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Log for #openttd on 3rd March 2008:
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00:00:13  <ln-> that's why i'm forced to use Adblock.
00:00:15  <SmatZ> java works even better
00:00:22  <SmatZ> if it is supported
00:01:05  <ln-> but something's also wrong either with firefox or the flash plugin.
00:01:32  <ln-> on my iBook G4, multiple flashes do not cause any significant slow-down.
00:01:39  <SmatZ> I am running 64bit firefox and 32bit flash plugin, so I expect problems...
00:01:39  <ln-> (Mac OS X, Safari)
00:01:51  <SmatZ> though I do not remember any problems with 32bit firefox
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01:59:37  <SmatZ> interesting, when I send ICMP packet with IPv6 header, I get reply in ICMPv6 format
01:59:39  <SmatZ> or so
01:59:40  <SmatZ> :)
02:00:37  <Eddi|zuHause2> it's a feature
02:00:39  <Eddi|zuHause2> or so
02:00:40  <Eddi|zuHause2> :)
02:01:12  <SmatZ> :-)
02:04:37  <SmatZ> iptraf doesn't correctly recognize ICMPv6 packets
02:05:14  <Eddi|zuHause2> i'm sure you'll find lots more of these ;)
02:05:27  <Eddi|zuHause2> you better report them ;)
02:06:03  <SmatZ> if I am doing something wrong, let me know :)
02:06:32  <Eddi|zuHause2> i have exactly zero experience with ipv6
02:07:48  <SmatZ> me too, neither I am not skilled in ipv4 :)
02:07:59  <SmatZ> so everything is new and exciting for me
02:08:30  <SmatZ> I have just done IPv4 ping and I am "upgrading" it to IPv6
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02:36:40  <SmatZ> wow! works :)
02:39:52  <Sacro> IF YOU DON'T EAT YOUR MEAT, YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY PUDDING
02:40:11  <SmatZ> is it from a movie?
02:40:24  <Tefad> HOW CAN YOU HAVE ANY PUDDING IF YOU DON'T EAT YOUR MEAT?!
02:40:34  * Sacro hands Tefad the prize
02:40:56  <Tefad> we don't neeeed no eeeeducaaaation..
02:41:55  * SmatZ should listen to Pink Floyd again
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02:48:32  <SmatZ> night
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02:50:00  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r12326 /3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel/ (sqcompiler.cpp sqfuncstate.cpp sqopcodes.h sqvm.cpp): (log message trimmed)
02:50:00  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [Squirrel] -Fix: Squirrel doesn't free local variables directly when going out of scope (not a bug, just a design-option).
02:50:00  <CIA-1> OpenTTD:  This means destructors (dtors) aren't always called, and for sure not at any logic point.
02:50:00  <CIA-1> OpenTTD:  As NoAI framework kind of assumes a certain order of ctor/dtor, this gave a lot of side-effects.
02:50:00  <CIA-1> OpenTTD:  Therefor we added _OP_SCOPE_END, which indicates the end of scope to the VM, and releases all local variables when you expect them to, calling the dtors when you expect them to.
02:50:00  <CIA-1> OpenTTD:  (a lot of tnx to glx for suggestions, ideas, fixing, his time, ...;
02:50:02  <CIA-1> OpenTTD:  tnx to Morloth in his effort to understand the problem,
02:54:39  <Sacro> Abba!
02:54:50  <Sacro> Can you hear the drums fernando?
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12:36:02  <keyweed> "fix" my irc client? wtf?
12:38:25  <keyweed> can anyone tell me what exactly is supposed to be wrong with my irc client?
12:41:15  <ln-> nothing.
12:41:42  <ln-> if you are talking about events that took place a few days ago.
12:43:01  <keyweed> yes. i was.
12:50:46  <ln-> and you were not kicked from this channel, but killed like everyone else.
12:52:17  <bumblebee> what happened a few days ago??
12:53:09  <keyweed> a mass killing, without (understandable) explanation.
12:55:40  <Ammler> DJ-Nekk|d: around?
12:56:28  <Ammler> DJ-Nekk|d: is your GRF downwards compatible, I mean you spoke about new waggons etc....
12:56:40  <Ammler> new tracks
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14:37:49  <nzvip> Does there exist a library for XML in C?
14:38:40  <peter1138> libxml?
14:38:51  <peter1138> libexpat
14:40:19  <nzvip> :o
14:40:56  <peter1138> What?
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14:58:33  <Slowpoke> if I download that openttdcoop-grf-package, may I extract it right into the data-folder with the directories or wouldn't that work?
14:59:20  <glx> just extract in data
14:59:34  <glx> nothing else needed
15:00:25  <Slowpoke> yeah I wondered about the subdirectories, but it's fine :)
15:00:26  <peter1138> With directories is fine, and is intended.
15:01:05  <glx> the grfs can even be in a .tar
15:03:33  <Ammler> Slowpoke: directories are mainly for keeping readmes/licenses etc.
15:04:03  <glx> having grfs ordered by "type" is nice too
15:04:12  <Ammler> and to have right orders, of course
15:04:32  <Ammler> :-)
15:05:01  <Ammler> well credits there goes to GRFCrawler, I took that from there
15:10:40  <peter1138> Indeed, I just unzip into directories and keep all the extra bumpf with it...
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15:45:02  <Belugas> damned... 30 minutes wasted because a datasource lost its dataset :(
15:45:45  <SpComb> Bjarni!
15:46:07  <Sacro> Bjarni!
15:46:10  <peter1138> :o
15:46:31  <glx> silly people
15:46:42  <Belugas> nuts indeed
15:46:43  <SpComb> Ammler: there was an understandable explenation, it was a(nother) bug in services
15:47:04  <SpComb> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=6559
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15:49:06  <SpComb> and http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=6558&p=140156#p140156
15:53:58  <Ammler> SpComb: did you highlight the right person?
15:54:46  <SpComb> Ammler: an off-by-one error
15:54:55  <SpComb> * keyweed
15:55:12  <keyweed> SpComb: thnx
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16:15:40  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r12327 /branches/noai/ (5 files in 2 dirs): [NoAI] -Add: GetLastMonth(Production|Transported) (Morloth)
16:15:48  <hylje> COLOR
16:16:10  <lolman> COLOUR*
16:16:30  <hylje> COULOUR
16:17:08  <Eddi|zuHause2> COULEUR
16:21:59  <Progman> FARBE
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16:22:42  <Progman> looks not so similar...
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16:35:06  <SpComb> VÄRIT
16:35:18  <Vikthor> BARVA
16:37:24  <murray> MAGMA
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17:26:42  <Forked> heya Gonozal_VIII :-)
17:26:47  <Gonozal_VIII> hi
17:27:05  <yorick> hi
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17:35:46  <Ammler> hey Gonozal_VIII, is your patchpack playable in MP mode?
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17:36:14  <peter1138> Try it?
17:36:35  <Forked> he might have missed the question..
17:36:51  <Gonozal_VIII> i didn't try but it should
17:37:10  <Gonozal_VIII> i read about some desyncs because of paxdest...
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17:38:31  <Gonozal_VIII> btw next update is either for a new yapp version or r12345
17:39:38  <peter1138> hehe
17:40:04  <yorick> hehe, I keep inviting him to #? :)
17:40:23  <Gonozal_VIII> [18:39:35] * The_Master (ttech@74.86.163.197) invites you to join #?
17:41:32  <yorick> <@The_Master> yorick: Alright sparky, everything looks good.
17:41:45  <yorick> [18:39] <@yorick> ?invite Gonozal_VIII
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17:41:45  <yorick> [18:39] <@The_Master> yorick: Alright sparky, everything looks good.
17:41:48  <yorick> , it is :)
17:41:54  <LordAzamath> Belugas, here?
17:42:51  <LordAzamath> I guess not..
17:44:40  <Gonozal_VIII> try airbus.com
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17:48:25  <Belugas> there LordAzamath
17:48:36  <LordAzamath> aeh :)
17:49:31  <LordAzamath> Girder steel bridge gets wrong sprites for pillars
17:49:57  <Belugas> they do?
17:50:01  <LordAzamath> yes
17:50:09  <LordAzamath> some kind of ground sprite
17:50:15  <LordAzamath> I'm not sure which
17:50:29  <LordAzamath> w/o any newgrfs
17:50:30  * Belugas downloads nightlies
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17:53:05  <Belugas> mmh...
17:53:13  <Belugas> only in the y
17:53:14  <Belugas> direction
17:53:19  <LordAzamath> yes
17:53:24  <LordAzamath> and only that bridge
17:53:34  <LordAzamath> I already checked that :)
17:53:38  <Gonozal_VIII> obviously belugas messed up
17:53:43  <Gonozal_VIII> :P
17:53:44  <Belugas> yup
17:54:12  * Belugas searches a uncontaminated repo
17:54:24  <LordAzamath> well then it's good that SmatZ suggested to report it to you :)
17:56:57  <SmatZ> Belugas: obviously 0x9CA != SPR_BTSGA_Y_PILLAR
17:57:01  <SmatZ> but I do not see why
17:57:14  <SmatZ> eg, when SPR_BTSGA_Y_PILLAR is replaced by 0x9CA, it works
17:57:32  <Gonozal_VIII> the name already in use?
17:58:35  <SmatZ> found it
17:59:12  <peter1138> 2606
17:59:17  <SmatZ> yeah
17:59:26  <peter1138>         SPR_TINYHQ_SOUTH            = 2606,
17:59:36  <peter1138> Just a typo
17:59:39  <SmatZ> should be 2506
17:59:40  <SmatZ> yes...
18:01:09  <Sacro> pffft
18:01:10  <Sacro> how silly
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18:01:56  <SmatZ> Sacro: you can go check whole sprites.h if you want to find "silly" bugs
18:02:28  * Belugas nods
18:02:52  <Sacro> give me commit rights and i will
18:02:53  <LordAzamath> tiny HQ south... Yes, it's that sprite :D
18:04:52  <peter1138> Sacro, you don't need commit rights to find bugs ;)
18:05:54  <Sacro> peter1138: it helps
18:06:10  <peter1138> No, actually, it doesn't.
18:06:25  <glx> it just helps to add bugs ;)
18:07:01  <Forked> undocumented features :)
18:07:30  <LordAzamath> yeah.. actually the pillars were meant to be so, weren't they, Belugas?
18:07:56  <Sacro> glx: exactly
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18:16:40  <Wolf01> hello
18:19:34  <SmatZ> hello Wolf01
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18:20:56  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r12328 /trunk/src/table/sprites.h: -Fix(r3447): Wrong Y pillar specified for girder with arch bridge. Spotted and fixed by a lot of people ;)
18:21:26  <Wolf01> ooooh colors :O
18:21:49  <Yorick> ooh colors :O
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18:22:05  <glx> @op
18:22:08  *** mode/#openttd [+o glx] by DorpsGek
18:22:15  <Yorick> how to use those?
18:22:38  <SmatZ> @op
18:22:41  <Yorick> @op
18:22:43  <SmatZ> ^^^ this way
18:22:49  <Forked> @deop
18:22:52  <Forked> .. woo!
18:22:52  <Yorick> I mean, the colors
18:22:59  <Yorick> @deop SmatZ
18:23:02  <Yorick> :o it worked
18:23:08  <SmatZ> Yorick: for many clients, Ctrl+K
18:23:12  <SmatZ> :P
18:23:16  <Forked> (in irssi it's ctrl-c)
18:23:18  <Yorick> ok
18:23:22  <Yorick> no colors ^^
18:23:27  <Yorick> hydrairc?
18:23:29  <SmatZ> or Ctrl+Q :-P
18:23:46  <Yorick> gets me a "Do you want to quit"
18:23:47  <Forked> doesn't do anything =p
18:23:50  <SmatZ> :(
18:23:56  <Yorick>
18:24:00  <Yorick> hmm
18:24:13  <Wolf01> you can use them so: colors
18:24:15  <Yorick>  ctrl-k kives me a unknown command...
18:24:19  <Yorick> that is, how?
18:24:42  <Wolf01> ctrl+k the number of the color and the text
18:25:14  <Yorick>  text
18:25:19  <Wolf01> you will see something like []3text -> green text
18:25:26  <Yorick> text
18:25:29  <Yorick> :)
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18:27:30  <Ammler> hmm, has [gameopt]->diff_custom changed?
18:27:35  <Forked>  tet
18:27:40  <Yorick> no?
18:27:40  <Forked> ..test
18:27:43  <Yorick> nooo
18:28:03  <SmatZ> nooo
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18:28:23  <Ammler> seems it has 20 values now, but needed about 18 in past
18:28:48  <Ammler> ah, your "noo" is for colors :-)
18:29:06  <glx> disabled them :)
18:29:07  <Yorick> noooo
18:29:22  <glx> @deop
18:29:24  *** mode/#openttd [-o glx] by DorpsGek
18:29:24  <Tefad> i have no colors
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18:31:15  <ln-> wtf, someone abused colors and did not get kicked?
18:31:38  <glx> nobody noticed the mode +c was removed
18:32:14  <ln-> imho it should stay removed but abusers should be kicked without warning.
18:32:17  <SmatZ> life without colors is... sad :(
18:32:27  <ln-> abuse = almost anything but CIA's messagse
18:32:36  <ln-> -se +es
18:32:52  <glx> we had +c before the latest massive ban
18:33:13  <SmatZ> mmm
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18:35:32  <glx> @op
18:35:32  *** mode/#openttd [+o glx] by DorpsGek
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18:36:39  <Yorick> abusing colors?
18:36:43  <Yorick> colors = good
18:36:50  <Yorick> colors are colorfull
18:37:29  <Tefad> i only see colors when they get abused.
18:37:40  <Tefad> also words ending in -ful only have one l
18:37:54  <SmatZ> full ?
18:38:13  <LordAzamath> colorempty
18:38:32  <glx> LordAzamath: it's colorless in this case
18:38:45  <Yorick> colors are colorful
18:38:52  <SmatZ> hmm one "l", but two "ss" ?
18:39:06  <Slowpoke> why less with two s but full with only one?
18:39:30  <Yorick> native english people are hard 2 find
18:40:05  <Slowpoke> they wouldn't come up with an answer th that anyway
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18:46:15  <Belugas> [13:07] <LordAzamath> yeah.. actually the pillars were meant to be so, weren't they, Belugas?   <--- i do not understand the underlying meaning of this
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18:54:38  <Ammler> hmm, Gonozal_VIII, does your patchpack change diff_custom?
18:55:49  <Yorick> there are some free trams in ERVTS :D
18:55:53  <LordAzamath> Belugas, that's because you are Belugas not me :P
18:57:09  <Ammler> I need SVN help, how do I revert a special commit? current revision is 70 I like to revert the commit 66
18:57:48  <glx> svn merge svn://... -c -66
18:59:48  <Ammler> but commits 67-70 where still there then?
18:59:54  <glx> yes
18:59:55  <Ammler> well, I try...
19:00:12  <Ammler> thanks anyway for that ot help :-)
19:00:58  <Ammler> hmm, I need to merge 65, I assume...
19:01:27  <glx> -c -66 will merge the opposite of 66
19:03:26  <Gonozal_VIII> yes it does ammler
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19:03:46  <Gonozal_VIII> the loans patch changes the size from 18 to 20
19:04:44  <Ammler> Gonozal_VIII: well, then its clear, thanks
19:05:53  <LordAzamath> btw Belugas, thanks for the fix :)
19:05:58  * LordAzamath is away now
19:06:30  <Belugas> it was a problem i was aware of, but i was thinking it was related only to my stuff
19:06:40  <Belugas> was not aware it was in trunk too
19:06:48  <Belugas> thanks for notifying me
19:07:32  <Ammler> glx: but it didn't download the deleted file
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19:08:00  <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd
19:08:00  <peter1138> !logs
19:08:06  <Ammler> maybe I just make svn export -r 65
19:13:04  <Yorick> hmm..there seems to be a problem with the train has negative income messages in 0.6.0-beta5
19:13:06  <Yorick> 4*
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19:15:07  <Belugas> and i do believe the nightlies have already corrected that, Yorick
19:15:19  <Yorick> not checked, so possible
19:16:06  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r12329 /trunk/src/ (lang/english.txt rail_cmd.cpp): -Fix [FS#1819]: Disallow building level crossings over one-way roads as this allowed competitors to remove the one-way state.
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19:19:35  <Ammler> peter1138: that will also allow you, to protect your road from thos silly train crasher..
19:20:28  <Yorick> someone here claimed he could buy a 2.2tHz server :D
19:22:08  <Yorick> but, it will also allow you, to protect your road from other trucks
19:24:42  <peter1138> What’s with all the spurious commas?
19:25:27  <Yorick> cp,,as?
19:25:35  <LordAzamath> bye
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19:25:39  <Yorick> bye
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19:32:00  <peter1138> Hmm, nice, Transmission supports UPnP on Linux :o
19:32:14  <peter1138> That explains why uploading is working, heh...
19:37:09  <hylje> magic
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20:10:39  <mrfrenzy> hi, I'm having desyncs with beta4, any recommendation how to find the problem?
20:10:43  *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N953P028.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
20:11:41  <Yorick> try disabling some grfs
20:11:50  <Yorick> then stopping vehicles
20:12:12  <glx> real desync?
20:12:14  <mrfrenzy> it only seems to happen when I build things, I let it run by itself for a year and nothing happened
20:12:30  <mrfrenzy> glx: dbg: [net] 'mrfrenzy' reported an error and is closing its connection (desync error)
20:12:34  <mrfrenzy> I get that like every ten minutes
20:12:46  <Yorick> building what?
20:12:53  <mrfrenzy> stations and track
20:12:58  <glx> probably a grf problem
20:12:58  <mrfrenzy> but it doesn't happen immediately
20:13:03  <mrfrenzy> at random times after doing it
20:13:28  <mrfrenzy> there were no problems prior to 1990
20:13:30  <mrfrenzy> now it's 1997
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20:14:43  <Maedhros> mrfrenzy: can you reproduce it deliberately?
20:15:16  * peter1138 fires up his beta4 build...
20:15:28  <peter1138> (GRF scanning is slow when it's not cached)
20:15:54  <peter1138> mrfrenzy, Is it a public server?
20:15:56  <mrfrenzy> Maedhros: I just have to build a few stations, then in a matter of minutes it happens
20:15:59  <mrfrenzy> http://paste.debian.net/50424
20:16:09  <mrfrenzy> server is hemma.fagrell.net
20:16:13  <mrfrenzy> password is jox
20:16:20  <mrfrenzy> you are welcome to join and try to break it
20:16:24  <Maedhros> mrfrenzy: any stations in particular?
20:16:34  <mrfrenzy> regular electric stations
20:16:35  <Maedhros> as in, from a grf, or standard stations?
20:16:39  <mrfrenzy> 4x5
20:17:00  <Yorick> as in, from a grf, or standard stations?
20:17:21  <mrfrenzy> they look like regular stations to me
20:17:54  <glx> you used the station selection dropdown/listbox?
20:17:57  * peter1138 goes grf-hunting...
20:18:04  <mrfrenzy> no
20:18:11  <mrfrenzy> just clicked on the station icon
20:18:21  <ln-> Bjarni!
20:18:25  <mrfrenzy> "Default station"
20:18:28  <peter1138> IS NOT HERE
20:18:34  <Yorick> Bjarni?
20:18:35  <ln-> ... no, he doesn't seem to hear.
20:18:53  <Yorick> did someone say "Bjarni!"?
20:19:11  <ln-> Yorick: no. check your medication.
20:19:17  <SmatZ> there is Disabled DBSet V0.82 ESC Extensions GRF
20:19:26  <Yorick> [21:18] <ln-> Bjarni!
20:19:38  <mrfrenzy> SmatZ: on my server?
20:19:43  <SmatZ> yes
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20:19:59  <SmatZ> all stations with default GRF
20:20:02  <ln-> Yorick: a wild imagination you've got.
20:20:11  <peter1138> Yeah, DBSetXL isn't loaded. Shouldn't affect anything.
20:20:29  <peter1138> Only station GRF is Modern Suburban Stations
20:20:45  <Belugas> mrfrenzy, maybe you could supply screenshots...
20:21:02  <Yorick> ln- | nl-?
20:21:19  <mrfrenzy> Belugas: the screenshot would only show "disconnected due to desync"
20:21:24  <mrfrenzy> or what do you want me to shoot?
20:21:30  <Belugas> before...
20:22:27  <mrfrenzy> is there a builtin screenshot feature?
20:22:41  <SmatZ> mrfrenzy: Ctrl+S
20:24:11  <Belugas> like all the steps you take before desynching
20:24:30  <SmatZ> mrfrenzy: do only you have the desync, or your friend does have them too?
20:25:04  <mrfrenzy> only me this far, but I'm the only one that's been playing today
20:26:11  <SmatZ> hmm
20:26:16  <Yorick> http://paste.debian.net/50424" target="_blank">http://paste.debian.net/50424 <-- PBI isn't in there? http://paste.debian.net/50424" target="_blank">http://paste.debian.net/50424
20:26:22  <Yorick> it is loaded
20:26:54  * peter1138 doesn't have that version of the total bridge renewal set...
20:27:06  <mrfrenzy> http://temp.syntaxis.se/ttddebug/station.png
20:27:27  <Yorick> try ottdcoop 7beta, peter
20:33:34  * peter1138 sometimes wonders what you can catch by having two clients...
20:34:01  <mrfrenzy> sorry the grf list was incomplete, this is the complete list: http://temp.syntaxis.se/ttddebug/grfs.PNG
20:34:21  <glx> mrfrenzy: the list is available in network window ;)
20:34:22  <peter1138> We can see that in the MP lobby ;)
20:34:58  <mrfrenzy> aah ;)
20:35:36  <mrfrenzy> Yorick: did you mention a suspect grf before I disconnected?
20:35:57  <Yorick> PBI
20:36:10  <peter1138> Bah, my laptop is on a go slow :(
20:36:29  <mrfrenzy> can I unload it without breaking the savegame?
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20:37:05  <Yorick> no
20:37:44  <mrfrenzy> well, just have to restart then :/
20:37:55  <peter1138> Why is it suspect?
20:38:34  <mrfrenzy> for some reason, with the loaded grfs, there are no train wagons for lumber and plastic, what have I missed there?
20:38:36  <Yorick> newindustries are known for their desyncs (no offence, Belugas)
20:38:45  <Yorick> you do not have a trainset loaded
20:38:59  <peter1138> Well it’s a good job all the desync bugs get reported.
20:39:43  * Belugas takes no offense. If users do not randomly remove grfs, it will not desynch, or at least not in a known way
20:39:46  <nzvip> "Shared object "libxml2.so.2" not found"  Hm!  How do I make sure that the program search the right place when I compile it?
20:40:04  <Yorick> ./configure ?
20:40:15  <nzvip> Nah, it is my own code.
20:40:30  <nzvip> So no ./configure
20:40:34  <Yorick> remove the option to randomly remove grfs then, belugas
20:40:41  <Yorick> edit makefile
20:40:49  <nzvip> No Makefile either.
20:40:50  <mrfrenzy> Belugas: I have not removed any grfs ;) do I have something terribly wrong in my grf mix?
20:41:04  <nzvip> And besides, what would I edit in the Makefile?
20:41:11  * Belugas removes temptation to say stupid things
20:41:16  <Belugas> mrfrenzy, i cannot tell
20:41:35  <peter1138> nzvip, ensure libxml is in the correct path for your system to see, or set LD_LIBRARY_PATH
20:41:46  <Gonozal_VIII> yes, you have industry grf after the vehicle grfs
20:41:51  <nzvip> Should be...
20:41:58  <Yorick> I have to go now, happy happy belugas :)
20:41:58  <nzvip> Meh, I guess I better do some symlinking.
20:42:00  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r12330 /trunk/src/newgrf_engine.cpp: -Feature: [NewGRF] vehicle variable FE bit 5 and 6
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20:42:47  <mrfrenzy> Gonozal_VIII: aha, where do I find the list of in which order to load them?
20:43:09  <Gonozal_VIII> there is no order list
20:43:34  <Gonozal_VIII> grfs that use stuff from other grfs have to come after them
20:44:03  <Gonozal_VIII> industries have new cargos, vehicles transport them therefore vehicles must come after industries
20:44:11  <Maedhros> nzvip: you could try using the -L<path> flag for gcc / ld
20:44:16  <mrfrenzy> I C
20:44:27  <mrfrenzy> so it might be fixed if I just change the orders?
20:44:57  <nzvip> I haxed it.
20:45:10  <nzvip> I did use that switch, Maedhros.
20:45:17  <Gonozal_VIII> you're missing the base dbsetxl
20:45:18  <Ammler> something like a orderlist: http://openttdcoop.org/newgrfs/trunk/ottdc_grfpack.cfg ;-)
20:45:57  <peter1138> Oh no, AsiaStars transporting freight :(
20:46:01  <Gonozal_VIII> ecs extension doesn't include any trains, it has to be loaded after the xl set
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20:46:39  <SmatZ> mrfrenzy: I would start with removing DBSet ECS Extensions
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20:46:48  <mrfrenzy> aah, the trains are in dbsetxl
20:47:07  <mrfrenzy> okay smatz
20:47:09  <Gonozal_VIII> yes, ecs extension only changes the cargos
20:47:22  <mrfrenzy> I will have to add some trains though, because now I can't transport all cargos by train
20:48:17  <Patrick`> mmm, trains
20:48:21  <SmatZ> :-)
20:48:24  <Gonozal_VIII> i think you will get some problems with long vehicles and modern tram set too
20:48:49  <Gonozal_VIII> that trams have wrong prices/running cost and replace most of the trucks
20:49:00  <mrfrenzy> creating a grf mix is not so easy as it seems ;)
20:49:10  <mrfrenzy> maybe there are some good mixes that I just could steal?
20:49:12  <SmatZ> (even if GRF is "Disabled", it can affect the game... don't ask me further :) - but in one openttdcoop game there was a Disabled GRF, and removing it caused correct sprites to be used for crossings
20:49:37  <SmatZ> with that "Disabled" GRF, it was using rail sprites for maglev crossing sprites
20:49:46  <mrfrenzy> okay
20:50:00  <mrfrenzy> maybe you could post your favourite grf settings? ;)
20:50:28  <SmatZ> I play without GRFs... but you can use openttdcoop grf settings :)
20:51:17  <mrfrenzy> good idea
20:51:21  <SmatZ> http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Public_Server_openttd.cfg if it is not outdated...
20:51:48  <Maedhros> woah, there are people who play without newgrfs?
20:51:50  <Maedhros> ;-)
20:52:22  <Gonozal_VIII> i couldn't believe it too meadhros
20:52:31  <Belugas> yup
20:52:45  <mrfrenzy> thanks to you all, I will run with that and then we'll see if there are any desyncs ;)
20:52:47  <Belugas> and there are even people who do not play!
20:52:52  <SmatZ> last time I played, it was in ~summer 2006 I think... since then, I have played only some openttdcoop games :)
20:52:57  <Gonozal_VIII> that's like the people that are still playing with 0.5.3
20:53:03  <Belugas> silly people
20:53:07  <SmatZ> :-D
20:53:16  <Ammler> was that ever reported as Bug report/fix?
20:53:18  <Ammler> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=34870&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
20:53:21  <peter1138> Bing Bang Bong
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20:53:45  <SmatZ> let's connect to 0.5.3 server and use some 0.5.3 exploit :)
20:54:02  <SmatZ> to get tons of money
20:54:16  <Ammler> SmatZ: superbus?
20:54:26  <Ammler> or are there easier things?
20:54:29  <SmatZ> Ammler: I don't know that one :)
20:55:01  <Ammler> SmatZ: http://www.openttdcoop.org/blog/2006/08/18/superbuses/
20:55:03  <SmatZ> I had in mind that "player 0 bankrupts" to get a lot of money
20:55:11  <peter1138> Ammler, it's a "design feature" of the original graphics, not a bug.
20:55:39  <Ammler> peter1138: wouldn't it make sense to include that in openttd.grf?
20:55:43  <SmatZ> I think the current revision changes the position of the station sign in all cases
20:55:53  <peter1138> No, you can just use that grf...
20:56:31  <SmatZ> there were no cargo packets in 0.5.3, you should be able to do that "cargo from ghost station - tile 0" cheat :)
20:56:40  <SmatZ> or crashing trains in opponent stations
20:56:50  <SmatZ> making crossings red forever
20:56:53  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r12331 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_engine.cpp train_cmd.cpp vehicle.cpp vehicle_base.h): -Feature: [NewGRF] vehicle variable FE bit 8
20:56:55  <SmatZ> or let a train on crossing
20:56:59  <SmatZ> without making it red
20:57:05  <SmatZ> so buses suicidally drive into it :-D
20:57:22  <Ammler> SmatZ: I guess, that "superbus" thing was on the 0.4.8er then
20:57:40  <Phantasm> Afaik in the current version the station sign does change place if the original station piece or removed?
20:58:07  <Ammler> Phantasm: we are speaking about 0.5er revisions
20:58:31  <SmatZ> "ghost trains" with flooded, "gray", wagons
20:58:36  <Phantasm> And I'm wondering about how it is in current version.
20:58:42  <SmatZ> asserts/crashes sometimes :-p
20:58:59  <Ammler> Phantasm: yeah, the signs walk with station :-)
20:59:02  <SmatZ> there are many bugs fixed since 0.5.3
20:59:55  <Phantasm> Anyway, I recall the station sign stays put unless you remove the first station piece.. More realistically it should be in middle of all the pieces.
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21:18:55  <glx> Phantasm: the station sign is in the middle of the station area
21:19:27  <Phantasm> When was that changed? At least in 0.6.0 beta 3 it wasn't.
21:20:20  <glx> it is in trunk since before beta4 IIRC
21:21:08  <glx> s/beta4/beta1
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21:21:48  <SmatZ> I don't know about that feature...
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21:22:12  <SmatZ> and it doesn't seem to bevahe that way in trunk
21:22:12  <Wolf01> is not a feature, is an exploit fix
21:22:35  <SmatZ> okok
21:22:38  <SmatZ> :)
21:22:39  <peter1138> It's not in the middle, but it does move.
21:22:53  <SmatZ> I think it has been moving... for very long time
21:22:54  <glx> or at least it should
21:23:35  <SmatZ> the only case I know about it doesn't move
21:23:41  <SmatZ> is when an airport is replaced...
21:23:48  <SmatZ> (one FS task)
21:23:54  <SmatZ> usermade patch
21:26:15  <glx> hmm right, the station sign is moved only if it is goes outside the station rect
21:26:30  <SmatZ> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1562
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21:32:50  <ln-> señores pasajeros, is there any significant, open-source train-driving simulator that compiles on e.g. Linux?
21:33:17  <Phantasm> glx: At least in beta3 the station sign isn't in the middle of the station are for sure.
21:33:37  <Phantasm> glx: So, if it has been supposed to be on since beta1 it either doesn't work or hasn't been there.
21:33:44  <mrfrenzy> hmm If I use the bomb tool on a 14x1002 area in the scenario editor the game crashes "Assertion failed"
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21:34:33  <glx> Phantasm: indeed, it is always in station rectangle (it moves if it goes outside)
21:34:40  <SmatZ> mrfrenzy: known bug, fixed already
21:35:14  <Phantasm> glx: But it should be in the middle (at the 'mass centre').
21:35:34  <glx> maybe one day :)
21:35:44  <mrfrenzy> okay smatz, so I guess I should be runing the nightly rather than the beta
21:35:59  <SmatZ> mrfrenzy: or wait for beta5...
21:36:52  <Gonozal_VIII> beta 5?
21:37:17  <Gonozal_VIII> how many more betas do you want :S
21:38:12  <Belugas> hoping sincerely beta5 will be the last one
21:38:35  <Belugas> one of the reasons there has been a reduction of commits lately...
21:39:02  <Belugas> so many stuff awaiting the release of 0.6...
21:39:07  <Belugas> BRANCHING!!!!
21:39:36  <ln-> Bjarni!!!!
21:39:37  <Gonozal_VIII> wouldn't that mean even more work?
21:39:40  <ln-> is not here
21:39:52  <SmatZ> :-D
21:40:15  <Belugas> mmh..
21:40:21  <Belugas> BSOMETHING!!!
21:40:22  <ln-> we can conclude that yelling here does not reach him when he's offline.
21:41:21  <Gonozal_VIII> you could script dorpsgek to sms him if he's highlighted here :-)
21:42:50  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r12332 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r12331): Invalidate cached data and update image after setting flag.
21:50:26  <ln-> 23:47 <@xxxx> while(!sleep){sheep++;}
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21:51:15  <Gekz> lol
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22:28:44  <peter1138> nini
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22:34:59  <Wolf01> 'night
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23:11:25  <SpComb> http://dev.myottd.net/#goto_9101_4649_1 <-- hmm... that's a long line of trains
23:12:50  <Gonozal_VIII> crappy designed network
23:14:21  <Gonozal_VIII> what is that train loading in the middle of nowhere anyways
23:15:18  <Patrick`> woooah
23:15:25  <Patrick`> trippy
23:15:57  <Patrick`> is that by any chance a live window into a hosted game? or just a way of navigating a whole-map screenshot
23:16:07  <Gonozal_VIII> live
23:17:39  <Gonozal_VIII> the zoomed out levels look strange
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23:21:23  <SpComb> Patrick`: myottd.net:7099
23:21:37  <SpComb> Gonozal_VIII: they look identical to what it looks like in-game
23:22:30  <SpComb> and I assume that there used to be an oil well there, it went away, and some other train got lost and tried to go through that station
23:22:48  <Patrick`> someone did a lot of clever hacking, or is it just ajax plugged to an x server or something
23:22:52  <Patrick`> or both!
23:23:12  <SpComb> clever hacking
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