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00:01:41 *** De_Ghosty [~s@cpe0050ba8caf2c-cm0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 00:04:52 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: belugas * r12983 /trunk/src/ (airport_gui.cpp dock_gui.cpp road_gui.cpp): -Codechange [FS#1987] : Unification of all dynamite tools calls to only one. Thanks to Roujin 00:06:59 *** De_Ghost [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:07:24 *** De_Ghost [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 00:09:43 *** De_Ghosty [~s@cpe0050ba8caf2c-cm0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:19:16 <Belugas> # She's a black magic woman 00:19:26 <Sacro> <3 fleetwood mac 00:20:47 <Belugas> ? 00:20:49 <Belugas> naaa... 00:20:53 <Belugas> Santana 00:26:54 *** Nitehawk [~nitehawk@c-76-30-125-86.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:30:46 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-61-113.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:33:12 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B7543A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:34:15 *** Nitehawk [~nitehawk@c-76-30-125-86.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:40:01 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B7577E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 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Trunk fails to compile on OS-x. Is it known? 07:40:31 <Rubidium> yup 07:40:48 <planetmaker> ok, then I guess I can skip the bug report :) 07:41:00 <Rubidium> ask Bjarni why it hasn't been fixed yet 07:42:20 <planetmaker> oh, it worked in r12974, so nine revisions ago, nightly as of yesterday :) 07:43:53 *** SirBob [~chatzilla@c122-107-227-146.eburwd5.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:43:59 <planetmaker> So one of the last nine revisions broke it, I guess... 07:46:52 <planetmaker> http://paste.openttd.org/5927 <-- error during compilation 07:47:21 *** DASPRiD [~DASPRiD@HSI-KBW-091-089-007-208.hsi2.kabelbw.de] has joined #openttd 07:52:17 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 07:58:09 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:09:58 <peter1138> bjarni said he was going to fix it this morning 08:11:47 <peter1138> gah, i hate deciphering ttdpatch code :o 08:13:55 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@e015.tum.vpn.lrz-muenchen.de] has joined #openttd 08:15:02 *** ceiv [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 08:15:29 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm207.epsilon123.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [] 08:25:45 *** Slowpoke [~Lobster@dslb-088-073-198-196.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 08:26:50 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79ad5.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 08:26:53 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 08:28:09 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12984 /trunk/src/window.cpp: -Codechange: some coding style in window.cpp. 08:33:22 <ln> is it a bird, is it a plane? 08:33:33 <ln> no, it's ... 08:34:25 <DASPRiD> a train 08:38:36 <blindcoder> a world of pain! 08:39:04 <Rubidium> it's a very annoying ln 08:39:08 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: bjarni * r12985 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Fix (r12977): [OSX] fixed missing includes in the cocoa files 08:39:59 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.36.Static.ssp.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:40:13 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.36.Static.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 08:43:47 <ln> Rubidium: thanks. 08:44:01 <ln> Rubidium: should i leave this channel? 08:44:50 <Bjarni> we aren't stopping you :p 08:49:29 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@e015.tum.vpn.lrz-muenchen.de] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 08:51:40 <planetmaker> hello Bjarni 08:51:54 <planetmaker> Thx for fixing os-x again :) 08:55:25 <Bjarni> you are welcome 08:55:40 <Bjarni> I needed to fix it so I could compile and fix another issue 08:57:34 <planetmaker> I guess so :). Playing w/o binary is pretty hard core ;) 09:00:44 *** shodan [user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 09:07:33 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12986 /trunk/ (26 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: move the landscape and transport related types from openttd.h to their own headers. 09:08:48 *** Netsplit charon.oftc.net <-> resistance.oftc.net quits: shodan 09:08:54 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 09:09:48 *** Netsplit over, joins: shodan 09:18:21 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B81E26.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:19:10 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 09:20:04 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B81077.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:20:44 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has joined #openttd 09:21:11 <ln> 26 files... 09:28:16 <ln> Rubidium: have i annoyed you in particular? 09:32:29 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:33:26 <ln> Bjarni: or you? 09:33:36 <ln> CIA-3: or you? 09:34:43 <Celestar> you annoyed ME :P 09:35:45 <ln> oh. 09:36:16 <ln> can you elaborate? 09:37:11 <Celestar> er no 09:37:17 <Celestar> the planet just annoys me today 09:38:47 <Celestar> as you are most likely on the planet ... 09:39:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> you could blame the maker of said planet :p 09:39:38 <Celestar> 1-800-CALL-GOD ? 09:40:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't think that would work where you live :p 09:40:49 <Celestar> 0-800-CALL-GOD ? 09:41:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> looks better ;) 09:41:20 <ln> though god lives in america. 09:44:54 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:45:49 <Bjarni> Celestar: why do you want to call "Groceries On Delivery"? 09:45:53 <Bjarni> are you hungry? 09:47:15 <Ammler> is it possible to include rev suffix to a patch? 09:47:29 <Ammler> but still have automatic rev detection 09:47:31 <Rubidium> yes 09:47:36 <Ammler> something like rXXXX-patch 09:48:12 <Bjarni> sure 09:48:16 <Ammler> :-) 09:48:19 <Ammler> and how? 09:48:25 <Bjarni> but then you have to edit the creation of the version string 09:48:26 <Rubidium> rev.cpp.in 09:48:41 <Ammler> ah :-) 09:48:59 <Ammler> const char _openttd_revision[] = "@@VERSION@@-patch"; 09:49:24 <Bjarni> make a more descriptive name than "patch" ;) 09:49:40 <Ammler> well, fo course, that was just a example 09:50:09 <Celestar> @@VERSION@@-my_patch 09:50:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> @@VERSION@@-descriptive_name 09:51:34 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has joined #openttd 09:55:36 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: The ending changes tone & is actually quite sad - but it involves a scene of necrophilia, so that's just another plus in my book.....] 09:56:45 <Ammler> i thought about something to replace the M, but thats fine too :-) 09:58:39 <Ammler> /home/ottdcoop/svn-devserver/src/rail_cmd.cpp: In function `VehicleEnterTileStatus VehicleEnter_Track(Vehicle*, TileIndex, int, int)': 09:58:40 <Ammler> /home/ottdcoop/svn-devserver/src/rail_cmd.cpp:2278: warning: cannot pass objects of non-POD type `class OverflowSafeInt64' through `...'; call will abort at runtime 09:58:50 <Ammler> Is that a bad one? 09:59:29 <Rubidium> no, it's perfectly fine 09:59:35 <Rubidium> (if you're interested in crashes) 09:59:56 *** UserErr0r [~User@c-98-202-77-105.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:00:03 <Ammler> :-) hmm 10:02:26 *** UserError [~User@c-98-202-77-105.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 10:05:18 *** Osai^zZz`off is now known as Osai 10:09:18 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 10:13:35 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 10:17:04 <planetmaker> I need some help patching: patch -p0 < patch1 && patch -p0 < patch2 work fine 10:17:55 <planetmaker> on a clean trunk. Creating a joint diff using svn diff > join.diff produces a diff file which doesn't compile when applied while the patched trunk as above compiles 10:18:08 <planetmaker> Obviously some files are not added to the diff. What am I missing in between? 10:18:20 <Rubidium> svn add? 10:18:46 <planetmaker> in the trunk dir? And I need to specify all files added? (Sorry, never did that...) 10:19:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> grep "Revision 0" patch1 patch2 10:19:28 <planetmaker> Or rather the same dir I did svn co ? 10:19:42 <peter1138> any new files, heh 10:19:59 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5720D.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:20:45 <Bjarni> planetmaker: you are missing all the newly added files. You should read your diff files to see if they add new files 10:21:16 <Bjarni> before making the joined diff you should run "svn add (filename(s) of new file(s))" 10:21:31 <planetmaker> I know they do. I'm trying to build a diff for the infrastructure sharing and move player. IS does add... Thx. Will try that. 10:21:42 <Bjarni> you can add more than one file at a time if you separate them with space 10:22:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> my grep command should tell you all these files 10:22:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> pipe through awk if you want to insert them into the svn add command automatically ;) 10:22:58 <Bjarni> heh 10:23:00 <Bjarni> nice idea 10:23:08 <Bjarni> or write a shell script 10:23:26 <Bjarni> bash can do it too if you are a bit creative and don't want to use awk 10:23:38 <Roest> hawk 10:23:46 <Bjarni> hack 10:23:57 <Roest> honk 10:25:11 <Bjarni> monk 10:25:33 <Bjarni> a monk wrote awk? 10:26:14 <Roest> you gave up too early we could've proven the existence of dragons 10:26:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> the holy coconut is in the city of aaaaaaaawk 10:26:25 <Bjarni> I didn't know of this secret version of it's name but I guess the evidence tells us to join a monastery 10:29:47 <Bjarni> I guess most of the really hardcore awk coders already gave up on sex 10:29:53 <Bjarni> or at least live that way :P 10:30:04 <Roest> lol 10:38:53 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause2: hm... this grep command gives me all *modified* files. But not the added ones... 10:39:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm, it should... 10:39:21 <planetmaker> nvm. I found the added files and it compiles now with the created diff. Thx a lot Bjarni 10:40:01 <Bjarni> <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause2: hm... this grep command gives me all *modified* files. But not the added ones... <-- you could seek advice in the local monastery 10:40:11 <Bjarni> we just figured out that they should be pretty good at awk 10:40:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> modified files should have "(Revision XXXXX)" behind them, and added files "(Revision 0)" 10:40:35 <planetmaker> ah. okay, I did something wrong then :P 10:40:51 <Roest> bjarni we must act, china is killing the monks 10:41:06 <Bjarni> oh well 10:41:12 <Bjarni> I never figured out awk anyway 10:41:16 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause2: I changed it to the trunk revision I applied it to - thinking you were giving a generic revision number 10:41:30 <Bjarni> lol 10:41:35 <Bjarni> he didn't 10:42:00 <planetmaker> obviously :) 10:42:14 <Roest> planetmaker: before you kill yourself, can i have your stuff? 10:42:27 <planetmaker> yes. get the diff from the forum. 10:42:33 *** Digitalfox_Home [~chatzilla@bl7-191-86.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.82 [Firefox 2.0.0.14/2008040413]] 10:42:44 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=37455&p=688782#p688782 10:43:07 <planetmaker> (But I'll refrain from suicide nevertheless even now :P ) 10:43:20 <Roest> we will see 10:44:01 * Bjarni notes that planetmaker can't be Finnish 10:44:36 * planetmaker wonders how Bjarni ever came to the conclusion that I'm Finish (not that I would mind, but...) 10:45:57 *** ceiv [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 10:49:28 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:54:36 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B789A8.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 11:05:44 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: BBL] 11:09:11 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-129-192.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:13:41 *** mikl [~mikl@adsl.peytz.dk] has joined #openttd 11:19:17 <Roest> http://engrish.com/detail.php?imagename=faborite-things.jpg&category=Clothing&date=2008-02-15 11:21:17 *** gfldex_ [~dex@dslb-092-078-005-160.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:21:55 *** SirBob [~chatzilla@c122-107-227-146.eburwd5.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:25:54 *** mikl [~mikl@adsl.peytz.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:29:10 *** mikl [~mikl@adsl.peytz.dk] has joined #openttd 11:30:00 <Bjarni> * planetmaker wonders how Bjarni ever came to the conclusion that I'm Finish (not that I would mind, but...) <-- you said you wouldn't commit suicide and Finland has AFAIK the highest rate of suicide/population 11:31:01 <planetmaker> oh, *that's* a trail of thought I'd never have guessed :). 11:31:04 <Bjarni> so when you refuse to kill yourself when people talk about it then it's logical to presume that you aren't affected by such environmental impressions 11:31:21 <Gekz> you're still angry Bjarni 11:31:22 <Gekz> :/ 11:31:38 <planetmaker> lol. Much too nice spring here right now to have such gloomy thoughts... :) 11:31:38 <Bjarni> ... 11:31:48 <Bjarni> Gekz: angry? 11:31:49 <planetmaker> Gekz: whom? Me? 11:32:03 <Gekz> Bjarni: infuriated, frustrated perhaps 11:32:04 <ln> Bjarni: do you desire to have SkÃ¥ne? 11:32:32 <Bjarni> SkÃ¥ne desires to be given to Denmark 11:32:36 * planetmaker ponders what random statement will show up next... 11:32:54 <Gekz> antipaladinism 11:33:00 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@ACD1C88E.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 11:33:23 <Bjarni> the question is if we want it as Stockholm managed to send most of their "problematic individuals" as far away as possible which would be SkÃ¥ne 11:33:34 <insulfrog> hello, how is all? :) 11:34:01 <Bjarni> so Danish trains are vandalised in Malmö :( 11:34:23 <Roest> bjarni where in denmark are you? 11:34:27 <Bjarni> at home 11:34:34 <Roest> :P 11:34:37 <Bjarni> trying to study 11:34:48 <Roest> town 11:34:58 <Bjarni> at home is a pretty specific place description 11:35:02 <Bjarni> even better than town 11:35:17 <Bjarni> and town wouldn't matter as you will likely not be able to find it on a map anyway 11:35:28 <Roest> try me 11:36:00 <Bjarni> but let me put it in another way 11:36:19 <Gekz> lol 11:36:32 <Bjarni> if I use public transportation then Sweden is as close as Copenhagen when it comes to transportation time 11:37:00 <Gekz> you're in Jerusalem? 11:37:00 <Roest> i have friends on bornholm, guess they can say the same 11:37:03 <Bjarni> lol 11:37:59 <Bjarni> Roest: no because public transportation from Bornholm goes to Ystad (in Sweden) and then by train all the way through SkÃ¥ne (east-west) and over the bridge to Denmark 11:38:12 <Bjarni> the ferry takes like an hour or so 11:38:33 <Bjarni> alternatively you can take a ferry that goes all the way to KÞge (a town south of Copenhagen) 11:38:39 <Bjarni> that would take 7 hours 11:39:30 <Bjarni> I once went on the ferry with school... spent the entire day sailing 11:39:48 <Bjarni> the bad part was that I had run out of food :s 11:39:55 <Roest> lol 11:40:06 <Bjarni> so I was somewhat hungry when I got home 11:41:22 <Bjarni> whenever I plan myself or let a member of my family do the planning then I never run out of food without bringing too much 11:41:41 <Bjarni> whenever it's a week by school I ran out of food more than once 11:42:19 <ln> too bad your currencies are mutually incompatible, so you cannot even buy more food. 11:42:34 <Bjarni> that wasn't the issue 11:42:51 <Bjarni> besides my currency is perfectly valid on Bornholm ;) 11:44:00 <peter1138> so is the 'replace two ukrs dmus' autoreplace thing fixed now? 11:44:01 <Bjarni> you know usually if you are stuck somewhere and really need food then Swedes will accept Danish kr at an exchange rate of 1:1 11:44:40 <Bjarni> but since one SKR = 0.89 DKK then it's not a nice solution for you 11:46:10 <Bjarni> peter1138: no... I have a half working (aka half done) solution to that issue on my HD but it might take a while to get the other half working 11:46:20 <Bjarni> a while as (not today or tomorrow) 11:46:27 <Bjarni> or whatever 11:46:41 <Bjarni> I know how to solve the issue but I wonder if I can improve on the way to get there 11:47:16 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499DD5C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:52:32 <Bjarni> <ln> Bjarni: do you desire to have SkÃ¥ne? <-- Local TV in Copenhagen once said that they have uncovered a secret plan to blow up stuff in Sweden so SkÃ¥ne and Halland would be separated from Sweden and drift southwards. The new bridge to Sweden is in reality a hook to catch the drifting landmass to prevent it from ending up in Germany so it's all a big plan to regain old Danish territory 11:52:43 <Bjarni> they had engineers telling about it and stuff 11:52:55 <Bjarni> all that was broadcasted on the first of April 11:56:49 <peter1138> how surprising 11:58:05 * Roest must destroy the hook 11:59:00 <Gekz> KILL THE HOOK 11:59:24 <Bjarni> that station once had a visitor (some famous person) and saw clips of their April fools joke for the past 3 years or so (he was told they were jokes) and afterwards he was surprised that they were jokes 11:59:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> <Bjarni> at home is a pretty specific place description <- i agree ;) 11:59:48 <Bjarni> be believed all of them and didn't realise they were a bit odd 12:00:20 <Bjarni> he thought it was a pretty good idea to extend the metro tube with an additional tunnel for bikes 12:00:41 <Bjarni> and let taxis stuck in traffic drive on bike trails 12:01:11 <Roest> during my time with Nato we always called the danes a bit crazy 12:01:16 <Bjarni> I think they would have rerecorded that interview if it wasn't live :D 12:02:06 <Bjarni> Roest: why? 12:02:17 <Roest> because they are 12:02:28 <Bjarni> ... 12:02:39 <Bjarni> I meant why do Nato consider Danes to be crazy? 12:03:01 <Roest> i meant the danish people i worked with there 12:03:11 <Bjarni> oh 12:03:18 <Bjarni> the Danish soldiers 12:03:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> ALL people i ever worked with were somewhat crazy :p 12:03:44 <Gekz> maybe you are crazy Eddi|zuHause2 12:03:45 <Roest> i was in intelligence so some of them were civillians too 12:03:47 <Gekz> and they are normal :P 12:03:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> but i don't think any of them were danes 12:03:52 <Bjarni> isn't that a pretty good description of soldiers in general? 12:05:04 <Roest> those friends on bornholm sold their house and live on a sailboat, that's crazy enough for my taste 12:05:41 <Bjarni> I read the result of an opinion poll yesterday. It would appear that DR (Danish TV station) is the most reliable source of news in Denmark according to their test 12:05:52 <Bjarni> more trustworthy than TV2 12:05:56 <Bjarni> and the newspapers 12:06:40 <Bjarni> yet DR had to fire a journalist for faking tapes and they were caught in a fake documentary (two independent cases) 12:06:52 <Bjarni> while I can't recall TV2 ever really faking news 12:07:42 <Roest> if you call the media reliable ...may i sell you this mirror, it isn't really a mirror but a long range communication device with your identical twin 12:07:49 <Bjarni> my conclusion is that I don't trust that opinion to be true :P 12:08:25 <Bjarni> Roest: it was the most reliable source, not if it is completely reliable 12:08:30 <Bjarni> it was a comparison 12:08:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> do never trust a statistics that you did not forge yourself :p 12:08:46 <Bjarni> I guess it's like finding the highest dwarf 12:08:47 <Roest> a bad liar good liar comparison? 12:09:48 <Bjarni> usually the media has some sort of political agenda :s 12:10:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> NOOO, i refuse to believe that the "Bild" newspaper ever had political motives :p 12:10:49 <Bjarni> generally journalists are more in favour of EU and more in favour of the socialistic political parties than the population 12:12:03 <Bjarni> like the politicians who are against EU. They are excluded from the media and their press releases are ignored 12:12:27 <Bjarni> yet they write everything from pro EU politicians when it comes to EU issues 12:13:30 *** shodan [user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 12:13:59 <Bjarni> funny enough only DR broadcasted the result of that opinion poll :P 12:16:21 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CE7F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:18:23 *** UserError [~User@c-98-202-77-105.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:19:25 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause2: do you mean that Bild has a political agenda??? 12:19:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> NEVAR! 12:19:46 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@137.81.113.87] has joined #openttd 12:20:39 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.36.Static.ssp.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:21:27 <Bjarni> what's their agenda then? 12:21:30 <Bjarni> money? 12:21:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> Bjarni: especially end of the '60s and beginning of the '70s it was also called "Springersche Hetzpresse", because it used its massive influence to support the "establishment" 12:22:34 <Bjarni> sounds like the Danish media and EU 12:22:42 <Roest> lol 12:22:44 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@ACD1C88E.ipt.aol.com] has left #openttd [] 12:23:23 <Bjarni> they also had a strike at one time because some manager said that the journalists' articles were too influenced by their own anti USA views 12:23:59 <Bjarni> but it was clear when you read what they wrote that they went against USA at every single option to do so 12:24:10 <Bjarni> nomatter why they supported then 12:24:12 <Roest> most journalists are lefties, that's why media is so damn political correct 12:24:22 <Bjarni> against USA = they need our support 12:24:44 <Bjarni> sounds like what USA did though 12:24:57 <Bjarni> against USSR = USA's friends and let us support them 12:25:09 <Bjarni> that's why Taliban has US weapons 12:25:38 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:27:41 *** UserError [~User@c-98-202-77-105.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 12:33:34 <Roest> http://www.dilbert.com/fast/2003-02-04/ 12:38:30 <ln> http://www.pixelchile.com/content/view/179553/Fotos_de_la_Tormenta_Electrica_en_plena_Erupci_n_en_Pleno_Volc_n_de_Chait_n.html 12:39:35 <Bjarni> http://megagalerias.terra.cl/megagalerias/Abril2008/mg30734030508/mg33285030508/SCL200805021857JAMM%20367.jpg <-- wow they even have a closeup of the source of the smoke 12:39:36 <Bjarni> :P 12:40:12 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:40:15 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:40:24 <Gekz> www.assortedlink.com 12:44:00 *** UserErr0r [~User@c-98-202-77-105.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 12:47:28 *** User [~User@c-98-202-77-105.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 12:48:04 *** User is now known as Guest3479 12:51:19 *** UserError [~User@c-98-202-77-105.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:52:16 *** brian is now known as iambap 12:52:23 *** UserErr0r [~User@c-98-202-77-105.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:53:04 *** gfldex [~dex@dslb-088-075-225-197.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:03:20 *** UserError [~User@c-98-202-77-105.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 13:03:27 <Belugas> so... 13:04:16 <Roest> no 13:04:20 <ln> sÃ¥ 13:05:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> hinter Dir, ein dreiköpfiger Affe! 13:06:43 <Bjarni> :D 13:07:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> i knew that would draw you out :p 13:08:20 *** Guest3479 [~User@c-98-202-77-105.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:10:38 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12987 /trunk/src/ (25 files): -Codechange: split viewport and tile selection. 13:11:45 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: bjarni * r12988 /trunk/src/vehicle.cpp: -Fix [FS#1992](r12913): [autoreplace] failing to replace a road vehicle could free it's slot without the vehicle knowing it (leading to assert) 13:12:07 <ln> Bjarni: 13:12:13 <Bjarni> ln: 13:12:33 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B789A8.pool.t-online.hu] has left #openttd [] 13:12:37 <ln> i won't say anything, you need to figure it out. 13:13:08 <Belugas> promised??? truthfully?? 13:13:17 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 13:13:38 <Bjarni> it's nice of you to worship me 13:14:20 <Bjarni> but do remember that it's considered to to bring good fortune to donate gold to who you believe to be a god 13:14:23 <Gekz> Lakie: english only. 13:14:26 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B789A8.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 13:14:44 <Gekz> fark 13:14:48 <Gekz> ln: english only 13:14:55 <Rubidium> Gekz: english only :) 13:15:07 <Gekz> Rubidium: fark is english. 13:15:14 <Gekz> http://ninjawords.com/fark 13:15:20 <Bjarni> *English (if you try to write in English) 13:15:22 <ln> Gekz: an empty string is english. 13:15:44 <Belugas> god.... too good to be true :( 13:15:44 <Bjarni> ln: it can be but in your case it's presumed to be Finnish 13:15:58 <Rubidium> Gekz: then why does my 5 pound (lb) Oxford Dictionary not list it? 13:16:16 <Gekz> Rubidium: because your 5 pound dictionary is not a wiki! 13:16:18 <Gekz> lol 13:16:27 <Gekz> its a colloquialism 13:16:33 <Rubidium> yeah... and Elephants are thriving in Africa 13:16:44 <Gekz> and plus. you can say anything is english 13:16:47 <Gekz> theres no regulating body 13:16:54 <Bjarni> there is 13:17:03 <Bjarni> I think it's in London or Oxford 13:17:04 <Gekz> ... no 13:17:08 <Gekz> there isnt 13:17:16 <Bjarni> don't be too sure 13:17:27 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:17:30 <Gekz> I am. 13:17:37 <Gekz> no official language regulator 13:17:40 <Bjarni> I told you not to 13:17:51 <Gekz> Regulated by: no official regulation 13:17:55 <Bjarni> Brianetta: do you know the answer to that one? 13:18:13 <Brianetta> I think I missed the question 13:18:19 <Roest> answer anyway 13:18:23 <Gekz> ol 13:18:32 <Bjarni> <Gekz> theres no regulating body <-- regarding English words 13:18:45 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12989 /trunk/ (9 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: move ViewportSign to viewport_type.h. 13:18:50 <Brianetta> There is no regulating body. This isn't France. 13:18:50 <Bjarni> I'm pretty sure there are 13:19:06 <Gekz> Bjarni: told you., 13:19:13 <Gekz> Spanish has about 20 regulating bodies 13:19:17 <Gekz> which is kinda redundant 13:19:21 <Gekz> and slovene has one 13:19:27 <Gekz> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_regulation 13:19:34 <Brianetta> The Oxford English Dictionary follows the language as closely as it can, but nobody sets rules. OED is regarded as the best current reference, but it reflects, rather than defines, the current language. 13:19:38 <hylje> The redundant department of redundancy. 13:20:03 <Lakie> Generally the Oxford Dictionary is considered to be the English Language as Wiki's are modified regularly and often include slang which isn't proper English, Gekz. 13:20:06 <Gekz> Brianetta: thank you. 13:20:07 <Brianetta> Every major publishing house will have its own house rules for English. 13:20:08 <Bjarni> sounds like English is fucked 13:20:20 <Lakie> Similarlly a word can be added to a Wiki by any user on a Wiki. 13:20:23 <Gekz> Lakie: I know. 13:20:23 <Gekz> lol 13:20:26 <Lakie> :p 13:20:27 <Brianetta> Bjarni: Fastest-evolving language on the planet. 13:20:37 <Gekz> Bjarni: it is 13:20:41 <Rubidium> ah, so alkjsdhfljasdhfljkasdhfljaskhdflakjdshljksdahdflkjasdhfljkasdhl is English too *if* I get it into the Oxford Dictionary? 13:20:44 <Gekz> English will be dead in a few hundred years 13:20:45 <Brianetta> OED adds slang as soon as they believe it to be popular. 13:20:47 <Gekz> from abuse of teenagers 13:20:52 <Brianetta> "w00t" is in the OED. 13:20:52 <hylje> english will fork 13:20:59 <Gekz> haha 13:21:00 <Gekz> fork into what 13:21:05 <Gekz> its an inbred form of german and french 13:21:09 <Gekz> with latin and greek scientific words 13:21:18 <Bjarni> it already forked in US English 13:21:24 <Brianetta> English is Germanic. The Romance aspect is basically just vocabulary. 13:21:37 <Bjarni> yeah 13:21:44 <Gekz> Brianetta: thats what I meant 13:21:47 <Gekz> the core is German 13:21:49 <Gekz> ic 13:21:51 <Bjarni> no 13:21:58 <Brianetta> German/Scandinavian, yes. 13:22:09 <Bjarni> more like Scandinavian (the Scandinavian used more than 1000 years ago) 13:22:10 <Gekz> Germanic* 13:22:14 <Brianetta> Swedish is closer than High German 13:22:14 <Gekz> it carried on two lines 13:22:14 <Gekz> lol 13:22:42 <Bjarni> the currently used language that's closest to the original English is actually Icelandic 13:22:43 <Gekz> damn Normans 13:22:46 <Gekz> they need a spanking 13:22:46 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm114.epsilon123.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 13:22:55 <Gekz> damn Anglo-Saxons. 13:23:04 <Gekz> and their Anglo-Saxon language. 13:23:09 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 13:23:20 <Brianetta> Damn Celts, wiping out the Picts 13:23:24 * Lakie believes English was fine until other counties like America decide to start mutilating it. 13:23:24 <Gekz> lol 13:23:31 <Lakie> decided* 13:23:50 <Brianetta> Lakie: American English was deliberately differenced from English English 13:24:03 <Lakie> Supposedly to be simplier, I know. 13:24:09 <Gekz> what a fail. 13:24:17 <Brianetta> It was introduced by Webster, in order to set the North American language apart from the colonial powers 13:24:29 <Brianetta> Simplification was secondary 13:24:59 <Gekz> I quite like French 13:25:10 <Brianetta> I don't like French so much 13:25:19 <Gekz> I can barely speak it 13:25:21 <Brianetta> The Romance languages in general aren't my thing 13:25:23 <Gekz> too flowing lol 13:25:44 <Gekz> German is cool too 13:25:58 <Gekz> it could do with some simplification 13:26:14 <Brianetta> German totally rocks 13:26:23 <Bjarni> German totally sucks 13:26:30 <Roest> so could english, never know how to pronounce things 13:26:36 <Gekz> Roest: that's not what I meant 13:26:36 <Bjarni> oh we stopped the wordplay game :/ 13:26:40 <Gekz> that's noy simplification 13:26:43 <Gekz> not* 13:26:43 <Gekz> lol 13:26:56 <Gekz> thats a reform or overhaul >_> 13:29:18 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.36.Static.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 13:29:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> old english (derived from old saxon) had some very german grammar, it was simplified later when the anglo-saxon tribes met with the nordic tribes 13:30:56 *** thgerg1 [~Administr@dsl51B65D22.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 13:31:45 <Bjarni> I like how you can find old Danish placenames in England 13:31:58 <Bjarni> names that everybody considers English 13:32:05 <Bjarni> the same goes for words too 13:33:07 <Bjarni> names like York, Derby and Grimsby 13:33:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> dutch is probably closer to old saxon than english is 13:35:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> note that the people living in the modern state of saxony (Sachsen) do not have anything to do with the saxon tribes (who lived in the area called "lower saxony" (Niedersachsen)), the name shifted southwards, not the people 13:36:09 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B789A8.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:38:09 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12990 /trunk/src/unix.cpp: -Fix: silence the redundanct declaration warning when compiling with iconv. 13:41:49 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-129-192.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 13:43:32 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:44:57 *** WebAmmler [~WebAmmler@adsl-89-217-129-192.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 13:45:50 <Belugas> I'm wondering... 13:46:07 <Belugas> what if there is that noise airport stuff i've almost finished, 13:46:14 <Belugas> going in trunk as is, 13:46:22 *** WebAmmler [~WebAmmler@adsl-89-217-129-192.adslplus.ch] has quit [] 13:46:32 <peter1138> i'd say we need more airports! 13:46:36 <Belugas> or should airports be allowed to be more than 2 13:46:42 <Belugas> yeah we do :) 13:47:02 <Ammler> shared airports! :-) 13:47:08 <Belugas> right now, i only have an option yes/no 13:47:15 <Roest> how's that airport branch coming along? 13:47:16 <Belugas> Ammler, prrrt! 13:47:18 <Bjarni> but we shouldn't be allowed to build airports if we can't build any aircraft 13:47:25 <Belugas> alomost done, Roest 13:47:31 <Belugas> ho.. 13:47:33 <Belugas> branch 13:47:40 <Roest> i'm looking so forward to it 13:47:47 *** shodan [user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 13:47:49 <Belugas> not THAT airport stuff 13:47:57 <Belugas> MY airport stuff... 13:47:58 <peter1138> newgrf ports? 13:48:06 <Roest> blah 13:48:08 <peter1138> needs a rewrite :D 13:48:12 <Belugas> yeah 13:48:13 <Roest> double blah 13:48:45 <Belugas> Roest, do you feel like rewriting it? 13:48:50 <Belugas> i'm sure yio can 13:48:53 <Belugas> you 13:49:03 <Belugas> anyway... 13:49:17 <Roest> i just received a call, have to go 13:49:25 <Belugas> coward! 13:49:31 <Roest> hehe 13:49:44 <Belugas> options: as is ( 2 max per town), noise generation controled, as much as you want 13:49:44 <Bjarni> I get that once in a while 13:49:45 <Roest> anyway seriously, does it really need a rewrite? 13:50:04 <Bjarni> yeah 13:50:15 <Roest> why 13:50:26 <Bjarni> when you brainwash you need to start over and rewrite the brain so it fits the intended behaviour 13:50:42 <Belugas> there are some issues 13:50:51 <peter1138> everything big gets rewritten :) 13:50:54 <Belugas> the work is great, but it lacks a bit of a callback system 13:51:02 <peter1138> my version of engine pools started life in 2006 13:51:10 <Roest> i dont understand callbacks, so i'm not the right person to do it 13:51:23 <Belugas> coward!! 13:51:25 <Bjarni> but right now we call you back 13:51:28 <peter1138> that's the great thing about callbacks 13:51:32 <Belugas> they are not that hard to follow 13:51:33 <peter1138> you don't have to understand how they work 13:51:38 <Roest> lol 13:51:46 <peter1138> only what response you want 13:52:03 <Belugas> yo just 'call' them, sit 'back' and adjust afterward 13:52:13 <peter1138> GRF authors have to do the dirty work 13:52:19 <Belugas> yeah :) 13:53:12 <peter1138> this wasn't true when i was writing the current callback/sprite resolving stuff, of course 13:53:25 <peter1138> (that had a lot of rewrites too) 13:53:58 <Bjarni> and you blame me for rewriting parts of autoreplace once in a while :s 13:54:19 <peter1138> Bjarni: i rewrite them before they get anywhere near commiting 13:55:02 <Bjarni> the problem with autoreplace is that the core worked just fine 13:55:34 *** Yorick [~Yorick@82-171-194-232.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:55:37 <Bjarni> then people expected it to do all sorts of interesting stuff (some of it are good ideas) and the core wasn't designed to be extended 13:56:06 <Belugas> could it be that the core was not flexible enough to handle the options? 13:56:09 <Yorick> close FS#1976, #1990? 13:56:10 <Belugas> anyway... 13:56:24 <Bjarni> the options that were added to the game after I committed autoreplace 13:56:53 <Bjarni> but it doesn't matter 13:56:57 <Roest> umm what other interesting stuff does autoreplace do, besides autoreplacing things? 13:57:13 <Belugas> it's mostly a problem with grfs 13:57:29 <Yorick> replacing wagons was added after later, no? 13:57:37 <Yorick> adding & removing wagons 13:57:54 <Bjarni> it's autoreplace that presumes some stuff that's present for all the normal vehicles but not everything in all grf sets 13:58:01 <glx> replacing wagons is part of autoreplace core 13:58:07 <glx> as a wagon is an engine 13:58:12 <Roest> the bad thing about the forum ignore option is that you still see that person replied, so i got curious to see what it is and removed him fromthe list and it was again something stupid 13:58:19 *** Chicago_Rail_Authority [~somewhere@c-68-40-40-232.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 13:58:34 <Bjarni> I added the option to replace wagons later but it was mainly a GUI addition as the core treats them equally 13:58:35 <Chicago_Rail_Authority> Good morning/afternoon, all. 13:58:53 <Yorick> 2 already fixed bugs reported in 3 days 13:59:00 <Bjarni> :) 13:59:13 *** iambap [~chatzilla@ool-44c5e177.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.82 [Firefox 3.0b5/2008041515]] 13:59:21 <Bjarni> better than unknown bugs that people encounter and don't report 13:59:29 <Bjarni> and expect us to fix without telling us 13:59:47 <Roest> i even got a bug fixed yesterday i just told here and never reported 14:00:16 <Bjarni> but you informed us 14:00:47 <Bjarni> it's better than "now I had this problem for a month and are you just going to ignore it?"... "errr I never heard of this problem before" 14:00:59 <Yorick> wasn't it somewhere that you should check using a recent version? 14:01:00 <peter1138> i like the bugs that are 'well known' but never reported 14:01:02 <Roest> but then my patch on FS slowly decomposes 14:01:07 <peter1138> Ammler's good at them 14:01:38 <Yorick> I ususally have to post things on FS before they get committed 14:01:50 <Ammler> :-) 14:02:24 <Chicago_Rail_Authority> Is the blue-window pop-up detailing the "message from manufacturer" intended to be controlled by the "new vehicle" news setting? 14:02:25 <SmatZ> Roest: nice reply :) http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=688870#p688870 14:02:40 <Ammler> I thought, thats only missing features not bugs 14:02:45 <Yorick> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=37332 <-- and someone should kick him out of his dreak 14:03:05 <Yorick> Chicago_Rail_Authority, no, it isn't technically news 14:03:11 <Yorick> dream* 14:03:32 <Chicago_Rail_Authority> So there is currently no option to disable those messages, correct? 14:03:51 <Yorick> having an internal mediaplayer is patented, and wouldn't allow us to run openttd on any gaming-console 14:04:03 <Yorick> I don't think so, but making one wouldn't be that hard 14:04:07 <Roest> smatz i like people who register to just make such a post 14:04:30 * peter1138 dislikes the idea of an internal or external media player 14:04:39 <peter1138> we have game music playing, or... game music not playing 14:04:46 <Yorick> if (_patches.show_prototype_vehicle_offer) show_screen else act_as_if_pressed_no 14:04:53 <peter1138> other music == play with your normal player 14:05:25 <Yorick> peter1138, it's patented to have an internal media player capable of playing mp3 files running on a gaming-console 14:05:35 <Chicago_Rail_Authority> thx, Yorick -- was mostly just making sure I wasn't missing something 14:05:38 <Yorick> so other music == play with your own media player 14:06:52 <Yorick> some things are destined to be in openttd (like YAPP :p), but a winamp remote control isn't 14:07:02 <Belugas> "patented" ? 14:07:05 <Belugas> meaning what? 14:07:20 <SmatZ> everything is patented\ 14:07:30 <SmatZ> Belugas: someone has patented it 14:07:38 <Roest> http://uniquepeek.com/viewpage.php?page_id=1853 14:07:38 <Bjarni> hyperlinks are patented 14:07:40 <Yorick> american microsoft patented things 14:07:51 <Yorick> only in America ;) 14:08:12 <Belugas> ho... 14:08:14 <Belugas> right... 14:08:15 <Bjarni> at least some company claims to own such a patent and wants to send a bill to all companies using links on their homepages 14:08:18 <Belugas> copyrights on ideas 14:08:29 <Belugas> who cares... it's silly anyway 14:08:31 <Bjarni> nobody wants to pay and they aren't big enough to sue :P 14:08:34 <SmatZ> once I will patent stupidity 14:08:44 <Roest> too late SmatZ 14:08:44 <Bjarni> you can't 14:08:47 <Belugas> SmatZ, it's already patented 14:08:50 <Ammler> peter1138: not very helpful comment: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=688666#p688666 14:08:51 <SmatZ> :-D 14:08:51 <Belugas> look in forumes 14:08:54 <Belugas> forums 14:09:09 <Ammler> or didn't you mean me? 14:09:49 <peter1138> yes 14:09:58 <peter1138> why does knowing IDs help to mix sets? 14:10:13 <Bjarni> one company wants Apple to pay them for something in OSX 10.5 because they claim to have a patent on it. They also want OSX 10.5 removed from the marked and recalled from everybody who bought it 14:10:19 <Sacro> Bjarni! 14:10:38 <Yorick> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=37448 <-- he can commit it himself, right? 14:10:39 <Bjarni> the patent: the idea of filming a person and adding a computer generated background on that film 14:10:55 <Bjarni> Yorick: he can 14:11:28 <Ammler> ah, thats only a part of the table 14:11:33 <Bjarni> basically the patent says "the idea that we see every day on the news forecast on TV. We want to patent that if it's on a computer and not on TV" 14:11:43 <Belugas> but commiting something without consent of other devs is not really friendly, for major feratures anyway 14:11:59 <Ammler> for your patch, it is more important to know the basecosts changes 14:12:09 <peter1138> *cough* 'magic' bridges *cough* 14:12:25 <Belugas> Ammler, you're eluding the question 14:12:28 <Belugas> it's about IDs 14:12:48 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: glx * r12991 /trunk/src/ (fios.cpp newgrf_config.cpp): -Codechange: removed some unneeded includes 14:13:06 <Belugas> bridges? where? 14:13:16 <Chicago_Rail_Authority> ...sigh.... 14:13:28 <Ammler> Belugas: if you change the basecosts, you need to overwrite the the engines with new costs 14:13:53 <Belugas> IDs... IDs... IDs... 14:13:57 <Ammler> so you should know, which grf has which ID for creating a "balancer" grf 14:14:02 <Chicago_Rail_Authority> maybe you just have to look at the current bridges after eating 'magic' brownies? 14:14:39 <Ammler> or how would you solve that? 14:14:46 <Belugas> how come, Ammler? 14:14:57 <Belugas> it's the set that changes the cost 14:15:04 <Belugas> not the vehicle id 14:15:11 <Belugas> therefor, you don't need to know the ids 14:15:15 <peter1138> you could keep a different set of base costs for each grf file 14:15:37 <peter1138> but then no sets actually match prices anyway 14:15:40 <Ammler> but then the single cost goes wrong 14:15:46 <Ammler> exactly 14:15:54 * Brianetta wants shared railway trackses 14:16:07 <peter1138> yes, me too 14:16:15 * Roest shots down trackses 14:16:29 <peter1138> but what happens if your vehicle is on shared tracks whose owner goes bust? 14:16:39 <Roest> tracksed 14:16:42 <Yorick> the tracks stay 14:16:48 <Ammler> if you change basecosts from a set from 9 to 8, you have to double all single costs. 14:16:50 <Yorick> only the tracks where the vehicle is on 14:17:21 <Yorick> but, when another company gets the ID of the old one with the tracks still there, the tracks are owned by the new company 14:17:23 <Chicago_Rail_Authority> buy the owner out from bankruptcy? 14:20:47 <Yorick> the tram entry grayed out should be explained somewhere ingame, questions keep coming about it 14:22:35 <Ammler> peter1138: I breake my promise not to give feedback anymore already. ;-) But wasn't there a text shown in the vehicle details, where you have seen, from which GRF the vehicle was? 14:25:14 <peter1138> there was 14:25:21 <peter1138> but it was a hack 14:25:27 <peter1138> so it got left out 14:25:41 <Yorick> grfs could still add it, I think 14:26:28 <Yorick> but there should be some kind of variable that can determine if the dynamic grf separation patch setting is set to on 14:31:04 <Ammler> Yorick: there is 14:31:20 <Yorick> You'll ruin my theories! 14:31:30 <Ammler> :-) 14:31:42 <Ammler> that one for overwriting: http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action0GeneralVariables#GRF_ID_overrides_for_engines_11_ 14:31:53 <Ammler> and then there is a callback bit 14:33:10 <peter1138> overwriting != overriding :o 14:33:25 <Ammler> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=TTDPatchFlags (Bit 78) 14:33:36 <peter1138> and that isn't anything to do with callbacks 14:33:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> <Chicago_Rail_Authority> So there is currently no option to disable those messages, correct? <- just accept one and don't build it for a year, then they won't appear for a while :p 14:34:33 <Yorick> yes, but they have a story in them, and it makes me build it :( 14:35:13 <Ammler> peter1138: but it's what Yorick is looking for, I guess. 14:35:25 <Yorick> I'm not looking for anything 14:35:36 <Yorick> I'm just pointing out that there is a way for grfs to do it 14:36:28 <Yorick> FS#531: close the thing, as it's already there 14:36:36 <Chicago_Rail_Authority> Eddi|zuHause2, thanks. Was never a problem in the past, but am now getting bombarded with them in new games with lots of vehicle sets loaded. 14:38:13 <Yorick> FS#425, also implemented by conditional orders 14:38:41 <SmatZ> Belugas: I would rather go for Implemented... 14:39:03 <Belugas> my mouse had a hickup ;) 14:39:26 <Yorick> :D 14:39:40 * Yorick tries to add "please" to message 14:40:54 *** thgerg1 [~Administr@dsl51B65D22.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:42:48 <Belugas> Ayeaye Sir 14:43:03 * Yorick pets Belugas 14:43:23 <Belugas> let's say that's not exactly whati would like to do to you ;) 14:43:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> pat, not pet 14:44:00 * Yorick hides 14:47:44 <Sacro> sigh, darn nagios is confusing 14:48:02 *** shodan [user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 14:51:10 *** Yorick [~Yorick@82-171-194-232.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: *hides*] 14:59:31 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.36.Static.ssp.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:04:49 *** cjk [~cjk@sovereign.computergmbh.de] has joined #openttd 15:06:27 <cjk> I have funny idea for a test scenario 15:06:41 <cjk> a map that where you just need to lower one piece of land to kill all opponents :p 15:08:16 <Belugas> indeed... 15:08:19 <Belugas> very funny 15:09:16 <cjk> what kinda bugs me is that computer AI does not start immediately even if specified as "immediate" in the difficulty settings 15:10:32 <tokai|ni> maybe it just takes a while until it found a happy place to start from on the map:) 15:12:36 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm114.epsilon123.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [] 15:13:19 <cjk> there must be some heuristic 15:18:20 <Rubidium> AI's are spawned randomly 15:18:44 <Rubidium> so it could be that the first spawn "fails" because of the random 15:21:40 *** GoneWacko [GoneWacko@86-60-155-109-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 15:23:55 <cjk> sort of 15:24:01 <cjk> i just hit the fast forward button and they appeared within a year 15:26:28 <Sacro> right, can i be bothered to sort out nagios and/or bacula tonight... 15:34:16 <Belugas> both tonigh? big to swallow, is it? 15:34:31 <cjk> floodgates are open 15:35:35 <cjk> ha 15:35:38 <cjk> all the stations disappear :p 15:36:37 <cjk> what _really_ bugs me is that competitors do landscaping but seemingly don't pay for it 15:37:41 <peter1138> AIs do not pay for it, indeed 15:37:45 <Belugas> hey... they deserve some priviledges.... they have quite an handicap! 15:37:49 <peter1138> because they'd never be able to compete 15:38:59 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-129-192.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:39:23 <cjk> well I guess they'd flatten out all land again :-/ 15:39:38 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B788B5.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 15:41:49 * Belugas looks with anticipation for NoAI stuff 15:42:03 <Belugas> expectation? 15:44:01 <cjk> anticipating sth. 15:46:06 <Belugas> thanks 15:47:05 *** Roujin [HydraIRC@e023.tum.vpn.lrz-muenchen.de] has joined #openttd 15:47:23 <Celestar> oh Roujin is in Munich as well?? 15:47:36 <Roujin> yes 15:47:40 <Celestar> ;) 15:47:42 <Celestar> where? 15:47:48 <Celestar> Novogarchinsk? 15:48:06 <Roujin> at a table 15:48:30 <Roujin> in a hall 15:48:39 <Roujin> in a building 15:48:40 <Celestar> that's either FMI or MW 15:48:59 <Roujin> FMI :P 15:49:04 <Celestar> MW here 15:49:12 <Roujin> nice ^_^ 15:49:50 <Roujin> want to meet on a MW hotdog? :P 15:50:00 <Roujin> or something 15:50:23 <Celestar> maybe tomorrow, cuz I'm on me way out 15:50:43 <Celestar> don't you think the hotdogs suck? 15:51:05 <Roujin> i dunno, they kind of suck in a way they also rock :P 15:51:12 <Celestar> that's certain 15:51:16 <Roujin> like fast food or something 15:51:21 <Roest> yapp is cool http://b.imagehost.org/view/0722/Quigley_Co_23rd_Apr_1950.png 15:51:23 <Celestar> junk food. 15:51:27 <Celestar> everything here is junk food 15:51:35 <Roujin> you know it's actually utter crap, but nevertheless you can't stop eating it 15:51:40 <Celestar> except the IPP. that's expensive junk food 15:51:47 <Roujin> IPP? 15:51:53 <Celestar> Plasma PHysics 15:51:57 <cjk> internet printing protocol.. 15:52:14 <Belugas> a hot dog might suck, never ttried it... i know there should be leeches somewhere on it, and they do suck 15:52:22 <Belugas> just don't know waht to make out of it... 15:52:35 <Belugas> a sucking dog... 15:52:40 * Belugas shivers 15:54:21 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r12992 /trunk/src/toolbar_gui.cpp: -Fix (r12976): main toolbar wasn't marked dirty when a child combobox was destroyed 15:54:44 <Roujin> Celestar: what are you doing at MW? learning or teaching or .. doing science? 15:55:25 <Celestar> attempting the latter 15:55:45 <Roujin> so you're kind of an employee of the uni? 15:56:23 <Celestar> pretty much so 15:56:30 *** Jezral [~projectjj@users113.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 15:56:41 <Celestar> I'm rather a slave 15:56:41 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F108D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:57:03 <Roujin> heh 15:57:19 *** thgerg1 [~Administr@dsl51B789A8.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 15:59:05 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-129-192.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 15:59:19 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B788B5.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:00:31 <Belugas> note to self: a psas file is not a valid pas file 16:00:42 *** mikl [~mikl@adsl.peytz.dk] has quit [Quit: my Mac is sleeping...] 16:00:55 <Belugas> therefor, when you press Ctrl+s, be sure the Ctrl is really pressed 16:00:58 <cjk> note to self: pascal is outdated. 16:01:38 <Roujin> note to self: you have run out of notes 16:01:43 <Belugas> note to cjk : i'm not using what's hot becuase it's hot 16:01:52 <cjk> i never said you ought to use java 16:02:03 <Belugas> i'm using what i like, what i know and on what i work 16:02:35 <Belugas> and as long as it brings butter at home, its'; not outdated 16:02:45 <Belugas> and who cares if it's outdated anyway? 16:02:49 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users113.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:02:53 <Belugas> jsust those who are not using it 16:02:56 <Belugas> jealous! 16:03:17 <Rubidium> a COBOL programmer earns more money than a Java programmer 16:03:25 * Roest remembers using Pascal in 1988 16:03:35 <Belugas> tell that to the guys at TTDPatch : hey guys, ASM is so passe! 16:03:46 <Bjarni> I still have a Pascal compiler lying around 16:04:13 <cjk> so do I have basic compilers 16:04:17 <Bjarni> an IDE made only for Pascal 16:04:22 <Celestar> Rubidium: you know that the developer of COBOL offically apologized for the development of COBOL? 16:04:33 <Roest> so did the developers of c 16:04:57 <Celestar> that's a rumor :P 16:04:59 <Belugas> but it never happened to the developper of Pascal ;) 16:05:02 <Roujin> still no comment on http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1989 ? :( 16:05:49 <Belugas> does it need one? Why do you want random in there? 16:05:51 <Belugas> strange 16:05:52 <Brianetta> COBOL is a good language, for its purpose 16:06:16 <Belugas> my neighbour is programming in COBOL for banking stuff 16:06:20 <Belugas> lotsa money there 16:06:31 <Brianetta> I can code in COBOL 16:06:38 <Celestar> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=37489 <= LOL 16:07:12 <Rubidium> Roujin, as I said: do you want to kill YAPP with it? 16:07:49 <Bjarni> Celestar: I was about to reply to that one but I failed to find an answer that would fit 16:08:10 <Roest> i never noticed 16:08:11 <Bjarni> because I don't think "a normal" answer would do 16:09:02 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 16:09:41 <SmatZ> Celestar: Roujin had a nice reply, but Sharkie replied even better :-) http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=688888#p688888 (and notice that nice post number!) 16:09:52 <cjk> find post 666666 16:10:30 <SmatZ> cjk: it is not that hard.. http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=666666#p666666 16:11:55 <Roujin> I don't really get your point, Rubidium :/ 16:14:14 <Roest> don't kill yapp :( 16:14:39 <SmatZ> Rubidium: you can't actually know how much load the train will have, so other conditional jumps can't be predicted too long before, too 16:15:10 <Roujin> why do they have to be predicted anyways? oO 16:15:15 <SmatZ> eg. STR_ORDER_CONDITIONAL_LOAD_PERCENTAGE when a train is incoming a station... you don't know if it will be full when it tries to leave it 16:15:38 <SmatZ> Roujin: so there are no crashes when leaving a station maybe? I don't know 16:15:41 <Roujin> does yapp look forward the next x orders instead looking just at the current order? 16:15:44 <SmatZ> maybe I am missing something 16:16:25 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B789AF.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 16:16:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> whenever a train is leaving a station, yapp has to assign a new path anyway 16:16:46 <SmatZ> but I don't know YAPP very well... I haven't played with it actually... 16:16:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't think it will have any (more) trouble with a random jump 16:17:28 <Roujin> Belugas: well, maybe i want a shared group of trains distribute randomly over n pickup stations? 16:18:01 *** FlashFF [~nun@82-34-94-99.cable.ubr05.gill.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [] 16:18:25 <Roujin> by the way, has it been made impossible to create infinite loops with these jumps? 16:19:00 <Belugas> that's... 16:19:05 <Belugas> weird 16:19:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> that is impossible to find out 16:19:32 <Roujin> 1: go to bluntfingbury; 2: jump to order 1 if load percentage = 0; 3: jump to order 2 16:19:50 <Roujin> now imagine load percentage is not 0 after loading at bluntfingbury... 16:20:06 <SmatZ> Roujin: train changes its order every tick 16:20:09 <SmatZ> so it won't hang 16:20:18 <SmatZ> it just won't have any order 16:20:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> counterexample: 16:20:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> 1: go to bluntfingbury; 2: jump to order 1 if load percentage = 0; 3: jump to order 2 if load percentage = 0 16:20:37 <SmatZ> you could simply do "0: Jump to order 0" 16:20:37 <Roujin> SmatZ: i see 16:20:44 <Roujin> no 16:20:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> it won't ever be an infinite loop 16:20:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> but it is indistinguishible from the previous example 16:21:08 <Roujin> you can only apply an existing order as target of a new cond order jump 16:21:44 *** thgerg1 [~Administr@dsl51B789A8.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:22:07 <Roujin> and I haven't yet found a way to change the target order of a cond jump (so i assume there's no way to do it) 16:22:24 <SmatZ> Roujin: it is possible if you add and remove orders 16:22:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> action 6 for orders!! :p 16:22:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> change a value of the next order ;) 16:23:32 <Roujin> SmatZ: true.. 1: something; 2: jump to 1 -- then delete order 1 16:23:44 <Roujin> will probably result in 1: jump to 1 16:23:59 <SmatZ> Roujin: yes 16:24:15 <Roujin> I bow to your superiorness ^_^ 16:25:46 <SmatZ> :-D 16:26:19 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac85a91.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:27:48 <Roujin> okay, so regarding the "random" jump - if you think it would break yapp, forget it. I don't want to kill yapp, it was just an idea that came to my mind some time. But if it does not harm YAPP (anymore than other conditional orders) then I'd say why not have it? 16:30:20 <Sacro> actually, it'd be nice if YAPP could look at the next 2 stations 16:30:33 <Sacro> it'd make joint terminus/through stations more realistic 16:30:40 <Sacro> if you only have reverse at end of line 16:32:02 *** mynetdude|Away is now known as mynetdude 16:32:48 <SmatZ> Sacro: it is a bit problematic for terminus stations 16:33:35 <Sacro> SmatZ: is it? 16:33:44 <Sacro> i'd also like to choose between crossover, single and double slips 16:33:50 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:34:16 <SmatZ> Sacro: it would have to reserve path twice, also blocking all other trains 16:34:23 <SmatZ> you have entry the same as exit 16:34:30 <Sacro> SmatZ: it wouldn't have to *reserve* it 16:34:38 <Sacro> just check that it is a plausible route 16:35:30 <SmatZ> then it is not about YAPP, it is generally about pathfinders 16:37:02 <SmatZ> I think it won't be ever implemented 16:38:17 <Sacro> hmm 16:45:59 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@78-21-225-220.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:47:52 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499DD5C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 16:48:34 <Roest> hrmpf i hate it when i compile and then see i forgot to click 'finish' on the conflicts window 16:49:32 <DASPRiD> is there an easy way to upgrade normal rails to monorail (i mean, with the trains, upgrading the tracks itself is easy) 16:49:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> no. and there never will be 16:49:57 <Roest> there should be a wiki entry saying "there is no easy way" 16:50:26 <DASPRiD> thats kinda bad :/ 16:51:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> play a newgrf set, they mostly have no monorail at all, and maglev only for passengers, mail and valuables 16:51:45 *** Roest [~ralph@p54B9EEC1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:51:46 <Ammler> but there is a patch, iirc :-) 16:52:06 <DASPRiD> yerah someone wrote that in the forums 16:52:09 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.193.128] has joined #openttd 16:52:13 <DASPRiD> but i dislike non-native stuff ;) 16:53:02 <Roujin> I'm off for now, see you 16:53:09 *** Roujin [HydraIRC@e023.tum.vpn.lrz-muenchen.de] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- *I* use it, so it must be good!] 16:55:37 <Ammler> non-native? 16:55:53 <DASPRiD> stuff which comes without patching 16:57:19 <DASPRiD> other way around 16:57:24 <DASPRiD> stuff which only comes with patching 16:57:25 <DASPRiD> :) 16:59:24 <Ammler> well then, Eddi|zuHause2 is right :-) 16:59:26 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~Flex@89.246.204.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:59:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> of course i am right. 16:59:50 <DASPRiD> seems like, 17:00:09 <DASPRiD> aber was macht eddi allein zu haus? :P 17:00:16 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79ad5.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:01:27 <Belugas> ? 17:01:36 <DASPRiD> nevermind, was just a joke to eddi 17:01:46 <Belugas> suh sith abelt toottheee1 ashtish? 17:02:03 <DASPRiD> no 17:02:50 <Belugas> maudit colliss de cibouaire... j'lsavais don' 17:05:28 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 17:12:55 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 17:13:07 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 17:17:41 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:23:13 *** blathijs [~matthijs@katherina.student.ipv6.utwente.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:29:19 *** mikl_ [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 17:29:19 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:36:52 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r12993 /trunk/src/newgrf_config.cpp: -Fix (r11175): list used for sorting GRFs wasn't freed 17:40:16 <Belugas> nice... can't reme,ber why i wrote that :( 17:41:51 <dih> http://pub.dihedral.de/openttd/maerklin/ 17:43:34 <SmatZ> dih: nice, almost as OTTD :) 17:43:44 <dih> just way better :-D 17:43:57 <SmatZ> hehe 17:43:58 <dih> i love that set 17:44:01 <SmatZ> :) 17:45:10 <Rubidium> now let the trains run and see them magically turn completely around 17:46:11 <dih> ha 17:46:20 <dih> we only have like 7 locs 17:46:59 <DASPRiD> get more 17:46:59 <DASPRiD> ;) 17:47:00 <dih> but 106 straight pieces, 63 normal curves, 12 long curves, 21 switches, 4 signals 17:47:13 <dih> and i just got another 20 straights on ebay 17:47:31 <dih> the lovely thing is building, and seing how many locs you can run at the same time with no crash 17:47:55 <dih> i still have 6 switches to connect, the 4 switches, and overhead power :-) 17:48:12 <DASPRiD> oh, electric 17:48:16 <DASPRiD> why not maglev? 17:48:16 <DASPRiD> :p 17:48:30 * dih slpas DASPRiD 17:48:33 <DASPRiD> :( 17:48:47 <Rubidium> where are the presignals? 17:48:47 <dih> do not defile good old electric analog railway systems :-P 17:48:50 *** blathijs [~matthijs@katherina.student.ipv6.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 17:48:55 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac85a91.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 17:48:59 <dih> Rubidium: they cost about 40 euros 17:49:02 <dih> so there are none :-D 17:49:06 <DASPRiD> :> 17:49:15 <dih> expensive hobby 17:49:17 <Rubidium> then only one train will leave the depot 17:49:24 <DASPRiD> dih, you really need some ships there 17:49:27 <dih> :-D 17:49:28 <Rubidium> except when you push more trains on the track 17:49:33 <Rubidium> s/push/force/ 17:49:38 <Belugas> looks nice dih 17:49:52 <dih> the only nasty thing is wireing the entire system 17:49:53 <Belugas> too bad one cannot scroll the pictures 17:50:14 <dih> i used ethernet cables :-P 17:50:21 <dih> 8 wires per cable 17:50:28 <dih> each switch needs 2 wires + light 17:50:44 <dih> the 3way needs 4 wires + light 17:50:50 * DASPRiD replaces dih's electric tracks with monorail tracks 17:50:51 <dih> nasty! 17:50:53 * DASPRiD hides 17:51:00 <dih> you should RUN 17:51:18 <DASPRiD> run which command? 17:51:31 <dih> echo 1 > /dev/kmem 17:51:34 <dih> :-P 17:51:49 <DASPRiD> mv /home/dih/rails /dev/null 17:51:52 * DASPRiD runs 17:52:57 <dih> so you are one of those players who likes destroying other peoplwes construction? 17:53:31 <dih> *peoples 17:53:40 <DASPRiD> just in irc channel 17:53:43 <DASPRiD> +s 17:53:46 <dih> i dont believe you! 17:53:50 <Patrick`_> tbh, RoR runs faster when it's deleted 17:53:51 <DASPRiD> ! 17:53:52 <dih> you ware one of those evil ones 17:54:01 <DASPRiD> no u 17:54:08 <dih> yeah - right 17:54:12 <dih> i dont even play! 17:54:16 <DASPRiD> :> 17:54:33 <hylje> NO U!!!! 17:54:52 <DASPRiD> ln -s /dev/null /home/dih/rails 17:54:55 <DASPRiD> ^___^ 17:55:19 <dih> hey hylje 17:56:13 <dih> you dont make a bunch of sence there DASPRiD 17:56:29 <DASPRiD> i do :> 17:56:42 <dih> you dont 17:56:50 <dih> symlinking to a special file.... 17:56:56 <dih> no point in doing that! 17:57:00 <DASPRiD> everytime you build new tracks they will go straight to null :P 17:57:04 <DASPRiD> sure! :> 17:57:10 <dih> silly little kid! 17:57:32 <DASPRiD> yeah we linux users always stay young, old man :P 17:57:48 <dih> no - linux 'USERS' are users!! 17:57:52 <dih> and remain users :-) 17:58:05 <DASPRiD> that cant be right 17:58:13 <DASPRiD> because many linux users are developers ;) 17:58:31 <DASPRiD> at least most of them developed shellscripts yet ;) 17:59:27 <dih> they are not 'users' 17:59:43 <dih> and i believe i must correct you 17:59:55 <dih> in the mean time the number of simple 'users' has grown a bunch 18:01:15 <DASPRiD> yeah, gladly it did 18:01:20 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:01:23 <DASPRiD> and the number of windows users shrinked ;) 18:02:12 <dih> <- has lpi ^^ 18:02:32 <DASPRiD> lpi? 18:02:37 <DASPRiD> low priority IQ? 18:02:52 <dih> lpi.org 18:04:06 <DASPRiD> certifications are overrated 18:04:36 *** Chicago_Rail_Authority [~somewhere@c-68-40-40-232.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has left #openttd [] 18:06:13 <dih> they are not... 18:06:29 <dih> depend on the countries you visit 18:06:35 <dih> or companies 18:13:04 <dih> DASPRiD: dasprid.de <-- yours? 18:13:32 <dih> dasprids.de (sorry) 18:14:08 <DASPRiD> yes 18:14:21 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r12994 /trunk/src/toolbar_gui.cpp: -Fix (r12976): another case main toolbar wasn't marked dirty 18:14:23 <DASPRiD> afaik there's still just one DASPRiD ;) 18:15:03 <dih> development and tremradio links are broken 18:15:16 <DASPRiD> if you would have read the latest article ... 18:16:03 <dih> nope 18:16:17 <DASPRiD> that was no question :> 18:16:18 <dih> but zend framework is neat 18:16:25 <DASPRiD> yeah it is 18:17:12 <dih> you live in ka? 18:18:02 <DASPRiD> right, why? where do you live? 18:18:06 <Ammler> he, could someone try with current trunk to add a newgrf 18:18:11 <Ammler> before start 18:18:41 <Ammler> I have sec fault 18:18:55 <dih> <-- lives in KA 18:19:02 <DASPRiD> onoz o.0 18:19:07 <DASPRiD> (verdammt :D) 18:19:09 <Ammler> Kanada? 18:19:32 <DASPRiD> Karlsruhe 18:19:46 <Belugas> Kanada... pfffff 18:19:52 <dih> :-D 18:19:57 <Belugas> Kameron? 18:20:02 <DASPRiD> Canada is so low-tech, they don't even have trains 18:20:06 <DASPRiD> dih, where exacly? 18:20:07 <Sacro> The driver reached the rear of 18:20:07 <Sacro> the train around eight minutes after train 6L22 had stopped, heard escaping air and found 18:20:11 <Sacro> the drawhook broken and the rear locomotive, 66 084, gone. 18:20:23 <Belugas> liar!! 18:20:36 <dih> DASPRiD: thomashof 18:20:38 <dih> durlach 18:20:49 <DASPRiD> dih, ah, nice ;) 18:20:55 <dih> you? 18:21:00 <DASPRiD> you know europaplatz? 18:21:02 <Belugas> God Bless Yoou 18:21:12 <DASPRiD> 1 minute go-by-foot from there 18:21:18 <dih> he does - believe me Belugas, he does 18:21:24 <DASPRiD> hm, more 30 seconds ;) 18:21:32 <Belugas> ouch... 18:21:32 <dih> ha 18:21:34 <dih> nice 18:21:40 <Belugas> my big mouth... 18:21:59 <dih> stuffit 18:22:03 <dih> :-P 18:22:08 * dih hugs Belugas 18:22:22 <DASPRiD> dih, i guess the world is too small 18:22:38 <Ammler> yeah, bigger maps! 18:22:52 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79ad5.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:22:54 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 18:22:54 <Belugas> NEVAR! 18:22:59 <Ammler> :-P 18:23:00 <dih> Bjarni! 18:23:01 <dih> hey hey 18:23:13 <Bjarni> hello 18:23:17 <Ammler> heya 18:23:19 <DASPRiD> onoz, it's an op, run for your wife! 18:23:26 <dih> Bjarni: check this out -> http://pub.dihedral.de/openttd/maerklin/ 18:23:48 * dih loves maerklin 18:23:51 <Bjarni> DASPRiD: what's what supposed to mean? 18:23:57 * dih has noe umlaut keys... :-S 18:23:58 <Rubidium> Bjarni's one is bigger and better ;) 18:24:07 <DASPRiD> dih: liar! 18:24:07 <dih> it's bigger 18:24:29 <DASPRiD> by the way, how large whas your largest city in TTD yet? 18:24:30 <dih> Rubidium: would it fit into the roof of his house? 18:24:35 <DASPRiD> (population) 18:24:42 <Bjarni> dih: finally found something to use the attic for? 18:25:01 <dih> DASPRiD: i run around with english keyboards 18:25:09 <dih> much nicer for coding 18:25:21 <DASPRiD> dvorak is much nicer for coding 18:25:22 <dih> german keyboards suck when it comes to that 18:25:50 <dih> anyhow - i need to do some preperation for tomorrow 18:25:54 <dih> enjoy your evening ladies 18:25:55 <DASPRiD> german dvorak is perfect for coding 18:25:59 <DASPRiD> yeah, bye 18:26:00 <hylje> german 18:26:03 <DASPRiD> enjoy your maglev 18:26:26 * Rubidium wonders why he can't enjoy the evening 18:26:29 <cjk> US is best on german keyboards 18:26:42 <Ammler> what kind of error msg ist that? "Trace/breakpoint trap" 18:26:49 <cjk> SIGTRAP 18:26:56 <Ammler> oh 18:27:09 <Belugas> ho... a riddle!! 18:27:19 <Belugas> I don't know Ammler, can you give some hints? 18:27:35 <cjk> Ammler: together with "Alarm clock", used by a few obscure programs to do copy protection :p 18:27:39 <Ammler> I am trying to add a grf but it sec faults 18:29:27 <Belugas> it's better than a minute fault... 18:29:43 <Belugas> is it like a dry fault? 18:29:47 <Belugas> not my fault 18:30:10 <Ammler> I do not know the english sentence of that: UngÃŒltiger Maschinenbefehl 18:30:28 <cjk> Ammler: Illegal instruction (SIGILL) 18:30:34 <DASPRiD> Invalid machine command 18:30:38 <Ammler> but it's funny I have always something else 18:30:40 * cjk slaps DASPRiD 18:30:42 <DASPRiD> or that yah :D 18:30:52 * DASPRiD slaps cjk with a monorail 18:31:10 * cjk slaps DASPRiD with a monorail cat 18:31:21 * Ammler is checking now, since which revision, that happens.. 18:31:22 * Belugas slaps monorail with a DASPRiD 18:31:35 * DASPRiD slaps cjk with a crappy openSUSE distro 18:31:38 <cjk> Ammler: LANG=en_US bash -c 'kill -4 $$' 18:31:41 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r12995 /trunk/ (10 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: use std::vector for EngineList instead of C/C++ wrapper for CBlobT 18:32:02 <Ammler> cjk: already did :-) 18:32:04 <cjk> DASPRiD: since there are (currently) no crappy suse distros out there.. 18:32:17 <cjk> except the old ones 18:32:19 <Ammler> well not en_US, I use C 18:32:29 <dih> cjk: WRONG!!! 18:32:35 <DASPRiD> cjk, there are only crappy SUSE out there 18:32:39 <dih> :-P 18:32:45 <cjk> DASPRiD: yeah and ubuntu is that ÃŒbergreat piece of brown shit 18:32:46 * dih seconds that 18:32:49 <cjk> whatever 18:32:50 <DASPRiD> teamfight \o/ 18:33:03 * dih dances around the camp fire 18:33:37 <dih> ugada ugada ugada BU 18:33:48 <DASPRiD> cjk, dunno whats brown there, but well ;) 18:34:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> <Belugas> Kameron? <- it's spelled "Kamerun" 18:34:00 <dih> i dont think he means 'politically' 18:34:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> dih: you are lacking a switch-crossing i fear 18:34:25 <dih> no 18:34:31 <dih> i just had to repair it 18:34:40 <dih> it was in my room when i took the pics 18:35:26 *** jp [~Miranda@dslb-088-066-062-203.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:35:38 *** jp [~Miranda@dslb-088-066-062-203.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [] 18:35:59 <dih> short stay 18:37:18 *** mikl_ [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl_] 18:37:44 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-155-167.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 18:38:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> one day i will build a proper railway model myself 18:39:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have a few old Piko engines and wagons 18:42:22 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064179.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:42:46 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac85a91.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 18:43:33 *** cjk [~cjk@sovereign.computergmbh.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:51:35 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl7-191-86.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 18:52:54 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064179.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:53:40 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5720D.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:03:17 <Bjarni> dih: I wonder about one thing. What kind of track layout is that? 19:03:25 <Bjarni> where is the switching yard? :) 19:04:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> http://users.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/HPIM0128.JPG 19:04:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> http://users.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/HPIM0129.JPG 19:04:41 <SmatZ> nice 19:04:58 <Bjarni> err... two green semaphores leading to the same track? 19:05:20 <Bjarni> looks like a major failure of a security system 19:05:22 <Bjarni> :P 19:05:40 <hylje> thats no lego track 19:06:11 <Bjarni> I noticed that too 19:06:16 <Bjarni> and it's not real either 19:06:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> the bricks are not lego either ;) 19:06:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> the signals are not real 19:07:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> the switch position is what actually matters 19:08:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> problem is the tracks are very old, so they conduct really bad at some places 19:08:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> so occasionally they stop in the middle of the track 19:12:00 <hylje> build catenary 19:12:01 <Ammler> ok, sec fault is since r12975 19:12:21 <Digitalfox> I want to encode some DVD's episodes, any recommendation for a good software to extract the episodes and encode them to h264 and mp3? 19:12:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, the electric engines can run with catenary, but the diesel engines cannot :p 19:12:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> Digitalfox: i use avidemux 19:14:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> http://users.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/platte2.jpg <- this is my dream ;) 19:14:06 *** Nite_Owl [~chatzilla@c-76-109-57-6.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:14:06 <Digitalfox> Eddi|zuHause2 it's giving a problem, the DVD image is 16:9 and avidemux encodes it and shows it at 4:3 :( 19:14:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> Digitalfox: problem is that the video is 720x576 [PAL] 19:15:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> you either have to set an aspect ratio (which not all players, especially under windows, will respect) 19:15:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> or resize the video 19:15:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> e.g. to 1024x576 19:15:34 <Digitalfox> Eddi|zuHause2 yes that's the resolution, but can't it just be encode with resolution? 19:15:40 <Digitalfox> *that 19:16:14 <Bjarni> <hylje> build catenary <-- if you use catenary you will still get power from the tracks 19:16:27 <Bjarni> you see the catenary only contains one pole 19:16:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> Digitalfox: you can configure to use an aspect ratio 19:16:38 <Bjarni> the tracks will still give you the other one 19:16:44 <Bjarni> just like in real life 19:17:20 <Bjarni> in real life the tracks are a ground connector for safety reasons but that's besides the point here ;) 19:18:43 *** nicfer [~chatzilla@168.226.104.52] has joined #openttd 19:19:53 *** Nite_Owl [~chatzilla@c-76-109-57-6.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.82 [Firefox 2.0.0.14/2008040413]] 19:22:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> Bjarni: but then you have two rails for connection, so you have redundancy 19:22:42 <Bjarni> that depends 19:22:56 <Bjarni> you can have only one track for power 19:23:14 <Bjarni> and then if there is power on the other track you know that there is a train in the section in question 19:23:34 <Bjarni> and then you use isolations once in a while on the unpowered track 19:25:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> still that does not solve the issue with the diesel engines 19:26:06 <Ammler> has someone here a ottd version >r12975 ? 19:26:22 <Ammler> >=r12975 19:27:13 <Sacro> oh fock 19:32:47 <peter1138> sacro? 19:32:56 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 19:33:14 <Sacro> peter1138: simsig going scary 19:34:07 <peter1138> ohh 19:34:15 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac85a91.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 19:37:22 <Alberth> Ammler: yes, r12995 19:37:37 <Ammler> Alberth: try to add a grf 19:38:40 <Alberth> Ammler: done 19:38:56 <Alberth> Should I start playing ? 19:38:57 <Ammler> works? 19:39:02 <Ammler> hmm 19:39:06 <Alberth> from title screen, yes 19:39:11 <Ammler> :-) 19:39:17 <Ammler> How to delete a FS post? 19:41:33 <Belugas> it will stay forever there, as a sign of noob's behaviour! 19:41:57 <hylje> heh, duckburg has an abandoned steam-loco subway 19:42:15 <Ammler> SmatZ: but Alberth's client doesn't 19:43:01 <Ammler> Alberth: which OS do you have? 19:43:10 <Alberth> Linux 19:43:32 <Ammler> me too, and it secfaults also on winxp 19:43:58 <SmatZ> strange, I didn't notice it before 19:44:02 <Bjarni> Alberth: what distro? 19:44:03 <Belugas> it does not for me 19:44:06 <Bjarni> the XP one? 19:44:08 <Belugas> which grf are you adding? 19:44:09 <Bjarni> :p 19:44:15 <Ammler> Belugas: doesn't matter 19:44:21 <Ammler> I just clicked on one 19:44:23 <SmatZ> crashes for me, too 19:44:25 <Belugas> yes, it must, since it did not crashon me 19:44:39 <Alberth> Fedora-something (8 I think), but I always build from trunk 19:44:58 <Bjarni> <hylje> heh, duckburg has an abandoned steam-loco subway <-- I know... but where did you find this info? 19:46:16 <Ammler> hehe, SmatZ did you doubleclick? 19:46:25 <Ammler> and Alberth didn't? 19:46:27 <SmatZ> Ammler: yes! 19:46:29 <Alberth> nope 19:46:34 <SmatZ> doubleclick! 19:46:35 <Belugas> added industrial station renewal and transrapid track. did not crashed 19:46:44 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 19:46:48 <SmatZ> you solved it :) 19:46:48 <Ammler> omg, why didn't I try that :-) 19:46:52 *** Gedemon [~Gedemon@mar92-5-82-226-127-245.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 19:46:57 <Alberth> yes, boem! 19:46:59 <Ammler> thanks Gedemon 19:47:05 <SmatZ> Ammler: can you add comment? 19:47:06 <Gedemon> evening 19:47:10 <SmatZ> about doubleclick :) 19:47:15 <SmatZ> hello Gedemon 19:47:21 <Belugas> indeed... double clicking... 19:47:26 <Belugas> bah... 19:47:31 *** niche [~WinNT@p4FD47907.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:47:41 <SmatZ> heeh 19:48:10 <Alberth> stack trace at http://paste.openttd.org/6016 19:48:20 <hylje> Bjarni: http://disneycomics.free.fr/Ducks/Rosa/little/17.html 19:48:54 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac85a91.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 19:50:04 <Ammler> it must be something with 12975, it works with 12974 19:51:06 <glx> Ammler: seGfault, not seCfault ;) 19:51:34 <Ammler> oh, thank you, well, I had to write so much :-) 19:51:48 <Alberth> maybe initialization of e.we.click.widget? 19:52:54 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 19:53:52 <Alberth> condition line 147 may be false 19:56:23 <Ammler> I would prefer that windows doesn't close anyway 19:56:30 <Ammler> -s 19:58:20 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host193-232-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:59:01 <Wolf01> hello 19:59:38 <Ammler> maybe another ctrl feature? 20:00:11 <Ammler> if you hold ctrl, while doubleclick, don't close the grflist 20:00:46 <Wolf01> multiselect then add, like in all other list UIs 20:01:01 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.193.128] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:01:11 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.193.128] has joined #openttd 20:02:12 <Ammler> I guess, my proposal would be easier to implement :-) 20:03:44 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499E00C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:03:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> man... i found a file "ttdpt18.zip" 20:05:21 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl7-191-86.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:10:29 <Belugas> and why not ctrl + click, adding without closing? 20:11:01 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: glx * r12996 /trunk/projects/openttd_vs90.vcproj.user: -Fix: debugging was not possible with MSVC 2008 20:18:36 <Ammler> Belugas: you mean wihtout doubleclick? 20:18:47 <Ammler> that would be fine too, of course. 20:18:57 <Belugas> yeah 20:19:14 <Belugas> double click can jsut be kept as it is right now 20:20:50 <Wolf01> I would like to reduce ctrl use, handheld devices doesn't have it, and my keyboard too if I continue to play with that key 20:21:04 <Ammler> lol 20:21:58 <Tefad> what do the shoulder buttons do in psp? 20:22:03 <Ammler> its not that you need ctrl, it only helps in some points 20:22:20 <Wolf01> there is no official psp port, I don't count it :D 20:22:46 <Wolf01> but I would like to have it official too 20:22:53 *** Roest [~ralph@p54B9EEC1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:23:57 <Ammler> that seems to be official, isn't? http://openttd.pc-workshop.da.ru/ 20:23:57 *** Gedemon [~Gedemon@mar92-5-82-226-127-245.fbx.proxad.net] has left #openttd [] 20:24:38 <Ammler> That page is at least linked from here: http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Portable_device_version 20:25:04 <Patrick`_> no, it's not official 20:25:43 <Belugas> indeed not 20:25:57 <Belugas> it's not from OpenTTD Dev team 20:26:12 <Sacro> Bjarni! 20:26:22 <Roest> Sacro! 20:26:48 <Roest> do you ever say anything else than just Bjarni! ? 20:27:21 <Wolf01> yes, sex 20:28:44 <Sacro> mmm sex 20:28:57 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:29:37 <Roest> ack i accidently put that annoying twerp on my friends list instead of the ignore list 20:30:13 <Sacro> who me? 20:30:19 <Roest> nah 20:30:25 <Roest> someone else 20:33:12 *** dR3x4cK2313 [~Miranda@p5499C25D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:37:20 <Ammler> [22:25] <Patrick`_> no, it's not official <-- then is no portable build "official" 20:37:46 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499E00C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:39:58 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:41:43 <peter1138> if it was official 20:41:47 <peter1138> it would not be on a .ru domain :p 20:42:54 *** Gedemon [~Gedemon@mar92-5-82-226-127-245.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 20:45:05 *** Gedemon [~Gedemon@mar92-5-82-226-127-245.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:50:54 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:52:08 *** Gedemon [~Gedemon@mar92-5-82-226-127-245.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 20:55:03 <Ammler> yeah, I didn't mean from the official like from the official devs, I meant built from official sources. 20:56:15 <glx> I don't trust other builds except official ones (ie made by me) 20:58:42 <Ammler> compiling takes too long, sometimes, I am happy to just download a binary. :-) 20:59:01 <blathijs> Do we have any contact with that guy? Is he contributing code back to make the port official? 20:59:48 <Belugas> nope. nor does he send back a portion of donations he might receive 20:59:59 <Belugas> as far as i am concerned, anyway 21:00:57 <Ammler> it's a sf repo available: http://sourceforge.net/projects/openttd-psp/ 21:01:28 <ln> what a waste of time it would be to send back patches. 21:02:01 <blathijs> Belugas: I don't really think openttd is in need of lots more donations, really 21:02:13 <Belugas> heheh 21:02:18 <Belugas> nope in deed 21:02:25 <Ammler> but no sources, or I am just not finding it 21:02:32 <Belugas> yes, there are sources 21:02:38 <blathijs> ln: I live in this utopia where any single codebase can compile for any device 21:02:42 <blathijs> ln: At least in my head :-) 21:02:56 <Belugas> http://downloads.sourceforge.net/openttd-psp/openttd-0.5.3-PSP-source.tar.bz2?modtime=1200551555&big_mirror=0 21:02:59 <Belugas> there 21:03:13 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@78-21-225-220.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:03:17 <Belugas> problem: it's 0.5.3 21:03:27 <Belugas> there ahas been QUITE a lot of changes since then... 21:03:27 <Ammler> ah, I thought, its a svn repo 21:03:42 <Belugas> you mean you have not looked at it??? 21:03:44 <ln> blathijs: I'd like to live there too... but seriously, how many devs would volunteer to commit relatively big patches that they cannot test themselves? 21:04:08 <Belugas> a lot, ln... not toroughly tested anyway... 21:04:19 <blathijs> Yeah, releasing the sources is a good thing (requirement really), but a contributing dev would be even nicer 21:04:34 <blathijs> ln: Dunno, it's a nasty area 21:04:51 <blathijs> ln: If stuff is nicely ifdef'd away, you could come quite some way 21:05:07 <Roest> first mistake is using slowforge 21:05:09 <Rubidium> in the long run that PSP port will only be the port part as the rest of the support for portable devices is already in trunk 21:05:14 <blathijs> ln: Would be better if the guy managed to do some real, testable work on other stuff so we could make him a dev :-) 21:07:48 <Rubidium> blathijs: we already have someone that did that for a port, but he doesn't want to be dev 21:08:56 <Wolf01> 'night 21:09:04 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host193-232-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:11:05 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12997 /branches/noai/ (450 files in 24 dirs): [NoAI] -Sync: with trunk r12895:12996. 21:14:32 *** niche [~WinNT@p4FD47907.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: 0o] 21:22:27 *** Chicago_Rail_Authority [~somewhere@c-68-40-40-232.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:22:49 *** Roest [~ralph@p54B9EEC1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:27:16 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac85a91.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 21:29:05 *** pb [~PB@89.165.184.60] has joined #openttd 21:30:30 * blathijs is off to bed 21:30:46 <Rubidium> night blathijs 21:38:02 *** mynetdude is now known as mynetdude|Away 21:41:31 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.65.133] has joined #openttd 21:41:52 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: :w] 21:41:55 *** Slowpoke [~Lobster@dslb-088-073-198-196.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:42:39 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12998 /trunk/config.lib: -Fix: -Wredundant_decls sees "friend" declarations as redundant declarations in GCC 2.95, so only use if for GCC >= 3. 21:43:42 *** lolEee [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 21:45:42 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12999 /trunk/src/window.cpp: -Fix [FS#1995]: when a Window got deleted on a double click event, we should not send a click event to the now non-existant Window as that causes segfaults. 21:51:25 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: glx * r13000 /trunk/src/fios.cpp: -Fix (r12991): broken win9x compilation 21:52:42 *** pb [~PB@89.165.184.60] has left #openttd [] 21:56:08 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B789AF.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:58:44 *** nfc [nfc@dsl-hkibrasgw2-fe4dde00-190.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:58:47 *** Chicago_Rail_Authority [~somewhere@c-68-40-40-232.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has left #openttd [] 22:00:17 *** GoneWacko [GoneWacko@86-60-155-109-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has quit [Quit: You will never be the man your mother was!] 22:08:34 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: bjarni * r13001 /trunk/src/autoreplace_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#1994](r12913): [autoreplace] we should stop working on vehicles right away if we fail to replace them and certainly not presume their data is valid 22:27:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> r13000 and nobody cares... 22:28:06 <Sacro> tis unlucky 22:29:17 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|bnc 22:32:06 *** Xeryus|bnc is now known as XeryusTC 22:40:59 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064179.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:51:50 *** dR3x4cK2313 [~Miranda@p5499C25D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK2313] 22:54:19 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 22:54:28 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:57:31 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:57:31 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 22:59:37 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:00:34 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: bjarni * r13002 /trunk/src/autoreplace_cmd.cpp: 23:00:34 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Fix (r13001): [autoreplace] previous fix broke updating of a pointer to the front vehicle in certain cases 23:00:34 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: Now it's updated when it's the front vehicle and it's every time it's the front vehicle and only if it's the front vehicle (nomatter if the replacement works or not) 23:02:18 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79ad5.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:03:37 <glx> michi_cc: can you confirm http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1997 ? 23:06:07 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl7-191-86.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 23:07:28 <Digitalfox> Any opinions on the new grf editor? http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=90588 23:10:28 <Lakie> How's it edit them? 23:12:38 <orudge> Digitalfox: got a link to the post, instead of the file? 23:12:57 <Lakie> In my opinion laying it out as property number and then value may be a little confusing for people not familar with nfo. 23:13:18 <Digitalfox> yeah, i did confused =0 23:13:23 <Digitalfox> *get 23:13:54 <Digitalfox> orudge sorry about that http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=4381&start=40&st=0&sk=t&sd=a 23:14:56 <Digitalfox> By the way it's not my work so don't ask me stuff about it ;) 23:16:13 <Lakie> glx, compiling with /Wp64 does indeed throw up 99 warning messages. 23:16:58 <glx> did this started recently? 23:17:20 <Lakie> I don't usually compile with that flag, so I wouldn't know, sorry. 23:21:52 <Lakie> Don't get an error though 23:21:56 <Lakie> ¬_¬ 23:22:22 <Lakie> Maybe ask him to privode the full list of flags he's compiling with, glx? 23:22:39 <glx> I can't test 64bits here anyway 23:22:54 <glx> I have only 32bit windows 23:23:24 <Lakie> Tell me which flags to set and I can? 23:23:37 <Lakie> I only know of the /Wp64 but I bet there is another few/. 23:25:38 <glx> there is a platform selection dropdown in msvc 23:26:10 <Lakie> Ok, I'll do that now. 23:27:10 <glx> anyway I think I know how to fix most of them :) 23:27:33 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:28:57 <Lakie> Refuses to compile or do anything with openttd if I change it to x64. 23:29:15 <Lakie> ¬_¬ 23:29:15 <glx> same here 23:29:29 <Lakie> Which is odd as I have Vista x64... 23:29:50 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CE7F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:30:09 <glx> that's MS ;) 23:30:25 <Lakie> Heh, true 23:32:14 *** Ridayah_ [~ridayah@137.81.113.87] has joined #openttd 23:32:32 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@137.81.113.87] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:32:39 *** Ridayah_ is now known as Ridayah 23:36:34 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: The ending changes tone & is actually quite sad - but it involves a scene of necrophilia, so that's just another plus in my book.....] 23:38:06 *** Zealotus [~Nemesis@217-211-211-179-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:38:26 *** Zealotus [~Nemesis@217-211-211-179-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 23:39:12 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F108D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"] 23:44:58 *** Zealotus [~Nemesis@217-211-211-179-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:45:15 *** Zealotus [~Ping@217-211-211-179-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd