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00:05:31 <Belugas> compilage time 00:05:46 <Belugas> testifying the beautifying 00:06:13 <Sacro> def get_tomorrow_date(): 00:06:13 <Sacro> time.sleep(86400) 00:06:13 <Sacro> return time.localtime() 00:06:43 <dragonhorseboy> :) 00:07:24 *** Brainstorm is now known as Guest2542 00:07:24 *** Brainstorm [~Brainstor@82-171-5-111.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 00:09:55 *** fmauNeko is now known as fmauNekAway 00:11:42 *** Guest2542 [~Brainstor@82-171-5-111.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:16:04 *** dvo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 00:16:04 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:18:44 *** adam- [~adam__@221.220.56.132] has joined #openttd 00:19:46 *** dragonhorseboy [4a396fef@67.207.141.120] has left #openttd [] 00:28:38 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FEF9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:29:59 *** fmauNekAway is now known as fmauNeko 00:32:49 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74B6F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:10 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76375.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:33:31 <adam-> Good morning. I'm looking to get/use the Cargo Destination patch. On the forum it says I should come here and ask for directions, so here I am... 00:33:57 <glx> can you compile? 00:34:03 <adam-> yep 00:34:25 <adam-> I have Mercurial too 00:34:37 <glx> http://arwen.fvfischer.de:8000/ 00:34:39 <glx> it's there 00:35:07 <glx> you'll need boost too 00:35:20 <adam-> ok 00:37:42 *** KurtKraut [~ktk@gateway.kurtkraut.net] has joined #openttd 00:41:02 *** Amixbook [~Amix2008@106.80-203-44.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:42:11 *** Amixbook [~Amix2008@106.80-203-44.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 01:00:46 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ad5.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:01:25 *** jni [~geetee@cs181040004.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 01:07:50 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has joined #openttd 01:12:37 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B835EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:14:10 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B80D8B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 01:17:28 *** dvo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:20:15 <Belugas> i think i've never seen as much buzz around a patch than that one :) 01:27:07 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577AFA60.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 01:29:18 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: belugas * r14104 /trunk/ (13 files in 4 dirs): 01:29:18 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: -Feature: Add a window for waypoints, allowing to view all the trains having the selected waypoint in their orders. 01:29:18 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: Changing its name is also supported from the same new window. 01:29:18 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: Gui based on work done by Satyap, on FS#2025. 01:33:00 *** fmauNeko is now known as fmauNekAway 01:38:25 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: belugas * r14105 /trunk/src/ (8 files in 3 dirs): 01:38:25 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: -Fix: Some typos that are more grammatical errors, as it seems. 01:38:25 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: Provided by ln 01:38:25 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: I've added a little fix on currency.cpp too, why not :) 01:42:35 <Sacro> http://www.heyokay.com/wp-content/images/manual.jpg 01:51:29 *** Sacro is now known as Sacro|Here 01:53:19 <Belugas> hehe... been at home, i can use your links, Sacro|Here :D 02:06:33 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-150-046.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 02:12:16 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-166-215.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:12:27 <Sacro|Here> Belugas: you there :\ 02:12:43 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 02:15:14 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Quit: Quit] 02:18:21 <Sacro|Here> Anyone around? :| 02:19:18 <Belugas> i am 02:19:20 <Belugas> just.. 02:19:25 <Belugas> browsing the forums 02:19:28 <Belugas> and you? 02:19:38 <Sacro|Here> Belugas: i have a self supplying food processing plant 02:19:45 <Sacro|Here> it produces goods 02:19:49 <Sacro|Here> yet nothing is going in 02:19:58 <Belugas> lucky you :) 02:20:15 <Belugas> magical industry! 02:20:18 <Sacro|Here> bug? 02:21:57 <Belugas> dunno 02:22:10 <Belugas> can you reproduce? 02:22:16 <Sacro|Here> well 02:22:17 <Sacro|Here> not sure 02:22:28 <Sacro|Here> can you check out Brianetta's standard server? 02:22:46 <Sacro|Here> http://ppcis.org/standard/grfs.zip is needed 02:22:48 <Sacro|Here> and 0.6.2 02:23:42 <Belugas> no, i cannot right now 02:23:48 <Sacro|Here> mine is producting 580T of goods a month 02:23:52 <Sacro|Here> with nothing going in 02:24:06 <Sacro|Here> so either they are breeding animals themself 02:24:13 <Sacro|Here> or using the population of the local town 02:26:20 <Sacro|Here> Belugas: it's running out now :( 02:26:53 <Belugas> hehe 02:26:57 <Sacro|Here> nope 02:27:02 <Sacro|Here> something is slowly trickling in 02:27:06 <Sacro|Here> it's getting provided 02:27:13 <Sacro|Here> yet there's no stations in the area supplying 02:40:11 <Belugas> there are NO BUHS in Openttd!! 02:40:14 <Belugas> BUGS 02:40:18 <Belugas> pffff.... 02:40:20 <Belugas> rrrr 02:40:21 <Belugas> zzzzz 02:40:23 <Belugas> off 02:41:50 *** Sacro|Here [Ben@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:47:41 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E801.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:08:57 *** breily [~brian@c-69-243-18-122.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 03:31:54 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:46:07 *** jni [~geetee@cs181040004.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:21:58 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: http://www.interplay.com/] 04:40:51 *** breily [~brian@c-69-243-18-122.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:46:31 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e176238252.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 04:58:21 *** Reemo [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0DC43.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.lagerwiki.de - das Wiki rund um's Thema Lager und Logistik] 05:19:26 *** DJNekkid [~chatzilla@static128-249.adsl.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:19:28 *** DJNekkid_ [~chatzilla@static128-249.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 05:19:29 *** DJNekkid_ is now known as DJNekkid 05:48:58 *** DJNekkid [~chatzilla@static128-249.adsl.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:57:13 <adam-> If I find a bug in the Cargo Destination patch, where would I file that at? 06:00:09 <dih> tell Celestar and/or peter1138 06:00:41 *** Amixbook [~Amix2008@106.80-203-44.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 06:21:42 *** Tim [83dc24f1@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 06:22:14 *** Sir-Bob [~chatzilla@c122-107-227-146.eburwd5.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:38:05 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has joined #openttd 06:38:08 <Celestar> morning 06:38:50 <Forked> moornin 06:39:59 <peter1138> Hi. 06:40:30 *** mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 06:54:41 <Celestar> hey peter1138 06:54:44 <Celestar> any news? 06:56:48 <peter1138> Yeah, I resolved my sprite issues but in an ugly way :o 06:57:12 <Celestar> :( 06:57:20 <Celestar> I've had an idea for a more useful station view mode 06:58:02 <Celestar> especially on very large and busy maps 07:05:52 *** Tim [83dc24f1@67.207.141.120] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 07:07:59 <Celestar> so far, I'm not having much luck :P 07:08:02 *** Brainstorm [~Brainstor@82-171-5-111.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:08:12 * Forked is high on coffee 07:08:12 <planetmaker> morning 07:09:38 <peter1138> What's the idea? 07:10:27 <Celestar> peter1138: having a tree-like view 07:10:47 <peter1138> Tree-like? 07:11:09 <peter1138> Make a mockup ;) 07:12:40 <Celestar> already doing so ;) 07:14:05 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 07:17:26 <peter1138> Crap, committed too much :/ 07:18:33 <peter1138> Just need to do bridges/stations/waypoints/depots properly... 07:19:15 <peter1138> And level crossings :o 07:19:27 *** mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:25:10 <Celestar> peter1138: SpComb: http://www.fvfischer.de/treeview.png 07:26:54 <planetmaker> looks interesting, Celestar :) 07:27:07 <Celestar> not *quite* perfect 07:29:34 <planetmaker> it would be even better, if it could be graphically enhanced like in some forums with thread indentation: 07:30:11 <Celestar> enhanced, how? 07:30:22 <Celestar> first of all the order is not correct, that's the worse problem 07:30:34 <planetmaker> main 07:30:35 <planetmaker> |-1st dest 07:30:37 <planetmaker> | |-1.1st dest 07:30:39 <planetmaker> | |-1.2nd dest 07:30:40 <planetmaker> |-2nd dest 07:31:27 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 07:32:16 <Celestar> well, that'll be easy to add later 07:32:45 <Celestar> I also need an entry how many passengers actually LEAVE 07:33:31 *** mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 07:39:40 <peter1138> So a new sorter is needed. 07:39:57 <Celestar> nah 07:40:08 <Celestar> I'm just building up the list correctly 07:40:20 <Celestar> the sorter would have a shitload of work to do 07:40:28 <Celestar> because it doesn't know anything about the logic behind it 07:41:06 <Celestar> I'm looping through an std::list with some iterator. What's the easiest way to insert an element AFTER the current iterator? 07:41:13 <Celestar> list::insert does it before, right? 07:43:16 <blathijs> Celestar: ++ and then insert? :-) 07:46:45 <SpComb> Celestar: that looks interesting, but without seeing the stations/routes it's a bit hard to understand exactly what it's saying 07:47:08 *** mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:48:47 <Celestar> SpComb: "seeing the stations/routes" ? 07:49:39 <SpComb> Celestar: I mean, looking at that text, the meaning of the nested stuff isn't intuatively clear 07:54:56 <planetmaker> IMO the only question remaining is: are the numbers of a lower level the cumulative number (that station and all who want to transfer there) or is it the number only for that station? 07:56:05 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-108-163.brnt.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 07:57:02 <Celestar> planetmaker: cumulative 07:57:13 <Celestar> can change this however, or will possibly display both 07:57:21 <planetmaker> :) 07:57:34 <Celestar> SpComb: you won't get a fully graphical representation in the first iteration, unless you code it :D 07:58:37 <Celestar> note to self: writing a statement after break; is kinda st00pid 07:59:57 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 08:00:27 <SpComb> so should that be read as "1431 passengers are taking the train which will next stop at Melstadt, 191 of those will then get onto the train that next stops at FÃŒrustenberg, and then 109 of those will get onto the train/bus/whatever that next stops at FÃŒrstenberg Central"? 08:00:46 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065178.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:01:02 <SpComb> specifically, I'm a bit confused as to how those work for trains that stop at multiple stations, is that station there the one that the passengers get off at, or the one that the train next stops at? 08:02:37 <planetmaker> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2238 <-- currently I store the last bridge being built in a global var. Is it better advisable to store it somehow int the BridgeBuildWindow? 08:02:52 <planetmaker> I refrained from doing so as I try to avoid drawing that window :) 08:03:08 <Celestar> SpComb: the gui has no access to the information, and neither has the routing system, SpComb 08:04:01 <Celestar> SpComb: the routing system knows that to get from A to B it has to go via C. It doesn't know whether there's a direct train running the route or not. 08:05:10 <SpComb> if the passengers at station A want to go to station B, and there's one train that goes A-D-C, and then one that goes C-B, what do the passengers show up as? 08:05:21 <SpComb> "xxx passengers going via D to B"? 08:05:37 <Celestar> they'll show up in D, C and B 08:05:53 <Celestar> meh. 08:06:01 <Celestar> can't list::insert work as list::push_back :S 08:06:47 <SpComb> "show up in"? I'm just talking about the passengers that are currently at station A 08:11:06 <Celestar> SpComb: you've got to think in adjacencies 08:11:20 <Celestar> SpComb: cargo *only* knows about the next hop 08:13:58 <Celestar> and it's destination of course 08:18:39 <peter1138> There is no decision about where to transfer, hence there is no "transfer at" view :/ 08:20:14 <SpComb> right, so a passenger at station A only knows (D, B)? 08:21:12 <peter1138> It knows B, and it knows to get to B it needs to go via D 08:21:15 <SpComb> the other thing I was talking about was being able to see what passengers you have on a train, currently it only shows you the source (per-wagon) - what's the feasability of that? 08:21:34 <Celestar> peter1138's working on that one already 08:22:19 *** Farden [~jk3farden@ram94-7-82-232-189-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 08:23:31 <peter1138> http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=96757 < Vehicle steps on that must be horrible... 08:24:16 <Celestar> "vehicle steps" ? 08:24:32 <peter1138> Game units. 08:24:39 <peter1138> 16 to a tile... 08:25:55 <Celestar> peter1138: I'm rather worried about the 45° turns than about the 16 units per tile 08:26:15 <peter1138> That too. 08:26:42 <Brianetta> You only need to show start and destination 08:26:49 <Brianetta> The ticket says "all routes+" 08:27:01 <Brianetta> and the passenger is assumed to make his own way across the platform (: 08:27:38 <Celestar> in Germany, the tickets rarely sais "all routes" :P 08:27:56 <Celestar> it usually sais: Munich - Hamburg: via: NUE:WUE:FUL:HAN 08:28:00 <Celestar> or something like that :P 08:28:26 * Celestar curses 08:28:30 <Celestar> Why can't I get this order right 08:38:13 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad103cb.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:40:55 <Celestar> peter1138: that screeny, is that real or photoshopped? 08:41:37 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad923c9.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 08:42:37 <Celestar> :o 256x128 pixels tile size 08:42:59 <peter1138> I think it's real. 08:43:02 <Celestar> that's 64 times as big as today 08:43:35 <peter1138> I think we've already stated that we don't really want the extra zoom levels :) 08:43:53 <Celestar> peter1138: one zoom level would be cool, *maybe* a second one 08:43:56 <Celestar> but eight? 08:44:08 <peter1138> I agree on one zoom level. 08:44:14 <planetmaker> google OpenTTD ;) 08:44:28 <Ammler> maybe zoom levels only in paused mode :-) 08:45:06 <planetmaker> just like google maps :P 08:45:44 <peter1138> One major problem of the patch for that is it only supports 32bpp mode. 08:45:55 <Celestar> peter1138: I don't *really* see that as problem 08:46:02 <peter1138> I do. 08:46:16 <peter1138> I want to be able to zoom in once on the original graphics too. 08:46:31 <Celestar> peter1138: just thinking, trg1r.pcx is about 4MB, if we have 64 times the sprite size, that'll be 256MB of the main sprites alone 08:46:50 <peter1138> *nod* 08:46:56 <Celestar> we'd need 64 times the sprite cache 08:47:05 <Brianetta> or just swap in the sprites as needed 08:47:11 <Brianetta> You'd need a monster machine for that 08:47:54 <peter1138> Celestar, by "only supports 32bpp mode" I mean "crashes if 8bpp is used" 08:48:13 <Celestar> peter1138: that is *nod* good (= 08:48:16 <Celestar> er.. 08:48:19 <Celestar> not even :P 08:49:24 <peter1138> I solved my ugly code problem by adding a new function called DrawGroundSpriteWithOffset() 08:49:45 <peter1138> Hmm, probably I could just add the offset to DrawGroundSprite and default it to 0 08:49:52 <Celestar> *nod* 08:49:55 <peter1138> Still, it works :) 08:49:59 *** Amixbook [~Amix2008@106.80-203-44.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 08:50:55 <peter1138> http://svn.bucks.net/~petern/zwrong.png < That is fixed :D 08:51:56 <Celestar> peter1138: what am I seeing? 08:51:57 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 08:52:05 <peter1138> Track pieces in the wrong place, heh... 08:52:18 <planetmaker> horizontal looks misplaced... 08:52:33 <peter1138> Vertical too, in some places. 08:52:58 <peter1138> There's a copy of the repo online now, but, uh, I didn't upload the current GRF for it :/ 08:53:33 <peter1138> Celestar: sneak2.png and sneak3.png may explain a little more :) 08:54:24 <Celestar> http://svn.bucks.net/~petern/sneak2.png 08:54:36 <Celestar> http://svn.bucks.net/~petern/sneak3.png 08:54:54 <Celestar> nice one :D 08:56:03 <SpComb> why are there three "convert rail" buttons? :o 08:56:28 <peter1138> Because I didn't have the correct graphics for the other two. 08:58:10 <Brianetta> peter1138: Is "Metro" another power source? 08:58:50 <planetmaker> peter1138: is that work towards a "more railtypes" patch? 08:59:30 <planetmaker> Brianetta: mostly it's another railtype, introduced in the 2cc set - my uneducated guess :) 09:00:01 * Celestar is frustrated with std::list 09:00:01 <Celestar> it's the wrong tool for storing a tree (= 09:00:01 * Celestar wants an std::tree 09:00:03 <Celestar> PING 09:02:36 <Brianetta> planetmaker: By "power source" I mean "railtype compatible with standard rails, but with train compatibility filtered by power type" 09:02:42 <Brianetta> like elrails 09:03:42 <planetmaker> hm, I see. Might be interesting to configure that via grf :) 09:05:14 <peter1138> Brianetta, it can be. 09:05:41 <peter1138> The spec allows for it, but the GRF I made does not do it. 09:06:05 *** ben_goodger_ [~ben@host81-153-24-230.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:10:51 <Celestar> GAAH 09:10:57 * Celestar goes adding fprintfs 09:11:47 * planetmaker ponders how much Celestar's profession has risen his frustration tolerance ;) 09:12:24 <Celestar> planetmaker: I'm a PhD student, I have ZERO frustration tolerance 09:12:47 <planetmaker> oh? Hm... I thought that was the main goal of doing a PhD to rise that tolerance ;) 09:12:52 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-153-29-228.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:14:29 <Celestar> planetmaker: it comes and goes 09:14:38 <Brianetta> no, tha main goal of doing a PhD is to make people have to call you Doctor 09:14:38 <planetmaker> :) 09:15:05 <Brianetta> One must do shitloads of really hard work to be called Doctor 09:15:16 <planetmaker> and try to sell you towels and other medical stuff in the wrong assumption you got a PhD in medicine. Yeah... right ;) 09:15:29 <Brianetta> no 09:15:37 <Brianetta> Any doctorate is awesome in my book 09:15:53 <Brianetta> Celestar: What's yours in? 09:15:58 <planetmaker> They did try with my father... 09:16:33 <planetmaker> my guess would be engineering. 09:17:04 <Celestar> Brianetta: Numerical Fluid-dynamics 09:17:24 <Brianetta> Oooh 09:17:25 <Celestar> <= Aerospace Engineer 09:17:29 <Brianetta> Is that, like, thin pipes go faster? 09:17:47 <planetmaker> :P hardly, I guess 09:17:52 <Brianetta> They do 09:17:56 <Brianetta> in a closed system 09:18:01 <Celestar> it's a little ... more complicated :P 09:18:06 <planetmaker> depends, Brianetta 09:18:07 <Brianetta> Well, yeah 09:18:46 <Brianetta> Are you going to be the guy who predicts turbulence? 09:18:56 <Brianetta> That's be awesome² 09:19:41 *** |Bastiaan| [~Bastiaan@77.60.199.138] has joined #openttd 09:20:00 <Celestar> about that :P 09:20:02 <Celestar> yes :P 09:20:09 <Brianetta> (: 09:21:27 <planetmaker> long live Cholmogorov ;) 09:21:27 <Celestar> it is predicable, on a statistical level 09:21:46 <Brianetta> Speaking of fluid dynamics... this isn't quite it, but it's cool: http://hackedgadgets.com/2008/08/13/waterfall-display/ 09:23:18 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-206.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:24:45 *** Sir-Bob [~chatzilla@c122-107-227-146.eburwd5.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:25:30 *** LilDood [~IceChat7@cpc2-bolt5-0-0-cust370.manc.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 09:25:33 *** xahodo [~xahodo@xahodo.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 09:26:10 <xahodo> Hello 09:27:58 *** Brainstorm [~Brainstor@82-171-5-111.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:28:33 <SpComb> pretty neat 09:29:09 <Celestar> heya 09:29:18 <xahodo> I can't log in on flyspray, although I am registered. :( 09:30:35 <planetmaker> works here. 09:32:25 *** Andel [~andel@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 09:32:27 *** orudge [~orudge@80.247.163.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:33:07 <Celestar> BAH 09:33:22 <Celestar> list.insert(it, DATA); 09:33:27 *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 09:33:30 <Celestar> where does "it" point to after this statement? 09:34:53 <xahodo> It gets even better. I can go through the procedure to change my password, but when I try to reregister, it simply tells me my nickname is already taken. When I try to login though, it isn't aware of my nickname's existance. 09:35:52 <Rubidium> then you never acknowledged the email about your registration 09:36:01 *** dvo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 09:36:33 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:37:24 <xahodo> errr... I'm already registered there and posted some bugs. 09:39:03 <Rubidium> what's your username on fs? 09:39:07 <xahodo> Expresso 09:41:09 <Rubidium> and now? 09:41:13 <Rubidium> does it work? 09:41:35 <xahodo> yes, now it does. 09:41:39 <xahodo> what was the problem? 09:41:48 <Rubidium> you weren't part of any group 09:41:51 * peter1138 ponders working on ... oh crap, I turned my home PC off :( 09:41:54 <Rubidium> no idea what caused that 09:42:17 <Rubidium> peter1138: use your adidas-network to wake it up ;) 09:42:29 <peter1138> My what? 09:42:54 <Rubidium> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Adidas+network 09:42:55 <peter1138> Hmm, forums down :o 09:43:03 <xahodo> Well, the first time I got in this from flyspray was when I noticed the upgrade (if it was upgraded). 09:44:00 <peter1138> And ouch, 22 hops to wiki :o 09:44:51 <peter1138> Do we want speed limits for rail types? 09:45:40 *** DorpsGek [truelight@80.247.163.110] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:45:56 <Brianetta> FOr an entire railtype? no 09:46:04 <Brianetta> Trains have limits we can enforce 09:46:15 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:46:27 *** DorpsGek [truelight@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 09:46:30 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 09:46:41 *** dvo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.21 :: www.esnation.com )] 09:48:05 <peter1138> Hmm, I need to draw some sample images... 09:48:48 <Celestar> peter1138: yeah, why not? so we can have normal rails and high-speed rails at about 5 times the price? 09:53:16 <Amixbook> would be great 09:53:47 <Celestar> peter1138: http://www.fvfischer.de/treeview.png 09:53:50 <Celestar> SpComb: for you too (= 09:53:57 <Amixbook> same with tram tracks... on own track faster, while in cities slower? 09:54:32 <peter1138> Wow. 09:54:35 <peter1138> Is that real? ;) 09:54:48 <Celestar> peter1138: yes 09:54:50 <peter1138> Trams are slow enough as is ;) 09:55:03 <Celestar> peter1138: what do you think it is? photoshopped? :P 09:55:35 <Celestar> peter1138: It'd take me 5 times as much time to photoshop in then to code it :P 09:56:06 <Amixbook> but trams runs faster on its own track peter1138 09:56:23 <Amixbook> they can run upto 130km on own tracks 09:56:44 <Amixbook> especially those train-trams in France 09:57:12 * Celestar finds it embarassing that the ICE3 runs faster in France than it runs in Germany :P 09:57:26 <Amixbook> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tram-train 09:57:57 <Amixbook> Celestar: why is it so? 09:58:11 <Celestar> Amixbook: because the germans are too stupid to build proper tracks 09:58:31 <Amixbook> ohh 09:58:34 <peter1138> Celestar, could be just random figures ;) 09:58:35 <Ammler> Amixbook: combining road tracks with rail tracks won't be that easy, I guess... 09:59:03 <Amixbook> Ammler: the tram tracks runs already on road tracks 09:59:13 <Eddi|zuHause> <peter1138> Do we want speed limits for rail types? <- yes, but possible to turn off (like wagon speed limits) 09:59:23 <Celestar> Amixbook: the Train itself has a Vmax of 330km/h (standard), or 350km/h (modded version for Spain). It runs up to 320km/h in France (most likely because the French don't want the ICE to run faster than the ICE), but no more than 300km/h in Germany (no faster certified tracks). 10:00:10 <Celestar> Amixbook: the version for the spanish market can even go 400km/h in normal configuration, making it the fastest production-train by a large margin. 10:00:24 <Amixbook> ahh 10:01:05 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, that can be done with GRF parameters. 10:01:07 <Amixbook> Norway have ordered 50 of these http://www.vg.no/reise/artikkel.php?artid=534464 10:01:08 <Celestar> but the ETCS goes only up to 350km/h afaik 10:01:14 <Amixbook> from Switzerland 10:01:20 *** jni [~geetee@cs181040004.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 10:01:23 <Amixbook> Stadler I think 10:01:24 <Amixbook> ;p 10:01:31 <Amixbook> dont know the exact name 10:01:46 <SpComb> Celestar: is this new GUI hg-pullable? 10:01:58 <Celestar> SpComb: not yet, but it will be after I've cleaned it up 10:01:59 <Amixbook> they can run upto 200km/h i think 10:02:03 <Forked> Amixbook: http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/article2604942.ece :p 10:02:15 <Amixbook> well 10:02:18 <Celestar> SpComb: or after peter's helped me with cleaning it up (= 10:02:22 <Amixbook> that wasnt a news 10:02:33 <Amixbook> that i didnt know would have come 10:02:34 <Amixbook> ;p 10:03:01 <Amixbook> Forked: Its funny that Kjels?s got such standard 10:03:03 <Amixbook> haha 10:03:11 <SpComb> what's the grand plan for merging this into trunk, btw? 10:03:15 <Forked> so three out of threehundredandsixty stations are compatible with the new trainsets 10:03:19 <Forked> sweet 10:03:27 <Eddi|zuHause> road types need speed limits, too 10:03:32 <Eddi|zuHause> especially in cities 10:03:35 <Forked> are you in a wheelchair? well then it sucks to be you unless you use two of the following threehundredandsixty stations 10:03:54 <Amixbook> Forked: well.. its easier building stations than rebuilding trains 10:04:13 <Amixbook> Forked: you have to use Kjels?s station 10:04:14 <Amixbook> :D 10:04:42 <Forked> well it's easier ordering trains that "fit" than rebuilding stations :\ 10:04:54 <Forked> anyway I live in à lesund, we only do hurtigruta 10:05:12 <Amixbook> ahh 10:05:23 <Amixbook> norway politics should be hanged 10:05:24 <Amixbook> ;P 10:05:32 <Amixbook> politicians 10:05:32 <Forked> same goes for most politicians 10:05:38 <Amixbook> hehe 10:05:58 <Amixbook> first we close down trams in Bergen 10:06:07 <Amixbook> then after 15 years 10:06:12 <Amixbook> were building it up again 10:06:23 <Celestar> bah 10:06:33 <Celestar> there's a shitload of code duplication I have there 10:07:16 <Celestar> or not .. 10:07:46 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D0DB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:07:56 <fjb> Hello 10:08:02 <Amixbook> hey 10:08:41 <Amixbook> Forked: would be nice if they started to build double tracks all over norway 10:08:51 <Amixbook> and by 2012 having a great system 10:08:59 <Amixbook> but things must take forevere here 10:09:01 <Amixbook> ;( 10:09:50 <Eddi|zuHause> you want to complete something in 4 years? 10:10:32 <Forked> I'd rather have fibre optic than trains here =p 10:10:35 <Eddi|zuHause> do you have any idea how long they are planning and building on the high speed track from Erfurt to Halle/Leipzig meanwhile? 10:11:42 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: they should cancel it 10:11:53 <Celestar> Build the TR from NUE-LEJ and NUE-FRA 10:12:00 <Celestar> costs less. 10:12:25 <Amixbook> Eddi|zuHause: 20th of September is a special day for UBB Bahn 10:12:42 <Amixbook> then UBB bahn will go into Poland for the first time 10:12:42 <Celestar> topography in Germany (and Norway) is suboptimal for high-speed railways 10:12:58 <Celestar> UBB? 10:13:00 <Amixbook> Norway is way more rocks 10:13:10 <Amixbook> Celestar: yes 10:13:19 <Celestar> Amixbook: and much lower population density. also suboptimal for trains 10:13:28 <Amixbook> http://www.ubb-online.com/de/liniennetz.html 10:13:54 <Eddi|zuHause> UBB as in "Usedomer BÀderbahn"? 10:14:01 <Amixbook> yes 10:14:12 <Amixbook> 20th of September it will go into Swinoujscie 10:14:25 <Eddi|zuHause> SwinemÃŒnde, yes... 10:14:30 <Eddi|zuHause> i've been there a while ago 10:14:46 <Eddi|zuHause> 2000 10:14:59 <Amixbook> now you can just walk over the border 10:15:02 <Amixbook> pretty cool 10:15:28 <Eddi|zuHause> they just opened the new bridge in Wolgast back then, and for the first time drove to the "main land" :) 10:15:53 <Amixbook> :) 10:16:14 <Amixbook> now you can take a train from Berlin to Swinoujscie 10:16:18 <Amixbook> 4 times a day 10:16:52 <Eddi|zuHause> the old bridge to Usedom was destroyed in WWII 10:16:55 <Amixbook> Eddi|zuHause: i am born there 10:17:50 <Amixbook> Poland is gaining Norway in train efficency 10:17:57 <Amixbook> thats really bad for norway 10:18:16 <Celestar> SpComb: it can be pulled now. Is your server still running? 10:18:17 <Eddi|zuHause> well, the last time the train was going to SwinemÃŒnde, there was no Poland there :p 10:18:47 <SpComb> Celestar: yes, but it's paused, I have to leave to work soonish, and I'm going to be busy for most of the evening 10:18:52 <Amixbook> Now they have new trains going between Swinoujscie and Szcezcin running at 160km/t making a trip that took 3-4 hours down to 1 hour 10:19:17 <Celestar> SpComb: I see. np 10:19:23 <Celestar> SpComb: did you hit any desyncs yesterday? 10:19:28 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CB84.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:19:30 <SpComb> nope, not a single one 10:19:41 <Amixbook> Forked: hehe.. :D 10:19:44 <Amixbook> fibre is nice 10:20:02 <Celestar> SpComb: awesome 10:20:09 <Forked> so is vdsl2, if only the cobber cabling in this town wasnt so shit 10:20:09 <SpComb> I'll try updating and give it a quick look, but I have to leave in half an hour 10:21:17 <Celestar> SpComb: if you could just leave it running (paused) then I'd have a look at well 10:21:22 <Celestar> SpComb: just tell me when you have updated it 10:22:41 <SpComb> it's compiling right now 10:22:46 <Celestar> great 10:23:10 <Celestar> what's the IP/hostname again? 10:23:37 <SpComb> the server's running now, skrblz.fixme.fi 10:23:49 <SpComb> or skrblz.qmsk.net, actually, but there's no difference 10:23:49 <Celestar> thanks 10:24:03 <Amixbook> Forked: i am actually a morphos user ;P i use my mac at the moment. will be moving this weekend. then i am back :) 10:24:20 <SpComb> how difficult is it to set up a cross-compilation environment and build win32 .exe's on linux? 10:24:30 <SpComb> the wiki looked kind of intimidating on that issu 10:24:58 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 10:25:27 <Celestar> dunno 10:25:55 * SpComb waits for his new CPU to be delivered while waiting for openttd to compile on his desktop 10:27:11 <Celestar> heh 10:27:48 <SpComb> it's so nice and fast when compiling with -j9 on a dual-quad xeon that it feels painful on a X2 3800 10:28:02 <Celestar> heh 10:28:09 <Celestar> I'm on a Pentium-M 770 10:28:18 <Celestar> gonna upgrade to a Core 2 Duo P8600 soon 10:28:24 <Noldo> does the new openttd megaserver mean also more nightly targets? 10:28:27 <peter1138> Dual-quad? You probably want -j 17... 10:28:32 <Gekz> Lol. 10:28:38 <Celestar> why exactly 17? 10:28:40 <peter1138> I use -j 8 on my single quad. 10:28:42 *** CommanderZ [~matej@r9fi34.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 10:28:53 <Celestar> I use -j3 on my desktop :P 10:28:57 <peter1138> Celestar, two per core and one extra, for some reason... 10:29:03 <Gekz> I use -j2 on my eeepc. 10:29:05 <Eddi|zuHause> 2n+1 10:29:26 <Celestar> heh... and -j16 if the cluster is free ;) 10:29:36 <peter1138> Takes me about 18 seconds or so. SpComb's must be able to compile it in about 10 seconds. 10:30:06 <Celestar> 18 SECONDS? 10:30:18 <Celestar> my 770 needs about 2.5 minutes for the full recompile 10:30:43 <peter1138> Yes. My old PC took about 6 minutes. 10:31:01 <Celestar> this isn't exactly "old" 10:31:06 <peter1138> Mine was :) 10:31:29 *** CommanderZ [~matej@r9fi34.net.upc.cz] has left #openttd [] 10:31:33 *** CommanderZ [~matej@r9fi34.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 10:32:45 <Celestar> peter1138: hwat CPU was it? 10:33:50 <peter1138> AMD Athlon 800. 10:34:05 <Celestar> oh 10:34:24 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:34:27 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 10:34:32 <peter1138> How do I upload an image to the wiki? 10:36:04 <peter1138> Ah, done it... now how to link them... :) 10:36:12 <Forked> Amixbook: uhm what? :p 10:37:00 <peter1138> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Peter1138/Railtypes#Action_3 10:37:01 <peter1138> :D 10:37:38 <peter1138> SketchUp is my friend. 10:37:56 <Celestar> heh 10:38:23 <Celestar> when showing the waiting cargo for a route A-B-C ... maybe the number of passengers boarding at B would be helpful? 10:39:09 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: how about increasing the number of junction underground pieces? 10:39:37 <peter1138> Why? 10:40:10 <peter1138> I don't fancy one for every conceivable junction layout. 10:40:11 <Eddi|zuHause> for switches? i hardly ever build triangles of tracks anymore... 10:40:21 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CB84.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:41:44 *** CommanderZ [~matej@r9fi34.net.upc.cz] has left #openttd [] 10:42:10 *** CommanderZ [~matej@r9fi34.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 10:42:13 <Celestar> peter1138: Rubidium: we have an obiwan in the chat window 10:42:21 <Eddi|zuHause> it's probably fine for normal rails, but the metro rails, where the 3rd rail is "embedded" in the rail underground, it looks kinda ugly 10:42:22 *** fmauNekAway is now known as fmauNeko 10:42:38 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:42:46 <Celestar> peter1138: Rubidium: http://www.fvfischer.de/obiwan.png 10:44:54 <Celestar> I've got to head into a meeting 10:45:17 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, that's another 12 sprites... Hmm... 10:45:32 *** thvdburgt [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:45:48 <peter1138> On the other hand, if you're doing all those, you can draw the track on them too. 10:45:52 <Eddi|zuHause> well, you could maybe make those optional, and fall back to the other ones if not specified... 10:46:01 <peter1138> So it is actually less work for the game. 10:46:09 <peter1138> Hmm... 10:46:22 <peter1138> Doable. 10:47:20 *** xahodo [~xahodo@xahodo.demon.nl] has quit [Quit: Goodbye.] 10:49:01 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@12-208-15-67.client.mchsi.com] has joined #openttd 10:51:27 <Celestar> peter1138: so. the new GUI is pullable, we've still got the Total Cargo View, the network test yesterday passed without a desync, and we might need/want another code review by someone else than the two of us. right? 10:57:42 <Celestar> wow that WAS a conversation killer :P 10:58:10 <hylje> OMG! CODE REVIEWS! 10:58:22 <Forked> RUN! 11:01:10 <peter1138> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=720262#p720262 11:01:19 <peter1138> ^ Anyone fancy correcting this guy? 11:02:34 <Celestar> reading 11:03:05 <Celestar> you mean that "tut" guy? 11:03:18 <peter1138> Yes. I did link directly to his last post. 11:03:33 <Celestar> he has NFI 11:03:44 <Forked> it's not 0.6.2 if it has yapp .. and if both versions returned the same version number that would make things alot worse 11:03:52 <peter1138> I merely hope he's not the actual FreeBSD port maintainer :) 11:04:42 <Forked> how is this for a response? "so.. you feel that a modified version of 0.6.2 claiming to be 0.6.2 will make things .. easier?" :p 11:05:38 <Celestar> what does he *want* ? 11:06:15 <Celestar> 0.6.2 with yapp? 11:06:23 <Forked> yup 11:06:40 <Celestar> he has even less of a FI than I thought then :P 11:09:28 <Celestar> I'm off for a meeting and stuff 11:09:31 <Celestar> back in an hour or two 11:11:07 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:14:46 <planetmaker> Forked: I just posted something along those lines :P 11:14:57 <planetmaker> obviously to him some things are far from clear... 11:15:00 <Forked> ye I saw 11:15:52 <planetmaker> [13:03] <peter1138> I merely hope he's not the actual FreeBSD port maintainer :) <--- let's hope that indeed :) 11:16:09 <fjb> Maintainer of the FreeBSD port is danfe@FreeBSD.org 11:17:29 *** flowOver [~J@S01060016e65abad7.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 11:19:51 <fjb> Maybe orudge could take a look if the email address tut registered with has any similarity with danfe. 11:20:09 <planetmaker> :D 11:20:41 <planetmaker> I would like to doubt that... but better save than sorry? 11:20:52 <planetmaker> save or safe? safe, right? 11:20:57 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 11:21:06 <fjb> But FreeBSD has a lot of ports in a stable version and an additional development version. 11:23:02 <fjb> And there is really no difficulty in compiling OpenTTD on FreeBSD on your own. It compiles out of the box. 11:23:50 <planetmaker> most probable even, most people who use FreeBSD are capable of compiling... 11:24:22 <CommanderZ> so why is he porting something that doesnt need to be ported? 11:24:52 <peter1138> FreeBSD 'ports' is a build system. 11:25:19 <fjb> Yes, but with a portts system like FreeBSD has you get lazy. You don't have to think about how to compile, just cd into the ports directory and type "make install". 11:26:28 <fjb> The ports system keeps track about the installed files and cleanly removes them if you want to get rid of that program. 11:26:36 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 11:27:35 <CommanderZ> windows should have something like that 11:28:52 <fjb> Yes. :-) 11:30:38 <fjb> You can also install FreeBSD without the C compiler. The FreeBSD project offers compiles binaries of most ports, calles packages. The ports system also keeps track of the files from the packages. 11:33:03 *** flowOver [~J@S01060016e65abad7.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:33:17 *** flowOver [~J@S01060016e65abad7.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 11:40:19 <Rubidium> luckily there's already a FreeBSD OS in flyspray, so we can just close all those bugs as: not using an unmodified binary 11:49:54 <Eddi|zuHause> if he wants "YAPP" as a compile time option, why doesn't he just make "nightly" a compile time option? 11:51:31 <planetmaker> smaller player base. :P 11:51:48 <planetmaker> I've serious doubts though that with a patched 0.6.2 his player base will become larger :D 11:52:52 *** |Bastiaan| [~Bastiaan@77.60.199.138] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 11:52:54 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... it's bad... i have accepted the BR 18 prototype, but i have no proper passenger wagons to put on... 11:53:41 <fjb> Even if you consider the market share of FreeBSD. 11:54:09 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: Use the old stock. Looks kind of funny. 11:56:17 <CommanderZ> he should be doing an iphone port if he wants player base 11:56:24 <Eddi|zuHause> custom station names are way too short... 11:58:37 <peter1138> Ahh... excellent... a colleague has brought some beers in :D 11:59:08 <Rubidium> did he turn on your home computer when he was fetching them? 11:59:25 <peter1138> No :( 11:59:56 <peter1138> Should I add extra tiles for Eddi|zuHause's junctions? 12:00:22 <peter1138> And maybe have them optional... 12:02:20 <Eddi|zuHause> Trams need the ability to turn around in tram stops... :/ 12:05:38 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@p5B0DAE28.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:05:41 <Celestar> morning 12:07:15 <Celestar> peter1138: you there? 12:07:31 <fjb> And the commuter airport comes way too late with the airport noise option enabled. 12:07:54 <fjb> peter1138 is drinking beer. So don't expect too much. 12:08:28 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:08:31 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:08:50 <Celestar> he's what? :P 12:09:15 <Forked> drunk 12:09:24 *** CommanderZ [~matej@r9fi34.net.upc.cz] has left #openttd [] 12:09:28 *** CommanderZ [~matej@r9fi34.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 12:12:17 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 12:12:53 <ln> 14:58 <@peter1138> Ahh... excellent... a colleague has brought some beers in :D 12:12:56 <peter1138> Hah 12:13:09 <peter1138> Unfortunately it's alcohol free... 12:13:17 <peter1138> Tastes alright though. 12:13:41 <Celestar> heh :P 12:13:54 <CommanderZ> dammit, my colleagues always bring in only some redbulls 12:13:57 <CommanderZ> and I hate them 12:14:06 <Celestar> peter1138: you got anything to pull for me or some work on the totalcargoview? Otherwise I'll start working on i 12:14:09 <Celestar> t 12:14:45 <peter1138> No. 12:15:02 <peter1138> The start of the work I did is... at home... 12:15:14 <Celestar> how much is it? 12:15:32 <peter1138> Moving the station cargo list stuff into a new class in a new file. 12:16:57 <Celestar> I see 12:27:56 <Celestar> vscroll_cap is in pixels ? 12:28:05 <Celestar> or in lines? or what unit? 12:28:30 <glx> whatever you want 12:28:38 <Eddi|zuHause> reducing transfer credit by 30% really helped with the negative income situation... 12:28:48 <glx> it's in relation with scrollbar max value 12:29:03 *** flowOver [~J@S01060016e65abad7.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:29:03 <Eddi|zuHause> it balances out the income much better between the vehicles 12:29:19 *** LilDood [~IceChat7@cpc2-bolt5-0-0-cust370.manc.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well] 12:31:14 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: balancing will be addressed later (= 12:31:46 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i just added a *70/100 to the transfer credit line :) 12:32:13 <Eddi|zuHause> which basically means 30% of that will get accounted to the last vehicle in the transfer chain in the end 12:33:52 <peter1138> Ah, I just found SketchUp's isometric view :) 12:34:02 <peter1138> Not exactly the same as TTD, but good enough. 12:34:10 <Celestar> hm? 12:34:18 <peter1138> I'm drawing diagrams of extra tiles for Eddi|zuHause's junctions. 12:36:05 <Celestar> heh 12:36:16 <Celestar> make smooth curves please peter1138 12:36:46 <Celestar> oh and a cure for cancer would be cool too 12:36:57 <Celestar> peter1138: how's this: http://www.fvfischer.de/tcv.png 12:37:00 <peter1138> Smooth curves... Argh! :p 12:37:31 <glx> Celestar: nice 12:37:33 <peter1138> Don't forget other vehicle types... 12:37:46 <glx> now do the same for other types yes ;) 12:38:00 <glx> (have fun with GUI) 12:38:06 <Eddi|zuHause> i thought about how to do "smooth curves", basically you'd need to split each trackbit in the middle, and then change the trackbit-half-graphics depending on the adjacent tile 12:39:02 <Celestar> peter1138: it's not finished yet, I've managed to f*ck up scrolling :P 12:40:39 <peter1138> With 'rail continuation info' you could do it with varactions ;) 12:41:19 <Celestar> peter1138: we also have factually wrong info in the detailed cargo tab 12:41:38 <glx> newgrfs can have more than 8 sprites 12:41:39 <peter1138> We do? 12:41:54 <peter1138> glx, context? 12:42:11 <glx> for smooth curves you need more steps 12:43:04 <Celestar> glx: you need totally new vehicle set 12:43:05 <Celestar> s 12:43:14 <Celestar> oh yes, and a totally new concept of drawing vehicle 12:43:15 <Celestar> s 12:43:17 <Celestar> .. 12:43:26 <Celestar> my key is not working o well 12:43:31 <Celestar> .. 12:43:42 * Celestar getsss a vacuum cleaner 12:44:16 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:45:00 <Celestar> heya Sacro 12:45:20 <Sacro> heya Celestar 12:50:11 <peter1138> Do we want to implement curved track at this point? 12:50:31 <peter1138> It never worked well with Simutrans :op 12:50:34 <peter1138> -p 12:50:34 <Celestar> peter1138: want: yes. are able to: no :P 12:51:03 <peter1138> Why not? 12:52:11 <Celestar> peter1138: because we basically need to change everything. We'd have to draw a new vehicle set, We'd have to basically drop newgrf support ... 12:52:27 <Sacro> so I found a bug last night... 12:52:38 <Celestar> peter1138: we'd need to either make an online rendering of vehicle or store at least 32 different angles for each vehicle 12:52:53 <Sacro> implement .x loading? 12:53:04 <Celestar> ? 12:53:10 <Sacro> alllow model files 12:53:15 <Sacro> rather than just sprites 12:57:06 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.55.244] has joined #openttd 12:58:06 <fjb> Does it really look that bad if just the track looks curved and the vehicles still have only the current eight views? 12:58:08 <SpComb> Celestar: I started a stub: http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Passenger_and_cargo_destinations 12:58:50 <Sacro> Celestar: is it working now? 12:58:51 <Celestar> SpComb: awesome. I just noticed that I lack wiki access 12:58:54 <Celestar> SpComb: http://www.fvfischer.de/tcv.png 12:58:59 <Celestar> Sacro: is *what* working now? 12:59:05 <Sacro> cargo packets 12:59:13 <peter1138> fjb, http://simutrans.wz.cz/images/ss/1.jpg 12:59:19 *** KillaloT [~killalot@0x5738cc8b.rdnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:59:31 <Sacro> peter1138: *throws up* 12:59:39 <Celestar> Sacro: can you link from the main development page to that page in the subprojects item? 12:59:43 <Celestar> Sacro: of course, why not= 12:59:45 <Rubidium> Celestar: lack wiki access? 12:59:46 <SpComb> Celestar: yup, I just noticed that in the scrollback 12:59:52 <Celestar> Rubidium: apparently 12:59:56 <Sacro> Celestar: errr... 13:00:00 <Forked> planetmaker: I feel that tut dude didn't really respond at all to the answer you gave him 13:00:07 <SpComb> it's kind of similar to what the station view shows 13:00:10 <Sacro> Login error: 13:00:10 <Sacro> There is no user by the name "Sacro". Check your spelling, or create a new account. 13:00:13 <Rubidium> everyone can edit the wiki (except a few pages) 13:00:18 <Celestar> SpComb: the question is still what to display in the Detailed Cargo View (the one per wagon). Splitting destinations by wagon makes little sense 13:00:21 <SpComb> sometimes you want to know where the passengers on a train are from, sometimes you want to know where they're going to, etc :) 13:00:21 <Celestar> Rubidium: I see (= 13:00:39 <SpComb> Celestar: can induvidual wagons contain different cargo packets? 13:00:44 <fjb> peter1138: Thank you. That looks really bad, but it clearly shows curves where diagonal track should be. 13:00:46 <Celestar> SpComb: yes. 13:00:54 <Celestar> SpComb: v->cargo_cap different packets 13:01:03 <SpComb> indeed, then the "<count> <cargo> from <blaa>" kind of fails 13:01:19 <Celestar> peter1138: this is about the second most ugly thing I have seen in a long time :P 13:01:24 <peter1138> Celestar, don't show destinations for the 'detailed' cargo view. 13:01:27 <SpComb> hmm, I should probably take a look through the code some time as well, perhaps I'll gain a better understanding of how it works as well then 13:01:35 <Celestar> peter1138: curved tracks *must* span multiple tiles 13:01:42 <Sacro> Celestar: description? 13:01:42 <Celestar> peter1138: I'm not. the question is whether to show origin. 13:01:47 <Celestar> Sacro: description of what? 13:01:59 <Sacro> what i'm adding on the subprojects area 13:02:23 <Sacro> also, i'll remove the old [[Cargo Packets]] 13:02:24 <peter1138> Incidentally that doesn't let you have two vertical or two horizontal pieces on a tile, either. 13:02:30 <Celestar> oh ... "Cargo with specific destinations" 13:02:40 <SpComb> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Requested_features <-- this? 13:02:55 <SpComb> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Recent_and_Current_Developments <-- and/or this? 13:02:58 <Sacro> Celestar: http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Development done 13:03:19 <Sacro> i might have to get hg and test it 13:03:28 <SpComb> both of those pages above mention cargo packets/destinations as well 13:03:43 <Celestar> you can set it to 85% complete :P 13:04:05 * Sacro goes for a shit shower and shave 13:04:09 <SpComb> well, there have been other paxdest branches in the past 13:04:15 <SpComb> some mention of those somewhere? 13:04:30 <Celestar> wth is a shitshower? 13:04:43 <Celestar> .. maybe I don't wanna know 13:05:06 <peter1138> :o 13:05:29 <SpComb> or perhaps there's just a missing comma there 13:05:33 <ln> sounds like something Wikipedia is likely to have an article about. 13:05:46 <SpComb> Celestar: have you modified the ./configure script to check for boost? 13:05:52 <Celestar> SpComb: not yet. 13:05:58 <SpComb> probably should at some point 13:06:17 <Celestar> SpComb: I know, but I have NFI about configure scripts. We have more capable people than me here to do that 13:06:32 <Celestar> I just dunno yet whom to poke 13:06:33 <SpComb> hehe, I just copy-pasted the libpng stuff when I added libcurl to that :) 13:06:42 <SpComb> but I guess boost is a bit more complicated 13:07:58 <Celestar> I'm just including one file 13:08:06 <Celestar> so it shouldn't be 13:08:42 <planetmaker> [15:00] <Forked> planetmaker: I feel that tut dude didn't really respond at all to the answer you gave him <-- I got the same feeling. His problem, if he still fails to see. 13:09:16 <Belugas> hello peoples 13:09:19 <Belugas> -s 13:09:27 <Belugas> where is my damn coffee??? 13:09:42 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-58-169-160-40.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:11:07 <Celestar> Belugas: don't have any :P 13:11:08 <planetmaker> I can offer you tea, Belugas :) 13:11:16 <Celestar> MEH. gotta set the scrollbar somehow :P 13:11:22 <Sacro> Celestar: missed the comma, but if you really wanna know, google tubgirl (nsfw) 13:11:34 <Forked> I do not want to know 13:11:57 * Celestar wonders whether to continue the vehicle view or edit the wiki page 13:13:15 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 13:18:34 <SpComb> Celestar: I just edited it a bit 13:18:53 <SpComb> the next sections need screenshots from the game 13:22:57 <Celestar> SpComb: I can provide you with those if you wish 13:24:09 <Celestar> just tell me what you need 13:26:58 <Eddi|zuHause> <Celestar> my key is not working o well <- i know that erfectly well from my key : 13:28:22 <Celestar> there were leftovers of lunch below the key 13:30:24 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-514faa37.l2.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:31:49 <Celestar> SpComb: can you just add the section you want in? I can add some stuff then 13:33:12 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: belugas * r14106 /trunk/src/lang/english.txt: -Fix(r14104): A string too much been commited 13:33:26 <SpComb> ok, I'll add some barebones outlines 13:34:28 <Eddi|zuHause> <SpComb> Celestar: have you modified the ./configure script to check for boost? <- should be unnecessary when a specially crafted boost version is added into svn 13:34:53 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: point taken 13:36:11 <SpComb> ugh, so I'll have a million copies of the boost library on my machine? 13:36:33 <Eddi|zuHause> no, only of the boost graphics library 13:36:35 <SpComb> one standard libboost, and then one per copy of OpenTTD that I have? 13:36:41 <Celestar> SpComb: only tinyish parts of the boost library 13:36:50 <Eddi|zuHause> s/ics// 13:37:01 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Quit: Operator, give me an exit] 13:37:07 <SpComb> installing debian's libboost-graph-dev package installs over 200MB of stuff... 13:37:55 <Celestar> vici@rivendell:[/home/vici/openttd-cargodest]> wc -l /usr/include/boost/graph/* | grep total 13:38:01 <Celestar> 25309 total 13:38:04 <Rubidium> SpComb: you get the free and complementary whole libboost world 13:40:27 <peter1138> Hmm, 16 sprites 13:43:12 <Belugas> time to work@work 13:44:32 <Celestar> peter1138: this is kinda ugly with the total cargo view 13:44:35 <Celestar> I mean code wise 13:44:54 <peter1138> I bet :) 13:45:05 <Celestar> http://www.fvfischer.de/tcw.diff 13:45:09 <Celestar> look at this :S 13:46:06 <Celestar> and I still dunno about the detailed cargo view :P 13:46:25 *** Bean [~Mr.Bean@ip503d6a60.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 13:46:57 <Bean> @seen yorick 13:46:57 <DorpsGek> Bean: yorick was last seen in #openttd 17 hours, 39 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <Yorick> xdiff+ydiff for diagonal comparisons 13:49:29 <Celestar> peter1138: now is this ugly or is this ugly? 13:49:36 <peter1138> Didn't look, sorry. 13:49:54 *** Pikka is now known as Pikka|tf2 13:49:55 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:49:59 <Celestar> lucky you :P 13:51:38 <ln> http://users.utu.fi/lpjapp/P1010011.JPG 13:53:16 <Celestar> ln: and this thing needs to be 3MB? :P 13:53:47 <SpComb> Celestar: I added a bunch of skeleton sections that I think could do with some explenation 13:53:51 <Celestar> ok 13:53:53 <Celestar> looking 13:54:51 <Celestar> SpComb: I'll dump some ideas and screenies into the sections in the next few hours and maybe add an "internals" section 13:55:12 <Celestar> erm peter1138 13:55:32 <Celestar> SpComb: if I find the time while working 13:55:45 <peter1138> Erm what? 13:55:47 <SpComb> yeah, documentation's annoying to write :) 13:56:11 <CommanderZ> are you making dest for cargo too or for pax only? 13:56:13 <Celestar> peter1138: I've drawn that icon for the minimap. Do we want to use it? 13:56:22 <Celestar> CommanderZ: it's configurable 13:56:50 <CommanderZ> sounds good 13:56:54 <Celestar> pax are cargo as well, you know 13:57:05 <Celestar> only difference is that they're self-loading :P 13:57:14 <ln> Celestar: dunno, it's not my photo nor homepage. 13:57:20 <CommanderZ> i know, just the older patch was pax and mail only, wasn't it? 13:58:11 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: http://www.interplay.com/] 13:58:22 <Celestar> CommanderZ: possible. 13:58:31 <Celestar> We've got a clean(er) implementation now 13:59:53 *** CommanderZ [~matej@r9fi34.net.upc.cz] has left #openttd [] 14:00:19 *** Bean [~Mr.Bean@ip503d6a60.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 14:00:44 <Celestar> did I scare him ? 14:01:11 <Celestar> :o 14:01:14 <Celestar> plane crash in Madrid 14:02:32 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 14:02:50 <ln> an MD-80 or? 14:03:18 <Celestar> apparently 14:03:20 <Celestar> runway overshhot 14:03:22 <Celestar> overshoot* 14:03:50 <Celestar> shortest runway is 3500m 14:03:53 <Celestar> weird 14:03:58 <Belugas> p 14:05:20 <Belugas> hehe...no wonder it was not working :) wrong window caught the "p" 14:05:37 <Celestar> weather at time of crash: METAR LEMD 201300Z 14004KT CAVOK 29/03 Q1018 NOSIG 14:05:42 <Celestar> very weird 14:06:29 <Belugas> i agree... usually, weather is more like... sunny, light breeze... 14:07:14 <Celestar> wth is wrong with airliners.net :S 14:07:28 <Celestar> "posted Tue Aug 19 2008 21:49:06 your local time (15 minutes 54 secs ago)" 14:07:32 * Celestar blinks 14:07:59 <Celestar> number of casulties in media ranges from 0 to 75 14:08:08 <Celestar> great measuring accuracy 14:10:09 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:10:17 * Celestar goes back to cargodest 14:10:17 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e176238252.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:10:33 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e176238252.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:12:26 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-206.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [] 14:12:52 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:16:09 <Celestar> :o 14:16:16 <Celestar> vim has a ":make" as well 14:17:03 <peter1138> http://svn.bucks.net/~petern/zero-is-auto-too.diff 14:17:31 <peter1138> Re: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=39109 14:19:01 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@f051102122.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:19:10 <Mortal> #openttd: your source for random awesome diffs 14:19:40 <Celestar> Mortal: ? 14:20:01 <Mortal> ln linked some grammer and spellingcorrection diffs yesterday 14:20:20 <Celestar> yeah 14:20:48 <Eddi|zuHause> Belugas committed some stuff about that... 14:21:34 <Celestar> he did 14:21:49 <Belugas> so did I 14:22:07 *** Priski [priski@xob.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 14:22:17 <Eddi|zuHause> gnaah... station needs more tracks, but there's an industry in the way :( 14:22:39 <glx> walk to the other side of the industry 14:22:45 <ln> Mortal: "grammer"...... 14:22:46 <Eddi|zuHause> and a lake... 14:22:56 <fjb> Hire some terrorists to blast the industry. 14:23:11 <Celestar> heh 14:23:11 <glx> fill the lake 14:23:14 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: what server are you on? 14:23:15 <Belugas> or implement underground stations ^_^ 14:23:15 <Mortal> ln, I'm just tickling your spelling senses 14:23:23 <Mortal> or should I say... Im 14:23:25 *** thgergo [~thgergo@members.openttdcoop.org] has left #openttd [] 14:23:26 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-132-73.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:23:27 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not on any server 14:23:40 <Celestar> pity 14:23:54 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-137-132.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 14:24:03 <Belugas> Mortal, i'm not. In fact, it would be nice if more corrections like these were made available 14:24:06 <Eddi|zuHause> i can't play online... i can't cope to the lack of pause button :p 14:24:16 <Mortal> Belugas, you're not what? 14:24:20 <Celestar> managing a 1k x 1k map with paxdest and maildest alone is virtually impossible 14:24:40 <glx> even on smaller map 14:24:52 <Belugas> mmmh... nevermind Mortal, i can't clearly read IRC right now... 14:24:57 <Belugas> got confused 14:25:03 <Mortal> Belugas, I like such corrections too 14:25:14 <Mortal> (the only problem is with annotate... but meh) 14:25:33 <fjb> Belugas: An underground station beneath the lake could turn out as a bad idea. 14:26:12 <Belugas> fjb, call it underwater then :) 14:26:19 <fjb> :-) 14:26:28 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e176238252.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:26:28 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 14:26:38 <Belugas> Mortal, as long as it gives a better overall quality to the project, why not? 14:26:38 <Mortal> http://ccmixter.org/files/Sawtooth/15852 whee, tf2 theme song samples 14:26:44 <Mortal> wait wrong channel, never mind 14:27:21 <Mortal> Belugas, like I said, I like it too 14:27:45 <Belugas> good :) 14:28:54 <Eddi|zuHause> cargo dests are genious, but i really need a shitload of platforms on the transfer stations... 14:29:34 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean, like 2 per transferred cargo type 14:31:10 <fjb> Why that many? 14:37:28 <planetmaker> drop+pickup? 14:40:52 <Celestar> what... omnicppcomplete for vim is AWESOME 14:41:57 <Celestar> it doesn't only complete classes, member, functions and stuff but also shows the declaration 14:42:34 <glx> like intellisense 14:42:36 <Belugas> have you ever tried Delphi? hehe 14:43:23 <Celestar> yes 14:43:27 <Celestar> I hated it 14:43:56 <Fuco> every decent IDE compete classes and show declarations :P 14:45:56 * Belugas loves Delphi for over... 14:46:03 <Belugas> 13 years i guess 14:46:06 <Celestar> Fuco: not sure vim qualifies and an IDE 14:46:19 <Celestar> Fuco: I wish there was ONE IDE with a decent editor 14:46:24 <Celestar> just a single one 14:46:43 * Belugas knows one :) 14:46:44 <glx> visual studio is nice 14:46:51 <Belugas> make it two :D 14:46:56 <Celestar> glx: the editor of it sucks 14:47:01 <Celestar> at least the 2003 and 2005 versions 14:47:17 <Celestar> glx: plus it's not available for real OSes :P 14:47:40 <Belugas> I suck , you suck, she sucks, he sucks, it sucks ... 14:47:55 <Celestar> and developing in windows is giving me the creeps. That's worse the writing a dissertation in Word 14:48:11 * Belugas thinks Celestar has some "parti-pris" 14:48:14 <Fuco> 2008 is cool 14:48:20 <Celestar> Belugas: I have some what? 14:48:46 <Belugas> mind already made up, preconceived ideas, that soert of things 14:49:18 <SpComb> irrational fear 14:49:28 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm158.epsilon120.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 14:50:03 <SpComb> you've probably had some traumatic experience with VS in the past, maybe you've already forgotten what it was, but the trauma remains 14:50:20 <SpComb> a bit like Singaporekid 14:51:03 <Belugas> naaa.. i think i know what Celestar feels. For a very long time, i hated anything that was C/C++ 14:51:26 <Belugas> I found the language cryptic, hard to follow, 14:51:45 <Belugas> too hard to be workable 14:52:01 <Belugas> so i ran away from it and always bashed over it 14:52:25 <Belugas> amin reason: I had been in a totally different language 14:52:28 <SpComb> I've seen enough good C code that I find using it enjoyable 14:53:10 <Belugas> i think it's the same with Celestar. He's confortable with his OS and thus it makes him unconfortable to do anything on Windows 14:53:22 <SpComb> in other words, it is possible to write good C code that works well and is beautiful in it's own right 14:53:30 <Belugas> i guess so 14:53:36 <Celestar> Belugas: I don't have anything specific against C or C++ 14:53:39 <Belugas> if you follow a CODE-STYLE!!! 14:53:42 <glx> SpComb: the opposite is true 14:53:51 <SpComb> things like nicely-documented function-pointer structs <3 14:53:53 <Belugas> Celestar, i never said you didn;t 14:54:07 <Celestar> Belugas: I consider Closed-Source software as a considerable threat, yes. 14:54:18 <Celestar> Belugas: worse the Ossama and GWB taken together tbh 14:54:26 <Belugas> i was makng a comparaison between my hatred of C and your hatred of Win :) 14:54:38 <Celestar> "hatred" is the wrong word ;) 14:54:49 *** Reemo [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0C64E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:55:05 <Belugas> well... "unease"? 14:55:11 <Celestar> Was windows open-sourced (not necessarily free), I might change my mind 14:55:17 <SpComb> glx: sure, it's also easy to write bad C code that does what it's supposed to do, but is hard to read and extend/modify 14:55:35 <SpComb> (some of the OpenTTD code... ) 14:55:43 <Fuco> i like windows.. easy to manage, easy to install, easy to add things like blootooth cellphone and 10 years old adsl modem.. 14:55:53 <Celestar> but if someone tries to hide something from me, this 'something' is rarely good. 14:56:19 <Celestar> Fuco: I find most hardware installation more difficult on windows than on linux, provided there are drivers for windows 14:56:27 <Celestar> Fuco: however, hardware support still lacks 14:56:34 <SpComb> Fuco: haha... I'm going to claim that something like Ubuntu is far easier to install than windows, and easier to manage... 14:56:41 <ln> a finnish news site is reporting: "one of the plane's left-side engines caught fire before take-off"......... 14:56:51 <Celestar> Fuco: I find windows horribly difficult to manage. 14:57:15 <Fuco> hm 14:57:17 <SpComb> for instance, I don't know of any windows equivalent to linux LiveCD:s 14:57:27 <Fuco> why you need livecd 14:57:27 <Belugas> Celestar, i find the same when looking at my ubuntu, it's just a matter of habits :) 14:57:40 <Fuco> what's the point of slow OS loaded from CD 14:57:45 <Fuco> for me as a "basic user" 14:57:48 <SpComb> Fuco: fixing broken installs (e.g. your had drive partitions are borked) 14:58:12 <SpComb> and e.g. ubuntu's installer is just a livecd with an "install ubuntu to your hard drive" icon on the desktop 14:58:13 <Fuco> i can do that with any other software 14:58:17 <Celestar> CARGODEST! 14:58:19 <SpComb> which is far more than window's installer has to offer 14:58:24 * Celestar tries to change the topic 14:58:29 <SpComb> but myes, I really don't want to continue this discussion 14:58:52 <Fuco> i have ubuntu on notebook 14:59:10 <Fuco> tho i don't use it 14:59:44 <ln> 148 dead, says some source. 14:59:45 <SpComb> then neither of us are in a position to speak absolute truths about both linux/ubuntu and windows 14:59:50 <Fuco> ok, you're right than 'modern' 'user friendly' linux is easy to install 14:59:55 <Celestar> 148? 15:00:02 <ln> yes. 15:00:04 <SpComb> as I don't know everything about windows, and you probably don't know everything about linux 15:00:36 <Fuco> but still its a pain in the ass to run some hardware on linux 15:00:40 <Celestar> SpComb: I admin linux and windows PCs 15:00:45 <Fuco> when in win i just pres "next" a few times 15:00:47 <Celestar> SpComb: about 50 each 15:01:04 <Celestar> SpComb: I spent 75% of the time with the Windows PCs. It's either the OS, or the users ... dunno 15:01:13 <Celestar> spend* 15:01:24 <SpComb> I've never admined a windows PC, I'm not even aware of what Microsoft's server software does, nor what third party admin tools there are 15:01:43 <Fuco> well, i have the same install of windows for over 2 years 15:01:46 <Fuco> ando no problem 15:01:47 <SpComb> I only use it to play games 15:02:00 <Celestar> I've *tried* setting up a Windows 2003 server for them. I've ditched that attempt and installed SLES10 instead. 15:02:08 <glx> Celestar: windows users can do strange things to the OS 15:02:19 <Celestar> glx: windows *LETS* the users do strange things 15:02:31 <Celestar> glx: well not anymore, since the users don't have admin privs 15:02:35 <Celestar> and won't get them 15:02:40 <Celestar> no matter what 15:02:43 <glx> for vista yes 15:02:53 <Celestar> glx: ok now it's getting nasty 15:03:04 <glx> but it's quite impossible to use XP without admin rights 15:03:11 <glx> (for me) 15:03:15 <Celestar> glx: XP is a pretty decent workstation OS, if you work with non-admin privs. Vista is just *shudders* 15:03:40 * Celestar continues to shudder and goes back to his cargodest 15:04:33 <Celestar> *shrugs* I dunno what to code next 15:04:51 <SpComb> viewport visual routes? 15:05:42 <Fuco> imho, linux needs some support from some big company, like google or intel to be an real option for desktop computers 15:05:46 <Celestar> not sure I want that at the present time. I'll have to sync with peter first 15:05:59 <SpComb> Fuco: big company like red hat? 15:06:16 <Fuco> that's why their market share is 1% 15:06:16 <Fuco> ? 15:06:36 <Fuco> ask some ppl you know if they ever heard about red hat.. if i do that, 95% tell me NO 15:06:47 <SpComb> canonical (Ubuntu) also offers commercial support 15:06:49 <Fuco> ask them about google 15:06:51 <Fuco> or microsoft 15:06:59 <Fuco> and 99% say YES 15:07:18 <Celestar> and that's what makes them dangerous 15:07:21 <Celestar> to each of you 15:07:27 *** xahodo [~chatzilla@energy.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:07:31 <xahodo> Hello 15:07:33 <Celestar> heya 15:07:54 <SpComb> Fuco: red hat isn't really consumer-oriented, mostly business-oriented 15:07:59 <Eddi|zuHause> * Celestar tries to change the topic <- i am fairly convinced that you failed :p 15:08:05 <SpComb> Fuco: even my mom knows my Ubuntu is 15:08:10 <xahodo> I've got a probable desync... any way I can pinpoint it? 15:08:15 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: I'm fairly convinced that you are correct 15:08:21 <Celestar> xahodo: how much time do you have? 15:08:22 <SpComb> and my sister uses Ubuntu on her laptop, and is thinking about getting an eeePC 15:08:37 <SpComb> *knows what 15:08:48 <xahodo> an hour at most. 15:08:50 <Fuco> your mum knows it probably because you care 15:08:53 <Fuco> and you told her 15:08:57 <Fuco> but most of mums dont :) 15:09:00 <xahodo> I'm currently at a friend's place. 15:09:07 <SpComb> *shrug* 15:09:16 <Celestar> xahodo: is it reproducible? 15:09:27 <SpComb> you'd be surprised as to how well-known ubuntu is 15:09:47 <xahodo> I haven't yet pinpointed it. 15:10:03 <SpComb> I don't have any hard figures, but just my personal experience, which might be a bit biased 15:10:27 <Celestar> SpComb: I'm not worried. Windows is losing market-share by the minute 15:10:30 <Fuco> my school is actually 'sponsored' by red hat, so everyone there knows ubuntu :D 15:11:38 <Celestar> SpComb: we should talk to peter1138 about the main-viewport routing network 15:11:49 <Fuco> google is taking dominant place in 'computer' buisniss over microsoft 15:12:00 <Celestar> which is about equally bad 15:12:03 <Fuco> business* 15:12:07 <Celestar> domination is never a good thing 15:12:22 <Fuco> for most people it is 15:12:27 <Celestar> no. it's not 15:12:31 <Celestar> it's dangerous 15:12:55 <Celestar> there's _never_ _anything_ good about domination 15:12:58 <Fuco> hm.. what's dangerous about windows 15:13:26 <Celestar> Fuco: is this a rethorical question? 15:13:37 <Fuco> no 15:13:52 <Fuco> i don't see anything bad with windows 15:14:33 <Celestar> That's what most people said about Hitler in 1933.. 15:15:24 <Fuco> comparing hitler and windows 15:15:29 <Fuco> is really weird 15:16:11 <Celestar> Fuco: I don't consider it weird. 15:16:25 <Fuco> how can windows kill ppl 15:16:35 <Fuco> and dominate half of the europe 15:16:35 <Celestar> there are things worse than death, Fuco 15:16:41 <Fuco> like? 15:16:42 <peter1138> Bjarni's code. 15:16:46 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:16:48 <Fuco> other example :D? 15:17:00 <Celestar> damn peter1138, I just snorted out my coke over half the room! 15:17:07 <Celestar> Fuco: slavery. 15:17:11 <Celestar> Fuco: police states 15:17:15 <Celestar> Fuco: domination 15:17:37 <peter1138> pom te pom 15:17:43 <Fuco> again 15:17:48 <Fuco> how can windows enslave ppl 15:17:58 <Celestar> Fuco: three letters: DRM 15:18:04 <Celestar> and that's only the tip of the iceberg 15:18:11 <Fuco> drm? 15:18:19 <Celestar> O_o 15:18:38 <Fuco> what is that 15:18:46 <Celestar> it's a nice a nice step towards 1984, that is 15:19:12 <Fuco> what does that mean? i mean the D.M.R.? 15:19:20 <Celestar> only today's technology makes 1984 look quaint 15:19:43 <Celestar> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management 15:20:02 <ben_goodger_> Celestar: you are comparing DRM to nazism and nineteen eighty-four (the book's title is _not_ 1984)? 15:20:29 <Celestar> ben_goodger_: no DRM in itself, but the road it is paving. 15:20:43 <ben_goodger_> riiiight. 15:20:50 <Celestar> ben_goodger_: (I'm too lazy to type it out all the time) 15:21:17 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: smatz * r14107 /trunk/src/pbs.cpp: -Codechange: marking reserved tile dirty twice (and even when patch option is off) is not needed 15:21:27 <Celestar> ben_goodger_: complete surveillance of your life 15:21:51 <ben_goodger_> well, microsoft can't actually do that when I'm not running their software 15:22:05 <ben_goodger_> the government of the united kingdom, however, can 15:22:29 <Celestar> ben_goodger_: it's not really the the govs of these days are any better 15:22:37 *** Yorick [~Yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:23:14 <Celestar> ben_goodger_: they're driven by fear. But the combo of MS + fear-oriented-goverments is simply deadly 15:23:21 <glx> they usually know nothing about how internet works 15:23:28 <Celestar> at least deadly for any kind of liberty we know 15:23:55 <Fuco> Celestar, i think you are little bit paranoic. MS+goverments controling you is plain nonsense 15:23:59 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm158.epsilon120.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: 11:23pm lol] 15:24:23 *** endru [~guyver6@14-mi2-10.acn.waw.pl] has joined #openttd 15:24:33 <Celestar> Fuco: and I think you are a little naive 15:24:37 <Fuco> and even if they scan my network traffic, why not 15:24:42 <Fuco> what's the point 15:25:03 <Celestar> Fuco: what's the point of freedom at all? Let's all move to a perfectly secure police state. right. 15:25:18 <Fuco> how it affect your freedom 15:25:48 <Celestar> how does *what* affect my freedom? 15:25:55 <Celestar> scanning all my network traffic? 15:25:57 <Fuco> yes 15:26:04 <Celestar> how about someone recording all your phone calls? 15:26:13 <Fuco> i have no problem with that 15:26:14 <Celestar> reading all your letters? 15:26:27 <Fuco> what they can possibly do with my phone calls 15:26:34 <Fuco> except tell Monica i dont really love her 15:26:43 <Fuco> (just an example) 15:26:43 <Celestar> no one has _ever_ the right to check my letters, read my phone calls, or check my network traffic., 15:27:08 * orudge reads Celestar's IRC traffic to #openttd 15:27:17 <Celestar> orudge: because _I_ chose to present it 15:27:33 <orudge> quite 15:27:34 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: belugas * r14108 /trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): -Fix(r14104): Give a more consistent naming of the new gui file 15:27:49 <orudge> anyway, I'm also not a fan of the UK.gov's rather unrealistic and rather intrusive plans 15:27:59 <Celestar> orudge: welcome to the club 15:28:02 <ben_goodger_> quite 15:28:05 <Celestar> we've to similar ideas in Germany 15:28:12 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:28:16 <Celestar> thanks to the idiot called SchÀuble. 15:28:27 <glx> France is not better 15:28:28 <Celestar> who apparently knows the internet in the form of printouts :S 15:28:33 <Celestar> glx: unfortunately 15:28:51 <Celestar> Fuco: no one has the right to check my bank accounts either 15:28:54 <ben_goodger_> Celestar: the government of Germany is paralysed by the fear of pseudomuslim rioting, and therefore instituting positive-discrimination policies? 15:29:02 <Rubidium> lets follow the US where it's legal to take someone's personal belongings and keep them for an undetermined amount of time 15:29:31 <Celestar> ben_goodger_: yes, but we're moving at a slower pace than the UK 15:29:38 <ben_goodger_> Rubidium: in the UK, someone can be taken _themselves_ and kept for up to 42 days without a trial or a phone call 15:30:05 <Rubidium> in the US there's no limit on that 15:30:26 <Rubidium> they just have to say: you're a terrorist 15:30:30 <Rubidium> and you're gone forever 15:31:00 <Fuco> Well, i'm not telling that everyone should have rights to see your accounts/letters etc.. 15:31:16 <Fuco> not even goverment 15:31:18 <Fuco> but if they do 15:31:25 <Fuco> i don't see the problem 15:31:36 <Rubidium> Fuco: I'm not talking about paperwork 15:31:37 <Celestar> Fuco: what if they take my neighbour and kill him? I don't like him anyway ... 15:31:38 <Fuco> i've never used phone to something _so_ important 15:31:45 <Rubidium> I'm talking about your wallet, mobile, laptop and stuff 15:31:56 <Fuco> Rubidium: i was reffering to something else now 15:32:11 <Fuco> Celestar: you're off topic with killing 15:32:21 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 15:32:42 <Celestar> Fuco: why. "Life" is a human right just as "Self-determination of information" is 15:33:06 <Celestar> Fuco: but ok. don't kill him. Take him and inprison him for a decade. 15:33:15 <xahodo> ok, can't pinpoint the desync :( maybe it'll come up another time. 15:33:20 <Fuco> hm, this whole discusion is gone off topic 15:33:28 <Celestar> has it? 15:33:28 <Fuco> we started about MS enslaving humanity 15:33:39 <Fuco> that's your view i think 15:33:50 <Fuco> with their evil windows and big monopol 15:34:03 <Fuco> working with goverments all over the world 15:34:09 <Fuco> to ensure the world domination 15:34:43 <Celestar> yes. this is exactly what is happening around us _at the moment_ 15:35:02 <Fuco> aha 15:35:20 <Fuco> its probably because i live in a middle-east europe or im too ignorant to see that :) 15:35:30 <Fuco> but im not experiencing it 15:35:42 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [] 15:35:56 <Celestar> Fuco: ah, just because you don't see something, it's not there? 15:36:04 <Rubidium> Fuco: why is Windows chosen for soo many things? Because it's better? No because the manager knows the name, which in effect enslave their workers to implement it 15:36:09 <Rubidium> same with many other buzzwords 15:36:13 <Rubidium> like xml and web2.0 15:36:20 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 15:36:25 <Celestar> Fuco: and I live in Central-Europe as well. 15:36:43 <Fuco> germany and slovakia is a bit different 15:37:01 <Celestar> Fuco: half my family is from slovakia. Jews btw.. 15:37:20 <Fuco> jews? hmm not much jews around 15:37:25 <Celestar> not anymore. 15:37:27 <Fuco> i know 1 guy 15:37:35 <Celestar> most of my family got killed 15:37:40 * Rubidium lives in the East in Central Europe too 15:38:04 <Fuco> well i'm sorry about that 15:38:07 <Belugas> XML MAP!!! 15:38:12 <Celestar> Fuco: how old are ye? 15:38:24 <Fuco> 19 15:39:02 <Celestar> Fuco: You have any idea how life was one generation ago? 15:39:48 <Fuco> you mean here at slovakia? 15:39:56 <Yorick> autoclean is made to remove the airport after deleting the aircraft, right? 15:40:03 <Yorick> and how does that work on oilrigs? 15:40:04 <Fuco> OIS list. 15:40:05 <Fuco> [17:37:57] ----------------------------------- 15:40:10 <Fuco> ^ sorry ^ 15:40:14 <Celestar> Fuco: yes. In Slovakia 15:40:42 <Fuco> well, only from what my parrents and family told me 15:40:57 <Celestar> and? 15:41:01 <Fuco> like 'real' life :P 15:41:03 <Celestar> great, wasn't it .. 15:41:13 <Fuco> no it wasn't great 15:41:22 <Fuco> however, you can't compare windows to socialism 15:41:22 <Celestar> uh huh. And we're moving the same direction 15:41:39 <Fuco> you still have a choice now 15:41:44 <Fuco> to work with OSX or linux 15:41:52 *** thvdburgt [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:41:54 <Celestar> NOW yes. 15:41:57 <Fuco> many ppl just pick windows because it's much more convient 15:42:04 <glx> but you have to pay for windows when you buy a new computer 15:42:07 <Celestar> but MS is working *VERY* hard to remove that choice. 15:42:17 <Celestar> DRM is one start of moving domination to a monopoly 15:42:21 <Celestar> so is Trusted Computing 15:42:52 * valhallasw gets into conflict with all linux window managers sooner or later :( 15:43:00 <valhallasw> somehow it doesn't work for me 15:43:24 <Celestar> valhallasw: which one is now your victim :P 15:43:32 <Fuco> you know microsoft was sued by united states?, If they make a monopol, there are still means to "fix" it 15:43:39 <valhallasw> windows is my current victim ;) 15:43:46 *** bruce89 [~bruce89@81-178-101-168.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 15:43:53 <Celestar> Fuco: by the EU as well. and what did change? nothing. 15:44:05 <valhallasw> I can't get along with KDE and gnome.. xfce kinda works 15:44:18 <Fuco> ok, you mean that winapi specs are there just because their good will 15:44:33 <Celestar> and you think M$ will not use their influence in any kind of govermental decision about its future? 15:44:36 <Fuco> i hardly think so 15:44:39 <Celestar> valhallasw: tried KDE 4.1 15:44:52 <Celestar> Fuco: what do WINAPI specs have to do with it? 15:44:55 <valhallasw> nope. is it better than KDE3? :P 15:45:00 <Celestar> valhallasw: 4.1 is much better imho 15:45:09 <Fuco> i think they released it after the cause against US 15:45:15 <Fuco> with* 15:45:43 <Celestar> well yes, it was one tinyish step to stop monopoly, but by far not enough 15:45:49 <Rubidium> many people just "pick" windows because they don't have another choice 15:45:49 <Yorick> I found a bug...when planes are autocleared, the runway is not cleared 15:46:19 <Fuco> but its not entirely microsoft's fault 15:46:34 <Rubidium> Fuco: really? 15:46:38 <Fuco> i mean, 99% of hardware doesn't have drivers for linux for example 15:46:41 <glx> why a computer is more expensive without windows? 15:46:54 <bruce89> Fuco: not Linux's fault 15:46:55 <Rubidium> Fuco: that's Microsoft FUD spreading 15:46:59 <glx> Fuco: most of them don't need it 15:47:11 <Fuco> like some new pretty GFX 15:47:13 <peter1138> 99%? Haha 15:47:20 <Celestar> Fuco: 99%? more like 20% 15:47:22 <peter1138> 1%, more like it. 15:47:32 <peter1138> And webcams... heh... 15:47:33 <glx> nvidia provides drivers for linux 15:47:41 <Fuco> since when? 15:47:45 <bruce89> ages 15:47:48 <Rubidium> reminds me of my old computer 15:47:48 <Celestar> YEARS 15:47:51 <Celestar> so does ATi 15:47:54 <Yorick> ... 15:48:01 <Celestar> AMD now 15:48:04 <Fuco> hmm 15:48:07 <Rubidium> windows couldn't install on it OOTB, linux could (and that was 5 years ago) 15:48:14 <bruce89> AMD/ATi released the specification AFAIK 15:48:29 <hylje> linux tends to have /better/ hardware support than windows these days 15:48:32 <bruce89> to their cards that is 15:48:33 <Yorick> I found a bug...when planes are autocleared, the runway is not cleared 15:48:44 <Fuco> glx: computer is not more expensive without windows 15:48:49 <Celestar> bruce89: yes, except for the 700series, the cards are open hardware 15:48:50 <Rubidium> Yorick: in what way is it a bug, the runway's removed anyways too 15:49:00 <bruce89> Celestar: I se 15:49:27 <Celestar> bruce89: the 700 series (Radeon 4xxx) will be released next years I think, or something. 15:49:29 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd691.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 15:49:38 <Yorick> Rubidium: please have some foresight about the future, it is a bug with airports without an owner 15:49:49 <peter1138> hylje, since Vista, yes. 15:50:00 <Celestar> Vista has hardware support? :P 15:50:00 <Rubidium> Yorick: there are SOO many things that don't work when you change a few lines 15:50:01 <peter1138> Vista dropped support for lots of things that previously were supported. 15:50:15 <Fuco> yes vista is evil :( 15:50:19 <frosch123> Celestar: Poke! 15:50:21 <glx> Yorick: airports always have an owner 15:50:24 <Yorick> Rubidium: but they get working when you change a few extra lines 15:50:38 <Celestar> frosch123: ouch (= 15:50:38 <Rubidium> Fuco: really, almost everyone getting a new computer takes Vista with it? 15:51:02 *** xahodo [~chatzilla@energy.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0/2008052906]] 15:51:06 <Fuco> but they can say they doesn't want it 15:51:28 <Fuco> or make a 'barebone' pc 15:51:49 <bruce89> allegedly, 33% have "downgraded" to XP 15:51:55 <Rubidium> yes, but then you usually (as in 75% of the time) have to pay extra 15:52:13 <glx> the only way is to build your computer yourself 15:52:29 <glx> and for most people it's not an option 15:52:39 <Celestar> glx: nope. Lenovo sells their laptops with SLED for example 15:52:52 *** adam- [~adam__@221.220.56.132] has quit [Quit: Quit] 15:53:19 <Fuco> then im wondering, if windows is so /bad/ and linux so /good/ why it has 1% share 15:53:35 <glx> Celestar: yes but most don't do it 15:53:55 <Yorick> glx> Yorick: airports always have an owner <-- oilrigs usually not owned 15:54:00 <Celestar> glx: correct. 15:54:02 <Rubidium> Fuco: because 99% of the people buy whatever they know 15:54:05 <SpComb> is OpenTTD's pathfinder smart enough to pick the right platform for through/terminus trains? 15:54:19 <SpComb> i.e. does it also conider the next order when choosing a platform? 15:54:20 <Fuco> just because Gates was first to see potential of PCs at home, id doesn't mean he is evil 15:54:23 <peter1138> SpComb, only with YAPP, apparently. 15:54:30 <Fuco> he just followed his 'dream' 15:54:36 <Fuco> and now he is successful 15:54:40 <Fuco> i can't blame him for that 15:54:44 <SpComb> peter1138: YAPP does? 15:54:57 <SpComb> so I don't need checkpoints for through/terminus platforms? 15:55:11 <Celestar> SpComb: why don't you make a testgame and try it (= 15:55:11 <Rubidium> they go to the shop and say: "I want an apple laptop of acer with windows and a quad core processor" 15:55:17 <SpComb> I am 15:55:25 <peter1138> That's what I just said. 15:55:30 <Fuco> Rubidium: and that's MS fault? 15:55:38 <Rubidium> and then get highly disappointed because they can't get it 15:55:52 <Rubidium> and then the company selling it sells the stuff that they make the most profit off 15:56:02 <Rubidium> which is selling windows 15:56:13 <Celestar> I've gotta go 15:56:16 <Rubidium> because they are almost guaranteed return customers with computer problems 15:56:27 <Celestar> peter1138: wanna continue my total cargo view thingy? (= 15:56:31 <Fuco> like with linux computer they wouldn't 15:56:32 <bruce89> you've cracked it 15:56:54 <bruce89> Fuco: depends on your experience 15:57:09 <glx> Fuco: and it's rarely an hardware problem 15:57:11 <Fuco> but we're talking about _common_ people 15:57:14 <bruce89> in general, you have to break Linuxes 15:57:20 <Celestar> peter1138: http://www.fvfischer.de/tcw.diff <= it's here 15:57:26 <bruce89> whereas Windows does it of its own volition 15:57:40 <SpComb> I've yet to figure out how to build an effective station that functions as both a through station and a terminus 15:57:54 <Fuco> bruce89: again, it depends on your experience 15:57:57 <Rubidium> just something funny about Windows: it boots faster and compiles OpenTTD in MSVC in VirtualBox running on Linux than on the raw hardware of my computer 15:58:02 <Fuco> i have the same windows install for 2.5 years now 15:58:08 <Celestar> me too. 15:58:21 <Eddi|zuHause> right... E 16 and long distance coaches... now the game can actually begin ;) 15:58:31 <Celestar> It takes about 2 minutes from BIOS to finished desktop 15:58:35 <bruce89> Fuco: moderately experienced people are better off with Windows, yes 15:58:36 <Celestar> OpenSUSE needs 40 seconds 15:58:43 <peter1138> Celestar, might take a look. Will be concentrating on my other project for a bit though. 15:58:44 <Yorick> "<Rubidium> Yorick: in what way is it a bug, the runway's removed anyways too" <-- how about oilrigs? 15:58:52 <Celestar> peter1138: pity ;) 15:58:54 <peter1138> Also figuring out why some payment hasn't gone out. 15:59:02 <Celestar> peter1138: we want that trunkified at some point :P 15:59:31 <peter1138> Well yes. 15:59:42 <peter1138> Hopefully in its first incarnation ;) 15:59:49 <peter1138> (Unlike newstations, many moons ago) 16:02:20 <Celestar> hm? 16:02:24 <Celestar> what happens with newstations 16:02:39 <Celestar> or happened* 16:03:29 <Yorick> SmatZ: about r14107, the problem is the stations that change when reserved...it needs the tile to be marked dirty even when the patch is off 16:04:13 <Celestar> @seen roujin 16:04:13 <DorpsGek> Celestar: roujin was last seen in #openttd 2 days, 17 hours, 38 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <Roujin> is he thinking at all? 16:05:43 <Celestar> g2 16:05:44 <Celestar> g 16:05:45 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@p5B0DAE28.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:05:55 *** LilDood [~IceChat7@cpc2-bolt5-0-0-cust370.manc.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:06:22 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CB84.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:06:39 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: smatz * r14109 /trunk/src/pbs.cpp: -Fix (r14107): marking reserved tile dirty is needed for waypoints and stations even when patch option is disabled 16:07:25 <Yorick> not for waypoints... 16:10:59 <Belugas> why not? 16:11:01 <SpComb> no, they are not capable of picking a terminus platform 16:11:16 <glx> Yorick: waypoints are like stations for newgrf 16:11:30 <Yorick> ok :) 16:12:51 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:13:27 *** DJNekkid_ [~chatzilla@static128-249.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 16:13:28 *** DJNekkid_ is now known as DJNekkid 16:13:47 <fjb> One of my 727 just crashed. :( 16:14:49 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 16:16:34 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@78-21-228-27.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:18:46 *** subzero [~subzero@ip0x1516612.pip.mvb.dk] has joined #openttd 16:18:49 * SpComb resorted to making trains also reverse at stations 16:19:02 <SpComb> someone needs to figure out a nice way to build combined through/terminus stations in OpenTTD 16:19:26 <ccfreak2k> Use waypoints? 16:19:31 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.55.244] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:20:15 <SpComb> cumbersome 16:20:35 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.21 :: www.esnation.com )] 16:20:49 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 16:22:16 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [] 16:22:17 <frosch123> SpComb: remove the order for the through-trains and let them stop using a non non-stop order for the next station 16:22:31 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 16:22:32 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... pf.yapf.rail_station_penalty <- is that per station or per station tile? 16:23:18 <peter1138> SpComb, terminus platform selection works for me. 16:23:24 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, tile, I would think. 16:24:02 <Eddi|zuHause> because it's set to 3000, that's a little much per tile... 16:25:15 <Eddi|zuHause> train wants to go through the reserved short platform instead of through the free longer platform... 16:25:19 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [] 16:25:35 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 16:25:37 *** Yorick [~Yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:31:03 <SpComb> frosch123: ooh... right 16:31:57 <SpComb> frosch123: although will that stop terminating trains from using the through platforms? 16:32:40 <frosch123> you could make the through platforms slightly longer as yapp applies penalties when train and station length differs 16:35:32 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-108-163.brnt.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:38:06 *** CommanderZ [~matej@81.30.238.40] has joined #openttd 16:42:56 <dih> i am having an issue with openttd becoming a zombie process 16:43:08 <dih> but only if run through autopilot in screen 16:44:06 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.21 :: www.esnation.com )] 16:44:25 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 16:44:30 <dih> any ideas? 16:45:33 <Farden> "use windows" 16:45:48 <Mortal> full screen is buggy? 16:46:02 <Belugas> cristal ball, cristal ball, tell me waht is the dih's problem... 16:46:05 <Belugas> go on... 16:46:07 <Belugas> TELL ME!! 16:47:33 <peter1138> He's dih. That's the problem. 16:47:52 <Farden> wow... powerfull! 16:48:01 * Farden bows in front of peter1138 16:48:25 <Forked> feed it brains and hope it goes away 16:50:49 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CB84.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:51:22 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: glx * r14110 /trunk/src/ (effectvehicle.cpp vehicle.cpp): -Fix: desyncs due to bubbles in toyland 16:52:51 <Farden> there are still people playing toyland? 16:53:41 <CommanderZ> I will play it once the brickland is finished. It looks gorgeous 17:00:00 <subzero> Which setting in the cfg is used to make a server loop and start over once it reaches it's end year ? for dedicated servers 17:00:19 <subzero> reload_cfg ? seems like restart game year doesnt do the trick 17:00:47 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577BA7A6.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:01:40 <glx> subzero: restart_game_year 17:01:46 <subzero> Hmmf 17:01:46 <subzero> :D 17:01:52 <glx> but it will create a new game 17:02:20 <subzero> Hmm, guess thats where it fails maybe 17:03:16 <subzero> I ran 3 servers earlier today, only 1 is running now 17:03:31 <subzero> maybe something is failing in screen, I cant shift pages after launching a server either 17:05:30 <Eddi|zuHause> gnah... to time this network correctly, i need a formula from km/h to tiles/day 17:06:22 <CommanderZ> from wiki...The game has many rules to make vehicles move fairly realistically. A vehicle travelling at 100 mph (160kph) will cross 5.6 tiles per day. 17:07:18 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host196-236-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:07:55 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@ip54534322.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 17:08:05 <Wolf01> hello 17:12:57 <subzero> If any server techie should appear, let me know! :D 17:13:51 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:18:33 *** Yorick [~Yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:18:48 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:22:03 <fjb> Tut is not the author of the OpenTTD FreeBSD port. :) 17:26:19 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:28:56 <bruce89> @seen _Ben_ 17:28:56 <DorpsGek> bruce89: _Ben_ was last seen in #openttd 20 weeks, 6 days, 14 hours, 34 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: <_Ben_> bye 17:31:22 <Sacro> yes? 17:38:10 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-108-163.brnt.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 17:41:49 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@ip54534322.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:47:43 <Brianetta> Belugas: That thing Sacro mentioned to you? Defintiely a bug. 17:48:11 <Sacro> Brianetta: it's running out :( 17:48:20 * Prof_Frink runs out 17:48:21 <Sacro> :'( 17:48:59 <Brianetta> It's just not a show stopper 17:49:07 <Belugas> definitively LOOKING like a bug... 17:49:13 <Belugas> not sure yet if it is one 17:49:30 <Brianetta> Belugas: Station spread was increased for that station, then decreased, when the station was walked to a nearby town 17:49:36 <Brianetta> That town's FPP is gone now 17:49:45 <Brianetta> but the other one, with the mystery suplpies, is new 17:49:58 <Brianetta> so it might have inherited something 17:50:11 <Belugas> could be that 17:50:53 <Brianetta> If you have the save, it was being supplied by Debourne East 17:51:04 <Belugas> no saves in here 17:51:07 <Belugas> at home only 17:51:15 <Belugas> and i was too tired to check stuff over 17:51:19 <Brianetta> which has a walked tile way off in the other direction (: 17:51:39 <Brianetta> I can provide historic saves for the game if you need to check it at various times 17:52:09 <Brianetta> And now, the plant in question has run out of supplies. 17:52:18 <Brianetta> Perhaps it's corrected itself... 17:52:52 <Belugas> maybe... hard to tell 17:53:00 <Brianetta> Sacro: The FPP onloy received supplies when Debourne's plant was fully stockpiled 17:53:03 <Belugas> yeah, history saves might be interestng 17:53:17 <Belugas> indeed, that is waht i've seen 17:53:36 <Brianetta> Surplus being teleported? 17:53:36 <Belugas> and that is what i've said to Sacro too 17:53:46 <Belugas> that's waht it looks like 17:53:51 <Brianetta> Could be a new industry cargo acceptance opt-out bug 17:54:13 <Belugas> that or a feature request been accepted 17:54:18 *** CommanderZ [~matej@81.30.238.40] has quit [] 17:58:18 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 18:05:29 *** Andel [~andel@owenrudge.net] has left #openttd [] 18:06:02 <Brianetta> Damned waypoint desync bug struck again 18:06:10 <Brianetta> It was *my* waypoint this time 18:09:37 <Yorick> have not discovered it yet 18:14:25 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-108-163.brnt.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 18:14:43 *** ben_goodger_ [~ben@host81-153-24-230.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:28:08 *** Tekky [~chatzilla@p5493E0F9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:28:27 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@ip54534322.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 18:30:09 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ad5.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:30:12 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 18:33:02 *** Yorick [~Yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 18:33:45 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@ip54534322.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:36:53 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-108-163.brnt.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 18:37:10 <Eddi|zuHause> i need a station on a bridge :( 18:37:26 <Eddi|zuHause> or a tram station in a tunnel :( 18:37:28 <Brianetta> Had to change compute 18:37:30 <Brianetta> r 18:45:26 <peter1138> Rrrrr! 18:45:44 <hylje> ARRRRR 18:45:52 <Ailure> so guys 18:46:01 <Ailure> how do I use the money in openTTD outside of the game 18:46:04 <Ailure> I could need a new car 18:46:11 <Ailure> :) 18:46:56 <|Jeroen|> retrace the steps u used to build your tansport empire and do it in the real world to 18:47:32 <Ailure> I would need a time machine in other words 18:47:54 <|Jeroen|> yes 18:47:58 <peter1138> Feh... always blaming it on the time machine... 18:48:08 <|Jeroen|> i bet i can find one on ebay 18:48:41 <Wolf01> no bank will lend him so many money for that project 18:49:00 <|Jeroen|> dunno if you send then your savegames they may 18:49:31 <Wolf01> I already tried to purchase a piece of Syberia to build an ALU with trains like the one made with OTTD 18:49:37 <hylje> transport infrastructure is overprized 18:50:15 <hylje> priced, even 18:50:16 <Ammler> why is cargo dest not a "official" branch ot openttd? 18:50:19 <Fuco> i dont think you can buy 400km of rails for 90 bucks 18:50:24 <Fuco> like in game 18:50:53 <Fuco> so "<|Jeroen|> dunno if you send then your savegames they may" < false :D 18:50:54 <hylje> Ammler: not stable enough 18:50:54 <glx> Ammler: why not? 18:51:10 <Ammler> not in svn.openttd.org/branches/ 18:51:13 <glx> hg is good enough for this kind of stuff 18:51:46 <peter1138> Better is the word I'd use. 18:51:52 <glx> right 18:52:04 <glx> the only "problem" is all the merge 18:52:14 <peter1138> That happens with svn branches anyway. 18:52:46 <glx> was fun when I did some things for it 18:53:16 <Ammler> is there now a better way to create a svn patch? 18:53:34 <glx> better than what? 18:53:34 <Ammler> then diff -u <svn> <hg> 18:54:07 <glx> hg diff can do that I think (but I don't know what to pass to it) 18:54:29 <peter1138> hg diff -r <lasttrunkmerge> 18:54:46 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-51-112.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:57:01 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-51-112.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 18:58:23 <Ammler> peter1138: that would output the changes since that merge 18:58:31 <Ammler> but cargo dest is much more... 18:59:04 <Belugas> yeah, it's an icon in openttd history 18:59:09 <Belugas> heeer... 18:59:12 <Belugas> hein? 18:59:45 <bruce89> that explains why git.openttd.org didn't bother itself 19:00:18 <peter1138> Ammler, no, last revision with "svn rxxxx" in it 19:00:27 <peter1138> 06f295088a7d at the moment. 19:01:05 <peter1138> Err 19:01:09 <peter1138> I mean ccea23aec951 :o 19:01:16 <peter1138> Had the wrong one highlighted :) 19:01:57 <glx> the one before the merge 19:02:01 <Ammler> and what about the patches before that merge? 19:02:24 <glx> Ammler: there are 2 heads until the merge commit 19:05:12 <Ammler> glx: 2 heads like 2 branches? 19:05:33 <glx> like that yes 19:05:35 <Prof_Frink> zomghydra 19:05:35 <Ammler> so I need to tell hg also to diff that? 19:05:42 <peter1138> No. 19:05:54 <peter1138> "hg diff -r ccea23aec951" is all you need. 19:06:08 <glx> you just need it to diff current with the rev before merge 19:06:42 <Ammler> that sounds too easy :-) 19:08:44 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@ip54534322.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 19:10:55 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: frosch * r14111 /trunk/src/strgen/strgen.cpp: -Fix (r2572): [strgen] Changing order of parameters {X:...} did not work for strings including some {StringY}. 19:13:46 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:17:52 *** Bean [~Mr.Bean@ip503d6a60.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 19:18:45 *** Bean [~Mr.Bean@ip503d6a60.speed.planet.nl] has quit [] 19:24:58 <Ammler> how to convert a "-p1" patch to "-p0"? 19:25:24 <frosch123> apply it and rediff? 19:25:29 <bruce89> why would you want to? 19:25:34 <Ammler> thought of that.. :-) 19:25:49 <Ammler> to make it compatible with BOTTD 19:25:53 <frosch123> you could also use sed though 19:27:44 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@ip54534322.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:28:32 <ln> Ammler: edit the paths 19:29:42 <Ammler> ln, that is obvious, I was looking, if patch has option for that, but sed might help... 19:31:54 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: frosch * r14112 /trunk/src/ (lang/english.txt newgrf_gui.cpp): -Fix (r13715)[FS#2232]: Action B custom messages with parameteers were broken. 19:34:12 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: frosch * r14113 /trunk/src/lang/ (35 files): -Codechange: Language updates for r14112. 19:36:36 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 19:39:07 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-150-046.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 19:41:08 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@ip54534322.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 19:42:10 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:44:29 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 19:45:56 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 19:53:56 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: frosch * r14114 /trunk/src/signs.cpp: -Fix [FS#2242]: Sign list was not properly updated on removal of signs. 19:55:05 *** thvdburgt [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:58:34 <Wolf01> 'night 19:58:40 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host196-236-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:01:55 <Eddi|zuHause> the biasing of the destinations based on station size, was that ever implemented? 20:03:22 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@ip54534322.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:11:19 <Belugas> hein? 20:16:43 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@78-21-228-27.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:17:45 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 20:17:50 <Eddi|zuHause> more people want to go to a station in the city, than to one in a village 20:18:11 <Eddi|zuHause> supposedly balancing out that more people come from that city station 20:18:22 <Eddi|zuHause> making the destinations more symmetric 20:18:56 <Eddi|zuHause> only it isn't really working... my local trains always leave the city full, and arrive at the city empty# 20:24:14 *** Pikka|tf2 [~PikkaBird@CPE-58-169-160-40.qld.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 20:25:07 *** Farden [~jk3farden@ram94-7-82-232-189-236.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:36:42 *** Farden [~jk3farden@ram94-7-82-232-189-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 20:44:36 <fjb> r14073noai has a bug in YAPP. I have one station where it forgets to clear the reserved tracks. 20:44:37 *** LilDood [~IceChat7@cpc2-bolt5-0-0-cust370.manc.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: bbl] 20:45:10 <glx> fjb: it's fixed in trunk I think 20:45:40 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd691.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:45:57 <fjb> Ok, then I have to wait till noai gets synchronized to trunk again. 20:47:14 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:51:41 <fjb> Oh, one town has a McDonalds drive in for trams. 20:51:49 *** KillaloT [~killalot@0x5738cc8b.rdnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The professional IRC Client] 20:55:19 <fjb> I need a ship set that knows abouit new cargos. 20:59:13 <glx> fjb: I'll do a sync tomorrow before the compile time 20:59:35 <fjb> That would be great. 21:00:25 <fjb> I can't play without YAPP anymore. 21:01:09 <glx> hmm but the only fix for YAPP I can see is r14103 ad it's not related to stations 21:01:48 <glx> so maybe it's a trunk bug, but you'll need to reproduce it in trunk 21:03:31 *** LilDood [~IceChat7@cpc2-bolt5-0-0-cust370.manc.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 21:04:49 <fjb> I don't know what causes the bug. It always happens at only one station. 21:08:58 *** thvdburgt [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:16:32 *** Farden123 [~jk3farden@ram94-7-82-232-189-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 21:16:32 *** subzero [~subzero@ip0x1516612.pip.mvb.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:16:51 *** subzero [~subzero@ip0x1516612.pip.mvb.dk] has joined #openttd 21:20:03 <Sacro> zerocool! 21:20:59 <Rubidium> Aston DB9? 21:23:23 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:23:48 *** Farden [~jk3farden@ram94-7-82-232-189-236.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:27:19 <Eddi|zuHause> <fjb> I need a ship set that knows abouit new cargos. <- i thought there was a newships enhancement like for the dbset? 21:27:31 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 21:32:16 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 21:37:00 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14115 /trunk/ (Makefile.bundle Makefile.msvc os/win32/installer/install.nsi): -Codechange: add make bundle_exe which makes a windows installer and unify the files that go into the bundles (zip/gz/bz2 etc) and installer. 21:38:08 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@ip54534322.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 21:43:24 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: fjb 21:43:31 <Ammler> it is called "nshp_ecs.grf" 21:44:43 <Amixbook> hey 21:53:22 *** MsG [~mathijs@ip175-172-59-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 21:53:51 <MsG> hi guys 21:53:55 <MsG> I was wondering 21:54:00 <MsG> I use Ubuntu and Windows Xp 21:54:05 <MsG> both same version of OTTD 21:54:10 <MsG> can I exchange savegames? 21:54:13 <MsG> without trouble? 21:54:15 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 21:54:17 <MsG> cool 21:54:23 <MsG> even if it werent same version? 21:54:37 <Eddi|zuHause> you can load older savegames in newer version 21:54:45 <MsG> because the repisotory of ubuntu has a lower ottd 21:54:46 <Eddi|zuHause> but not the other way 21:54:49 <MsG> but i downloaded the newest 21:55:39 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not sure if there was a savegame difference between 0.6.2 and 0.6.1 21:55:58 <MsG> I use both the same version atm 21:56:11 <MsG> when will the new graphics be implemented 21:56:23 <MsG> maybe I can make some new buildings with my Google Sketchup skills :P 21:56:48 <Ammler> MsG: you can also download newer deb from the official ottd download page 21:57:21 <MsG> yeah I did 21:57:35 <MsG> but the deb build has a filename like 6.2-1 and the windows just 6.2 21:57:45 <MsG> just the name I think? 21:57:51 <Ammler> that is the same 21:58:11 <MsG> What are the requirements of being a graphic guy to develop a building or two? 22:02:16 <Eddi|zuHause> well, you could first paint it, and then post in the graphics forum that you search for a coder 22:02:28 <Eddi|zuHause> or you can read up on the new graphics specs 22:02:43 <Eddi|zuHause> on http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=NewGraphicsSpecs 22:04:31 *** dvo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 22:06:05 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@ip54534322.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:09:25 <MsG> paint it? I see they are al modeled 22:10:41 <fjb> Ammler: The nshp_ecs.grf is not enginepool aware. 22:11:22 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:13:44 <Eddi|zuHause> well... whatever they call "painting" nowadays, i mean "make it into a picture" :) 22:14:26 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... the schedule of my local train has the same length as that of the express train... 22:15:05 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:15:19 *** dvo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:15:38 <MsG> any modelers online? 22:16:31 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think you find those around here 22:17:08 <MsG> ok 22:17:14 <MsG> Any dutch guys 22:17:46 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-137-132.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:19:15 <fjb> Are articulated road vehicles not able to overtake? 22:19:16 <ln> tÃ¥gets yttre dörrar kan först öppnas nÀr tÃ¥get har stannat och dörrens gröna signallampa brinner. 22:19:50 <fjb> Döner im Wald machen Signallampen schöner? 22:20:09 <ln> hier essen, bitte. 22:20:30 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-160-226.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 22:23:27 *** MsG [~mathijs@ip175-172-59-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:24:37 <Eddi|zuHause> "grÃŒner", nicht "schöner" ;) 22:26:09 <bruce89> MsG: the -1 means Debian revision number 1 22:26:42 *** jni [~geetee@cs181040004.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:31:13 *** LilDood [~IceChat7@cpc2-bolt5-0-0-cust370.manc.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: bed tiems] 22:33:18 <Brianetta> Sacro: You have 35k on teh game now 22:34:10 <ln> where are the photos of the meeting? 22:43:32 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14116 /trunk/Doxyfile: -Change [Doxygen]: making man-pages of the exports of the source isn't very useful as OpenTTD isn't a library. 22:45:58 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@ip54534322.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 22:48:06 <SpComb> hmm... drive through McDonalds for trams? 22:48:13 <SpComb> I don't see that being all too profitable 22:50:15 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@ip54534322.speed.planet.nl] has quit [] 22:51:05 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7EA98.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:52:50 <fjb> You are right. 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