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00:13:07 <Char> overflow depots? 00:13:21 <Char> and 00:13:29 <Char> how does only replacing old vehicles work? 00:13:30 <Char> i mean 00:13:35 <Char> if i set sth on autoreplace 00:13:43 <Char> all vehicles are automatically sent to the depot 00:15:11 <Rubidium> breakdowns disabled + don't go to depot when breakdowns disabled enabled + service order + conditional order to jump over the service order if the vehicle is too young 00:16:09 *** gregor [~gregor@xdsl-87-78-32-205.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:16:51 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [] 00:18:46 <Edtein> exactly what would make openttd crash when using DoCommandP to create ~20+ vehicles in a loop? 00:19:55 <Rubidium> it shouldn't 00:20:06 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd say creating ~20+ vehicles in a loop 00:20:29 <Eddi|zuHause> ... the wrong way 00:20:46 *** welshdragon [~vista@87.102.18.182] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:21:00 <Eddi|zuHause> Hello, my name is Eddi, and i am an addict... 00:21:33 <Edtein> well, 15 at a time works 00:21:39 <Edtein> 20 makes it crash 00:21:44 <tokai> Welcome to the anonymous OpenTTD players round table! 00:22:44 *** benjamingoodger [~ben@host217-44-221-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:24:28 <Edtein> is it possible that cloning too many vehicles at a time makes it open too many windows & then some buffer overflows? 00:27:00 <davis--> never experienced that 00:27:33 <Eddi|zuHause> i thought 32 was the max number of viewports 00:27:52 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: but it should delete windows before it ever reaches that 00:27:58 <Jango> i've just been cloning like crazy, but it didnt make it happen 00:28:04 <Jango> Edtein, how many clones are we talking? 00:28:10 <Eddi|zuHause> but when batch-creating vehicles, maybe you should simply suppress opening windows 00:28:39 <Jango> ah, read up... doh 00:29:08 *** gregor [~gregor@xdsl-84-44-177-179.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 00:30:16 <Edtein> how is it possible to suppress opening windows? 00:31:17 <Eddi|zuHause> there must be a line like "if (_current_company == _local_company) OpenWindow()" 00:31:58 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, no, it must be completely client side 00:32:27 <Eddi|zuHause> has anyone seen my connection? 00:32:50 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77EFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:13 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B768B4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:34:58 <Rubidium> Edtein: you are doing something horribly wrong; I can clone a vehicle of 20 long 500 times without any problems except a little lag 00:35:44 <Edtein> what about 25? 00:35:54 <Rubidium> 25 what? 00:35:59 <Edtein> vehicles 00:36:19 <Edtein> for(int i = 0; i < N; ++i) 00:36:19 <Edtein> DoCommandP(this->window_number, v->index, ctrl_pressed, CcCloneVehicle, CMD_CLONE_VEHICLE | error_str); 00:37:24 <Rubidium> works without problems for me 00:38:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i know why it doesn't work. it does not follow the code style :p 00:38:25 <Rubidium> this is a window and the window gets deleted, now guess what happens with this 00:40:39 <Edtein> it won't get deleted if it is set to uncloseable, will it? 00:40:58 <Rubidium> it's less likely, but not fool proof 00:41:21 <Eddi|zuHause> just put the number in a temporary variable 00:41:48 <Rubidium> opening max number of windows and making them unclosable will close one of the unclosables 00:43:09 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.164.253.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:43:09 *** svippery [~svip@0x50a5b150.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:43:10 *** svippery [~svip@0x50a5b150.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 00:43:14 <Edtein> would make sense, but the new windows aren't marked as unclosable. only the depot window is 00:44:59 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 00:45:27 <Eddi|zuHause> my experience is that the depot window is always the first to close, but that was before sticky buttons got introduced 00:45:48 <Eddi|zuHause> the window limit has increased significantly since then 00:46:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i think it was like 7 in the original game 00:46:26 *** rubyruy [~ruy@24.84.32.194] has joined #openttd 00:50:41 <benjamingoodger> does anyone know why industries close randomly when opening savegames in 0.6.2? it seems only to be the ones I'm serving, so it's most irritating 00:52:02 *** rortom [~rortom_@5acfc1f1.bb.sky.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:53:48 *** rortom [~rortom_@5acfc1f1.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 00:55:19 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-96-107.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [] 00:59:01 <Rubidium> benjamingoodger: you've probably disabled the news for closure of competitors/unserved industries which might give you that feeling 01:00:12 <benjamingoodger> er, nope 01:00:29 <benjamingoodger> for instance, if I am supplying a factory with steel... 01:00:56 <benjamingoodger> I do not receive a "supply problems cause factory to announce closure" thing, despite having all messages at "full" 01:01:32 <benjamingoodger> I just get a "blah blah station no longer accepts steel, livestock or grain", and when I look there is a brown patch of land where the factory was when I saved the game 01:02:03 <Rubidium> it might already be in the closing state when you loaded the game 01:02:15 <Rubidium> are you using any newgrfs by the way? 01:03:35 <benjamingoodger> it wasn't 01:03:38 <benjamingoodger> and yes, several... 01:03:48 <benjamingoodger> but the same ones as when I saved 01:08:19 <benjamingoodger> ok, I've just replayed the savegame 01:08:28 <benjamingoodger> the factory disappears at the beginning of a month 01:08:41 <Edtein> by the way: my elegant fix "//ShowVehicleViewWindow(v); " allowed me to create 500 vehicles instantly without problems 01:09:28 <Eddi|zuHause> no, it fixed the symptom, not the problem. 01:09:44 <Rubidium> Edtein: a local variable would've done *exactly* the 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Confusing. 15:52:16 <davis> hm 15:52:25 *** davis is now known as davis- 15:52:29 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c39cd.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:06:27 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.4] has joined #openttd 16:06:28 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g227033081.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:07:09 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@82-171-144-153.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: http://www.interplay.com/] 16:09:28 *** helb_ [~helb@84.244.90.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:10:33 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Quit: Operator, give me an exit] 16:11:16 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@82-171-144-153.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:12:54 <SmatZ> arachnid: enable realistic acceleration 16:13:21 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B802D0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:13:36 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g228021122.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:13:36 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 16:14:48 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82AEE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:14:49 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 16:14:51 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-112-011.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:25:50 *** Zorni [zorn@e177113014.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:25:50 *** Zorn [zorn@e177229016.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:29:26 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82AEE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: icebears... take care of them!] 16:29:52 *** Chommik [rafal@xdsl-14188.lubin.dialog.net.pl] has joined #openttd 16:29:55 <Chommik> hello 16:30:45 <Chommik> how can I add language to OpenTTD? 16:31:20 <ln-> polish is already there. 16:31:40 *** Edtein [~Otinn@cnat239.wlan.net.ed.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:32:56 <Chommik> i have version 0.6.3 linux generic binaries and i don't have polish 16:33:15 <Chommik> can i download it from CVS/SVN? is there something like this? 16:34:29 <Progman> how did you install it? 16:35:25 <Chommik> i unpacked it, copied files from windows version. it works, but don't have polish language 16:37:38 <frosch123> do you have a "lang" folder, where you unpacked it? 16:38:11 <Chommik> i have all binaries unpacked to /home/ttd 16:38:21 <Chommik> sorry ~/ttd 16:39:02 <frosch123> and was there also a "lang" folder in the archive? and did you also unpack that one? 16:39:26 <Chommik> yes, there was some other folders, unpacked it to ~/ttd too 16:39:30 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-235-60.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 16:39:46 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@82-171-144-153.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:39:51 <Progman> [17:39] progman@proglap ~ $ tar -tzf openttd-0.6.3-linux-generic-amd64.tar.gz | grep polish.lng 16:39:51 <Progman> openttd-0.6.3-linux-generic-amd64/lang/polish.lng 16:39:59 <Progman> there is one lang file, so it should work 16:40:26 <Chommik> hmm, I found polish in binaries for windows, will it work? 16:40:38 <Progman> which file did you download? 16:41:12 <Eddi|zuHause> the .lng files should work ony any platform, but the version must match exactly 16:41:22 <Eddi|zuHause> -y 16:41:23 <Chommik> Linux Generic Binaries (i686, 32bit) 16:41:28 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227033081.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:41:29 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227033081.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:41:48 <Chommik> (bzip2 archwive) 16:41:55 <Eddi|zuHause> in any case, the .lng files should already be in the download 16:42:09 <Progman> [17:42] progman@proglap ~ $ tar -tzf openttd-0.6.3-linux-generic-i686.tar.gz | grep polish 16:42:09 <Progman> openttd-0.6.3-linux-generic-i686/lang/polish.lng 16:42:13 <Progman> indeed it is 16:42:35 <Chommik> ok, i have it. thanks! 16:42:43 <Progman> can you select any other language? 16:43:01 <Chommik> yes, i have long list 16:44:19 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@82-171-144-153.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:44:26 <Progman> and there isn't an entry for "Polish"? 16:45:06 *** Edtein [~Otinn@vpn2-132.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 16:45:43 <Chommik> now there is 16:45:56 <Chommik> when i copied file polish.lng 16:46:06 <davis-> :] 16:47:56 <Chommik> thanks, but now i see one more problem: polish fonts 16:53:07 <thingwath> http://ttd.tycoonez.com/?id=144 maybe this can help (at least for czech it is enough :-)) 16:56:27 <Chommik> hmm, i try this from your wiki 16:57:24 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:58:36 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:59:48 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm130.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:02:52 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-112-011.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:04:57 *** welshdragon [~vista@87.102.18.182] has joined #openttd 17:06:45 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 17:08:31 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:37:58 *** Char [~Ich@d212-152-8-196.cust.tele2.ch] has joined #openttd 17:38:01 *** Char2 [~Ich@d212-152-8-196.cust.tele2.ch] has joined #openttd 17:42:20 <Edtein> my clone patch works without any ugly (imho) hacks :-) 17:48:41 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:49:01 *** Batti5 [~Lorand@92.82.90.227] has joined #openttd 17:52:08 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm130.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 17:56:29 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82AEE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:56:32 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 17:59:02 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm130.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: >:3] 18:09:22 <ln-> ¡Bjarni! 18:17:53 *** jnd [~jenda@r4ad200.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 18:19:54 <jnd> hi, I'm trying the UKRS and there is nothing for wood but Bolster Wagon for steel with note it can be rebuild to wood, but how? 18:20:29 <frosch123> attach it to a train, open the train window while it is inside a depot, and click on the icon with the two boxes 18:21:54 <jnd> ok, ty 18:22:55 <Progman> its called "Cargo refit" 18:24:01 <Progman> jnd: http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Refit 18:26:41 <jnd> right, I couldn't find it cos I don't have it in english 18:26:59 <Progman> the icon is the same o_O 18:27:39 <Edtein> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=40391 18:28:05 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@82-171-144-153.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: http://www.interplay.com/] 18:30:59 <jnd> icon yes but the name 18:35:35 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@82-171-144-153.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:36:29 <De_Ghosty> open ttd can use muti core? 18:36:59 *** KurtKraut [~ktk@201.17.108.24] has joined #openttd 18:38:19 <KurtKraut> I saw a wiki once teaching how to use PBS signals to make tracks 'reversable' for trains to reduce the traffic jam caused by breakdowns but I'm unable to find it. Does anyone know the URL of this wiki ? 18:38:28 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 18:39:10 <Rubidium> KurtKraut: that is most likely the unimplemented 'realistic' PBS proposal 18:39:32 <Rubidium> De_Ghosty: it can use multiple cores, but most likely not in the way you expect it to do 18:39:37 <KurtKraut> Rubidium, I'm using the nightly build 18:40:09 <KurtKraut> Rubidium, even in the nightly build this is not implemented ? 18:40:16 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:40:21 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0FC42.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.lagerwiki.de - das Wiki rund um's Thema Lager und Logistik] 18:40:30 <Rubidium> KurtKraut: I expect you meant http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Realistic_Path_Based_Signalling 18:41:15 <Rubidium> and if that's the page, then not everything shown on that page is implemented 18:41:36 <Rubidium> and it's pretty likely some things shown there don't even work with the current PBS 18:42:10 <KurtKraut> Rubidium, the funny thing is... it is not that page I saw. It was purpusing this realistic signal for reducing the impact of breakdowns. And this wiki you showed me does not contain the 'breakdown'. 18:42:11 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 18:43:16 *** Char2 [~Ich@d212-152-8-196.cust.tele2.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:43:16 *** Char2 [~Ich@d83-189-158-93.cust.tele2.ch] has joined #openttd 18:43:18 *** Char [~Ich@d212-152-8-196.cust.tele2.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:43:26 <Rubidium> then I've got no idea 18:43:31 *** Char [~Ich@d83-189-158-93.cust.tele2.ch] has joined #openttd 18:44:26 <KurtKraut> Rubidium, is there a roadmap of this realistic signaling AI that I could follow ? 18:44:35 <KurtKraut> follow in order to do beta testing 18:46:17 <Rubidium> something like: a) find somebody that will code it for you or code it youself, b) wait till it is implemented, c) do alpha testing, d) do beta testing 18:46:25 <Rubidium> i.e. nobody's working on it 18:46:47 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:47:51 <KurtKraut> Rubidium, oh, I see... I'm sad to hear that. It is for me such an important feature. 18:48:33 <Rubidium> there is PBS in trunk though, but not it's not what's described in that realistic pbs proposal 18:50:29 *** rortom [~rortom_@5acfc1f1.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 18:50:38 <rortom> hi 18:50:51 <Eddi|zuHause> <Progman> the icon is the same o_O <- you can't search for an icon :p 18:51:12 <rortom> im wondering if i should write some ncurses backend for the console 18:51:32 *** welshdragon [~vista@87.102.18.182] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:55:29 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:55:59 *** Chommik [rafal@xdsl-14188.lubin.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Quit: Paaapa.] 19:00:14 *** KurtKraut [~ktk@201.17.108.24] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:03:50 <Swallow> Rubidium: Is the 'testing stuff' of r14566 (busyness stats) planned to be included in trunk? 19:04:36 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-168-197-97.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:05:47 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82AEE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: icebears... take care of them!] 19:05:57 <Rubidium> not in that way cause it fails to show the real busy pieces 19:06:43 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-168-197-97.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:08:37 <rortom> Rubidium, would you accept a http://pdcurses.sourceforge.net/index.html written interface for the dedicated server? 19:08:51 *** KillaloT [~killalot@0x5738cc8b.rdnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:12:02 <Rubidium> what's the use in making the dedicated server depend on X? 19:13:23 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:14:58 <rortom> Rubidium, its a console "GUI" 19:15:25 <rortom> and GUI means, separate logging sutff from the input line, at least thats my target 19:15:42 <rortom> with player overview on the right side 19:15:46 <rortom> like an IRC client 19:16:41 <Rubidium> "PDCurses is a public domain curses library for DOS, OS/2, Win32, X11 and SDL" <- please tell me how that should be read as not depending on X/SDL? 19:17:00 <rortom> hmm 19:17:05 <rortom> strange, let me see 19:19:33 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.4] has joined #openttd 19:25:30 <rortom> thats strange 19:25:40 <rortom> native linux users should use curses 19:25:43 <rortom> *ncurses 19:25:54 <rortom> and windows users pdcurses i think 19:26:10 <rortom> so i should write a ncurses backend i think? 19:27:59 <rortom> would you agree on a linux only dedicated server console? :\ 19:42:51 <glx> no 19:43:26 <glx> if a feature exists, it should be available for all platforms 19:44:10 <Tefad> Rubidium: how about serial terminals. 19:54:41 <Swallow> Setting the data property of a WWT_PUSHTXTBTN widget to STR_NULL displays "(undefined string)", but for a dropdown button it just shows nothing. Is this intentional? 19:56:26 <Swallow> looking at widget.cpp... dropdown code is this: if (str != STR_NULL) DrawStringTruncated(... 19:57:16 <Swallow> while the if clause isn't present for (push)textbuttons 19:57:26 *** fonso [~fonso@e178115220.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:08:49 <petern> with the operative on TEXT 20:13:20 <Swallow> Normally it shows text, but sometimes I needs to be empty 20:13:27 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:13:32 <Swallow> *it needs to be empty 20:13:57 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 20:14:13 <petern> well 20:14:18 <petern> you could just use STR_EMPTY, heh 20:18:29 <Swallow> That's more or less what I already did, was just pointing out the difference in behaviour 20:32:58 <benjamingoodger> hmm 20:33:07 <benjamingoodger> is anyone working on a more realistic economic simulation? 20:35:08 <frosch123> if you emphasise "realistic" and not "simulation" you can try "manual industries" :p 20:35:23 <benjamingoodger> indeed 20:37:09 <benjamingoodger> I was thinking more about stocks and shares, having just finished a book on financial management...a colossal bank loan is not necessarily a good way of financing a railway company, and I could see a use for balance sheets and profit and loss accounts 20:39:09 <frosch123> oh, you mean the type of economy which needs the railroad-part only to appear legitimate 20:41:12 *** Muxy [~Benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has joined #openttd 20:41:15 <benjamingoodger> eh? 20:43:26 * Nite_Owl cuts the sarcasm with his trusty pocket knife 20:44:28 <benjamingoodger> er, quite 20:44:35 <frosch123> well, I was referring to that kind of companies, which are knowns for e.g. producing automobiles, but actually have a higher PBT than business-volume 20:45:24 <benjamingoodger> I'll presume you mean turnover 20:45:38 <benjamingoodger> and yes, that sort of thing happens all the time 20:46:09 <benjamingoodger> but I mean, if I buy a competitor's company, I can only buy at the balance-sheet total value, and it shows up as a loss on the year-end report (which is completely improper) 20:50:06 <Swallow> It's not improper, although I agree it's unwieldy 20:50:42 <benjamingoodger> it is improper, it violates the very first words of any accounting course (assets - liabilities = capital) 20:50:52 <Swallow> The (O)TTD financial report deals with changes of the bank balance, not with profits and losses 20:51:15 <benjamingoodger> this being the trouble 20:53:54 <Swallow> I wholeheartedly agree that an overview of profits and losses would be very practical 20:55:14 <benjamingoodger> well, I can't code anything, but I can provide a detailed specification for an overhaul of OTTD's corporate finance 20:58:46 <Eddi|zuHause> well, make it complete and detailed enough that someone with coding experience can write it 1:1 20:59:42 <Swallow> IIRC The devs' opinion is that this is a transportation game, not an economic simulation 21:00:08 <benjamingoodger> well, obviously 21:00:19 <benjamingoodger> there's no need to go all "railroad tycoon 2" 21:01:11 <benjamingoodger> I shall begin work on such a spec 21:01:20 <Swallow> I'd recommend keeping it really simple, simple enough for let's say a 12-year-old without any financial knowledge to understand 21:01:40 <benjamingoodger> yep, my spec will not prevent that 21:10:47 *** FloSoft [~sifldoer@g229116246.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: computer has gone to sleep] 21:13:59 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5CD58.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:34:32 <Edtein> is there any action that uses alt+click? 21:35:12 <frosch123> no, alt is generally not used 21:38:08 *** Batti5 [~Lorand@92.82.90.227] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org] 21:40:30 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@82-171-144-153.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: http://www.interplay.com/] 21:46:11 <ln-> off-topic: http://â.net/ 21:46:24 <davis-> opera:illegal-url-20 21:47:24 <Tefad> http://xn--n3h.net/ 21:47:33 <Tefad> opera sucks ; ) 21:47:41 <ln-> seems so 21:51:17 <davis-> does not 21:51:29 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c39cd.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:53:16 <Edtein> is there a good reason for making you player #1 when you load a multiplayer game in single player? 22:03:45 <davis-> well if you start a single player game you are player #1 for default 22:03:46 <davis-> I assume 22:04:12 *** fonso [~fonso@e178115220.adsl.alicedsl.de] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org] 22:04:37 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]] 22:05:10 <Eddi|zuHause> Edtein: how would you save which player you were, considering that the exact same savegame will get transfered from server to client when he joins? 22:21:54 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 22:24:24 *** t [~t@cp734887-a.gelen1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 22:24:46 *** t [~t@cp734887-a.gelen1.lb.home.nl] has quit [] 22:24:55 *** trainboy2004 [~trainboy2@cp734887-a.gelen1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 22:25:34 *** trainboy2004 [~trainboy2@cp734887-a.gelen1.lb.home.nl] has quit [] 22:30:47 *** Edtein [~Otinn@vpn2-132.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk] has left #openttd [] 22:31:29 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 22:32:58 *** Antdovu [~Otinn@vpn2-132.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 22:33:01 *** Antdovu [~Otinn@vpn2-132.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk] has left #openttd [] 22:36:11 *** Antdovu [~Otinn@vpn2-132.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 22:41:09 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82AEE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:41:12 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 22:42:31 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@82-171-144-153.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:58:18 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:01:20 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.4] has joined #openttd 23:02:05 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227033081.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbierbar] 23:06:34 <Wolf01> (1 hour late) Eddi|zuHause, it should be possible to show a popup which asks the player for the company to join ;) 23:07:05 *** Mark [~M4rk@5ED06875.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:07:25 <davis-> Wolf01 23:07:30 <davis-> just use the single player cheats then 23:07:40 <davis-> to join a special company 23:07:46 <Wolf01> or start a local multiplayer game 23:07:51 <davis-> or that 23:17:52 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 23:25:46 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.153.237.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:27:07 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:34:49 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-235-60.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:36:06 *** rortom [~rortom_@5acfc1f1.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:56:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ED58.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:58:13 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:58:59 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd