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00:04:37 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-110-195.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 00:16:34 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: http://www.interplay.com/] 00:17:18 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has quit [Quit: ecke] 00:22:33 <blaab> http://pastebin.com/m3aa112d i dont get it... 00:24:08 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r13366 /trunk/src/subsidy_gui.cpp: -Fix: clicking in the Subsidies window was broken 00:34:01 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has joined #openttd 00:34:18 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B76BD8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:35:41 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-98-223-83-70.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:35:41 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1054 00:35:41 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 00:40:41 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77E4C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:42:39 *** Guest1054 [~Dale@c-98-223-83-70.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:47:43 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Night All.] 00:49:01 *** eemeli [~yea@cs181022145.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 00:49:15 <eemeli> howdy 00:49:27 <eemeli> anyone awake 00:49:52 <SmatZ> hello 00:50:38 <eemeli> anyone have any ideas on how to optimize my stations exit? 00:50:50 <eemeli> jpg or didnt happen-> http://koti.mbnet.fi/nuntius/yea/openttd.png 00:51:12 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-98-223-83-70.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:51:12 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1056 00:51:12 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 00:51:47 <SmatZ> eemeli: you have too long signal block and you are using 2x45deg turns 00:52:58 <eemeli> 2x45? 00:53:13 <eemeli> can you elaborate 00:53:59 <SmatZ> too steep curves 00:54:00 <Sacro> 90 00:54:24 <SmatZ> most problematic if you use realistic acceleration 00:54:57 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-215-142.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:55:30 <eemeli> i've tried to avoid any 90 degree curves 00:55:37 <eemeli> and i dont think i have any at that station O_o 00:56:56 <SmatZ> they are too steep anyway 00:57:04 <eemeli> D: 00:57:24 *** Guest1056 [~Dale@c-98-223-83-70.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:00:36 *** egladil [~egladil@83.233.80.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:02:54 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-83-70.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:08:23 *** lagann [~terminal@c-66-30-110-51.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:10:58 *** lagann [~terminal@c-66-30-110-51.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:12:37 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:13:52 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 01:37:21 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:37:25 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 02:11:16 <Belugas> i wonder what is wrong with ingame-screenshot utility 02:12:24 <glx> it's too easy :) 02:13:42 <Belugas> hehe 02:13:57 <Belugas> yeah, something like that :) 02:20:50 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: belugas * r13367 /trunk/src/ (industry_cmd.cpp map.cpp map_func.h town_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: Allow CircularTileSearch function to return the tile where search has been successful, or INVALID_TILE if it has not 02:39:57 *** bpZero [~opera@watertownDHCP-94.216-254-228.iw.net] has joined #openttd 02:40:09 <bpZero> is it possible to stop the ships from sailing through each other 02:40:10 <bpZero> ? 02:43:48 <Belugas> nope 02:44:04 <Belugas> there are no collision check been performed 02:44:50 <bpZero> alright 02:44:51 <bpZero> thanks 02:45:12 <bpZero> will there ever be? 02:45:53 <Belugas> truely, i really doubt it 02:46:03 <bpZero> hmm 02:46:07 <bpZero> what is the reason? 02:46:33 <Belugas> many :) how much of a crawl ou woiuld like the game to be? 02:46:45 <bpZero> ic 02:46:52 <Belugas> may i turn it the other way around? why would you like that? 02:46:52 <bpZero> so it slows things down too much 02:47:29 <Belugas> yes indeed. already, ships are (pathfinding related) a reason of slowlyness 02:48:08 <bpZero> well soon everyone will have 256 cores at 6Ghz and then maybe the ships will solidify 02:48:41 <bpZero> anyway, the only fun is trains in ttd 02:49:01 <bpZero> and some buses/trams to transfer at your tran station 02:49:18 <bpZero> but it's good :) 02:50:17 <bpZero> .. does openttd use multiple cores/cpus at all? 02:50:38 <Belugas> you see, i would not count on the "soon" cpu stuff ;) and even with a million cpus, OpenTTD will not gain anything, since it is a mono-threaded game, essentially ;) 02:50:58 <bpZero> ah ic, question answered 02:51:02 <Belugas> ho... seems i answered a question not even asked when i started typing :D 02:51:10 <bpZero> yeah 02:55:04 <bpZero> so what is the future of openttd? 02:55:21 <bpZero> stations in tunnels would be nice 02:55:36 *** Zorni [zorn@e177235180.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 02:55:44 <glx> tunnels are not real 02:55:51 <Belugas> the future is ahead on every commits! 02:56:08 <glx> bridges are not real either ;) 02:56:17 <Belugas> and stations in tunnels even less real :D 02:56:30 <bpZero> well how do the trains cross the river then? 02:56:33 *** eemeli [~yea@cs181022145.pp.htv.fi] has left #openttd [] 02:57:13 <glx> bridges are like tunnels (black holes) with some extension so you can see them 02:57:20 <Belugas> what glx means is that in OpenTTD, the bridges are, technically, not really there. 02:57:31 <bpZero> yeah, i think i understand 02:57:40 <bpZero> only the end exist in the map 02:57:44 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-120-111-117.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 02:57:45 <Belugas> yup 02:57:53 <Belugas> the rest is just not there 02:58:02 <glx> yes, that's why you can build almost anything under them 02:58:26 <Belugas> for now. 02:58:37 <Belugas> who knows what can be done in the future... 02:59:09 <glx> and that's why you can't have signals on them 02:59:23 <Belugas> yup 02:59:37 <Belugas> anbd that is why bridges nor tunels cannot bend either 02:59:52 <bpZero> ever think of putting signals on the bridge/tunnel heads? 03:00:12 <glx> there is/was a branch about that 03:01:05 <bpZero> well that would be good useful 03:01:21 * Sacro will start up a new patch tommorow 03:01:26 <Sacro> it will be phenominal 03:01:34 <glx> daylength again? 03:01:42 <Sacro> glx: err... no 03:02:15 <Belugas> putting signals on head/end would not be the proper solution, bpZero. It's merely a plaster on a broken leg, if you see waht i mean 03:02:41 *** Zorn [zorn@e177237017.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:02:44 <Belugas> Sacro, all my wish of success ;) 03:02:55 <bpZero> well it would give you one more tile 03:02:57 <bpZero> or 2 03:03:00 <bpZero> off the long block 03:03:08 <bpZero> that is something ;) 03:06:28 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: belugas * r13368 /trunk/src/ (newgrf.cpp table/town_land.h town.h town_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: give house's min/max_date a better name, as it is really year, not date 03:07:22 <Belugas> not really worth the effort, bpZero. TOo much to change just for 2 miserable tiles 03:07:29 <bpZero> so.. how long until version 1.0? 03:07:38 <bpZero> alrigt then 03:07:54 <glx> usual answer: when it's done 03:07:58 <Belugas> dunno about 1.0. maybe there will not be one :) 03:08:07 <Belugas> maybe we'll just go to 0.10 :D 03:08:14 <bpZero> heh, yeah, joke question 03:08:21 <glx> or 0.99.0 03:08:34 <Belugas> hehe 03:08:34 <bpZero> you should just drop the leading 0. 03:08:46 <Belugas> but but but... 03:08:51 <Belugas> we like that zero! 03:09:03 <bpZero> heh, every revision is minor? 03:09:16 <Belugas> ho far from it... 03:09:56 <Belugas> apart when going from 0.x.y to 0.x.y+1, of course 03:10:01 <Belugas> those are bug fixes 03:10:10 <bpZero> OpenTTD: belugas * r13368 /trunk/src/ ... 13368 03:10:20 <bpZero> should just use that version number ;) 03:10:28 <Belugas> naaa... 03:10:28 <glx> it's already used 03:10:39 <glx> trunk is 0.7.0.13368 now 03:11:42 <bpZero> 2 more for leet-o 03:11:46 <Sacro> 0.6.9 surely? 03:12:02 <Sacro> oh well, sleepytimes 03:12:04 * glx slaps Sacro 03:12:11 <Sacro> ouch# 03:12:54 <Sacro> i'm going to bed 03:12:57 * Sacro storms off 03:13:03 * Sacro takes his patch plans with him 03:23:29 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:29:49 *** Zylithi [~Zylithi@67.193.154.151] has joined #openttd 03:31:23 *** Zylithi_1 [~Zylithi@67.193.154.151] has joined #openttd 03:31:48 *** Zylithi is now known as Guest1072 03:31:48 *** Zylithi_1 is now known as Zylithi 03:32:36 *** Zylithi [~Zylithi@67.193.154.151] has quit [] 03:32:36 *** Guest1072 [~Zylithi@67.193.154.151] has quit [] 03:32:50 *** Zylithi [~Zylithi@67.193.154.151] has joined #openttd 04:09:14 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-58-165-98-32.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 04:50:32 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:05:55 *** Osai^zZz is now known as Osai 05:25:10 *** bpZero [~opera@watertownDHCP-94.216-254-228.iw.net] has left #openttd [] 05:46:18 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm132.epsilon124.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 05:53:31 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F57E86.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 06:05:42 *** LA [~lord@ip235.cab20.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 06:11:47 <LA> I'm crazy 06:13:46 <LA> am I? 06:14:07 <Pikka> yes 06:19:10 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-137-64-250.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 06:20:44 <LA> I knew smb would say that 06:21:06 <LA> I was bored so I started making tram tracks based on rail tracks 06:25:57 <Pikka> you mean like these ones? ;) http://grfcrawler.tt-forums.net/details.php?do=details&id=151 06:27:09 <Eddi|zuHause3> i don't like standard gauge trams 06:27:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> trams have to be meter gauge 06:30:01 <LA> pikka, no based on trg1r rail sprites :P.. But I got confuzed with the crossings part so far :/ 06:33:39 <Tefad> http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/funny-pictures-melvin-cat-wants-stapler.jpg 06:35:23 <LA> Pikka: Although the outcomes will be similar :D 06:42:16 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm132.epsilon124.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:49:56 <LA> hmm.. too useless.. gonna do something else 06:53:36 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 06:54:04 <LA> trams...hmmm 06:54:07 <LA> trains - trams 06:55:17 <LA> how do I define if an RV is a tram or a truck/bus? 06:56:16 <LA> and what action0 id should it change then? :/ 06:56:24 <LA> and action3 06:59:22 <LA> k, found out 06:59:27 <LA> misc flag... 06:59:51 <LA> but still what ID's should it use? 07:05:08 <peter1138> doesn't matter 07:07:14 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-120-111-117.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:10:52 <Pikka> peter peter... 07:13:12 <peter1138> pikka :D 07:13:26 *** Farden [~jk3farden@ram94-7-82-232-189-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 07:14:46 <Pikka> normalised inflation? :D 07:14:47 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-120-111-117.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 07:18:09 <peter1138> hmm? 07:18:54 <Pikka> precalculated inflation levels on game start so that the current 0 = 1920, instead of = whenever the game is started. :) 07:19:04 <peter1138> ah 07:19:19 <peter1138> i thought someone had done that once 07:19:20 <peter1138> oh 07:19:28 <peter1138> maybe that was engine reliability levels 07:19:56 <peter1138> you want to make it impossible to start later? ;) 07:20:14 *** iAN_ [~UNIX@212.223.130.65] has joined #openttd 07:20:16 <iAN_> hi 07:20:20 <Pikka> no.. I want to make it so that it's not impossible if you start earlier. :O 07:20:30 <iAN_> hey Pikka! =) 07:20:56 <Pikka> hello 07:21:15 <iAN_> I think I read your name somewhere in my oTTD extension grfs 07:21:20 <iAN_> :-) 07:21:26 <peter1138> hmm 07:21:56 <iAN_> I got a question. Somehow I managed to install fishies into my seas. Also I managed to get some fish-ships and some fish-cargo-train-hoppers 07:21:57 *** smoovi [smoovi@e178193079.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 07:22:10 <iAN_> But how the heck can I order the ships to collect the fishies? 07:22:42 <iAN_> I think in ttdpatch it was to ctrl-place a buoy. That accepted cargo and was kind a station. 07:22:50 <iAN_> How do I do it in oTTD? 07:23:48 <Pikka> raise some land and build a dock? 07:23:53 <peter1138> oh, does the fishing area not include a station? 07:23:59 <peter1138> (like oilrigs do) 07:24:21 <iAN_> erm. raising land in the middle of the ocean (2 tiles) and building a dock is quite EXPENSIVE for a starter. 07:24:46 <peter1138> yes it is, but that's not what i said 07:24:58 <iAN_> Also it would look nicer when the ships go fishing and not dock on an island =) 07:25:25 <iAN_> The fishing area can't be set as station in the shedule list of ships 07:25:55 <iAN_> also I can't use a buoy. So far for now, I managed to "build a dock". But I thought there was a "better" solution implemented in oTTD 07:26:25 <peter1138> well i've never played with that so i'm not aware of a problem, heh 07:28:01 <peter1138> noone else has reported anything, but then people are good at finding workarounds instead ;) 07:29:22 <iAN_> building a buoy: 138$ building a dock: 125.000$ 07:29:43 <iAN_> It's not really a good idea to start with fish then :-( 07:32:06 <iAN_> How complicated would it be to make buoys to stations? 07:32:45 <iAN_> or extend the fishing (source) to have a station included? 07:38:27 <Rubidium> one newgrf has fishing grounds without dock/heliport, another newgrf has fishing grounds with dock/heliport 07:38:39 <Ammler> good morning all 07:38:46 <Rubidium> making a buoy a station is just a big hack 07:39:08 <Ammler> peter1138: it was reported and you thought, we should wait until newports 07:39:24 <Rubidium> as it'd allow you to dump passengers (or any cargo) on the buoy till another ship picks them up and such 07:40:21 <Noldo> and there would be no need for docks 07:42:52 <Ammler> Rubidium: you can't limit the capacity of a station? Else it might be an idea to limit the buoys with a cap of i.e. only 10 or so. 07:43:02 <Ammler> So you would need all the time a ship there... 07:44:11 <peter1138> A buoy is a buoy. 07:44:16 <iAN_> okay. 07:44:22 <peter1138> Ammler: Reported to *me* ? 07:44:30 <iAN_> so I need the newgrf for fishing including a station 07:44:35 <Ammler> no, in this channel... 07:44:51 <peter1138> I bet it wasn't reported on flyspray, but I can't tell as its search feature is useless. 07:45:10 <iAN_> Rubidium: Do you have an URL for this newgrf? 07:45:36 <LA> grfcrawler.tt-forums.net i guess 07:45:43 <Ammler> yeah, it's no a bug and "waiting for new_ports" was good for me... :-) 07:45:55 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 07:46:32 <Ammler> iAN_: from ECS 07:47:03 <iAN_> ECS Agricultural vector? 07:47:12 <Ammler> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=ECSAVFishingGrounds 07:54:06 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F146A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 07:54:19 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-110-195.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 08:00:42 <iAN_> Do I need the new Cargo Set? 08:00:53 <iAN_> (to use the ECS vector?) 08:01:24 *** smoovi [smoovi@e178193079.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: #idlerpg] 08:04:58 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r13369 /trunk/src/ (9 files in 3 dirs): 08:04:58 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Codechange: remove duplication of network configuration settings between NetworkSettings and NetworkGameInfo. 08:04:58 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Fix: failure of changing the server password during games because the password wasn't duplicated properly. 08:05:34 *** snorre [~snorre@84.53.58.1] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:06:46 <Ammler> [10:00] <iAN_> Do I need the new Cargo Set? <-- no, there are already new cargos with it :-) 08:07:11 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r13370 /trunk/src/ (network/network_internal.h openttd.h variables.h): -Codechange: move the VARDEF stuff from openttd.h to variables.h so one doesn't need to include openttd.h before variables.h. 08:07:29 <Ammler> (it might be not compatible) 08:07:44 <iAN_> Ammler: thanks. I have to remove the newCargo 08:09:05 <Ammler> iAN_: a small advise: do not use all ECS vectors at once :-) 08:11:57 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:13:19 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-110-195.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:15:17 <iAN_> Ammler: to late 08:15:31 <iAN_> Ammler: right now trying to figure out how they work at all 08:19:02 <Ammler> :-) 08:21:10 <iAN_> hrm... 08:21:21 *** elmex [~elmex@e180066032.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:21:41 <iAN_> I have multiple "passenger-named" hoppers, transporting anything except passengers 08:21:58 <iAN_> also I have _no_ iron ore hopper, which is needed for the iron ore 08:22:49 <iAN_> which grf is needed to have the right set of engines and trailers for those ECS-stuff? 08:23:44 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-110-195.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 08:23:44 <peter1138> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=37810 08:23:47 <peter1138> that should work with it 08:23:50 <Ammler> iAN_: the wiki for ECS is really good: http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=ECSSupport 08:26:10 <iAN_> ECSDVeh is incompatible with th DB Set 0.82 ECS extension 08:26:12 <iAN_> uh! 08:28:36 <Ammler> that GRF was only for testing, you shouldn't use it 08:31:47 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-110-195.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:39:52 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-110-195.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 08:39:53 *** Mets [~Mets@cpe-72-224-55-41.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 08:39:59 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 08:53:34 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 08:53:37 <iAN_> okay. It became a lot more complicated with ECS 08:53:51 *** Mets [~Mets@cpe-72-224-55-41.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:00:45 * LA fails at coding trams 09:03:37 *** Osai is now known as Osai^work 09:04:21 *** Osai^work is now known as Osai^work`off 09:15:32 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:15:32 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:15:34 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 09:20:13 *** SandMouse [~SandMouse@crazyivan.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:21:21 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.39 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 09:28:54 * SandMouse says hello 09:29:18 <SandMouse> I just tried to join the Public SandBox to get myself familiar with your gameplay. I downloaded the right revision and GRF package. 09:29:37 <SandMouse> When I started the game I found the folowing on my console: 09:29:49 <SandMouse> 6/3/08 11:16:55 com.apple.launchd[93] ([0x0-0xa50a5].org.openttd.openttd[1247]) posix_spawnp("/Applications/Games/OpenTTD/OpenTTD.app/Contents/MacOS/openttd", ...): Bad executable (or shared library) 09:30:14 * SandMouse is using Mac OS 10.5.3 09:30:17 <iAN_> can you start the game as singleplayer on your machine? 09:30:29 <SandMouse> Nope it won't start at all. 09:30:57 <iAN_> I assume you have an own macOS version and not just the windows-files? 09:31:18 <SandMouse> Maybe needles to say but 0.6.0. stable and 0.6.1. stable runs withouth a glitch. (inclusing the NewGRF 7.0) 09:31:50 <SandMouse> I have both the DOS GRF data files and the WINDOWS GRF data files. 09:32:02 <iAN_> I thought about the binaries not the grf files 09:32:10 <iAN_> so you have a openttd mac-OS version? 09:32:36 <SandMouse> Binaries are definately Mac. Used http://nightly.openttd.org/macosx/%4FTTD-macosx-nightly-r13346.zip 09:32:43 <iAN_> okay. 09:32:58 <iAN_> then I'm out of the topic. I use windowsXP 09:32:58 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has joined #openttd 09:33:03 <SandMouse> The stable versions are runing jsut fine. 09:33:19 * iAN_ . o O ( maybe thats why they are called "stable" ) 09:33:29 <SandMouse> Very True! 09:33:53 <iAN_> So, why not join a "regular" multiplayer with your "stable" version? 09:34:07 <SandMouse> I just recently discovered the fun of online playing. Especially the COOP games. 09:34:14 <blathijs> Release macos binaries are built in a different manner than the nightly ones I think 09:34:28 <blathijs> so it might be that the nightly macos binaries are simply broken 09:34:33 <SandMouse> Well, the server I want to join uses this particular version. 09:34:47 <blathijs> SandMouse: You should poke Bjarni when he's around, he's our Mac guy 09:35:01 <iAN_> SandMouse: join a "regular" server and "join" a company instead of creating one 09:35:23 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:36:01 <SandMouse> Allright I'll drop Bjarni a line when he's in. 09:36:10 *** mikl [~mikl@adsl.peytz.dk] has joined #openttd 09:36:39 *** Hendikins is now known as Hendikins|SRA412 09:37:44 <Maedhros> SandMouse: 'tis a known problem with the nightlies and OS X 10.5, i'm afraid - http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=37762 09:42:26 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has joined #openttd 09:43:25 <SandMouse> Ah! That explains it. 09:45:11 *** Xeryus|bnc is now known as XeryusTC 09:57:00 <iAN_> what is/are "dyes" dict.leo.org doesn't know it 09:57:40 <Rubidium> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dyes <- use a proper dictionary ;) 09:58:36 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r13371 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix (r4510 ... r12924): Engine array size is not related to the ID used when setting a vehicle's name (it is vehicle type specific). Instead just test for a generic string. 09:58:38 <iAN_> well.. "dye" is known by dict.leo.org too 10:12:26 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 10:14:55 * LA is soooo confuzed 10:15:36 <dih> confuddled (mix of confused and muddled) 10:15:49 <LA> how do I specify how many articulated parts will there be in a tram 10:16:04 <LA> Can't find it anywhere 10:16:21 * LA is learnign to make tram grfs 10:16:33 <peter1138> you use the callback 10:16:45 <peter1138> so you need to know action 3 2 1 chains 10:17:11 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:17:22 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:17:30 <LA> hmm.. 10:17:49 <LA> I just decoded /commented a big part of generic trams grf 10:17:55 <LA> ok.. not a big part 10:18:03 <LA> but one action0 for 3wagon tram 10:18:14 <LA> 58 bytes long 10:18:36 <LA> 10 * 58 00 01 16 01 40 00 78 4E 02 20 03 13 04 16 06 07 07 05 08 90 09 7E 0A 48 4C 00 00 0F 20 10 02 11 10:18:37 <LA> 71 0E FF 1C 03 17 00 12 49 16 00 00 00 00 1A 00 1B 00 1D 02 00 1E 88 01 15 24 <--- sometin like tis 10:18:44 <LA> and you say it was useless? : 10:18:46 <LA> :P 10:21:37 *** egladil [~egladil@83.233.80.249] has joined #openttd 10:21:55 <peter1138> ... 10:22:01 <peter1138> that's not decoding 10:22:13 <peter1138> nor is it commenting 10:22:18 <LA> no 10:22:19 <ln> no, it's egladil 10:22:26 <LA> Icommented that sprite 10:23:02 <peter1138> i see. do you want a medal? 10:23:06 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r13372 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Cleanup: Excessive whitespace 10:23:11 <LA> http://paste.openttd.org/13072 10:23:28 <LA> no, I want to see how I can define the number of wagons 10:23:39 <LA> that action0 didn't help me much 10:23:44 <peter1138> well no 10:23:53 <peter1138> as you need to use the callback 10:23:57 <egladil> huh? what am i you say? 10:25:04 <LA> the callback.. which one 10:25:46 <LA> 16? 10:26:41 <LA> but that is for trains not trams :S 10:26:45 <peter1138> yup 10:27:51 <LA> ok.. things would be much simpler if I understood what a callback is 10:27:56 <LA> :P 10:32:47 *** ooo4tom [~Tom@92.2.192.175] has joined #openttd 10:32:54 <peter1138> have a look at the articulated trams then 10:33:45 *** ooo4tom [~Tom@92.2.192.175] has quit [] 10:34:33 *** ooo4tom [~ooo4tom@92.2.192.175] has joined #openttd 10:34:40 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/met.nfo 10:34:59 <peter1138> ^ for some documented trams 10:37:37 <LA> aaaaaaaaaaa.... Why haven't I seen that before? :( :P 10:37:48 <LA> thousand thanks peter 10:39:18 *** ln [~lanurm@castor.utu.fi] has quit [Server closed connection] 10:39:19 *** ln [~lanurm@castor.utu.fi] has joined #openttd 10:41:01 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:41:07 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [] 10:41:18 <peter1138> cos i only just put it there 10:41:30 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:52:27 <SandMouse> If I manage to compile it correctly I'll dump it on the forum, ok! 10:59:43 <eQualizer> If I choose to play scenario, difficulty setting is preset? 11:03:44 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-58-165-98-32.qld.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 11:04:28 <dih> eQualizer: yep 11:04:31 <dih> no 11:04:35 <dih> not in a scenario 11:04:39 <dih> in a save game :-P 11:05:08 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv25.net.upc.cz] has quit [Server closed connection] 11:05:19 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv25.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 11:05:58 *** Belugas [belugas@openttd.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 11:06:04 *** Belugas [belugas@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 11:06:13 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 11:06:38 <eQualizer> oh. 11:07:12 <eQualizer> But I still don't understand. I start playing this scenario, I select hard difficult, but in the game, it's easy for some reason. 11:08:28 <LA> peter1138: Sorry for annoying you again... 11:08:37 <LA> // 10 = Articulated parts (1) 11:08:38 <LA> 45 * 14 02 01 10 81 10 00 FF 01 ENGINE_ID FF 01 01 FF FF 11:08:47 <LA> what there shows that it's only 1 11:08:51 <LA> articulated part 11:09:14 <peter1138> 01 01 11:10:23 <peter1138> you need to adjust the range 11:10:28 <LA> hmm 11:10:29 <LA> ok 11:10:47 <LA> so if it is 01 02 for example? 11:11:39 <LA> this is the same line in generic trams... 11:11:41 <LA> 185 * 14 02 01 01 81 10 00 FF 01 41 80 01 02 FF 80 11:11:55 <peter1138> then gives you 2 extra parts, so it's 3 parts in total 11:11:59 <peter1138> *that 11:12:48 <LA> and the as ff ff / ff 80 means? 11:13:22 *** orudge` [~orudge@78.32.67.242] has quit [] 11:13:22 <LA> the default... 11:13:36 <peter1138> that returns FF, which means "stop" 11:14:16 <peter1138> which you'd know if you read the callback documentation 11:15:34 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 11:15:36 <LA> sorry.. it's just that callbacks are so completely different from other var2 I've done 11:15:43 <LA> so I'm really confuzzled 11:16:36 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has quit [] 11:16:59 <peter1138> they're totally the same as every other varaction2 chain 11:17:09 <LA> AND it doesn't work :S 11:17:49 *** shodan [~user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 11:18:02 <LA> I probably have sth else missing somewhere 11:18:09 <LA> but renum doesn't complain 11:18:48 <LA> hmm... loool 11:19:13 <LA> misc flag was not set.. now trying 11:19:29 <peter1138> that doesn't affect articulation 11:20:19 <peter1138> oh 11:20:24 <peter1138> unless you mean the callback mask 11:20:56 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:21:47 <LA> yes I mean this 11:24:06 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm132.epsilon124.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 11:24:11 <LA> thank you for your help peter1138 11:24:17 <LA> I got it to wotr 11:24:21 <LA> work* 11:24:37 *** Lex [~lex@70.188-233-85.staticip.namesco.net] has joined #openttd 11:29:00 *** divoafx [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 11:29:06 *** SandMouse [~SandMouse@crazyivan.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 11:38:50 *** sunkan [sunkan@sunkan.bsnet.se] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 11:39:31 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r13373 /trunk/src/ (saveload.cpp subsidy_gui.cpp): -Fix (r10210): loading of very old savegames was broken 11:41:21 *** sunkan [sunkan@sunkan.bsnet.se] has joined #openttd 11:44:36 *** ooo4tom [~ooo4tom@92.2.192.175] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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Although it has _no_ dyes it doe not accept it at all 13:19:52 <iAN_> What should I do now? 13:33:42 <dih> post your questions in the forums 13:33:56 <dih> where it say "do you have trouble with ecs vetcotrs?" or something like that 13:34:27 <dih> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=34758 13:34:28 <LA> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=34758 13:34:32 <LA> oi 13:34:32 <dih> hehe 13:34:34 <dih> ;-P 13:34:39 <dih> trallalla 13:34:42 * dih runs 13:34:46 * LA slaps dih 13:34:47 <SmatZ> :-) 13:34:54 <dih> @kick LA 13:34:58 <dih> :-P 13:35:02 <LA> you aint mod here :P 13:35:07 <Mchl> trallalla again... 13:35:11 <dih> op.. it's called op 13:35:16 <LA> whatever 13:35:20 <glx> iAN_: we are not in charge of grfs bug 13:35:24 <dih> no - i was hoping someone would play a game with me 13:35:37 <Mchl> a game? 13:35:39 <dih> but da bot aint friendly enough 13:35:40 <LA> and now you can't kick me from anywhere :P 13:36:10 <dih> you still wanna play wwottdgd right? :-P 13:36:18 <LA> naah 13:36:19 <dih> just kidding 13:36:25 <LA> why should I want 13:36:39 <LA> some weird openttd geeks just gathering on some freaky server 13:36:44 <LA> ^^ 13:36:58 <LA> or not 13:37:20 <dih> :-P 13:38:09 <LA> http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=91946 13:38:28 <SmatZ> :-) 13:39:07 <Ammler> LA just saw your post in tt-froums, had to look 2 times :-) 13:39:18 <LA> :) 13:39:34 <LA> those chimearas are RVs there 13:39:58 <Ammler> yeah, you said it already in the post... 13:39:59 <LA> thanks to peter113 who helped me coding 13:40:23 <SmatZ> hehe, whouldn't be changing train station GRF to look like road stop easier? 13:40:40 <LA> lol 13:40:52 <LA> and changing chimeara to run on normal tracks 13:40:54 <LA> prolly yes 13:40:56 <peter1138> articulated chimaera! 13:41:02 <SmatZ> :-) 13:41:20 <SmatZ> so they are two road vehicles? 13:41:23 <SmatZ> interesting :) 13:41:26 <Ammler> but you can't build articulated rvs self, choosing different waggons? 13:41:41 <SmatZ> not in OTTD 13:41:43 <LA> well.. you can refit them.. 13:41:48 <SmatZ> :) 13:41:52 <peter1138> LA... that is sick :D 13:41:55 <LA> And I can add parameters how long they'll be 13:42:20 <dih> LA: you could make a 5 tile long articulated tram :-P 13:42:22 <Ammler> but then all rvs needs to be same length 13:42:49 <peter1138> all? 13:42:51 <SmatZ> let it run anound a block, it will crash/block itself ;) 13:43:24 <LA> Ammler: I could make many different rvs 13:43:29 <Ammler> the parameter setting will influence the whole type, I guess. 13:43:33 <LA> yes 13:43:43 <LA> but if I have two different IDs or more 13:43:53 <LA> the main problem is speed though 13:44:06 <peter1138> Ammler: there are in theory 128 parameters per GRF 13:44:22 *** divoafx [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:44:51 <Ammler> can't you refit to different lengths? 13:45:03 <LA> no 13:45:04 <peter1138> nope 13:45:22 <LA> peter1138: But openttd doesn't allow giving them so much.. Atleast via gui 13:45:57 <LA> some sort of character limit I guess 13:47:13 <iAN_> okay. posted a bug-report and after it was closed (invalid) I posted the savegame into the TT-forum 13:47:15 <iAN_> :-/ 13:47:18 <Belugas> a limit??? Let's BREAK IT! 13:47:31 <Ammler> :-) 13:47:38 <Belugas> ho... no... we have to ask every so-called-coders on ttdpatch if we can :P 13:47:45 <SmatZ> iAN_: ask to reopen that bugreport once it is proven it is OTTD bug, we can't help if it is not 13:47:50 <Belugas> grf coders... that is 13:48:09 <SmatZ> [15:47:19] <Belugas> a limit??? Let's BREAK IT! <--- lol, you are like people @ tt-forums :) 13:48:12 <glx> and ECS vectors are known to be WIP 13:48:27 <iAN_> well.. I dowloaded ottd and it seems buggy. I'm not familiar nor skilled how to prove that it is the fault of ottd 13:48:39 <SmatZ> iAN_: ask at tt-forums 13:48:44 <iAN_> SmatZ: : done 13:48:46 <LA> you have downloaded ecs vectors and they seem buggy 13:48:57 <SmatZ> hehe 13:49:04 <iAN_> So. ECS vectors are not part of ottd? 13:49:11 <Ammler> not only 13:49:20 <iAN_> means they would work in, lets say ttdpatch, too? 13:49:28 <LA> lol 13:49:33 <Belugas> iAN_, flyspay is there to deal with bugs in the program itself. Since your report is not one that fit in the category, it has to be closed. I'm sorry for the time you've spent on it, but it was really not the best place for that 13:50:08 <Belugas> SmatZ, yeah, i think i have been contaminated ;) 13:50:11 <Ammler> you can copy&paste it to tt-forums :-) 13:50:15 <iAN_> I'm not upset/angry that it was closed. I just want to know, whom to report that "my vehicle factory" does not work as expected 13:50:32 <LA> me and dih gave you the link 13:50:43 <glx> report it to George in the ECS problems post 13:50:44 <iAN_> LA: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=34758&p=696191#p696191 13:50:48 <SmatZ> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=696191#p696191 already reported ;-) 13:51:13 <LA> iook.. now wait until some wise guy answers 13:51:42 <iAN_> ok. waiting. 13:51:58 <LA> it could take more that 5 minutes just for you to know 13:52:03 <SmatZ> :-) 13:52:44 <iAN_> another thingy. when the trains go arround and don't stick to their schedules.. is that part of ottd? or does this belong to the tt-forum too? 13:53:16 <LA> that is prolly a problem of malfunctioning junctions 13:53:39 <iAN_> It occurs everytime they go into a depot for servicing 13:53:41 <Touqen> I'm pretty sure timetabling is a ottd only feature. 13:53:48 <Touqen> iAN_: Your schedules are too tight. 13:53:49 <dih> :-P 13:53:56 <dih> aye 13:53:56 <Touqen> You should add in some wiggle room so they can recover. 13:54:12 <LA> depending if he means schedules as timetables or as orders 13:54:30 <LA> I think the latter 13:54:36 <LA> anyway, I'll be back later 13:54:36 <iAN_> Touqen: I think I never used the "timetable" and my trains just have two orders. Go to A and full load, then go to B then repeat 13:55:03 <Ammler> iAN_: just expand your station 13:55:05 <Touqen> Well, I place schedules as being synonymous with timetable. 13:55:07 <Maedhros> timetables and full load don't really go together 13:55:22 <LA> iAN_: You have to make sure that the train is able to continue to it's destination form the depot 13:55:24 <Ammler> and your ECS Problem is fixed, not every part of the factory accept everything 13:55:37 <LA> or it will not find path and will circle around in some x places 13:55:52 <iAN_> sometimes they just leave the station (after waiting to get 100%) drive into a depot, go back to the station where they just waited to be full loaded, and then leave for the dropoff station. IMHO they should visit the dropoff right after depot, not driving back where they came from first 13:56:39 <LA> take it as this: the drivers changed and the second driver didn't know where should he go 13:56:42 <iAN_> Ammler: sorry? 13:56:42 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489DAB8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:57:20 <LA> iAN_: Just make sure that the station coverage is on and then cover the whole factory with it :P 13:57:38 <iAN_> okay.. trying to fix it 13:57:40 <Ammler> if you expand your station nearer to the factory, it will accept dys 13:57:41 <iAN_> .. :-) 13:57:53 <Ammler> e 13:58:23 *** Brianetta [~brian@host86-131-185-200.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 13:58:44 <Ammler> GRF settings seems ok 14:00:01 <Ammler> if you play with ECS, I recommend to use TTRS, for better support... 14:02:02 <Ammler> hmm the pack is outdated, we should update it 14:02:43 <iAN_> what is TTRS? 14:02:53 <peter1138> 'total town renewal set' 14:03:02 <LA> Ammler: Then let it be the last update before wwottdgd 14:03:14 <iAN_> aaah.. I wondered where to deliver cars and gasoline 14:03:32 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489C9DB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:03:50 <Ammler> LA, that's for sure :-) 14:04:04 <iAN_> what is wwottdgd? 14:04:37 <LA> World Wide OpenTTD Game Day 14:04:47 <LA> Organized by #openttdcoop 14:04:52 <dih> not quite 14:04:56 <LA> ? 14:04:59 <Belugas> hacked by... 14:04:59 <LA> isn't it 14:05:01 <Belugas> lol 14:05:05 <dih> originized as a cooperation of #openttdcoop and openttdFairPlay 14:05:13 <LA> well.. you are coop too 14:05:13 <iAN_> I got TTRS V3.02a 14:05:22 <dih> i was not related to #openttdcoop at that time 14:05:27 <Ammler> with friendly hacks from #openttd devs 14:05:37 <LA> well.. but that was wwottdgd1 14:05:38 <dih> in fact, started off with a chat Ammler and I had 14:05:41 <dih> good old times :-P 14:06:08 <LA> I think you should make the general thread there 14:06:14 <LA> about it 14:06:17 <LA> in forums 14:06:29 <LA> to announce the upcoming event whenever it is 14:07:01 <Ammler> we need a "killer" patch/hack 14:07:11 *** dragonhorseboy [~dragonhor@modemcable147.26-58-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 14:07:19 <Belugas> [10:03] <Ammler> with friendly hacks from #openttd devs <--- tut tut tut... retired dev 14:07:29 <Ammler> :-) 14:07:48 <LA> killer? 14:07:55 <dih> Belugas: not at that time :-P 14:08:04 <Ammler> (something specail) 14:08:05 <dragonhorseboy> how often have any of you heard of a wagon (even ex-oldboxcar or so) being converted to act as a converter car with one coupler type on one end and another on other end? 14:08:21 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BA9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:08:35 <dih> dragonhorseboy: never, why? 14:08:43 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:08:51 <LA> If I knew what you talked about or understood, then I think I'd heard of it :P 14:08:57 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:08:58 <LA> 5 and a half times 14:09:08 <iAN_> question: On a map (512x512) using all ECS and TTRS .. what should I do first? Without ECS I would go for coal->powerplant. but now? 14:09:24 <dih> iAN_: read the tt-forums 14:09:32 <dih> they discuss it 14:09:39 <dih> search for ecs topic subjects 14:09:42 <iAN_> dih: and your opinion is which? 14:09:49 <dih> i just told you! 14:09:54 <dih> read the forums 14:09:59 <dih> i dont play (ecs) 14:10:02 <dragonhorseboy> dih just wondering about it .. could be interesting if one was used to allow historic trainsets to run in another country (can we say buffer&chain foreign cars to an usa knuckle diesel locomotive?) 14:10:04 <Belugas> NEVAR trust trhe opinion of a system admin! 14:10:10 <dih> LOL 14:10:21 <dih> nice one Belugas :-P 14:10:50 <Belugas> noting against you ;) i 14:10:53 <Belugas> m 14:11:00 <Ammler> iAN_: did you create a new game? 14:11:08 <Belugas> just in a facetious mood, due to a tedious job 14:11:08 <iAN_> Ammler: Jawohl! 14:11:12 *** SandMouse [~SandMouse@crazyivan.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:11:19 <Ammler> else you should check, if the cargo have payments 14:11:38 <Ammler> then just use the cargo type, which HAS payment. 14:11:47 <iAN_> ?! 14:11:50 <SandMouse> Can I drop a question about compiling? 14:12:19 <iAN_> Ammler: You mean, some of my (available) cargos will not be paid for? 14:12:32 <Ammler> if you added the GRF after start 14:12:35 <dih> iAN_: check wiki.openttd.org :-) 14:12:47 <Belugas> SandMouse, why do you ask? 14:12:50 <dih> then you can find out how to check the payment rates :-P 14:12:50 * iAN_ . o O ( omg ) 14:13:18 <iAN_> ok, added (all) grfs, applied, quit, restarted, checked grf settings, created new game 14:13:30 <dih> SandMouse: only one question per day allowed here 14:13:31 <Belugas> iAN_, dih has a point. Reading the wiki might give you even more answers that you have questions :) 14:13:31 <SandMouse> My source compiles fine, except it does not see a revision number. (checking revision... no detection) 14:13:41 <dih> yes you can ask a question, but now you have to wait until tomorrow 14:13:57 <Belugas> SandMouse: doyou have svn or tortoise installed? 14:13:58 <SandMouse> @ dih :-) 14:14:07 <glx> SandMouse: how did you get the sources? 14:14:21 <SandMouse> I downloaded the source from openttd.org 14:14:28 <glx> then it's normal 14:14:58 <glx> version detection works only with svn, git or mercurial 14:15:08 <SandMouse> I need the 'r' number in, in order to play online, else the game won't let me select a server. 14:15:46 <iAN_> I read all of the http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=ECS ECS-available infos. 14:15:56 <dih> ./configure --revision=r1 14:16:23 <planetmaker> SandMouse: get the svn client from the subversion page --- or follow dih's advice (not recommended) :P 14:16:35 <dih> hihi 14:16:56 <SandMouse> Thanks guys. Let me try your suggestions. 14:21:38 * SandMouse is running OpenTTD r13346 on Mac OS 10.5.3. online. Thank you for helping me! 14:22:50 <dih> SandMouse: one other hint 14:22:55 <dih> no need to ask if you may ask! 14:24:09 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499F080.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:24:56 <Eddi|zuHause3> ln: that world would never have worked... 14:26:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> ln: did you notice the overuse of the word "demilitarized"? 14:30:05 *** elmex [~elmex@e180066032.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:32:59 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-120-111-117.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:35:42 *** ooo4tom [~ooo4tom@92.2.192.175] has joined #openttd 14:37:54 *** Zylithi [~Zylithi@67.193.154.151] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:43:26 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 14:44:08 <iAN_> ok. new question: the refrigerated hopper can be refit to paper(refrigerated), fruit(refrigerated) and fish(refrigerated) 14:44:21 <iAN_> how can I transport food(refrigerated)? 14:45:04 <dih> by loading food! 14:45:09 <Gekz> Eddi|zuHause3: Canada is USA in that map 14:45:09 <Gekz> hahaha 14:45:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> paper? you probably have an incompatible mix of grfs 14:45:40 <dih> Gekz: hehe, that'll piss 'em off :-D 14:46:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> Gekz: yeah, the USA assume they can just go along and "unify" countries which did not even take part in the war 14:46:44 <Gekz> lol 14:47:01 <Gekz> British Commonwealth of Nations 14:47:07 <Gekz> Australia was independant after 1901 14:47:12 <Gekz> and NZ before that I think 14:47:25 <glx> LA: your "road->rail" screenshot is nice :) 14:47:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> what is your opinion of "independent"? 14:47:48 <Eddi|zuHause3> the queen of britain is still the head of state in australia 14:47:49 <Gekz> It wont fit on one line. 14:47:51 <dih> glx: where is that screeny 14:47:51 <Gekz> it's a phallacy 14:47:54 <Gekz> but lets not get into that 14:48:01 <Gekz> we aren't owned by Britain 14:48:07 <glx> dih: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=696176#p696176 14:48:14 <Gekz> next referendum and we're a republic 14:48:15 <dih> thanks ;-) 14:48:34 <Gekz> Eddi|zuHause3: the Queen of England is the figurative head of state 14:48:42 <Gekz> she has no power whatsoever due to the constitution 14:48:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> that is not the point ;) 14:48:57 <Gekz> yes, it is. 14:49:04 <Gekz> so her head is on the back of a coin 14:49:12 <Gekz> gives you something to look at when shes dead 14:49:29 <Eddi|zuHause3> the head of state in germany is the president, but he also has no power whatsoever 14:49:51 <Gekz> I quite like having a Queen as a powerless figurehead 14:49:56 <Gekz> it keeps the parliament in line 14:50:04 <Gekz> none of them are at the top :P 14:50:14 <peter1138> is that not some power? 14:50:21 <Eddi|zuHause3> the point is, "independent" is a different thing 14:50:33 <Gekz> peter1138: false power. 14:50:45 <Gekz> Eddi|zuHause3: in the eyes of law. 14:50:49 <Gekz> we are independant 14:50:51 <Eddi|zuHause3> what you describe is more like "autonomic" 14:50:53 <Gekz> we aren't a colony of the UK 14:51:07 <Eddi|zuHause3> but it did not say "colony" 14:51:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> it said "commonwealth" 14:51:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> and that is still the case 14:51:19 <Gekz> british commonwealth 14:51:25 <Gekz> signifies a colony 14:51:39 <Gekz> symbolises ownership 14:52:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> have you any knowledge of history? you sound like an american... 14:53:23 <Maedhros> umm, surely Australia *is* part of the Commonwealth? 14:53:29 <Eddi|zuHause3> after the desaster with the united states, the general course of the british empire was generally: conlony -> dominion -> commonwealth 14:53:42 <Gekz> Maedhros: yes, but it's simply "The Commonwealth" 14:53:53 <Gekz> it's not "The British Commonwealth" 14:54:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> each such word can be prefixed by "british" 14:54:26 <Gekz> and rofl, at the bottom of that map "Hebrewland" 14:55:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> Gekz: well, that basically qualifies under the category of "working title" 14:55:42 <Belugas> as long as the queen is on coins, i think we're still on "Commonwealth", whatever that word still means, apart not paying duties when receiving stuff from ebay :D 14:55:56 <Gekz> lol 14:56:13 <Gekz> there's a few upsides of being in the Commonwealth 14:56:19 *** Lex [~lex@70.188-233-85.staticip.namesco.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:56:23 <Gekz> Commonwealth passports, Commonwealth games 14:56:33 <Gekz> less tariffs 14:57:09 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-120-111-117.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 15:00:11 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-110-195.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: reboot] 15:00:55 *** Arie- [asdfsadf@villabadmuts.adsl.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 15:02:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> luckily, the USA learned that a suppressed and humiliated germany was the entire cause of the 2nd world war, and wanted to create a strong germany to not repeat that mistake 15:04:13 *** Slowpoke [~Lobster@dslb-088-073-243-107.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:05:46 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:06:38 *** ooo4tom [~ooo4tom@92.2.192.175] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:06:56 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-110-195.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 15:09:09 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn196-117.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:09:31 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-110-195.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [] 15:10:23 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:10:29 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 15:26:22 *** dragonhorseboy [~dragonhor@modemcable147.26-58-74.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [] 15:31:27 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:31:46 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:32:48 *** Zorni [zorn@e177235180.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:36:13 *** Zorn [zorn@f054002122.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 15:36:53 *** Zorn [zorn@f054002122.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 15:37:00 *** Zorn [zorn@f054002122.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 15:41:27 *** Slowpoke_ [Lobster@dslb-088-073-243-107.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:43:35 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-98-223-83-70.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:43:35 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1142 15:43:36 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 15:48:09 *** Slowpoke [~Lobster@dslb-088-073-243-107.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:50:05 *** Guest1142 [~Dale@pool-71-120-111-117.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:53:45 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:55:01 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37eed.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 15:55:06 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499F080.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 15:55:45 *** Lev [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 16:04:37 *** Zealotus [~Ping@217-211-211-179-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:07:59 *** Zealotus [~Ping@217-211-211-179-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 16:09:50 <Ammler> patch request: option to skip some Action7 ;-) 16:11:06 <LA> Ammler: There was some basehead who provided already crack to it.. Wasn't very welcomed 16:11:10 <Maedhros> well that's an easy one. no 16:11:18 <Ammler> :-) 16:12:08 <Ammler> LA, that's why I ask for a patch, changing grf isn't nice, indeed. 16:12:36 <LA> you were serious? 16:12:40 *** SandMouse [~SandMouse@crazyivan.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 16:13:39 <Rubidium> what about loading some arbitrary binary data, then changing some bits/bytes in it before passing it to an executer? 16:13:40 <Ammler> and OzTransLtd didn't mention it in the changelog, he changed that hidden... 16:14:29 <Rubidium> cause as far as I can tell OzTransLtd is not against said method of getting non-working stuff working 16:15:01 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B65D0B.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 16:15:25 <Rubidium> *or* OzTransLtd is against TTDP 16:15:56 <Ammler> well, the problem is that some people using those feature complaind to the grf author instead here 16:16:32 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37eed.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 16:17:00 <Ammler> that feature is still experimental and grf authors shouldn't code againt it yet. 16:17:19 <Ammler> they should wait until it's available in a stable release 16:17:36 <Rubidium> OzTransLtd uses his 'powers' to force other people to change stuff 16:17:55 <Ammler> he uses power to force other people to think like him 16:18:17 * LA starts callin yorick eigenaar from now on 16:19:00 <Ammler> I fear, dbset 0.9 will also have those ugly hack 16:19:03 <Belugas> I am publically claiming that all canadians do not have the same mentality the OzTransLtd shows 16:19:24 <Ammler> oztransltd is german, isn't 16:19:42 <Belugas> he is? 16:19:42 <Ammler> why do I think, all people are germans :-) 16:19:45 <Belugas> either way 16:20:32 *** iAN_ [~UNIX@212.223.130.65] has quit [Quit: Oops. Connection lost.] 16:22:43 *** lagann [~terminal@c-66-30-110-51.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:23:01 <Belugas> and on second though... i don't care about Oz and all that bullshit... 16:23:28 <Belugas> there are other grf coders (real ones) that are way more enjoyable (and knowledgable) than him 16:24:01 *** Zealotus [~Ping@217-211-211-179-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:24:16 *** Zealotus [~Ping@217-211-211-179-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 16:24:16 <Ammler> oh, Oz is another person, imo :-) 16:24:27 <Belugas> OzTransLtd 16:25:04 <peter1138> Ammler: "isn't he" not "isnt'" 16:25:29 <Ammler> but he speaks german quite well 16:27:21 <Belugas> he could dance on his head while singing the blues that it would not matter 16:29:28 <Ammler> peter1138: oh, you just corrected me, thanks :-) 16:33:35 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:33:48 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:34:03 <Ammler> well, I post a bugreport 16:34:04 *** Lev [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:34:40 *** nicfer [~chatzilla@168.226.105.9] has joined #openttd 16:41:32 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0DB66.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:49:30 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm132.epsilon124.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:51:32 <Eddi|zuHause3> what "hack" are people talking about? 16:51:38 <hylje> what the hack 16:52:29 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause3: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=696241#p696241 16:53:44 <Ammler> he just checked if the patch setting is enabled, not if there are really other sets loaded... 16:54:12 <Ammler> thats why I call it "hack" 16:54:24 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 16:54:59 <Belugas> i call that terrorism 16:55:25 <Ammler> :-) 16:56:05 <SmatZ> hehe 16:56:15 <Ammler> you might still want to load multiple road sets or what ever... 16:57:01 <Belugas> you know what I have in my head? The strange idea of rejecting all canadian sets from loading. Every one of them, even earlier versions. 16:57:15 <Ammler> heh 16:57:40 <Ammler> it _is_ the best eyecandy set available atm... 16:58:18 <Ammler> really like those reverse features 16:58:50 <Belugas> I concede him the right to report any bugs he wants, i concede him the right to block the grf ever to load. I deny him the right to put some kind of a terrorism plot to make HIS stuff the way he wants it to be. that is bad and counter productive 16:58:56 <Ammler> I thought, since you made those feature working in ottd, you and OzTransLtd are friends 16:59:16 <Belugas> Ammler, you are not friend with someone who stabs you in the back TWICE 17:00:09 <Belugas> I though too he would come to us and tell about his problems. no.. he just pull the plug off... 17:00:11 <Belugas> hell... 17:00:20 <Belugas> it worked the last time... 17:00:21 <glx> we added features when he used the right way to ask 17:00:25 <Belugas> why not now?? 17:00:29 <Belugas> yeah 17:01:04 <glx> even if we needed to "hack" its grf to test the features ;) 17:01:12 <glx> as he don't provide test cases 17:01:38 <glx> (it was not a direct hack but ottd lying) 17:01:42 <Ammler> well, I can't include hacked GRFs in the coop pack 17:02:01 <Belugas> indeed, so don't use his e version 17:02:10 <Belugas> BOYCOTT THE "E" 17:02:21 <Ammler> yeah, thanks to SVN 17:03:14 <Ammler> well, I will hope, he releases fast a "f" 17:03:18 <Belugas> Better than that... boycott the Canadian Set at all! 17:03:28 <Ammler> :-( 17:03:59 <Ammler> that wouldn't be fair to the graphics people 17:04:07 <Ammler> or do they all agree to OzTrans? 17:05:05 <Belugas> i don't know 17:07:26 <Belugas> I know of patch devs that are not happy with the situation either 17:10:30 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@79.0.238.55] has joined #openttd 17:11:14 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@79.0.238.55] has quit [] 17:13:08 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@79.0.238.55] has joined #openttd 17:13:30 <Wolf01> hello 17:14:04 <peter1138> hi 17:14:12 <Belugas> hello good Wolf01 17:14:16 <peter1138> coo, a 0 in your ip address 17:14:48 * Prof_Frink saw someone with beef in their ipv6 address 17:15:16 <peter1138> feh, easy with ipv6 17:15:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> i have seen that, too 17:15:38 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:15:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> probably dead:beef 17:16:12 <peter1138> babe:cafe 17:16:19 <peter1138> cabb:a6e 17:17:32 <Prof_Frink> shirley 9 is more like g than 6 17:17:43 <peter1138> yes 17:17:47 <peter1138> i failed, of course 17:18:07 <Touqen> 8008463 17:18:22 <Wolf01> hey, my phone number! 17:18:33 <Touqen> 3648008 turned upside down :D 17:18:35 <Prof_Frink> You, of course, just want an IPv6 ending with :1138 17:18:54 <peter1138> of course 17:19:22 <Prof_Frink> BOOBhgE? 17:19:47 <peter1138> b00b1e5 17:20:00 <Noldo> :D 17:20:05 <Prof_Frink> Mmm, b00b1e5 17:20:16 <Touqen> i <3 boobies 17:21:26 *** thgerg1 [~Administr@dsl51B65D0B.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 17:21:26 * Prof_Frink wonders of b00b:b00b:b00b:b00b:b00b:b00b:b00b:b00b is a porn site 17:21:31 *** LA_ [~lord@ip235.cab20.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 17:21:31 *** bowman^2 [johanf@81-226-229-179-no59.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 17:21:48 *** bowman [johanf@81-226-229-179-no59.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:21:51 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:21:51 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 17:22:01 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B65D0B.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 17:22:42 *** LA is now known as Guest1156 17:22:42 *** LA_ is now known as LA 17:28:46 *** Guest1156 [~lord@ip235.cab20.ltln.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:30:07 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.] 17:32:39 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-120-111-117.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 17:32:39 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1160 17:32:39 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 17:34:03 *** bowman^2 [johanf@81-226-229-179-no59.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:34:09 *** bowman [johanf@81-226-229-179-no59.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 17:39:02 *** Guest1160 [~Dale@c-98-223-83-70.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:42:56 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DC68.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:43:00 <fjb> Hi 17:43:26 <SmatZ> hi 17:46:17 <Ammler> @seen Drakoon 17:46:17 <DorpsGek> Ammler: I have not seen Drakoon. 17:46:35 <Ammler> @seen Draakon 17:46:35 <DorpsGek> Ammler: Draakon was last seen in #openttd 4 days, 23 hours, 6 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <Draakon> *runs* 17:48:29 <SmatZ> so he ran away 17:49:05 <Ammler> well, this guy is a little bit annoying in the canset thread. 17:53:01 <peter1138> and also, don't post download links 17:53:21 <Prof_Frink> 3407! 17:57:45 <nicfer> one question, is possible to use two different NoAIs simultaneously? 17:57:55 <glx> yes 17:58:26 <glx> but not from command line 18:01:38 <nicfer> so, if I enable two or more of them, when an AI tries to join, it will be selected randomly from the active ones right? 18:02:42 <Ammler> peter1138: sorry, I liked to link to thread, which contains those links 18:03:10 <Ammler> deleted the post 18:04:29 <glx> nicfer: yes, unless you started openttd with -a 18:19:01 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 18:19:06 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:19:55 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has joined #openttd 18:21:33 *** Osai^work`off is now known as Osai 18:23:04 *** Mchl [~mchl@abft138.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Bye] 18:25:56 <nicfer> I have two problems with NoAI: one, it slows down a quite the game, two, one of the AIs get stuck 18:27:29 <Rubidium> nicfer: so you have two problems with an AI 18:27:37 *** eQualizer [~lauri@87.94.117.196] has joined #openttd 18:27:39 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499F080.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:27:41 <Rubidium> cause NoAI doesn't make AIs stuck 18:27:52 <nicfer> I have two NoAIs active 18:28:04 <Rubidium> and slowness is more about writing efficient AIs than about the API being slow 18:28:21 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499F080.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 18:34:21 <nicfer> other AI trouble, it build an uncomplete track or deleted it 18:34:59 <eQualizer> You wouldn't know why come generic tramset doesn't seem to work on subarctic scenario? I just don't get any new trams, and all the old ones just disapper from the new vehicles list. 18:35:48 <nicfer> track of road*, it is the convoyAI 18:35:49 <Eddi|zuHause3> eQualizer: adding a vehicle set to an existing game may have side effects 18:36:01 *** mikl [~mikl@adsl.peytz.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 18:36:08 <Eddi|zuHause3> eQualizer: try "resetengines" on the console 18:36:12 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r13375 /trunk/ (22 files in 3 dirs): -Add: logging of actions that could possibly cause desyncs and crashes to simplify debugging. See readme.txt for details 18:36:18 <Belugas> further on, could it be that trams are not meant to be in subtropic? 18:36:31 <Belugas> ho.. 18:36:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> arctic, not tropic :) 18:36:43 <Belugas> subarctic 18:36:45 <Belugas> yeah 18:36:58 <eQualizer> Belugas: According to the http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=32441&st=0&sk=t&sd=a topic, yes. 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going to be in a stable release any time 'soon' 21:32:55 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 21:42:03 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F146A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"] 21:44:42 <peter1138> nini 21:45:56 *** ooo4tom [~ooo4tom@92.2.192.175] has joined #openttd 21:46:54 *** ooo4tom [~ooo4tom@92.2.192.175] has quit [] 21:47:47 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has left #openttd [/part] 21:49:48 <Eddi|zuHause3> :o ... he quit without his quitmessage! 21:50:05 <Touqen> aww 21:50:20 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 21:50:35 <Touqen> something something something necrophilia something 21:50:50 *** Chaladirnik [~Futzdf@p54A047F0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 21:51:02 *** a1271 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 21:51:07 *** a1271 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:53:49 <Sacro> it's a wonderful story with a small section about necrophilia? 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I've opened ports but the server seem not to connect with the master server. It's just "advertising" 4times in a row and nothing happens 22:27:31 *** egladil [~egladil@83.233.80.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:27:39 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-58-165-98-32.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 22:28:14 <glx> seems the ports are not open correctly 22:28:37 <sanity> I've Mkay 22:28:40 <sanity> Oh 22:28:44 <sanity> -I've 22:29:15 *** Pikka is now known as Pikka|afk 22:29:31 <sanity> Hmm, I can find it on the "Internet" list in openttd, but not on openttd.org/servers.php 22:31:24 <SpComb> sanity: have you added it manually with "Add server"? 22:31:33 <SpComb> have you opened the UDP port as well? 22:31:53 <sanity> yes, both TDP and UDP 22:32:01 <sanity> uhm, how do you mean? 22:32:11 <SpComb> the in-game server list 22:32:26 <SpComb> if you add it in there, it sticks around on the server list just like the ones fetched from the master server 22:32:52 <sanity> Mkay 22:34:53 <SpComb> is this nat port forwarding or a direct firewall? 22:35:22 *** k-man [~jason@ppp121-44-1-134.lns10.syd7.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:35:57 <sanity> Was that for me? 22:36:01 <SpComb> yes 22:36:44 <sanity> Uhm, i dunno. Just port forwarded in both my FON-router (WLAN) and my wired router 22:37:14 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-220-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:37:27 <SpComb> do you forward the same port as what openttd is running on? 22:37:53 <SpComb> iirc, if you run openttd on port 3979, you need to also forward port 3979 22:38:10 <sanity> Yes 22:38:57 <SpComb> NAT may also mangle the source port of your UDP packets 22:39:06 <SpComb> I'm trying to recall how the master server code works 22:39:13 <sanity> Mkay :P 22:39:45 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-160-186.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 22:41:02 <SpComb> indeed 22:41:29 <SpComb> if OpenTTD is running behind a NAT and sends a packet to the ms from port x, then it may well arrive at the ms with a source port of y 22:41:53 <glx> blame the router for that 22:42:00 <Rubidium> SpComb: that doesn't cause trouble 22:42:03 <SpComb> I presume this is going to happen with a 100% probability if you have two source IP addresses behind the NAT sending packets to the same destination port from the same source port 22:42:15 <SpComb> Rubidium: the masterserver looks up response packets with both ip and port 22:42:45 <Rubidium> the client sends the port that OpenTTD is listening on in an advertise message to the ms 22:43:08 <SpComb> yes, the local source port as behind the nat 22:43:21 <SpComb> the ms sends a UDP packet to port x, and then gets a reply from port y 22:43:22 <Rubidium> the ms then tries to connect to the IP of the received packet (IP might be mangled by NATs) at the IP given in the packet 22:44:00 <SpComb> although hmm 22:44:09 <SpComb> UDP NAT is more complicated than that 22:44:10 <Rubidium> if that succeeds the ms gets a reply from the server and replies back to the server over the port the advertise packet was send 22:44:35 <Rubidium> this works because of the NAT that remembers that the reply packet needs to be relayed to somewhere 22:44:54 <SpComb> that's the ms-advertise response packet which is irrelevant in this case 22:45:19 <sanity> Btw, could someone just check if you can find a server namned "My Tie Is F*ucked" in the Internet-list in OpenTTD? 22:45:24 <SpComb> my port-x-port-y example is actually wrong, because this is unsolicated udp "requests" sent to the NAT device, which aren't associated with packets sent out 22:45:29 <sanity> In that case everything is just fine 22:45:38 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has quit [Quit: ecke] 22:45:39 <Rubidium> sanity: if it is in servers.openttd.org it is, otherwise it isn't 22:46:17 <sanity> Mkay 22:46:25 <Rubidium> as it isn't at servers.openttd.org it isn't in the serverlist at clients 22:46:26 <glx> sanity: but if you give ip and port I can try to see it "manually" 22:46:55 <sanity> 81.227.194.173:3979 22:48:36 <glx> server offline 22:48:51 <glx> clearly a forwarding/firewall problem 22:48:55 <sanity> Mkay 22:50:12 <SpComb> double NAT is probably your issue 22:51:08 <sanity> mhm 22:51:58 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:54:19 *** Touqen [~stephen@c-98-216-253-146.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:01:22 *** Touqen [~stephen@c-98-216-253-146.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:14:18 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has joined #openttd 23:25:40 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499F080.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 23:28:09 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet709.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 23:30:13 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-092-073-091-063.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:33:45 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BA9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:38:02 *** blathijs [~matthijs@katherina.student.ipv6.utwente.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:38:04 *** blathijs [~matthijs@katherina.student.ipv6.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 23:47:11 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 23:49:42 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:52:31 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: http://www.interplay.com/] 23:55:14 *** egladil [~egladil@83.233.80.249] has joined #openttd 23:56:06 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B841F6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:57:52 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B84182.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:59:13 <Belugas> MKay?? is it a okay but not as positive as a okay since it's a letter minus one? M->O ? 23:59:18 <Belugas> strange... 23:59:43 <Belugas> so... same as xes ?