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00:14:46 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 00:15:50 <Pikka> ugh.. how do I change the default currency etc in OTTD? :O I knew once... 00:17:14 <Touqen> Game Options on the main menu 00:18:15 <Pikka> it doesn't seem to want to stick though 00:18:33 <Touqen> You could set it in your cnf file. 00:20:19 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485DA95.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:22:50 <Touqen> You can put currency = <currency identifier> in the [gameopt] section of openttd.cfg 00:27:31 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DE80.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:28:00 <Pikka> it doesn't work... 00:28:11 <Touqen> Are you editing the right one? 00:28:26 <Rubidium> Pikka: using trunk? 00:28:31 <Pikka> yes 00:28:49 <Rubidium> then it's probably some bug 00:29:08 <Pikka> yeah.. it works in 0.6.1 but not in trunk, even if I just copy the config over. 00:29:19 <glx> config is different 00:30:08 <Rubidium> I think I know what the problem is, just solving it takes time which I will have after I slept 00:30:21 <Pikka> yeah, it has it in [gui] in trunk, glx 00:30:25 <Pikka> but editing it there has no effect :) 00:30:45 <glx> it's not saved but it works until openttd is closed 00:31:14 <Rubidium> glx: it is saved 00:31:27 <glx> ho so it's the loading 00:31:34 <Rubidium> the quick fix is removing opntitle.dat 00:31:40 <glx> I didn't check the cfg after closing 00:32:02 <Rubidium> glx: loading is okay too, it's just loading the introgame that sets it 00:32:32 <Rubidium> as said before: I know how to solve it, but I'm too sleepy to fix it now 00:33:07 <Pikka> yeah, removing the introgame fixes it 00:33:40 <Rubidium> now sleepy time and fixy time will be tomorrow 00:33:41 <Rubidium> night 00:33:43 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B7674D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:34:18 <glx> ha something like r13336 00:35:05 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 00:35:28 *** KritiK 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*** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:29:33 <blathijs> wolfy: Are you the wolf from the forum that is working on the S60 port? 09:30:00 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:30:07 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 09:30:56 <wolfy> nope 09:31:00 *** wolfy is now known as Wolfensteijn 09:31:05 <blathijs> :-) 09:35:33 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:36:06 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [] 09:36:12 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:36:12 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 09:36:21 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:43:07 *** Hendikins [~wolfox@124.189.3.149] has quit [Quit: Any technology, no matter how primitive, is magic to those who don't understand it] 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10:03:46 <Noldo> wagon has some kind of default appearance and the optional ones that are selected by the front engine of the train? 10:05:59 <Pikka> yes noldo 10:06:47 <Noldo> but tha canset makes is not willing to make a pure generic appearance and optionals for the engines in the same set? 10:11:02 <peter1138> shocking, us petrol prices are not an all time high 10:11:11 <peter1138> at half of what we pay! 10:12:03 <Pikka> noldo: no idea, you'd have to ask the maker 10:12:03 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:12:05 <peter1138> s/not/now/ :o 10:12:08 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:16:09 *** ooo4tom is now known as Tom1 10:16:19 *** Tom1 is now known as Tom4 10:16:27 <Tom4> :@ 10:16:37 *** Tom4 is now known as Tom0004 10:22:55 *** Pikka [Pikka@58.173.248.50] has quit [] 10:25:28 <peter1138> http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8858/11462391370f38edc01ohw6.jpg 10:27:26 *** TiberiusTeng [~Tiberius@sbt.idv.tw] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:28:08 *** TiberiusTeng [~Tiberius@sbt.idv.tw] has joined #openttd 10:34:28 <Ailure> heh 10:34:31 <Ailure> that's... diffrent 10:34:48 <Ailure> Imagine the nois levels in the building though 10:34:57 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-220-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:35:48 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-220-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:40:31 <dih> say i wanted to map a clients unique_id to a company_id 10:40:38 <dih> how could i go about doing that? 10:40:46 <dih> i mean 10:41:01 <dih> what kind of var would i need 10:41:07 <Gekz> peter1138: wtf lolo 10:42:18 <dih> forget my question, have an aswer :-P 10:42:27 <Rubidium> peter1138: isn't that one in Osaka? 10:45:48 <peter1138> i have no idea 10:46:03 <Rubidium> yeah, it is: http://maps.google.co.jp/?ie=UTF8&ll=34.697987,135.489568&spn=0.004058,0.008132&t=h&z=18 10:46:26 <Rubidium> I drove in a bus on the road just behind that building 10:46:39 <TiberiusTeng> hello folks, I've updated the NewGRF GUI patch to make it horizontally scalable. 10:47:25 <TiberiusTeng> wanna play some OpenGL code from now :p 10:49:21 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@c121.tum.vpn.lrz-muenchen.de] has joined #openttd 10:49:42 <Rubidium> Ailure: Japanese cars are more silent than the stuff running in Europe (which is quiet with respect to the US) 10:50:31 <Ailure> heh perhaps 10:55:24 *** helb_ [~helb@84.244.90.203] has joined #openttd 11:00:22 <mikegrb> http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8858/11462391370f38edc01ohw6.jpg 11:00:35 <mikegrb> awww 11:00:38 <mikegrb> I too slow 11:01:20 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:08:23 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@c121.tum.vpn.lrz-muenchen.de] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 11:08:49 <peter1138> Rubidium: tyre noise is still there though 11:09:55 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.44.207] has joined #openttd 11:16:05 *** pasky 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Now that was fast. 11:41:58 <Tim> Wow, cool 11:42:09 <Tim> Time to get the next nightly ;-) 11:42:18 <planetmaker> he. next svn :) 11:42:49 <Tim> And thanks Rubidium :) Hate playing without that feature... 11:43:02 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:44:51 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:45:41 <Tim> Yes, svn... I'll see if i can work that out^^ 11:45:52 <planetmaker> which os? 11:45:58 <Tim> win32 11:46:02 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:46:12 <planetmaker> hm, sorry, no experience with developing there... 11:54:37 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@e206.tum.vpn.lrz-muenchen.de] has joined #openttd 11:56:17 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.36.Static.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 11:59:14 *** Lev [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:07:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C038.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:08:47 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r13388 /trunk/src/ (engine.cpp engine_type.h newgrf.cpp table/engines.h): -Codechange: Remove "my invented flag for something that is a wagon" 12:10:55 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|bnc 12:11:59 <orudge> "-Fix: global currency/units setting being overriden when loading a savegame." <-- hmm, I never thought of that as a bug, more as of "well, this game was played with dollars, so that's how I'm going to give it to you" :P 12:12:23 <Gekz> yeah 12:12:27 <Gekz> that's how I took it to be 12:12:36 <Gekz> but the keyword "global" 12:12:44 <orudge> ah 12:12:49 <Gekz> does that mean that savegame is that currency, but the default once you exit is still what you had it as 12:12:53 <Gekz> ? 12:12:56 <orudge> that's what I was just going to ask :p 12:12:56 <Gekz> because that's how I read it 12:13:15 <peter1138> orudge: i think it means that it overrode your defaults with whats in the game 12:13:16 <orudge> I'm guessing not, but haven't actually looked at the commit code 12:13:26 <orudge> peter1138: right 12:13:38 * orudge toodles off to Tesco 12:13:43 *** Xeryus|bnc is now known as XeryusTC 12:15:45 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-220-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:16:28 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-220-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:21:38 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-253-154.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:30:52 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 12:31:13 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@e206.tum.vpn.lrz-muenchen.de] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 12:37:32 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:37:35 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:45:30 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has left #openttd [/part] 12:47:07 *** egladil [~egladil@83.233.80.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:47:31 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:47:32 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:48:48 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-58-165-98-32.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:48:59 <TiberiusTeng> is anybody here familiar with OTTD's graphics rendering system? 12:49:08 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 12:49:18 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 12:49:23 <TiberiusTeng> I'm now trying to figure out if it caches unchanged region ... 12:49:26 <peter1138> that all depends on the real question 12:49:28 <TiberiusTeng> (looks like so) 12:49:40 <peter1138> only dirty areas are redrawn, yes. 12:50:29 <Progman> TiberiusTeng: http://docs.openttd.org/group__dirty.html 12:50:35 <TiberiusTeng> thanks. 12:51:10 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:51:21 <TiberiusTeng> so if I'm writting a blitter, I should assume that previously drawn contents never get cleared between redraw 12:52:09 <peter1138> might depend on the circumstances 12:52:52 <peter1138> from ottd's point of view, only the dirty bits are redrawn, heh 12:53:22 <TiberiusTeng> yeah that' 12:53:26 <TiberiusTeng> that's fine 12:53:32 <glx> and if there are too many dirty zones then the screen is fully redrawn 12:53:58 * peter1138 stopped work on an opengl blitter due to issues :o 12:54:06 <SmatZ> :-( 12:54:07 <TiberiusTeng> ha, that's what I'm trying now 12:54:34 <TiberiusTeng> but the infrastructure is way too biased toward a raster-based system 12:55:06 <peter1138> just a little. if you need to you can ignore the dirty areas and redraw the whole thing 12:55:12 <peter1138> but that gets slow :) 12:55:30 <TiberiusTeng> I've found a (quick) way to let GPU handle palette-based textures with fragment shaders 12:56:01 <peter1138> i didn't use shaders, just cached the palettes, heh 12:56:27 <glx> so you are using hardware acceleration? 12:56:35 <TiberiusTeng> yeah 12:57:02 <peter1138> my problems with opengl came from other windows rendering over ottd 12:57:10 <peter1138> with no event to handle that 12:57:16 <peter1138> in theory it should be simple really 12:57:21 <TiberiusTeng> I think it's very possible to draw original GRF color-animated sprites along with 32-bit PNG sprites very fast 12:57:22 <peter1138> just repaint the whole lot 12:57:31 <peter1138> it is easily possible 12:57:43 <peter1138> well, maybe not animated 12:57:48 <peter1138> that requires reblitting sprites 12:57:53 <TiberiusTeng> but after digging into the code these days, I think bottleneck will be elsewhere ... 12:58:03 <TiberiusTeng> yeah, I can use shaders to do that 12:58:06 <TiberiusTeng> on GPU 12:58:12 <peter1138> nice 12:58:21 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.28] has joined #openttd 12:58:22 <Gekz> what about MNG 12:58:29 <peter1138> not supporting palette animation is no biggy, most people turn it off :) 12:58:49 <Gekz> MNG is moving PNGs 12:58:58 <peter1138> the partial drawing of textures is annoying 12:59:00 <TiberiusTeng> then it don't look like 'original' :p and TTRS have some very good animated buildings too 12:59:02 *** Tom0004 [~Tom@92.2.192.175] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:59:20 <Rubidium> palette animation != animation 12:59:47 <TiberiusTeng> right now I'm doing it very naively, treating a sprite as a texture, and using texture coordinates to crop out where I want 12:59:53 <Rubidium> smoke, explosions, industries = animation, water and fire = palette animation 13:00:13 <glx> crossings lights too 13:00:14 <SmatZ> and lighthouse, crossing, right? 13:00:18 <TiberiusTeng> if I got some working screenshots I'll post it here ... 13:00:19 <peter1138> even so, ttrs has some pretty well palette animated buildings :p 13:00:30 <Rubidium> true 13:00:37 <Rubidium> but so do the default graphics 13:02:47 <TiberiusTeng> I'm also wondering if 32bpp branch will support MNG/ANGs ... :p 13:02:55 <TiberiusTeng> looks like quite a lot of work, though 13:03:03 <Gekz> isnt the 23bpp branch dead? 13:03:07 <Gekz> 32* 13:03:18 <TiberiusTeng> ahh, already merged? 13:03:28 <blathijs> MNG? 13:03:42 *** egladil [~egladil@83.233.80.249] has joined #openttd 13:03:43 <TiberiusTeng> seems so, or I won't have these blitters sitting around ... :p 13:08:15 <Belugas> 32bpp branch is not merged. rather, the current 32bpp code (and other blitters) has been kinda rewritten 13:12:03 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 13:13:11 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-253-154.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:17:36 <peter1138> hey, i got r13388 13:17:44 <peter1138> all the wrong numbers doubled :o 13:17:48 <orudge> but not r1138? 13:17:57 <peter1138> well that was before my time 13:17:59 <SmatZ> :-) 13:18:01 <orudge> pfftg. 13:18:05 <orudge> excuses. 13:18:08 <peter1138> i know, i should commit in the past 13:21:21 <TiberiusTeng> ha 13:29:23 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:29:40 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:29:40 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 13:36:52 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 13:37:53 *** lobstar_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:57:13 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489E1B9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:59:37 *** planetmaker is now known as pm|away 14:00:03 *** pm|away is now known as planetmaker 14:04:16 *** McHawk [~hawk@p5489EF87.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:06:37 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:07:42 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 14:13:29 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has joined #openttd 14:14:07 <iAN_> when I don't see the busses (two busses, the standard graphics) when they move from right to left, or in lists and menus, whom do I report that? The busses are visible on the map when they drive in one of the other 7 directions. 14:14:55 <glx> version? 14:14:57 <glx> any grfs? 14:15:30 <iAN_> current version, all ECS grfs and some others 14:15:44 <glx> "current" is not a version ;) 14:15:52 <iAN_> 0.6.1 (?) 14:16:03 <SmatZ> probably missing sprite for one direction 14:16:25 <glx> or a grf conflict 14:16:53 <glx> we need at least a savegame to know 14:17:10 <iAN_> well.. thats the least problem =) 14:17:19 <iAN_> put it where? 14:17:25 <iAN_> dcc to you? 14:17:32 <glx> if you want 14:18:13 <glx> timeout 14:18:55 <iAN_> okay. 14:18:59 <iAN_> www.pordi.de/ECS.sav 14:20:53 <glx> grr and windows is again playing with readonly 14:22:20 <Rubidium> office 2007? 14:23:08 <glx> no 14:29:03 <glx> ok there's a problem 14:29:23 <glx> but I don't know why yet 14:34:59 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet641.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 14:45:19 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-58-165-98-32.qld.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 14:48:14 *** shodan [~user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 14:54:55 <Wolfensteijn> hehe, one factory, producing almost 10k of goods... 14:55:02 <Wolfensteijn> 9,993 to be exact 14:55:14 <glx> give it more materials 14:57:41 <Wolfensteijn> all steel and farm stuff is already being deliverd there 14:58:57 <Wolfensteijn> http://flickr.com/photos/wolfensteijn/2553093081/sizes/o/ 15:01:00 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:01:03 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.44.207] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:04:57 *** eemeli [~yea@cs181077142.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 15:05:06 <eemeli> how do i disable breakdowns? 15:08:15 *** iAN_ [~UNIX@212.223.130.65] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:08:46 <Progman> in the game settings 15:08:51 <Progman> (not the patch settings) 15:09:18 <eemeli> ok found it thx 15:16:27 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.36.Static.ssp.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:18:28 <TiberiusTeng> I've drawed the mouse cursor ... a start ... 15:18:51 <TiberiusTeng> seems I won't have any further progress if I can't render-to-texture or do something like that :p 15:19:39 <Gekz> Wolfensteijn: thats insane 15:19:42 <Gekz> lol 15:19:49 <Wolfensteijn> yes it is 15:19:52 <Wolfensteijn> but I like it that way :) 15:21:09 <Belugas> only 70% transported? bof... i went to 90% once 15:21:35 <Belugas> but it does look like an efficient station(s) tough 15:21:36 <Wolfensteijn> ha! got 10,054 crates of goods there now :D 15:22:37 <Wolfensteijn> http://wolf.a61.nl/openttd/wolfensteijn.sav for the latest savegam 15:22:40 <Wolfensteijn> savegame 15:22:45 <Wolfensteijn> runs in 0.6.1 rc-2 15:22:46 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@d230.tum.vpn.lrz-muenchen.de] has joined #openttd 15:24:10 <Wolfensteijn> the effiency could be better 15:24:20 <Wolfensteijn> but I refuse to demolish everything, and build a 100% efficient network 15:27:35 <Wolfensteijn> anyone now looking at that game? 15:28:16 <Belugas> at work? nevar 15:28:38 <Wolfensteijn> aaah :( 15:31:19 <Tim> Try to play with Realistic Acceleration 15:31:19 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:31:29 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:31:34 <Tim> Much more fun 15:32:05 <Gekz> i always enable it 15:32:41 *** LA [~purple@pc14.host23.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 15:33:04 <Wolfensteijn> Tim> realistic acceleration is enabled 15:34:28 <Tim> With all those 2*45 degree curves? 15:34:49 <Gekz> :O 15:34:51 <Gekz> SIN 15:35:04 <Wolfensteijn> yeah :) 15:35:17 <Wolfensteijn> slowly working on replacing those, where possible 15:36:53 *** GoneWacko [GoneWacko@86-60-148-44-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 15:37:05 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:38:00 <Tim> Oo... Well Good luck 15:39:21 <Eddi|zuHause3> oh i hate stations like this... 15:39:36 *** murr4y [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::ea7:beef] has joined #openttd 15:39:41 <Wolfensteijn> I'm constantly revising my network, so yeah, those cornes will get changed, sometime in the future ;) 15:39:42 * Ammler need to test TiberiusTeng modification of the GRF GUI. 15:39:47 <Wolfensteijn> Eddi|zuHause3> what for stations? 15:41:28 <Eddi|zuHause3> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Ravenswald%20Transport,%2029.%20Dez%201955.png 15:43:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Erlangen%20Transport,%2012.%20Jul%201933.png 15:43:46 <Wolfensteijn> what's wrong with them? 15:44:17 <Eddi|zuHause3> they are nice, yours is wrong ;) 15:44:34 <Wolfensteijn> I'm not doing it for the realism ;) 15:45:02 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37EBD1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:45:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> i'm not either, i'm doing it for the aesthetics ;) 15:46:10 <Wolfensteijn> optimizations and problem solving is what I do it for :) 15:47:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> i do optimisation, too ;) 15:47:38 <Wolfensteijn> I like the chaotic view of my network ;) 15:47:40 <Eddi|zuHause3> just on much stronger bounds ;) 15:48:14 <Ammler> TiberiusTeng: nice! (one little wish: possibility to order with the path ;-) 15:49:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> Path! I order you! 15:54:46 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:55:58 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@d230.tum.vpn.lrz-muenchen.de] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 15:58:44 <Ammler> hmm, well, you know what I mean... :;-) 15:59:28 <TiberiusTeng> alright, I'll put that in mind ;) 16:00:30 <Ammler> :-) thank you very much 16:04:31 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37eed.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:06:56 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:13:47 *** UnderBuilder [~srverror@168.226.104.43] has joined #openttd 16:14:56 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 16:15:00 <UnderBuilder> question: is possible to emulate diagonal roads by making roads not turn in one and other direction in zig-zag roads? 16:17:09 <SmatZ> no 16:17:31 <SmatZ> RVs still will go as it was a zig-zag sprite 16:20:28 <LA> but how hard would it be to remove the zagging? 16:20:36 <LA> and zigging 16:21:05 <peter1138> have a go ;) 16:21:27 *** blaab [~Oblivious@3E339CE3.dslaccess.aol.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:22:42 *** blaab [~Oblivious@3E339CE3.dslaccess.aol.com] has joined #openttd 16:23:21 *** LA_ [~purple@ip235.cab20.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 16:24:41 *** LA is now known as Guest1464 16:24:41 *** LA_ is now known as LA 16:27:18 <TiberiusTeng> http://sbt.idv.tw/temp/080606-ottdgl.jpg 16:28:48 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d00accf.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:28:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> that is about what i expected :p 16:30:36 *** Guest1464 [~purple@pc14.host23.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:30:46 <TiberiusTeng> it's still a long way toward playable ... 16:31:07 <TiberiusTeng> but it have sound, everything moves ... heck, I can even configure patches :p 16:38:39 <UnderBuilder> why when I do apt-get install openttd it tries to install me version 0.6.0? 16:38:40 <Ammler> hehe, the new grf gui from TiberiusTeng can be smaller then the current one. 16:40:11 <Touqen> UnderBuilder: Depends on whether the package maintainer made a 0.6.1 package 16:42:07 <Ammler> because debian builds are slow, you can try with suse packman, they often made the package too early. ;-) 16:44:13 <Ammler> http://packman.links2linux.de/package/openttd 16:46:17 <Rubidium> UnderBuilder: because it's not gone through the Debian build system 16:46:54 <Rubidium> it needs to be at least 10 days in unstable before it can go to testing 16:48:41 <TiberiusTeng> using OpenGL to blit back to memory is much more complicated than I anticipated ... 16:48:59 <TiberiusTeng> but looks like it do reduce CPU usage alot :D 16:52:40 <peter1138> hmm 16:52:50 <peter1138> TiberiusTeng: http://fuzzle.org/o/dump/ <-- my opengl stuff is in there 16:52:54 <peter1138> no pics any more though 16:54:42 <peter1138> dunno if it might help, but it does actually draw everything properly ;p 16:55:14 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r13389 /trunk/src/ (news_gui.cpp news_type.h): -Codechange: remove NM_CALLBACK because that information could be gathered from the fact that a callback has been specified. Patch by Cirdan. 16:55:31 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37eed.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 16:57:28 <TiberiusTeng> thanks 17:04:41 <Ammler> peter1138: I saw, you included some overrides in openttd?.grf, can I suggest an other combination or should I create a GRF :-) (USSet with ECS) 17:05:26 <Ammler> (could make the patch, if you like) 17:07:36 <Ammler> http://paste.openttd.org/13843 17:07:58 <Ammler> (not the patch, just the GRFs, I spoke about 17:17:21 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489E1B9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:19:32 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499FC15.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:20:01 <Ammler> peter1138: and the patch: http://paste.openttd.org/13845 17:24:27 *** Slowpoke [Lobster@dslb-088-073-242-044.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:25:02 *** birdspider [~birdspide@chello062178009208.4.11.tuwien.teleweb.at] has joined #openttd 17:25:43 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 17:27:54 *** TiberiusTeng [~Tiberius@sbt.idv.tw] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:31:20 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:33:57 <peter1138> DEAD :o 17:36:15 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-220-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:36:40 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-220-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:37:20 *** TiberiusTeng [~Tiberius@sbt.idv.tw] has joined #openttd 17:37:35 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@82-169-234-175.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:40:28 *** UnderBuilder [~srverror@168.226.104.43] has quit [Quit: Hasta siempre! Viva Linux!] 17:48:57 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-120-111-117.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 17:48:57 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1480 17:48:58 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 17:53:28 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499FC15.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 17:56:01 *** Guest1480 [~Dale@pool-71-120-111-117.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:08:12 *** DRebellion [~DRebellio@host86-136-124-13.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:08:26 <DRebellion> =/ 18:08:39 <DRebellion> Bit of a problem: my trains go into depots, but then they won't come out : ( 18:09:54 <Prof_Frink> DRebellion: Is there another train in the signal block? 18:10:06 <DRebellion> No idea what that means 18:10:09 <DRebellion> Prof_Frink 18:10:23 <Prof_Frink> On the same track, without passing a signal 18:10:43 <DRebellion> Prof_Frink, I haven't specifically laid any signals? 18:10:53 <DRebellion> *noob alert* 18:11:27 <hylje> signals are those funky green-red poles 18:11:29 <Eddi|zuHause3> only one train is allowed on the track 18:11:29 <Prof_Frink> What happens if you put a signal on the track each side of the depot branch? 18:11:47 <Eddi|zuHause3> i suggest a screenshot ;) 18:11:48 <hylje> the game lets only one train go on one delimited block at a time 18:11:58 *** elmex [~elmex@e180067081.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:12:30 <DRebellion> It's leaving 18:12:31 <DRebellion> !!! 18:12:43 <DRebellion> hylje, Eddi|zuHause3, Prof_Frink, thanks : ) 18:12:51 * DRebellion goes to place signals EVERYWHERE 18:12:53 *** elmex [~elmex@e180078067.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:12:59 <hylje> watch out for deadlocks 18:13:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> have fun :p 18:13:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> there are good guides out there where you should place signals and where not 18:13:50 <DRebellion> ok 18:15:44 <Touqen> rawr 18:16:19 <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause3, doyou have e general direction for those guides? at least one ;) 18:17:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Building_signals for starters maybe ;) 18:18:01 <Belugas> ho... i'll bookmark it for my own knowledge :D thanks a lot 18:20:57 *** elmex [~elmex@e180078067.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:21:31 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-28-236.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 18:21:52 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-120-111-117.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 18:21:53 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1485 18:21:53 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 18:22:17 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:26:39 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-98-223-75-242.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:26:39 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1487 18:26:39 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 18:28:26 *** Guest1485 [~Dale@pool-71-120-111-117.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:31:05 *** helb_ [~helb@84.244.90.203] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:31:08 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has joined #openttd 18:32:26 *** Guest1487 [~Dale@pool-71-120-111-117.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:33:38 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:33:38 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:33:40 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 18:36:09 *** helb_ [~helb@84.244.90.203] has joined #openttd 18:36:34 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-75-242.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:38:14 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-75-242.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:41:17 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-98-223-75-242.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:41:17 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1491 18:41:17 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 18:41:20 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:41:24 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has joined #openttd 18:42:41 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-146-129.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:46:26 <eemeli> i have 2 stations near an oil refinery, 1 for dropping oil and 1 for loading goods 18:47:00 <eemeli> a goods train went thru the drop station (by accident) and now the refinery divides the goods, half for the drop and half for the load D:< 18:47:17 <eemeli> is there a way to force it not to use the dropping station for storing goods? 18:47:27 *** Guest1491 [~Dale@c-98-223-75-242.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:47:35 <Belugas> no 18:47:55 <Belugas> aprat from making sure no other trains are picking it on the wrong station 18:48:00 <Belugas> only time will do that 18:48:18 <eemeli> no one uses it 18:48:25 *** helb_ [~helb@84.244.90.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:48:34 <eemeli> 1 train used it because i modified the tracks and didnt stop it in time 18:48:38 <Belugas> you could eventually use a autosave and restart from there... 18:48:39 <eemeli> but that was years ago 18:49:56 * frosch123 thinks of DaleStan's list of missing sign-cheats in ottd 18:50:28 <LA> if no trains will pick it up, the ratings will go very low and eventually the distribution stops 18:50:51 <LA> and it doesn't distribut 50/50 I'm certain 18:54:10 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-98-223-75-242.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:54:11 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1495 18:54:11 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 18:57:22 *** egladil [~egladil@83.233.80.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:57:58 *** Ragnak [fdsafdas@cm-81-9-166-29.telecable.es] has joined #openttd 19:00:13 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a41648.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:00:16 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 19:00:29 *** Guest1495 [~Dale@c-98-223-75-242.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:03:10 *** egladil [~egladil@83.233.80.249] has joined #openttd 19:06:10 <Sacro> zomg an egladil 19:06:21 <egladil> :p 19:06:29 * Sacro goes to eat 19:06:36 <egladil> lol 19:14:38 *** Zealotus [~Ping@217-211-211-179-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:14:57 * Bjarni arrests Sacro for attempting cannibalism 19:15:00 <Bjarni> hmm 19:15:02 <Bjarni> no good 19:15:05 *** Zealotus [~Ping@217-211-211-179-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 19:15:19 <Bjarni> it would mean that both would have to be human beings 19:15:37 <peter1138> bjarni 19:15:44 <Bjarni> peter1138 19:15:47 <Prof_Frink> bjarni bjarni bjarni 19:15:55 <Bjarni> peter1138 peter1138 peter1138 19:15:59 <Bjarni> err 19:16:01 <Bjarni> oops 19:16:09 <Bjarni> Prof_Frink Prof_Frink Prof_Frink 19:16:09 <Prof_Frink> [FAIL] 19:17:49 <hylje> epic fail!!! 19:18:13 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-98-223-75-242.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:18:13 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1499 19:18:14 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 19:19:07 *** Guest1499 [~Dale@c-98-223-75-242.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:24:22 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-146-129.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 19:29:28 *** LA [~purple@ip235.cab20.ltln.starman.ee] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:30:24 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:35:01 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-75-242.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:38:27 *** helb_ [~helb@84.244.90.203] has joined #openttd 19:38:50 *** birdspider [~birdspide@chello062178009208.4.11.tuwien.teleweb.at] has left #openttd [Verlassend] 19:45:27 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:49:15 *** ooo4tom [~Tom@92.2.192.175] has joined #openttd 19:50:41 *** neli [micha@82-171-80-171.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:56:23 *** neli [micha@82-171-80-171.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:01:33 *** ooo4tom is now known as Tom0004 20:01:37 *** Tom0004 [~Tom@92.2.192.175] has left #openttd [] 20:07:28 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:08:15 *** DRebellion [~DRebellio@host86-136-124-13.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: quitting] 20:13:41 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:13:41 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 20:25:28 *** Tom0004 [~Tom@92.2.192.175] has joined #openttd 20:41:28 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.39 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 20:48:36 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d00accf.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:49:34 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-120-111-117.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 20:55:05 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: glx * r13390 /trunk/src/ (19 files in 4 dirs): 20:55:05 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Codechange: introduce usererror() for fatal but not openttd related errors. Now 20:55:05 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: all error() will 'crash' openttd after showing the message in win32 releases 20:55:05 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: (MSVC), creating a crash.log and crash.dmp (like the '!' hack used before). On 20:55:05 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: the other hand, usererror() will just close the game. So use error() only when 20:55:05 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: it can be helpful to debugging, else use usererror(). 21:08:30 *** Slowpoke [Lobster@dslb-088-073-242-044.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:09:05 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a41648.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:19:01 <eemeli> is there any way to unload a newgrf without having to start a new game 21:19:24 <Eddi|zuHause3> depends on the kind of newgrf 21:19:38 <Eddi|zuHause3> there's a newgrf setting available from within the game 21:19:58 <Eddi|zuHause3> but it is more than likely to wreak havoc 21:20:23 <eemeli> well the grf shows disabled in the newgrf settings window 21:20:29 <eemeli> but the remove button is grey 21:20:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> even when you click on the grf? 21:20:49 <eemeli> yes 21:21:01 <Tom0004> screeny ? 21:21:07 <glx> is it a network game? 21:21:11 <eemeli> yes 21:21:16 <glx> that's why 21:21:39 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 21:21:49 <glx> you can't modify newgrfs on a running network game 21:22:08 <glx> as it can cause desyncs 21:22:20 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-092-073-093-229.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 21:22:52 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5703C.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:23:35 <eemeli> i saved, loaded the game in singleplayer, removed the grf, saved, loaded in multiplayer and its gone :d 21:23:53 <eemeli> but im still not getting electric trains :( 21:23:59 <eemeli> stupid grf 21:24:19 <Eddi|zuHause3> you still have not said what kind of grf 21:24:21 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499FA33.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:24:29 <eemeli> um 21:24:33 <eemeli> uk trains renewal or something 21:24:41 <Tom0004> UKRS ? 21:24:47 <glx> ukrs has electric engines 21:24:48 <eemeli> yes that one 21:24:56 <Eddi|zuHause3> changing a vehicle grf may require to do "resetengines" on the console 21:24:58 * Sacro unleashes a 91 21:25:09 <eemeli> the grf was disabled in the list 21:25:16 <eemeli> said that there was some parameter error for climate 21:25:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes, it will not work in tropical climate 21:25:35 <glx> it's designed for temperate 21:25:44 <Tom0004> if it was disable, then it wasn't being used ? :s 21:25:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> and in tropical climate, the default vehicles do not provide any electrics 21:26:00 <eemeli> D:> 21:26:57 <eemeli> guess i found that out the hard way 21:27:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> it would most likely tell that in the wiki ;) 21:28:30 <Tom0004> moe then lilky tell you on the autors homepage for UKRS 21:28:53 <Tom0004> http://www.pikkarail.com/ttdp/ukrs/download.htm 21:28:57 <glx> or in the readme :) 21:29:04 <glx> I'm sure there's one 21:29:05 <Eddi|zuHause3> or in his wiki 21:29:19 <Tom0004> UKRS is for temp, and arc climates 21:29:31 <Tom0004> parameter detting 1 21:29:54 <Tom0004> personal note : forgive the spelling, i;ve been drink :( 21:30:08 <glx> so you're drunk ;) 21:30:46 <Tom0004> in away yeah, cold night for me on the sofa lol 21:31:08 <eemeli> i used the cheat menu to switch the climate and now i have electrics :)))) 21:31:39 <Eddi|zuHause3> i would really suggest you to start a new game :p 21:32:13 <eemeli> i spent too much time on that one station D: 21:32:26 <glx> climate cheat may break things 21:32:41 <eemeli> well it filled the land with snow 21:32:45 <eemeli> other than that im good 21:33:02 <Tom0004> any chance you could post a screenshot of this station ? 21:33:46 <eemeli> ok just a sec 21:34:07 <Eddi|zuHause3> eemeli: different climates have totally different cargo and industry systems, i doubt you'll get very far 21:34:29 *** jez [bobbit@87-194-212-214.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:34:31 *** jez is now known as jez9999 21:34:40 <jez9999> God... i just spent over 2 hours debugging a .net app. eventually discovered that the sudden losses of session state were because the site was configured to use an app pool with multiple worker processes and my app wasn't using the ASP state server :-( 21:35:59 <eemeli> http://koti.mbnet.fi/nuntius/yea/station.png 21:36:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> that is the ugliest thing i have seen all day 21:37:29 <eemeli> ty 21:37:41 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B789B1.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:38:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> no, really, it's even worse than Wolfensteijn's 21:38:59 <eemeli> D:< be gentle im new 21:39:03 <Eddi|zuHause3> http://www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Ravenswald%20Transport,%2029.%20Dez%201955.png <- this is what a station should look like 21:39:25 <eemeli> also my friend said that his food stations dont give food anymore :/ 21:39:29 *** Touqen [~stephen@c-98-216-253-146.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:39:30 <eemeli> so i guess its time for a new game 21:39:39 <Eddi|zuHause3> http://www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Erlangen%20Transport,%2012.%20Jul%201933.png <- or this 21:39:41 *** Kiloman [~brandond@tyrant.nic.uoregon.edu] has joined #openttd 21:40:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> eemeli: i told you it will screw up industries and cargos 21:40:14 <Rubidium> ancient version alert :) 21:41:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> that last one was probably with gonozal's patch pack, so 12180 or something 21:41:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> the first one is even older 21:41:40 <glx> yeah transparency GUI looks different ;) 21:42:13 <eemeli> lol water towers provide steel now 21:42:30 <glx> [23:32:27] <+glx> climate cheat may break things 21:43:29 <Tom0004> thats a funky station, not to start a new game lol 21:44:13 <Eddi|zuHause3> the first game i started with a newindustries testing version a little while before it was merged to trunk 21:44:34 <Rubidium> and some MiniIN parts 21:44:35 <Eddi|zuHause3> but that screenshot is newer, it already has diagonal foundations 21:44:52 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@82-169-234-175.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:45:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> no, the Ravenswald game was loadable with trunk most of the time 21:45:28 <Eddi|zuHause3> the snow is from alpine grf 21:47:29 <Eddi|zuHause3> it was a trunk game from the time newindustries was merged, to the time yapp (v3, i think) was released 21:48:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> only a few non-savegame-changing patches were applied 21:48:44 *** Touqen [~stephen@c-98-216-253-146.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:50:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> http://www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Johannes%20Transporte,%2014.%20Aug%201923.png <- this was my MiniIN game 21:50:24 <Eddi|zuHause3> although it was already an "unclean" MiniIN (with bridges patch) 21:50:42 *** Farden [~jk3farden@ram94-7-82-232-189-236.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:53:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> i kinda miss the diagonal road crossings, but they are just not possible anymore 22:14:39 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@82-169-234-175.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:15:48 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C038.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:20:36 <jez9999> i never understand people who think big, grey monstrosities are 'nice stations' 22:20:40 <jez9999> sorry, they're shit 22:20:50 <jez9999> i like relatively discreet stations 22:20:58 <jez9999> without rooves so i can see the trains 22:21:23 <jez9999> roofs rather 22:23:50 <SmatZ> :) 22:26:37 *** birdspider [~birdspide@chello062178009208.4.11.tuwien.teleweb.at] has joined #openttd 22:29:33 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@5ad46214.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 22:31:01 <Vikthor> It's not about wheter it has roof or not, it's more about rail layout 22:32:46 <Vikthor> Then again, it depends on the type of station, for something small where stops one railbus per hour, such grey monstrosity is surely bad, but for central station in a big city, why not? 22:34:57 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ad4623b.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:34:57 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 22:40:38 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:47:20 *** Ragnak [fdsafdas@cm-81-9-166-29.telecable.es] has quit [] 22:50:06 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:50:36 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:55:21 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-120-111-117.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:59:01 <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause3, the global variables that you mentionned is not exactly the same that mb was referring to ;) 22:59:32 <Belugas> i guess you were talking about those in the sources of ottd, while he was talking about the ones handled by the grfs 23:07:52 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F1628.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"] 23:08:20 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:10:15 *** birdspider [~birdspide@chello062178009208.4.11.tuwien.teleweb.at] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:11:52 *** birdspider [~birdspide@chello062178009208.4.11.tuwien.teleweb.at] has joined #openttd 23:14:10 *** Tom0004 [~Tom@92.2.192.175] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:20:40 *** GoneWacko [GoneWacko@86-60-148-44-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has quit [] 23:24:24 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-092-073-093-229.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:28:13 *** jez9999 [bobbit@87-194-212-214.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 23:29:36 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 23:30:11 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 23:36:05 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499FA33.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:48:20 <Kiloman> I have a question about transfers... does it reset the travel distance? 23:48:45 <Kiloman> say I have two farms, one within 20 tiles of a factory, and another 120 away 23:49:05 <Kiloman> if I run the further away farm through the closer farm and transfer the goods there 23:49:18 <Kiloman> are they worth 120 tiles, or 20 tiles, when dropped off at the factory? 23:50:00 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-58-165-98-32.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:50:30 <glx> cargo packets remember their origin 23:51:11 <Kiloman> okay... I was seeing like 12k in transfer credits on the feeder, but only like 5k on the final delivery 23:51:32 <Kiloman> are cargo packets a FIFO? 23:51:53 *** PhoenixII [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 23:52:06 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:52:20 <glx> maybe the last section is loosing money 23:53:56 <Kiloman> as in, the short-haul packets are highly penalized and are detracting from the value of the further ones? 23:54:38 <Rubidium> no, transporting packets away from the destination is penalized 23:55:39 <Kiloman> oh really 23:55:59 <glx> there's an optimal distance for each speed 23:56:12 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B841F0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:56:36 <Kiloman> I thought it was just distance from origin to destination 23:57:01 <Kiloman> and then corrected for early/late penalties 23:57:47 <Rubidium> Kiloman: if you move something from the southern tip of map to the northern tip of the map the and transfer it there vehicle gets a virtual profit for that distance (which is equal to the transfer credit) 23:58:10 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B841D8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:58:41 <Kiloman> right but that's just for show to keep from having trains run in the red on feeders 23:58:51 <Rubidium> if you move that cargo no to the eastern tip of the map that last vehicle will have a negative profit because the distance south->east is less than the distance south->north (which is the transfer credit) 23:59:34 <Kiloman> right but the transfer credit doesn't actually go in the bank, right? 23:59:39 <Rubidium> nope 23:59:43 <Rubidium> it's just for show