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wtf 07:22:36 <SpComb> Mui. 07:22:45 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 07:22:57 <jpm> Hi 07:27:07 <jpm> Is there any list of gfx packs which are compatible with current truck? 07:27:43 <dih> did you google? 07:27:56 <dih> and those files are called GRF 07:28:51 <Alberth> @seen TrueBrain 07:28:51 <DorpsGek> Alberth: TrueBrain was last seen in #openttd 57 minutes and 38 seconds ago: <TrueBrain> I need to buy matches, maybe my eyes stay open that way 07:29:27 <Alberth> TrueBrain: Any particular reason why you posted the VCS URL links at the forum and not at the Wiki? 07:33:41 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:40:06 <jpm> dih: I did use google, search forum and GRFCrawler but no success... 07:40:27 <dih> jpm: you searched for grf pack? 07:40:36 <jpm> dih: yes 07:41:03 <jpm> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=38122&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=1980 07:41:15 <jpm> last two posts 07:41:22 <dih> you searched google for grf package? 07:41:38 <dih> i dont believe you if you say yes, because the first hit is a pretty good one 07:42:32 <jpm> First form google: http://tex.loria.fr/graph-pack/grf/grf.htm 07:42:57 <Alberth> ROFL!! 07:43:37 <dih> if i search for grf package i get a very very beautiful hit 07:43:44 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@mnch-5d873514.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 07:43:45 *** mode/#openttd [+o Celestar] by ChanServ 07:43:52 <dih> http://www.google.de/search?q=grf+pack 07:44:04 <Celestar> morning 07:44:08 <Celestar> mesa back 07:44:13 <Alberth> Celestar: Good morning 07:44:19 <jpm> Anyway same grf packages which I have been using are not compatible with r14325 anymore. Game crashes are couple of years 07:44:29 <Eddi|zuHause> you watch too much star wars :p 07:44:37 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: :P 07:45:06 <jpm> crashes after couple of years... 07:45:58 <dih> jpm: i just pointed you to a great google result page 07:46:01 <dih> have a look at that 07:46:38 <peter1138> Dih, google result pages are not always the same for everyone. 07:47:47 <dih> result pages may differ across the various domains (i.e. google.com and google.de) 07:48:33 <Alberth> In this case, I suspect there is a huge difference between searching for 'grf' and 'grf pack' 07:48:35 <Eddi|zuHause> domain is not relevant, afaik. more language settings and stuff 07:49:00 <Celestar> Rubidium: you got a sec? 07:49:27 <dih> jpm: visit www.openttdcoop.org 07:49:33 <dih> there is a link 07:49:48 <dih> Eddi|zuHause, and domain is also relevant 07:50:00 <jpm> dih: good page, I have been there many times. It would be nice to have last modified date information for grf packs... 07:50:37 <Alberth> jpm: Isn't the version number enough? 07:51:10 <dih> the date is displayed in brackets next to the version number 07:51:16 <dih> Version 7.2 (2008-08-14) 07:52:44 <jpm> dih, I mean individual grf packs like Estonian Town Names 07:53:20 <dih> that's not a grf PACKAGE 07:53:27 <dih> that's a grf 07:53:53 <dih> you either have the pack and they are all compatible, or you search for yourself :-P 07:54:28 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has joined #openttd 07:55:37 <Ammler> jpm: check the GRFLIST.html in the pack. 08:00:32 <jpm> hmm... 08:02:59 <jpm> Can you say are original grf files still compatible with truck or should I use OpenGFX files like opengfx1r.grf 08:04:45 <Alberth> Assuming 'original' means the GRF files from TTD, yesterday they were (and it is 'trunk' not 'truck') 08:05:35 <jpm> Alberth: okey, thanks. 08:09:24 <jpm> Maybe OpenGFX_-_newInfrastructure_v0.4.grf" target="_blank">v0.4.grf or OpenGFX_-_newInfrastructure_v0.4.grf" target="_blank">v0.4.grf is causing crash... 08:10:21 <jpm> Crashes in vehicle.cpp on line 953 : b >= v->top_coord) { 08:11:14 <jpm> in year 1960 08:11:17 <dih> then play without additional grf files and see what happens ;-) 08:11:18 <Ammler> you should use the newest files for bugreports... 08:11:36 <dih> and that 08:12:08 <jpm> Ammler: Where I can found newest grf files? From forum? from crawler? From google? 08:12:22 <Ammler> exactly 08:12:47 <jpm> aarg! 08:12:54 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 08:13:49 <dih> jpm, just for once try to find stuff yourself! :-P 08:14:03 <dih> try the forums, if there is something newer than you have, use that 08:14:15 <dih> try grf crawler, if you find something newer in there than you have, use that 08:14:26 <dih> try google, if you find something newer in there, use that 08:14:41 <dih> try the grf pack from openttdcoop, if you find something newer in there than you have, use that 08:15:08 <jpm> dih, I have been searching grf files for years... Sometimes I have managed to get working package. No its broken. 08:15:35 <dih> c'mon! 08:15:39 <dih> you have keywords 08:16:01 <dih> search the forums for opengfx_newinfrastructure 08:16:09 <dih> what is so hard about that? 08:16:34 <dih> just because it means you need to read a few pages before you get what you are after? 08:16:49 <dih> Ammler already hinted that there was a newer version of that said grf 08:18:20 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 08:18:28 <Eddi|zuHause> hmm... i still have not found a way to rearrange the windows in the taskbar... 08:18:36 <Eddi|zuHause> in kicker 08:19:20 <jpm> dih: Did you check out this: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=38122&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=1980 08:19:34 <dih> why would i - i am not searching for anything :-P 08:19:57 <dih> i am quite aware of the opengfx project 08:20:42 <jpm> dih: I was just wondering is there any list of grf files which are compatible current trunk? 08:20:50 <jpm> If not... 08:21:11 <jpm> I will do my searches... 08:21:29 <dih> most of the ones i know are in the openttdcoop grf pack 08:21:40 <dih> version 7.2 also still includes the opengfx project 08:22:08 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 08:22:36 <dih> now i searched for opengfx_newinfrastructure 08:22:41 <dih> and have already found a 0.5 08:22:45 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179223135.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:23:08 <dih> page 83 08:23:52 <Ammler> I know no newgrf which isn't compatible anymore, well, maybe it gives a strange debug output, but... 08:24:38 <dih> were there not authors who made their grf's incompatible for a reason? 08:25:00 <Ammler> well, I know none of them 08:25:23 <dih> Rubidium would know some i think 08:27:07 <peter1138> An incompatible GRF would not work properly in TTDPatch. 08:28:30 <jpm> Okey, what does this mean: Batti5 : The new infrastrucutre gives a fatal error, and much of the grfs dont work! in r14325 and FooBar's answer: Yes, we (or, at least, I) know. Will not be fixed though because opengfx1r.grf is almost complete and a test version released. Use that instead, or downgrade to an older version of OpenTTD. 08:29:38 <jpm> On page 100. http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=38122&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=1980 08:30:20 <Ammler> do you need translator or what? 08:31:01 <jpm> Ammler: maybe :) 08:32:06 <jpm> I thought there have been made big changes in trunk so that old grfs are not working anymore... 08:32:07 <Alberth> jpm: Welcome to bleeding edge releases 08:32:27 <jpm> Alberth: thanks 08:33:02 <Ammler> jpm: afaik only error/debug handling... 08:34:52 <peter1138> Very minor change. 08:35:18 <jpm> Okey... 08:40:49 *** reldred is now known as reldred|gone 08:42:40 <Alberth> jpm: In general, GRFs work afaik. However, some combinations work and others don't. Also, everything is actively being developed, so the set of working combinations changes in time. As long as you speak in general terms (GRFs in general), we cannot really help you due to the several zillion possible combinations that you may or may not use. If you have a specific combination that fails in trunk but not in the latest release, find out what the b 08:43:24 <Eddi|zuHause> your client fails :p 08:43:39 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5DA0B.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:43:56 <Eddi|zuHause> my client automatically breaks such long sentences into several lines ;) 08:46:04 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: This is still the first IRC client program that I use :P 08:48:07 *** reldred|gone is now known as reldred 08:48:44 <jpm> Alberth: I see, I was just seeking some centralized list of grf files to help finding working compinations. 08:50:03 <jpm> Maybe openttdcoop is provading most complete lists... 08:50:40 <peter1138> Well grfcrawler is supposed to be that... alas... 08:50:44 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.18.183.6] has joined #openttd 08:51:10 <insulfrog> hi 08:51:18 <Alberth> jpm: That list changes as a result of development. If you can find a way to keep it up-to-date for the zillion combinations, we will all be very happy 08:52:08 <jpm> Alberth: I will think about it... 08:53:09 <jpm> It would need grf compination tester. 08:55:44 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 08:56:18 * Celestar wants to merge cargodest :P 08:56:28 <Eddi|zuHause> please do ;) 08:56:57 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:57:38 <jpm> Eddi|zuHause: Wait a second, I will send it to you email in hour :) 08:58:04 <Eddi|zuHause> jpm: i was not talking to your 08:58:08 <Eddi|zuHause> -r 08:58:30 <jpm> =) 08:59:40 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: [FATAL] Client error: Memory leak - More RAM needed. More! More! More!] 09:02:43 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 09:02:44 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:03:12 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [] 09:23:38 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.18.183.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:24:07 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.21.236.249] has joined #openttd 09:38:54 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:48:53 *** Gekz__ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:50:17 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:53:20 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd6a6.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 09:54:07 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 09:55:16 <planetmaker> [10:25] [grf-talk] <Ammler> well, I know none of them <-- the latest canset might not work for revisions > r14000 09:56:11 <Ammler> it does not with dyn. pool 09:56:15 <planetmaker> but as the devellopers have gone sulking and withdrew them, it's mute to mind it. 09:56:19 <Celestar> http://frank.soic.de/exkursion/ice-erfurt-leipzig-halle/saale-elster-talbruecke/saale-elster-talbruecke_lageplan+.jpg <= heh .. nice bridge 09:57:02 <planetmaker> hehe :) yes 09:57:14 * planetmaker sees Celestar's next OpenTTD project dawning :P 09:58:06 <planetmaker> Celestar: just a random question: how good are chances to reduce the dependancy of cargodest on the boost package? 09:58:29 <Celestar> planetmaker: bad 09:58:32 <planetmaker> e.g. how much additional code will be integrated into trunk once you start merging it? 09:58:43 <planetmaker> the whole library sort-of? 09:58:51 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-139.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:58:56 <Celestar> planetmaker: the whole BGL needs to be installed during compile-time 09:59:08 <Celestar> planetmaker: no additional software is needed during run-time 09:59:21 <planetmaker> yeah, I was talking about compile-time :) 09:59:44 <Celestar> planetmaker: I dunno. maybe at some point I feel like writing a graph library :P 10:00:04 <planetmaker> :P I got doubts that that will be anytime soon :) 10:00:24 <Celestar> planetmaker: it's a pretty enormous project 10:00:30 <Celestar> planetmaker: I'll rather fix multistop first (= 10:00:35 <planetmaker> ^^ that's why :) 10:01:24 * Celestar wonders whether "neuron" has actually bothered to read the wiki/forum thread at all. 10:01:42 <planetmaker> you got yourself a rough schedule for the further cargodest development? (I don't want to nail or hold you liable to anything, just curious) 10:01:54 *** Zephyris [~Zephyris@90.242.95.60] has joined #openttd 10:02:42 <planetmaker> or, maybe rather guestimate than schedule :) 10:03:00 <Celestar> planetmaker: that depends on how much the Other Devs want change for a merge. I don't think I'll introduce new features to cargodest before the merge. 10:03:25 <Celestar> planetmaker: I think trunk merge might be possible in not too distance future (= 10:04:00 <planetmaker> no, sure, no new features, that'd be too much. KISS principle is always advisable, especially with new features :) 10:05:02 <Celestar> agreed. 10:05:18 <Celestar> feature wise, it's basically frozen for the moment 10:05:32 <planetmaker> the features are quite awesome :) 10:06:03 <Celestar> :D 10:06:09 <Celestar> I feel like doing another test 10:06:17 <Celestar> I have a bit of time tomorrow and next week 10:06:42 * planetmaker got no time till middle of 2nd next week... I'll head for conference early Monday morning 10:07:58 <planetmaker> but the dev servers is yours to use :) 10:07:59 <Celestar> I've just had 2 conference in the past 2 weeks. 10:08:08 <Celestar> I've return from Berlin yesterday night. 10:08:11 <peter1138> Pom te pom 10:08:21 <Celestar> it was my first ever try to use the ICE from Munich-Berlin and v.v. 10:08:33 <planetmaker> :) Should be alright, is it? 10:08:44 <Eddi|zuHause> Celestar: yeah, they are currently setting the pillars for the bridge 10:08:54 <Celestar> planetmaker: yes. but it takes 5.5h. 10:08:54 <planetmaker> I ever only tested half-way: Jena-Berlin or Jena-Munich (and vice versa) 10:09:25 <peter1138> Hmm 10:09:38 <planetmaker> yeah... going by plane saves you maybe two hours or so? (Considering check-in and travel times to and from the airports) 10:09:43 <peter1138> Artic road vehicle problems! 10:09:44 <Celestar> planetmaker: 1.5hrs about. 10:09:58 <Ammler> [11:59] <Celestar> planetmaker: I dunno. maybe at some point I feel like writing a graph library <-- copy&paste the boost? 10:10:00 <planetmaker> k :) 10:10:04 <peter1138> I just saw a 2 part vehicle with both parts on each other :o 10:10:12 <SpComb> YARR 10:10:13 <peter1138> It went into the depot and fixed itself. 10:10:23 <Celestar> planetmaker: yesterday from Berlin, we had 20 minutes delay in Leipzig, but arrived 5 Minutes early in Nuremburg. 10:10:25 <planetmaker> peter1138: lol :) 10:10:38 <murray> SpComb: talk like a pirate day was yesterday 10:10:39 <planetmaker> Celestar: he :) nice speed gain :) 10:10:44 <SpComb> pfft 10:10:50 <Eddi|zuHause> in Ammendorf they already started the bridge itself. i go by there every now and then 10:11:16 <Celestar> planetmaker: Without any modification, 5hours would be possible with a little schedule optimizations. 10:11:33 <Celestar> without modification to tracks. 10:11:35 <planetmaker> Celestar: and get rid of any error margin, probably :) 10:11:49 <Celestar> planetmaker: yeah, but >10% margin is a little much. 10:12:12 <Celestar> Munich-Nuremburg can be done in 55 minutes with an ICE3, the fastest schedule is 62 minutes however. 10:12:43 <planetmaker> not that bad, I think. 10% isn't that much IMO. 10:12:44 *** Kasceh [~Kasc@cpc2-leed7-0-0-cust124.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 10:13:01 <Kasceh> What would I need to type in console to increase station spread if I knew the rcon? 10:13:13 <Celestar> Kasceh: patch max_station_spread <value> ? 10:13:29 <planetmaker> otherwise: rtfm ;) 10:13:36 <Celestar> Kasceh: .. without "max_" 10:13:49 <Kasceh> so rcon pass patch station_spread xx? 10:14:01 <planetmaker> in general it's a good idea to check your config for the name of the patch option. 10:14:21 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host213-160-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 10:14:22 <planetmaker> rcon pass "patch station_spread 42" 10:14:49 <planetmaker> mind the " 10:15:06 <Kasceh> Ok, thanks 10:15:26 <planetmaker> btw, dear devs: May I propose to rename this "patch" into "set"? 10:15:32 <planetmaker> It's not really a patch but a setting... 10:15:39 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: it's embarrassing how long this country needs for 100km of high speed track :P 10:16:03 <Wolf01> hello 10:16:13 <Celestar> bongiorno 10:16:21 <planetmaker> moin :) 10:16:26 <Eddi|zuHause> Celestar: well, this bride does cross nature-protection areas and stuff... 10:16:57 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm actually wondering how they managed to get permission at all :p 10:17:07 <Kasceh> Where is the config file 10:17:16 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: I'm too, but since permission is there, they could as well hurry 10:18:13 <Eddi|zuHause> well, according to my observations, they put up like one pillar per week... 10:18:18 <Alberth> Kasceh: What about searching for openttd.cfg? 10:18:21 <Wolf01> what's the progress with the mind control device for OTTD?... oh wait.. that was a dream 10:18:28 <Kasceh> Ah, i was searching for just "config" :p 10:18:30 <Celestar> me->shower(); 10:19:07 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: there was a link for a BCI adapter a while ago 10:19:23 <planetmaker> me->give(Celestar,soap) ;) 10:22:31 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:23:16 <ln-> http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/09/19/microsofts-im-a-pc-ads-created-on-macs/ 10:23:32 <ln-> http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/lpc_2008_keynote.html 10:23:47 <Eddi|zuHause> a like 10 years ago they had a presentation at our school how they were planning the route, and they considered like 4 alternative routes. one was a little further south, which would have passed through a chemical industry area, but after they made ground tests they quickly threw away that idea, as they would have spent enormous amounts of money to get rid of the top layer of earth first :p 10:25:19 <Eddi|zuHause> another alternative was, instead of using the old thuringian entrance (Eisenach-Erfurt-WeiÃenfels-Halle), they would take the entrance of the Kassel-Nordhausen-Halle track, a little further north, but then they would have built through a mining area, where the ground was unstable 10:25:37 <Eddi|zuHause> (there was an earthquake a few years ago) 10:25:44 <Eddi|zuHause> (due to a collapsing mine) 10:26:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't remember what the fourth option was 10:27:31 <Ammler> planetmaker: maybe it is meant to "patch" the setting ;-) 10:29:59 <planetmaker> :P 10:30:30 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: that should be a small patch ;) 10:31:37 <Ammler> ln-: amateurs = debian? 10:31:58 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BADA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:32:15 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: :) possibly 10:32:23 <planetmaker> nice pun :) 10:33:19 *** rk47 [~rk47@bl10-135-223.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 10:33:28 <rk47> hello! 10:33:43 <rk47> i have some question to make about ottd.. 10:33:49 <rk47> can someone help me? 10:35:08 <rk47> is it possible to rotate map? :s 10:35:52 <rk47> ... 10:35:57 <rk47> is this empty? 10:36:02 <ln-> yes, sir 10:36:03 <helb> rk47: no 10:36:18 <rk47> no rotate map.. 10:36:30 <rk47> but was it possible in the original ottd? 10:36:36 <Vikthor> no it was not 10:37:19 <rk47> ok 10:37:22 <rk47> tks 10:37:25 *** rk47 [~rk47@bl10-135-223.dsl.telepac.pt] has left #openttd [] 10:43:46 *** trainboy2004 [~trainboy2@cp734887-a.gelen1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 10:46:09 *** trainboy2004 [~trainboy2@cp734887-a.gelen1.lb.home.nl] has quit [] 10:50:20 *** KillaloT [~killalot@0x5738c898.rdnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 10:53:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r14362 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r3403): Also connect multiheaded parts in free wagon chains. 10:58:33 <peter1138> ðð©ðº? 10:58:36 <peter1138> Aww 10:59:08 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 11:04:50 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 11:06:21 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:08:54 <insulfrog> cya :) 11:08:57 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.21.236.249] has left #openttd [] 11:19:45 <Doorslammer> I didnt realise that he wanted to draw the Iranian 141 himself :S 11:20:34 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:20:59 <Doorslammer> Not being biased or anything, davidx123's one was crap :P So Ive provided him with a new sprite :) 11:21:11 * Doorslammer adds his own brownie points to the table 11:21:14 <peter1138> Well, that's not surprising. 11:21:37 <Doorslammer> Does he even know what he wants in the set? 11:22:12 <Doorslammer> I dont have a clue where it's going. I dont know which countries, what locos etc. 11:22:14 <peter1138> Don't expect a newbie to know anything... 11:22:30 <Doorslammer> Oh I'm not, trust me ;) 11:23:23 <Doorslammer> I do want a success at least, because it is rather different and a good idea, just hope he clearly defines what it's all about very soon 11:25:39 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@mnch-5d873514.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:26:47 *** Zephyris_ [~Zephyris@90.242.95.60] has joined #openttd 11:26:59 *** Zephyris_ [~Zephyris@90.242.95.60] has quit [] 11:30:27 *** Zephyris [~Zephyris@90.242.95.60] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:38:21 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:46:07 *** European [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 11:52:41 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:55:44 * peter1138 wonders if, in the absence of shared infrastructure, cargodest could be made to work between adjacent stations. 11:56:14 *** sunkan [sunkan@sunkan.bsnet.se] has joined #openttd 12:04:11 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: [FATAL] Client error: Memory leak - More RAM needed. 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More!] 12:04:51 *** Geronimo [~chatzilla@213.191.125.99] has joined #openttd 12:04:55 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-141-71.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 12:05:24 *** Geronimo [~chatzilla@213.191.125.99] has left #openttd [] 12:05:37 *** Gero [~chatzilla@213.191.125.99] has joined #openttd 12:13:42 *** Gero [~chatzilla@213.191.125.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:24:38 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5350C1D1.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:25:57 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5350C1D1.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 12:34:08 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@147.251.215.232] has joined #openttd 12:45:44 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@p549700F1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:45:46 *** mode/#openttd [+o Celestar] by ChanServ 12:51:31 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] by SmatZ 12:51:53 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:52:41 <Alberth> yorick: So much trouble just to get in :P 13:08:17 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@p549700F1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:12:29 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 13:12:39 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 13:12:49 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has left #openttd [] 13:15:32 <peter1138> Oh really. 13:25:50 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577B9BC6.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 13:41:00 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:42:48 *** Slowpoke [~Lobster@dslb-088-073-189-148.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:54:53 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@e179223135.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:54:53 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179223135.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:54:53 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 13:55:23 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.187.100.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #openttd 14:04:44 *** Gekz__ is now known as Gekz 14:05:40 *** FR^2 [fr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 14:07:53 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 14:07:59 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:10:58 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 14:11:06 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:11:54 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 14:16:15 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:17:04 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 14:17:31 <roboboy> fixing a problem with mibbit 14:17:31 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 14:17:31 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 14:17:32 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:17:36 <roboboy> fixing a problem with mibbit 14:17:36 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 14:17:37 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 14:17:41 <roboboy> fixing a problem with mibbit 14:17:41 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 14:17:41 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 14:17:51 <roboboy> mibbit was restarted 14:18:24 <yorick> what? 14:19:21 <peter1138> His internet connection sucks, so instead of having it fixed, he uses a web-based IRC client. 14:19:42 <Sacro> x-chat worked for him 14:20:10 <roboboy> kinda 14:21:05 <roboboy> lets see if x-chat gets in again 14:21:08 <ln-> the quit/join flood is not enough, he has to even say something every time 14:21:50 <roboboy> would you rather know why im part joining than random spam? 14:22:15 <peter1138> Not really. :) 14:22:48 <roboboy> well i reported the bug to both chrome and mibbit 14:23:32 <Doorslammer> Gawd's sake, more mibbits than a bloody frog 14:24:06 *** FR^2 [fr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by caffein depletion...] 14:30:43 *** European_swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 14:30:44 *** European_swallow is now known as Swallow 14:32:21 *** European [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:34:51 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:34:54 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:36:16 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B4335.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:36:38 <sulai> hey =) 14:36:53 <sulai> how are you guys doing :) 14:40:59 *** reldred is now known as reldred|gone 14:49:30 *** Tekky_ [~chatzilla@p5493D158.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:55:14 *** Tekky [~chatzilla@p5493CEF8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:55:27 *** Tekky_ is now known as Tekky 14:56:06 <ccfreak2k> peter1138, if he has a shell server, he can do what I do and use psybnc. 14:59:32 *** Tekky_ [~chatzilla@p5493F0E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:03:27 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 15:04:01 *** Tekky__ [~chatzilla@p5493D61D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:05:13 *** Tekky [~chatzilla@p5493D158.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:05:14 *** Tekky__ is now known as Tekky 15:05:37 *** Muppis [~Muppis@90-227-134-101-no52.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: <!Proppen> pe > chicks] 15:11:02 *** Tekky_ [~chatzilla@p5493F0E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:16:06 *** Dr_AFKyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0CDA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:17:00 *** teggigi [~asd@ti0056a340-dhcp0311.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:20:56 *** Reemo [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0C90B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:20:58 *** Adrina [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0CDA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:23:11 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0C90B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:28:08 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 15:29:46 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@147.251.215.232] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 15:30:06 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@147.251.215.232] has joined #openttd 15:35:31 *** Tekky__ [~chatzilla@p5493BC9A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:41:14 *** Tekky [~chatzilla@p5493D61D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:41:28 *** Tekky__ is now known as Tekky 15:42:37 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 16:08:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r14363 /trunk/src/video/win32_v.cpp: -Fix [FS#2206]: some keypress combinations could be handled twice 16:10:11 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0CDA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:11:06 <Kasceh> ugh 16:11:15 <Kasceh> Is there a command to see a company list and their id? 16:11:22 <peter1138> Yes. 16:11:27 <Kasceh> What is it? 16:11:30 *** Tekky__ [~chatzilla@p5493C78F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:17:11 *** Tekky [~chatzilla@p5493BC9A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:17:13 *** Tekky__ is now known as Tekky 16:21:02 *** helb_ [~helb@84.244.90.203] has joined #openttd 16:21:12 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:22:07 <jpm> Kasceh: http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Console_Commands 16:28:57 <Doorslammer> I'm not a good judge of these sorts of things, Ted, but I'd guess there is about 17 million people in here... 16:31:30 *** Tekky__ [~chatzilla@p5493C791.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:35:51 *** teggigi [~asd@ti0056a340-dhcp0311.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 16:37:14 *** Tekky [~chatzilla@p5493C78F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:37:27 *** Tekky__ is now known as Tekky 16:37:58 *** christian [~christian@f054212086.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:42:50 *** christian [~christian@f054212086.adsl.alicedsl.de] has left #openttd [] 16:49:21 <TrueBrain> Wolf01: biker-addition is COOL! 16:51:04 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-139.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [] 16:51:16 <Forked> if you have access to a "shell server", why use psybnc? just use irssi :) 17:00:39 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0CDA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.lagerwiki.de - das Wiki rund um's Thema Lager und Logistik] 17:00:48 *** Dr_AFKyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0CDA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.lagerwiki.de - das Wiki rund um's Thema Lager und Logistik] 17:01:50 *** Adrina [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0CDA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.lagerwiki.de - das Wiki rund um's Thema Lager und Logistik] 17:11:57 <sulai> what about making string_func object oriented? I was just trying to create an own news message and it's a pain ;) 17:12:32 <TrueBrain> sulai: feel free 17:13:32 <sulai> hm not sure if I have enough knowledge of the code to do that 17:14:00 <sulai> and even if I did, how propably is it to get into the trunk... it's not very likely I think 17:14:25 <SpComb> next time roboboy is here, someone tell him that you can give /part a message... 17:15:02 <peter1138> sulai, what would it gain? 17:15:29 <sulai> peter1138: ever tried to add another news message? 17:15:53 * frosch123 added some for autoreplace 17:16:07 <Wolf01> TrueBrain: yeah 17:16:31 <peter1138> No, but I don't see how string_func.h is related. 17:16:38 <sulai> I'm newbie to the code... and I just see... SetDParam.. hm what for??! 17:17:13 <frosch123> to fill the {xxx} with content 17:17:15 <Eddi|zuHause> SetDParam sets the values that will be replaced for {STRING}, {COMMA} etc. 17:17:23 <sulai> if it was object oriented it would look like: my_string.setparam... ok a little less confusion ;) 17:17:24 <peter1138> "I don't know what it's for, therefore I'll rewrite it all"? 17:17:33 <yorick> Eddi: {COMMA} ?! 17:17:42 <yorick> you can replace ',' by something else? 17:17:45 <sulai> Eddi|zuHause: I know... but it's not very nice coding style 17:18:05 <Wolf01> TrueBrain: today I unlocked 13 cars and all the B class events 17:18:05 <Eddi|zuHause> yorick: i have a patch for that on flyspray ;) 17:18:21 <yorick> still shouldn't be with DParam 17:18:33 <TrueBrain> Wolf01: I only played with Motors lately :) 17:18:33 <peter1138> yorick, gives a number with commas. 17:18:40 <peter1138> 1,000 instead of 1000 17:18:41 <TrueBrain> 40% done, and many MP thingies :) 17:18:51 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B835E2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:19:01 * yorick hides back under stone 17:19:06 <Eddi|zuHause> sulai: no, it uses global variables, it is definitely not nice style, but it is there and it works 17:19:19 <sulai> jep... 17:20:04 <Eddi|zuHause> you don't just spend hours or even days replacing something just because it is bad style 17:20:17 <peter1138> You'll have fun with converting windows. 17:20:23 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81726.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:20:26 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 17:20:41 <Wolf01> me 43% done and only 2 MP objectives 17:20:41 <Eddi|zuHause> you only rewrite something because it reduces maintenance reduces by several orders of magnitude 17:20:45 <frosch123> and newgrf texts :) 17:20:56 <sulai> I just wonder if we could do it object oriented... don't know how much work it is, and the latest thing I want to do is to ask some of you to do it ;) 17:21:51 <yorick> now I wonder why windows thinks that referencing a NULL pointer is a problem caused by Trojan.PWS.Legmir.AD / W32.Ahlem.A@mm 17:21:59 <sulai> hm but anyway I got news ;) 17:22:35 <sulai> I just made a patch which shows a newspaper if some player gets a new performance rate title 17:23:11 <sulai> (thats why I had some contact to SetDParam()) 17:23:29 <glx> SetDParam() is easy to use 17:23:44 <yorick> I wouldn't like even more news... 17:26:49 <frosch123> NewNews could be an addition to NewObjects and NewDisasters 17:27:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r14364 /branches/noai/src/rail_cmd.cpp: [NoAI] -Add: add the ability to CmdBuildSingleSignal to directly place the correct signal, instead of requiring multiple inputs before doing so 17:28:55 <sulai> yes... and news can be turned off 17:29:27 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.21.236.249] has joined #openttd 17:29:40 <insulfrog> hi all 17:30:58 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: newobjects, is that like eyecandy buildings? 17:31:18 <frosch123> ask Belugas or Lakie, but I think so 17:32:17 <Eddi|zuHause> i had this idea once, that such eyecandy objects, in conjunctions with newgrf_ports could be used to create non-station predefined road layouts. like cloverleaf highway crossings 17:32:23 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:33:21 <Eddi|zuHause> things that wouldn't be possible by just putting (new)road bits together 17:37:03 <Lakie> Just eye candy objects. 17:37:26 <Lakie> There is no code to even handle a rv or train trying to enter the tile let alone how to move it on the tile 17:43:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r14365 /trunk/src/rail_cmd.cpp: -Backport (r14364 from NoAI): add the ability do CmdBuildSingleSignal to directly place the correct signal, instead requiring multiple inputs before doing so 17:48:43 <sulai> There's my patch, hope you like it :) http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=39679&p=730381 17:48:57 <sulai> anyway, i gotta go 17:49:02 <sulai> cya soon :) 17:49:10 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B4335.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 17:58:01 *** helb_ [~helb@84.244.90.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:59:35 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has joined #openttd 18:02:11 <Eddi|zuHause> Lakie: well, yes, the movement part would come from newgrf_ports (once it is extended to bus/tram stations) 18:08:52 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ad5.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:08:55 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 18:14:35 <Lakie> What level of overhead would that add for objects newgrf specs though? 18:14:49 <Lakie> Also I can't see why you need objects for that end 18:31:39 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@e179052161.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:31:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r14366 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r14362): Match multiheaded parts starting from the first vehicle in a chain. 18:31:58 <frosch123> don't complain about desyncs for today's nightly :) 18:33:40 *** nckomodo [~nckomodo@scottb.carrollwater-wifi0.amplex.net] has joined #openttd 18:33:55 <TrueBrain> frosch123: I have a desync! :p 18:34:29 * TrueBrain goes sit in a corner being quiet and all 18:34:29 <Wolf01> Eddi|zuHause: do you mean something like the highway junctions on sim city 3000? 18:34:55 <frosch123> well, actually I guess I am lucky, as it is not that easy to trigger 18:34:57 <Eddi|zuHause> more like those of 4000 18:35:01 <Wolf01> http://www.sc3000.com/images/kt/highway_alt_t_intersection.jpg 18:35:57 <nckomodo> holy crap that looks awesome 18:36:18 <Eddi|zuHause> no, 3000 is rubbish 18:36:20 <nckomodo> and then suddenly I realized it was not OTTD 18:36:23 <nckomodo> and I frowned 18:36:25 <nckomodo> on the inside 18:36:25 *** European_swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 18:36:29 <Eddi|zuHause> it doesn't have the indirect loops 18:37:02 <Eddi|zuHause> which is unsuitible for ottd, because they should actually be used... 18:37:06 <frosch123> silly junction, you cannot turn left 18:38:33 <Wolf01> that's their idea of a cloverleaf: http://www.sc3000.com/images/kt/cloverleaf.jpg 18:39:03 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179223135.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:39:03 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 18:39:06 <Eddi|zuHause> that's the silliest thing i have ever seen... 18:39:35 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.kurumi.com/roads/interchanges/simcity4_cloverleaf.jpg 18:40:07 <Eddi|zuHause> you could place those as a whole, and then attach normal highways to each end 18:40:34 <TrueBrain> wow, did I end up in the wrong channel 18:40:36 <TrueBrain> simcity .. 18:40:37 <TrueBrain> darn .. 18:40:41 <nckomodo> eww 18:40:42 <nckomodo> 3d 18:40:58 <TrueBrain> today I many times heard about teleports, but this .. 18:43:24 <Eddi|zuHause> you could theoretically do that with just newgrf_ports, but then it would have to be a station, which is not really desireable 18:43:42 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:44:14 <Wolf01> set it as a non-stop destination and you have a waypoint-junction 18:45:01 * TrueBrain back to his bikes .. I like driving bikes :) 18:45:53 <Wolf01> http://www.sc3000.com/knowledge/showarticle.cfm?id=1095&openItemID= those are more TT-like, they try to do with roads what we do with rail :D 18:46:01 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: You have a very idealized vision of newgrf_ports :) 18:46:12 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i do ;) 18:46:31 <TrueBrain> frosch123: maybe Eddi|zuHause wants to join the team on newgrf_ports? :) 18:47:08 <Ammler> Wolf01: join before split :P 18:47:34 <Wolf01> they have basetunnels!!! 19:01:21 <Eddi|zuHause> damn, now i need to play sc4 again... 19:01:39 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i have no idea if it even runs under wine 19:01:48 <Eddi|zuHause> and i have also no idea where i put it... 19:04:02 *** nick [~nickds@cpc2-nthc5-0-0-cust388.nrth.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 19:04:38 <nick> how can i prevent people mass terraforming til the point it destroys the map in a multiplayer game ? 19:05:01 <Bjarni> take all their money 19:05:14 <peter1138> Or password protect the server and don't give out the password... 19:05:44 <nick> hmm 19:05:53 <nick> i want it to be public as 90% of public play nice 19:06:10 <Bjarni> trace the IPs of the offenders and show up at their home and beat the shit out of them 19:06:33 <Sacro> ooh 19:06:36 <Sacro> there's someone at the door 19:06:50 <Bjarni> :D 19:06:55 <Bjarni> BONUS!!! 19:07:01 <jpm> OTTD Warrior! 19:07:53 <Slowpoke> Watch out, Sacro, it's Bjarni! 19:08:08 <nick> is there a way to make teraforming cost a lot !? 19:08:36 <Bjarni> yeah 19:08:44 <jpm> nick: make a patch. 19:08:51 <jpm> as I did 19:08:55 <Bjarni> write a patch to increase cost and wait two years for it to be committed 19:08:56 <Wolf01> there's a grf 19:09:44 <Wolf01> basecosts or how it is called 19:10:06 <Bjarni> actually it would be nice to have a limit (maybe based on company size) where terraforming is as it is now below the limit and once you are over, it either cost a fortune or you can't at all 19:10:24 <Bjarni> something like you can only terraform x times every month 19:10:31 <Bjarni> err 19:10:34 <Bjarni> x tiles 19:10:44 <Ammler> or based on town rating 19:10:47 <Bjarni> which would prevent huge drag n drop terraforming 19:11:25 <Bjarni> Ammler: how would town rating prevent a single huge terraforming? 19:11:31 <Wolf01> it would be nice to have the terraforming cost as cost^tiles, so you can terraform one tile per time, but more tiles you terraform more you pay 19:11:50 <Bjarni> that would make drag n drop useless 19:11:54 <Ammler> Bjarni: first there shouldn't be a min. for town rating 19:12:05 <yorick> people would just create new commands 19:12:06 <Ammler> (switch off tree cheating) 19:12:30 <Wolf01> maybe this behavior could be enabled when the number of tiles is larger than 10x10 19:12:31 <Ammler> then you can only as much terraform as your town allows, like stations 19:13:26 <Bjarni> max number of terraformed tiles/month would actually be interesting 19:13:42 <Bjarni> specially if the number is really low 19:14:02 <Bjarni> like 10 19:14:09 <Bjarni> would make the game harder 19:14:33 <Bjarni> and surely build on slopes wouldn't count as terraforming 19:15:01 <Wolf01> the limit should be based on the difficulty 19:15:15 <Ammler> that should also splitted, terraforming and foundations have same base. 19:15:16 <Bjarni> either that or a server setting 19:15:34 <peter1138> Splitted is not a word. 19:15:57 * Bjarni still wonders what Ammler actually intend to say 19:16:08 <Bjarni> *intended 19:16:40 <peter1138> He meant to say: 19:16:59 <murray> < Ammler> murr4y is the coolest and most evil skull on the planet 19:17:06 <peter1138> Maybe the base cost for terraforming and using foundations should be split up. 19:17:14 <Bjarni> murray: muhahhahaha 19:17:22 <peter1138> (To which I say, nope.) 19:17:23 <murray> that's what he meant to say 19:17:32 <Ammler> well almost ;-) 19:17:39 <Ammler> without "maybe" 19:17:42 <peter1138> murray, your goal is to be an evil skull? 19:17:53 <murray> i AM an evil skull! 19:18:08 <peter1138> Oh, well, if you're making demands, you can also bugger off. 19:18:12 <Bjarni> he is the most evil skull in the world 19:18:33 <Bjarni> be nice to him or he will scare you 19:18:45 <Bjarni> he might scare you even if you are nice to him though 19:18:45 <peter1138> No, the only skulls that scare me were those in Doom. 19:19:05 <Bjarni> murray: now it's time to go "BOO!" 19:19:13 <murray> BOOOOH! 19:19:22 <Bjarni> muhahaha 19:20:30 <Ammler> peter1138: why wouldn't you split that? 19:20:40 <peter1138> Oh, they were Lost Souls, weren't they? 19:20:57 <Bjarni> I don't know 19:21:03 <Bjarni> I never really understood Doom 19:21:18 <Ammler> doesn't newgrf basecost allow it? 19:21:21 <peter1138> Well no, you're a Mac user. 19:21:41 <Bjarni> I never really understood 1st person shooting games 19:21:59 <murray> what's there to understand? 19:22:06 <Bjarni> I don't know 19:22:52 <murray> so.. you just don't enjoy them? 19:23:14 <Bjarni> <peter1138> Well no, you're a Mac user. <-- I actually tried Doom before I got my first mac 19:23:36 <Bjarni> <murray> so.. you just don't enjoy them? <-- what's there to enjoy? 19:24:50 <murray> good question, however, they kinda vary in quality 19:24:57 <murray> the hl2 experience is imo epic 19:24:58 <jpm> Is there any way to change username for forum? 19:25:16 <Bjarni> hl2? 19:25:29 <murray> half-life 2 19:25:51 <Bjarni> I think the goal of killing everything that moves is kind of sick 19:26:04 <murray> some fps has that as goal, not all 19:26:07 <Bjarni> in fact killing in 1st person perspective is kind of sick 19:26:15 <murray> nah, why 19:26:17 <murray> better than killing irl 19:26:30 <nckomodo> I never finished hl2 19:26:36 <Bjarni> I never started 19:26:36 <murray> ALYX DIES 19:26:37 <nckomodo> those antlions bugged me to no end 19:26:38 <murray> oops 19:26:46 <nckomodo> well 19:26:51 <nckomodo> the first hl2 19:26:56 <nckomodo> but I've played ep1 and ep2 19:27:16 <frosch123> jpm: once a year there is a topic in one of the general forums, where you can request nick changes 19:27:26 <nckomodo> I skipped ahead to nova prospekt and had the same experience 19:27:27 <frosch123> but this year there was already one 19:27:40 <Bjarni> <murray> better than killing irl <--- around 20% of all murders are inspired from TV (where the killer copies something from TV) 19:27:51 <Bjarni> nobody knows if the same is true for computer games 19:27:56 <jpm> frosch123: okey, I have time... 19:28:08 <nckomodo> around 20% of all murders are because people are complete fucking morons/sociopaths 19:28:27 <nckomodo> whose parents did a very bad job at raising them 19:28:38 <murray> did you know, about 76% of all statistics is grabbed from thin air 19:28:41 <nckomodo> and also involve TV 19:28:49 <nckomodo> otherwise it would be much higher 19:28:51 <nckomodo> and bleh 19:29:03 <Bjarni> <murray> did you know, about 76% of all statistics is grabbed from thin air <-- I don't trust that number 19:29:04 <peter1138> About 92.5% of statistics are made up. 19:29:17 <nckomodo> more or less throwing the babby out with the bathwater 19:29:18 <peter1138> 20% is pretty well made up... 19:29:24 <frosch123> 80% of all germans dislike forest dieback 19:29:31 <Wolf01> bah, you always finish to talk about real life... 19:29:46 <nckomodo> 40% of me is actually john travolta 19:29:56 <Bjarni> I can't remember the precise number but it was pretty close to 1 out of 5, hence around 20% 19:30:10 <nckomodo> "precise" 19:30:13 <Bjarni> somehow I read this as you aren't taking me seriously 19:30:18 <nckomodo> """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""' lots of quotes 19:30:19 <murray> :D 19:31:18 <glx> almost all statistics miss 1% 19:31:18 <Bjarni> I will kick the next person who claims that I can't be trusted on my statements 19:31:31 * murray zips it 19:31:41 <nckomodo> I'm going to go kick people in the face in SMOD 19:31:42 <frosch123> [21:32] <glx> almost all statistics miss 1% <- that is me :) 19:31:48 <nckomodo> That amuses me to no end 19:31:52 <Bjarni> murray: why? :) 19:32:04 <Bjarni> use 7z compression instead 19:33:00 <nckomodo> whats also amusing is when I realized turning our old CRT TV on and off would cause a cord laying infront of the screen to swing wildly back and forth 19:33:15 <nckomodo> this amused me for 5 minutes 19:33:23 <Bjarni> interesting 19:33:43 <Bjarni> did you turn it on and off by pulling the cord in and out of the outlet? 19:33:50 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i have some old vc4 images, but can't figure out how to mount them in linux... 19:33:57 <ben_goodger> fleming rule ftw 19:34:14 <nckomodo> Bjarni nah, I used the remote 19:34:46 <Bjarni> then how did you affect the cord? 19:35:09 <Bjarni> you can't tell me that the remote pushed it away in order to reach the TV with it's beam 19:35:37 <ben_goodger> Bjarni: a sufficiently powerful magnetic field will exert a sizeable force on a wire with a current flowing through it 19:35:42 <nckomodo> turning the TV on and off caused surges of static electricity and 19:35:46 <Eddi|zuHause> <murray> i AM an evil skull! <- remember the talking skull in monkey island 3? 19:35:49 <nckomodo> yeah what he said 19:36:12 <murray> fear my wrath! shiver in fear! 19:36:22 <Bjarni> shiver me timber 19:36:30 <Bjarni> oh wait, that was yesterday 19:36:33 <nckomodo> well, I dont think it was the surges of static electricity 19:36:36 <murray> yeah that was yesterday 19:36:37 <Eddi|zuHause> i should stop playing these games in german... 19:37:01 <nckomodo> but I think it was what had gathered on the TVchanging polarity 19:37:06 <nckomodo> or whatever the darned word is 19:37:07 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause> i should stop playing these games in german... <-- you should stop using German, but that's another story :P 19:37:18 <nckomodo> because you could also wipe it off the screen 19:37:21 <nckomodo> and it'd be all fuzzy 19:37:27 <Bjarni> ahh 19:37:39 <Bjarni> you statically charged your screen 19:37:43 <Bjarni> scary 19:37:52 <nckomodo> nah, it collects naturally 19:37:57 <nckomodo> or, as naturally as it can 19:38:14 <Bjarni> I don't trust such fields to be healthy 19:38:34 <nckomodo> I bathe in electro magnetic fields daily 19:38:36 <ben_goodger> Bjarni: MRIs are perfectly safe, so the magnetic field produced by a CRT screen is perfectly healthy 19:38:52 <ben_goodger> the trouble is the EM radiation they produce 19:39:06 <nckomodo> I think I had hypersensitivy to EMfs when I was a kid 19:39:23 <nckomodo> or I may have just been highly paranoid 19:39:31 <Bjarni> or both 19:39:40 <nckomodo> but I would always get creeped out near the stairs 19:39:50 <nckomodo> and occasionally run up them 19:40:14 <nckomodo> but anyway, this is distracting me, I've got 19:40:18 <Bjarni> <nckomodo> I think I had hypersensitivy to EMfs when I was a kid <-- if this is true, then I guess it could result in paranoia 19:40:31 <nckomodo> well, things to kill 19:40:37 <Bjarni> like time 19:40:42 <nckomodo> yes 19:40:51 <nckomodo> and rebels near the trainstation 19:41:00 <nckomodo> with a boot to the face 19:41:09 <nckomodo> ragdoll physics are always entertaining 19:41:21 <ben_goodger> only if they clip properly 19:41:23 <nckomodo> now I cant for the life of me find my steam folder 19:41:40 <Bjarni> that's because you need to heat it up first to get steam 19:41:47 <nckomodo> ah 19:41:52 <Bjarni> what is your core temperature? 19:42:00 <Eddi|zuHause> Bjarni: but german is the most genious language on the planet 19:42:01 <nckomodo> I guess I should fetch a blowtorch then 19:42:18 <Eddi|zuHause> it's definitely far superior to that pesky english 19:42:23 <ben_goodger> Eddi|zuHause: it's "ingenious" :) 19:42:28 <ben_goodger> "genius" is separate 19:42:30 <Bjarni> the flames on a driving steam locomotive are 1200°C 19:42:46 <Bjarni> see if you can get your core to that temperature and you can produce steam too 19:42:49 <SpComb> which part of them? 19:42:54 <nckomodo> I'm so scatter brained 19:43:12 <nckomodo> I had to scan my relatively small start menu twice to find the Speedfan subfolder 19:43:25 <nckomodo> also core temp is 30c 19:43:34 <Bjarni> that's why you lack steam 19:43:39 <nckomodo> or 48c 19:43:41 <ben_goodger> I'm pretty sure that you can produce steam from your body at any temperature above 273.15 kelvin at standard pressure 19:43:46 <nckomodo> I'm not sure which "Core" is my cpu 19:44:04 <SpComb> steam? 19:44:06 <ben_goodger> (guess the deliberate mistake in that sentence) 19:44:09 <Bjarni> unplug the CPU and see which one remains on the screen :p 19:44:20 <nckomodo> good idea 19:44:29 <nckomodo> I can melt my fingers to it in the process 19:44:50 <peter1138> My core temps range from 37 to 44°C, obviously... 19:45:08 <ben_goodger> 44? 19:45:19 <ben_goodger> good god, this man needs medical attention 19:46:08 <Bjarni> I will go at once to his place 19:46:20 <Bjarni> at foot this will take say 1-2 months 19:46:30 <ben_goodger> excellent 19:46:31 <Bjarni> 1 if I really hurry 19:46:37 <nckomodo> no time 19:46:44 <nckomodo> here, take this maglev 19:47:02 <Bjarni> I lack tracks 19:47:27 <nckomodo> oh hey, stubbs the zombie is :5bux: on steam 19:47:36 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: Come on my maglev! 19:47:48 <Prof_Frink> 374 tiles without a bend 19:48:04 <Bjarni> bended maglev tracks are really bad 19:49:35 *** FR^2 [fr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 19:58:30 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... so far i have managed to start the installer, but it stays at 0.00% 19:58:39 *** nick [~nickds@cpc2-nthc5-0-0-cust388.nrth.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 19:59:35 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: Did I say 374? It's now 403. 20:04:12 <Prof_Frink> 487 20:04:35 <ben_goodger> nckomodo: there is a really good reason for that, believe me 20:04:52 <nckomodo> probably 20:07:16 <ben_goodger> I bought it ages ago. it's neither funny nor fun 20:08:11 <nckomodo> I want to play GTA4 and screw around and do hilarious things involving swingsets 20:08:17 <nckomodo> but I cant seem to find the disc 20:08:20 <nckomodo> disk 20:08:25 <nckomodo> whatever 20:08:28 <ben_goodger> disc. 20:08:40 <ben_goodger> I would just like GTA4 to be available on PC 20:08:48 <Sacro> ben_goodger: due soon iir 20:08:49 <Sacro> *iirc 20:08:55 <ben_goodger> and I just _know_ it will be terribly ported 20:09:18 <Sacro> yeah, 2 months 20:09:29 <nckomodo> I thought the other games were ported fine 20:09:29 <Wolf01> 'night 20:09:35 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host213-160-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:10:01 <ben_goodger> if I recall correctly, the first release of SA for PC contained help references to the triangle button 20:10:07 <nckomodo> the only thing that bothered me for SA was you couldnt assign multiple controls to a single button based on context 20:12:37 <nckomodo> which was fine enough I guess 20:12:43 <nckomodo> considering I never did any missions 20:12:52 <nckomodo> and spent a considerable amount of time flying the hydra 20:13:15 <ben_goodger> ah yes, the hydra 20:13:42 <ben_goodger> the plane that explodes if you hit a lamp-post while taxiing at walking pace 20:13:53 <Eddi|zuHause> the virtual cd 4 format is totally weird, there's a .vc4 and a .000 file 20:14:13 <Eddi|zuHause> and i can mount the .000 file as iso9660, when i strip the first 47 bytes from it 20:14:38 <ben_goodger> do those 47 bytes mean anything in ASCII? 20:15:17 <Eddi|zuHause> not to me... 20:15:53 <ben_goodger> very well 20:16:09 <Eddi|zuHause> 00000000 1f ab 99 00 00 09 3d 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |......=.........| 20:16:10 <Eddi|zuHause> 00000010 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 08 00 00 00 00 00 |................| 20:16:12 <Eddi|zuHause> 00000020 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 2f 00 00 00 |.........../...| 20:16:24 <ccfreak2k> Apparently yes. 20:16:27 <ccfreak2k> In two places. 20:17:20 <Eddi|zuHause> 0x1fab9900 appears to be something like the file size 20:18:02 <Eddi|zuHause> although the file actually is smaller than that 20:19:19 <Eddi|zuHause> please insert disk 2... 20:19:29 <Eddi|zuHause> that actually worked ;) 20:26:52 <Eddi|zuHause> gnah... it doesn't have 1680x1050 resolution... 20:28:37 *** welshdragon [~vista@host86-145-214-136.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:34:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r14367 /branches/0.6/src/order_gui.cpp: [0.6] -Fix (r10046): Widgets added (in a documentation update?!) without updating other code caused disabled widget to be drawn in the middle of another player's order list. This fix only applies to 0.6 branch. 20:37:31 *** Mark [~M4rk@5ED06875.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:38:28 *** M4rk [~M4rk@5ED06875.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:38:34 *** M4rk is now known as Mark 20:44:37 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.21.236.249] has left #openttd [] 20:46:33 *** European_swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]] 21:10:36 *** OdwallaBongwater [~nckomodo@scottb.carrollwater-wifi0.amplex.net] has joined #openttd 21:13:58 *** nckomodo [~nckomodo@scottb.carrollwater-wifi0.amplex.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:15:04 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 21:17:48 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:19:45 *** welshdragon [~vista@host86-145-214-136.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:20:05 *** welshdragon [~vista@host86-145-214-136.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:20:45 <ln-> Bjarni: "Just over two months into the App Store's existence, another impressive mark of success answers that question. When speaking at this week's Mobilize conference, Steve Demeter, the developer behind Trism (iTunes link), revealed that his game for iPhone and iPod touch has generated over 0,000 in revenue." 21:24:49 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:26:07 <Bjarni> interesting 21:26:12 *** kaplon [kaplon@kacicka.com] has joined #openttd 21:26:35 <Bjarni> but it shows how cheap stuff sold and distributed correctly can generate a healthy profit 21:26:38 <kaplon> hi 21:27:13 <Bjarni> too bad I lack a plan that can generate 5k/month 21:27:36 <ln-> just some silly game could do 21:27:46 <Bjarni> looks like it 21:30:14 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 21:30:22 <TrueBrain> hi kaplon 21:30:25 <Bjarni> it's not silly 21:30:28 <Bjarni> it's brilliant 21:30:43 <kaplon> whre i find any ottd servers 21:30:49 <TrueBrain> online! 21:30:58 <Bjarni> click multiplayer 21:30:59 <kaplon> :) 21:33:12 <Bjarni> it's not that hard 21:33:40 <Bjarni> click multiplayer in main menu, change connection dropdown to internet and then hit the "find server" button 21:33:57 <Bjarni> and you will have enough servers to choose from 21:36:41 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.187.100.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:48:22 <TrueBrain> complete bore-dome overcomes 21:48:53 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: [FATAL] Client error: Memory leak - More RAM needed. More! More! More!] 21:50:08 *** Slowpoke [~Lobster@dslb-088-073-189-148.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:04:06 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Quit: Operator, give me an exit] 22:15:01 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:15:08 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 22:15:08 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 22:20:14 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd6a6.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:22:44 <ln-> Bjarni: does it make sense to visit CÞpenhagen during the so-called winter? 22:26:32 <Bjarni> that depends 22:27:17 <Bjarni> does it make sense to visit Copenhagen at all? :) 22:27:31 <ln-> also a valid question. 22:27:39 <Bjarni> the real question is what do you intend to do there? 22:27:47 <ln-> be a tourist 22:28:48 <Bjarni> I never thought of Copenhagen as a place to be a tourist 22:28:56 <Bjarni> it's full of tourists though 22:30:12 <ln-> the direct Turku-Copenhagen flights still exist. 22:30:13 <Bjarni> I find it hard to answer that question as the idea of being a tourist in a city is far from my way of thinking 22:32:00 <Bjarni> whenever I go to Copenhagen it's usually with a single goal, like a specific shop or visiting relatives/friends 22:32:42 <Bjarni> what is there to do for tourists in a city? 22:33:49 <ln-> get drunk, take the wrong bus to suburbs, and get robbed? 22:34:06 <Bjarni> you can do that all year round here 22:34:10 <ln-> ... which is not MY idea of what to do in a city. 22:34:53 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179052161.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"] 22:35:01 <Bjarni> A guy I know met a tourist a few years ago 22:35:33 <Bjarni> turned out that he was camping somewhere and he met somebody who invited him to Copenhagen 22:35:40 <Bjarni> for drinking or whatever... nightlife 22:35:54 <Bjarni> and now the next day he really wondered where his tent was 22:36:06 <Bjarni> since he forgot the name of the station/town 22:36:24 <Bjarni> so he was at a station and looked really lost 22:36:53 <Bjarni> eventually he found it (with help) 22:39:54 <Bjarni> ln-: what is YOUR idea of being a city tourist? 22:39:58 <Bjarni> museums? 22:41:58 <ln-> sightseeing, IMAX, museums of technology, italian ice cream, beach 22:42:59 <Bjarni> http://visitcopenhagen.com/tourist/what_to_see_and_do/sights_and_attractions 22:43:13 <Bjarni> maybe beach isn't the right thing to do during the winter 22:43:28 <Bjarni> at least not if your goal is to get into the water and/or look at girls in bikinis ;) 22:43:59 <ln-> in better place girls without bikinis 22:44:11 <ln-> like barcelona 22:44:46 * teggigi orders a one-way ticket to barcelona 22:45:20 <Bjarni> we had this case about a guy with a garden next to the beach and he wanted to set up signs to ban nudity on the beach 22:45:46 <Bjarni> then some nudist association complained and the case ended up in court 22:45:51 *** Kasceh [~Kasc@cpc2-leed7-0-0-cust124.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 22:46:25 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-141-71.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:46:32 <Bjarni> the issue was not nude people by itself but it turned out that some people went to that beach to have sex 22:46:42 <Bjarni> and he didn't want that right next to his garden 22:47:05 <ln-> teggigi: they do have the panties though. 22:47:18 <Bjarni> not at the beach I just talked about 22:47:35 <Bjarni> well... at least not according to the news 22:47:39 <teggigi> well in norway we can go to the beach like ten times a year 22:47:40 <teggigi> max 22:47:40 <Bjarni> I have never actually been there 22:47:54 <ln-> Bjarni: no, but nudists are men and 50+ women. 22:48:25 <Bjarni> how should I know 22:48:30 <Bjarni> I always avoid places like that 22:49:35 <Bjarni> ln-: http://www.tekniskmuseum.dk/ <-- I recommend this museum 22:51:36 <ln-> looks quite good 22:52:04 <ln-> Bjarni: http://www.deutschesmuseum.de/ <-- I recommend this one 22:52:42 <Bjarni> I have no plans going anywhere near that one though :/ 22:53:02 <ln-> make some plans. 22:53:22 <Bjarni> plans are worthless without cash to fund them 22:53:34 <ln-> that's like the biggest museum of technology in at least Europe. 22:53:49 <ln-> entrance is cheaper than to your tekniskmuseum. 22:56:07 <Bjarni> not unlikely 22:57:03 <ln-> and wtf, a minor girl testing a vibrator and smiling: http://www.tekniskmuseum.dk/archive/AS_125_166_aabning01.jpg .. only in denmark 22:57:26 <Bjarni> it vibrates your FEET 22:57:27 <ben_goodger> ln-: you've never visited a japanese website, yes? 22:57:47 <ln-> might have 22:58:16 <Bjarni> I have visited plenty of Japanese websites, but nothing like you think about right now 22:58:58 <ln-> Bjarni: but like are you saying you can't afford to visit your neighbor country once in a lifetime because of no cash? 22:59:17 <Bjarni> I didn't say that 22:59:29 <Bjarni> I plan on going to Germany 22:59:32 <Bjarni> ... eventually 22:59:59 <Bjarni> like in maybe 2-5 years 23:00:50 <ln-> why not earlier? 23:01:26 <Bjarni> I have other plans 23:01:48 <Bjarni> I want to finish uni so I can make some money 23:02:17 <ln-> you can make some money before finishing it, like i've been doing for many years now. 23:02:41 <Bjarni> with my detailed plan for finishing uni it's not possible 23:03:10 <Bjarni> I will have to delay finishing by 6 months if I work at the same time 23:03:45 <ln-> and then you'll have some work experience in your CV. 23:03:54 <Bjarni> which is too expensive as it means 6 months less pay from a full time job 23:04:53 <Bjarni> <ln-> and then you'll have some work experience in your CV. <-- I have plenty to write already 23:05:09 <Bjarni> like past jobs 23:05:20 <Bjarni> train driving 23:05:22 <Bjarni> OTTD 23:05:33 <Bjarni> in addition to a rather fine education 23:05:39 <Bjarni> I don't think I will have a problem there 23:06:22 <Sacro> name: Bjarni 23:06:26 <ln-> did you drive the train for work? 23:06:26 <Sacro> occupation: dutch 23:06:34 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BADA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:07:18 <Bjarni> <ln-> did you drive the train for work? <-- no, but the needed education and tests are equally hard 23:09:25 <ln-> is train driving related to the full time job you are likely to be applying for? 23:10:01 <Bjarni> not really but odds are that it's at least as relevant as any job I can get now 23:10:30 <Bjarni> besides driving includes tasks at the repairshop, which could be relevant 23:10:58 *** Tekky [~chatzilla@p5493C791.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]] 23:11:24 <Bjarni> besides when writing a CV, you should include everything because the alternative is to do nothing 23:13:01 * Sacro might go on OpenBVE 23:13:06 <Sacro> driving a class 114 :D 23:13:07 <ln-> imho, if you are applying for a real job, possibly with a university degree in your pocket, you can very well leave out all the irrelevant summer jobs from 10 years back. 23:13:09 <Sacro> <3 the pacer 23:14:01 <Bjarni> ln-: that depends on what you define as "irrelevant summer jobs" 23:14:53 <Bjarni> because it's an indication of what the person in question is like 23:15:52 <Bjarni> being a clerk in a supermarked is likely irrelevant 23:16:09 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:16:15 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:16:16 <ln-> Bjarni: irrelevant as in have nothing to do with the job you are applying for, apart from both being called "job". 23:17:14 <Bjarni> I disagree. With the high number of people who show up late for work and so on, it's a good indication that you can have other jobs 23:18:47 <ln-> yes, so one can list the *relevant* job(s). 23:19:00 <ln-> except, oh, if one doen't have any relevant work experience. 23:19:27 <Bjarni> that's not an uncommon problem these days 23:21:10 <ln-> solution: one should get a job to get some relevant work experience during studies. 23:27:15 <Eddi|zuHause> if i apply for a job in the IT segment, it would be perfectly suitible that i mention that i programmed an SPS for a chemical facility for half a year 23:30:57 <Bjarni> I would be more concerned with which chemical factory 23:31:06 <Bjarni> as I would stay far away from it :p 23:32:20 <Eddi|zuHause> they produce salt (CaCl_2) to sell it during the winter 23:34:49 <Eddi|zuHause> CaCO_3 + 2 HCl -> CaCl_2 + H_2O + CO_2 23:35:42 <Bjarni> we are killing the soil around the roads with salt 23:36:08 <Eddi|zuHause> nothing new there... 23:36:10 <Bjarni> and it's an open question how much it actually helps 23:36:25 <Bjarni> Sweden and Norway use gravel instead 23:36:47 <Eddi|zuHause> spraying salt to make snow melt? open question? i don't think so 23:37:34 <Bjarni> I meant for road safety 23:37:45 <ln-> i altered a C++ socket library almost 10 years ago, to make it compilable with newer GCC, and made it available for download. 23:38:09 <ln-> it was downloaded from addresses such as gw.xxxxxx.boeing.com. 23:42:02 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ykknMP7LcoM <-- this is what salt in a railroad crossing risk doing 23:42:03 <TrueBrain> a very closed question ;) 23:44:25 <Bjarni> what I meant by open question regarding road safety is that if you add salt, you get this wet slippery stuff on the roads. Just having snow is slippery too, but in a different way 23:45:21 <TrueBrain> and a much more dangerous way ;) 23:45:31 <Eddi|zuHause> what's interesting there is that people pass the crossing even though the light is on and the bar is going down 23:45:47 <Bjarni> that's USA for you 23:46:12 <Bjarni> the crossing activates 20 sec before the train arrives and still cars tries to get across until the last moment 23:46:35 <Bjarni> there is an average of 90 minutes between a train hits something in USA 23:47:14 <Bjarni> I think half of the collisions or something like that is fatal 23:47:19 <Bjarni> I read about this a while ago 23:47:35 <Bjarni> railroad safety stuff 23:47:42 <TrueBrain> when your car gets hit by a train here, the train on the other track is so kind to bring back your car to the point you started 23:47:44 <TrueBrain> and that, you survive 23:48:01 <TrueBrain> (happened for real a month ago here .. 400m one way with 1 train, 200m back the other way the an other train) 23:50:22 <Bjarni> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=g2ynhobRmOQ <-- one car hit by two trains 23:50:44 <Eddi|zuHause> so, where does it say that the malfunction was caused by salt? 23:51:20 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: I don't think it says that in that link, but I know salt can cause this 23:51:41 <Eddi|zuHause> (and even if it was, the malfunction was most likely caused by neglecting maintenance work on the salt-affected wires) 23:51:45 <ln-> the video gets quite boring after 30 seconds. 23:52:29 <Bjarni> as salt can alter the electrical resistance between the rails and create ghost wheels 23:53:12 *** FR^2 [fr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by caffein depletion...] 23:53:16 <Bjarni> Europe is altering the crossings to count axles before and after the crossings. This will clearly avoid this issue 23:53:30 <Bjarni> even though I don't think our setup is as likely to suffer from this 23:53:35 *** Zorn [zorn@e177228062.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 23:54:20 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause> (and even if it was, the malfunction was most likely caused by neglecting maintenance work on the salt-affected wires) <-- no matter how well you maintain your crossing, you can't do anything about salt between the rails in the crossing 23:56:06 <ln-> you're saying salt is a conductor, with water i suppose? 23:56:54 <ln-> yet it would need 1420 millimeters of salty water between the rails? 23:56:57 <Bjarni> if there aren't any water after you add salt, then there is no point in adding salt 23:57:16 <Bjarni> 1435 mm 23:57:48 <ln-> whatever, 1524 is the real people's choice. 23:58:11 <ln-> 1520 mm for communists. 23:58:39 <Bjarni> 2140 mm was quite interesting 23:58:46 *** KillaloT [~killalot@0x5738c898.rdnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The future of IRC] 23:58:56 <Bjarni> UK outlawed it though 23:59:21 *** Zorni [zorn@e177227255.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:59:40 <Bjarni> 1524 and 1520 sounds like they are compatible 23:59:51 <ln-> they are.