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00:02:14 <AgentLeMan> cool :o) spares us from renaming 00:05:42 <Patrick> but I gues this advances it 00:08:45 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-75-37.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 00:12:18 <Ammler> hmm 00:28:24 <Eddi|zuHause> Patrick: this makes it customisable by GRF, like "XYZ factory", "XYZ Brewery" etc. 00:32:08 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D4C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:32:14 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.173.197] has joined #openttd 00:32:29 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D5D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:35:55 *** Rudy_Giuliani [~chatzilla@bas3-hamilton14-1096561594.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 00:36:48 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:38:53 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-118-73.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:39:03 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.181.46] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:49:12 *** StarLionIsaac is now known as Gremnon 00:56:29 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g228011059.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbierbar] 00:56:40 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.173.197] has joined #openttd 00:57:37 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@78-106-139-103.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 01:03:32 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.173.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:04:36 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-139-103.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:26:48 *** Gremnon is now known as StarLionIsaac 01:29:46 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485D9F3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:33:33 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D8DB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:38:15 *** vraa [~vraa@h144.70.89.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 01:55:50 *** StarLionIsaac [~chatzilla@user-5445016b.lns3-c11.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]] 02:03:09 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 02:21:47 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 02:23:53 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:24:16 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:53:45 *** Korenn [~kvirc@93-125-161-18.dsl.alice.nl] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/] 02:55:06 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@78-106-139-103.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:06:45 *** FloSoft [~sifldoer@g230000113.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:07:55 *** FloSoft [~sifldoer@g229160087.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 04:25:07 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:42:04 <AgentLeMan> hmmm 04:42:49 <AgentLeMan> ah, still connected 04:49:25 *** sunkan [sunkan@sunkan.bsnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:59:15 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:12:05 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 05:14:15 *** sunkan [sunkan@sunkan.bsnet.se] has joined #openttd 05:34:15 *** rubyruy [~ruy@76-10-185-116.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: rubyruy] 05:36:56 *** rubyruy [~ruy@76-10-185-116.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 05:55:22 *** AgentLeMan [~AgentLeMa@BAF771b.baf.pppool.de] has quit [] 06:41:03 *** vraa [~vraa@h144.70.89.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 06:46:28 *** davis- [~suckyours@p5B28FDE1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:07:03 *** gynter [~gynter@78-28-76-251.cdma.dyn.kou.ee] has joined #openttd 07:20:54 *** davis- [~suckyours@p5B28FDE1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:32:57 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065069.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 07:33:09 *** AgentLeMan [~AgentLeMa@BAF771b.baf.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 07:33:12 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.173.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:42:18 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.173.197] has joined #openttd 07:45:03 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.173.197] has joined #openttd 07:45:03 *** Yeggzzz is now known as Yeggstry 07:50:20 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.173.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:51:51 *** FloSoft [~sifldoer@g229160087.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 07:51:56 *** FloSoft [~sifldoer@g229160087.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 07:59:54 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has joined #openttd 07:59:57 *** mode/#openttd [+o Celestar] by ChanServ 08:01:29 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.173.197] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:07:12 <planetmaker> morning 08:07:23 <AgentLeMan> good morning 08:15:40 *** George__ [~chatzilla@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 08:18:39 <Celestar> morning 08:19:05 <Celestar> so .. how do I get to Paris. Train or Plane? 08:19:14 <Celestar> me goes looking 08:19:14 <dihedral> both 08:19:19 <dihedral> one is faster than the other 08:19:22 <Celestar> both?! 08:19:39 <dihedral> you could also take a coach 08:19:54 <Celestar> and what advantage would that be? 08:20:03 <dihedral> does not cost as much 08:20:07 <AgentLeMan> you take the train. then your luggage gets lost. that one then gets to paris by plane. ;o) 08:20:37 <dihedral> you lose your luggage on the train?? 08:20:45 <dihedral> how sad is that? 08:20:46 <Patrick> take a coach if you don't have a job that requires you to book holiday 08:20:46 *** George_ [~chatzilla@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:20:55 <Patrick> it's an extra day either side and it's an adventure 08:21:04 <Patrick> and cheaper 08:21:13 <Patrick> but if you want to waste little time, fly 08:21:14 <dihedral> Celestar: where do you live? can you get to a TGV? 08:21:18 <Celestar> dihedral: yes. 08:21:24 <Celestar> dihedral: but it takes 6.5 hours O_o 08:21:34 <Celestar> no 6:10 08:21:48 <Patrick> bloody hell, where do you live? 08:21:52 <Patrick> hawaii? 08:21:54 <dihedral> afaik, there is a direct route from stuttgart to paris 08:21:54 <Celestar> Munich, Germany 08:22:11 <Celestar> there is a direct TGV from Munich to Paris 08:22:12 <dihedral> the tgv will need about 3h 08:22:17 <dihedral> ah - nice 08:22:24 <Celestar> dihedral: 4 hours from Stuttgart, over 6 from Munich 08:22:28 <dihedral> oh 08:22:28 * Celestar goes to lufthansa.com 08:22:36 <dihedral> then it's 3 from karlsruhe 08:22:37 <dihedral> :-P 08:22:44 <Celestar> 89 EUR for the flight. round-trip 08:22:47 <dihedral> Celestar: germanwings? easyjet? ba? 08:22:56 <Celestar> you won't get below 89 EUR 08:23:01 <dihedral> that's not bad at all actually 08:23:14 <dihedral> ba might.... 08:23:18 <Celestar> Train is about 130 EUR (special price) 08:23:24 <Celestar> BA? I'm not going via london :P 08:23:39 <dihedral> ba should have a direct route..... iirc 08:23:58 <dihedral> but then prob not from munich :-P 08:24:01 <Celestar> dba? That's Air Berlin meanwhile 08:24:46 <Celestar> not many LCCs in Munich. too rich a city :P 08:25:53 <Celestar> hm .. total price for the LH ticket is actually 99 EUR :P 08:26:25 <Celestar> we really need that Stuttgart 21 and the NBS Stuttgart-Ulm. BADLY. 08:26:56 <Celestar> meh. the TGV doesn't stop in MÃŒnchen-Pasing either. 08:27:11 <Celestar> that adds another 20 minutes for me. 08:28:45 <Celestar> O_o the incremental backup of the /home directory took 7 hours 08:33:42 <Patrick> nbs I read as n-bromo succinimide 08:33:45 <Patrick> Celestar: rsync? 08:33:59 <Celestar> Patrick: IBM's Tivoli Storage Manager 08:34:18 <Celestar> NBS=Neubaustrecke :P 08:35:23 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 08:43:04 <Celestar> heh. ORD is back to 7 active runways effective today \o/ 08:44:53 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 08:45:43 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: COCKBUSTER SLEEP MODE] 08:53:51 *** vraa [~vraa@h144.70.89.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 09:01:38 <Celestar> bah 09:01:46 <Celestar> German wikipedia doesn't support that number of runways :P 09:05:58 <blathijs> huh? 09:06:12 <Celestar> well, the template only supports n runways. 09:06:17 <Celestar> with n < number_I_need. 09:07:58 <blathijs> Somehow I feel you might not be referring to the long lanes of asphalt on which planes land, when you say "runway" 09:08:08 <Celestar> I do 09:08:22 <Celestar> I'm trying to add ORD's newest runway to the German wikipedia entry. 09:08:31 <Celestar> and this requires me to recode the template O_o 09:12:22 <Qball> poor you 09:14:29 <Celestar> I've no idea about this scripting system 09:14:52 *** AgentLeMan [~AgentLeMa@BAF771b.baf.pppool.de] has quit [] 09:16:29 <petern> where's the template? heh 09:19:48 <Celestar> http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vorlage:Infobox_Flughafen&action=edit 09:20:03 *** sunkan [sunkan@sunkan.bsnet.se] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 09:20:28 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 09:20:46 *** sunkan [sunkan@sunkan.bsnet.se] has joined #openttd 09:21:05 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@192.87.217.56] has joined #openttd 09:21:14 <petern> yup, that's crazy 09:21:29 <Celestar> SLIGHLY 09:22:46 <petern> it does appear to go from 1 to 7, though 09:22:50 <Celestar> yes. 09:22:58 <Celestar> but there's an 8th runway (which is decommissioned) 09:23:03 <petern> ah 09:35:51 <Patrick> ot's all in bloody german 09:37:15 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-118-73.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 09:37:56 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.173.197] has joined #openttd 09:38:51 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5DFFD.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 09:42:30 <Celestar> in vmstat, what's the "processes in uninteruptible sleep?" 09:44:51 <FauxFaux> It's dead, Dave. 09:47:53 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:48:50 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:49:45 <Celestar> it goes up to 30 09:53:19 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 09:54:18 <Patrick> it goes up to 11 09:59:06 <Brianetta> Just replaced my ageing DMUs with Costar Hydras (: 09:59:20 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 10:00:45 *** vraa [~vraa@h144.70.89.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 10:12:05 *** Zorni [zorn@e177114152.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:12:08 *** Zorn [zorn@e177238211.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:12:46 <petern> ukrs gets a bit tedious in the later years 10:14:05 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:16:03 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B813C1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:16:06 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:30:51 * SpComb is discussing OpenTTD IPv6 with a some other person on another channel 10:31:25 <SpComb> as my origional patch half a year ago kind of failed due to trying to solve too many of the problems at once 10:33:54 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.173.197] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:34:22 <Brianetta> petern: Well, one could always find and load a future trains set in addition 10:34:56 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226139078.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:38:34 *** yorick [yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:38:45 <yorick> http://openttd.pastebin.com/d4e2cf58b <-- bug in make reconfigure? 10:40:51 <Brianetta> Looks like it. 10:46:18 <petern> silly dos/windows, using the universal escape character as a directory separator... 10:47:18 <Celestar> yeah 10:47:23 * roboboy logs out and back in 10:48:34 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B813C1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:50:14 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B812BA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:50:17 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:50:24 <Celestar> heh .. the server load is a good indicator when the colleagues are heading for lunch :P 10:50:43 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 10:51:48 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:56:00 *** Korenn [~kvirc@93-125-161-18.dsl.alice.nl] has joined #openttd 11:00:35 <SpComb> does OpenTTD compile on win2k? 11:01:16 <Rubidium> if you can install a supported compiler on win2k, then yes 11:02:44 <SpComb> the wiki also lists 95/98/ME/NT 11:03:01 <SpComb> is the code tested to actually be portable enough to compile on all of those? 11:03:03 <Rubidium> compile on != compile for 11:03:21 <SpComb> well, compile for using that platform's system headers 11:03:55 <Rubidium> well, we can build binaries that work on windows 95 11:03:56 * SpComb doesn't know how portability across releases works in the windows world 11:04:18 <SpComb> is it a single .exe that runs on vista, xp, 2k, 98, 95? 11:04:20 <yorick> what's the difference between _current_company and _local_company? 11:05:05 <Rubidium> yes, however... the win9x build doesn't include unicode and the win32 build does 11:05:17 <Rubidium> making the win32 build incompatible with win9x 11:05:33 <yorick> SpComb, I think 95,98 binaries should work everywhere, and nt builds only on nt 11:05:36 <Rubidium> though the win9x binaries do work on windows NT 11:07:32 <SpComb> mostly wondering in terms of IPv6 support 11:07:53 <Rubidium> oh... then I've got absolutely no clue 11:08:12 <SpComb> we were discussing strategies for getting IPv6 support into trunk 11:10:24 <yorick> I think only xp and vista would support ipv6 11:10:50 <Brianetta> yorick: and Linux and OS X couldn't? 11:11:03 <yorick> talking about the windows flavours here 11:11:07 <SpComb> the code would just have to be very platform-dependant, and testing it would be a pain 11:11:13 <SpComb> *BSD IPv6 is also different 11:11:26 <petern> yorick, _current_company is the current company, _local_company is the local company 11:11:33 <yorick> *aha* 11:11:52 <yorick> what's the difference between a local and a current company? 11:12:07 <petern> one is the local company, and the other is the current company 11:12:47 <yorick> ... 11:13:15 <Brianetta> yorick can't tell nearby from timely... 11:13:52 <petern> ah ha 11:13:59 <petern> network scan works better with the correct ip range 11:14:18 * petern apologises to the owner of 16.0.0/24 11:14:18 <Brianetta> I like to scan 0.0.0.0/0 11:14:30 <petern> hp... heh 11:14:57 <petern> Brianetta, how long does it take? 11:15:28 <Brianetta> petern: I'll tell you when it's finished 11:15:32 <petern> :D 11:15:43 <Brianetta> Been waiting a while now 11:15:44 <Rubidium> SpComb: IPv6 is supported since Windows 2000 SP1 11:22:31 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 11:31:40 <Rubidium> I can't find anything about how to check whether IPv6 is available or not on Windows 11:31:49 <Rubidium> and leave alone whether it's actually usable 11:33:05 <fjb> IPv6 is availlable on Windows and usable, at least on XP and later. 11:33:51 <Rubidium> usable meaning that you don't only have an IPv6 address, but that you can actually create an IPv6 connection outside of the computer itself 11:34:53 <SpComb> XP doesn't do dual-stack very well 11:35:09 <SpComb> you'd need two sockets (AF_INET+AF_INET6) to run a dual-stack server 11:35:23 <Brianetta> Simplest to assume it's unavailable unless enabled by a human 11:35:50 <SpComb> under linux (and vista?) you can receieve IPv4-mapped connections on IPv6 sockets listening on :: 11:37:16 * roboboy logs out and back in 11:38:38 <SpComb> in an ideal world, OpenTTD would support listening on multiple sockets, being able to connect to one of multiple addresses for a single server, and capable of advertising multiple addresses for a single server in the masterserver 11:39:02 <SpComb> but implementing all of that is too big of a patch to accept into trunk in one go 11:39:19 *** StarLionIsaac [~chatzilla@user-5445016b.lns3-c11.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:39:22 <SpComb> need to define some kind of minimal level of IPv6 support and try and get that working properly 11:39:35 <Rubidium> the masterserver is going to be a problem too 11:39:51 <SpComb> yes, the list of servers also grows 11:40:18 <Rubidium> not that, but rather the testing whether a server is online 11:40:35 <SpComb> well, it would need to test each address induvidually 11:40:47 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 11:40:49 <Rubidium> yes... and testing IPv6 is *the* problem 11:41:18 <SpComb> my patch had the servers send separate IPv4 and IPv6 advertisement packets, and the masterserver updater then tested both, iirc 11:41:34 <Rubidium> getting an IPv6 address is ridiculously expensive 11:41:50 <SpComb> you mean getting IPv6 connectivity for the masterserver? 11:41:59 <Rubidium> yes 11:42:16 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B812BA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:42:17 <SpComb> well, it just depends on where you go 11:42:21 *** snorre [~snorre@cF6FC00C3.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:42:30 <SpComb> and you can get IPv4 tunnels for free, and they work plenty well enough 11:43:26 <SpComb> saying "an IPv6 address is ridiculously expensive" isn't really correct, some providers will give you IPv6 connectvity, others won't 11:43:26 <Rubidium> does that work the reverse way too? That is connecting to an IPv6 address behind a tunnel 11:43:31 <SpComb> paying extra for it is weird 11:43:44 <SpComb> what do you mean? 11:44:00 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80FEA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:44:03 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 11:44:13 <Brianetta> NAT on domestic routers killed IPv6 11:44:15 <Rubidium> we would need to pay to get an IPv6 address (and quite a lot) 11:44:38 <SpComb> do you have an URL or something for that? 11:44:41 <Brianetta> Rubidium: Does your network have an IPv6 route? 11:45:16 <Brianetta> Early adopters tend to subsidise the infrastructure for the rest of us 11:45:49 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:46:31 <SpComb> I've never heard of an induvidual customer paying $$$ for an IPv6 address 11:46:48 <SpComb> more a question of a network deploying IPv6, and then all hosts on that network getting it 11:47:02 <SpComb> it would be ridiculous to demand that a single customer pays for provisioning IPv6 to the entire network 11:47:13 <Brianetta> SpComb: Just a share 11:47:43 <SpComb> Rubidium: again, what's your provider, and do you have some kind of link or other source for that expensive-IPv6 statement? 11:47:47 <Brianetta> ISP buys new kit, and only increases charges for customers who plan to use it. 11:48:17 <Rubidium> SpComb: the provider is on all openttd pages 11:48:58 <Rubidium> and I'm trying to get you a link for the pricing as I don't intend to show you the contract 11:49:07 *** davis- [~suckyours@p5B28FDE1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:51:25 <SpComb> http://www.switch.ch/network/ipv6/bgp/24h_history/NL-LEASEWEB-20040408.html <-- they even have their own /32 11:52:29 <SpComb> although it doesn't seem to be very good 11:53:38 <SpComb> http://www.nlnog.net/pipermail/nlnog/2004-October/001447.html <-- can't read dutch 11:53:51 <SpComb> but it's some leaseweb guy talking about IPv6 11:54:05 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 11:54:30 *** snorre [~snorre@cF6FC00C3.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 11:54:55 * davis- hi 11:55:04 <Brianetta> Rubidium: Awww )-: We paid for that contract 11:56:29 <Rubidium> well, it's the best we could find and we didn't need IPv6 11:56:59 <Rubidium> SpComb: but they aren't talking about the costs... 11:59:06 <SpComb> my main point was that leaseweb already has full IPv6 connectivity 11:59:36 <SpComb> so it seems odd that they would charge large amounts for actually using it 12:00:27 <Rubidium> well, they do :( 12:01:11 <SpComb> hence I'd be interested to know how they express that 12:01:34 <SpComb> weird, seems like they don't have reverse-DNS delegated for their /32 prefix 12:01:47 <Rubidium> Daarnaast kunnen wij je IPv6 aanbieden voor EUR 25,00/maand. Je krijgt 12:01:49 <Rubidium> een /64 en een /48. 12:02:09 <SpComb> hmmk 12:02:47 <SpComb> I doubt very many people are going to pay some commercial colo provider such a significant sum per month for IPv6 connectvity >_< 12:02:55 <SpComb> I wonder what they were thinking 12:03:07 <petern> covering costs, probably 12:03:24 <SpComb> people either chose a colo with native IPV6 included in the price, or they don't care enough about it to pay 25â¬/m extra as an afterthought 12:03:27 <petern> routers that support ipv6 are generally very expensive 12:03:28 *** StarLionIsaac [~chatzilla@user-5445016b.lns3-c11.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]] 12:03:35 <petern> (or shit and slow) 12:04:21 <SpComb> if they charge 25â¬/m for induvidual dedicated servers, I'm doubt very many customers will be interested 12:04:39 <petern> i can't upgrade to ipv6 because we can't justify the cost 12:05:02 <Brianetta> I pay nearly £50 a month for colocation )-: 12:05:39 <petern> Brianetta, but not â¬25/m extra for ipv6... 12:10:13 <SpComb> it's a kind of self-fufilling prophecy, nobody wants IPv6 -> charge induvidual customers 25â¬/m -> nobody wants IPv6 12:10:17 <SpComb> IPv6 is full of those :( 12:10:37 <petern> heh 12:11:06 <petern> i'd guess it would cost us at least £15,000 to replace non-ipv6 capable kit 12:11:50 <petern> i'll work on it slowly 12:12:20 <SpComb> well, I gather IPv6 support on modern infrastructure equipment is pretty good 12:12:30 <petern> yes, but it's not cheap 12:12:38 <fjb> In about 3 years IPv4 space will be exhausted. 12:12:39 <Brianetta> Domestic kit doesn't often support it 12:12:49 <SpComb> is that non-ipv6 capable kit too old or too cheap? 12:12:51 <Brianetta> fjb: Wishful thinking 12:12:58 <Brianetta> SpComb: Both. 12:13:06 <Brianetta> New cheap stuff or old expensive stuff. 12:13:10 <Brianetta> I have examples of both. 12:13:16 <SpComb> Brianetta: well, in domestic kit it's a question of software, my Buffalo WRT-G54S cost 40⬠and supports IPv6 just fine 12:13:20 <SpComb> after I installed OpenWRT on it 12:13:29 <Brianetta> Yeah, OpenWRT does it 12:13:41 <SpComb> I guess hardware routing support for IPv6 packets is more expensive, though 12:13:47 <Brianetta> but then, it's a geek-driven project 12:13:59 <petern> writing off £30,000 of kit just because it doesn't support ipv6 is not easy 12:14:11 <petern> of course, it's not worth that now, heh 12:14:27 <SpComb> but I was under the impression that if you buy a new router today, you'll get IPv6 support "for free" 12:14:31 <welshdragon> :o Brianetta used the G word... 12:15:04 <SpComb> although I've also heard how juniper charges extra license costs for IPv6 support... stupid USA government IPv6 thing... 12:15:43 <petern> that's easy to say when you don't look at price lists :) 12:16:16 <SpComb> so the reasoning that I understand is that no, you don't replace 30k⬠worth of equipment just to add IPv6 support, but no, you don't spend 30k⬠on new equipment if it doesn't support IPv6 12:16:27 <petern> not now, no 12:18:52 <SpComb> hmm... I also recall someone discussing replicating the OpenTTD masterserver at some point a long time ago (several years ago) 12:18:57 <SpComb> i.e. having multiple masterservers 12:20:06 <petern> i do have some... er... "obtained" IOS software upgrades that feature ipv6 support 12:20:37 <petern> just need to upgrade flash and memory of routers, then 12:20:47 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-153-026.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:22:05 <Brianetta> If Bill Gates put all of his money under his mattress, and then fell out of bed, it would take him 18 minutes to hit the floor. If the floor was receding at the standard rate of interest, he'd never hit it. 12:23:39 <Gekz> lolo 12:23:57 <Brianetta> He has so much money it defies gravity. 12:24:40 <petern> surely that depends on the denominations used... 12:26:22 <petern> i still haven't found anyone who'll actually sell me legal ios upgrades... 12:26:48 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:27:12 <Gekz> petern: I love "obtaining" ios upgrades 12:27:15 <Gekz> they're hard to come by nowadays 12:27:27 <Gekz> my 834W said it supported ADSL2 on the box 12:27:31 <Gekz> yeah, not with the version of IOS it had 12:27:32 <Gekz> -.- 12:27:37 *** questionmark [yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:28:26 <petern> russian ftp sites generally have them 12:28:31 <petern> if you trust those... 12:28:43 <Gekz> which i do not. 12:29:18 *** yorick is now known as Guest4196 12:29:18 *** questionmark is now known as yorick 12:30:01 *** Guest4196 [yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:32:19 *** michi_cc [69f51b078d@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:35:24 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host81-156-74-176.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:37:04 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host81-156-74-176.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:46:54 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 12:52:55 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80FEA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:54:10 *** StarLionIsaac [~chatzilla@user-5445016b.lns3-c11.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:54:43 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80BC5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:54:46 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 12:55:48 *** StarLionIsaac [~chatzilla@user-5445016b.lns3-c11.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [] 13:04:46 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggs-work 13:06:11 *** michi_cc [dec97243f6@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 13:06:12 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 13:06:54 *** yorick [yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:07:04 *** yorick [yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:07:07 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-126-122.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:12:40 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-118-73.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 13:12:47 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-153-026.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:13:17 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 13:18:07 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.187.49.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #openttd 13:20:27 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-118-73.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 13:24:08 *** gynter [~gynter@78-28-76-251.cdma.dyn.kou.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:33:17 *** gynter [~gynter@77-233-65-72.cdma.dyn.kou.ee] has joined #openttd 13:34:53 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80BC5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:37:00 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80801.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:37:02 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 13:37:08 <Gekz> connection spam 13:37:25 <yorick> connection spam spam 13:38:41 <davis-> : connection spam spam spam 13:39:04 <yorick> connection spam spam spam spam 13:39:49 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:39:58 <yorick> more connection spam 13:40:29 * fjb takes all the spam and delivers it to a far away town gaining a lot of money. 13:42:49 <SpComb> the delivery value of spam is negative 13:43:13 <Brianetta> Nah 13:43:18 *** Mark17 [~mark@vnc.tt.streamservice.nl] has joined #openttd 13:43:25 <Brianetta> It's zero return, except for one in 12 million 13:43:31 <Brianetta> which is the pay-off (: 13:44:15 <Mark17> hello, is somewhere the following file available: the original megarail level 13:44:15 <Mark17> ? 13:44:36 <dihedral> ? 13:44:37 <SpComb> your stations' spam rating goes up with time, and down when you deliver it 13:44:55 <dihedral> Mark17: megarail level? 13:45:08 <SpComb> but mail cars carry both normal mail and spam 13:45:21 <SpComb> so if someone builds a spam factory next to your station, you lose 13:47:39 <Ammler> I did not found the properity for disallow forest below snowline, might that be, it isn't a GRF setting? 13:49:14 <Rubidium> Ammler: see it as the "can build industry here?"-callback 13:50:05 <Mark17> dihedral: it was a level in the original ttd for as far as i know and also it mentioned multiple times on the ttforum. it is something like the scotland 1956 level 13:50:26 <Mark17> a scenario, but with all ready started players 13:50:41 <Mark17> it makes live a litle bit more difficult ;) 13:50:49 <dihedral> hmmm... 13:50:53 <dihedral> on the cd 13:50:55 <Ammler> Rubidium: so I would need to "ignore" that CB 13:51:34 <dihedral> and Mark17: there are no levels :-D there are scenarios and save games 13:53:42 <Mark17> dihedral: well do you have that save game or scenario? 13:54:03 <Rubidium> prop 08 copies all settings except the "callback", so I guess you need to use that 13:54:21 <dihedral> Mark17: nope 13:54:25 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:54:25 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:54:25 <dihedral> not as far as i know 13:54:33 <Ammler> Rubidium: try that, thanks. 13:54:36 <dihedral> like i said - you might find it on the cd 13:56:59 <Mark17> well i dont have the original cd anymore 13:57:07 <Mark17> i lost it somewhere 14:02:47 <dihedral> hint: google ;-) 14:07:45 <Mark17> i am just trying to find it with google 14:08:32 <dihedral> check out owenrudge.com -> transport tycoon -> downloads 14:11:45 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*dih@*.vserver.de] by petern 14:11:45 *** dihedral was kicked from #openttd by petern [you know the rules] 14:16:16 <Gekz> petern: no wai 14:18:07 <yorick> ya, you can't even link to orudges download section 14:18:18 <tokai> shouldn't orudge kicked instead? :) 14:20:27 <tokai> (what I mean is you can't expect the users 'follow the rules' when the/a developer(s) don't follow them themself) 14:21:42 <Mark17> thnx for the help 14:21:44 <Mark17> found it 14:22:06 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:22:43 *** Mortal is now known as Guest4209 14:22:43 *** mortal` is now known as mortal 14:25:15 <Brianetta> That is possibly one of the most blatant examples of double standards in any online community. 14:26:58 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:27:24 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*dih@*.vserver.de] by petern 14:27:25 *** dihedral [~dih@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 14:28:29 <Gekz> the best kind. 14:29:30 *** Guest4209 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:30:28 <dihedral> petern: you mind giving me a wee bit more info? 14:31:03 <Rubidium> Brianetta: can you forbid someone in e.g. China to host child porn? But the English can forbid you downloading that. 14:31:27 <Rubidium> or instead of downloading it linking to it 14:32:50 <dihedral> Rubidium: however, posting a valid domain name, and pointing out a menu? 14:33:12 <dihedral> i did not link to a file, i did not provide a full url 14:33:33 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:35:53 <dihedral> you prefer me providing a link to google result page? 14:36:07 * dihedral hates unspoken rules 14:39:17 <tokai> Rubidium: but in this case the chinese child porn hoster has english citizenship and even works for the English state... and one would expect that he has to satisfy the English law then (speaking in the metaphor of your example) :) 14:43:12 <Rubidium> it still falls outside of "our" control 14:43:57 <yorick> I wonder... 14:48:24 <tokai> Rubidium: not really. in case it gets found out by the press such person quickly would get sacked from its job for the English state:) Anyway... I really don't care if orudge hosts the files or not (when "I couldn't read my old TTD floppy disks anymore" I got the files from his site too ;) But we can't kick out people just indirectly refering the OpenTTD support site of a OpenTTD developer who is op on the #openttd channel for this reason. 14:48:24 <tokai> This just doesn't feel right... you should use same standards for your developers as you use for your users at least. Either turn a blind eye when such questions happen or ask orudge to clean his homepage from illegal material. 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But all are trains. 16:08:25 <planetmaker> err... non-electric depot. 16:08:46 <yorick> hm, hadn't thought about that 16:09:20 <planetmaker> always good to have external memory storage, eh? ;) 16:10:19 <yorick> huh, it doesn't even use it anymore? 16:10:56 <yorick> nvm 16:17:43 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:19:40 <yorick> planetmaker, checked again, not a good explanation 16:20:09 <yorick> VehicleType: VEH_TRAIN, VEH_ROAD, VEH_SHIP, VEH_AIRCRAFT 16:20:24 <yorick> TransportType: TRANSPORT_RAIL, TRANSPORT_ROAD, TRANSPORT_WATER, TRANSPORT_AIR 16:22:56 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-18.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 16:27:20 <planetmaker> :P 16:27:39 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.173.197] has joined #openttd 16:29:36 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:32:13 <planetmaker> seemed like a logical explanation :) 16:33:23 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]] 16:41:01 *** questionmark [yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:41:07 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-126-122.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:44:36 *** yorick is now known as Guest4228 16:44:37 *** questionmark is now known as yorick 16:45:13 <Fantasya> 3 years, 1 month, 10 days, and some hours left to end of the world :) 16:46:12 <Aali> which end of the world are you refering to? 16:46:21 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet533.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:46:22 <yorick> the world ends in 2011? 16:47:49 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: frosch * r14599 /trunk/src/vehicle_gui.cpp: -Fix (r14598)[FS#2417]: Show again group-membership in the vehicle-lists. (Based on patch by PhilSophus) 16:48:10 *** Guest4228 [yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:48:25 <frosch123> silly me, wrong revision :/ 16:48:37 <frosch123> r14306 of course 16:51:17 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-18.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:52:50 <SmatZ> yorick: Mayan calendar ends on 31. 12. 2011 16:53:09 <SmatZ> I htink 16:53:20 <SmatZ> The end of the Mayan calendar falls on December 21, 2012 16:53:21 <SmatZ> hmm no 16:54:34 <frosch123> how about sheduling ottd 1.0 for the 22nd ? 16:54:46 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:55:00 <SmatZ> hehe 16:55:12 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:55:13 <SpComb> how many calendars have ended so far? 16:58:12 <DASPRiD> the maya calendar ends in 4 years 16:58:25 <frosch123> SpComb: http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=calender+end 16:58:39 <frosch123> my new favorite website by the way ^^ 17:00:43 <frosch123> "calendar" is even better :/ 17:01:08 <Belugas> mayans were fans of the number 4. Due to that infactuation, their maths made it so that the fourth era of their history had to stop one day, and that day is what most idiots think is the endo the world 17:01:28 <Belugas> and since there was no 5th era well... 17:01:47 <yorick> and they're dead now, so they can't add one :p 17:01:59 <Fantasya> WW - 3 will destroy 3/4 world 17:02:04 <Fantasya> all europe will die 17:02:08 <Fantasya> from nuclears 17:02:40 <SmatZ> frosch123: hahaha nice site 17:03:40 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-118-73.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 17:03:42 <frosch123> saw it on ehrensenf, but that might not mean anything to you :) 17:04:22 <SmatZ> :) 17:05:14 <Fantasya> nice site lol :D 17:22:50 <SpComb> frosch123: *calendar 17:36:26 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:39:28 *** Mortal is now known as Guest4234 17:39:29 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:46:45 *** Guest4234 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:00:19 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g226139078.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:00:19 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226139078.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:00:19 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 18:12:47 *** Yeggs-work is now known as Yeggstry 18:28:51 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host121-194-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:28:59 <Wolf01> hello 18:32:04 <Jango> sup 18:33:10 <Belugas> Wolf01 hello 18:43:39 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: translators * r14600 /trunk/src/lang/ (6 files): (log message trimmed) 18:43:39 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2008-11-20 18:44:05 18:43:39 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: afrikaans - 34 fixed by nubllett (34) 18:43:39 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: galician - 4 fixed by Condex (4) 18:43:39 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: hungarian - 7 fixed, 49 changed by oklmernok (17), IPG (39) 18:43:39 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: italian - 2 fixed by lorenzodv (2) 18:43:39 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: polish - 45 fixed by kruczek1 (45) 18:57:13 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:57:13 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:57:16 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 19:04:35 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.212.114.230.129.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #openttd 19:15:40 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:28:39 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 19:34:17 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 19:42:26 *** AgentLeMan [~AgentLeMa@BAF28f5.baf.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 19:57:49 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-118-73.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 20:03:52 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 20:19:06 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:42:59 *** rortom [~rortom_@5ac3db29.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 20:48:31 *** gynter [~gynter@77-233-65-72.cdma.dyn.kou.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:49:26 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:53:18 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:54:34 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226139078.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:54:41 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.212.114.230.129.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:56:29 <yorick> what does money_fraction do? 20:56:51 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:57:47 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:58:01 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-159-71.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:00:13 *** mortal is now known as Guest4260 21:00:14 *** mortal` is now known as mortal 21:03:30 <Brianetta> r14600 (: 21:04:41 *** Guest4260 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:10:11 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:10:23 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 21:15:34 <fjb> Money fraction is what always happens in my purse. 21:21:24 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc83d.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:23:09 <Fantasya> :D 21:23:55 *** yorick [yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 21:29:52 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:32:30 *** fonso [~fonso@e178073195.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 21:32:52 *** fonso [~fonso@e178073195.adsl.alicedsl.de] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org] 21:34:16 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:34:16 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 21:35:43 <AgentLeMan> yorick, i think, it has to do with rounding up or down money. after searching for a half hour, im still not sure 21:35:53 <planetmaker> he's gone... 21:36:37 <AgentLeMan> ah... dang, either oen has all thsoe join and quitmessages in the chat, or misses poeple 21:39:16 <planetmaker> there's a nick list, too. Autocompletion also doesn't work for nonexisting nicks :) 21:39:55 <AgentLeMan> hm, yes... shold have thought about that 21:40:15 <AgentLeMan> +i 21:48:46 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 21:54:54 *** Fantasya [~a@78.59.192.248] has quit [] 21:55:50 *** vpol [~vpol@91.192.189.170] has joined #openttd 21:56:57 <vpol> anybody knows if "Buy 25% shares" option is working? 22:01:51 *** rortom [~rortom_@5ac3db29.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:02:16 *** rortom [~rortom_@5ac3db29.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 22:05:11 <Wolf01> 'night 22:05:19 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host121-194-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:08:52 <Eddi|zuHause> certainly somebody knows if the option is working 22:10:07 <AgentLeMan> °grins° 22:10:19 <Eddi|zuHause> buying shares may be greyed out, if the company is younger than 5 years 22:10:31 <Eddi|zuHause> or, if the option to allow shares is disabled in the setting 22:10:31 <fjb> You never know if software is working, at least as expected... 22:10:35 <Eddi|zuHause> s 22:11:28 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, you can ensure that software is working, by running a fully exhaustive test over all possible inputs 22:11:28 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:11:41 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:12:27 <vpol> Eddi|zuHause: my company is over 100 years, and i can't find where to enable/disable this option 22:12:33 <Eddi|zuHause> the usual problem at this point, though, is that the input set is typically infinite ;) 22:13:00 <Eddi|zuHause> vpol: their company, not yours 22:13:01 <vpol> fjb: it depends on what you are expecting from the program. 22:13:05 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@82.139.240.143] has joined #openttd 22:13:05 *** mode/#openttd [+o Celestar] by ChanServ 22:13:17 <vpol> Eddi|zuHause: their is over 100 too. 22:13:53 <AgentLeMan> vpol °grins° i expect nothing fomr windows...maybe thats why it doesnt "funtion" so i also "get" nothing ;o) 22:13:56 <Eddi|zuHause> assuming you run 0.6.3, it should be in the "Patch Settings" dialog, under the "Economy" tab 22:15:14 <Eddi|zuHause> in more recent (testing/nightly) versions, that should be renamed to "Advanced Settings" 22:16:59 <vpol> heh. i enabled it and bought 100% of computer's company in 5 seconds. 22:17:10 <vpol> it isn't so interesting as i expected. 22:17:24 <vpol> hmm... i'm really talking about expectation? 22:18:21 <AgentLeMan> vpol, it isnt :o) especially, if you buy a company with 100 trains and your own goes down the drain, becuase you have basically to rework all their tracks 22:18:35 <Eddi|zuHause> it is definitely not to be expected that a computer player actually lasted for 100 years :p 22:19:03 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause: It's called evolution. 22:19:14 <AgentLeMan> maybe he used a diff which includes lifeprolonging cryogenetics on the AI? 22:19:16 <Prof_Frink> The vast majority of AIs are useless and sie out 22:19:24 <vpol> i also found my "end game" option was disabled. 22:19:29 <Prof_Frink> Those that strike lucky survive 22:20:03 <Eddi|zuHause> single player games always "end" in 2050, but you can play on 22:20:37 <vpol> Eddi|zuHause: no it doesn't. 22:20:52 <vpol> Eddi|zuHause: i started in 2020 and now is 2170 22:21:03 <Eddi|zuHause> 2050 is when the highscore gets calculated 22:21:11 <vpol> no even message about "you should already die man!" 22:21:17 <Eddi|zuHause> the game can run to year 5000000 or so 22:21:36 <Prof_Frink> Mmm, inflation 22:21:42 <planetmaker> switch it off 22:21:54 *** mode/#openttd [+v Celestar] by ChanServ 22:21:54 *** mode/#openttd [+v Belugas] by ChanServ 22:21:54 *** mode/#openttd [+v Rubidium] by ChanServ 22:21:54 *** mode/#openttd [+v DorpsGek] by ChanServ 22:21:54 *** mode/#openttd [+v orudge] by ChanServ 22:21:55 <Prof_Frink> That's no fun 22:21:57 *** mode/#openttd [+v petern] by ChanServ 22:22:19 <Prof_Frink> I had a ttdpatch game in 2400 or so with inflation on 22:22:26 <Prof_Frink> It was... interesting. 22:22:54 <Eddi|zuHause> inflation stops at some point in openttd 22:23:13 <vpol> Prof_Frink: playing with house mortgage is more interesting. 22:23:17 <Prof_Frink> Intraurban bus services were suffering from profit overflow. 22:24:26 <planetmaker> mortgage is repaid after 5 ... 15 years... 22:25:08 <vpol> really? hm. ok. 22:25:56 <planetmaker> at least it's easy to do in OpenTTD - but depends a bit on settings. 22:27:56 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggzzz 22:29:38 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@82.139.240.143] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:30:31 <Eddi|zuHause> i had profit overflow in TT once 22:31:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i solved it by building tunnels under the entire map, whose costs also overflowed 22:31:21 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause: No, not annual profit overflow. 22:31:30 <Prof_Frink> *each journey* was overflowing 22:31:45 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i understand what you mean ;) 22:50:08 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:50:10 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:50:59 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.173.197] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:00:08 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:02:49 *** vpol [~vpol@91.192.189.170] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:03:46 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 23:04:00 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:05:44 *** Mark [~M4rk@5ED06979.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:06:03 *** rortom [~rortom_@5ac3db29.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:07:35 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065069.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:11:57 *** Antdovu [~Otinn@vpn2-184.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:15:27 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-118-73.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:31:32 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Enohp eht no S'enilorac, Regor... 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