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Too fast on the job... forgot to indent 3 lines 02:54:09 *** Louise_T [~Louise_T@87-194-146-46.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 02:54:18 <Louise_T> Hi all 02:55:30 <Louise_T> anyone here? 03:00:42 *** Louise|T [~Louise_T@87-194-146-46.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 03:00:42 *** Louise_T [~Louise_T@87-194-146-46.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:04:11 *** Louise|T [~Louise_T@87-194-146-46.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 03:18:58 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:55:04 *** Poopsmith [~Poopsmith@124-197-37-77.callplus.net.nz] has joined #openttd 04:14:14 *** mikegrb [~michael@mikegrb.netrep.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:15:47 *** mikegrb [~michael@mikegrb.netrep.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 04:35:52 *** Digitalfox_Home [~chatzilla@bl7-183-107.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:36:21 *** llugo [lugo@p4FD5D068.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:42:42 *** lugo [lugo@p4FD5FADD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:25:23 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499CB61.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:26:44 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489CD9A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:32:48 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489C1E1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:45:19 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-88-27.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 05:45:19 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1226 05:45:19 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 05:49:24 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489BC8C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:52:16 *** Guest1226 [~Dale@pool-71-98-88-27.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:53:48 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489CD9A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:56:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> ... not typically at 5AM 06:01:02 *** lugo [lugo@p4FD5DA9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:07:58 *** llugo [lugo@p4FD5D068.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:13:02 *** elmex [~elmex@e180066014.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 06:14:39 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499CB61.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 06:20:39 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.36.Static.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 06:22:51 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c122-107-243-224.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:25:38 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-57-222.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 07:00:58 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 07:34:20 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-163-210.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 07:34:22 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:34:28 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 07:36:59 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:40:25 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:40:25 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:42:53 *** Sander [~admin@host-81-190-65-226.gdynia.mm.pl] has joined #openttd 07:48:38 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-131-152.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 07:51:11 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-152-042.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 07:56:51 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-131-152.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:57:21 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 08:11:15 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-152-042.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 08:12:52 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-152-042.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 08:13:47 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 08:17:22 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 08:18:58 *** divoafx [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 08:18:58 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:29:34 * Celestar ponders 08:30:18 * Rubidium too 08:30:37 <Celestar> ESA is recruiting new astronauts. Should I apply or not? 08:30:46 <peter1138> dooo eeeet 08:30:47 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12648 /trunk/src/ (50 files in 3 dirs): 08:30:47 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Feature: allow four different non-stop types in a single game instead of two. The "TTDP compatible order" setting now only sets the default behaviour of new trains. 08:30:47 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Feature: allow three different load type in a single game instead of two. One can choose full load all and full load any instead of full load being governed by the "full load any" patch setting. 08:31:41 <ln> Celestar: sure, be the first one to run OTTD in space. 08:32:29 <Celestar> peter1138: I'm really really really thinking of doing so 08:33:03 <Rubidium> just do it 08:33:15 <Rubidium> you can always fail a test when you don't want it anymore 08:33:18 <Celestar> \o/ Rubidium that'S a feature which I have long tried to commit, but never really finished. 08:33:20 <peter1138> heh 08:33:21 <Celestar> Rubidium: true 08:33:29 <peter1138> damn it, my home adsl's gone tits up 08:33:34 <peter1138> so much for using the fast pc :( 08:35:26 <Celestar> Rubidium: I probably will apply 08:35:26 *** divoafx [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:35:35 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 08:36:14 *** Morloth [~bram.ridd@83.80.64.130] has joined #openttd 08:37:16 <Trond> nice new load type settings Rubidium! Thanks :) 08:37:49 <Trond> quick question: is there any way to decrease the savegame version in a saved game? 08:37:55 <peter1138> no 08:38:00 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-46-142.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 08:38:02 <Trond> dang 08:38:23 <Celestar> Trond: how should that work? :) 08:38:35 <Trond> I have no idea Celestar 08:38:51 <Trond> I have a savegame that due to a patch 'bug' is saveg ver. 99 :( 08:38:51 <Celestar> I have. it doesn't 08:38:57 <Celestar> patch bug? 08:39:07 <Celestar> what ver should it be? 08:39:18 <Trond> gonozal set savegame ver to 99 in one of his daylenght patches 08:39:29 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:39:31 <Celestar> Trond: well, you can TRY to manually modify the savegame. 08:39:37 <Trond> he nicreased trunk by 10 I believe 08:39:39 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 08:39:51 <Trond> well... I did search for 99 in that savegame, and got a few hits 08:39:55 <peter1138> so just play it with his patch, heh 08:39:59 <Trond> increased* 08:40:12 <Trond> its old patch, I want new features on this savegame too... 08:40:15 <Celestar> Trond: well, did you unzip it first? :) and the savegame revision must be pretty early in the savegame 08:40:39 <Trond> unzip? are savegames saved as a compressed file? 08:40:44 <Celestar> yes 08:40:46 <Celestar> normally 08:40:50 <Celestar> using zlib 08:40:56 <Ammller> is there somewhere a documentation about savegame format? 08:41:14 <peter1138> yes, src/*.cpp 08:41:19 <Celestar> Ammller: there's a bit in the source files :) 08:41:19 <Trond> okey, I will have to look into that Celestar, that could be usefull info 08:41:20 <Ammller> yeah, I feard that 08:41:28 <Celestar> Ammller: some comments and stuff 08:41:38 <peter1138> it's fairly simple 08:41:42 <Celestar> Ammller: maybe have a look at docs.openttd.org .. (when was the last time we updated that?) 08:41:57 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-57-222.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:42:01 <peter1138> yesterday 08:42:11 <Celestar> :) 08:43:13 *** shodan [user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 08:45:48 * Celestar just wondered why is irssi said "Unknown command: /loot" :P 08:46:41 <Celestar> I'm not quite sure what I even wanted to enter :P 08:50:45 <Rubidium> ESA 08:51:16 <Celestar> yeah /loot esa 08:51:38 <Celestar> You looted: 1 Ariane 5 Solid Rocket Booster ... 08:52:09 <Celestar> 1 F-1 rocket engine 08:52:27 <Celestar> mount the F-1 engine on your car :P 08:52:45 *** Roujin [~Roujin@mnch-4d04ccd0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 08:53:02 <Celestar> "No officer, I'm pretty sure this vehicle can handle 40 million HP" :P 08:53:02 <HMage> ÐŒÑÐŒÑ. вÑеЌ пÑОвеÑ. 08:53:13 <Celestar> hm .. cyrillic 08:54:05 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-232-74.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:54:39 <Celestar> he ... ESA astronauts all learn russian :> 08:54:54 <ln> Celestar: russian is not that hard. 08:55:05 <ln> easier grammar than in german... 08:55:07 <Celestar> I understand about 5% :P 08:58:05 <shodan> hah what game is that you are talking about? 08:58:21 <Celestar> I'm just being stupid. Too much wine yesterday 08:58:27 <shodan> ahh 09:03:28 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:06:24 *** Gekz [~brendan@121.218.49.21] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:08:48 <Roujin> I've had a funny idea earlier... 09:09:10 <Roujin> i thought about making a jump 'n run style ottd scenario :D 09:09:40 *** Gekz [~brendan@121.218.49.21] has joined #openttd 09:10:06 <Roujin> where you have to navigate a road vehicle through a route full of obstacles (maglev level crossing...) to its destination, only using its start/stop and turn button 09:12:23 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:13:44 *** mikl [~mikl@adsl.peytz.dk] has joined #openttd 09:17:34 <Celestar> :P 09:17:59 <peter1138> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2338/2240842709_b56376767e.jpg 09:18:05 <peter1138> ^ best ever use of an eeepc 09:20:12 <Gekz> I cant beat that 09:20:15 <Gekz> and i'm using one 09:20:15 <Gekz> lol 09:22:49 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 09:31:15 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 09:32:08 *** mikl [~mikl@adsl.peytz.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 09:37:05 *** mikl [~mikl@adsl.peytz.dk] has joined #openttd 09:46:42 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:46:43 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:52:38 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:02:17 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8121C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:02:37 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12649 /trunk/src/ (lang/english.txt order_gui.cpp): 10:02:37 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Fix: refit orders not being shown. 10:02:37 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Fix: unusable non-stop orders shown for waypoints and depots. 10:03:53 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B813EA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:03:56 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:04:59 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@194.171.202.85] has joined #openttd 10:17:12 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@194.171.202.85] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 10:18:15 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12650 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 10:18:15 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Feature: ability to force a vehicle to not load at a station. 10:18:15 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Feature: ability to force a vehicle to not unload at a station. 10:19:19 <Roujin> oh, something new 10:19:35 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@194.171.202.85] has joined #openttd 10:19:47 <Rubidium> Roujin: you've missed the best part of it already ;) 10:19:59 <Roujin> *goes read svn log 10:21:06 <Roujin> do the buttons cycle through the different options now? 10:24:10 <Roujin> I'll just go and try it out... nice work! 10:29:36 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 10:38:19 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 10:39:31 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 10:41:47 <Roujin> hmm there are some odd situations with the new options 10:41:57 <Celestar> :) 10:42:04 <Celestar> Rubidium: someone's not happy :P 10:42:28 <Roujin> I'm happy 10:42:36 <Roujin> I just want to help sorting out bugs 10:44:10 <Roujin> I even went away from my own code for that :P 10:47:06 <pm|work> hey, that are nifty features wrt to load orders :) 10:47:11 <Roujin> for example, selecting "no loading" as load option and "Unload all" as unload option, it results in "transfer and take all" 10:47:41 <Roujin> no, results in "transfer and take cargo" - sorry 10:49:19 <Roujin> also, minor graphical glitches with the dropdown boxes 10:49:57 <Roujin> x size seems a bit too low, maybe forgot about the border? that's 2-3 px or so 10:50:08 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:50:12 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:55:18 <Roujin> Rubidium: i'll just post it on bugspray, ok? 10:56:50 <Maedhros> Roujin: he's not here at the moment, but flyspray is the best choice anyway :) 11:07:21 *** [1]Roujin [~Roujin@mnch-4d04db18.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:07:36 *** jp [~Miranda@dslb-088-067-224-139.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 11:08:34 <peter1138> dw->widget[0].right = width + 1; 11:08:36 <peter1138> should be 11:08:43 <peter1138> dw->widget[0].right = width - 1; 11:11:47 *** Roujin [~Roujin@mnch-4d04ccd0.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:14:55 *** Digitalfox_Home [~chatzilla@bl8-52-141.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 11:17:07 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 11:20:21 *** Poopsmith [~Poopsmith@124-197-37-77.callplus.net.nz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:23:43 *** King-J [~kj@host81-149-184-29.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #openttd 11:29:22 <King-J> Is it usual for trams to get stuck? I've got one which is stuck on a bit of track constantly doing a 'turn left' animation 11:29:34 *** King-J is now known as KingJ 11:30:34 <[1]Roujin> does the tram track end there? 11:30:52 <[1]Roujin> then it can't go on nor turn 11:31:07 <KingJ> No, it's connected to where it wants to turn 11:31:12 <KingJ> but not where it's coming from 11:31:26 <KingJ> And can't send to depot, turn around etc 11:31:53 <elmex> i'm gone for some months and this is what happens: someone implements PBS ;-/ 11:33:02 *** sunkan [Tarquin@sunkan.bsnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:34:00 <[1]Roujin> did you change any newGRFs during game? 11:34:11 *** divoafx [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 11:34:18 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:34:56 <[1]Roujin> because this can lead to all kinds of strange behavior 11:35:06 <KingJ> Nope 11:35:11 <KingJ> No reset option is there? 11:37:14 <Celestar> your best bet is the console :P 11:38:22 <[1]Roujin> well, if you can reproduce it, file a bug report on flyspray. preferably with a savegame shortly before it happens attached.. 11:39:25 <KingJ> This is the first time i've seen it happen, but if it occours again, I will 11:39:33 <KingJ> Celestar, which console command in particular? 11:39:34 <Celestar> don't you have autosaves? 11:39:40 <Celestar> KingJ: I'm just looking 11:39:49 <Celestar> didn'T find anything useful at the moment 11:40:15 *** sunkan [Tarquin@sunkan.bsnet.se] has joined #openttd 11:44:11 <Celestar> sorry KingJ no usable option found :( 11:45:25 <KingJ> Damn. Thanks anyway 11:48:00 <Trond> KingJ: did you try to remove the track it is supposed to enter, and then adding it again? sometimes it can help I think 11:48:49 <KingJ> Oh, one question. What do you think the ideal train length is for building a huge network? I currently use 10 with signals every 6, but corners are a nightmare. 11:49:01 <KingJ> Trond: Just tried that. Didn't fix it 11:50:17 <[1]Roujin> KingJ: what do you mean with corners are a nightmare? 11:50:33 <Trond> I have a weakness for small things, so I use trainlenght 10 as you do... works fine for me... (10 as in 5 tiles) 11:50:40 <Maedhros> KingJ: have you tried manually reversing the tram? 11:51:37 <KingJ> Maedhros: Clicking the reverse arrow on the veichle info/viewport window? Yes, dosen't change it 11:53:50 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:53:50 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:54:18 <[1]Roujin> something else about the new orders... 11:54:29 <Celestar> @openttd bugs 11:54:30 <DorpsGek> Celestar: Open Bugs: 33; Not assigned: 26; Closed this week: 7; Opened this week: 10 11:54:32 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 11:54:47 <[1]Roujin> shouldn't "go via ..." type orders have loading/unloading options disabled? 11:54:48 *** divoafx [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:55:21 <[1]Roujin> i mean, when going via a station (that means don't stop there), it's pretty useless to set any loading/unloading options 11:56:34 <Trond> OMG I managed to fix the diff for distant joint stations myself *shock* 11:56:46 <Celestar> OvO 11:57:20 <Trond> it even compiles AND work after starting the game :D 11:57:41 * Celestar puts his fingers in his ears *boom* 11:58:00 <[1]Roujin> congratulations, you're a hacker now. 11:58:04 <[1]Roujin> oO 11:58:06 <Trond> lol 11:58:15 <Celestar> http://www.qdb.us/136814 <= this is a true hacker :P 11:58:26 <Trond> thats what maxxis said a few years back when I was hooked on sims ;) 11:58:49 <Trond> lol Celestar 11:59:02 <Forked> meep 11:59:44 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r12651 /trunk/src/widgets/dropdown.cpp: -Fix (r12644) [FS#1915]: Dropdown widget width should be one pixel less than window width, not one more. 11:59:55 <[1]Roujin> next thing, transfer should be in unload options... 12:00:23 <[1]Roujin> peter: you're committing this without being able to test it yourself? wow, that's trusting :P 12:01:03 <[1]Roujin> you never know, I might have included a viscious virus in that diff? 12:01:13 <[1]Roujin> ^^ 12:01:34 <peter1138> you might've done, but i didn't need a diff to see the change i'd already proposed... 12:03:06 <[1]Roujin> but maybe this little change will... erm... turn computers all over the world that are running openTTD into evil monsters, destroying cities and eating humans and stuff... 12:05:58 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B778BE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:05:58 *** Priski [priski@xob.kapsi.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:05:58 <[1]Roujin> you never know before testing... 12:05:58 <[1]Roujin> trust me, I've seen that already. It happens. Regulary. 12:05:58 <peter1138> :D 12:05:58 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B778BE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:05:58 *** Priski- [priski@xob.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 12:05:58 *** Priski- is now known as Priski 12:06:13 *** jp [~Miranda@dslb-088-067-224-139.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: jp] 12:06:31 <[1]Roujin> now, more seriously, do you agree with me that transfer should be grouped into the unloading orders? does anyone actually care? 12:06:45 *** jp [~Miranda@dslb-088-067-224-139.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:07:11 <[1]Roujin> I mean, there's no unload type that can actually be combined with transfer 12:07:48 <[1]Roujin> the old "transfer + unload = transfer and leave empty" can now be (more logically) archieved with "transfer + no loading" 12:10:51 <SmatZ> I think I agree 12:12:11 <SmatZ> one remaining thing 12:12:17 <SmatZ> it would be nice for transfers 12:12:27 <SmatZ> if vehicle wouldn't load cargo it unloaded 12:12:53 <SmatZ> so a cargopacket would remember the last vehicle transfererd that packet 12:12:59 *** UserErr0r [~User@c-98-202-77-105.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:13:00 <SmatZ> if it doesn't work this way already 12:13:16 <[1]Roujin> i don't think so... 12:13:42 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:13:42 <[1]Roujin> but in most cases you can use the transfer and leave empty combination... no? 12:14:24 <SmatZ> no for pax networks 12:14:38 <pm|work> Roujin: so far. But SmatZ says it :) terminals for pax... 12:14:46 *** UserError [~User@c-98-202-77-105.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 12:15:06 <[1]Roujin> mmh you have a point there.. 12:15:36 *** Slowpoke [~Lobster@dslb-088-073-226-240.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:16:04 <pm|work> is there an option to only load and keep the current cargo (w/o unloading first)? 12:16:10 <[1]Roujin> now yes. 12:16:23 <pm|work> nice. Good for Bus circular routes... 12:16:24 <[1]Roujin> you can choose "no unload" now 12:16:40 <Ammller> wow :-) 12:17:02 <Ammller> maybe also a skip stop at 100% ? 12:17:02 <[1]Roujin> in combination with any of "normal load", "full load" and "full load any cargo" 12:17:56 <SmatZ> Ammller: conditions are not possible (yet) 12:18:03 <[1]Roujin> haven't tested that, but I doubt that it would skip the stop automatically... 12:19:03 <Ammller> hmm, do you talk about trunk? 12:19:18 <[1]Roujin> yes, today's commits 12:20:28 <[1]Roujin> so you'll need to check out svn for that, or wait till tonight's nightly ;) 12:24:41 <pm|work> Ammller: along with autoupdate and this quick pace of dev it might even be an idea to daily update the ps server :) 12:24:56 <Ammller> :-) 12:25:59 <pm|work> at 4am CET or so... 12:27:52 <Ammller> update is a thing of 5 mins, so it could also be done right after nightlies are created 12:28:24 <Ammller> if we would take the nightly build for server itself, it would be done in 30 secs 12:28:25 <pm|work> yes. But that's the time many people are connected. In the eye of "continuous service" 4am is better. 12:28:58 <Ammller> and if the "autopudate" breaks? 12:29:08 <Ammller> we ring you out? 12:29:10 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:29:31 <pm|work> :O we have it fall back to the previous version 12:29:57 <pm|work> but certainly that's a point... 12:30:37 <Ammller> currently, there is no admin outside europe timezone 12:30:49 <Celestar> hm ... 12:31:17 <pm|work> hm, yeah. 12:32:26 <SmatZ> hm 12:33:02 <pm|work> hm... currently I don't plan to re-locate to a place outside Europe... 12:33:22 <SmatZ> :) 12:34:03 <peter1138> argh 12:34:19 <pm|work> I buy a "b" for peter. 12:35:43 * hylje steals the bee 12:36:02 * pm|work sends an angry bee towards hylje 12:36:24 * Celestar ponders whether he should restart his cbh efforts 12:36:26 * hylje cyber-squats it 12:36:40 <hylje> Celestar: no we will never need such buggery! 12:36:46 <Celestar> :P 12:36:55 * Celestar pokes hylje 12:36:58 * pm|work wonders what "cbh" might stand for... 12:37:04 <Celestar> custombridgeheads 12:37:50 * pm|work hands Celestar a cup of coffee and strings a carrot to a string... 12:38:08 *** svip [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:38:15 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:38:18 * hylje ponders whether a cup of coffee on a stick would be more effective 12:38:27 *** svip [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:38:27 * pm|work thinks that smiling at Celestar might require him to change sex to work... 12:38:40 <pm|work> lol 12:41:11 * Celestar wonders what you're all doing 12:41:18 * pm|work abandons the idea with the stick and just keeps the carrot. 12:41:24 * pm|work tracks particles 12:41:39 <Celestar> pm|work: explain ... 12:41:56 <pm|work> carrot or particle? 12:42:00 <Celestar> particle 12:42:41 <pm|work> oh, take a few hundred images with white dots (imaged particles). Try to obtain their trajectories while there are hundrets of particles on each image... 12:42:48 <Celestar> PIV ... 12:42:55 <pm|work> sort-of. 12:43:09 <Celestar> sort-of PIV? 12:43:11 <pm|work> but I'm interested in the particles themselves. 12:43:14 <Celestar> I see 12:43:16 <Celestar> what do you do? 12:43:37 <pm|work> astrophysics is the short answer. 12:43:42 <Celestar> cool 12:43:49 * Celestar wants to do that as well ;) 12:43:54 <Celestar> where are you at? 12:44:01 <pm|work> Braunschweig, DE 12:44:05 <Celestar> ah 12:44:15 <Celestar> Garching, DE here ;) 12:44:31 <pm|work> we're doing research on the first stages of planet formation --> small particles clustering :) 12:44:38 <Celestar> yeah 12:44:40 <pm|work> ah... what do you do there? 12:44:45 <Celestar> try to do a PhD 12:44:52 <pm|work> well... me, too :) 12:45:33 <Celestar> Soyuz TMA-12 has only 300m to go to docking \o/ 12:46:02 <pm|work> Garching has also many astrophysics institutes... 12:46:18 <Celestar> yeah. I'm considering applying for a job there. 12:46:26 <Celestar> but I didn't study physics 12:46:58 <Celestar> :o ... 10 more planets found since I last checked 12:47:05 <pm|work> well... they can make good use of engineers as well :) 12:47:10 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F1FB8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:47:26 <Celestar> pm|work: as long as I don't have to touch Fortran 12:47:35 <pm|work> Celestar: I'd expect the number to rise even more steeply once the space borne missions churn out data... 12:47:40 <Celestar> WTF? Is the JPL doing an April's fools? 12:47:47 <pm|work> urgs. I don't at least. 12:47:52 <Celestar> pm|work: Kepler at least .... 12:48:01 <Celestar> http://planetquest.jpl.nasa.gov/atlas/atlas_search.cfm?&Sort=DiscDate&SortDir=DESC <= check this, pm|work 12:48:32 <pm|work> Yeah. My usual reference is exoplanet.eu 12:48:51 <Celestar> yeah but it's less pretty :P 12:49:07 <Celestar> Soyuz is go for docking 12:49:30 <Celestar> oh ... discovered by transit... nice. 12:50:46 <pm|work> :) Yeah. That's what the Corot mission is going to do: transits. Lots of transits... 12:51:05 <Celestar> pm|work: please tell me. From a stability point of view, are Hot Jupiters a likely thing to form? 12:51:05 <pm|work> They're just holding back their data... kind of embargo :S 12:51:18 <pm|work> obviously :) 12:51:26 <Celestar> well, they're easy to detect ... 12:51:36 <pm|work> until they were discovered no-one would have predicted them. 12:51:48 <Celestar> that's what I have read from the literature as well 12:52:09 <Celestar> your models need adjusting :P 12:52:31 <pm|work> The crucial point not yet decided how it works is: how are they stopped from falling into their star. They cannot be formed that far inward. 12:52:45 <Celestar> yeah 12:52:50 <Celestar> 40m to go 12:52:56 <pm|work> ? 12:53:01 <Celestar> for the Soyuz till docking. 12:53:05 <Celestar> new ISS crew arriving today 12:53:26 <pm|work> aye :) You got to do anything with it? 12:53:35 <Celestar> I really hope the Darwin or TPF missions get their go-ahead soon 12:53:48 <Celestar> not directly. except that NASA TV is the TV channel I watch most 12:53:53 <Celestar> because I'm a space-nut 12:53:57 <Celestar> and an airplane-nut 12:54:00 <pm|work> :D 12:54:06 <Celestar> I don't feel like staying on the ground :P 12:54:26 <pm|work> The funny thing: military has the most advanced tracking algorithms. But you don't get hold of them :S 12:54:36 <Celestar> yeah 12:54:47 <Celestar> the OWL would have been of some help too 12:54:50 <pm|work> --> military air space control and automatic air craft recoginition 12:54:52 <Celestar> but it got cancelled :S 12:55:05 <pm|work> It got re-named. ELT 12:55:11 <Celestar> and smaller 12:55:15 <pm|work> yeah. 12:55:27 <Celestar> are 40m enough for direct planet imaging? 12:55:57 <pm|work> Depends upon distance to star and distance star-planet and absolute magnitude of star and size of planet 12:56:01 <Celestar> we need a proper telescope on the moon. 12:56:25 <Celestar> I'm still amazed how the Soyuz docking system works. 12:56:34 <Celestar> totally autonomous if need be. 12:56:43 <pm|work> yeah... quite a nice tech 12:56:55 <Celestar> the ATV is basically the only other vehicle who can do it... and that's a week old :P 12:56:56 <pm|work> Russians build robust 12:57:05 <Celestar> Soyuz is OLD 12:57:10 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@194.171.202.85] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 12:57:27 *** bowman [johanf@81-226-229-179-no59.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [] 12:57:32 <pm|work> yes... and proven space-worthy :) 12:57:39 <Celestar> 5m 12:57:47 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c122-107-243-224.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 12:57:48 <Celestar> contact 12:57:52 <Celestar> capture 12:57:54 <Celestar> \o/ 12:57:59 <pm|work> proven concept is so important for space tech... it's really difficult to get things qualified... 12:58:28 <Celestar> "There are two problems in spaceflight: Gravitation and paperwork. We can lick gravity, but the paperwork is overwhelming" 12:58:47 <Celestar> Wernher von Braun 12:58:54 <pm|work> Don't remind me :S 12:59:11 <pm|work> Got a report to write... - and it's only planning phase. 13:00:08 <Celestar> I've a draft paper to finish till Tuesday 13:00:17 <Celestar> and currently, I have zip 13:00:29 <Celestar> zero, nada, nothing, niente 13:00:35 <Celestar> I have results tho :P 13:00:39 <pm|work> :D 13:00:54 <Celestar> I just need to write about 8 pages of text :P 13:00:57 <pm|work> Then the rest is just low-brain work :D 13:01:13 <Celestar> the usual yada-yada and brown-nosing people who are important in the business (references) 13:01:31 * Celestar hates this 13:01:34 <pm|work> laber-rhabarber :). 13:01:38 * pm|work hates that, too 13:01:47 *** pm|work is now known as planetmaker 13:01:54 <Celestar> no one reads that anyway :) 13:02:15 <planetmaker> Important are two things: abstract and summary. 13:02:30 <Celestar> 1) read abstract, 2) look at figures, 3) add to references 13:02:36 <planetmaker> lol 13:03:17 <Celestar> I have my headings already however :P 13:04:22 <Celestar> there is quite some traffic going on at the ISS recently. 13:05:07 <Celestar> Atlantis, Progress 18, ATV, Endeavour, TMA-12, Discovery coming soon... it really begins to become a lively place 13:05:10 * Celestar likes that 13:05:31 * Celestar finds a doctor for his Medical Class 2 13:05:33 * planetmaker likes that too. Space: the final frontier. 13:05:51 <planetmaker> Medical Class 2? 13:05:53 * Celestar knows about 90% of all Star Trek Eps except ST:Enterprise 13:06:02 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@194.171.202.85] has joined #openttd 13:06:07 <Celestar> yeah, cuz I'm considering applying to ESA for the astronaut training 13:06:17 * planetmaker knows basically all TNG episodes... 13:06:28 <Celestar> the next screening takes place in May and will be the last one till at LEAST 2017/2018 13:06:32 <planetmaker> Celestar: do so :). Training centre is in cologne 13:06:38 <Celestar> yeah. 13:06:45 <Celestar> there's some stuff in Oberpfaffenhofen as well 13:06:50 <Celestar> plus the Col-CC :) 13:07:12 <planetmaker> Yeah, but Oberpfaffenhofen is IIRC mostly ground control 13:07:18 <Celestar> correct 13:08:07 <Celestar> the dilemma is, being a space nut, you basically have to pray for McCain to win the elections :S 13:08:20 <planetmaker> Though Oberpfaffenhofen is DLR while ESA's control is near Darmstatt, I think 13:08:30 <planetmaker> uh, you think so? 13:08:37 <Celestar> yeah 13:09:04 <Celestar> because both Obama and Clinton have basically said to axe NASA's budget considerably 13:09:23 <planetmaker> hm... :( 13:09:32 <planetmaker> good for earth, but bad for space? 13:09:40 <Celestar> bad for space is bad for earth 13:09:55 <planetmaker> oh, well. I guess there can be some kind of trade-off. 13:10:33 * planetmaker thinks that mankind is made to extend it's reach. And as earth is now completely occupied... 13:10:53 <Celestar> well, leaving the western world without a means of brining a single person to space is NOT an acceptable trade-off imho. 13:11:04 <Celestar> and the shuttles will go offline in less than 36 months. 13:11:27 <Celestar> We in Europe have everything we need for manned spaceflight. We just don't do it :S 13:11:39 <planetmaker> ah, I think 48. Nevertheless. Small 13:12:09 <planetmaker> ESA's budget is small compared to NASA 13:12:38 <Celestar> planetmaker: currently the last shuttle mission is planned for March 18, 2010. That's less than 24 months away. There's an optional one in April 2010. 13:12:42 <Celestar> and that'S it 13:13:00 <planetmaker> And especially hampering is the equi-partition principle: whichever country pais x% has to get x% of the money spent. Really usefull... 13:13:47 <planetmaker> Hm, I heard somewhere an extension to 2012 for the shuttle. But alas, no source at my hands right now 13:13:52 <Celestar> ESA has the Ariane 5, which is man-ratable with very little effort and the ATV which is man-rated. What we need is a Launch Escape System which is old technology and a return capsule which is as old technology 13:14:14 <Celestar> The extension has been cancelled to get Orion up no later than 2014, 2013 if possible. 13:14:40 <Celestar> planetmaker: do you know the book "Entering Space" by Bob Zubrin. 13:14:42 <Celestar> ? 13:14:55 <planetmaker> sorry, don't know it. 13:15:09 <Celestar> do yourself a favor and order it. It's great reading 13:15:33 <planetmaker> :) I add it to my "to buy books"-list. 13:15:35 <Celestar> http://www.amazon.de/Entering-Space-Space-Faring-Civilization-Space-faring/dp/0874779758/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books-intl-de&qid=1207833318&sr=8-4 13:16:12 <Celestar> I'Ve read it about 3 times in the path 3 months :P 13:16:32 <Celestar> so the ESA could have a manned space program for less than 2 billion. 13:16:44 *** Mirrakor [~linuser@p57B2C512.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:16:49 <planetmaker> I doubt 2 billion would do it. 13:16:49 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:17:05 <Celestar> planetmaker: most of the work is done. it's called ATV 13:17:18 <planetmaker> Even though the concept is clear, it would need to be planned, built, tested and qualified before. 13:17:29 <Celestar> it is qualified :) 13:17:37 <Celestar> that's the nice thing 13:17:40 <planetmaker> I know the ATV. Last time it was still at estec ... 13:18:05 <planetmaker> And they were... having troubles with their cables... :S 13:18:16 <Celestar> yeah .. they've learnt for Airbus apparently :P 13:18:17 <planetmaker> But it's 6 month ago. 13:18:31 <Celestar> no matter ... we spend 10 billion a year for windmills in Germany alone 13:19:42 <planetmaker> I don't mind that. But subsidies for digging for coal or for leaving farm land unsused... 13:20:06 <Celestar> well, you can find plenty of example in Europe where money is wasted 13:20:19 <Celestar> putting this into a man-rated launch vehicle would be more benefical 13:22:07 <planetmaker> yeah. Full ACK 13:22:13 <Celestar> :) 13:25:06 * planetmaker reccomends that you apply for the medical :) 13:25:31 * planetmaker also thinks that an engineering, medical of science background with PhD will help 13:26:02 <Celestar> Aerospace Engineer 13:26:09 <Celestar> doing my PhD 13:26:13 <planetmaker> Fair enough, I say :) 13:26:50 <Celestar> yeah, only my optics is on the Borderline of the Medical Class 2 13:27:32 <planetmaker> uh... what does it say? 13:27:50 <Celestar> -8 max 13:27:57 <planetmaker> ? 13:28:07 <Celestar> diopters 13:28:34 <Celestar> I have -7.75 13:28:54 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.212.37] has joined #openttd 13:30:17 <Celestar> planetmaker: if possible, I'll apply. They only take 8 out of around 20.000 anyways 13:30:30 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:30:44 <planetmaker> uh... well. That's it. It's anyway in for some fun, if they'll have you around at least for the initial tests. 13:30:57 <Celestar> yeah 13:31:03 <Celestar> Centrifuge :P 13:31:08 *** bowman [johanf@81-226-229-179-no59.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 13:31:22 <planetmaker> Yeah. Possibly also reduced-pressure chamber. That's funny... 13:31:29 <Celestar> did you do it? 13:31:36 <planetmaker> You really start to do funny things... 13:31:42 <Celestar> ... 13:31:44 <planetmaker> Had to do it once 13:31:53 <Celestar> I do funny things without being in a reduced-pressure chamber :P 13:31:54 <planetmaker> to get permission for parabolic flights 13:32:12 <planetmaker> Celestar: but in that chamber you do it w/o realizing :) 13:32:18 <Celestar> yeah :) 13:32:28 <Celestar> a colluege of mine is just doing parabolic flights in BOD 13:32:39 <planetmaker> yeah. One of mine, too :) 13:32:44 <Celestar> he :) 13:32:56 <Celestar> I helped him code C :) 13:33:04 <planetmaker> It's great fun. 13:33:16 <planetmaker> We run labview :D 13:33:53 <Celestar> yeah he does quite a bit of Labview as well 13:34:23 <Celestar> rofl 13:34:26 <Celestar> russians ... 13:34:38 <Celestar> "We are not building the international space station for tourists" :P 13:34:46 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:34:46 <planetmaker> lol! 13:34:49 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:35:22 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~Flex@89.246.206.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:36:28 <Celestar> hmm this ATV is really big a vehicle... about as large as the Apollo CSM 13:36:35 <Celestar> not quite as heavy 13:37:08 <Celestar> (less Delta-V so less fuel) 13:37:24 *** jp [~Miranda@dslb-088-067-224-139.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: jp] 13:37:26 <planetmaker> yep. Something like 4m diameter with 6 height? 13:37:38 <Celestar> yeah. pretty much as large as columbus 13:38:05 <Celestar> no bigger. sorry 13:38:15 <Celestar> 4.5m diameter and 10m long 13:38:35 <Celestar> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Atv_comparision.jpg <= nice image 13:39:31 <Celestar> the SPS on the Apollo looks too large :P 13:39:40 <Celestar> (the nozzle that is) 13:39:49 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.39 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 13:39:50 <planetmaker> oh, right. Was just recalling from when I saw it. In a big integration hall it looks small(er) :P 13:40:02 <Celestar> well, yeah 13:40:09 <Celestar> compared to an A380 :) 13:40:24 <planetmaker> :D 13:40:36 * Celestar wants to see the Ares V fly 13:40:38 <Celestar> soon! 13:41:27 <Celestar> it's really a bigass launcher 13:42:43 <planetmaker> yeah! And I've gotta go to Speyer to see once the Buran which they recently aquired... 13:43:17 <Celestar> yeah, but it's still en-route isn't it? 13:43:42 * planetmaker is called for a cake :) So cu later, I guess :) 13:43:53 <orudge> bring some back for the rest of us 13:44:08 <planetmaker> Celestar: I think it should have arrived... 13:44:11 <Belugas> better been called for a cake than a kick 13:44:18 <planetmaker> I'll try to beam over some cake, though :) 13:44:22 <planetmaker> :P 13:44:24 * orudge calls Belugas for a kick 13:45:06 <Belugas> heheh 13:45:17 <Belugas> want a kick fight maaaaan ? 13:45:18 <Belugas> ;) 13:46:58 <orudge> well, not relaly. 13:47:00 <orudge> *really 13:50:35 *** divoafx [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 13:50:36 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:51:41 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.67.68] has joined #openttd 13:53:28 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5451D.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 13:57:46 *** Gekz [~brendan@121.218.49.21] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:02:09 *** Gekz [~brendan@CPE-58-168-83-246.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 14:03:45 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@194.171.202.85] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:04:52 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.36.Static.ssp.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:04:59 *** dragonhorseboy [~dragonhor@modemcable147.26-58-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 14:05:00 <dragonhorseboy> hey 14:07:23 *** dragonhorseboy [~dragonhor@modemcable147.26-58-74.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [] 14:07:57 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 14:21:08 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499F199.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:24:47 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-152-042.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 14:25:34 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm191.epsilon124.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 14:31:22 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 14:31:22 *** divoafx [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:40:25 <elmex> wow, leveling under things works nearly everywhere, thats reallly great, and yapp, and all, and awww... 14:40:51 <Belugas> awww? sounds like a nice feature... 14:40:57 <Belugas> what's it do? 14:41:31 <hylje> cats 14:42:30 <Belugas> Create A Town Subsidy ? 14:42:53 <hylje> all your towns are belong to us 14:44:02 <elmex> :) 14:49:30 <Belugas> no towns belong to nobody! 14:49:33 <Belugas> INSANITY 14:49:51 <Belugas> Capitalistic dreams of World Domination!! 14:49:55 <Belugas> BACK OFF!!! 14:50:34 * Belugas wonders if "capitalistic" is a real word ... 14:52:39 <orudge> sure it is 14:52:40 <orudge> I think 14:54:36 <[1]Roujin> how can i directly initialize Points? 14:55:09 <[1]Roujin> something like Point(1, 1) ? 14:55:26 <hylje> you're so spoiled by python! 14:55:28 <hylje> :-) 14:55:51 <[1]Roujin> i'm not oO 14:56:03 <[1]Roujin> i don't know python :P 14:56:22 <hylje> well you just uttered the exact way of initializing any objects in there 15:00:25 <Celestar> Point A = {1,1}; ? 15:00:34 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499F199.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:01:18 <[1]Roujin> thanks Celestar, that's what I was looking for... 15:01:36 *** Arie- [asdfsadf@villabadmuts.adsl.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 15:01:38 <[1]Roujin> used wrong braces >< 15:01:50 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499F199.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:05:40 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.212.37] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:05:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.212.37] has joined #openttd 15:08:28 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:13:38 *** Ammller is now known as Ammler 15:14:21 *** Aerandir [~magic.pow@h77n1-ud-a11.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #openttd 15:14:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> <Celestar> because both Obama and Clinton have basically said to axe NASA's budget considerably <- it's not like the president has THAT much influence on the budget anyway 15:14:58 *** Sander [~admin@host-81-190-65-226.gdynia.mm.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:16:11 *** frosch123 [~mtce@pascal.math.tu-clausthal.de] has joined #openttd 15:21:00 *** pm_away [~chatzilla@aura.geophys.nat.tu-bs.de] has joined #openttd 15:33:42 *** Arie- [asdfsadf@villabadmuts.adsl.utwente.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:34:14 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-184-037.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:40:58 *** mikl [~mikl@adsl.peytz.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 15:41:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> "Wenn ein Gesetz mit Geld zu tun hat, muss der Entwurf [im ReprÀsentantenhaus] seinen Ursprung haben. [...] Wir halten fest: Wenn der Senat oder gar der PrÀsident von sich aus anfangen ÃŒber Geld reden, kann man das getrost ignorieren." 15:41:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> (http://usaerklaert.wordpress.com/2006/07/10/der-bund-teil-2-der-pobel-in-action-das-reprasentantenhaus/) 15:46:33 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 15:59:14 *** planetmaker is now known as pm|work 15:59:21 *** pm_away is now known as planetmaker 16:00:36 *** divoafx [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 16:02:25 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499F199.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 16:03:25 *** divoafx [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:03:29 *** divoafx [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 16:03:34 <Belugas> rgarde, j'comprends rien de ta patente, Eddi|zuHause2. Rien pantoute 16:03:49 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm191.epsilon124.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [] 16:04:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> lo siento. 16:04:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> :p 16:05:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> Belugas: it's a quote to support my previous statement, it basically says "any law regarding money has to origin in the house of representatives, if the senate or the president start talking about money, you can ignore that" 16:07:04 <Belugas> hhaaaaa.... hoooo.... 16:07:07 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:07:15 <Belugas> lo comprendo 16:08:31 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-092-072-004-007.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:10:34 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 16:11:56 *** Slowpoke_ [~Lobster@dslb-088-073-226-240.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:12:05 *** yorP [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:15:56 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E65C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:17:52 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:18:37 *** Slowpoke [~Lobster@dslb-088-073-226-240.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:24:31 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 16:37:10 *** mikl [~mikl@4003ds5-vbr.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 16:43:16 *** Slowpoke_ [~Lobster@dslb-088-073-226-240.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:51:43 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:51:54 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 16:54:38 *** frosch123 [~mtce@pascal.math.tu-clausthal.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:58:45 *** Morloth [~bram.ridd@83.80.64.130] has quit [Quit: hoem] 17:17:59 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B78930.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 17:19:02 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@79.30.232.177] has joined #openttd 17:20:04 <Wolf01> hello 17:22:34 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:24:13 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12652 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: rework the order GUI a little more to make it a little more clear that 'transfer' is just an unload type. 17:24:43 <SpComb> http://pb.paivola.fi/580 <-- heh, that's the source code of by /sbin/init 17:25:03 * SpComb is running openttd (and nothing else, and I mean nothing else, openttd is running as pid=1) inside a vserver 17:25:51 <Progman> literaly dedicated server ;) 17:26:36 *** mikl [~mikl@4003ds5-vbr.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by Peer Gynt] 17:27:49 <peter1138> pre-setup network? :o 17:28:13 <SpComb> yeah, it runs on top of the same kernel as the host machine 17:28:15 *** yorP is now known as yorick 17:29:09 *** mikl [~mikl@4003ds5-vbr.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 17:30:50 <SpComb> http://pb.paivola.fi/581 <-- fs-tree 17:47:32 *** yorP [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:47:42 *** yorick is now known as Guest1299 17:47:43 *** yorP is now known as yorick 17:49:17 *** Mirrakor [~linuser@p57B2C512.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:53:00 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12653 /trunk/src/order_gui.cpp: -Codechange: disable load/unload dropdowns when there is a 'via' non-stop order to emphasize that loading/unloading will not be done. 17:53:10 *** Guest1299 [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:53:31 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:01:01 <Patrick`> is there a channel specifically for openttd multiplayer games? 18:01:23 <Belugas> only one i know would be the openttdcoop 18:04:50 <Patrick`> actually, dihedral's server looks pretty good 18:05:07 <Patrick`> noooooooooo! ut's the wrong climate! 18:10:14 <SpComb> hmm... it seems openttd forks on startup 18:12:26 *** A_Rock [R.Rock@xdsl-87-79-193-28.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 18:21:30 <Belugas> i hate forks 18:21:36 <Belugas> i'd rather use spoons 18:22:12 <bowman> spoon() 18:24:17 <KingJ> How resource intensive is the Win OpenTTD dedi server in terms of CPU/RAM/Net Usage? 18:26:49 <Belugas> same as regular game, iirc 18:32:41 *** Diadem [math@115pc224.sshunet.nl] has joined #openttd 18:32:58 <Diadem> Quick quiz question: What is the optimal distance to transport coal with an Ginzu A4. Profit wise 18:33:33 <ln> 210 à 297 mm 18:34:10 <Belugas> Whooouu... a quizz... ho.. i 18:34:15 <Belugas> m so excited... 18:34:20 <Belugas> hem hem hem... 18:34:24 <Belugas> 256? 18:34:38 <[1]Roujin> I'd say preferably a distance where a coal mine is at one end and a power plant at the other end. 18:34:55 <[1]Roujin> everything else would be less profitable... 18:35:05 <Diadem> hehe 18:35:18 <Diadem> Nope, more than 256 18:35:22 * Belugas thinks [1]Roujin wanted to write "map" but did not! 18:35:37 <Diadem> assume a completely straight line, and indeed a coal mine at one end an a power plant at another 18:35:40 <Diadem> no bumps along the route 18:35:51 <Belugas> ho... don't let me die of curiosity!!!! THE ANSWER THE ANSWER!!!! 18:36:05 <Diadem> About 1400 tiles 18:36:12 * [1]Roujin is not sure what Belugas is talking about oO 18:36:18 <hylje> Diadem: AS LONG AS YOU CAN AFFORD! MWAHAHAHA!! 18:36:54 * Belugas may have wrongfully understood [1]Roujin's post ;) 18:37:08 <Diadem> :) 18:37:27 <Diadem> Well prices go up linearly with distance but they go down faster than linearly with tranport time 18:37:30 <Diadem> so there should be an optimal distance 18:37:42 <Ammler> [1]Roujin: New patch idea for you, something like a "same year repeater" or time stopper ;-) 18:37:49 <Diadem> After a certain distance time penalties become so harsh that extra distance doesn't help anymore 18:38:49 <[1]Roujin> except that the time penalty stops at some point completely and from then on profit raises again until infinity *cough* 18:39:29 <[1]Roujin> at least that's what someone else found out... somewhere in the development section he tried fixing that somehow... 18:39:52 <Diadem> well 18:40:01 <[1]Roujin> ah, that's what i meant http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=36555 18:40:11 <Diadem> the maximum penalty according to the wiki is 88% 18:40:31 <Diadem> taht's so harsh that it's not worth it trying to beat it with huge distance 18:41:32 <Diadem> I don't know exactly when it's reached. But clearly not yet with a 1400 tile route with the worst train in the set 18:42:00 <Diadem> to make more profit with a longer route at maximum penalty you'd need a 6000 or so tile route. Impossible :) 18:43:12 <[1]Roujin> throw in huge maps patch, make a map with biggest size, build a line from one edge of the map to the other and wait some years (possible real time, not game time ;)) - kaCHING! :P 18:43:58 <Patrick`> Roujin, I did that 18:44:06 <Patrick`> with 64 x 65536 it takes about 4 years 18:44:11 <Patrick`> for a monorail 18:44:17 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 18:44:18 <Patrick`> er, maglev 18:44:23 <Diadem> lol 18:44:33 <Diadem> and what was the payment? 18:45:13 <Patrick`> not that much 18:45:15 <Patrick`> under a million 18:45:22 <Patrick`> 3 or 400k 18:45:33 <Patrick`> when I'd usually scoop 100k for a 1024 tile 18:45:41 <Diadem> what goods and what train lenght? 18:45:43 *** Mark [~Mark@5351EE62.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- s0 d4Mn l33t |t'z 5c4rY!] 18:45:47 <Patrick`> coal, 8 wagons 18:45:55 <Patrick`> that patch does go all the way up to a million tiles long 18:45:56 <Diadem> Hmmm 18:46:05 <Patrick`> but the map generation takes about an hour 18:46:10 <Patrick`> and uses 1.4 gig of ram 18:46:18 <Diadem> I make 400K on a 1000 tile route with 12 steel wagons. With trains doing 160kph 18:46:24 <Patrick`> on 65536 it took me over a minute just to scroll to the end 18:46:29 <Patrick`> maybe it was 500k 18:46:39 <Patrick`> the time was so high 18:46:50 <Diadem> So basicly not worth it beating time penalty 18:46:55 <Patrick`> problem is the game never got rebalanced for huge maps 18:47:06 <Diadem> luckily it's very lentient. You can easily take half a year to transport stuff 18:47:15 <Patrick`> yeah 18:47:43 <Diadem> So we can safely say "longer is better unless you play with maps over 5000 tiles long" :) 18:47:58 <Patrick`> ye. 18:48:07 <Patrick`> on a "max" sized map, you're fine 18:48:09 <Diadem> but who really wants such big maps? 18:48:29 <Diadem> I'm playing on a 1024x1024 map, I've been spending AGES on the game now and only hooked up 1/6th of all industries or something 18:48:48 <bowman> for multiplayer you may want more 18:49:13 <Diadem> actually I think multiplayer you can do a lot less because you can't pause the game all the time :) 18:49:37 <bowman> thats what the other people are for hehe 18:50:43 <Diadem> true 18:51:14 <Diadem> I've tried openttd coop. But their networks are actually tiny 18:51:37 <Patrick`> yeah 18:51:42 <Patrick`> wait, what? 18:51:57 <Patrick`> they're grotesquely enormous, full of bypasses and 6x6 junctions 18:52:08 <peter1138> heh 18:52:12 *** divoafx [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:52:28 <Diadem> Not those I have seen 18:52:42 <Diadem> perhaps I've looked at the wrong game 18:52:44 <Diadem> *s 18:53:41 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 18:54:38 <Patrick`> current public server one 18:54:42 <Patrick`> at least as of 2 days ago 18:54:45 *** sunkan [Tarquin@sunkan.bsnet.se] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.36 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 18:54:55 <Patrick`> unless they restarted 18:55:32 <bowman> I find that even with pausing most industries close before you can get them connected, on maps larger than 512x 18:55:51 <Diadem> ah I found their archive 18:55:58 <bowman> at least it feels like a ton of them close hehe 18:55:59 <Diadem> Their biggest game ever according to their archive has 1004 trains 18:56:17 <Diadem> My current game has almost 600 and it's only 1967 18:58:18 <Patrick`> yeah, but thier map is like half tracks 18:59:39 <Belugas> [14:54] <bowman> I find that even with pausing most industries close before you can get them connected, on maps larger than 512x <-- known. work on fixing this has already started. The closure of industries will not be affected, just the renew of them 19:05:41 <peter1138> al 19:06:02 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F1FB8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:13:05 *** Mirrakor [~linuser@p57B2C512.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:15:23 *** Aerandir [~magic.pow@h77n1-ud-a11.ias.bredband.telia.com] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.39 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 19:19:56 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-154-49.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:20:36 *** A_Rock [R.Rock@xdsl-87-79-193-28.netcologne.de] has quit [] 19:22:04 *** RichK67 [~RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 19:22:16 <RichK67> hi 19:22:27 <Wolf01> hi RichK67 19:23:39 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 19:26:23 *** Aerandir [~magic.pow@h77n1-ud-a11.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #openttd 19:34:48 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:37:16 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 19:39:39 *** divoafx [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 19:39:39 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:40:38 *** RichK67 [~RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [Quit: RichK67] 19:42:56 *** divoafx [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:43:09 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 19:44:01 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:44:30 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:45:04 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:45:08 *** svip [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:45:26 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-232-74.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:46:14 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 19:46:41 <Belugas> #Bed's too big without YOU! 19:49:14 <glx> wrong chan Belugas I think 19:49:37 <Belugas> ? 19:49:39 <Belugas> ho.. 19:49:42 <Belugas> :( 19:49:46 * Belugas is confused 19:49:51 * hylje spawns more overlords 20:00:35 <Progman> we are the swarm 20:02:58 *** Priski [priski@xob.kapsi.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:10:11 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:19:45 *** mikl [~mikl@4003ds5-vbr.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 20:20:08 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:21:13 *** sunkan [Tarquin@sunkan.bsnet.se] has joined #openttd 20:22:12 *** sunkan [Tarquin@sunkan.bsnet.se] has quit [] 20:22:28 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:26:20 *** sunkan [Tarquin@sunkan.bsnet.se] has joined #openttd 20:30:50 *** sunkan [Tarquin@sunkan.bsnet.se] has quit [] 20:31:11 *** sunkan [Tarquin@sunkan.bsnet.se] has joined #openttd 20:32:17 *** sunkan [Tarquin@sunkan.bsnet.se] has quit [] 20:32:23 *** sunkan [sunkan@sunkan.bsnet.se] has joined #openttd 20:39:22 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-092-072-004-007.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:48:07 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-092-072-002-111.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 20:51:25 <peter1138> may nothing but happiness come through your door 20:51:27 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:52:55 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 20:53:05 <Belugas> http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/080410-am-intelligence-model.html 20:53:07 <Belugas> Hint... 20:53:09 <Belugas> So rare, 20:53:18 <Belugas> it has not totall reached forums :S 20:53:27 <peter1138> :) 20:53:28 <SmatZ> :-) 20:54:54 <peter1138> babe, i'm gonna leave you 20:55:17 <SmatZ> I wonder, people don't read wiki, they don't even look thaough patch options, they just post on tt-forums, or post on tt-forums with "BUG!?" in topic, or,even worse, they report it at bugs.openttd.org 20:57:45 <Belugas> Leave you when the summer comes a-rollin' 20:57:51 <Belugas> indeed SmatZ... 20:57:57 <Belugas> LAZINESS!!! 20:59:03 <SmatZ> :-) 20:59:27 <peter1138> any particular post you're talking about, or just in general? 20:59:28 <Belugas> and speacking of LACK of intelligence... -> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=36043 20:59:35 <peter1138> heh 21:00:47 <SmatZ> peter1138: just in general - now there are two recent threads with "even transparent trees block my view" (they don't know about the Invisible trees option), or often required "game is so fast/slow" "planes earn too much money" etc... it is still the same 21:00:59 <SmatZ> or very often mentioned "stupid AI" 21:01:15 *** Diadem [math@115pc224.sshunet.nl] has quit [Quit: Gone] 21:01:17 <Belugas> anyone with below 20 posts are, generally 21:01:19 <SmatZ> and bugreports about "train waiting in a station" (because it was given a timetable) 21:02:41 <SmatZ> hehe @ Belugas :) 21:04:00 <Belugas> and now... home 21:04:03 <Belugas> by bye 21:04:04 <SmatZ> bye bye Belugas 21:07:44 <Wolf01> mmmhmhm, not nice... cities are building parallel roads, like a 2x2 grid into a 3x3 grid 21:11:44 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B78930.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:17:11 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:17:11 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:17:45 <SmatZ> Wolf01: did you change the grid? 21:17:52 <SmatZ> from 3x3 to 2x2? 21:17:57 <SmatZ> or to "Random"? 21:18:14 <Wolf01> maybe to random 21:23:09 *** Morloth [~bram@53542231.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 21:23:17 *** Priski [priski@xob.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 21:28:02 <Wolf01> 'night 21:28:08 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@79.30.232.177] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:43:29 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 21:47:54 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@aura.geophys.nat.tu-bs.de] has quit [Quit: bye!] 21:48:48 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5451D.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:57:33 *** shodan [user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 22:02:41 *** elmex [~elmex@e180066014.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:07:46 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12654 /trunk/src/order_gui.cpp: -Codechange: remove some unneeded right click handling due to the splitting of the load/refit button. 22:12:41 *** [1]Roujin [~Roujin@mnch-4d04db18.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Would you like to know more?] 22:15:35 *** dragonhorseboy [~dragonhor@modemcable147.26-58-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 22:16:01 <dragonhorseboy> anyone know what would cause ecs town vector to disable itself? 22:16:16 * dragonhorseboy is trying to figure out this silly thing re getting ecs loaded for multiplay 22:16:36 <dragonhorseboy> several other ecs vectors are already loading just fine 22:16:44 <Patrick`> is there anything between the complexity of ecs and the regular set of industries? 22:16:50 <SmatZ> maybe wrong landscape? 22:17:13 <SmatZ> maybe you are using another town replacement set 22:17:17 <SmatZ> I don't know 22:17:18 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12655 /trunk/src/order_gui.cpp: -Change: show the current state in the drop down 'buttons'. 22:17:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> or wrong order of grfs? 22:18:35 *** Mirrakor [~linuser@p57B2C512.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:18:49 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12656 /trunk/src/ (39 files in 3 dirs): -Fix: tooltips for some order buttons are outdated/incorrect. 22:19:01 <dragonhorseboy> hm you telling me I can't have chemicals vector loaded at all just because of using north america building grf? 22:19:15 <dragonhorseboy> (that vector wants the town vector loaded...and the latter is disabled..meh) 22:19:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> Patrick`: there is Pikka's Basic Industries (PBI) 22:19:59 <Patrick`> coo 22:20:08 <Patrick`> oh I remember that 22:20:27 <Patrick`> I gave up because the forum didn't allow 3-letter searches and google only turned up the pc-bsd archive format 22:20:29 <ln> I HATE ECLIPSE 22:20:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> also, that can be extended by the "Brick Chain" 22:20:31 <Patrick`> but now that i know it's pikka 22:20:33 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|bnc 22:20:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> you know, there is grfcrawler 22:20:57 <Patrick`> my maps tend to spider out and only have one-way junctions etc 22:21:05 <dragonhorseboy> so do I have to do without the chemical/construction vectors or ? 22:21:14 <Patrick`> because all they're doing is funelling everything to one consumption 22:21:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> dragonhorseboy: what does chemical have to do with town vector? 22:21:38 <dragonhorseboy> eddi..its saying it requires the town vector 22:21:50 <dragonhorseboy> and well they're disabling themself because town vector got disabled :/ 22:22:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> wasn't there a "basic vector"? 22:22:38 <dragonhorseboy> yes and that one is enabled 22:22:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> and like SmatZ indicated, do you use the right climate? 22:23:06 <dragonhorseboy> its temperate heh :"> 22:23:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> or rather, the right grf for the climate? 22:23:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> some of the ECS grfs were divided for each climate 22:23:33 <dragonhorseboy> yeah I noticed there were a few other for tropical/pikka .. don't have these in the newgrf list 22:24:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> and the order of grfs is relevant 22:24:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> and generally, you are probably doing something wrong 22:24:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> wrongly? 22:24:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> i hate english 22:26:26 <Patrick`> Eddi|zuHause2: I just found out about grfcrawler from what you said 22:26:33 <dragonhorseboy> eddi the only warnings they give in about any order is to have town vector loaded before 22:26:35 <dragonhorseboy> nothing else 22:26:49 <dragonhorseboy> (and yes I did try enable/disable the working vectors to check) 22:28:52 <Patrick`> I remember once seeing a diagram of cargo dependancy in ECS linked from here 22:29:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> Patrick`: it's all on georges pages 22:29:38 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 22:29:59 <Patrick`> yeah, was crawling them 22:30:28 <dragonhorseboy> hmm wiki only explains each vector..not much about putting them together 22:31:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> dragonhorseboy: order them by the last two digits of the GRF-ID 22:32:28 <Patrick`> I've probably got the wrong site then, this one's been updated but it mostly reads like it's from 1995 22:33:31 <Patrick`> sleep, will find it later 22:33:50 <SmatZ> :) 22:33:53 <SmatZ> nn Patrick` 22:33:55 *** sunkan [sunkan@sunkan.bsnet.se] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.36 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 22:35:02 <Patrick`> dur, or not 22:35:07 <Patrick`> http://www.george.zernebok.net/newgrf/newcargos/img/Cargo%20vectors%2016.png 22:35:13 <Patrick`> I really want a poster of this now :) 22:35:19 *** sunkan [sunkan@sunkan.bsnet.se] has joined #openttd 22:38:30 <dragonhorseboy> quick question... 22:38:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> too slow. 22:38:47 <dragonhorseboy> is 'ecs vehicles alpha 1' a vector or just rv refit? 22:39:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> "vehicles" means refit options 22:39:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> it doesn't provide any industries 22:39:40 <dragonhorseboy> thought so ty 22:40:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> i think it's for all default vehicles, not only road 22:40:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> and it assumes that you do not use newgrf sets 22:40:46 <dragonhorseboy> well brb to eat then I'll be back to figure out more of this :p 22:41:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> first you are back and then you are back? how does that work? 22:56:07 <dragonhorseboy> north america city, north america road, us station, planeset, newship, industrial station renewal, generic tram, canadian station, canadian trainset, newbridges, [insert all ecs here], LV4 22:56:18 <dragonhorseboy> thats what the newgrf list is like eddi 23:03:45 <Dominik> why are cargo vectors called cargo vectors? 23:04:04 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:04:23 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499DAE2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:06:57 <DaleStan> Because "cargo vectors" is what George calls them. 23:09:34 <ln> eclipse is a long-lasting inside joke, isn't it? 23:09:49 <ln> surely no one uses it for real development? 23:10:16 <dragonhorseboy> hm ok...ECS coal mine says its waiting to process 0 vehicles 23:10:26 <dragonhorseboy> guess there's something buggering it...*unloads all ecs* 23:10:29 <SmatZ> we use eclipse at school... 23:10:36 <SmatZ> way better than JBuilder we used before 23:17:11 <Dominik> i'm currently struggling with eclipse. i tried moving over to it from kdevelop because i don't want to use too much kde. it has its plusses, but also its quirks : / 23:18:30 <ln> i have to say that with 4 cores and 4 GB of RAM the slowness is not an issue, but other things are. 23:19:03 <Wezz6400> I've noticed the other day that eclipse is much, much faster on linux than it is on windows 23:20:22 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499DAE2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:24:23 <dragonhorseboy> hm got a map running for now anyhow ^-^ 23:27:22 *** dragonhorseboy [~dragonhor@modemcable147.26-58-74.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [] 23:36:14 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 23:45:26 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.67.68] has quit [] 23:46:36 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E65C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:51:43 *** Poopsmith [~Poopsmith@124-197-37-77.callplus.net.nz] has joined #openttd 23:59:15 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-154-49.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving]