45:33 *** Guest436 [~Gonozal_V@N859P017.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:51:58 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:59:20 <Sacro> michi_cc: neither of your diffs work 00:59:37 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 00:59:44 <glx> if it works for Gonozal_VIII, it should work for you Sacro 00:59:57 <Gonozal_VIII> doesn't work with tortoise 00:59:57 <Sacro> glx: he didn't do it from svn root for a start 01:00:03 <Sacro> looks like he used it in src/ 01:00:14 <Gonozal_VIII> works from source 01:00:17 * Sacro could do with a binary 01:00:25 <Sacro> or to switch to linux 01:00:42 <Gonozal_VIII> cd C:\OpenTTD\test\source 01:00:42 <Gonozal_VIII> patch -p1 < C:\OpenTTD\test\yapp_r12062_v3.patch 01:00:48 <Gonozal_VIII> i did that :-) 01:01:43 <Gonozal_VIII> but i made a patch with tortoise afterwards out of the result, should i upload that? 01:02:41 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-183-57.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:07:46 <Sacro> meh 01:07:50 <Sacro> will it compile in VS2005 01:08:23 <Gonozal_VIII> no idea... compiles fine with mingw, first version didn't 01:16:08 <DaleStan> DJ-Nekkid: I still don't understand why you're anding the low byte of var 40 with 0xBB. 01:16:41 <glx> I think he doesn't know what he's doing 01:16:50 <SmatZ> :D 01:17:25 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5E044.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:17:54 <DaleStan> Well, I figured that, but I'm hoping that question will make him notice that he's not doing what he thinks he's doing. 01:18:27 <glx> I don't even know if he read the docs 01:22:08 *** 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Lost terminal] 04:30:12 *** mcbane_ZZzzz [~Maui_key@p5498E95D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:30:20 *** mcbane [~Maui_key@p5498D988.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:39:53 *** sdgdsgfg [~Gonozal_V@N743P029.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 04:39:53 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest464 04:39:53 *** Guest464 is now known as Guest465 04:39:54 *** sdgdsgfg is now known as Gonozal_VIII 04:46:18 *** Guest465 [~Gonozal_V@N743P029.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:49:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r12064 /trunk/src/ (bridge.h newgrf.cpp table/bridge_land.h tunnelbridge_cmd.cpp): -Codechange : Give grf bridges their own ResetBridges function, and put bridge spec in table/bridge_land.h, where it should be. 04:56:52 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:59:31 <Belugas> frag... 04:59:42 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm? 05:00:03 <Gonozal_VIII> what did you frag up? 05:00:42 <Belugas> forgotten to remove a declaration 05:01:26 <Gonozal_VIII> when removing stuff, always search the source if it's used anywhere else :-) 05:02:01 <Gonozal_VIII> got a 4 bit system for storing ground type now 05:03:03 <Gonozal_VIII> doesn't offer fancy new stuff like my 6 or 7 bit system but covers the stuff we have now 05:04:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r12065 /trunk/src/bridge.h: -Codechange : removed a now useless declaration ( orig_bridge ) 05:04:51 <Belugas> mmh? 05:05:24 <Gonozal_VIII> http://gonozalviii.go.funpic.de/OpenTTD/4%20bit%20terrain.png 05:07:02 *** gfldex [~dex@dslb-088-074-173-210.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 05:08:53 *** gfldex_ [~dex@dslb-088-074-167-150.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:09:52 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 05:17:03 <Belugas> interesting 05:18:03 <Gonozal_VIII> http://gonozalviii.go.funpic.de/OpenTTD/terrain.png <-- the three combined 05:21:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r12066 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs): 05:21:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Rename GetBridge for the more common GetBridgeSpec 05:21:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Remove direct access to the _bridge table in favor of the above mentioned GetBridgeSpec 05:21:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Rationalize the use of Bridge type pointer 05:22:02 <Gonozal_VIII> you weren't joking when you said you had some new bridge stuff 05:22:53 <Belugas> hehe 05:22:59 <Belugas> only started ;) 05:23:09 <Gonozal_VIII> :D 05:23:13 <Belugas> but not anymore for tonight... 05:23:18 <Belugas> time to hit the bed 05:23:21 <Belugas> night 05:23:23 <Gonozal_VIII> night 05:24:30 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-88-121.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 05:40:57 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:46:18 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N743P029.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:46:27 *** GoneWacko 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<peter1138> Yes. 09:53:02 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 09:53:11 <Sacro> ooh good 09:53:13 <peter1138> Takes a bit of getting used to. 09:53:20 <Sacro> what are the odds of it getting trunk'd? 09:53:29 <Gekz> peter1138: have you translated it yet? 09:53:39 <peter1138> Translated? 09:53:45 <peter1138> Oh, yes. 09:54:17 <Sacro> churchill dog? 09:54:47 * Sacro is bored of this lecture 09:54:53 <Sacro> :( 09:54:59 <Sacro> useage of the "static" keyword 09:55:17 <Sacro> he should really be using const on those keywords 09:56:46 <valhallasw> Sacro: don't do drugs^H^H^H^H^H^H CS classes :p 09:57:13 <Gekz> peter1138: tell me then 09:57:25 <Sacro> valhallasw: they aren't so bad, jsut a tad early in the morning 09:57:45 <peter1138> You never said I had to tell you. 09:58:41 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-130-207.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 10:01:58 <Gekz> peter1138: ... yes I did. 10:02:07 <Gekz> lol 10:03:44 *** Aerandir 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11:19:23 *** Noldo_ is now known as Noldo 11:20:26 <Brianetta> á¡-: 11:20:37 <peter1138> God. Damn. It. 11:20:40 <peter1138> I hate PCI. 11:20:57 <Noldo> what did it do? 11:29:47 <peter1138> Password change policies. 11:31:38 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 11:32:30 *** DJ-Nekkid [~DJNekkid@gprs-ggsn5-nat.mobil.telenor.no] has joined #openttd 11:39:25 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F7FB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:40:21 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:47:06 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:57:47 <peter1138> michi_cc, michi_cc, michi_cc 11:58:01 <yorick> ? 11:58:09 <peter1138> Summoning :p 11:58:12 <yorick> why are you highlighting mihi_cc? 11:59:03 <Noldo> PBS stuff 12:00:44 <Gekz> pms? 12:01:29 <yorick> I think I'm going to play with the YAPP a bit 12:02:01 <peter1138> Quite. 12:02:27 <peter1138> Gah, no #ifndef in c# :( 12:02:48 <Noldo> really? 12:02:54 <yorick> does the path reservation callback for newstations work with it? 12:03:10 <peter1138> There is no path reservation callback for newstations. 12:03:40 <yorick> how does industrial stations renewal open and close its sheds in ttdpatch then? 12:03:56 <peter1138> It uses the path reservation status. 12:04:10 <yorick> still, does that work with YAPP? 12:04:21 <peter1138> No. 12:04:28 <yorick> not yet? 12:07:18 <peter1138> http://paste.openttd.org/516 12:07:50 <yorick> nasty hack ^^ 12:08:13 <yorick> return 2; 12:08:21 <peter1138> No it wasn't. 12:08:45 <yorick> what's that thing for? 12:10:38 <peter1138> What's what for? 12:12:00 <yorick> the case 0x44: return 2; // PBS status 12:12:03 <yorick> oh wait 12:12:08 <yorick> I didn't notice the - 12:16:45 <peter1138> mahna mahna 12:17:28 <yorick> tuutuuudidudu 12:20:35 <yorick> michi michi? 12:23:13 <Noldo> a wanted man 12:23:46 <Forked> make one cool thing and everybody is all over you constantly :) 12:32:02 <Noldo> yeah 12:33:00 <Tron_> peter1138: #if !$IDENTIFER 12:33:31 *** DJ-Nekkid [~DJNekkid@gprs-ggsn5-nat.mobil.telenor.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:33:35 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 12:33:50 *** DJ-Nekkid [~DJNekkid@gprs-ggsn5-nat.mobil.telenor.no] has joined #openttd 12:35:44 <peter1138> oh... obviously :) 12:35:50 <peter1138> Morning 12:35:53 <peter1138> er... afternoon 12:36:53 <Tron> ECMA-334 §9.5 for all available preprocessing stuff 12:37:20 <yorick> the YAPP seems to work 12:37:31 <yorick> better than I could ever imagine 12:38:10 <peter1138> it is a little reduced from what is available with cpp 12:38:19 <peter1138> "seeming" to work is not enough 12:38:48 <yorick> if it would restore savegame compat 12:39:13 <peter1138> It can load savegames fine. 12:39:29 <yorick> but saving and loading with normal isn't going to work? 12:55:51 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 12:56:07 <SmatZ> hello 12:56:10 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489C556.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:57:49 <Noldo> SmatZ: have you checked how the tile ownership works with level crossings? 12:58:11 <Noldo> ref FS1693 13:01:16 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489DE6B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:03:42 <SmatZ> Noldo: I think it works - maybe it has problems when there is tram too... thanks for suggestion 13:06:27 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8122C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:06:38 <nzvip> ;-; 13:06:46 <nzvip> Any one can help with an array of structs? 13:06:52 <nzvip> struct tnode_t kids[NODE_CHILDREN]; //< I cannot get that to work. 13:07:02 <nzvip> Been too long since I have coded in C. 13:07:29 <Noldo> what's the error? 13:07:48 <nzvip> Incomplete element type. 13:07:55 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80EEF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:07:58 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 13:08:50 <peter1138> Then you have no definition of tnode_t? 13:09:07 <nzvip> Of course I have. 13:09:11 <nzvip> It is defined within tnode_t. 13:09:21 <nzvip> I am trying to make a tree of nodes. 13:09:23 <peter1138> tnode_t is defined within tnode_t? 13:09:29 <nzvip> Uh. 13:09:32 <nzvip> You know what I mean. 13:10:05 <peter1138> struct tnode_t { struct tnode_t kids[NODE_CHILDREN]; }; ? 13:10:14 <nzvip> Sort of. 13:10:32 <peter1138> Well that would never work. 13:10:36 <nzvip> Explain. 13:10:52 <peter1138> It would be infinitely large. 13:10:55 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 13:10:58 <nzvip> Oh that. 13:11:01 <peter1138> You probably want a * 13:11:06 <nzvip> Uh. 13:11:15 <nzvip> As well? Or without? 13:11:23 <nzvip> Uh. 13:11:26 <peter1138> Heh 13:11:29 <nzvip> s/without/in replacement of/ 13:11:54 *** Tekky [~Tekky@p5493FE82.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:11:56 <Noldo> you need a array of pointers to tnode_t instead of array tnode_t's 13:11:59 <Noldo> hi Tekky 13:12:11 <nzvip> :o 13:12:13 <Tekky> hi everyone :) 13:12:17 <nzvip> I forget how you do that. 13:12:35 <Noldo> with a star as peter1138 mentioned 13:12:53 <nzvip> But I get errors as well when I do that. 13:13:13 *** yorick is now known as Yorick|AFK 13:13:25 <nzvip> Uhm. 13:13:28 <nzvip> But that error may be unrelated. 13:13:33 <nzvip> It complains about a for loop. 13:13:46 <Noldo> google for tree examples, there should be plenty 13:14:10 <nzvip> \o/ 13:14:14 <peter1138> Yay, ICE3 :D 13:14:15 <nzvip> I win again, gravity. 13:14:43 <peter1138> Hmm, I need to straighten my tracks a bit... 13:17:25 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:22:31 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 13:23:41 <nzvip> for(i = 0; i < kids; i++) fprintf(new->kids[i], "Test %d child", i); 13:23:54 <nzvip> >:O Why is fprintf complaining now? 13:24:41 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB4BA5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:24:59 <Noldo> elements are type tnode_t and the first parameter of fprintf is not 13:26:51 *** DJ-Nekkid [~DJNekkid@gprs-ggsn5-nat.mobil.telenor.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:28:44 <peter1138> :o 13:28:57 <peter1138> Randomly try things until they work? 13:29:42 <Noldo> seems so 13:30:22 <peter1138> "If at first you don't succeed, try random shit and hope" 13:32:18 <Noldo> "If at first you don't succeed, cheat" 13:33:14 <Gekz> "if you cheat and don't succeed, kill yourself." 13:38:27 <Korenn> if at first you don't succeed, skydiving isn't the sport for you 13:39:17 <Gekz> LOL 13:44:02 <peter1138> Hmm, I have some trains stuck in a depot :o 13:46:31 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm243.epsilon120.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [] 13:56:18 <Noldo> peter1138: both think the other is on the way? 13:57:34 <SmatZ> peter1138: clean trunk? signalling bug? 13:58:11 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:59:00 <Gekz> peter1138: electric rail, diesel line? 13:59:03 <Gekz> erm 13:59:12 <Gekz> diesel debot 13:59:16 <Gekz> depot* 13:59:18 <Gekz> woo... 13:59:43 <peter1138> SmatZ, with 'YAPP' heh 14:00:03 <SmatZ> peter1138: ah, ok :) 14:00:43 <Tekky> peter1138: I had the same problem once, too. I solved it by using "ignore signal" with the train. 14:01:02 <Tekky> after the new train made a new reservation, the old reservation which causes the bug was gone. 14:01:24 <peter1138> I've got a loop outside the depot. It seems some trains want to go around the loop instead of going where they should :o 14:02:00 <Tekky> are you using the latest YAPP patch? I had this bug once too, but it was fixed in the latest patch, as far as I can tell. 14:02:13 <peter1138> v3 14:02:26 <Tekky> aha, then you are using the latest patch. 14:02:33 <peter1138> I need to check the rest of the network. It might be they can't properly find a path. 14:03:17 <Tekky> if you can't find out why, maybe I can take a look at your savegame, if you want. 14:03:33 <Tekky> because I am very familiar with the new PBS signals. 14:04:02 <Tekky> I was the one who designed them, just I was not the one who implemented them.... 14:05:38 <Tekky> Therefore, I should be able to tell whether it is a bug or not. 14:06:18 <peter1138> Hmm, well my savegame doesn't have any trains in that depot 14:06:39 <peter1138> I reload after I had a train crash (semi-cheat!) 14:07:28 <peter1138> Must've gone there where I did some track rebuilding 14:07:59 <Tekky> hehe :) 14:08:02 *** orudge` [~orudge@201.39.95.8] has joined #openttd 14:08:03 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge`] by ChanServ 14:11:38 <Tekky> I've had many issues with track reservations not being cleared, but haven't been able to reproduce these issues. 14:11:51 <peter1138> Hmm, sometimes trains reserve track out of a station when they're still loading. 14:13:38 <Belugas> doog day 14:13:43 <Belugas> gaaa 14:13:47 <Belugas> good day 14:13:52 <Tekky> I've never had that issue.... 14:14:04 <peter1138> Doesn't happen very often 14:15:04 *** egladil [~egladil@83.233.184.124] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:15:34 <Belugas> coffee... lotsa 14:16:35 <Tekky> peter1138: Are you sure the train was still loading? Could it be that the train broke down while still in the platform after having reserved a route out of the station? 14:16:48 <Tekky> hi Belugas :) 14:16:49 <peter1138> Yes, it was loading. 14:17:25 <Belugas> hello Tekky 14:17:28 <Belugas> slurrrrrp 14:17:30 <Belugas> haaaaaaa 14:17:40 <Tekky> peter1138: Strange, I never had any such issues.... 14:18:18 <Tekky> and I have been already playing for 10 hours with the new PBS patch :) 14:18:23 <Tekky> I had very little sleep last night :) 14:18:39 <peter1138> :D 14:18:46 <Belugas> same in here, but not for the same reasons... 14:19:27 <peter1138> Up with your wife, eh? ;) 14:20:49 <peter1138> Only thing I want now is some kind of priority signalling 14:20:58 <peter1138> (Not the horrible nasty stuff that the openttdcoop lot do) 14:21:51 <peter1138> Maybe restrictive signals, but waypoints can handle most of that 14:23:14 <Vikthor> Well Kudr had some plan to implement programmable signals with Squirell scripts, but he is not active lately 14:23:27 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/yappgame.sav is what i have been playing 14:23:41 <peter1138> (requires some newgrfs) 14:24:53 <Tekky> Since the signalling system now is train-driven and not signal-driven (at least with the new signals), I think it would be more meaningful to implement priority trains and not priority signals. 14:25:17 <peter1138> Hmm, point. 14:26:27 <Belugas> no peter... doing plumbery, or kitchen faucet plus sink installation 14:26:32 <Belugas> fun fun fun 14:27:20 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:27:37 <orudge`> ... a new PBS patch, eh? 14:27:37 <Vikthor> Tekky: Well, you can have situations, where train with higher priority joins main track and stops traffic on the main track, because there happens to be low priority train first, but three others with even higher priority behind it. 14:27:41 <orudge`> intriguing 14:28:06 <Tekky> orudge: Yes, http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=36107 14:28:39 <peter1138> kitchen TAP! 14:29:40 <orudge`> yappity yapp 14:29:50 <Tekky> Vikthor: Yes, trains with higher priority must be able to "bump" or "push" trains with lower priority, i.e. to temporarily give them a higher priority. 14:30:01 *** egladil [~egladil@83.233.184.124] has joined #openttd 14:30:11 <Tekky> Trains with higher priority will do this if a train with lower priority is blocking their way. 14:30:21 <peter1138> bump... push...? 14:30:37 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 14:30:42 <peter1138> i want non-stop through trains to have priority over trains just leaving a platform, for example 14:31:04 <Tekky> yes, it is a form of "pushing", if you give a train another train a higher priority in order to get further yourself :) 14:31:19 <Tekky> correction: yes, it is a form of "pushing", if you give another train a higher priority in order to get further yourself :) 14:31:20 <Belugas> Drag and draw.... looks pretty cool to me 14:31:53 <Vikthor> Tekky: hmm, good idea 14:32:06 <Tekky> actually, in my (unfinished) code, I call this function BumpTrain() :) 14:32:22 *** Yorick|AFK is now known as Yorick 14:32:29 <peter1138> well for me push/bump means actually touch the other train ;) 14:33:15 <Tekky> no, you can push a train with an object, such as a stick :) 14:33:34 <Tekky> or you can bump it by throwing an object at it :) 14:33:55 <Tekky> thereby increasing its speed. 14:34:33 <Forked> s/Bump/Hump ? 14:38:13 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DA87.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:38:17 <fjb> Hello 14:38:43 <Yorick> hello 14:39:42 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.36 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 14:47:51 *** Yorick is now known as Yorick|AFK 14:48:19 *** frosch123 [~mtce@pascal.math.tu-clausthal.de] has joined #openttd 14:50:23 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-87-2.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 14:51:15 *** Yorick|AFK is now known as Yorick 14:55:21 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:59:31 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N802P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 15:00:16 <Yorick> Gonozal_VIII! 15:00:24 <Gonozal_VIII> hi 15:01:54 <Belugas> Who can be described as the best bridge drawing guru, in your opinion? 15:01:58 <Belugas> question to all 15:04:30 <Zavior> Is pbs in nightlies? 15:04:32 <Gonozal_VIII> well.. from the bridges i know, i like pikkas brick viaduct best... but that's only one bridge 15:04:57 <frosch123> I think there are only the brick viaduct and new bridges: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=7583 15:05:40 <frosch123> though I remember some work for a new version of newbridges 15:06:18 <Gonozal_VIII> yes there's a topic with unfinished bridges somewhere 15:07:14 <Gonozal_VIII> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=32720 15:09:17 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-234-220.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:10:56 *** mikl [~mikl@0x5733cec6.boanxx22.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 15:13:05 <Yorick> michi_cc, I've found a bug in your YAPP, when trains enter at exactly the same moment, they can crash into eachother 15:13:05 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 15:13:18 <Belugas> excellent 15:13:25 <Belugas> got my hands full now :) 15:13:30 <Belugas> thanks 15:13:33 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:13:52 <Gonozal_VIII> yorick, i think you forgot to place signals somewhere then 15:14:01 <Yorick> erm...no 15:14:07 <Yorick> I don't think so... 15:14:39 <Yorick> one train was waiting for the other train that was waiting for another train 15:14:58 <Gonozal_VIII> i've had some crashes too... a lot of crashes^^ it's not easy to build with the pbs... but i couldn't find something it does wrong 15:15:10 <Gonozal_VIII> screenshot 15:15:26 <Yorick> when the other train turned around, to see it can't go backwards aswell, the train's signal went green 15:15:43 <Gonozal_VIII> turned around? 15:15:48 <Gonozal_VIII> trains shouldn't turn around 15:16:20 <Yorick> reverse 15:16:32 <Yorick> like when waiting for a normal signal too long 15:16:49 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, they don't do that with the patch 15:17:05 <Yorick> well...it did 15:17:16 <Tekky> trains do reverse on non-PBS signals, even with the patch. 15:17:21 <Tekky> they never reverse on PBS signals. 15:17:26 <Yorick> yes 15:17:40 <Gonozal_VIII> they only did that for me if there's some other path like into a depot 15:17:42 <Yorick> there are non-PBS signals after the PBS signals 15:17:54 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 15:17:54 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 15:18:02 <Tekky> so if you use non-PBS signals, you must protect your track layout against train reversal. 15:18:04 <Gonozal_VIII> ah non pbs signals 15:18:30 <Tekky> I personally only use PBS signals, then I have no issues with train reversal. 15:18:45 <Yorick> I have to use something after the PBS signals to prevent them from crashing... 15:19:24 <Gonozal_VIII> the backside of normal pbs signals can't show red... train doesn't know he has to stop and boom... there's the other type of pbs signals for that 15:19:47 <Yorick> the thing reverses, and when it finds a one-way signal after that, it reverses again, while the other train is starting...and boom 15:19:50 <Tekky> Zavior: No, PBS is not in the latest nightly, it is only available in this patch: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=36107 15:20:55 <Gonozal_VIII> so the train moves without a path... stupid train 15:21:47 <Yorick> yes 15:22:09 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:22:16 <Gonozal_VIII> they should only reverse if it makes sense, even with normal signals... 15:22:34 <Yorick> I'll upload a save 15:22:35 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 15:23:09 <Gonozal_VIII> if there's a signal behind them that they can't pass from that direction... why bother turning 15:23:09 <Tekky> in the post http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=662584#p662584 the patch author describes what has to be taken into account when mixing non-PBS signals with PBS signals, in order to prevent crashes. 15:23:19 <Yorick> http://rapidshare.de/files/38497508/modified_coop.sav.html 15:23:28 *** k3ks [~k3ks@X4c02.x.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 15:23:30 <Yorick> unpause the game 15:23:34 <Yorick> and wait till they crash 15:24:06 * SmatZ has to wait 10 hours to download from rapidshare :-P 15:24:25 <Yorick> I have a script that modifies the download times 15:24:34 <k3ks> hi, i've got a question, is there a timeline that shows when a new building will be available? 15:24:39 <Yorick> no 15:24:51 <k3ks> :( 15:24:59 <k3ks> i want bigger airports ... 15:25:05 <k3ks> but thx 15:25:07 <Gonozal_VIII> should be in the wiki 15:25:35 <Gonozal_VIII> but a fast way to find out is to start a new single player game and cheat the time up until it's available 15:26:10 <Tekky> k3ks: Here is the link: http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Airports 15:26:36 <Tekky> k3ks: Here it shows which kind of airport is introduced when. 15:26:58 <Gonozal_VIII> first hit on google was a forum post where somebody asked the same question and first answer was that link^^ 15:27:06 <Tekky> hehe 15:28:32 <Tekky> Yorick: I am downloading your save now. 15:29:03 <k3ks> thx ^^ i thought i search the wiki enough but doesn't seem so 15:34:39 <Tekky> Yorick: I am missing NewGRFs for your save, what is ottdc_grfpack? Where can I get it? 15:35:14 <Gonozal_VIII> newgrfs don't matter 15:35:18 <Tekky> Yorick: I get a crash when I unpause your game, but the trains don't crash. Instead, OpenTTD crashes due to the missing NewGRF :) 15:35:22 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 15:35:29 <Gonozal_VIII> oh^^ 15:35:40 <Gonozal_VIII> some newgrfs matter^^ 15:35:51 <Yorick> Tekky: openttdcoop grfpack 15:37:30 <fjb> Tekky: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/GRF 15:37:34 <Tekky> Yorick: Is this the correct link? http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/GRF 15:37:39 <Tekky> ah, thx :) 15:37:44 <Tekky> thx fjb :) 15:38:39 <Yorick> yes 15:39:24 <Tekky> should I download Version 6? 15:39:34 <Tekky> or Version 6Plus? 15:40:36 <Yorick> to be sure, download the plus version 15:40:37 <Tekky> ah, Version 6 works. 15:40:58 <Gonozal_VIII> bah, shouldn't have merged all those patches, now updating is a mess 15:44:35 <Tekky> Yorick: Ok I see the problem now. 15:45:16 <Tekky> This, however, is not a bug. This is a result of the limited compatibility between PBS and non-PBS signals. 15:45:49 <Tekky> just a moment, I will try to get the layout to work by changing a few signals to PBS 15:46:06 <Yorick> so the patch that combines them could be the problem ;) 15:47:38 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm can't merge a grf into a patch 15:47:52 <Gonozal_VIII> ah, can but not that way 15:47:55 <Yorick> did you add it using svn 15:48:04 <Yorick> svn add file 15:48:10 <Yorick> or something like that 15:48:33 <Gonozal_VIII> tortoise... 15:48:44 <Yorick> your problem 15:49:21 <peter1138> Rule 1) There should be no train crashes without user intervention 15:49:35 <peter1138> "dodgy signal layout" should at worst cause stalled trains 15:49:37 <SpComb> boo, boring 15:49:56 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:50:04 <Gonozal_VIII> there are rv and plane crashes without user intervention 15:50:08 * Yorick agrees with peter1138 15:50:09 <peter1138> changing signals near trains is of course liable to cause problems and that is okay 15:50:26 <Yorick> Gonozal_VII: "...train crashes..." 15:50:30 <Yorick> I 15:51:28 <Gonozal_VIII> i know that he wrote train but why should they be safe no matter what? 15:51:57 *** LordAzamath [~LordAzama@ip18.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 15:52:02 * LordAzamath greets 15:52:10 <Gonozal_VIII> but that they reverse and drive around without a path should be changed 15:52:14 <Gonozal_VIII> hi la 15:52:48 <Yorick> Gonozal_VIII: what if they CAN leave with reversing 15:53:15 <Yorick> and then the path will still be reserved? 15:53:20 <Gonozal_VIII> it should trigger a new path reservation not just, yay i reversed, now i don't care about anything anymore 15:53:57 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 15:54:05 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 15:54:08 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 15:55:44 <Gonozal_VIII> what i mean is.. it should check for a new path backwards before reversing and if there is none, don't reverse 15:56:15 <Yorick> or just-don't reverse when having reserved a path 15:56:24 <Yorick> remove the whole reversing 15:56:33 <Yorick> what is it needed for? 15:56:43 <Gonozal_VIII> something went wrong if the train has a reserved path but can't go there... 15:57:36 <Gonozal_VIII> can that happen without user interaction? 15:57:45 <Yorick> it shouldn't 15:58:01 <Yorick> because the pathfinder shouldn't determine that path 15:59:21 <Tekky> Yorick: I think I did find a bug, actually. 15:59:44 <peter1138> at the least, a train on an unreserved path shouldn't be allowed to go through pbs signals the wrong way 16:00:10 <peter1138> (obviously it can go through the right way, as then it'll reserve a path) 16:00:49 <Yorick> tekky: tel me 16:00:50 <Yorick> l 16:01:57 <Gonozal_VIII> don't go backwards through pbs signals if you don't have a path... sounds ok 16:02:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> <Tekky> Vikthor: Yes, trains with higher priority must be able to "bump" or "push" trains with lower priority, i.e. to temporarily give them a higher priority. <- http://www.stellwerke.de/signal/deutsch/zs.html#zs4 [german] ZS 4 and 5 !! ;) 16:03:27 *** sdfdgsdhf [~Gonozal_V@N802P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 16:03:27 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest504 16:03:28 *** sdfdgsdhf is now known as Gonozal_VIII 16:04:43 <Tekky> Yorick; I am still analyzing the bug and trying to reproduce it. I want to see when it happens and when not. 16:06:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> explanation for non-german-speakers: ZS 4 (the 'K' plate) is means 'drive at maximum speed, a faster train is behind you and cannot overtake', ZS 5 (the 'L' plate) means 'drive at 2/3 of maximum speed, a slower train is in front of you, avoid stopping at red signal' 16:07:51 <Gonozal_VIII> oh, missed that link 16:08:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> http://www.stellwerke.de/signal/deutsch/kl-tafel.html <- pictures 16:08:46 <Gonozal_VIII> the trains always go at max speed anyways 16:09:02 <Gonozal_VIII> but slowdown without stopping... nice 16:09:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> once upon a time there was a "yellow signals" patch that did that 16:10:00 *** Guest504 [~Gonozal_V@N802P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:10:14 *** lekro [~lekro@s01060014513484ae.ss.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 16:10:43 <Gonozal_VIII> optimal way would be to look ahead, read the speed of the train ahead and adapt to that 16:11:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> LZB!! 16:12:23 <Tekky> Eddi: These are instructions for the driver of the train. In OpenTTD, trains drive at max speed at all times anyway, so there is no need for such signs. What train priority should influence is not the speed of trains but instead which train gets a green signal first. 16:12:53 <Tekky> and with LZB, there are no signals :) 16:12:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> Tekky: well, yeah, i just wanted to throw that link in here ;) 16:13:04 <Gonozal_VIII> you can do that with the distance of the pbs signals to the junction 16:13:15 <Tekky> if you are using LZB, there is no need for any signals :) 16:14:03 <peter1138> LZB? 16:14:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, not all trains have LZB installed, in order to run trains without LZB on a high speed track, there are still "normal" signals there, just not at every (virtual) signal block 16:15:37 <Tekky> peter1138: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LZB 16:15:39 <peter1138> Hmm, it is possible to remove reserved track :o 16:16:00 <Tekky> peter1138: Yes, but only piece by piece, I think. 16:16:39 <peter1138> Well it stays reserved 16:16:51 <peter1138> Even though it is not there :o 16:16:53 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm what i understood was that it's impossible piece by piece but possible with area tools 16:17:05 <Gonozal_VIII> but didn't test that aspect 16:17:38 <Tekky> Yorick: I have identified the problem now. 16:17:54 <Yorick> (: 16:17:58 <peter1138> It is only impossible for diagonal tiles 16:18:11 <peter1138> N-S and E-W track can be removed 16:18:25 <Tekky> Yorick: You must keep at least one train length between PBS and non-PBS signals. 16:19:15 <Tekky> Yorick: Then everything seems to work. 16:19:20 <peter1138> If you remove said piece a train will go on another path, unreserved, and then likely crash, heh 16:21:49 <peter1138> Weird, it's not letting me remove them now 16:22:01 <Gonozal_VIII> sometimes tortoise merge really sucks^^ 16:22:30 <Gonozal_VIII> unresolvable conflict... number of spaces between bool autoslope; and ///< Allow terraforming under things. 16:22:43 <Yorick> }) 16:22:48 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:22:51 <peter1138> Ah 16:22:55 <peter1138> Now that must be a silly bug 16:23:03 <peter1138> I can't remove reserved track when I'm using the rail tool 16:23:08 <Yorick> use patch.exe, Gonozal_VIII 16:23:10 <peter1138> I can remove it when I'm using the elrail tool 16:23:15 *** wells [~lonelyp@222.93.129.159] has joined #openttd 16:23:37 <Gonozal_VIII> nah, there are real conflicts to solfe 16:23:39 <Yorick> same :D 16:23:39 <Gonozal_VIII> v 16:23:43 <Gonozal_VIII> like v^^ 16:23:58 <Gonozal_VIII> v to this in vehicles 16:26:05 <Tekky> peter1138: If you cannot enter a piece of track due to a "leftover" reservation, the only way to clear that reservation I have found is to force another train onto that track using "ignore signal" in order to make that new train the owner of the reservation. 16:26:26 <LordAzamath> is there any patch option that disables subsidies? 16:26:53 <LordAzamath> ok.. stupid question 16:27:32 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 16:27:35 <LordAzamath> I want to play with only subsidies.. But there werwen't ay.. so I thought I had pressed some wrong button 16:27:37 <peter1138> Tekky, yes 16:28:07 *** RoRTom [~thomas@p57B7E848.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:28:15 <RoRTom> hi all 16:28:32 <RoRTom> any devs in here? 16:29:04 <RoRTom> i would like to know how your crashdump code is working :D 16:29:11 <RoRTom> or who wrote it ;) 16:29:19 <Yorick> check out the source 16:29:24 <RoRTom> did 16:29:31 <RoRTom> not much help there :| 16:29:36 <wells> Hello everybody. I add some patches on openttd 0.6.0beta3, but it can't load previous savegame. openttd reports "invalid trunk size" I don't know why. can anybody help me? my patch did not modify the saveload.cpp. 16:29:39 <RoRTom> just some inline asm 16:29:53 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 16:30:21 <Yorick> wells: things that got broken with a patch are not to be answered by OpenTTD developers ;) 16:30:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> wells: talk to the patch author(s) 16:30:47 <wells> I am the patch authour -_-b 16:31:25 <wells> I don't know why my patch made openttd cannot load previous savegame ... 16:31:33 <Vikthor> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/OpenTTDDevBlackBook/Patches/AddPatchOption -- paragraph SAVEGAME VERSION & CONDVARs 16:31:43 <wells> thanks 16:31:51 <wells> I'll read it now 16:31:52 <Vikthor> I hope it helps 16:31:55 <wells> thanks! 16:32:12 <RoRTom> win32.cpp line 461 : static LONG WINAPI ExceptionHandler(EXCEPTION_POINTERS *ep) 16:32:15 <RoRTom> :-\ 16:32:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> this option stuff needs a serious overhaul 16:33:25 <RoRTom> im coding on http://rigsofrods.com and want to add this dump ability also :-\ 16:36:20 <glx> we just followed msdn examples 16:37:56 <RoRTom> oh 16:38:00 <RoRTom> there are some :| 16:38:06 * RoRTom feels ashamed 16:38:14 <RoRTom> i should have looked better :| 16:39:08 <Gonozal_VIII> successfully updated to 12040, only 26 revisions to go :-) 16:39:14 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5680.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:39:20 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5680.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 16:41:12 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.106.254] has joined #openttd 16:42:32 <peter1138> invalid "trunk" size, hehehe 16:42:47 <hylje> hehheheh 16:42:57 <glx> should be chunk ;) 16:43:23 <GoneWacko> No. That's just silly. 16:43:41 <peter1138> yay for pbs 16:43:46 <GoneWacko> :o 16:43:49 <peter1138> yay for nice simple junctions without huge flyovers 16:43:50 <GoneWacko> in trunk? 16:43:57 <peter1138> no 16:44:00 <GoneWacko> Boo. 16:44:02 <Yorick> yay 16:44:19 <GoneWacko> Give me OpenTTD with pbs and conditional signals and I'll switch from TTDPatch :p 16:45:06 <keyweed> pull the repository and start coding! 16:45:13 <Gonozal_VIII> pbs is there 16:45:29 <peter1138> when does maglev appear in dbsetxl? 16:45:44 <Gonozal_VIII> 2008 16:45:47 <Gonozal_VIII> i think 16:45:47 <wells> Thanks, the problem solved!!! 16:45:53 <peter1138> Damn, it's 2009 already :o 16:46:26 <wells> Vikthor, Thanks! the problem solved! 16:46:36 <wells> :) 16:46:38 <Gonozal_VIII> well... +-random 16:46:50 <GoneWacko> I would if it wasn't that the most intricate C++ code I ever wrote was a hello world application with Boost's program_options library, keyweed 16:47:14 <Vikthor> wells: Thank to whoever wrote that article :D 16:47:32 <glx> RoRTom: wow RoR looks nice 16:47:49 <Gonozal_VIII> yay, 12060 16:48:43 <keyweed> GoneWacko: good start. start at the beginning and continue till the end. 16:49:06 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:49:09 *** dih [~nathanael@212.126.210.122] has joined #openttd 16:49:43 <GoneWacko> The last time I coded for OpenTTD I made TicTacToe in the main menu, and a few patches which Darkvater ended up rewriting entirely in 3 minutes time (but he gave me credit anyway, woo yay) 16:49:52 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 16:50:16 <GoneWacko> I've got my own TTD-ish project lined up anyway (not a TTD clone as such, because that would be silly) 16:50:31 <peter1138> http://repository.rigsofrods.com/uimages/qx1dz55nhyl984l0.png :o 16:50:49 <Gonozal_VIII> what is DC_FORCETEST and why is that missing now 16:52:03 <GoneWacko> ooh: http://junk.gonewacko.com/forestfire_2.png 16:52:07 <GoneWacko> Those were the days 16:52:14 <peter1138> heh 16:52:23 <Yorick> stop posting useless "junk" 16:52:37 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [] 16:52:52 <Yorick> hmm...nice forestfire ! 16:52:54 <peter1138> stop what? 16:53:02 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 16:53:40 <glx> Gonozal_VIII: last use removed in r12060, so we removed it in r12061 16:53:53 <Gonozal_VIII> oh... 16:54:16 <Gonozal_VIII> copy & paste patch uses that 16:54:21 *** lud [~lud@141.123-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #openttd 16:54:25 <lud> hi there 16:54:28 <Gonozal_VIII> hi 16:54:34 <dih> hey 16:54:39 <lud> i'm using openttd on debian linux 16:54:45 <lud> and i go have a problem 16:54:49 <lud> the town name 16:54:54 <lud> supposed to be in white 16:54:55 <Gonozal_VIII> i guess i'll just copy the function to where the function is called then.. 16:55:03 <lud> are not there :/ 16:55:17 <Gonozal_VIII> var.. whatever 16:55:22 <glx> check "transparency" options 16:55:36 <Gonozal_VIII> transparency for signs 16:55:46 * peter1138 watches the ror videos 16:55:57 * glx too 16:55:58 <hylje> ror as in ruby on rails? 16:56:00 <peter1138> reminds me a bit of "1nsane" 16:56:05 <peter1138> no, rigs of rods 16:56:08 <hylje> yay 16:56:43 <peter1138> downloading atm, but it's big :/ 16:57:23 <lud> i see the opiton disply the population and the city name 16:57:26 <lud> it's activated 16:57:35 <lud> but i still can't see the name :' 16:57:38 *** DJon [~test@modemcable108.213-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 16:58:17 <DJon> Hi guys.. Where can I pause the game if less then 2 players are in the game? 16:58:26 <glx> it's not in patches settings lud 16:58:27 <peter1138> min_players at the server console 16:58:43 <lud> glx > i'm in advanced setting 16:58:51 <peter1138> it's not there either 16:58:52 <glx> it's not there :) 16:58:56 <lud> O_o 16:59:00 <lud> where is it then ? 16:59:01 <DJon> no, it's not 16:59:11 <peter1138> on the spanner menu 16:59:11 <peter1138> "town names displayed" 16:59:11 <lud> hannnn 16:59:12 <lud> got it 16:59:13 * Belugas is sea sick watching that RoR boat floating up and down, up and down and .... 16:59:14 <lud> i'm dumb 16:59:21 <lud> thks fellas 17:00:04 <DJon> how does min_players work ? 17:00:21 <Yorick> set it to 1 17:00:28 <glx> it pauses the game if less than min_players are connected 17:00:34 <Yorick> and the server will unpause if there is 1 client connected! 17:01:03 <DJon> but i just changed it for 2, and the game hasnt paused itself 17:01:29 <RoRTom> ror = rigs of rods :) 17:01:38 <DJon> (2 because my server run as a client) 17:01:43 <RoRTom> free truck/plane/boat simulator ;) 17:01:43 <peter1138> 60% downloaded :o 17:01:47 <RoRTom> :) 17:01:49 <glx> 65% 17:01:52 <RoRTom> :P 17:01:55 <RoRTom> windows? 17:02:01 <glx> for me yes 17:02:02 <peter1138> linux 17:02:03 <peter1138> fo rm 17:02:04 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: The ending changes tone & is actually quite sad - but it involves a scene of necrophilia, so that's just another plus in my book.....] 17:02:05 <peter1138> for me 17:02:10 <RoRTom> which linux? 17:02:15 <peter1138> i'm using ubuntu 17:02:18 <RoRTom> oh 17:02:28 <RoRTom> you should rather use the .deb :| 17:02:33 <peter1138> meh 17:02:38 <RoRTom> sorry ;) 17:02:40 <RoRTom> its beta ;) 17:02:57 <glx> openttd is beta too ;) 17:02:57 <RoRTom> IA32? 17:03:01 <peter1138> didn't see one on there 17:03:06 <RoRTom> http://wiki.rigsofrods.com/index.php?title=Installation_Guide#Ubuntu.2FDebian 17:03:08 <RoRTom> there ^^^^ 17:03:20 <RoRTom> its 32 bit only :| 17:03:42 <RoRTom> i really need to get crosscompilation to work :-\ 17:03:42 *** Amis [~amis.weas@dsl5400EA80.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 17:03:49 <Amis> hi all 17:03:56 <RoRTom> hi 17:04:09 <Belugas> that project is truely amasing, RoRTom 17:04:20 <RoRTom> thanks ;) 17:04:36 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 17:04:56 <Belugas> i just imagine all the calculations behing each of the videos and my mind is doing overload... 17:04:58 <RoRTom> if you need help, you can ask me ;) 17:05:07 <RoRTom> :P 17:05:21 <RoRTom> thats the reqason for the high cpu requirements... 17:05:23 <Amis> MiHaMiX = MiHaMek right? 17:05:25 <RoRTom> *reason 17:05:56 <RoRTom> the 0.34 version is crashing for some ppl on windows 17:06:05 *** dih [~nathanael@212.126.210.122] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:06:06 <RoRTom> so i wanne get the minidump to work :-\ 17:06:07 <glx> hmm why does it want to install directx? 17:06:16 *** DJ-Nekkid [~DJNekkid@static128-249.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 17:06:18 <RoRTom> cause it needs it ;) 17:06:24 <glx> I have it 17:06:29 <RoRTom> just continue, if its installed its ignored 17:06:36 <glx> minidump works only for MSVC builds 17:06:48 <RoRTom> sure, windows version is MSVC :) 17:07:34 <glx> aarrrg it updates sdk 17:07:41 <RoRTom> D: 17:08:00 <glx> bad idea, we need an older version because direct music 17:08:07 <RoRTom> oh 17:08:08 <RoRTom> mhm 17:08:11 <glx> I hope that won't break anything 17:08:17 <RoRTom> i hope also 17:08:19 <DJon> Guys.. I set min_players to 2 : First, i did not pause the game, so I did it myself.. Second, I tried to connect using my laptop, and the server did not unpaused the game 17:08:39 <glx> what version DJon? 17:08:44 <DJon> lastest 17:08:48 <DJon> 0.6 beta 3 17:08:54 <glx> should work 17:09:04 <DJon> should i restart the game on the server? 17:09:22 <glx> you set it in console? 17:09:26 <DJon> yes 17:09:41 <DJon> (just be aware the my server is acting as a client too) 17:09:41 <glx> no need to restart I think 17:09:57 <glx> works for dedicated only IIRC 17:10:25 <DJon> ah ok.. 17:10:34 <DJon> I will do so then.. thanks! 17:10:38 <DJon> have a great day 17:11:13 <DJon> and by the way.. Really great job guys ! I'd like to give my effort, but time is missing me 17:11:54 *** DJon [~test@modemcable108.213-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [] 17:14:01 <RoRTom> found a good guide, thanks for help regarding the memory dump :) 17:14:30 *** Jortuny [~octernion@r253186120.resnet.cornell.edu] has joined #openttd 17:17:35 <michi_cc> I have returned and read the backlog, so fear not :) 17:18:48 <Forked> quick! get him! (or her..) 17:19:01 <Yorick> force him to code 17:19:02 <Gonozal_VIII> her?^^ 17:19:08 <Yorick> faster, faster! 17:19:15 <Gonozal_VIII> there are no females on irc, never forget that ;-) 17:19:17 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@r6al232.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 17:19:20 <Forked> Gonozal_VIII: not paying attention to gender.. 17:19:33 <Forked> Gonozal_VIII: what?! but I met my gf (and future wife) on efnet. 17:19:52 <Gonozal_VIII> sure that she's female? 17:19:56 <Yorick> :D 17:20:04 <Forked> yes ;) 17:20:05 <Yorick> [18:19] <Gonozal_VIII> sure that she's female? 17:20:49 *** orudge` [~orudge@201.39.95.8] has quit [Quit: hey, I'm a female] 17:21:16 <Gonozal_VIII> owenia^^ 17:21:55 <peter1138> hmm 17:24:15 *** frosch123 [~mtce@pascal.math.tu-clausthal.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:26:15 *** orudge` [~orudge@201.39.95.8] has joined #openttd 17:26:16 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge`] by ChanServ 17:26:49 <Forked> ok so how many of you send orudge` the evil "asl?" now? =p 17:27:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> why, we know those ;) 17:28:07 <orudge`> Y'know, back when I used to have Melissa Joan Hart as my avatar the first time round, somebody PMed me on the forum thinking I was actually a girl 17:28:20 <orudge`> it was somewhat amusing, if a bit disturbing 17:28:31 <hylje> orudge`: asl? 17:29:44 <orudge`> 20/m/Brazil, at the moment 17:29:46 <orudge`> :P 17:33:52 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@Fcd92.f.ppp-pool.de] has joined #openttd 17:34:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> and how many asked that while you had gandalf? ;) 17:34:12 <planetmaker> hello 17:34:18 <Forked> anyway.. how about that pbs! (damn work, I haven't been able to test it yet) 17:34:26 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 17:36:09 *** safdgfg [~Gonozal_V@N802P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 17:36:09 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest513 17:36:09 *** safdgfg is now known as Gonozal_VIII 17:37:01 <Gonozal_VIII> i'm too stupid to get the copy&paste patch from 12060 to 12061 :-/ 17:38:04 <peter1138> RoRTom, the deb is missing dependencies (libzzip) 17:38:07 <planetmaker> is there somewhere a working copy of the pbs patch around? (win or mac) 17:38:27 <Jortuny> planetmaker: I have a mac ppc bundle compiled 17:38:47 <NukeBuster> Planetmaker: view http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=36107&start=60&st=0&sk=t&sd=a 17:38:58 <planetmaker> Jortuny: can you make it somewhere available? 17:39:12 <peter1138> and i'm left with a black window :( 17:39:13 * peter1138 goes 17:39:15 *** dih [~dihedral@dslb-088-064-161-175.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:39:15 *** peter1138 [~petern@petern.bnsnet.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 17:39:38 <Jortuny> planetmaker: hmm, what is a good place to send files with 17:40:18 *** redmonkey [~redmonkey@p5B206456.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:40:45 <planetmaker> hm... e-mail it to newsgroups (Àt) planetmaker.de 17:41:02 <Jortuny> ok, I'll see if that works 17:41:30 <planetmaker> (I'll have to teach myself to patch the source soon, I guess...) 17:42:07 <Jortuny> you realize this is for ppc macs only, right? :p 17:42:11 *** Guest513 [~Gonozal_V@N802P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:43:04 <planetmaker> uh... no, I didn't. Should it run on an intel, too? 17:43:10 <Jortuny> hmm, through rosetta 17:43:18 <Jortuny> but it will be slower 17:43:27 <Jortuny> and I actually have no idea, but I sent it to you anyways 17:43:41 <planetmaker> I'll see. Thanks a lot :) 17:43:51 <Jortuny> no problem 17:43:59 <planetmaker> E-mail arrived. 17:44:03 <Jortuny> I've been testing it quite a bit, and the only issue I found has already been discussed to death 17:44:15 *** sdfdsfagadf [~Gonozal_V@N847P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 17:44:15 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest514 17:44:15 <Jortuny> namely, if you do terminus stations with the two entrances (like you would with pre-signals) 17:44:15 *** sdfdsfagadf is now known as Gonozal_VIII 17:44:24 <Jortuny> and put a depot on the cross 17:44:34 <Jortuny> trains will block coming out of the depot 17:44:45 <redmonkey> hi. i've got a question: the highest production rate a coal mine for example can have is around 2000 tons. but what about farms? is a farm able to produce 2000 tons of both, grain and livestock? 17:44:49 <Jortuny> but I'm assuming thats the same issue as not reserving a block out of a depot 17:44:55 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-71-63-20-187.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:45:25 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, 2xxx of both 17:45:45 <planetmaker> Jortuny: if that's the only issue, it has come pretty far in a short bit of time. 17:45:52 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 17:45:58 <Jortuny> planetmaker: well, I'm sure there are other things, but yeah, that's the only thing I found 17:46:08 <redmonkey> ok, thanks Gonozal_VIII 17:46:30 *** wells [~lonelyp@222.93.129.159] has quit [] 17:47:04 <planetmaker> Gonozal_VIII: I saw you posting an (extended?) map array which contained all possible terrains in 7 bits. Looks pretty promising to me :) 17:47:25 <planetmaker> or at least it goes in a direction i definitely like 17:47:38 <Gonozal_VIII> http://gonozalviii.go.funpic.de/OpenTTD/terrain.png 17:47:57 <Gonozal_VIII> 4 bits for the existing terrain :-) 17:48:04 <planetmaker> ^^exactly that one :) 17:48:39 <planetmaker> but the additional information make it more interesting and versatile. I wouldn't save a single bit for just the sake of saving it... 17:48:50 *** Conny [~Conny@141.56.26.15] has joined #openttd 17:48:51 <planetmaker> even if it is a megabit all in all. 17:48:59 <Conny> Hello. How can I see in game, how many people are still in game? 17:49:16 <Gonozal_VIII> client list 17:49:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> Gonozal_VIII: your link is broken 17:49:29 <Gonozal_VIII> yes i saw that... don't know why 17:49:38 <RoRTom> peter, sorry, its beta as i said :(( 17:49:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> you introduced a "bold" character inbetween 17:49:48 <Gonozal_VIII> http://gonozalviii.go.funpic.de/OpenTTD/terrain.png 17:49:48 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm 17:49:49 <Gonozal_VIII> same.. 17:49:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> you constantly switch between bold and non-bold 17:49:55 <Yorick> you're bold 17:49:58 <RoRTom> if you want to join our irc channel, we could help you get it working 17:50:01 <Gonozal_VIII> oh^^ 17:50:02 <Yorick> crazy client 17:50:09 <Yorick> blah 17:50:16 *** Yorick is now known as Yorick|AFK 17:50:21 *** Guest514 [~Gonozal_V@N802P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:50:24 <RoRTom> @ peter : irc://blueyonder.uk.quakenet.org/RigsOfRods 17:50:30 <Conny> Gonnozal_VIII: Where to fiend the clientlist? 17:50:50 <Gonozal_VIII> hold mouse down on the guy with the black hat 17:50:59 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c2b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:51:02 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 17:51:05 <Gonozal_VIII> bjarni!!!!!! 17:51:13 <Gonozal_VIII> where have you been? 17:51:17 <Bjarni> I knew that would happen 17:51:19 <Gonozal_VIII> for years! 17:51:25 <Bjarni> well 17:51:38 <Conny> ahh, ok thx. 17:51:44 <Bjarni> I have been driving trains for the past 6 years 17:52:19 <Bjarni> actually a little bit more than that 17:52:39 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:52:47 <Bjarni> if you are asking about the weekend then I was offline 17:52:51 <Bjarni> I had stuff to do 17:53:02 <Bjarni> and when I have stuff to do I better not start IRC 17:53:10 <Gonozal_VIII> ah... 17:53:20 <Gonozal_VIII> so you didn't die or anything? 17:53:31 <Bjarni> I don't know 17:53:33 <Bjarni> let me check 17:53:41 * Prof_Frink deboldinates Gonozal_VIII 17:53:42 * Bjarni starts a self diagnosis 17:53:57 *** Conny [~Conny@141.56.26.15] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.8/2007100816]] 17:54:01 <Bjarni> I will be back in 2 days... there is a lot to check 17:56:10 <Gonozal_VIII> test 17:56:15 <Gonozal_VIII> test 17:56:20 <Gonozal_VIII> deboldified? 17:56:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> no 17:56:43 <dih> hello Bjarni 17:57:03 <Gonozal_VIII> #ifdef ENABLE_NETWORK <-- what does that do? 17:57:03 <Prof_Frink> Gonozal_VIII: lines 2 & 3 were 17:57:30 <Gonozal_VIII> yay then the deboldification worked 17:58:03 <dih> checks if ENABLE_NETWORK is defined 17:58:48 <Gonozal_VIII> ah... 17:58:49 <Gonozal_VIII> else 17:58:49 <Gonozal_VIII> #endif /* ENABLE_NETWORK */ 17:58:49 <Gonozal_VIII> DoCommandP(tile, p1, p2, callback, cmd); 17:58:51 <Gonozal_VIII> and that? 17:59:07 <Gonozal_VIII> (the endif thingy) 17:59:07 *** Mark [~Mark@53559DD1.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:59:39 <dih> stuff between ifdef and endif is only available if ENABLE_NETWORK has been defined 17:59:50 <Gonozal_VIII> :-) 18:00:30 <Gonozal_VIII> then that should be ok as it is... trying to compile 18:01:08 <Gonozal_VIII> dirty fix, removed the cost estimation 18:01:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> Gonozal_VIII: when you ./configure to not compile with network support, the code between these lines is ignored by the compiler 18:01:40 <RoRTom> hi Bjarni, and thanks for such a great game :) 18:02:01 <RoRTom> btw we released Rigs of Rods for MAC :) 18:02:01 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:02:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> Gonozal_VIII: useful, if you do not have network libraries installed, so the compiler does not try to link to them 18:02:18 <Gonozal_VIII> ok :-) 18:02:56 <Gonozal_VIII> that's why it had to be after the else... otherwise it would start with else without those lines... makes sense 18:03:09 <RoRTom> http://rigsofrods.blogspot.com/ :) 18:06:54 *** Jortuny is now known as Jortuny-away 18:07:03 <Bjarni> RoRTom: how can it be that I never heard of Rigs for Rods? 18:08:40 <hylje> not much hype-machine yet 18:09:57 <RoRTom> @ Bjarni: its an indie game, not such popular as yours ;) 18:10:00 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 18:10:02 <dih> lets see how that runs on ppc 18:10:15 <RoRTom> RoR ? 18:10:20 *** [1]Mark [~Mark@53559DD1.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 18:10:22 <dih> yep 18:10:43 <RoRTom> you should read pricorde's remarks for macos first 18:11:00 <RoRTom> http://forum.rigsofrods.com/index.php?topic=6064.0 18:11:14 <RoRTom> path for macos there: http://repository.rigsofrods.com/files/119/ 18:11:17 <RoRTom> *patch 18:11:31 <Gonozal_VIII> yay it works :D 18:12:03 <Gonozal_VIII> (copy & paste in 12066) but i had to remove the cost estimation 18:12:22 <Gonozal_VIII> and it doesn't copy oneway roads... 18:12:47 <dih> fix it 18:13:42 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:13:42 <DJ-Nekkid> is C/P in trunk ? 18:13:48 <Gonozal_VIII> cost estimation used a bla that got removed in 12061, i tried to reimplement that but failed... and i have no idea where to start for one way roads 18:13:56 <Gonozal_VIII> no, it's not in trunk 18:14:26 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 18:14:26 <dih> "RoR is compiled as Universal Binary, but it will probably NOT work on PowerPCs" <-- then why on earth make a universal bin? 18:14:32 *** Mark [~Mark@53559DD1.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:14:32 *** [1]Mark is now known as Mark 18:14:48 <RoRTom> i dont know, i wish i would have a MAC :'( 18:15:02 <dih> anyway - i only have a 64MB nvidia card so i'll forget it and cancle the download 18:15:05 <RoRTom> only pricorde has 18:15:11 <RoRTom> :-\ 18:15:27 <RoRTom> yes, it has high requirements :\ 18:16:00 <dih> xflightgear works like a charm here 18:17:05 <RoRTom> xflighgear is no real physic simulation i think? :| 18:17:14 <RoRTom> RoR has very high cpu requirements 18:17:37 <glx> it is a nice funny thing :) 18:18:08 <hylje> mmmm 18:18:18 * LordAzamath is going to write 1pg of essay, where all words start with h 18:18:24 <dih> flightgear has a real physics engine 18:18:29 <Bjarni> <RoRTom> RoR has very high cpu requirements <-- why? 18:18:37 <Bjarni> and how high is "very high"? 18:18:42 <dih> bjarni - go read :-P 18:18:47 <hylje> RoR is multiplayer?! 18:18:50 <RoRTom> yes 18:19:03 <hylje> well then 18:19:09 *** LordAzamath is now known as LA[writing] 18:19:16 <RoRTom> http://rigsofrods.com/ 18:19:25 <RoRTom> "What makes RoR different to most simulators is its unique soft-body physics: vehicles chassis and wheels are simulated in real-time as flexible objects, giving the simulation an extremely accurate behavior, while allowing the vehicles to be simply specified by their structural composition, as a network of interconnected nodes (forming the chassis and the wheels)." 18:19:28 <hylje> does networked physics involve any voodoo? 18:19:35 <dih> RoRTom: xflight is the commercial version of flightgear 18:19:37 <RoRTom> no, but high traffic :| 18:19:49 <RoRTom> oh, did not knew that 18:19:50 <dih> and in fact is said to be useful for real flight training 18:19:57 <Gonozal_VIII> daylength_treegrowth_refit_copypaste_middlestop_unmovable_yapp_r12066.patch <-- now that's a long filename^^ 18:20:04 <RoRTom> cool, i should have a look :D 18:20:19 <dih> and is also used for rc flight training 18:20:31 <RoRTom> oh, nice 18:20:37 <dih> yep 18:20:42 <RoRTom> you are able to plug in your real life controller? 18:20:57 *** Yorick|AFK is now known as Yorick 18:21:03 <dih> you get controllers for computers 18:21:42 *** peter1138 [~petern@217.151.109.242] has joined #openttd 18:21:44 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 18:22:55 * peter1138 doth returneth 18:23:05 <Gonozal_VIII> *bows* 18:23:10 <dih> RoRTom: what are the requirements for the winbin 18:26:21 <RoRTom> uhm 18:26:26 <RoRTom> let me look it up 18:26:28 <Gonozal_VIII> nogood :-/ assertion fails when i open configure patches window 18:26:36 <dih> RoRTom: fetch :-P 18:26:50 <RoRTom> 2GHz and newer gfx card i think 18:26:59 <RoRTom> works best with quadcore ;) 18:27:04 <dih> LOL 18:27:12 <peter1138> failed to have it working :( 18:27:16 <RoRTom> oh 18:27:19 <peter1138> black screen of nothing happening :( 18:27:26 <dih> if that is the case you need to do some reworking there 18:27:31 <RoRTom> whats the console message? 18:27:38 <peter1138> can't remember, i'm at home now 18:27:48 <RoRTom> @ dih: its already optimized 18:27:49 <peter1138> stupid users, not recording their error messages ;) 18:27:55 <RoRTom> :P 18:27:57 <RoRTom> lol 18:28:07 <dih> RoRTom: 'quadcore' does not sound optimized 18:28:17 <RoRTom> it is optimized ;) 18:28:21 <hylje> it just does so much! 18:28:43 <dih> correct me if i am wrong 18:28:57 <dih> hl2 has an amazing physics engine 18:29:09 <RoRTom> hehe :P 18:29:14 <dih> flightgear has an amazing physics engine 18:29:22 <RoRTom> download and try it out ;) 18:29:49 <RoRTom> also we are no 500 member dev team, jsut two ppl 18:30:01 <dih> i have an amd 2400+ with a ati 1350 256MB graphics card 18:30:02 <RoRTom> and sure it can be optimized, but IMO not much anymore 18:30:13 <RoRTom> try it out 18:30:14 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host83-194-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:30:21 <dih> i will... but not now :-P 18:30:25 <RoRTom> sure ;) 18:30:31 <RoRTom> if you have problems 18:30:36 <dih> i do 18:30:40 <dih> but not RoR related 18:30:41 <RoRTom> post in our forums or our chat 18:30:44 <RoRTom> :P 18:31:04 <dih> nah - not _that_ interested that i would sign up 18:31:10 <dih> not now at least 18:31:21 <RoRTom> sure, i can understand that :) 18:31:25 <dih> hehe 18:31:33 *** Tekky [~Tekky@p5493FE82.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 18:31:39 <dih> did you just come here to advertise your own software? 18:31:41 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@Fcd92.f.ppp-pool.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:31:44 <RoRTom> no 18:31:44 <dih> get some more hits on your webpage? 18:31:46 <dih> ^^ 18:31:48 <RoRTom> lol 18:31:50 <RoRTom> scroll up 18:31:54 <dih> no 18:31:55 <RoRTom> i asked a question 18:31:57 <RoRTom> :P 18:31:58 <dih> <-- lazy 18:32:01 <dih> nice one 18:32:12 <dih> nicely 'hidden' the facts 18:32:16 <dih> you sneaky little... 18:32:17 <dih> :-D 18:32:17 <Wolf01> hello 18:32:19 <RoRTom> hehe :P 18:32:29 <dih> hey wolf01 18:32:41 <RoRTom> just got the windows dump thingy working now :D 18:32:58 <dih> i dumped windows a long time ago :-P 18:33:18 <RoRTom> me also, but i need to maintain a windows version also :| 18:33:28 <dih> get a ppc 18:33:33 <glx> have fun with windows ;) 18:33:34 <RoRTom> no money :( 18:33:36 <dih> get that flippin thing working for a g4 18:33:58 <RoRTom> i have compiz on linux, thats enough eyecandy :P 18:34:05 <dih> g4 1.5GHz 64mb Nvidia 18:34:24 <Amis> is it possible to build another helistation into the game that is 2x4 not 4x2? 18:34:25 <Bjarni> that's way better than my G4 :s 18:34:32 <Bjarni> like twice as fast 18:34:48 <dih> i got meself a 12" power book :-) 18:34:53 <Bjarni> nice 18:34:56 <dih> oh yeah 18:35:08 <Gonozal_VIII> 12" is small 18:35:09 <Bjarni> apart from the screen size 18:35:11 <RoRTom> nice 18:35:21 <dih> 1024x768 18:35:29 <dih> so i fit the same stuff on it 18:35:35 <Gonozal_VIII> but small 18:35:37 <dih> the keyboard is the same on every power book 18:35:45 <Gonozal_VIII> but small 18:35:48 <Bjarni> I would go for a 17" monitor 18:35:52 <dih> the keyboard is not small 18:35:52 * orudge` has a 13" MacBook, he likes it 18:35:58 <Bjarni> 15,2" is also ok for a notebook 18:36:02 <Gonozal_VIII> my laptop has a seperate numpad 18:36:03 <Prof_Frink> dih: Why not spend a fucktonne more and get a macbook air? 18:36:10 <Bjarni> but it shouldn't be much smaller than that 18:36:28 <Bjarni> Prof_Frink: I wouldn't get a macbook air 18:36:28 <dih> Pof_Frink: i got this thingy like 2 years ago 18:36:29 <RoRTom> i dont think the air thing is worth it? 18:36:41 <dih> me neither 18:36:45 <Bjarni> basically I need cat5/6 ethernet 18:37:02 <Prof_Frink> RoRTom: Yeah, I'd rather have the six Eeepcs. 18:37:10 <dih> i dont want anything bigger than this 12" 18:37:19 <Gonozal_VIII> 17" ftw 18:37:28 <dih> yuck 18:37:29 <dih> too big 18:37:32 <Bjarni> <RoRTom> i dont think the air thing is worth it? <-- I think it could be if it fits your needs but it's not aimed at guys like us 18:38:07 <dih> i would not aim at anybody - it'd break when you throw it 18:38:09 <hylje> i has 15" thinkpad 18:38:15 <hylje> which is a bit too large 18:38:27 <Bjarni> dih: actually I think it's more durable than it looks 18:38:59 <dih> the old generation of power books with titanium casing were durable 18:39:20 <dih> but those were still g3 18:39:25 <LA[writing]> Gonozal_VIII: I still didn't understand what does ftw mean...Google....For The Win. Commonly used among geeks to express their enthusiasm for something, especially in IRC. :P 18:40:08 <Prof_Frink> :o wtf doesn't know what ftw means 18:41:03 <dih> who is wtf? 18:41:22 <Bjarni> --- wtf :No such nick/channel 18:41:32 <dih> i only know the w to stand for 'what' not 'who' 18:41:48 <LA[writing]> t might be for the :P 18:41:49 <Prof_Frink> wtf - translates acronyms for you 18:41:54 <Prof_Frink> (from man wtf) 18:42:06 <dih> lol 18:42:21 *** Mark [~Mark@53559DD1.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:42:29 <Prof_Frink> alan@frinkserv:~$ wtf lol 18:42:29 <Prof_Frink> LOL: laughing out loud 18:42:36 <hylje> wtf is 18:42:58 *** Osai is now known as Osai^Kendo 18:43:30 <Gonozal_VIII> yay i think i found the source of the assertion :D 18:43:59 <dih> need to run - cu later ladies 18:44:24 *** dih [~dihedral@dslb-088-064-161-175.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:47:00 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A473D5.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:47:07 *** adsfgdsg [~Gonozal_V@N847P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 18:47:07 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest517 18:47:07 *** adsfgdsg is now known as Gonozal_VIII 18:51:35 *** Guest517 [~Gonozal_V@N847P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:52:52 <Gonozal_VIII> wow i found and fixed a "bug" in a patch, i'm so good^^ 18:53:33 <Amis> bye... 18:53:41 <Gonozal_VIII> cu 18:53:41 *** Amis [~amis.weas@dsl5400EA80.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Quit: Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm] 18:54:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> i am gooder than you 18:54:18 <Gonozal_VIII> but i am the most goodest around here! 18:54:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> more gooder! ;) 18:54:37 <RoRTom> lol 18:54:39 <RoRTom> geeks :P 18:54:57 <Gonozal_VIII> daylength_treegrowth_refit_copypaste_middlestop_unmovable_yapp_r12066.patch <-- looky, your patch is inside that too 18:55:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> hey... it WAS only 5 lines ;) 18:55:47 <Gonozal_VIII> now it's a bit more lines^^ 18:56:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> i only do short patches ;) 18:56:42 <RoRTom> nice ;) 18:56:45 <Gonozal_VIII> treegrowth patch had a missing ',' in the _patches_construction array.. it was the last entry so it didn't matter but pbs comes after that, array broke and caused an assertion... 18:56:50 <RoRTom> is the daylenght patch integrated yet? 18:57:03 <Gonozal_VIII> in my version it is :-) 18:57:15 <RoRTom> hope to get it into the trunk? ;) 18:57:26 <RoRTom> *is there 18:57:43 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't think so.. they don't want it in trunk 18:58:02 <LA[writing]> any particular reason? 18:58:05 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.106.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:58:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> Celestar once said he would introduce similar functionality in the gamebalance branch 18:58:48 <Gonozal_VIII> i think it was something about changing the running costs is not what grf authors want 18:59:59 <Gonozal_VIII> looks a bit strange with max daylength, when running costs are higher than purchase costs... 19:00:05 *** Mark [~Mark@53559DD1.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 19:00:43 <RoRTom> bye 19:00:53 *** RoRTom [~thomas@p57B7E848.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 19:02:03 <Gonozal_VIII> btw am i allowed to paste that merged patch stuff/a binary made with it on the forum or would that require permission by the patch writers? 19:03:04 <fjb> OpenTTD source is GPL. So every patch is automaticaly GPL. 19:03:13 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 19:03:18 *** k3ks [~k3ks@X4c02.x.pppool.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 19:03:27 <Gonozal_VIII> ah, good 19:04:11 <fjb> Just read the licence. :-) 19:04:47 <Gonozal_VIII> didn't know that the open licence applies to patches too 19:05:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, legally, there are no implied licenses, license must be explicitely stated, but if someone insists that he did not relase it under the GPL, he may not have released it in the first place 19:06:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> so he violated the GPL in releasing the patch under non-GPL-compatible license 19:06:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> note: that only applies to direct source patches, not "3rd party programs" that are only loosely connected to the game (e.g. grf files) 19:07:28 <Gonozal_VIII> mb wrote enough about that^^ 19:08:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, the term "links to" in the GPL text is probably the most disputed 19:09:19 <fjb> Yes, but it is clear for the patches. 19:09:53 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:11:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> also note that private patches do not automatically fall under the GPL (e.g. in case they are stolen and released by someone else) 19:12:11 <Gonozal_VIII> like for example... middlestop? 19:13:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, i did make that publically accessible myself ;) 19:14:29 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 19:19:13 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:19:36 <Yorick> middlestop...what does that one do? 19:20:22 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 19:22:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> trains stop in the middle of the platform instead of the end (as long as possible) 19:23:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/middle_stop2.diff (i hope) 19:24:15 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-234-220.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:24:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> the earliest version i have is against r6982 19:24:47 <Yorick> what is it usefull for? 19:24:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> cuteness ;) 19:25:12 <Gonozal_VIII> if platforms are too long 19:25:14 * Yorick wants a screenshot 19:26:38 *** Jortuny-away [~octernion@r253186120.resnet.cornell.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:27:17 *** Jortuny [~octernion@r253186120.resnet.cornell.edu] has joined #openttd 19:27:20 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80EEF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: icebears... take care of them!] 19:27:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Ravenswald%20Transport,%2028%20Sep%201927.png <- that's the only one i could find that has a train visible... 19:28:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> there's one tile of platform in front of and behind the train left 19:31:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Johannes%20Transporte,%2014%20Aug%201923.png <- here you might also see a train waiting on the platform (2nd from the right) 19:34:07 <peter1138> Silly junctions. You should use PBS... 19:34:08 *** YOYO [~admin@ip51cc9a76.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 19:34:13 <YOYO> Hello 19:34:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> that second one does have PBS ;) 19:35:12 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-214-36.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:36:04 <LA[writing]> hmm.. I got highlighted, but nobody mentioned me... 19:36:09 <LA[writing]> :S 19:36:17 <YOYO> is it possibel to install 2 or more openTTD installation on a linux box? The wiki doenst tell me much about it 19:36:31 <Yorick> yes 19:36:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> YOYO: you can run openttd from any directory 19:37:03 <YOYO> hmmm well OpenSuse needs to compile it but it does that within its own directory 19:37:06 <YOYO> ? 19:38:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have multiple self compiled versions in my home directory 19:39:00 <YOYO> just as long as it is in a own directory ofcourse 19:41:57 <Gonozal_VIII> obviously you can't have files with the same name in the same dir 19:42:42 <LA[writing]> good night 19:42:47 <Gonozal_VIII> night 19:42:55 *** LA[writing] [~LordAzama@ip18.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.5 : http://kopete.kde.org] 19:43:06 <Gonozal_VIII> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=36127 19:43:19 <Gonozal_VIII> my patch merge thingy 19:44:46 <Gonozal_VIII> didn't test if it works with buildottd but it should... 19:44:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> Gonozal_VIIIIN ;) 19:45:15 <Gonozal_VIII> ? 19:45:25 <Gonozal_VIII> ah^^ 19:45:27 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 19:45:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, in continuation of MiniIN and ChrisIN ;) 19:46:29 <YOYO> but now it doenst start 19:46:59 <Gonozal_VIII> you need more files, not just the exe 19:47:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> you need to put the original data files in ~/.openttd/data 19:47:20 <YOYO> doooh :$ 19:47:24 <YOYO> forgot 19:47:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> or duplicate them for every copy 19:47:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> do not put openttd[dw].grf etc. in there, only trg*.grf 19:48:05 <hylje> GonozalIN 19:48:12 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, that openttd grf changes a lot 19:51:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> files in ~/.openttd/ are common for all installed versions 19:51:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> (0.6.0 and newer) 19:51:30 <YOYO> Edidi after compiling its a big mess of all files... Any idea how to solve that? 19:52:46 <Gonozal_VIII> you need the exe, chars.grf, openttdw.grf and english.lng 19:53:16 <YOYO> hmmm 19:54:03 <peter1138> Unless you're using a build that doesn't use chars.grf 19:54:13 *** redmonkey [~redmonkey@p5B206456.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: quit] 19:54:39 <YOYO> source i have is 0.5.3 19:54:45 <YOYO> outdated? 19:54:51 <Gonozal_VIII> very outdated 19:54:52 <YOYO> been a long time i looked to it 19:55:05 <YOYO> hmm its still on the download page under source 19:55:14 <YOYO> called 0.5.3 19:55:17 <peter1138> It's the latest stable. 19:55:28 <YOYO> hmmm 19:55:54 <Gonozal_VIII> imho 12066 is the latest stable... 0.5.3 is something ancient stableish^^ 19:56:09 <peter1138> It's the latest stable release. 19:57:00 <YOYO> lawl plz gents no fight about it :) 19:57:19 <YOYO> means version 0.6.0 is comming then? 19:57:47 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:57:55 <Gonozal_VIII> yes 19:58:58 <Gonozal_VIII> why does building with mingw work without any problems and buildottd fails? 20:00:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> because you use an inferior IRC client ;) 20:00:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> it is punishing you for that ;) 20:00:40 <Gonozal_VIII> :P 20:01:01 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/yapp.png < In love with YAPP... 20:01:27 <hylje> yet another pbs pathfinder 20:01:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> uarrghh... driving on left... 20:01:52 <glx> s/pathfinder/patch/ 20:02:14 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-71-63-20-187.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:02:31 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause2, it's British! 20:02:35 <peter1138> UKRS'n all 20:02:41 <hylje> how british is that! 20:02:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> i know, it scares me anyway ;) 20:03:04 <peter1138> And yes I do driving on right with DBSetXL :) 20:03:21 <Tefad> drive on right ftw. 20:03:31 <orudge`> pfft 20:03:37 <orudge`> crazy Americans 20:03:40 <orudge`> and Europeans 20:03:44 <orudge`> and whatnot 20:03:48 <Tefad> heh 20:03:51 <hylje> LR-RL ftw 20:04:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> the line Leipzig-Dresden (first long distance railway in germany) used driving on left in the beginning 20:04:09 <peter1138> left-right right-left? What is that supposed to mean? 20:04:14 <orudge`> wiggling all over the road? 20:04:35 <Tefad> driving on right, and 120 split phase home wiring, woo 20:04:49 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has joined #openttd 20:05:09 *** YOYO [~admin@ip51cc9a76.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:06:46 *** orudge` [~orudge@201.39.95.8] has quit [] 20:11:27 *** orudge` [~orudge@201.39.95.8] has joined #openttd 20:11:28 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge`] by ChanServ 20:13:44 <hylje> http://www.osnews.com/images/comics/wtfm.jpg 20:14:36 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 20:19:21 <Bjarni> lol 20:20:03 <Bjarni> actually only one wtf could be really bad too 20:20:12 <Bjarni> like "wtf... is this really code?" 20:20:25 <Bjarni> and it never leaves that state 20:20:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> it is LOLCODE ;) 20:21:51 <Gonozal_VIII> functions.h: Permission denied 20:21:52 <Gonozal_VIII> seems like compile failed because of that... 20:22:02 <Yorick> :D 20:22:03 <Bjarni> :D 20:22:09 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-161-204.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:22:15 <Yorick> the hivemind returns! 20:22:20 <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIII: sorry... you are not allowed to compile 20:22:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> request permission by filling out this form in 3 copies 20:22:48 * Maedhros is a hivemind? 20:22:58 <Yorick> no 20:23:00 <Yorick> [21:22] <Yorick> :D 20:23:00 <Yorick> [21:22] <@Bjarni> :D 20:23:05 <Bjarni> but first you need to go two weeks in jail for doing it without permission 20:23:23 <Bjarni> [21:22:02] <Yorick> :D 20:23:23 <Bjarni> [21:22:02] <Bjarni> :D 20:23:28 <Bjarni> huh 20:23:36 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:23:51 <Bjarni> why does copy paste sometimes (but not always) reverse the order of lines? 20:24:01 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 20:24:12 <Bjarni> anyway I'm op so my reply takes priority 20:24:16 <Bjarni> Yorick is a copy cat 20:24:30 <Yorick> Bjarni is a copy cat 20:24:43 <Gonozal_VIII> yorick is a bot that reads the future and copies that 20:24:45 <Bjarni> Yorick: do you dare to say that outside? 20:25:00 <Yorick> [21:24] <Gonozal_VIII> yorick is a bot that reads the future and copies that 20:25:21 <Gonozal_VIII> sometimes with lag... 20:25:26 <Bjarni> looks like the future is now 20:25:27 <Yorick> tac ypoc a si inrajB! 20:26:06 *** Yorick was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [now I send you outside to say that (and stop using your mirror when you proofread your lines)] 20:26:17 *** Yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:26:31 <Bjarni> Yorick: welcome back 20:26:37 <Bjarni> did you bring some snow for us? 20:26:51 * orudge` gives Bjarni a pineapple 20:26:52 <Yorick> no 20:27:03 *** Yorick was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [then we better redo this] 20:27:14 *** Yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:27:17 <Bjarni> Yorick: welcome back 20:27:19 <Bjarni> did you bring some snow for us? 20:27:23 <Yorick> there you go: some rainwater and darkness 20:27:34 <Bjarni> no snow? 20:27:54 <Yorick> nope 20:27:55 <Bjarni> orudge`: thanks but it's not snow 20:27:56 <Belugas> keep yar snaw! Don't want it! Got plenty enouggh!!! 20:28:14 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:28:36 <Yorick> loads of snow: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=658082#p658082 20:29:05 <Bjarni> Belugas: are you trying to be different on purpose? 20:29:13 <Yorick> me? 20:29:14 <Bjarni> snow is worth a fortune 20:29:21 <Yorick> @stats 20:29:21 <DorpsGek> Yorick: I have 5 registered users with 5 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins. 20:29:34 <Bjarni> @stats 20:29:34 <DorpsGek> Bjarni: I have 5 registered users with 5 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins. 20:29:42 * orudge` gives Bjarni lots of sand then, instead 20:29:44 <Bjarni> hmm 20:29:51 <Bjarni> what does that mean? 20:29:58 <Bjarni> oh wait 20:30:03 <orudge`> I don't think they get much snow in Brazil 20:30:05 <Bjarni> don't answer that one :P 20:30:07 <Belugas> Bjarni, naaa... just don't want mare snaw 20:30:10 <Belugas> i hate snaw 20:30:24 <Belugas> i can't even pronounce it normally... 20:30:25 <Bjarni> why? 20:30:27 <Belugas> snaw 20:30:30 <Belugas> snaw! 20:30:32 <Belugas> arrrrggghh12 20:30:35 <Belugas> too much 20:30:39 <Belugas> i hate it 20:30:39 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 20:30:53 <Belugas> tired of removing it 20:31:09 <Belugas> tired of the cold that goes with it 20:31:10 <Yorick> you want some ice? 20:31:19 <Bjarni> sounds like a guy where his wife is cooking something bad for dinner and he wonders about eating out in secret but is scared not to be hungry when he gets home 20:31:26 <Belugas> tired of climbing on it to get to the bus 20:31:53 <Bjarni> <Belugas> tired of removing it <-- think about all the money you save on the gym 20:32:39 <Yorick> I gottogo 20:32:54 *** Yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: There, some extra snow for belugas, from the fridge!] 20:34:16 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A473D5.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:35:24 *** dsgsgsdfd [~Gonozal_V@N847P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 20:35:25 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest525 20:35:25 *** dsgsgsdfd is now known as Gonozal_VIII 20:41:40 *** Guest525 [~Gonozal_V@N847P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:45:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... conflict... 20:45:30 <Wolf01> me too 20:46:16 <Gonozal_VIII> what conflict where? 20:46:34 <Wolf01> new job vs old job 20:46:40 <Wolf01> :P 20:46:52 <Gonozal_VIII> or no job :-) 20:47:05 <Belugas> "Meet the new Boss, the same as the Old Boss" 20:47:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> daylength patch vs. vehicle running costs classifying 20:47:33 <Gonozal_VIII> pff 20:47:37 <Gonozal_VIII> change v to this 20:47:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> as far as i can judge, v-> needs replacement with this-> 20:47:47 <Gonozal_VIII> even i could resolve that ;-) 20:55:27 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 21:01:55 <Gonozal_VIII> did anybody test my merge patch stuff with buildottd? 21:02:29 <Gonozal_VIII> i did and it doesn't work.. but buildottd doesn't work most of the time for me 21:02:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> you hardly find such people here 21:02:57 <Gonozal_VIII> "such people" ? 21:06:47 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.] 21:11:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, "such people" 21:20:15 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:22:19 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 21:23:57 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:34:14 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:41:53 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F55649.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:46:16 *** DirtYiCE [~dirty_ice@84.236.50.38] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:46:46 <DJ-Nekkid> i can be one of thoose 21:47:38 *** adgdsgsd [~Gonozal_V@N847P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 21:47:38 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest530 21:47:39 *** adgdsgsd is now known as Gonozal_VIII 21:50:05 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@Fce29.f.ppp-pool.de] has joined #openttd 21:50:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> how dare you 21:50:47 <DJ-Nekkid> aka windows'ed and no c++ skills... 21:51:19 <Gonozal_VIII> and does it work for you? 21:51:38 <DJ-Nekkid> sure it does... 21:51:48 <Gonozal_VIII> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=36127 21:51:52 <Gonozal_VIII> that... 21:52:00 <DJ-Nekkid> im on it already 21:52:08 <Gonozal_VIII> aaaah 21:52:10 <DJ-Nekkid> it's trying it now 21:52:52 <DJ-Nekkid> compile successfull-window just popped up 21:53:02 <Gonozal_VIII> yay 21:53:15 <Gonozal_VIII> i guess something is wrong with my buildottd install then 21:53:50 *** Guest530 [~Gonozal_V@N847P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:54:28 *** lino [~lino@p4FCE86F0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:55:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> PBS is just what this 2 track station needed! 21:56:07 <Gonozal_VIII> most stations are better with pbs 21:56:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> passthrough trains can just overtake the waiting train 21:57:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> does the signal gui have keyboard shortcuts? 21:57:39 <Gonozal_VIII> no idea 21:57:54 <Gonozal_VIII> it should keep the selection 22:00:53 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 22:01:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> i often need to switch the conversion button 22:02:17 <Gonozal_VIII> ctrl could trigger convert when the signal gui is in use 22:02:46 <Gonozal_VIII> and the signal convert needs to be draggable^^ 22:03:16 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-161-204.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:07:13 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:07:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> now i need to figure out how to properly switch lanes 22:07:54 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm route markers 22:08:19 <Gonozal_VIII> to get them to prefer less interfering routes through junctions 22:08:55 *** dih [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-223-172.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 22:13:21 <Gonozal_VIII> r8566 O_o 22:13:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> is that after c++? 22:14:03 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't know 22:14:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm, at least i did not have crashes so far... 22:14:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, just look if the file extensions are .cpp ;) 22:14:33 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 22:14:35 <Gonozal_VIII> i just did that 22:14:41 <Gonozal_VIII> and yes, has .cpp stuff 22:17:36 <Gonozal_VIII> oh, r10472 22:18:32 <Wolf01> 'night 22:18:36 <Gonozal_VIII> night 22:18:39 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host83-194-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:19:05 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 22:20:10 *** Diabolic1Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-232-188.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 22:20:29 <Gonozal_VIII> routemarker_v1.0.6_r10641.patch <-- seems to be the latest.. should be possible... 22:25:55 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-130-207.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:26:04 *** Diabolic1Angel is now known as Diabolic-Angel 22:28:18 * Belugas is going home, at last 22:28:30 <Belugas> see you 22:28:33 <Gonozal_VIII> cu 22:28:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> yay, i just witnessed my first express train overtaking a cargo train 22:28:44 <peter1138> Goodnight Belugas 22:28:47 <dih> night 22:28:49 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause2, JPG OR IT NEVER HAPPENED 22:28:49 <SmatZ> night Belugas 22:30:05 <valhallasw> Eddi|zuHause2: so? I'd like to see a cargo train overtaking an express train! 22:30:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> too easy ;) 22:31:00 <Gonozal_VIII> testcompiling routemarkers with r11000 22:32:08 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485EA66.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:34:26 <Gonozal_VIII> nope, doesn't work 22:34:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> yay, first crash ;) 22:35:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> apparently, it does not like if trains enter a PBS block through a non-PBS signal 22:35:19 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 22:39:07 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DA87.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:41:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's one of those instances where you notice that all PBS implementations need a "at least reserve the space the train is on, even if you did not pass a PBS signal" 22:42:48 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:45:02 *** Osai^Kendo is now known as Osai 22:45:18 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@Fce29.f.ppp-pool.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:46:25 <Gonozal_VIII> oh.. that the compile failed with 11k wasn't my fault... fails with 10641 too 22:46:26 <SmatZ> nn 22:46:28 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:46:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> peter1138: www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Ravenswald%20Transport,%2020.%20Nov%201973.png <- sorry, i couldn't bring it over my heart to do jpg ;) 22:47:08 <peter1138> heh 22:47:22 <michi_cc> Eddi|zuHause2: the main problem is that the concept of a pbs block doesn't really exist. the reservation is controlled by the signals, and plain old signals suddenly behaving as pbs signals are equally confusing. 22:47:24 <michi_cc> two easy rules will prevent crashes in mixed signal blocks. First, only build either pbs or old signals as entries, not both. Second, use only old or one-way pbs signals as block exits. 22:48:09 <peter1138> michi_cc, unfortunately it needs to be more robust. 22:48:16 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@Fce14.f.ppp-pool.de] has joined #openttd 22:48:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> michi_cc: yes, i know now, but you COULD reserve track through any signal, just ignore that information if it isn't PBS 22:48:41 <peter1138> One of the reasons the old system was removed was precisely that trains could crash without the user doing anything. 22:53:50 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:53:52 *** Audigex [~Audigex@89.241.163.123] has joined #openttd 22:55:29 <michi_cc> mixing signal types is something I consider as user error, anything else is a bug. always reserving paths has it's own problems as well. consider track removal, either reserved tracks can be freely removed which will very likely lead to crashes, or user will suddenly find that they can't remove some tracks for no reason anymore 22:56:50 <michi_cc> there is a reason why I named these signals 'advanced signals' in the gui 22:57:11 <Gonozal_VIII> if the user tries to remove a reserved track, check if the reservation is still valid? 22:58:19 <Gonozal_VIII> in the sense of follow it and if it doesn't end in a train, it's nonsense 22:58:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, but you can't expect the user to update all signals at once 22:58:39 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 22:58:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> or you do it automatically 22:59:24 <michi_cc> what is valid? a train moving from a to b on a path will block that path from removal then, even in non-pbs blocks. this would be a big sudden change of behavior 22:59:42 <peter1138> michi_cc, also there is a bug with removing reserved track. I can't with rail (good), but I can with elrail (bad) 23:00:01 <michi_cc> peter1138: fixed in the next version 23:00:05 <peter1138> Ok. 23:00:53 <michi_cc> Eddi|zuHause2: either follow the two simple rules for mixed blocks then or stop the trains in the area and manually start them again 23:01:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> michi_cc: yes, but there is no big fat warning label for these rules 23:02:14 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 23:03:11 <peter1138> one possibility: auto/forced update. do not allow non-advanced 'entrance' signals in a 'block' if there is at least one advanced signal 23:04:16 <michi_cc> documentation could be added, even though most user will not read it anyway. but as long as the pbs signals have to be switched on manually by the user, those not reading documentation will probably not find the pbs signals either 23:05:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, i do read docs, but nowhere, this warning appeared 23:05:29 <michi_cc> peter1138: this is a possibility, but blocks containing two-sided signals will lead to a chain reaction then 23:06:02 <peter1138> are two-sided advanced signals useful? 23:06:17 <michi_cc> Eddi|zuHause2: and this is one of the reasons why it's posted in the development forum and not elsewhere: it's not finished 23:06:42 *** Greyscale is now known as Greysc[a]le 23:06:47 *** Greysc[a]le is now known as Greyscale 23:06:52 <michi_cc> peter1138: no, they aren't. but to what schould present two-sided plain signals be converted? 23:07:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> michi_cc: yes, and this is why you should consider me a beta tester with a suggestion, not a user with a complaint ;) 23:07:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> michi_cc: in most cases, a PBS signal exiting the station 23:07:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, my most cases ;) 23:08:16 <peter1138> in most cases a one-way advanced signal towards the 'block' that is converting it 23:08:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... i suddenly have much less signals at this station ;) 23:09:11 <peter1138> hmm 23:09:12 <michi_cc> peter1138: and will break networks then that depend on the two-way functionality 23:09:18 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@r6al232.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:09:40 <peter1138> i mean one-sided advanced signals, those which can be passed both ways. 23:09:44 <Gonozal_VIII> strange, routemarkers don't compile at all 23:09:55 <peter1138> possibly a simple solution: 23:10:08 <peter1138> 1) don't allow reserving track with a vehicle on it 23:10:26 <peter1138> 2) don't allow a vehicle to travel over any reserved track except its own 23:10:52 <peter1138> probably would result in weird behaviour, but hopefully no crashes 23:11:26 <peter1138> maybe it would be stupid and defeat the point of having signals, heh 23:11:41 <michi_cc> peter1138: one-sided signals doesn't work either, because those signals don't propagate an occupied block. changing this would create almost unlimited block sizes in the signal updater 23:12:46 *** dih [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-223-172.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:16:54 *** dgdsgasgsdf [~Gonozal_V@N847P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 23:16:54 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest537 23:16:54 *** dgdsgasgsdf is now known as Gonozal_VIII 23:19:15 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@Fce14.f.ppp-pool.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:19:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> now we need presignals 3 tiles before the main signal 23:20:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> presignal distance in germany is 1000m 23:20:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> so any train not running on LZB must have breaking distance of max. 1000m 23:20:58 <DJ-Nekkid> btw, your patch seem to work nicely, exept when trains are started at the exact same tick 23:21:28 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:21:31 <DJ-Nekkid> and sometimes not :) 23:22:14 <Gonozal_VIII> openttd is not multithreaded, shouldn't be possible to start trains at the same time 23:22:21 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@Fcf01.f.ppp-pool.de] has joined #openttd 23:22:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r12067 /trunk/src/saveload.cpp: -Cleanup: Codestyle on loading object references 23:23:15 <DJ-Nekkid> guess same time is a matter of opinion... 23:23:17 *** Guest537 [~Gonozal_V@N847P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:23:24 <DJ-Nekkid> i made: 23:23:40 <DJ-Nekkid> 4 depots, and a 4 line station with some zigzag's 23:23:43 <DJ-Nekkid> inbetween 23:24:08 <DJ-Nekkid> then a station 90 degrees to the sigzag, and all of them crash into eachother 23:24:21 <DJ-Nekkid> btw, they have stationA-stationB in their list 23:25:43 <peter1138> savegame or it never happened 23:25:45 <peter1138> (errrr) 23:26:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> michi_cc: another option, in the old patch, PBS would not work unless all signals leading into the block were PBS 23:26:04 <DJ-Nekkid> it was made with the Gonozal_VIIIIN tho :) 23:26:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> so they would behave like normal signals instead 23:26:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> now what did i start there :p 23:26:46 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@Fcf01.f.ppp-pool.de] has quit [] 23:27:13 <peter1138> possible but checking for non-pbs signals all the time is... expensive. 23:27:38 *** neli [micha@h8441250184.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:27:41 <Tefad> why would you need to poll 23:28:08 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80EEF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:28:11 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 23:29:33 <DJ-Nekkid> peter1138: check pm for savegame 23:30:00 <DJ-Nekkid> open the all trains window, and press green flag 23:30:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... new engine and new livery... funny 23:30:48 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F1E77.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"] 23:31:06 <DJ-Nekkid> ..?? 23:31:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> and an engine changed livery without asking? how does that work... 23:31:57 <DJ-Nekkid> Action X :) 23:32:38 <peter1138> DJ-Nekkid, you seem to be using an outdated version; it won't load. 23:33:01 <DJ-Nekkid> oh... 23:33:06 <DJ-Nekkid> that might be it 23:33:07 <DJ-Nekkid> hmm 23:33:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> no really, my blue E 10, changed to cream/blue 23:33:33 <DJ-Nekkid> it were made with that Gonozal_VIII-integrated thingy 23:33:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> all of them... 23:33:43 <DJ-Nekkid> can send you the windows binerys if u want 23:34:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> but not the cream/red ones 23:34:13 *** Korenn [~blaat@78-27-14-50.dsl.alice.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:34:59 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause2, ottd bug? dbsetxl bug? 23:35:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> but the new BR 181 are completely blue 23:35:16 <Sacro> damn you viva pinata 23:35:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> i'm assuming DBSet bug 23:35:35 *** Madassasin [Madassasin@86.126.78.185] has joined #openttd 23:35:49 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause2: DB coloring sceme bug. 23:36:45 *** Fujitsu [~fujitsu@c211-28-49-204.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:37:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> all the livery stuff wasn't really working when i last got into this phase 23:37:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> so i'm exploring something new now... 23:37:57 *** Madassasin [Madassasin@86.126.78.185] has left #openttd [] 23:38:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> now that they are all repainted, i may as well repaint the wagons, too 23:38:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> i still have an E 16 in brown colour 23:38:47 <peter1138> hmm, well, does it do that in TTDPatch... 23:38:55 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c2b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:38:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> and one in green 23:39:55 <peter1138> hmm, sleep time 23:39:58 *** peter1138 [~petern@217.151.109.242] has quit [Quit: bwaaahahaha, te eeeh eeehee boingk!] 23:40:09 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause2: Not all locomotives got repainted. Smoe earlier or later than others and some had a totally different color sceme. But that is a bug in the original color sceme, not in the DBset. 23:41:14 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm fjb, you didn't write locomotions 23:41:17 *** Fujitsu [~fujitsu@c211-28-49-204.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:42:29 <Gonozal_VIII> you always wrote locomotions... i'm used to that... why did you change that? 23:42:34 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: Should I? 23:42:48 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-153-69-137.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:42:59 <fjb> Because I looked into the dictionary. 23:43:08 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-153-69-137.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:43:28 <Gonozal_VIII> damn you dictionary! 23:44:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> fjb: that sentence does not make sense 23:44:43 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause2: What doesn't make sense? 23:44:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> engines should never change colour outside a depot 23:44:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> anything else is a bug 23:45:02 <fjb> Oh, you didn't say outside the depot. 23:45:36 <Gonozal_VIII> if i understood the newgrf specs right, they can change when they were empty and load again 23:46:16 <DaleStan> Engines can change colour whenever the GRF author wants them to. Every game tick, even. 23:46:50 <Gonozal_VIII> oh... 23:46:51 * fjb just never saw that outside a depot. 23:47:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> DaleStan: yes, but it is a misdesign of the grf, in that case 23:47:18 <Gonozal_VIII> i wouldn't want to change them outside a depot 23:47:19 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~Flex@i577B45C8.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:49:04 <DaleStan> I didn't say it was a good idea, nor that it was useful. Just that it was possible. 23:49:14 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i577B45C8.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 23:50:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, sure it's possible, otherwise it'd not have happened 23:50:49 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> resistance.oftc.net quits: Hendikins 23:50:49 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-64-31.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 23:53:56 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:56:00 *** Netsplit over, joins: Hendikins 23:57:28 <Gonozal_VIII> i got routemarkers to compile but with a shitload of warnings 23:57:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> sooo... they just offered me the 181 with 160km/h, why would i then get a 111 with 150km/h? 23:58:03 <Gonozal_VIII> reliability 23:58:07 <Gonozal_VIII> running cost 23:58:07 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: What are you doing? Updating ChrisIN? 23:58:10 <Gonozal_VIII> something 23:58:26 <Gonozal_VIII> no i just updated and merged some patches 23:58:33 <fjb> BR 181 was never that reliable. 23:58:58 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: Why routemarkers? There are programmable way points. 23:59:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't really care about reliability 23:59:36 <Gonozal_VIII> routemarkers could be nice inside pbs junctions to let the trains take the least interfearing path 23:59:58 <Gonozal_VIII> because they fear it! 23:59:59 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^